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I want to discuss you guys about the recent happening that takes in our place.

Pandemic really had been a problem that frustrates all especially to the worker that has a scheme of no work no pay policy. The lock down had made of some establishment to close temporarily except for those that offer essential products. This means that there are many employee now are getting hungry due to no work no pay policy and they all depend on the government financial support. It made worst when rumors says that the financial support had not reach to them or just being kept by the local officials for their own interest.

As the government trying to improve the economy here in our place, It decided to lift the lock down and impose more relaxed quarantine protocols. This now allow other establishment to open. Yes, many are happy about it and that they can go back to work to earn money to buy for the basic needs expenses and that even includes some medications and maintenance for some health conditions.

As seen in the public areas the number of crowd has been arising especially during rush hour like in the public market, malls and other crowded areas. The transportation are now slowly going back to normal just with those materials and other health protocols mandated by the government in the transportation to prevent the spread of the covid19. So, in the process there are many problems that has been observed and hopefully will be notice to imposed the rules and regulations to stop or minimize the spread of covid19 virus.

So far this has been a problem I observe.

First Public Land Transportation problem
* The use of fiat currency to pay the public transportation like coins which is metal and high rate of virus to stay longer in that objects. Paper money also could be a medium of transmission for covid19.
* The distance of provided seats between the commuters does not meet the observance of social distancing protocol.
* Covid19 is airborne and some buses especially the aircon bus had no proper ventilation and air flows just go round and round inside the buses.
* Contact tracing sheets were not strictly observed and done
* Some commuters not wearing face mask properly.

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Second, Small Businesses are operating even without securing permits.
* Automated Tubig Machine (ATM) - Coin operated water dispenser are visible everywhere and are operating and people tend to use it due to its cheaper price compared to bottled water.
* Some resorts are also open despite of no securing permit from agencies concern regarding in the implementation of the minimum health standard protocols.
* Fitness gymnasium are also open and more easily for virus to transmit due to the fact that the equipment are there and that anyone could use it.
* Bars are discreetly open usually those establishment that are far from the reach of the concern authorities even if they know that it is not allowed for them.
* Buwangan, or cock fighting are now being endorse by the authority to open. Probably the officials sitting in the position heading the authority were likely missed visiting cockpit or arena.

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Third, The Public Market
* the capacity of public market does not compensate the number of vendors plus the people that went to market especially rush hours. Social distancing is not really observe.
* Still fiat currency is being use as a medium of exchange and this is not really ideal for now with pandemic.
* Vendors not properly wearing face mask and face mask are not prescribe usually are just made a piece of cloth.
* Disinfection does not observe in the market at the end of the day.

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Fourth, Sex social workers still rampant and was not contained.
After a long working days usually we had to find our stress reliever and this open the doors for the sex worker to offer their service for pleasure and fun.
* Gays, Female, Male are discreetly offering their service and still operate through online transaction then meet up for deal to take place.  
* Spa and massage with extra service offer they tend to attempt in making you go for sex and eventually they will ask for it in return to increase the pay for the extra service.
* Beerhouse usually has GRO but they too are sex workers. Some of them are teens or are minors.
 
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Fifth, Online businesses had been also a way through transmission of Covid19.
* Barter community had been violating the government mandate especially during the lock down or quarantine days.
* Online shoppe become rampant and are also violating the rules of community quarantine.

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Understanding the importance of observing the minimum health requirement protocol is very important. Now that the community quarantine are at ease we are now heading to open up the economy. This can be a trial and error from the leaders that are showing. If not then they have good reason why they slowly open the economy back. I am not against this move but at least they will make sure that community needs to follow the protocol and will imposed sanctions to those who will not going to follow the mandate of the government. So?

The question is that are we really going to improve the economy?

Or make covid19 transmission worst of their decision?

Edit: Pics for attention only CTTO
Reference: Google pictures

We can slowly come back the economy but how long it takes to be back to normal , no one can answer you directly.

We need to be much more discipline this time if we don't want another lockdown happen in our city. we need to accept that covid is already there and we need to live with it to continue are living and to feed our families. The government is also have a problem with money they can't help poor anymore since they already use a lot of money having that long lockdown .

For the questions if it will be worsen it depend on the people you need to protect your self to be able to protect  your family  while working .you need to always follow the protocol if you don't want to be sick.

It is more like a gamble if I would be asked, in the side of the government from doing so. They would choose to allow activities that fuel the economy because according to them, they do not have the power to still cover the debt without giving permission to the businesses to operate. In my point of view, there is a mismanage with regards to the taxes in some countries which makes them incapable of coping up with such pandemic. Why? Other countries do manage to do so. Is it because those countries are bigger? Well, I would say no. I do live in the same country by the way. Philippines has the highest income tax in South East Asia and that is enough to validate this claim. Corruption is worse in our country.

Going back, to answer the question, yes it would make the pandemic worse. People are havibg no discipline because they are more concerned with this thing called "freedom" not knowing how responsibilities work.

There is a chance that the condition will be worst if that's the case. Just think of those countries who experienced a 'secon wave" of this pandemic by doing so. Your country might have no other choice but to do so. Not all countries can cover the loss of not allowing operations of companies and other establishments due to this pandemic, for a long period of time. Think of an individual having a savings. Once his source of income is gone, his savings will eventually be used in order to cover his "needs" and once his savings get close to its very last penny, ofcourse he again needs a source of income. To put this analogy in this case, the source of income is the continuation of the operation of the economy. That is philippines i guess, which we all know is not a big country. They might have lost of their grasp to how will they cope up with their debt which saddens me.

Depend in which country and how the people of those country will go towards the policy and protocol each cities applied.
Like in my country there are some cities that has hard headed people so the pandemic continues to grow in their places.
while in the city in which i am living the cases of covid is continuously dropping and we are looking for being a covid free next year after the release of the anti virus.

Let us remember that this is not about the government or the people but it is the combination of them both to successfully fight and beat this COVID19 .

Country which slowly opening back their economy will prone to get a second wave of virus infection, but since we already suffer this for such a long time for sure the health official gather a experience on what to do to make a person safety and what are the things needed to prepare to have a healthy environment.

Honestly we shouldn't be afraid about this disease and if we live on our fear for sure we will not get snything and might we will starve if another lockdown will be implemented.

Are they hard headed when they know they and their family is finding living difficult in the pandemic period or they want to survive in this period, many countries put covid-19 lockdown on citizen when they have no plans for how they would sustain the period, what you would get is disobedience.

To fight covid-19 is a collective effort but as it is government are failing the people and many are ready to risk corona virus for their daily living.

Opening the economy of a country is always the best choice to let the country's people lives and sustain all necessary things they need amid the pandemic especially to those third world countries. But it should be with strong and strict protocols to follow. Countries with undeciplined people are always the worst thing a head of state could handle with the situation like this since all actions should start from the government to its people to cooperate. Now if these people always are revolutionary state/mode then a high numbers of case is always the headline news.

We can't avoid holding on to things in public places when we go outside or even holding cash and that's already a risk, but I think this part is already for us to be cautious and to remember to always disinfect or wash our hands. We can't stop everyone from working just because there is a pandemic, it's not only for the economy but for each individual.

Governments slowly opening the economy are already a risk because it's something that we didn't expect, but with proper guidance or handling of the government, I think it can help to lessen the number of cases because other countries were able to do it. It's just sad that our country isn't that competent with this issue that opening the economy gives us more worry about our health.

This has been already discussed since we have the pandemic kicked it. And this really a challenge that all of us are not ready for this kind of pandemic.
We deeply understand that we had the keep ourselves safe against the virus. But if we are not able to feed ourselves by protecting it, how would we do the only thing expected to us?

To survive, the government did everything to protect the citizens in each country's affected. However, on the other hand, the economy is going down.
The decision they made was very crucial but for now, it is the wisest. So now, the new normal adoption should be a part of global economic recovery, something just like a bandage of the wound that must be there in order to heal while the vaccine wasn't yet found.

Yes we are, we need to survive and we need to improve and recover our economy, no matter there is a covid19 possible transmission our economy should continue in generating revenue for the survival of economic growth and the human race against this virus.

those situations are unavoidable and it doesnt mean that you need to lock yourself in your home to avoid encountering those situations. as the govt is slowly opening the economy, expect that those situations will happen. now, it is up to the individual how he will follow safety protocols and avoid crowded places. sometimes there are really hard headed persons that will go to crowded places even if they have no business to transact with. so i call that stupidity!

you can even read article giving tips when youre in crowded places.

https://www.internationalsos.com/insights/top-tips-when-in-crowded-places
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It will sure to boost the economy back but will also lead to more cases of Covid. In this new normal covid will jbe present and people needs to do be very careful and as much as possible limit their self to go outside since the government will now care more in economy due to no more budget to sustain ther peoples living especially in 3rd world countries, those who have low immune system and are not doing any social distancing or ways to protect themselves will be very much affected by these. This will be a self assessment better stay at home only if there is no essential things to do outside. Take care of yourself is hard to detect where you will get the virus now that enforcers will not be strict now regarding covid.

