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Can someone balance me real quick, how do people get losses even though we know that Bitcoin is destined for growth?
is it because people are looking to buy and sell quickly which may result in a loss if market falls?
Because in my view i feel like buying and holding on to your bitcoin until its value has increased(which is an assured) will always set you for profits.

please correct me if im wrong...

And this could be a wrong idea and probably where you are wrong. If you keep thinking that bitcoin is destined for growth, you can keep losing. You should know that nothing stays the same way just like that and as bitcoin is a tradable commodity, you should know that there are times of fluctuation because of buy and sell orders. So it falls and rises too. Knowing that will help you to navigate to know when to hodl or dump based on the drops and rise.

You do get the right idea but its really not just right for you to think that everything can be assured in means of price increase.For long term aspect then most likely we would
able to make profits but the question is, do people have that very long patience to do so? I see not and thats why some will really be actively making up some trades
on short as time as possible by dealing or playing with market movements which we know that can potentially make out money in shortest time as possible.
We do have our own ways to make money and its up to someone neither he would decide to hold for long or would actively make up some trades but
of course with accompanied risk.

Holding bitcoin certainly brings profit to a person. But why do they still suffer loss? Its because they dont want to simply invest their money in bitcoin. They want to trade bitcoin in order to maximize the profit. However, only a few people can do that. Others dont even have knowledge and experience so as to make earn money weekly.

Moreover, some of them even try to use margin trade which is extremely dangerous to newbies. Without proficiency in this field, losing money is the only result. So, there is nothing to be surprised if people continue to lose money in trading even though bitcoin is anticipated to grow over years and years

There are more to trading with just the value of Bitcoin. There are multiple ways that you could potentially lose money.

• Trading with different coins and those coins losing in value
• Trading a position that is against the market flow
• Closing a position in a loss
• Many people choose to trade against it

Holding Bitcoin and just buying it is not the ”whole” trading experience is not how you would become a ”trader.” it's not easy to predict what could happen to the market, but you have different chances of profiting every time. Traders should be consistent.

Bitcoin is 11 years of old now and we still refer to it as a growing field, that's because it has not attained a global recognition and acceptance especially by governments of nations due to it's decentralized nature.
So yes, as a growing filed, it's value appreciates with time and as such, hoarding is one of the ways to rip with minimal risk but then, it takes a lot of patience and then, is that the most you can make out of that investment? It might seem like the best but then, some other user whom bought same amount can double or triple in profit while your still pissed on time. Not ruling out the fact that all could be lost by the way.
But then, you tend to run at a loss if you exhibit theses traits:

As a Hoarder: should you sell your just bought coin before the market booms or it rises, you loose. Here, patience is a key factor.

As a trader: should you take a trading position against the trend or enter trades without running proper analysis, get out of a loosing trend just because it ran a few pips against you and more, you loose. Here, your knowledge of the market and experience plays a key role.

As an investor: should you invest on Ponzi and scam platforms, should you invest in any platform without proper research on the platform, your at risk of loosing all your investments. Here, being skeptical, paying attention to details and proper investigation plays a vital role.

I hope it's helps and I beacon on everyone to seek details and know how before taking actions that involves your Bitcoin.

Same for me.
It was the right track on my mind.
Buy it, keep it.

Trading had so much risk. You can end up losing more in that method.
I thought before it was quick money to trade it because of volatility.
But without proper knowledge, it's not an easy task at all. Stay with what you can do. Don't force yourself into something you are not made of.

Those are traders and not a wise hodlers, so we cannot blame them if they want to have a faster profit than to hold their bitcoin and wait for the result of it. Also, not all hodlers are making money with bitcoin because of too much emotion they tend to sell some of them out of panic. There’s also no assurance that bitcoin will continue to go up, so again this is still a risk that you should manage and be willing to hold even if there’s no assurance.

Because they do day trading. If a person just holds bitcoin and he knows that in the future there will be more growth, he'll get to buy more bitcoins adding to his entire portfolio. But the other way of doing it is through trading, getting profits which will be the amount that will be used for buying more bitcoins. And in reality, there are only very few day traders that are winning in their trades. Having that curiosity, you should determine which action you must do, remain as a holder, be a day trader or you can do both without touching your holding.

Some did buy BTC at higher price that causes them losses, BTC price is volatile and been affected by many FUDS sin the past. Not all who  hold or trade bought BTC at low some where just due to hype it brings that makes them buy BTC that causes them to lose. Without knowledge how to trade properly and to choose other crypto to trade with it will be hard to recover losses by just waiting so there is a need to really know how to trade not just to hold so when the price seems not moving or too volatile we can decide whether to buy other alt or keep selling or buying.

You can't increase your bitcoin just by holding so people always keep improving their "buy low sell high" principle.

Since it's quite challenging to face the unpredictable and volatile crypto market, it's not that easy to increase our holdings.

There's no quick money even Bitcoin is destined for growth. You have to work for it.

