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My partner has a 94 year old friend. She is healthy and active, and has an alert mind. She has no health issues other than poor eyesight. Her daughter pushed her into having the Covid vaccine, even though she is self-isolating and gas no symptoms. Within 5 days she has been rushed to hospital with diarrhoea and other medical problems. This is yet another case of the murderous so-called health services that are pushing their poisons to enrich the pharma companies.

Diarrhea is apparently one of the side effects of the vaccines among other conditions which might have contributed to the deaths of some folks in Norway, see here - https://www.bmj.com/content/372/bmj.n149

It's a bit unfortunate because the vaccine is generally safe but some people will inevitably get adverse reactions which might hurt them.

How do you know it is safe? It hasn't been around for long enough to be tested adequately/

Why would you want to give it to a healthy person? The virus isn't serious enough to bother anyone that has decent immunity.

How do you know it is dangerous? It hasn't been around long enough to be tested adequately/

Why wouldn't you want to vaccinate a healthy person? The virus is kills plenty healthy people.

Your 94 year old friend has a >20% chance of death if she catches the virus. Source: https://ourworldindata.org/mortality-risk-covid#case-fatality-rate-of-covid-19-by-age

You have a point...the vaccine probably isn't all that helpful to someone with a good immune system because you tend to fight off the disease with little to no symptoms. The chance of death or hospitalization is pretty damn low so that's why I won't fault someone who is young and healthy for not getting the vaccine.

But in the case of the elderly, the chance of you dying from the disease is far greater than the chance of adverse reactions resulting in death from the vaccine so it's best that the older people take it. They're more safe with it than without.

first of all.

being 94 and healthy = vulnerable list. not the extreme vulnerable list of 'shielding' (self isolation)
being 94 and having unmanaged diabetes(overweight) or heart issues puts her on the extreme vulnerable shielding list.

the "qcovid" assessment tool thats used to calculate the risk factors of thresholds, to put people into the 'clinically extremely vulnerable list' (self isolating shielding list) show a 'healthy' female of 94 with no underlying issues and healthy bmi would not get the 0.5% threshold
infact someone that is 94 and with just diabetes2 and a healthy bmi wont hit that threshold

so she has some other factors that would tip over the threshold to be put on the shielding self isolation list

you might think she is healthy because she can walk and talk. but unless you know the contents of her medicine cabinet or know what she is suffering from that she is not telling people.. 'healthy' is not a diagnosis.

but its better to have diarrhoea from a vaccine than have diarrhoea and pneumonia from the virus
(vaccine goes in the arm not the lungs=no pneumonia from vaccine=safer)

It is well known that in every situation, special cases are always there.  If 1000 person's are administered a new drug, it is well within the line of science to say that it is expected that some individuals exhibition adverse reactions to it. Our 94 year old lady friend is just an example of one of such cases.

I'm not pro-vaccine but I'm not closed-minded either. It is normal for some people to have some adverse effects, it happens with all medications. For me the important question is whether vaccines are going to have serious harmful effects in the short and long term. In the short term they do not seem to have them, since millions of people are being vaccinated and the serious reactions are statistically speaking negligible. We will have to see what happens in the medium term. If in a year's time no serious reactions are observed in the long term, we will be able to say that they are safe, even if they give slight reactions in the short term or if some people may suffer serious reactions.

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Oh this really bad. Hope she is doing better now. Do you know which vaccine she got? I read that the Astrazeneca vaccine is very bad for elderly people. My grandmother is getting the vaccine next month. I hope everything goes well.

I see one person posted that the vaccines haven't been around long enough to comment. Well, if someone dies within 5 minutes or a few days, then one case could be a coincidence, but there are too many people dying shortly after vaccination for it not to be a contributing factor.  Reports say that the vaccines are 50-80% effective, and that 99% of the population has had no significant health problems as a result of being infected without having been vaccinated. ( Lord Sumption amongst other, and as an Eton educated senior lawyer, he should be in a position to know the true facts). So, at best, vaccination reduces your natural immunity by 20%, and it has numerous side effects including death. Why would any sane person want to risk death to reduce their natural immunity?

I guessed also that this is not going to be regular vaccine. There will maybe 5-6 vaccine that we will have to take in order to stay healthy because it is like those right now are made to cause more problems. And in order to fix those we will have to take more vaccines. I would not vaccinate old people as their bodies are not strong enough to handle covid virus that is in the vaccine. Maybe vaccinate all other people so there is no anyone who would transmit them covid. That is maybe better option. For old people if they have survived until now, vaccine will finish them I'm afraid.