The problem with the current set up is that the enforcement behind the protocol in order to prevent the virus from spreading is very weak or the enforcement is selective on who is violating the protocol. The injustice in the system is what makes the system faulty, if there is no prejudice in enforcement then the system will surely work. Even if all in favors in the system enforcement, the factor that humans unconsciously will interact physically towards one another will result in increase in infected regardless of how strict the enforcement is. Not to mention the crowding when in a public transport and public places which should be a no-brainer for a government that listens to health and scientific experts.

that sabong and sex stuff are illegal all the time and they are being raded by the polic even before that theres no pandemic or covid but now that we are now in this situation , those activities are now even more illegal . its not just they are bad but they also make the spread of the virus and other diseases more easy.  transportation , public market and online shopping were restricted before when the pandemic is in its early phases but now that most country are now returning to normal , its okay to open these three because these were useful and can help boost the recovery of a country .

It has definitely made the pandemic situation worse. Transmission is more likely increasing with people going out into the streets than with them staying at home. But I guess there must be much worse scenarios than just the increase of infection. The economy has to recover somehow. It might cause bigger problems if the strict protocols will go on indefinitely. So there are things to be taken care of than just curbing transmission.

Somehow, the government will have to strike a balance between taking care of the health of its people at the same time keeping the economy afloat. Both are of great importance.

Our government is doing their best to balance everything and we also have to think the effect if there's a longer quarantine which can make the situation worst plus the effect of this pandemic.

Our life is slowly getting back to the normal, but we as an individual should also do our part to protect our health and help the government to fight this pandemic. We can't afford the whole year of quarantine and many businesses will suffer if they are still not operating. I'm confident that our government already knows what to do this time, and hopefully not to hear any pandemic resurgence again.

If you check the other countries, they have already started operating normally and what differs them is that the transmission is continuing, and active cases still didn't go down within the past months. From your posts, it seems like it's in the Philippines.

Below is a graph from August 19 to October 18. (As of this posting)

https://i.imgur.com/pbuMP6O.png

I chose August 19 because we will base it on when the government made the Metro Manila into the GCQ. The minimum is 1362 and the maximum of 6167 daily new cases, ignoring the part where there is 0 data on the graph, probably no data was sent European CDC or late sending of data. That's why the next point is higher compared to the previous point.

It still plays in the range of 1841 ~ 4789 (I averaged 5 points of highs and lows)

There is still no significant movement with the country's current situation, but I think the stability is quite calming compared to the previous months. I don't know how the health system feels about this range, but it is still high IMO compared to other countries.

I hope no one gets more infected with this and follows all the health protocols that are needed. Don't go outside if it's still non-essential for you. For the workers as well, make sure that they are following the safety protocols of the company. It's going to be critical if there would be another wave of transmission, and the country could not survive another wave of that IMO.

I'm not an economist, but for someone who is in dire need to work and earn money to do that again, it is life-changing for them. For me, the economy is the people, and it's improving when they could earn to live again.

the possibility is that the government is no longer able to withstand the economic burden if it continues to lockdown poeple activities. trying to keep pace with the economic downturn by giving less leeway to communities to continue their activities. however, this leeway carries the risk of a massive pandemic spreading.
If government policies are like this, hopefully they will be ready with super spread pandemic wave scenario and immediately administer a vaccine if is available.

Yes it can, there are many people are that are still high risk in covid19 and if we are not careful this might lead to another breakout. All of the efforts will be put to waste that our battle against the virus will not going to end.

Sad but since we cannot stand anymore the problem especially to us that we are directly being affected into this pandemic. I guess the government movement is forcing this even if the outcomes are uncertain.

The government needs to pressure the people to comply with the protocol rules that have been provided if it is done well and the people will not be infected with Covid-19.
The economy needs to be opened during a pandemic, because it is a necessity for every citizen to seek necessities for survival. If this is still allowed, I am sure this will be a pressure for citizens to produce something that is more difficult.
So the government has opened their economy slowly but still the rules must be strictly watched so that the positive numbers do not increase again in the first wave.

The government can re-open the economy, but they need to warn people who will re-opening their businesses to follow every health protocol. If they don't follow, the government can force that place to close it. If the business owner doesn't follow the health protocols, that can make the pandemic worse. Even it will be worse than the last few months because that can attract many people to get an infection. We risk getting infected by Covid-19 because we don't know who the carrier is or people without symptoms, which can be dangerous to other people.

The government needs to get an income from the business sector, and people need money to continue to survive. If people can still be careful and always have health protocols, that can help people prevent the infection.

Im afraid of having a second wave of this virus. The government is less strict now when implementing the rules and health protocols. Therefore many stubborn people are acting freely as if there's no virus existing anymore.

Here in our place many people have no discipline and already forgot the social distancing just because of the lifted strict rules. Its good that some companies/businesses are re-opening so we can return back to work but im also concern for what might happen in next few days/months. I dont think we can move on with the virus if people are acting this way. The cooperation of everyone is really needed because even the economy is slowly getting better, it will become useless if the government impose another lockdown due to increasing number once again of infected.

The governments have done all that they could. Now it is up to the citizens. There will be people who behave in a reckless manner, by disregarding social distancing norms and other precautionary measures. The only way to protect yourself is to keep a safe distance from such individuals. We all need to adjust ourselves, as this virus is not going to go away anytime soon. We need to get on with our daily routine, while taking the necessary precautions.

"Sex social workers"?!?Do you live in Thailand? ;D
Yes,of course that opening the economy will make the pandemic worse,but this is inevitable.
I don't think that the lockdowns and quarantines were very efficient in some countries.Most of the people just don't follow the rules and do what they want.
It's all about finding the balance between keeping a big part of the economy safe,while keeping the pandemic under control.That would be very difficult and it will require tremendous amount of efforts,but there's no easy and simple solution.

I believe the OP is from Philippines. Why do you believe that sex workers exist only in Thailand? A lot of people flock to Thailand in search of sex workers, because the system is semi-legal there (still not 100% legal). Researchers claim that this is the oldest profession and yet most of the countries don't want to legalize or regulate it. In the end, it causes the industry to be pushed underground, in to the hands of various criminal gangs and mafias.

I believe the news now is that health authorities in Sweden are poised to start introducing local lockdowns to stop a surge in new cases, although these will not be legally enforceable. It will be interesting to watch how they will do it considering they were one of the few countries avoiding any form of closing.
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/sweden-to-start-lockdowns-worlds-22864690

In my opinion opening the economy even further right now will just increase the corona cases very fast. The problem we are facing right now is the second wave of the pandemic. In Europe for example every country is reporting rising corona cases and we can't really open the economy anymore. On the otherside we also can't have another lockdown this year. All the countries here are experiencing negative growth in GDP. We just can't afford another closing down of the economy. It's very hard to balance off human lifes vs the economy, but we need to find a mix.

If regulations and restrictions are strict enough, a country can raise their economy back to normal without being contaminated by the virus. However, it is a hard process, especially most of the country still have many victims. My government have done a great job keeping the society from the infection. Therefore, currently, our economy is meliorated. There is still a risk of being affected again and quarantine is necessary in order to keep the virus low, but we are joyful with the contemporary situation.

It is kinda both sides of a coin. Risks and chances are both existed while opening back firms. The government will have the highest responsible for everything. If your leaders are good, your country will definitely rise

I think opening of the economy is really needed. Now, I'm all for preventing the spread of virus, but closing the economy for so long will do more harm than good! Many has lost their jobs. Only for a virus if they close entire economy for indefinite period of time, more people would die without income than due to the virus. And I believe, herd immunity is also very much needed to contain the virus. We can't lock ourselves up for so long and pray a vaccine or a miracle will come to eradicate the virus. We have to live with it!

Opening of the economy will indeed increase the number of cases of the corona but there is no other choice but to save the economy than keeping everyone inside their houses. This is the only solution since even if people will be ordered to stay on their home, they will only suffer from hunger and might die due to that reason.

Indeed. Opening the economy will finish a country's problem during the pandemic because people will get back to their jobs, and productivity will continue. If they didn't open the economy and get people back to their jobs, the economy would definitely continue to fall, that many people will suffer. But employees and other people who use public transportation should still be careful because the virus is continuously spreading.

The government has no choice but to gradually open establishments and public transportation, because many people are already hungry because of the lockdown duration, and it has been half a year since people have been unemployed.The government cannot support all our needs and they cannot let people starve to death. Nevertheless, every one should have a self discipline to protect themselves from getting infected of virus
 

The world's economies have been hit hard by the epidemic so the governments of each country are slowly opening up everything to improve their economies and work to increase health. If one does not adhere to the security measures the epidemic will take a worse shape which can take a terrible form from the beginning. The biggest solution is to keep the social distance market until the vaccine is available. Personal protection of employees is being given priority in the office-court during coronation these costs are being added to the economy of staying well.

From the photos, I conclude that in this particular case it may be Asia, I must admit that I am not familiar with the situation in that part of the world with COVID-19. What is currently happening in Europe is an incredibly strong start of the second wave which is very likely largely the result of very mild measures that were in place during the summer when the virus had a rather weak effect but indisputably infected an incredible number of people. With the arrival of colder weather, the virus strengthens and spreads with incredible speed, and the consequences are much more severe (many more people need medical care and many more dies).