Some incur losses because for example, they bought btc higher than what they are selling it. They are selling it for number of reasons - urgent need, fear that market will crash, looking for other crypto investments, etc. So at one point, they are losing because of some decisions that they need to take, whether they like it or not.

In my own insights of winning and losing in trading were just simple its because this is what tend to happen. I do believed that everything has a perfect timing that will going to happen in our life. Life were full of ups and downs and so even trading and investment. It doesn't mean that you're an expert trader now you will be able to win again and again. Even the very expert trader failed too in trading too. But the most important thing of what i am wanting to emphasize was to learned from those mistakes that we have been done.

 Trader losses because of basic reasons;
 
 

• Greed - when btc's price goes up, our greed mind tells us to wait more because it will pump more and market is unpredictable otherwise it goes yhe opposite.
   
• Panic- bitcoin suddenly drops and our panic emotions are telling us to sell it quickly (whether deficit or not)
   
• No patience- there are many times we were stucked and hanged and patience were tested but most of the time it is failed because we wanted to acquite profits immediately which is definitely noy a good idea.
   
   
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  Because in my view i feel like buying and holding on to your bitcoin until its value has increased(which is an assured) will always set you for profits.
  
   Traders have different point of views. Especially when you are in a situation wherein you don't have cut losses (leverage trading) and don't want to take a risk of waiting forever. I mean, like having a long entry and btc sudden drops and make it a short and clearly it will continue to go down, will you not sell off your btc to at least save up half of your capital?
   
   On the other hand, if you are telling us to wait until btc rise up (which is effective if you are a long term trader and holder), then that is the best way to do-- wait until target profit reached.

Losing is normal in this market.

Whenever know what will happen with the prices and the indicators that you might see in the price chart might lead you to wrong decisions. There are a lot of things that could lead to losses and one of them is being impatient that they immediately sell what they hold, another one is panic selling when the price went down unexpectedly.

Different people have different purposes for why they sold coins.

Sometimes, there will be a time that a person will sell their coins even at a loss because they want quick money either urgent or emergency, or in case of a downtrend, they don't want to see their portfolio holding decreasing the value.

Bitcoin is destined for growth but it's not happening overnight. Let people do whatever they want to their bitcoin as it needs to be circulated.

If you don't want to lose money then you should not invest in the first place because your profit in cryptomarket is not guaranteed even if you hold bitcoin. Perfect timing is what you need in this market, and knowing when to buy and sell is important but never expect to have a consistent profit because cryptocurrency is too volatile. Hold bitcoin with your target price, and don't be greedy especially if you have the chance to take profit.

Actually he has a point. If all traders consider the steady growth of BTC price, no one will ever loss especially if no one do swing trade or day trading. But this is impossible to attain since most of the traders used indicators which shows sign if ever there is an overbought.

In trading, You will not lose until you sold unless you are on leverage trading. Many of traders that burned is due to leverage trading and not on the regular buy and sell of bitcoin.

There is a misconception in the market like this where people think that it is a guarantee profit if they will purchase or make investment in bitcoin. That is not true and it is the reason why 90% of the investors and traders are losing money in the market. The price of the bitcoin is not increasing like a stairway, there are pullbacks and retracement that are happening and it is the reason why there are people who incurring losses. There are always right time to buy and sell in terms of investing and trading, you cannot just put your money without prior knowledge on what you are doing. I always saying for those traders that invest in your knowledge in order to minimize the losses and maximize the returns that may get from the market. Also know that holding asset or any cryptocurrency doesn't mean that it will give you profit, there are a lot people who are losing because of holding so always do a better decision with backup of concepts and ideas.

There are a lot of greedy people out there, especially those people who are buying Bitcoins because they know it will help them to get rich without knowing what really Bitcoin is. They want to earn a huge return in just a short period of time, that's why they are ended getting rekt.
When entering on trading, we should really learn and very careful because we all know trading is really risky!

People get losses in trading when they don't know where is their target sell, so they still hold the coin and expect the price can increase higher. If people buy and sell quickly, they need to have the target sell so that they can sell it right away at the high price. But you can use a stop-loss feature that is available at the exchanges, so when the price drops too fast, your order sell will be filled as soon as possible before the price reaches the lower price.

But if you don't want to sell even if the price is down, you don't have panic, and you only buy more bitcoin at a lower price and hold it again. That will be different for other coins, but the point will be the same.

There are quite a few factors which will determine the loss of any investor or trader in crypto scene. It could start with investing in even legit altcoins or more likely a scam coin. Since the market is highly decentralized, we can never predict on what factors does alts or bitcoin rise in numbers. Many consistently compare crypto market with stock market which isn't the case. In stocks a gain in momentum occurs only when the company is able to achieve a certain set of goals set by them thereby gaining the investor trust. But in bitcoin or other alt market, we could never expect as similar to that because of the decentralized nature of these crypto currencies. Back in the mid of 2019, facebook announced they are creating a new digital currency and the market reached its hype and similarly in 2020 March we faced a setback because of the pandemic. Eventhough they are related to an extent, the 2018 dump was unexpected and we still don't have a clear reason for it.

