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Forum account: Maotezi (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2481603)
Amount scammed: 0.02BTC + 0.003BTC interest
TxID: https://www.blockchain.com/btc/tx/bf6351a97cb2843bcbc35d6466a7c4a3cf372f6e371773130364dcc3cbf81e5a
Repayment address: https://www.blockchain.com/btc/address/1GoyKr7PtkjK97zNfHo1NjjLardd1ZBa7y
Topic: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5281632.0

Maotezi asked for no-collateral loan and scammed ("I gambled that money (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5281632.msg55417734#msg55417734)") sbogovac (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=217199) for 0.02BTC, until sbogovac decide to create red flag against this scum, here is newbie flag:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;flag=2420

I support this flag even if the lender sbogovac (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=217199) is against it and he wants to give them a chance to return loan. we will very easily withdraw support to this flag if this case gets a positive ending.
OP I agree with you, borrow money for gambling is also unacceptable to me, "I'm looking for a solution on how to fix it" is not enough excuse.

Posting here to follow the topic in case I need to change my feedback.

If anyone like this loan defaulter get easy loans by using a member account then no doubt that loan defaulting chance is higher and it proved again.  I don't know how lending service provider took his decision to send the money and allowed a no collateral loan. Maybe he is thinking about his mistake now but damage has been done.

Flag supported from my end and loan defaulter's profile will be tagged shortly. Although i don't think chances of repayment is too low and defaulters explanations is pointing that clearly.

If defaulter repay the loan amount within next fee days still then he will not be trusted for any loan in the future IMO. I will add his profile information on "List of proven scammers" during next update. 

I have supported the flag. The reason is because of this
https://talkimg.com/images/2023/07/19/Zl9aC.png

There is zero chance that sbogovac will recover his loan. I have notice that kind of pattern before, where a scammer changes their email address after getting busted. I don't know why they do it thou.

Was it before or after?

Before: possibly hacked/bought account.
After: perp trying to pretend that there was a hack or some other issue.

They usually do it after they have been exposed. I have seen it happen mostly with loan defaulting profiles. The problem is it's hard to show an example since seclog doesn't record email address changes.

Flag supported, though it is difficult at this stage to determine why the email address linked to the accused account was changed. Only the Croatian local members might be able to dig up more info regarding this.

Anyway its my first time seeing the lender defend the defaulter. Maybe they made an inside deal to pay back later, but I know from my experience that few of such defaulters are honest enough to pay back maybe a year or two later while others just leave it to their karma.

I like this versatility of the flags to be able to be withdrawn or made inactive in future.

Here lender has good intentions and believes that everyone is honourable. Defaulter, in this case, know that and abundantly use his good will. probably gives him various promises and increasingly postpone the final day for payment. Unfortunately, I know of this method from personal experience.

No, I do not "believe[...] that everyone is honourable". Most people? Yes. Everyone? Definitely not.

But I do believe that everyone should be treated as being honourable until proven otherwise. As I have also explained in the local board, I have (literally) decades of trade & gambling experience. I have my own reasons for doing what I'm doing. I have said we were still negotiating and I have assured that I would be monitoring his posts to be sure he doesn't ask for another loan in the mean time. All I asked for was a bit of patience (that - again - I believe everyone deserves until proven otherwise).

Thanks for that! Really a nice gesture towards this (very senior) member of this community! Really heartwarming...  ;D

Some of you are supporting the flag, and that is fine if you want, but what if Maotezi still returns the loan?

Would you be so quick to remove your feedback and oppose the flag?

Or maybe you just want to burn the 'witch' :)

The flag acts as a warning in case he comes back requesting for another loan. It's not like the support for the flag or the negative feedbacks left are permanent, they can be retrieved or reversed anytime after the issue has been resolved so, it's not equivalent to burning the "witch"  :D

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How we all react to certain scenarios is quite different and I have no right to question your decision. I don't know how long you are willing to wait but I do hope the other party honors your gesture. Be rest assured, I will have fair judgement. For now, it's a preventive measure to avoid someone else becoming a victim.