Healthy is the natural state of the human body, so you don't need a vaccine to stay healthy. You need to refuse the vaccine to stay healthy. I am extremely stressed over this poor woman, and I am appalled that humans are prepared to destroy her just to make a few extra pounds for the Pharma companies, and to milk her assets to run the evil "care" homes that the property developers seem to have acquired.

I assume you are indirectly referring to me. In the end I think I'm going to put you on ignore because it's been a few times now that you take half of what I say and twist it to answer me, distorting it. But going to the point: where are those lots of people dying shortly after vaccination? Put links please.

Otherwise all you are is a charlatan.

And I am telling you this, although I have said several times in posts about COVID that I understand at the very least it has been exaggerated, that I don't trust vaccines at least in principle, etc.

99% no significant health problems???

you are forgetting your over 70 and not 7 right??
yes a 7yo would have 1% risk of mild/severe. but you and your spouse and her friend are all over 70
and by your spouse and friend shielding it seems they have more vulnerabilities

also.. your completely wrong assumption about the vaccine. it does not reduce your natural immunity by 20%

people over 70 with other issues that put them in the shielding category have a covid risk of
15% chance of no symptoms(asymptomatic)
40% chance of getting mild symptoms.(persistant cough/high fever for 7days+)
25% chance of getting severe symptoms(nasal air canular)
15% chance of getting critical symptoms(intubated respirator)
5% risk of dying

so a vaccine with 80% effectivity would lower the risk to:
8% chance of getting mild
5% chance of severe
3% chance of critical
1% risk of dying
meaning 83% chance of no symptoms
(personally i think it would be more like 25% asymptomatic 58% minor(short cough/lowgrade fever for 2 days))

JC, do you understand the delicate balance between life vs the economy?  If life was the most important thing, countries would have locked down completely and instantly until the virus was eradicated.  Armed forces delivering food and water.

If the economy was the most important thing, we would have overwhelmed the health care system, killed hundreds of millions but be back on our way to recovery now.

If you were in charge - what would you do?

Honestly, I wouldn't force older people to be vaccinated. Because according to sources I read that the covid-19 vaccine has side effects such as diarrhea and dizziness, and I don't want to harm the people closest to me, especially those who are old.

Of course. You wouldn't want to feel dizzy for a few hours! How barbaric! I know I'd much rather have respiratory failure and a 20% chance of death than feel a bit dizzy. ::)

There are literally thousands or hundreds of thousands of adverse things that can harm you in life. Go stick yourself in the matrix where they can pump you full of all kinds of s**t so that nothing bad will happen to you. What? You are talking from the matrix right now? Are you in a bath, or a simple straitjacket? Do you really think that stuff up? Or are they pumping it out of your what-used-to-be-a-brain for you?

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I wonder if this vaccine "emergency use authorization" will still be allowed if there is no emergency. This short-term side effect may be already known, but how about the long-term effect?

This doesn't seem right. Vaccination should be a personal decision, but "pushed" could mean more of a persuasion. Nothing wrong with persuasion, not with coercion.

Because free will matters, even if the vaccine is proven 100%, forcing people to take it is still wrong.

It's a shame that the elderly are just a little slower mentally, so that their mentally slow kids can talk them into all kinds of things they knew were wrong in the first place.

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If the vaccine is really helping we should all be taking them. It also depends on how much contact you have with others. If you live in a retirement home than the risk of catching corona is much higher than if you live alone.

WELL YEAH SHE MAY HAVE A 20% CHANCE OF DEATH BUT SHE IS OBVIOUSLY STRONG SO THERE IS NO WAY THAT THIS VIRUS THAT HAS KILLED 2.5M PEOPLE WILL ALSO KILL HER.

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Not sure on why Jet Cash is still going on about this. The vaccine is essential to get to the oldest and most vulnerable part of the population to ensure that they DO NOT DIE.

I’ll never understand why people can’t understand that. These older people want to live and they want the vaccine, let them get it.

conspiracy sites created by US republicans use the year old debunked TRUMP narrative that 'its just flu'
they use trumps february2020 quotes and pretend that its scientific.
they forget that trump had breathing problems and had to be hospitalised when he got covid
they forget that normal citizens are not given the same great care as trump got.
so they completely forget that normal people that are in trumps same risk factor or above wont get the same experience. but worse experience than trump got.

all they can remember is a year ago trump called it a flu
and they think thats enough science for them to care about

^^^ Those old "conspiracy sites created by US republicans use the year old debunked TRUMP narrative that 'its just flu'" are still debunking most of what you say.