If you believe in bitcoin as a long term asset for your future generation, invest in them no matter at what price they are. With the deflationary nature of btc, it will keep gaining the momentum gradually and would never get back to its bottom like $100 or $500 as it was like in 2014 or 2016. If you have a short mind i.e willing to cash out immediate profits or need a lottery like gambling, never invest in bitcoin. Bitcoin is not a currency for you to gamble or get immediate profits, go and trade alts (more particularly DeFi coins) instead. We can face setback even during alt pumps, i.e I invested $50 once in STMX as soon as Bittrex CEO joined them and another time when Walmart started accepting their currencies. But unknowingly they failed to pump and I lost atleast half of what I invested.

Summarizing these :

1. If you believe in the potential of bitcoin : Invest regularly atleast once in a month and hodl them for the future generations to come

2. If you are gambling with your money : Invest in alts and ride in the ocean of scams.

If you can buy Bitcoin and hold it for long, and you happen to be lucky, based on what I have seen you will make profit. But everyone will always pass through that level where they will experience losses. Though the good thing about being a long-term investor is that your analysis was right and you have happened to buy at a deep, even the price should go down, as you continue to hold it, it will recover with time.

But for day traders, they are trying to make profit every minute, every hour, so they are steady trading and if you’re not good at it, it’s going to be a steady loss for you.

Anyone can benefit from bitcoin trading and investing. But to get the most out of bitcoin will not continue to repeat if it does not improve the skill and strategy in investing. I think learning some important basics about cryptocurrency itself can be a supply of knowledge.
Especially if you want to learn to circulate and the total supply of coins that want to be purchased, this can be a reference in buying a coin so it can add confidence and not be afraid to make mistakes if it knows the potential of the coin.

People suffer losses because of no patience to stay in Bitcoin. Those who truly believe in the growth of bitcoin able to wait for the price to increase and also some able to accumulate until it reached their target price to sell. So some wants for a quick profit that they do day trading and suffer loses. If they know the big opportunity in this industry they will be patiently hold and will accumulate more btc even the price is low.

Trading is risky for those who do not understand the foundation and the basics, actually the real foundation of the trading is understanding the price action and also knowing how to plot the important levels like support and resistance. A lot of people are losing in trading because they are just buying without any backup ideas. It only become risky if a certain trader enter trading without prior education. For those who want to become successful traders out there, manage your risks and make sure that you have plan before you will enter in a certain trade.

Risk in trading will only increase if you have no certain education and background on what it is. The risk will be lessen through experiences. And for those who keep losing, treat is an opportunity to grow and do not quit in trading because you will not regain the losses that you incurred if you quit on trading.

Some want to increase their BTC holding, and they trade it with other altcoins pairs. Either BTC move up or down, all these altcoins get crushed resulting in a massive loss.

What you describing here is actual day trading and yes people tend loose it because they get overexcited while making their profits and loose in the greed or zero patience.

On the other hand, I assume you made statement mentioning that Bitcoin is destined to grow is in association with the fact that everyone must hold the bitcoin and wait for the right opportunity.

Well this strategy is called as HODL, and it requires tremendous amount of patience. Considering both parts parts are different they have their own pros and cons. Not everyone benefits from the both, either way it's upto person-person how they do it.

There are risks in trading. If the market is analyzed well Trading losses is possible to avoid even a little bit of risk. There are many greedy people who invest all the currencies to get more money without knowing anything about the market in which case they have to learn the trade first in order to get something better because of the higher risk. There is a lot of volatility in the market which always puts a trader at risk. The market sometimes behaves in an unreasonable and unrealistic manner for which all traders must be careful.

There is always risk in everything, we just need to be selective, if we can't avoid it just do everything to minimize the losses by research about the current trend of the coin , reading charts, understand the candlesticks, and look for other speculations as well. It can help us not to lose or minimize it.

Agree. Losses are inevitable so what will you do? The best course of action is to at least minimize it. Trading losses can be minimized through risk management. This is a must-have skill for traders. also, you can have this feeling that if the trade is not right or does not meet the criteria for your trade, don't do it. There's always opportunity in the market so don't be afraid to miss one.

I would say you could combine these two points together to make a portfolio which has been a thing I have loved doing for years now. I do believe in bitcoin and I have invested into bitcoin heavily so far, most of my money (over 80% now with the increase) is in bitcoin and I will not change that, my aim is to have as much bitcoin as possible until I retire which requires me to keep this number at 80% or so level for a good future. I do have about 10% of it on ETH which is another great coin that I admire and believe in the future, "may" increase it in the future with eth 2.0 but haven't decided yet.

The rest of 10% goes to silly coins, they are not really anything but fun, I have not really made any serious money with them, few of them in the past made a bit but nothing really crazy, it is just like 10% experiment deal for me. So, both strategies could be implemented together if you are careful enough.