We have flags and tags for that and flags can be easily withdrawn and tags removed when(if) Maotezi returns loan, but he is offline for last 4 days:

Name:    Maotezi
Last Active:    October 24, 2020, 06:43:59 PM

...and we are really talking about:

1) (obviously) addicted gambler
2) member account
3) $300

I honestly hope he will return loan and prove me wrong but I just don't think he will.

Yeah, I know. And I specifically said (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5281632.msg55417771#msg55417771) I didn't want to raise one yet. But you must be happy now.

Whatever. Obviously too late now. Thanks again!

Shit, don't blame me because someone scammed you. This is correct use of trust flags.

Hm, he won't return you money because I flagged his...huh...forum account? Well, that just doesn't make any sense, as I said, flags can be withdrawn and I've seen users returning loans after they've been flagged and tagged.

I never said that. What I did say: we were still negotiating. And your actions made those negotiations more or less useless. Thanks!

Oh, why? You can't negotiate because $10 worth member account is flagged? He can't return you money because of me? That's bullshit and you know it.

Btw, I raised flag after account was 3 days inactive.

Why? Please, for once... try not to be so triggerhappy and use your head. You might actually figure this out...

What was the last thing he could have given me and has been rendered utterly useless by your actions...?

I am not trigger happy, I raised flag against user who default loan.

I don't know, his member account? I can't read people's mind, you know...

You don't have to read people's minds if you would just read their request, stop and think for a moment who the person is who is requesting and proceed accordingly...

Anyway, all's too late now. Thanks once more. Over and out.

You are doing this again.

Blaming someone else for your own mistake.

Telling me that I should use my head but you didn't use your head while giving some random shitposter that loan.

And?

Then the topic will be updated by the OP and everyone will withdraw support of the flag. The opened flag will also be closed and all negative tags removed. This should go without saying here.

I cant speak for others but since I am following the topic and this section any update on the situation would end up quickly to my notice. But I am sure others will too, the last few might need a PM sent.
Not everyone here in the forum is like that. Most of the users are sensible enough.

I follow this case also in case of a positive outcome. I will be very happy to remove the tag if conditions occur.
OP is here right, flag and neg tags are just prevention that Maotezi does not attempt to take money from another member. Maybe it’s a problem because this now prevents him from getting involved in any paid campaign and he can't earn money to repay but this is a trust system here.

Maotezi was in 777coin signature campaign but he was "inactive" for 2 weeks and probably kicked out because of that. I checked spreadsheet (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1_EQZj-GQZikCHy_MRPm0NrQu7QrfpkMXSVSlz81C_Co/edit#gid=111072612) and payment structure:

60 posts max weekly, that is 240 posts a month and he could spam the hell out of forum and repay that loan in about 7-8 months.

Also, this is his third loan attempt, he tried to pull something similar here (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5104975.msg49533681#msg49533681) saying that he had car accident and he asked for loan to pay bills here (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5030169.msg52925297#msg52925297) but it turned out that he actually need money to gamble. I've also found this quoted post:
He doesn't give a fuck about this account.

Prior asking this loan he was inactive on the forum for 7 months. He obviously came back just to ask for this loan, and just  that is giant red flag, let alone his history of loan attempts



There were at least four loan attempts. Last October he asked me via PM 100 USD as he owed money to the "distributor". Beside sounding like a bullshit excuse to ask money, I found it kinda weird that he asked me as I was still new member, so I told him him to ask for one in the loan section. I wouldn't be surprised if he asked others the same.


I'm sorry to say that, but he is obviously a degenerate gambler. I've seen quite a few of those while working in gambling industry and they don't care much about anything really, let alone some low rank bitcointalk account.

Despite all that, I still hope he honors his deal and pay back the money he owes, despite chances of that being slim.