Some people call this a calculated risk, because they believe that the damage will be much greater (economically) if strict measures are in place (which is true), and on the other hand accept that returning to normal will mean the spread of the virus among the population. On the example of the EU, we can see what is currently happening, the incredible numbers of infected, already heavily burdened health systems and rethinking of lockdown again.

There is no ideal solution here, you live as much as normal for 3 months, and then it comes back to you like a boomerang and throws you back into the harsh reality. 

Most countries need to slowly open their economy to survive. We all know that the economic situation got worse because of the pandemic so the government is trying to recover from it that they're even taking all the risks. Things will still depend on how people will keep themselves safe by taking the precautionary measures seriously and continuously because facing the second wave isn't impossible since most of us could get exposed to the virus. It's how we discipline ourselves after all.

there are areas where the protocol is much more relaxed compare from the last 3 months all do the virus still there but the good thing is we already learn how to adopt having it , and we already know how to protect our self right now It will help many people to continue their lives and survive in this survival time.

So far, I see that the government in my country is quite good at dealing with the economic problem of people affected by Covid. Many fund are channeled in the form of assistance to communities and can help at least a fraction of their need each month. The implementation of health protocol has also continued to be pursued properly through socialization and banner that are spread almost at every intersection. People can do activities as usual without forgetting health protocol. It looks good because people can make end meet by working. I don't think the second wave will happen because of this.

But you know, in our place, people no longer believe that Covid-19 is a very dangerous and life-threatening disease. The main reason for this section is that there are too many cases of manipulation of the diagnosis by certain individuals to their patient. I think nearly 50% more of the patient who die are infected with coivid even though these patient died in an accident. I don't know why this happened, and today many people refuse to go to the hospital without any urgency.

Well, you know what they say about that country, "Its more fun in the Ph*". Of course it will worsen the pandemic as long as people has no discipline with following the strict protocol regarding health guidelines. The government has a poor response because all they are saying is to wait for the vaccine WHICH WILL TAKE A LONG AMOUNT OF TIME TO PRODUCE since it will undergo testing procedures. The government can improve its economy once it make critical decisions regarding big companies to pitch in and government politicians will stop being corrupt.

Indeed, the opening of the economic route has been going on since the existence of regulations on health protocols, and some countries have even continued to promote their tourism. Therefore, before I have said about the world needing to restore the economy or they continue to shut themselves at home, these two factors are something that will continue to be considered because the economy is time to be restored so it's no wonder, when many sports and other things start working again like usually and one of the only differences at this time is about getting used to new habits such as maintaining the covid-19 protocol such as maintaining distance, wearing masks, washing hands but still, a rule is just a rule because there are still many people who don't pay attention to this new habit.

We are all now faced with a choice;

• stay at home and die slowly due to economic paralysis, or
• keep doing economic activities as usual and live side by side with this "PANDEMIC"

In this case the government has done a good job by opening "LOCKDOWN" and starting to stimulate economic activity.  Certainty about the vaccine is still "gray", but we can not wait long.  We must dare to take risks and follow health protocols everywhere while outdoor..

They don't have any choice but to open up their restrictions soon as if they continue to close down businesses their national budget will be flush down by the financial aid they are giving to everyone so they don't really have any choice but to open up businesses so it will help the economy. The next best thing they can do now is to have regulations in place when these businesses have opened up where they have guidelines on preventing the spread of the virus while they are open. They should have these kinds of rules where you can prevent the spread on the normalization of the economy.

Yes, I think it will be responsible for making the situation worst than before. I am from an Asian country and our government is not taking enough restrictions for the pandemic rather than it should be needed to be more strict so that it can not spread rapidly.

After phase one, the government decided to open the economy, and the consequence of the result is getting dangerous. So it can be said the for this reason the situation will make the pandemic worst.

Managing this pandemic form the beginning has been a balancing act, on one side you have the health of your population and in the other you have the economy, at the beginning when the effects of the virus were not very clear governments decided to make the health of their citizens the most important thing and I think they did the right thing, later they were criticized by this but if covid19 was more lethal than it actually is then a disaster would have happened, but now that we are close to getting a vaccine and we have many experimental methods to treat it governments are now choosing the economy over the health of their citizens, this means they prefer the economy to do well and if that means the pandemic gets even worse than before as we are seeing already in Europe thanks to the second wave of the pandemic which is already hitting the continent they are willing to accept that outcome.

Slowly opening the economy is not a bad idea actually if the people and the government would be coordinated on implementing strict health protocols in order to control the spread of virus and for it not to worsen the situation with regards to the existence of the covid-19 pandemic. It is kinda risky of course re-opening the business establishments and allowing the come back of the public transportation to be able to meet the needs of the people but if the government will just keep the people locked in their houses, people will just continue to complain and will do things that are against on the health protocols being set just to be able to make themselves out of their houses for the fact that the government cannot duly support their needs on a daily life basis. It is risky yes, but there must be a movement to be done to be able to somehow work things out on doing economic recovery but such actions must still observe and obey strict health protocols so that the long months of lockdown will not turn into nonsense.

Balancing the situations really hard, the government of each countries needs to check every possibilities, if there's no real concrete plan to go ahead and reopen the economy the potential spreads will be more likely to happened and spread more of this virus, government should have early precautions or any alternatives incase the said step worsen the situations, slowly and it should be batch per batch it will lessen the spread to quickly hits more people to get infected.

After it is proven that the government cannot continuously meet the daily needs of its residents, and also not all residents can
get assistance from the government. Because of that, there is no other way for the government to have the courage to make
decisions, to slowly open the economy. Although on the other hand it will definitely make the pandemic worse.

Indeed, the decision to open the economy is the fastest way to restore the economy, so that people can immediately get a job.
Maybe the solution is so that the spread of the corona virus does not spread quickly, there can be strict health protocols applied,
if someone violates it must be given sanctions so that people want to obey the rules.

Lack of perfect planning is found with every government. One of few countable number of governments were performing with better understanding, and the upcoming situation of bitcoin. However the failure with the governments were not providing subsidiaries and other life essentials during the very strong spreading period.

Anyhow the world hasn't completely succeeded fighting covid-19, but situation is getting better with time. Governments doesn't have reserve, but if the entire corrupt leaders list is prepared large volume of government funds can be recovered and used for the true sufferings.

Several months have passed and I can say that currently, most people now do have some knowledge about how to deal with the Covid-19. Back then, the thinking of how deadly the virus affects everyone's mental health resulting in their resistance to being weakened and always overreacting.

With the economy slowly coming down, it gives hope that we should not deal with the virus for a long-time. It also creates a mindset that the virus is actually curable with only proper medication without waiting for the vaccine.

I'm sure every country that got heavily struck by the pandemic is now ready for any next wave because of the experience. Don't mind the confirmed cases exactly as asymptomatic people dominate that numbers but rather look at the progress of recovery rate.

We have to risk even there is no assurance of our safety. We might not get caught by covid 19 but we may die because of famine. Many people are struggles to do their daily life because of lockdown. We can't always depend in our government because some of them are corrupt officials. This lockdown is only good for rich and middle class people who can live even without a job for a couple of months, but what happens to the poor? We always struggle to find food even there is no pandemic, what more when there it was?

Government economic assistance to the people can only provide so much and can only last for a very limited period of time. And so the government cannot keep its people inside their homes for long. Time will always come that they will have to go out and find ways to support themselves. Businesses will have to be reopened. The entire economy cannot just rely on government debts.


Because the hard numbers suggest that COVID-19 is not really deadly. It mainly kills old people and those who have pre-existing health conditions. However, it is indeed very infectious that it is highly possible to acquire it from someone who is not in direct contact.

If I am not mistaken, COVID-19 hospital expenses are usually high. And they are also totally shouldered by government insurances. In this way, hospitals could declare a good number of patients to be COVID-19 patients even though many of them are not so that they could bill the government with large amounts.  

Even if there is a place or area which do not have strict health protocols, it doesn't mean that we don't have to be careful because we don't know where the virus will come from. No matter where we come from, we need to follow the health protocols, at least, for ourselves, so we can prevent the virus spreads to us.

So if we are in the crowd or the local store or malls, we know how to protect ourselves and our family, which can help the government reduce the number of infections in the crowd. We must do many things when we are in a crowd or the store with many people in one big room.

But it is good for the government to re-open the economy by giving a chance to the business owner to start their business again. That can provide a new way for the economy to grow in this pandemic slowly.


As long as we can be careful in the crowd, I am sure we will be okay while we can still do what we want in that place. The government is still trying to warn the people in the crowd. They also permit the store to re-open their store because that means the economy in that city or country can start again. All people will still try to continue to survive in many ways, and I am sure they can do that.

The stock markets have rocketed to the pre-COVID levels, and this shows that the economy is back on track. It is still dangerous to go out, but if you don't have any co-morbidities and in case you are in the 18-45 age group, then I would say that it is OK to travel to work (as long as proper precautions such as wearing mask and maintaining social distancing is taken). Children and the elderly needs to stay at home for some more time.

I see a complete fracture between the actual economic world and what is going on within the several stock markets globally.
Yes, like someone correctly said  the stock market almost reached pre-Covid-19 levels, while China is booming again. Good thing is BTC is booming too because it is really hard to understand what is happening.