There are different sets of traders, which are the day traders and the long term traders, the days traders sells out as many as they can in a day whereas long terms sells out once I.e after holding for a long time. In these cases, if you bought bitcoin with your fiat currency at $10,000, a day trader gambles with the btc while getting little profit or losing in little amount too continuously until it reach its limits, also long term one holds on the bitcoin till it reaches 200%+ before hitting sell on the market, that's how the system works.
So conclusively the both sets you on profit, but the case of day trading requires you to be smart enough to know the trading strategy and skills behind that's while beginners are said to practice to hold on bitcoin till it increases.

Altcoins have not been profiting by hodling it. It drops down faster than you will realize it. Trading altcoins are better in profit for the trader and for the coin because as trading is recorded for the altcoin, its volume also increase but many are scared to trade their altcoins and prefer to hodl, at the end no profit to it.

Buying at low, sell at high. Actually, there is no wrong with that and for that kind of strategy, you will still be earning.
What might wrong with this is that they never make a record for their investment in which they can see if they are already profiting, if this is a time to sell, or the big possibility is that, they are impatient people.

It was really hard to make good in trading, become profitable if in our mind is different. We need to set our goal and stick to it otherwise, you'll go nowhere and have loose ends. It is very important to clearly know what we are doing so everything will be guided and succeeded.

Holding altcoins not always that bad , for example when you holding your xzc in late 2016 where the price is at $0.3 and make a cashout for profit in late 2017 for $120 in all time high , you are 400 times in profit! You just need to know when to have taking profit and move into a new altcoins as yeah altcoins most of the times didn't go further after hit the all time high , pretty different to bitcoin that always looking for a new all time high all the time.

But well yeah hodling for long time isn't advisable for latcoins though, losing in trading is just normal , making a comeback out of that losses , that is the difference between a newcomer and the experienced pro one

What you have explained here is what's called HODL which is being down for long term, it can be for months or a year, and not everyone does that. For some people is a different case, they prefer to trade daily and be making profits daily, so this will sometimes, for some of them, result to a loss because their experience and skills are lacking.

The Hodl you have mentioned doesn't require much work, though you need serious planning , if you buy in at the wrong time you're going to be losing as well, but I believe those who lost when the price was at its peak some years back will be able to recover their money if they can wait now.

What do you do on your trading?
Just a spot trading or margin trading?.

If you are going into spot trading one of the best technique I can give is to buy low and selling high the coin if you already gained profit also one of the effective ways is to buy a coin every time it dumps (base on my experience it works ) well this is just IMO also you can try another technique.

If you are into a margin trading this might be riskier if you don't have knowledge regarding the price movement and using of technical indicators they are the one who is giving you a sign what is the next trend.

I think if you still losing a large amount of money right now you may need to make changes to all the things you need to earn a profit. Find some effective way to earn profit which is suitable for your strategy.

sad  but its happening. It is truly a sacrifice doing these trade to altcoin pair but some also got lucky. But most is not lucky enough and burn their holdings. Knowledge of analysis tools is indeed important, better to invest  time and knowledge on these.

If you want to trade, be prepared for the consequences of losses. When you buy, you have a set time limit that you set yourself to hold and must sell it at the right time (either up or down).

If you want BTC to profit on the basis of believing it will grow, then hold BTC for a long time with patience. However, when you start also matters.

they trade using bitcoin they have , but unfortunately they wrong analizing coin in portofolio . for traders that have no enough skill its better to hold bitcoin or ethereum that have lower risk if use it to trade.

loss must calculated before we trading, it will happen to us so making trading journal will help us to face and minimize it.

There could be multiple reasons why a trader is facing losses even with bitcoin market. You must note down, only bitcoin investments in long-term will be 100% profitable but if you're trying to trade bitcoins then you might get your technical part failed because of unpredictable wild volatile nature of bitcoin markets.

In simple words, if you invest with bitcoins then there are definite chances to be profitable in the long run whereas trading bitcoins especially with the leverage might get you losses 9 out of 10 attempts.

One possible solution could be, you may try to trade bitcoins but only in spot market but with the plans of converting your trades into investment if market is not going in your direction. It means you may trade as per your expectation and in unexpected situations at least in short-term you can get profits.

During my life I have read many books about trading and if I was to write one the very first thing that I will explain will be that in order for anyone to turn a profit then someone else needs to incur losses, the markets are a zero sum game, if a trader has 10 dollars and a second trader has 8 dollars and the second trader eventually finds itself with 12 dollars then that must mean that the first trader lost 4 dollars and now is only holding 6, and technically speaking he should be holding even less than that due to the exchange fees.

So if you are making profits while you are holding your coins then that means that someone else sold their bitcoin for a bad price at a bad moment and you and other people are the fortunate winners of their bad calls.