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It's pretty obvious that most people seem to be myopic and believe the media propaganda. You don't have to be Einstein to be aware that the human immune system knows more about viruses than any modern doctors, and it is 100% effective in healthy people. Of course if you are one of the many who spends large sums on so-called health care, then you aren't healthy, and you need to delude yourself to justify all that wasted money.

Anyway, I'm a bit tired of taking criticism from those who can't be bothered to do any real research, and to deflect on their observation of the world around them.

I don't believe anything. I understand why the science is correct.

What? Are you claiming that no one without a pre-existing condition has died from an infection ever?

We are discussing covid in this thread, I didn't think I needed to qualify my comments because of this.

You stated that the immune system, in relation to "viruses", is 100% effective.

So are you instead claiming that no one without a pre-existing condition has ever died from COVID?

Now, that makes it scary. If the 94-year old doesn't come out of this experience, it will cause more panic and skepticism of people wanting to be vaccinated. They would rather fancy their chances of self isolating and not taking it than taking it and allegedly dying from it. Well, 94 is a pretty old age where I come from. People hardly live up to that healthily. It's either they're already bedridden around that age or limited by poor health. Europe and Asia are blessed with old people, honestly.

just saying 'don't have to be einstein' followed by blab. does not make the blab true

1. the immune system knows alot about pre-existing pathogen it had come into contact with before
2. the immune system can and does over react and under react even in healthy people
3. the immune system is only called in when cells send a signal that they have been attacked.
4.the immune system is not smart. on first signal of a new pathogen all they know is to try. they dont yet know how. they have to learn
4. your definition of healthy is not the common definition most people know
5. about ~80% of peoples immune system does not know how to fight a pathogen with a certain spike identifier. the only way to learn is to get infected. there are 2 options:
    a. get the replicating virus that kills cells in the lungs - dangerous
    b. get a vaccine in the arm that doesnt replicate - safer
6. yes healthier younger people can respond to signals faster. and produce more antibodies faster, meaning they can fight the pathogen faster. but a healthy 70yo is not as quick or productive as a less than healthy 10yo
and a healthy 94yo is even less productive and quick
7.imagine it this way. immunocells trained to fight old pathogens are like 10year vetaren marines. able to go on mission attack old pathogens quick and many squads of them.
but a new pathogen. well thats fresh recruits that have not even gone through 'hell week' they have alot to learn about new battle strategy. it takes longer to recruit new troops and train them

And if, as we expect, having the vaccine means you're less likely to transmit the virus, then there's less chance of that 94yo passing the virus onto her similarly-aged friends, or spreading it around a nursing home, etc.

The main reason that healthy people of any age should take the vaccine is to protect other, more vulnerable people. Same with face masks, etc.

The two ways to beat this thing are a) vaccinate everyone, or b) let everyone catch it, and in certain cases, die. That's it; they're the options. It won't just go away by itself.

^^^ Death is inevitable. Few people like the idea of death when they are healthy and free.

Some of the people who voluntarily get vaccinated are free. Some of them aren't.

The free ones know about the dangers of the vaccine and get it anyway. The un-free ones are those who listen to the propaganda and lies set out by the medical, without knowing that there is other information that is WAY more truthful than what the medical provides.

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In my case I think having optimal vitamin D levels is going to be at least as effective as the vaccine, but you won't hear the pharmaceuticals talking about this. Neither will the mainstream Mass Media but there are plenty of articles in Pubmed and scientific journals on this.

The point is that optimal Vitamin D levels can be obtained for free from the sun or cheaply in supplements sold in herbalists, but that is of no interest to Big Pharma.

On the other hand, I do not trust these vaccines, at least in principle, but I have several friends and acquaintances working in health care who have already taken them and and what they usually say is that they had mild symptoms the next day similar to a cold. But what you cannot do if you distrust vaccines is to close your eyes to the evidence and say that a lot of people are dying because of them because that is make up a story that has nothing to do with reality, and that you can't prove because if people were dying everywhere, the mass media couldn't hide it and you could post links here..

I'd really hate to feel the effects of the second vaccine for a day or so (as the first vaccination doesn't typically have side effects) instead of death.

Ugh -- a headache and being in bed for a day is so much better then dying. LOL. I understand not wanting to force vaccinations on people, as older people can just quarantine indefinitely if they want to / can but that's not a reason to just write off vaccinations as a whole.