Well, I was already expecting that to be said, there are always the bad government officials that keeps oppressing the poor, they never get tired of the money they get from the government, they will still block the pennies that will be given to the poor citizens and keep for themselves.

Tell me, if things should continue like this, do you think that people are still ready to stay on lockdown? How can you be alive doing nothing and hunger is killing you? I know that some so called internet advisers will come out and say that people should look for other skills, but do they really know how long it takes for one to develop new skills and master it? Or they will say get a job online, must we all be working online or must everyone have the same job?

This is very funny. People have even stopped wearing masks, and they are now about their days activities not giving a damn whether there is Corona virus or not.

Stock prices doesn't necessarily reflect the economic performance of the country itself sometimes the prices of stocks are even not in its true value as it can always go overvalued or undervalued due to speculation and demand. Yes we can see that prices of stocks are recovering but when you look at the news you will see things related to unemployment, fiat currencies having high inflation, companies downsizing and even shutting down these things alone shows that the economy continually is getting hit by the pandemic.

Well.. stock index can't be the sole criteria for measuring the economic health, but it is among the most important parameters. But one of the disadvantages is that it doesn't take in to account the small and medium sized businesses which are not listed in any of the stock markets. The stock market indices should be taken along with other indices such as unemployment rate and GDP growth.

I agree with your point of view. Economic openness can be a threat to the economy, especially in countries with large tourist arrivals. There is a need for strict management between agencies in the state system to prevent pandemics. A recent example where I see economic opening up, social activities back to normal, potentially the risk of pandemic continuing to complicate, in China, pandemic lasting months and recently In October 2020, couples held many weddings, hundreds of thousands. 19 more COVID-19 infections were found in the community in the nation's chain of wedding events, a sign that we should not neglect pandemic prevention.
I think the use of masks and regular daily hand wash with the antiseptic solution is essential among people.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-china-cases/mainland-china-reports-19-new-covid-19-cases-idUSKBN27502R

FYI, please don't just pick images off of Google just to make your post look more like a shitty mainstream media article.  It just bloats your post and the images aren't necessary.

Second, the world you're describing sounds nothing like mine, which makes me think this might be more appropriate for a local board--unless you at least give us some idea of where in the world you're talking about.  I'm not asking that you dox yourself, but unless I missed it (I didn't read every word OP wrote, because his grammar is so bad) you didn't mention what country you're in.

Third, as far as the topic goes, fuck the pandemic.  The virus is nowhere near as deadly as its being portrayed in the media, and we've got to get on with our lives, coronavirus or not.  The world can't be shut down indefinitely for an outbreak of a virus that's closer to the common cold than it is Ebola or Smallpox.  Politicians should be listening to the entire scientific community, not just advisors.

Of course, it will make the pandemic worst. But the problem in our country is not pandemic only. People need food, but our government can't provide it anymore. I didn't blame the government or the people doing the job they know to have food for their daily needs. Even if the government didn't slowly open the economy, many people would surely find a source of money outside.

We have no choice or else we will suffer more if many people can’t still go to work and the result is expected, let’s just trust the government that they are ready to accommodate more people now that many people are already allowed to go outside.

Many people are dying now not because of pandemic but because of hunger and the problem on how to support the needs of their family so I support this move by the government, this is already a survival of the fittest until the covid is still here.

Many have been killed by the corona virus that is spreading more than 7 months now that is making the government to do something to wake the economy up again in the country.
Many people are still wearing face mask and washing of hands to avoid the virus that is spreading to disrupt the economy of the country. Government are trying their possible best to make sure the vaccine is be ready to cure the virus that is killing the citizens anyhow in the country that is making them to rise the economy to normal.
I think the slowly of the economy will not make the pandemic worst as before because many strategies are on ground not to allow people to experience pandemic.

We have been like this for a few months now. We started to be under this quarantine when few cases are reported. Now, that the government fears that this Corona virus may collapse our economy even more ,they decided to open our economy. I know that health must be our first priority but still there are things we should not neglect. For me, government's decision to open the economy was okay. Many will be back with their jobs and little by little we will rebuild our country from this harmful covid-19. I don't think that slowly opening our economy will make the pandemic worse but citizen's lack of discipline may.

I have a theory that the reduced r-naught values on populations with high densities is due to people contracting the virus without developing symptoms., and then developing quite a resistance against COVID-19.

Most asymptomatic patients do not develop any form of uneasiness or slight discomfort on the average incubation time of COVID-19, as opposed to those who developed symptoms a week or two after being exposed. As such, the immune system of asymptomatic people have loads of time to develop an immune resistance against the virus until it is completely repelled, and convalescent plasma is developed by the body which is then relayed in the blood stream without the person even noticing it. In this way, the asymptomatic individual would have its own defenses up against the virus, further reducing the spread of the disease in a community setting. Also something to keep in mind that almost 96% of the cases recorded are from asymptomatic individuals, and the numbers could be even higher since most people who don't feel any symptoms just go on with their lives as if it's just a normal day. On paper this should even be scarier, as our models always projects on the worse side rather than the better side, but on an actual setting most models are, in fact, flawed in some ways.

Of course, there is still a threat of promoting community transmission all over again and a single superspreader event can cause all efforts to mitigate the spread to shatter after economies are re-opened. Then again, governments should consider that at some point, people have to go out, earn some money to get some food on the plate rather than keep them quarantined until a vaccine is developed. They can't just propose to give helicopter money to aid the sustenance of their citizens; it will even pose greater problems if not controlled. That's why the imposition of health and safety guidelines should be as tough as ever in order to get the economy back without compromising everyone's health and safety.

Public transport is really where thing would get murky and is a top candidate for a superspreader event. Governments should draft guidelines for people wishing to board or operate a public vehicle. By doing so, the risk of spreading diseases into different communities is prevented, and people would have some means of transportation to and from different locations.

Honestly there's a lot of things to keep in mind before re-opening the economy, but the gradual decline in r-naught values in some of the high-density populations makes me think about us controlling the spread successfully, or the governments underreporting cases to minimize the anxiety, paranoia and fear among the general public in order to support the immediate reopening of their countries to several facets and aspects of the economy.

Although the reopening of the economy might make the pandemic worse by causing a second wave, I do not believe the government has a choice but to do it.
During the lock down, just like OP mentioned, there was a downturn in the economy of many countries which in turn causes a lot of suffering for the people. Many workers were laid off, many were without pay, which in turn means they can't pay bills or taxes or other form of revenue for the government. If things like this happen, then the government definitely needs to find a way to restore things which is only by reopening the economy.
I think the only thing necessary to ensure that it doesn't worsen the pandemic is ensure that proper preventive measures are put in place and violators of these measures are sanctioned

No, but we can at least save the economy by opening it,
There is no other choice but to do it, or else it will be too late for the government to save the economy.

It will get worst but not as fast as how we encounter during the early encounter with covid-19. The thing is people know how and what to do right now, they also started to follow health protocols due to their fear of having the virus.

If we will not start to make things in this new normal, then it would be hard for our economy to recover again. I guess people are already responsible enough to follow those health protocols that are imposed by the government because if they won't, they are the ones who will suffer the consequences. The second wave for this pandemic might be very possible but we should not let also ourselves to starve at this moment because of the fear of transmission of corona virus.

We need to live with it and there are precautionary measures has been given by the government already so people should follow all given protocols to make them safe. It's really hard to live with this but we need to adopt on new normal since if we let the lockdowns continuously happen for sure our economy will collapsed.

As you shouldn't let ourselves starve and act accordingly with the protocols since this is the key for us to survive in this pandemic.

There is no way around it, if the government continues to lock down its territory, the economy will run slowly and more people will lose their jobs, so new normal should be applied. The pandemic will get worse, more people will be infected until a vaccine is found. meanwhile, people are responsible for following health protocols, taking care of themselves, boosting immunity to minimize the chance of being infected with the virus.

Actually all of the protocols mandated by the government are just minimum health prevention to which means that even if you follow it still you could get the virus. Why?

First, the virus could still live in the things that has been touch like the chairs, tables and comfort room. Anyone who touches those things that virus on it could get vmthe virus too or even transfer it to other things. Now there are actually hard headed individuals that are not really doing their things or just making the protocols as compliance for them not to get caught by the authority. Washing of hands and disinfect with alcohol usually forgotten so we can expect more cases to come in the future.

Why is it the most important parameter here? As far as I know stock prices are just that it could really mislead a lot of people since the prices can also be affected by speculation and like what I have previously said they can be overvalued or undervalued based by other people in the market. Basing the development of your economy based on stock prices will just cloud the other details. Yeah a company might be performing well in times like this that's why their stock is going up but it wouldn't say the same thing for the economy of the whole country.

In my point of view considering that In my country most people are hard headed?yeah it can worsen the situation and make more infections a days goes by.

We knew how hard to detect each virus carrier unless being treated in Hospital meaning in each groupings either in groceries or in streets,Virus can be spread without anyone knowing they are already infected.
for me until the Vaccine is ready maybe better to remain the GCQ and let limited establishment to operate.