Every decision has a corresponding result. Some traders had suffered losses because they want it to happen. Making a profit is the main goal of traders why they have to take the risk but can't deny as well that some people lost their confidence and make decisions that can harm themselves. This is to say not all have been in trading are meant to succeed but some of them also are destined to fail. And certainly, this is not the place for weak hands people who easily change their mindset once see's red lines.

Here's what make it trading, whwn you're selling there must be someone willing to buy and when you're buying, there also has to be someone willing to sell at that price. Therefore in every point of a buy or sell in the market, someone is likely marking a decision that isn't going in the direction although f the market. He/she is betting against the market either it'll dump or raise higher meaning there will always be someone in a loss.

Understandable what you highlighted can be achieved but then you won't have to be a trader but an Investors as they're the set of users that rely their investment success mainly on patience and not smartness as they traders try to do with their skills and probably other valuable knowledge they must have acquired as a result of heir years of experience in the market. We also have other advance trading technique that traders leverage on like margin trading and contract which can either favour them or not.

Bitcoin price is destined for growth "in the long run". There are people who buys at higher price, and when they see the price dropping, they become anxious and ends up selling everything they had, thus making a substantial loss. If only people knew that when the price drops, the number of coins they are holding is still the same and he/she hasn't incurred any loss. You only make a loss when you SELL it as lower price. And then there are altcoin traders. They invest in those shitcoins by trading bitcoin. Those shitcoins price gets dumped. The coin dies and the person loses his bitcoin.

Holding Bitcoins won't give you gurantee that in future the price will rise high and you will yield huge profits.
Rather the price of Bitcoin, depends upon their users.
Bitcoins follow the policy of supply and demand. There is a fixed amount of supply and in future if the demand is more then only the price will rise and you will get Profit.
If the vice versa happens, be ready to get into debts.

And i too also suggest people to hold stable Coins to gain minimal loss , else if you choose volatile coins then surely loss will sit on your head.

That is why you lose in trading because of thinking that bitcoin will stay on increasing, that is not true it can still go down, there is no right prediction about the movement of the bitcoin, maybe you should learn more things about cryptocurrency, try to gain more knowledge through searching in their internet or watching some tutorials on youtube or better learn from this forum. If the bitcoin will only stay on increasing then probably its value is almost a million and there would be no investment and trading for it.

There is luck in trading but professional traders especially those who are consistently making profit from the market are not depending on luck. People think that you can gain huge money if you will depend on luck especially the new people in the market but it is not true because the real secret in trading is mastery of the strategies and also many experiences in the market. Those people think that professional traders are so lucky and it is the reason why they became profitable, I can considered it as a myth because professional traders are also experiencing losses but they have good risk management and it is the reason why they manage to have small losses only. Holding or buying bitcoin doesn't guarantee that we are going to have a profit, it is one of the misconception that I wanted to remove because those who are not yet have foundation think that they will easily gain profit if they put money on bitcoin. 

^ Definitely right, probably it will work if OP will hold for a long time and that is what we called, trading for a long term purpose. All you have to do is to wait when the market increases the price. We all know that trading is very risky in making money due to the very volatile market we don't know where the bitcoin price heading at. People use this strategy in trading, just buy when the price drops and sell when the price is up to cut your profit immediately, but until when you will wait for this kind of strategy since you can't predict the market price. Nevertheless, I rather choose to hold for the long term and wait until my profit was there.

This involves counting human psychology when trading. Because they cannot hold their stance, they are often intimidated by the crowd and must act blindly. That is why new traders often lose a lot before they can make a lot of money.
Not only does Fomo make traders lose money, it also depends on human greed. as long as you are greedy for one more second the risk of your portfolio will increase again. That is the experience I learned in 3 years trading in the crypto market.

Yupp that's true, the cost to become a proper trader is expensive but worth it. So you should never give up on making money through trading as long as you learn it in the right way, i mean not to continuously trade like a cowboy to buy here and there randomly in hopes it would go up for no reason, no that's not trading at all.
Even when you think you have mastered every single technique, there always a time for you to get some losses, well that's normal.

To make a big difference between the real trader and the real loser is , the action you take after you see yourself in unacceptable losses.

 ;D This can't happen. If bitcoin stays steady for only increase and no decrease, it means the earth will be stable and no sun, rain or change of weather. A trader should always expect a decrease and increase even as human beings have the times they get happy and sad, so we should take care of our trade management.

The problem with making a decision is that no one knows where the high price of bitcoin is located. Therefore, when we sell bitcoin and see that its price increases further, we buy BTC again at a higher price, and at this point its price drops sharply. And we are again selling bitcoin at a price that is lower than what we bought. And this continues all the time until we run out of money or start learning technical analysis.

Bitcoin is not just buy and hold waiting for market to change before supply to market. Sometimes is very good for trader to observe the season, if it's the right time to buy and hold for market to change hand or not to buy in high price that will lead to loss.
Buy when the price is low and hold till the price is high to enable you have a good income from your trade. Many people lose their profit because they fail to observe the time to buy and hold for market to change before supply.