In my opinion even if the vaccine is not available if the government takes strict measures the effect of the virus can be brought under control governments of all countries are opening up everything to improve the economy so they have to take every step to protect. Legal action will have to be taken for those who do not comply with the health rules stricter laws will reduce the negative impact and citizens will become aware of the economy.

The government is already re-opening the economy because they can't continue to lock down the country without thinking about their people. If the lockdown continues, the economy will also stop, and many people will suffer without any chance to survive.

In this way, the government and their citizen need to responsible for their health. It is hard for all people, but that is what it needs to do right now. If they can cooperate, the infection will not increase. And the infection can decrease, which can help the government cure people who got infected by Covid.

It is a good thing if the government can slowly re-open the economy because that means the government gives business owners a chance to start their business, which can make the economy start running. That can provide the people to have a new job of joining in that business.

Our economy is going down because of this pandemic, many people are now getting hungry because of being jobless, our government is slowly planning to recover our economy, many establishments are now being open with restrictions, of course, they still need to implement proper hygiene, disinfectant, and social distancing and the capacity of the customer to dine in are only 50%. I am hoping that this move will not make the situation worse, it is just a risk movement for the government bt what would it be, if they won't allow people to work, they cannot support anymore all the people especially if this pandemic will live too long.

Stock indices represent an important parameter, because a large majority of the economic turnover is accounted by companies which are listed in the market. What you are saying is true, as the stock prices can be affected by speculation. But this doesn't hold true for the long term. In 99% of the cases, the stock prices will go up only if the company is performing well. And in the absence of other parameters, the stock indices represent a somewhat accurate measurement of the economic health.

It all depends on the general people. If the government is opening the economy slowly and taking proper measures to make sure the virus spreading is still contained, then I doubt it is going to make the pandemic worst than it is right now. But the problem is the people. They don't listen. They aren't following the rules and doing whatever they want. General people are making the pandemic worst than the business.
If only people would listen, follow the rules and maintain social distance...

An international lockdown was launched in March 2020, and this is the eighth month the public has refrained from complying with regulations. What happened was that the economic condition did not recover as before, as a result people had difficulty getting money to survive.

This virus can be resisted by strong body immunity, while immunity comes from nutrients and protein in food. That means, right now, what is more important than obeying the rules is that we must survive on nutritious food. The public is starting to distrust the government anymore because they are all aware that this virus has no end except herd immunity.

Diarrhea still kills a magnitude more people each year than does the corona sars 2 virus. So does Malaria, Hepatitis B (also C). Even tuberculosis is nearly as deadly. Yet the media is having a field day with this virus in particular because they seem to love exploiting the fear aspect. While the virus is pretty nasty as far as latent lung function decrease, there are many other worldwide conditions that are being woefully ignored while this story takes up 50% of the news cycle.

It's just like the 737 Max crashes that killed less than 400 but got tons of coverage. 1/3 as may people died from faulty GM ignition switches in equally horrific deaths and the media coverage was not nearly as sensational.

We need to move on and recover from the pandemic crisis so reopening the economy would be necessary. The pandemic situation will only get worst if people will not follow the protocols and if they will be hard-headed. It depends on how we follow safety measures. We still need to rise and stand again so we'll not get into deep debt.

Sooner or later the government will start to open up all sectors for economic reasons, continuing to close important sectors will endanger the country, many citizens are getting bored with the situation and choose to continue living with the risk of being infected with Covid -19, I think people and goverment have learn a lot how to handle this situation, so this is the next that must be do for all country.

I think we're all not ready for this, how can we continue and reopen those businesses if we are still in a pandemic?

If the government do not have any plan besides going in a new normal again and doesn't think about the possibilities that might happen, probably we will make this Covid-19 pandemic to become worse. I'm not against the reopening of businesses for the sake of the economic stability but we should consider other factors such as transportation and people who can violate the laws.

The Government should really need to open up the economy slowly, because it has been a long time, over half a year now since we are in different types of community quarantines that made the people suffered more, especially the poorest of the poor. Without the economy, how will people eat and buy their daily needs? The starving individuals arises here in our country because of this pandemic and the Government cannot afford to give aid to the whole nation which is over populated. We need to stand up and cast away our fears, we need to live with covid-19, as long as we take extra precautions and safety protocols and proper hygiene to ourselves, that would be fine, I guess. There is a big City here, which is the hotspot for covid-19 cases back in few months, but now they are slowly getting back into place, trying to live with the virus and the good thing is that they have developed an immunity response to the virus, so they have no fear now and they have a strong faith that they could beat this virus. If this positive mindset of the people will spread all over this country, I strongly believe we can beat Covid-19 and learn to live with it.

Nice to see a fellow kabayan like you @OP. Thanks for sharing on what is going here in the Philippines, especially about handling the pandemic through restrictive quarantine measures.

Every local government unit had their unique measures in containing COVID-19 despite following the national IATF (Inter Agency Task Force) guidelines on the classifications of quarantine. Most of our cities and provinces are under the lowest level MGCQ (Modified General Community Quarantine), a few of them are under GCQ (General Community Quarantine), while Lanao Del Sur and Marawi are under MECQ (Modified Enhanced Community Quarantine) and a city in Isabela is currently under ECQ (Enhanced Community Quarantine), the strictest of them all.

For me, they are choosing between balancing both health protocol and reviving the economy. Lots of businesses and their employees have lost their jobs and livelihood due to the pandemic. For me, as long mass gathering was prohibited like concerts, churches, conferences, etc., the spread of the virus would reduce. And also sports, with the exception of the Philippine Basketball Association (PBA) which they're now in the Pampanga bubble.

And also I think starting today, all non-essential travel are resumed whether locally or internationally, subject to strict health protocols.

Even blended or modular learning was criticized by many (in which there are some suicide events happened, both teachers and students) because of the stressful modular handouts.

The government has to do it slowly in reopening the economy. If lockdown was still in place, our livelihoods are affected which will stop our income (especially slum places where they have no access to internet). The government has no choice but to slowly reopen the economy as well as balancing the health protocols by just simply following the minimum health standards.

We have seen the results of this already, USA never slowed down anyway, but Italy is getting record breaking numbers again, Germany doing horrible, France was always bad at this, even UK is not doing that well anymore. It is literally a horrible situation all over the world, hell there are so many bad places that some of them doesn't even do testing properly anymore, they just let things be until there is a fix on this.

Pandemic is not done, it is still around, it is as critical as it was in the spring and early summer, but for some time it looked like it was doing better yet here we are again, doing a lot worse. The only way to stop this is to have a permanent lockdown until this is fixed, I know "permanent" usually means forever but I mean like until we have close to zero infections and have some vaccine ready.

Some governments have done a poor job educating the people about how to help prevent the spread of the virus, and they've done a poor job for political reasons. People would be able to prevent the spread and the economy would be able to function much better if people followed the medical and scientific advice about minimizing the spread of the virus.  It's almost always the conservative governments or conservative leaders who minimize the risks of the virus or seek to undermine the public response to contain it.

Almost all countries experiencing pandemic is already slowly re-opening their economy because it cannot taken for too long staying into such situation that they won't do anything and just keep on waiting for the vaccine to come wherein we are still not yet sure on when it will happen. Slowly re-opening of the economy is just good to slowly get into the recovery stage after the direct negative impact that this pandemic have brought up affecting both health and economic concerns. It won't make the pandemic worst if the people and government will keep coordinated on implementing the strict health protocols to prevent the further spread of virus because if they won't do such, then expect that it will really get worst. But if they wanted to slowly get back to normal, then be cooperative and think not just for yourself but also for the people around you.

I agree that opening the economy by government will make the pandemic situation worse. But on the other hand, the government does not
have many options to make the economy recover. So like it or not, the government must slowly reopen the economy, although the risk will
make the spread of the corona virus increase. The government must make difficult choices like this. but the spread of the corona virus can be
minimized by implementing strict health protocols.

In many of the major urban centers, the population is inching towards attaining herd immunity. It has been already 6-7 months, since the pandemic started spreading outside China. A large part of the world population has already attained herd immunity and another large fraction will be attaining it in the coming months. The risk is still there, but with the passage of time it is getting smaller and smaller.

I sort of understand the government is doing right things because they are thinking about every single person.

Sure we all want people to actually stay at home but we are forgetting the people who own their own business as well so there are tons of economical problems in the world as well so I can’t really say what is the right decision to open or not to open.

If you open thousands of people will die, if you do not open tens of millions of people will starve and may die so in the end both options are horrible.

The more they try to bring the economy back to the government the more countries suffer from the pandemic. I have not seen any signs of a pandemic decline, especially in European countries where their people are freely traveling to other countries.
The number of COVID-19 infections across Europe is at high levels and there is no sign of reduction.
https://news.google.com/covid19/map

Countries should close their borders and practice social isolation until the number of out-of-community cases is completely reduced as Vietnam and China did. That is the only way to get rid of the epidemic and get the country's economy back more efficient than risky.

According to the map, Europe is seriously affected and has many epidemic zones. It is inevitable because the people of the European Union bloc freely travel together without difficulty. The whole European economy has organic relations between countries and it is difficult for them to close their borders because they need to trade in some important areas.
The next thing I noticed was that the anti-epidemic policies differ from each other in Europe and that's what complicates the epidemic.

Economies of small countries has no other choice but to continue despite of this pandemic. Ofcourse, no government would want to risk the lives of their people for nothing not only because it is against the norms but also they will be criticized from doing so. Many countries are now in debt due to this pandemic and in order to cope up, economies should resume their operations to lessen the debts. With regards to the transportations, there are alternatives such as companies providing bicycles to their employees in order for them to be functional in their jobs. There is also this "work from home" system, to help employees avoid physical contact with other people. And yes, ofcourse not all companies will do these things for employees. Personally, I am also against the continuation of different establishments but there might just be times wherein we are taking risks to live.

The issue is that politicians need and want to be elected and they are in an impossible situation for them, if they prioritize the health of their citizens then the economy will do badly and the opposition will blame them for this and even people will be mad at them because they have lost their jobs, however if they decide to prioritize the economy then they will be accused of being insensitive and that they only care about the rich making profits and once again people will buy it, so politicians in power are between a rock and a hard place and so far they have preferred to neglect the economy in favour of the health of their citizens, but this cannot really continue for long as we cannot have millions of people without jobs and starving because of it.

Corporations have control of the media, the products the advertisements and many other stuff that could change the views of the public, they do not even have to actually do anything that supports a politician, they could just support what that politician supports and get out of it without any problems while still moving the country any direction they want, left or right.

This means if a politician does whatever companies wants him to do, that politician could get a fair help from the companies and that is why I honestly think they do not care about people as much as they care about the companies. This is literally the only reason why we are back on the streets again, there should be a lockdown no doubt yet at the same time government wants us to make profit for the corporate lords.

I don't think the government's have the options of doing another lock down. The first lock down send almost every country into recession. A similar shock to happen a second time this year is just too much for most companies and people. Now with the second wave hitting so many countries, especially in Europe we see higher infection rates than before the first lock down on spring this year. Unfortunately the government can just accept the worse outcome right now. We still don't know how long this pandemic is going to last, there might be even a third wave coming.

The economy needs to recover so the only thing the government will be doing is to only put some protocol and regulations, it's a new normal we need to face since we don't have any choice, we will all be hungry if we will just ask and wait for the governments support as they are also  struggling to budget. In my country there are many help provided already to poor but it's not enough for long so the only solution made was to stop the quarantine and just create new normal rules and regulations that needs to be followed by the citizens, yes it cause more cases but as months passed it seems to be normal now as jobs, transportation, malls were back to operation.

After the first onset of the coronavirus epidemic, many countries have lifted taxes on their social and economic activities. While this could exacerbate the epidemic in the second phase, it is not possible for underdeveloped and developing countries, even many developed ones, to hold back economic activity for a long time. According to the World Food Program, the coronavirus epidemic will increase the number of hungry people around the world and the world economy has already collapsed due to the coronavirus. Coronavirus epidemics can be worsened by the introduction of economic activities through lockdowns and relaxation of various restrictions.

By now, people have realized that all the BS we have been fed about the Coronavirus is wrong. The fatality rate for healthy people is less than 0.1% and there is no point in staying at home for unlimited periods. Enough damage has been done to the economy, and now time has come to restart it. To see how dangerous COVID 19 actually is, just look at what happened to Donald Trump. He's 74 years and still he was released from the hospital in a couple of days.

Closing and limitation of job and somehow opening the economy during the breakout of covid-19 can make everything worst by increasing the infected people overtime. However, in another theory, people should should get used to the new situation and the new normal. That's why if people really use the masks and respect social distance rule there won't be a problem. Because, closing down the economy for many people was awful and some of them didn't have anything to eat.

This depends on how people will protect themselves during this pandemic. If they think they can just go back to what they've been used to before all of this happened. It will surely get worst if people won't adjust to the new normal. I'm sure they know how much expensive it is to be hospitalized.

Yes, it could because the virus is still there and people that are vulnerable to this virus will be put more closer to danger. The virus may not affect the people that are healthier but we do not know if we are really healthy enough not to get affected by the virus. In these trying times we have to protect our love ones especially the kids or older people that somehow are consider as more vulnerable. Hopefully that people will going to be more careful by observing the minimum health standard.

It's bright that opening of economics has made and is making pandemic worse but there is no other choice. Please, don't argue with me that our health is more important than economics because your health directly depends on your economic, without good economics, it will fail too.
People have to follow standards very carefully and mustn't be careless when it comes to our and someone's health. To be fair, I think numbers are inflated and real death cases caused by covid isn't that high. At the same time, governments mustn't panic people as it will make the situation worse. Place effect has a huge impact on people and society, good placebo effect is important and at the same time when they panic people, some people are so afraid of it that request to be placed in a hospital when they see that they just choke or sneeze. Because of limited resources, it's making it hard to find places for those who really need treatment.

I know how hard it is for the government to decide which side they need to focus on.
If they will focus on the transmission or the virus and close the economy then the whole country will suffer since cash flow will be shut down.
If they will focus on the economy and let the virus transmit faster then more people will die.

In our country, the number of cases are still increasing by at least 4 digits per day but slowly the economy is opening because we don't have any choice. One more is that the recovery rate of the person getting infected by the virus is high so they will just risk it rather than closing the economy.

I cannot imagine the prostitute businesses to be re-open
It is a sure thing the most effective way to get infected lol.
Let the whole economy area to re-open so we can see a smooth genocide of the century, i always imagined about this
If the covid19 is so deadly , lets use it to reduce useless man on earth .
No seriously , both action by reopening activities and locking down has similar equal effects / threats.
So for me let it flow , life must go on.

It will definitely make the situation worst. Covid-19 transmissions will be more rapid and we should only expect the highest number of cases arises as the Government loosen up the strict community quarantines and people anywhere didnt even care that the virus is still around us, and yet they keep on doing the usual things before this pandemic hits us. Im so scared to think of the possible things that might occur and we could not rely on completely to Government's assistance because of the limited resources. So, I guess, the best thing to do now is to pray more harder that we will be spared from this virus and will continue to survive until this pandemic last.

  If the economy is opend slowly, I don't see any reason for the pandemic to get worst. But it the economy is opened abruptly, there will be a big problem, because I will result to a second phase of the pandemic and no one is praying for such to happen.

Th government needs to reopen some business for the economy to run slowly. Just like in our country, as announced they need to think of other ways for the economy to survive otherwise, the economy will be worse. This pandemic that we're suffering will worsen if the people have no disciplined during these difficult times. You have to follow the protocol and guidelines though the fact the number of infected is increasing.

I don't have the feeling that pandemic was under control except in the period of complete lockdown. But that is not the solution, economy is something that we can't live without, something that makes the ground for everyday living and earning.
People need to learn how to protect themselves and live with virus but economies need to carry on otherwise soon we'll see the collapse of our societies and I don't think that anyone wants that.

With the measure of ground show the government don't want to experience covid-19 again. Many research has been carry out to know when and where it will be good for so that people will start doing their normal business.
The economy is still growing gradually to recover all so that it will not make things worst after lifting the lockdown. Many investors are still find it difficult to make a good profit.

The new normal is to adapt to the procedure slayed by the government which includes face mask wearing, social distancing and others to be safe and healthy. The survivals of covid-19 won't want to have such experience of being hospitalized.

In my opinion, opening the economy slowly will indeed make the pandemic worse. Moreover, it is very difficult to get people to discipline
to adhere to health protocols. Even in my country government have to be given sanctions or fines so that people want to wear masks.
But the government does not have many options for restoring the economy, and I can understand why the government is taking this step.
Therefore, we are all obliged to comply with 3 health protocols, namely wearing masks, social distancing and washing hands.

Second wave of the pandemic is being experienced in some countries due to government opening of their economies, I believed government has a lot to do in curtailing the virus else the consequences of another lockdown might triggers more job losses and worsen recession, to matter worst some people are disobeying covid-19 protocols some claiming that wearing of nose mask is against their fundamental human right.

This would be a good to our economy and getting it back slowly was a good decision because we cannot be forever hide in our houses and wait for government to feed us, we must also do our part as a citizen to help our government back on to its knees and help it survive. As long as we still follow strict safety protocol when we go out or go to our respective workplaces, we will be okay and survive this new normal of daily routines. Even if the virus already flattened it doesn't mean the threat is gone, we just have to be vigilant and apply sanitary procedure always.

The government is opening everything to improve the country's economy because the people are more affected. Whether the epidemic is bad or good will depend on itself. Even if the government opens everything, if everyone maintains social distance and protects themselves then the situation will improve a lot or the process will get worse. If the epidemic occurs a second time it will be much harder to defend oneself. This is why we must pray to God for protection.

The economy in every nation will die if they will not open it but there is a consequences on it and it is the high percentage where the virus can infect more a lot of people. A lot of people lose their job because of the pandemic and it is so sad that there are many people out there who are experiencing poverty wherein they are not earning money because of the current pandemic. Right now, the businesses in my community is starting to bounce back after the huge losses that they incur because of the current pandemic. Our government is doing their best to maintain and prevent the spread of the virus.