The million dollar question must be how to spot the "low" price. Unlike it sounds easier, it would be much harder to get into relatively low price levels.

One possible solution to spot lower prices must be, continuous buying with fixed timeframe. If you keep on buying then there are a lot of chances for getting your some 10% of holding at low prices and other portions will be spreading across high to low price levels. But this is how professional traders are getting lower prices but instead of fixed timeframe, they must be making use of technical analysis.

When you keep on buying at all possible low price levels, then the chances are minimizing losses will be very high. Because, you are spreading the your risks across market fluctuations which will be getting you definite profits but for this method, you must have very big capital or continuous capital to buy time to time.

Everything is correct. In general, bitcoin should grow, although there are no guarantees, there are a lot of extraneous factors that influence the process.
However, if you buy bitcoin and do not touch it for 10 years, it will most likely increase in value significantly. To check this, imagine that 10 years ago you bought bitcoin and sold it just now. Net profit, but on a 10-year basis.
Trading implies profit here and now.

Good point, if for long term investment then the statement is correct. But not all traders are like that most are aiming for
short term gains and trying to get a quick benefits.

Those who failed riding with right train are losers because of volatilities, many thinks that it's an easy access and they keep playing with the trends not realizing that there are many factors that affects certain movements.

And moving back to OP, as long as you are treating this as good long term investment, whatever value
you begin to buy your coin, eventually it will rise and bring you decent profits.

The people who lose money investing in bitcoin are the ones who can't wait for the price to go up. When the price goes down they panic and sell it. It was a fatal mistake. if bitcoin price goes down it's time to buy. don't buy when the price is high.
Buying and selling bitcoin quickly requires a scalping strategy or method to make a profit. Large capital is also needed so that the benefits obtained are also greater.

Buying and holding bitcoin until the price goes up and high is a good choice, but what you need to do is buy when the price of bitcoin is at its lowest price, so it's a safe position.

No one will get losses if they are buying at the right price (low) and sell it at the right price as well(high). Nothing wrong with that strategy, but the most common mistakes that a trader loses they are driven by their bad emotions. Impatient people will never succeed in this kind of investment. Because what I usually observed is that many were investing Bitcoin when the price is growing up unlike during the bear season. I'm not saying this is a wrong idea but particularly not a good time when buying because dumps will commonly to show and the sad thing is that, these people will sell immediately their Bitcoin with losses.

It is destined to be growth yet there is no specific time for that to happen. There is no so called "one direction in the market". There are always ups and downs. No matter how we avoid it, losses in our capital will always be happen. Look at 2017 crashed, there are many people who had been disappointed in bitcoin. And if you hold bitcoin, probably you will be upset when you see how bitcoin slowly dying during 2018 bear season. If you want to be successful in trading, you have to know where to buy, hold and sell your position.

People are exactly right, bitcoin is destined to go up in the long run and not every day, tomorrow it could fall but I know in 10 years it will be higher, which creates a problem with traders who lose money because they trade constantly. Would I do something like that daily?

I am not sure, but do I understand those people? Definitely. If you buy and hold you are going to make a profit for example if you bought at the start of just this year, you would have made over double of your profit, which shows you how great it is to buy and sell.

But, how about if you sold at 7k, rebought at 4k, sold at 12k when it hit there, rebought at 10k and sold now over 15k? I know you can't always be right like that but if you did that you would have made insane amount of money, even quadruple your investment. They try to do this, they fail most of the time but this is their goal.

belief in the ability to analyze is sometimes underestimated and not continuously honed in order to continue to learn from mistakes that may have been made and not to do it again. It is true what you are saying that buy when prices fall and sell when you are sure to make a profit.
much seen is impatience for each execution of what steps will be taken. panic will certainly make what will be done can be irrelevant to the actual situation. and the incident is always repeated so that things can no longer be tolerated.

While some traders bought at peak thinking that the price will continue to trend upward  just like the recent peak at $15900+ in the period of US election, imagine a buyer who bought at that price zone will be in red now, that is where charting analysis experience is needed so as to have an edge over the market, while its quite difficult for a newbie to day trade Bitcoin, the best bet for a newbie is to buy at low and hodl while waiting patiently for a pump and sell to earn profits.

The one who bought at the peak or at the top of the price are usually those who did a FOMO wherein they thought that the price will increase more. That's why understanding the price action is important, the election can be also a factor wherein Joe finally reached the 270 electoral votes and it affect a lot of market especially the stock and indices market. There is a price correction that happened exactly when the news arrived where Biden finally won. I advise other to trade at their own risk but they should make sure that they have plan that they can use in order to know the perfect entry and perfect exit.

Day trading must be too difficult for everyone usually; the way of trading you just suggested, must be a more appropriate way of trading from beginners to professional traders these days. When volatility is not under predictable level, we cannot have any other help except holding for days to week. Bitcoin market is always known for getting us enormous profit when we are opting for holding for years. So, day-trading vs years-of-holding is the key thing here.