I think we individuals have important responsibility in our society, we should follow the health protocols given by the government especially today wherein many economies our now open. Our public transportation is now opening but still there are vehicles that are not yet allowed to operate due to the strict protocol to prevent the virus to spread. I think what my countries lack is the hospital even though the active cases in my country are continuing to decrease.

This is a good point after all we know for a fact that politicians tend to listen to the owners of corporations which for the most part are their friends or even supported their campaigns, however it is not as if people do not want to get out and be free again, people were very unhappy because of the lockdown we went through, not only they had to remain on their homes for most of the day but they lost their jobs and even the entertainment was scarce so I while the will of those business owners played a role I think the will of the people played a role as well despite the fact that the pandemic is still in place.

I agree with you. The economy of every country will die if lockdown continues. Corporates have already fired many of their employees in order to show profits in their balance sheets, small business can't afford to pay their employees without a regular income. Job class people and labourers are most affected by corona pandemic. Lockdown will worsen the people financial condition and this will increase crime, suicide and depression.
People have to understand and follow the safety measures in order to save their family and world economy. We all have to bear the risk of going out at work but can avoid unnecessary roaming. If once the world economy came to knees, it will be almost impossible to come back to track for the next 3-4 years.

I think what the government is doing is a way to save the country's economy. if we are constantly trapped in a state where consciousness has to start with oneself. Regardless of the spread of Covid 19 or not, the wheels of the economy must work. there is always a change for the better. if we let it stay bad, it's because we ourselves don't want change.
Isn't it that apart from the government reopening the economy, legal protocols have been implemented and even new regulations need to be obeyed. Regarding dangerous or not, I think it returns to the belief of society in general.

Let's stop the panic with this pandemic and look at how you survived today without having it even though you know to yourself that you have encountered a lot of risky people who might be carrying the virus already.

I guess the covid is just a made-up virus to slow down the global economy and to have what they needed to do. If you're going to observe, no one in your family has experienced the covid. And that's actually not an accident.

You sir are funny. While hundreds of thousands have already died and millions have been left lifeless or jobless becauseof the virus you here are one of those people who still believes the virus is made up. You have to thank the people you encounter for being considerate enough following social distancing protocols despite you being a prick about it. DYOR, and for God's sake, wear a mask. This pandemic is not made up, the virus destroyed almost every country's economy. Be considerate enough in helping your country rebuild itself by following rules.

Governments try to reopen their economies because their population will be more impoverished if they do not. The blockade brings more unemployment and famine, it is true that the pandemic is a risk to life. But the population must learn carefully to live with the virus until we have a cure.
The biosecurity protocols must continue to minimize possible infections, we have no other choice.

The government is trying to reopen the economy in a limited portion because of running the economy in a way that can be beneficial for all. Because of the lockdown, many countries reverse getting decreased and if it continue then they will face trouble in near future. That's why the government is trying to reopen but where it reopened it, it makes the people in danger with the affect of the virus.

Many people never still believe covid-19 is real in the country. Many see it as a scam, that government is using it to kill the country economy and looting the government  money.
Many people really follow the rules government has put in place during pandemic to prevent the virus in the country. Many information is still on going that the virus is still on
ground that the government should still add second lockdown to make sure the virus is dead in the country before people can resume their activities fulling in the country.
The government will not announce second lockdown just because what people really pass through during the first lockdown that caused so many people  lose their life and also caused strong hardship in the country. I think second lockdown will make things worst the way it is now in the country.  With this vaccine the government have provide will really help the citizens to resume work and other business activities in the country.

It is dangerous but it is important.

Not just for the economy of the country but for the people that actually need a source of income. They can't just stay in lockdown forever unless they have a source of money that they can use without the normal continuation of the economy. The reason they are always implementing the protocol so that people could get back their jobs and having safety measures on stopping the virus from spreading.

Yes the second phase already started and people are getting attacked virus again. So it is very much shocking to live a life with all the members of the family as well as the community for the government. Economy will not stable for this. So it's challenging.


Money is nothing, on the other hand, money is everything. So we need money in all the steps which me made and will make in future. Having safety measures, people are getting attacked, so it is not actually safe for us. We are in big trouble in all sides.

Most of the people need jobs to survive because in some cases, COVID-19 isn't the only one they're fighting, some of us are also fighting for survival. Reopening the economy means opening job opportunities and it'll benefit those who're in the cycle. The lockdown supposed to be a time for making a health crisis solution for the pandemic, so they can implement those protocols to lessen the increase of the cases in the country when the lockdown was lifted. We all know that lockdown can destroy the economy, we should be functioning even there's a pandemic or else we will be in a huge debt.

This situation really be on the horns of a dilemma.  Reopening the economy is a move that everyone wants but it will increase the number of infected cases.  On the other hand, if you want to reduce cases of covid-19 infection, the government must lock down and worsen the country's economic conditions.  Nobody expects both.  However, that is the reality we must accept.  New normal is an issue that must be accepted by the public, ready to survive side by side with the virus to survive hunger.  Like living in the walking dead series.  Silent and uninspected but starving to death or struggling but zombies are ready to pounce.

In countries such as India and Brazil, sero-sample surveys have found that in some of the cities up to 60% of the population is having antibodies to COVID 19. That means that these people are unlikely to get infected again in the near future. So even if the government opens the economy, the spike in the number of new infections is going to be quite limited.

It seems that the several months we just stayed at home will be wasted. I'm afraid that this will only make the people at risk and the pandemic become more worst. However, I do understand why the Government decided to open up now the economy and loosen out the restrictions in any borders. Because, we are running out of resources and they can't give aid to each people. If we remained locked, poverty and hunger will gets higher in a certain country. So, maybe we will just follow the safety protocols  and keep the proper hygiene and cleanliness to our homes and our community so we can avoid the virus while getting along amidst the crisis.

I agree with you that we dont need to be panic. However, there are people who are stuck in the middle of the pandemic and they have lost their love ones. And nobody can calm down during that situation. And you have to sympathize with them. They deserve to feel sad, panic or even angry

I live in a country where the virus is successfully contained and I feel lucky about it. And even if this is a made-up disease, many countries do not aware of the dangerous situation and push the whole country to under the crisis. In the West, government does try their best to reduce the impact of Covid-19, but if the people remain incorporate, there will always people who infected because of not wearing mask, staying in public places for too long, etc.

Apparently Gen Z, Mlllenials and even some Gen X have forgotten what virii can do to life. Measles, Rubella, Polio and smallpox were all nasty little things that killed many more people than covid has thus far. The only difference is humans had put that thought out of their mind relegating the possibility of some wild ebola virus that causes people to bleed from their eyes. A much more indolent virus apparently wreaks a lot more havoc. It's recency bias. Modern life of the last 30 years just got very cushy for mankind - this event put some in reality check mode.

May I see an article related to that?  I just heard about it.  But if that is true, it is good news for all of us.  There is evidence that humans can have covid-19 antibodies.  So that we are not too anxious to stay active on the condition that we maintain health protocols.  But I also believe, one day we will all be immune to this pandemic, just waiting for the time.  Because this pandemic is not like HIV, which even today there is no cure.

Everything needs to be planned ahead whether the government decided to open the economy they are implementing precautions
and they'll make it sure that it's not going to be as a whole, some are going to open to provide business and to provide jobs for
those starving stomach.

That's the first thing that the government needs to address, they have to work on how to continue surviving, it's ain't going to work to
continue providing the needs of all the people within their jurisdiction, government funding even if they'll divert everything won't last long
to provide to every citizen inside the country.

It's the best thing to do and help not just the government but also ourselves to prevent being infected by this virus, anyway everyone
wants to survive.

And also, scientists have found that antibodies in the human body that fight infection last no more than 6 months. Thus, those 90% of people who have not only innate immunity, but may also consist of the number of people who have had the virus in a mild form, are still carriers of this virus and carry a certain risk for other people. Even if a person recovers, after six months he is again at risk.

These are just rumors. This "six months expiry" for antibodies is not yet proven. As of now, only 2-3 cases of Coronavirus re-infection have been reported. If the antibodies would last for just 6 months, then we would be having thousands (if not tens of thousands) of cases, especially from the countries which were hit earlier, such as China, Italy and Iran.

According to a conspiracy theory I read on Reddi, Corona Virus is an economical virus and will be very difficult to kill because they can be modified against any vaccine.
so it makes no sense to rely on vaccines to solve all the problems. What we should develop is the awareness of people going out into the activity. Masks, hand sanitizers should be produced with the highest possible quality in order to reverse the epidemic.
If vaccines were to be relied on, the general economy might have been in crisis before the epidemic could be pushed back. :)

It's a normal thing that virus modifies within time. They are constantly evolving as are our natural antibodies.
Due to this fact our bodies can create their own defenses against coronavirus, as it's already happening to most people in the world. Thinking this way a relaxed quarantine at this moment isn't so bad, as people have already been exposed to the virus for enough time to create their self defenses and of course, money is needed to survive, so the economy can't stop and people need to work.

However hygiene pactices are always a must with or without coronavirus and some activities listed on this thread such as prostitution aren't adviced as people are exposed to even worse diseases than corona.

Undoubtedly, after some time, the coronavirus will be on a par with seasonal acute respiratory infections and flu and can be easily carried by the majority of people. But this is a question of the future, and now the incidence of coronavirus is growing, so it is not surprising that countries are again beginning to tighten quarantine measures. I also don't like excessive quarantine measures that kill the economy, but the coronavirus infection is killing people and I'm not so sure that enough of the human population in countries has been infected with the coronavirus to develop collective immunity. Therefore, the government's measures and motives for the actions taken are also clear.

Knowledge will only become power if we know how to use it, we can prevent and reverse the growth of covid infection through proper hygiene and following the health protocols given by our government but there is a bad thing for me and it is the people who do not believe to the covid. They keep saying that it is scam and they do not have time to wear face masks. It is so sad seeing a lot of people are becoming infected because of the others who are not following strict health protocols. In our city, wearing masks are mandatory wherein you will be punished if the local enforcers saw you without wearing a masks. For me it is a good step by our local government unit because they really treat the virus as a threat.

The transportation system are already opening in my country and the people who are outside are keep increasing as the economy are opening again. By wearing face masks and face shield, there is a 99% chance that we cannot be infected by covid 19. Actually, I always have alcohol in my pocket whenever I go outside because I can be vulnerable to the virus because it is invisible and that is the main thing why it is really hard to fight the covid.

The pandemic had been causing too much damage already so opening the economy and talking about damage does not really matters now. What matters the most is that how one can survive if economy will not be open especially the third world country like us. The government could no longer support on continuing to give the financial support.

The fact is that, to save the economy from crash the ease has to come up, we all know with the ways it is going that the pandemic has not totally ended before the ease, but consider education in not well developed countries who cannot afford the full online schooling,how will the teachers survive and also other no work no pay organizations. Unfortunately, it has actually made the pandemic worse now in countries like u.k,france. Another lockdown has been declared.

The pandemic situation of a country may improve or worsen due to opening of economy. The question is very subjective as it varies depending on some factors which are:

1. Government imposing the safety precautions to its citizens.
2. Proper budget allocation of the national and local government.
3. Strength of the healthcare system of a country.
4. Discipline of the citizens.

Government imposing the safety precautions to its citizens

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The government must be strict in implementing the safety protocols most especially now that they have opened the economy. Impunity must have no place especially now that we’re in the middle of a pandemic. Unfortunately, here in our country, impunity is very evident. Most of those who are in government position and who holds power can usually escape the punishment for breaking the safety measures. It seems like the laws and regulations doesn’t apply to these kind of people, hence endangering the lives of many. It’s saddening because it feels like the law is only applicable to the poor. The laws regarding social distancing protocol, no mass gathering, and complete quarantine and isolation to those who undergone swab test and confirmed positive seems applicable to the common people only. If they would continue to be blind to those violators that hold power, pandemic situation would only go worse as the time pass by.


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The national and local government must have a proper budget allotment for the programs to combat covid-19 pandemic. During this trying times, the authorities must prioritize the needs of the people and not just some extravagant projects that could make their name famous or clean for the upcoming elections. If there are projects that has been on the line already, they always have the power to REALLOCATE so that the people can benefit from the taxes they’ve paid for. Now that majority have lost their jobs and still weren’t able to return to their work, the projects prioritized should be a band-aid or long-term solution that could help these struggling people. It really provokes me whenever I see projects not really important and beneficial during this pandemic. Those projects CAN ALWAYS WAIT after the pandemic, but they still chose to spend the tax of the people instead of addressing their concerns. This leads to worsening the pandemic since these people will do whatever it takes even if it means to cost their health just to bring food on their tables.


Strength of healthcare of a country

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Now that the higher ups decided to open the economy, it would be best if the healthcare system of a country has a strong foundation. The medical field should be given great support because they’re at the front lines of this dangerous battle. Enough Proper Protective Equipment, justifiable compensation, enough vitamins and nutritious meals, and respect must be given to them. Without them, we can’t really survive this pandemic. That’s why the things they need should be given without them having to ask and beg. If the healthcare of a country is not strong enough, it would really worsen the pandemic. Without the doctors, nurses, med techs, and scientists, covid-19 cases would continuously spike. Their jobs are really challenging, hence we should give proper treatment to them as well.


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Return of operations of businesses and establishments means more people roaming around the streets. This is where the discipline of the citizens would greatly matter. By simply following safety measures such as social distancing, wearing face masks and face shield, no eating, drinking, and talking on public transportation, would help a lot in preventing spread of covid-19 virus. By following the guidelines given by the authorities such as going on public markets on your place scheduled date, avoiding going out because of unnecessary things could definitely help in minimizing the spread of the virus. On the other hand, if the citizens exhibits lack of discipline, pandemic would totally worsen.

To be able to combat the covid-19 pandemic, it needs collaborative effort. If one fails to function accordingly, it will have a chain reaction. The opening of economy of a country doesn’t necessarily mean it can worsen the state of pandemic condition in a country.

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lucky for those countries that opening now and they only need to do is help each other and start a new life slowly and make it better day by day.

But what about those countries that having a "second lockdown"?

Now they cannot move forward because of this situation and risking their starting future to be reset again.

the good news is "LOCKDOWN" the second time is not as strict as the first time (during the "PANDEMIC" peak).  France, Germany, Italy, Netherlands, Ireland, England, and Austria have officially started the second "LOCKDOWN", schools are still open but only bars and restaurants are closed.  it could be said that the second "LOCKDOWN" this time will not have much of an impact on the economy (like the first "LOCKDOWN") so there's nothing to worry about..

European countries only have themselves to blame for this. They allowed the pubs and nightclubs to be opened and young people were roaming here and there without any sort of protective equipment. If they had adopted stricter measures, then this second wave could have avoided. None of the other geographies are witnessing this "second wave".

There is no worse problem even government slowly open the economy as long as the people will follow the health protocol to avoid spreading of virus and not to make pandemic worst again. We need to live and the economy need to recover even slowly that's why cooperation of everyone is highly needed this time that government decide to open the economy slowly.

Initially it was USA that never gave importance to the safety measures. Trump government was much focused on the economic growth, and the lack of precaution by the early days gave them a big blow. Further they started to blame China, that they're the real cause for the prevailing situation. Now the same is happening with European nations, government needs to act fast to get out of the worst days.

Completely agreed. It is like if you close out everything people will suffer with unemployment but if you allow movement and open shops, schools, etc then the risk is even bigger. The government is criticized when they force shutdowns and when they slowly open the lockdowns then people again complain.

It is quite simple, rich guys will complain about opening economy because they have enough to sit in their house and enjoy while poor people will criticize lockdowns as they need work to earn and feed their family.

It's not a rumor rather incomplete information because I have read on multiple occasions that the antibodies remain for at least 5-7 months which means it can last longer or it might not.

It is already worse, we are already not doing great and this "reopen" strategy was never something that intended to fix the pandemic anyway. The whole idea was the fact that economy can't handle people staying at home forever, we needed people go outside to work but not just go out to work, we should also go out to eat and drink and basically spend our money outside in order to keep the economy going.

If this brought in a lot more pandemic with it, that would be bad but as long as it was "not too bad", governments decided to take that risk. Nowadays you see people outside and numbers are increasing but it is not big enough that hospitals are filled with sick people who do not get better, that was the initial stage, nowadays people spend their time at home for 2 weeks and recover, that is what government was counting on.

The thing is that the economy need to open up, Covid is real but the agent of doom in the mass media keep fueling this. I believe in the model employed in Sweden, let immunity herd come into play and keep the elderly people in safe home, stop listening to these people and look at the data yourself you will know the truth

Same here, the economy isn't stable since the virus comes out. The pandemic is already affected in a second phase which is a neg sign for us again. But we have to cope up with the situation and do something for the economy. Otherwise, the country will face a big reserve problem very soon if it exists more. So the economy should be opened slowly by maintaining social distance obviously.

It will depend on the people if the will follow the minimum observe protocol definitely the virus could not be widely spread. But if people will be more relax while government trying to open the economy then another virus break out  going to happen. However, I am thinking a different thing is that the virus had already spread to everyone and that only affected are those people with low immune system against the virus and most us did not feel anything after getting the virus because the virus is not tha fatal. Still, being careful even others are not is a good way to prevent getting infected with the virus.

Unless Lancet or some of the other renowned medical journals confirm this, I am not going to give it much importance. All sort of rumors are circulating around related to the pandemic. The biggest problem has been the incompetent leadership of the World Health Organization (WHO), which is to be blamed for the rapid spread of the virus around the globe. Antibodies may, or may not remain after 6 months. But as of now, these are just rumors.

Well, the government needs human resources and most of the resources can't work from home. We just have to accept this reality that this is the new normal and we have to live with the virus till a vaccine comes out. There's no way we can just lock ourselves for indefinite period of time as this will not only be bad for economy but for psychological health of people as well!

Not just the people themselves.

There are still a lot of people that don't know how this virus is being transmitted from people to people the reason why they also need the help of the government. The government should not just depend on what the people need, they should also look at what will happen and what is needed to be done in the coming weeks and months. Right now, we are having this worst time that is like a nightmare. People are dying, people needed to be saved, I feel so helpless to see how bad this situation in Cagayan, Philippines right now. People needed help.