Getting into FOMO must be unavoidable practice these days, it seems. Even you are too good with your technical analysis part, your emotions may lead you to get into FOMO at any time because price action is that much lucrative natured one to distribute your patience and all other emotions.

But, if you are trading only bitcoins then you never need to worry about getting into FOMO, because price will test peaks for sure so that you can exit with profits but if you are able to hold down your nerves.

Certainly you are having the wrong concept and idea on how the price of Bitcoin changes over time. It is not intended to just get into growth in terms of price because any type of currency, fiat and crypto does not work like that. The changes on the market allows for the price to have correction experiencing ups and downs on the prices of any currency within the market. Bitcoin is not certainly destined to experience growth because it is still a currency and not any kind of individual to have its own destiny. The pricing of it is affected by many contributing factors that affects how the price changes over time. People do experience trade losses because of duly wrong choices or decision they are making starting of on choosing the crypto as well as the way they react on how they supposedly manage their trades with sudden changes.

People do not look at bitcoin the same way all the time, our views of bitcoin changes over time constantly, sometimes goes back to what it was and sometimes becomes much different. I started it out because I hated banks and I wanted my money to be in bitcoin, I moved into seeing it as a way to get paid globally for work I would do, it moved into investment and now it is more about freedom and not being tied to regular fiat world anymore.

All of these affects your trading as well, when you look at bitcoin differently you also trade it differently as well, when you look at bitcoin one way you trade it more frequently, when you look at it another way you hold it and not trade or maybe just sell. So basically what you think bitcoin is, would also be answer to what type of trading you would do.

Market is a something that can change at anytime,anyday that no people can predict positively. During lockdown many investors loss so much because of the virus that was spreading all over the market that was causing people not to come to market to buy, which also reduce demand in the market. Many have not yet recover from their loss during the pandemic which is still making them fear to trade before the end of this year 2020.
Many that use lockdown as an opportunity for them to release their coins that they have been holding over 2 year, really experienced loss from their trade. 

It all varies on how you do look on it and what you do believe on it and i agree that it do really change up depending on the situation you are into.
There are situations in life which you would really changed up some minds where you do hold some bitcoin but there are instances or emergencies
which you do need to cash out some of it and also it varies on your needs because transactions can be made without any hiccups or spending too much
fees.. Trading is one of the most common way to earn money but it isnt simple as it sounds and this is where majority do have wrong perception
towards it.

Trading losses are very reasonable when trading, it is part of the job, even though you are an expert,
trading losses will always be with us, lose and win are options for us, if you want not to experience big losses,
then you have to be smart about management your money.

Well it's why some people say that you need to have a lot of patience for trading! How people lose money, they buy and sell in the wrong time, with loses, because most of them wanted fast cash. It's basically a game of waiting, you can buy in anytime and if you wait long enough you will get your profit! I am sure that people who bought at 20k in 2017 will get their profit in years to come! Of course if they waited with their bitcoins, if they sold at 3k last year, can you imagine what loss is that?!
So "holding on to bitcoin until its value increase" is possible, but it means that you really want to hold and you are ready to wait month or year, maybe longer... if you have weak hands you will sell when the price start dropping with loss.

Big and middle level traders did made a loss as well, I know plenty of people in a group that has 50+ bitcoins (which I know is not the rich people you think but it is still quite rich) and they have lost a lot of money during that period as well.

Do not forget that traders in crypto world usually do not trade with money from some company or corporation, they usually trade with their own money which means if there is a pandemic and if they are not doing well with their finances, that means they may have to cash out some of their money to pay for their urgent needs. Obviously a lot of people lost their jobs, and some of these people had their income and lived with that and on top of that had bitcoin saving aside, when their job was gone their income was gone so only money they had was their bitcoin, so when bitcoin dropped to 5k, they had to sell anyway to cover their expenses.

Not everyone can be patient in the world of trading, this can be seen when new coins go up a little, they are immediately sold, and vice versa when the coins go down they are very panicked and sell at low prices. Indeed, to get big profits in the world of trading requires a lot of patience, If you are too reckless when you sell or buy, this will certainly greatly affect how much capital we have to spend and the loss will continue to decrease. It is better if before you are active in trading, you have to go to the extent of patience in dealing with very complicated things in the trading world, including when coins suddenly rise so drastically and fall too fast.

It's a natural habit of business. Trading is a system that is not see as secure by the market. There may make profit or loss depends on market, risk, time, types, overall depends on the situation. Trading loss commonly depends on the failure to risk identified, lacking patients, world economy, inflation, etc. To prevent this before getting on market one should have to well understand about market.

Losses are part of investing and trading.

There is no way that you can avoid or not experience loss, as I said, it is a part of it. Professional investors and traders that know what they are doing also experience losses since they can't actually control or manipulate the market, what they can do is to lessen the losses if they can predict what will happen or if it is starting to happen.

The people who don't enter with the mindset that there may be a loss are the ones who usually fair the worst. Be disciplined and make a plan before you purchase. Set down rules for how much to sell and when to sell - in both profit and loss scenarios. This way you don't let your emotions of doom or moon take over. Failing to sell on a large slide back an eating the loss on BTC from 20K to 3K is fine if you were expecting that - people who didn't probably gave up and sold at 3k because lack of plan.

A good trader should have good mindset, how can we say that we have a good mindset as a trader? It is simple if we have certain rules and we follow it very well. Those good trader have a good mindset that makes them to be consistent making money in the market. They understand that there is no sure profit in the market and the understand that losses are really inevitable. They cannot really avoid losses but they can prevent them to suffer in huge losses because they have rules and part of the rules is by managing their risks very well.

it's not wrong to be a HODLER, because surely the Bitcoin price will continue to increase...
which is my question, have you ever felt a loss? if not then you need to feel it just once. Trading is actually very simple, the formula = only buy when the price is low and sell when the price is high, if you sell at a low price when you buy it at a high price then you lose.

This is a common practice of crypto users. Everyone wants to increase the amount of their bitcoin then they are attracted towards trading. Everyone who comes to trade comes to trade with their own money, so they know very well which one will be better for them.

Those who are inexperienced in trading prefer to hold. Again those who have enough experience in trading and prefer day trading can make good profit by trading bitcoin. So the main thing here is that in the case of experience trading, if you trade without experience, losses are inevitable.

How people do lose their money? This do surely excludes to those who held up their coins but to think that there are type of investors who do make some active trades which means
they do actively buy and sell and in result neither they do cut loss or not then selling out on negative will surely ending up on losses which is basic but if you do really meant for bitcoin
to be held up for long term then theres no point on selling it on the first place but people do have different trading behaviors and set of goals thats why its counted as losses when it
deducted into your trading balance or capital.

1. Buy/sell it at the wrong time.
2. Day-trader did the wrong choice and actually it's also on the point 1. They also choose the wrong time to trade.

It doesn't matter if the market liquidity is really high thus doesn't make the price too volatile at that time. That is why you have to choose the high liquidity coins to avoid this problem.

Those who also have experience  also like to hodl a valuable coin. It depends on the coin too and the time and chance the person has. If you don't like a coin, you can decide to just hodl it or sell it out. Trading takes a lot of time and this is a challenge to traders.

Most people, myself included, are simply incapable of following their own plans. The cryptocurrency market is very tricky.
Every time your plan is realized, and you forget that now is the very moment that you predicted, undefined factors arise that tell you that you need to wait a little bit, what could be even better. And you are waiting.
That ultimately leads to losses and results other than the most effective.

I mean, trading is not for everyone. Those who come to do trade come with enough time to trade. Trading and hodl is everyone's personal choice. It is natural that everyone will give priority to their own decision. However, I would say that those who have no knowledge of trading and no experience, it is beneficial to stay away from trading. Only hodl is the best option for them.

Actually OP was wondering when everyone knows and agrees that BTC is going to grow in future and the price always increase later if not sooner then how are people still having loss with trading.

I believe the basic reason why people are having loss despite knowing BTC is going to go up is because of two reasons mainly.

1 They are trading altcoins: We all know how destructive and implosive the altcoin market is and it takes one mistake to lose all your capital to a scam coin.

2- Day Trading: A lot of people sell and buy BTC at different prices and earn so sometimes when during a bearish run people have to execute trades at loss despite knowing that if they can wait a week or month they might get better value, they need that money to next trades so they have to accept loss.

There are many things that make us lose money when trading Bitcoin, even though we all know Bitcoin continues to grow. Usually people
who experience losses because they buy Bitcoin at a high price and can't patience for the Bitcoin price to rise even higher. Another thing is
that the person uses margin trading which does have a high enough risk, even though that person does not have a good knowledge of Bitcoin
trading. Next people often experience losses because they are greedy to get bigger profits, then missed the opportunity to sell Bitcoin when
the Bitcoin price went up.

More precisely, a lack of strategy and knowledge of the trades being carried out. Newbies who are new to bitcoin investing will continue to think about how much profit will be made if the price of bitcoin continues to grow. They do not know that Bitcoin is very volatile, which of course will provide large profits or vice versa with very large losses.
They were impatient and panicked too much when bitcoin prices fell by a few percent.
To overcome trading losses on bitcoin, basic education is needed about bitcoin trading and of course a good mental state and not too greedy.

That is a reality when you don't have a plan to follow. You'll be going nowhere for sure but if you have a certain goal, everything you'll do will guide accordingly and of course, there is a huge difference from an impatient person to the people who are willing to wait and risk their money. Thar word instant is nowhere to find, yeah, and that it never exist out from the reality.

The markety is so tricky but not a thing we need to think about. If you have the capability to adopt the system, you can simply think that this is not a trick but this is how the market behaves.