Right!

It's like 99% of the people get no Covid symptoms, or mild symptoms.

It's like 99% of the people who get the vaccine get mild to intense symptoms of something, and some die.

And if you are in the hospital with some dangerous comorbidity, your chances of dying from the vaccine greatly increase.

I'd stay away from the vaccine. I'll take my chances with the 99% who get no or mild Covid symptoms.

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your 99% stat is a figment of your imagination.
try to find reality. the numbers are not what you think

^^^ I know, I know. I was simply playing the game. Most people think that Covid exists. So, to talk "their language," I act like it exists, too, at times.

And, I could have said "roughly 99%" rather than "like 99%." We all know that you can't split a person into pieces just to make an exact 99% claim. Either the person has it or they don't.

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You understand that the groups of people that we want to take the vaccine right now are those that have a very high chance of death if they were to get Covid? Somewhere in the realm of 5-20% depending on age and health related issues that cause them to be the first in line.

Like if you’ve ever gotten any sort of vaccine in your life you’d know that some mild symptoms — headache, aching, and so on is expected but that’s the short term (day or two) downside of ensuring that you wont die to this illness / wont be symptomatic so your chance of spreading it is lesser as well.

Sigh.

Incredibly basic concepts like the one you have stated here have been explained to BADecker multiple times. It's a concept so basic - that high risk people get vaccinated first - that a preschooler could understand it. BADecker's continued inability to grasp concepts like this should prompt everyone to ignore his nonsensical ramblings.

Substantially over 1000 deaths from the vaccine. These are just the ones we know about.

Oh, sure. Nobody did much of any testing to determine if it really was the vaccine. But the timing shows that it was.

https://healthimpactnews.com/2021/cna-nursing-home-whistleblower-seniors-are-dying-like-flies-after-covid-injections-speak-out/

Videos - https://www.bitchute.com/channel/HealthImpactNews/

Vaccine Syndrome: How the Experimental Anthrax Vaccine Killed 35,000 Military Men and Women - https://www.bitchute.com/video/IFVeYUExDJzJ/. Why would the Covid vaccine be any different? Just not enough time, yet, to prove it out through the actual deaths happening. Probably the flu vaccine has killed way more than this over the years.

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"Smallpox is estimated to have killed up to 300 million people in the 20th century and around 500 million people in the last 100 years of its existence, as well as six monarchs. As recently as 1967, 15 million cases occurred a year."

Smallpox has now been eradicated. Why would the Covid vaccine be any different?

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Of course I'm being flippant, but it's a fair point. In practice the Covid vaccine is more likely to be similar to the flu vaccine, and probably administered as an annual shot to cover new variants. Covid is unlikely to be eradicated, but the vaccine will be a life saver on a huge scale.

If she is healthy, she should not have opted to get vaccinated for covid-19. I wish her get well soon.  We have discussed many times here that no covid-19 vaccine is reliable and we should avoid it. The  pharma company are no longer the ones which are meant to save people life, they only want their business running at any cost.

False. Largest study to date of 1.2 million people confirms Pfizer's vaccine is 94% effective: https://www.nejm.org/doi/10.1056/NEJMoa2101765

What I see in this topic are visceral positions that are closed to evidence. On any topic under debate I may have a prior opinion or a first opinion in view of the initial facts, but I am open to the fact that the evidence may change it.

The opposite is prejudice.

Here I see prejudices that are slapped in the face by reality and yet refuse to change.

This probably really does have some meaning to somebody somewhere. But by the time we figure out what the meaning is, and compare it with all the sideways potential and possible meanings, it'l be the 25th century.


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Documented infections - 46% reduction after 1 dose, 92% after 2 doses
Symptomatic infections - 57% reduction after 1 dose, 94% after 2 doses
Hospitalizations - 74% reduction after 1 dose, 87% after 2 doses
Severe disease - 62% reduction after 1 dose, 92% after 2 doses

Don't confuse your inability to understand the science as meaning the science is somehow flawed or inaccurate. The facts are very clear.

Well, thank you. Now that we have all this info, we can compare it with how many of them got sick from the vaccine, and for how long, and how many other things they caught that they wouldn't have gotten. But most of all, this tells us what happened 5 years down the road because of the vaccine, right?

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Certainly. Please provide a link to the data which show millions of people "catching other things" because of the vaccine. I'm sure you have those data to hand. No way you are just making stuff up, right!? ::)

Good. Now that we know how safe this so-called vaccine is, especially when comparing the safety and effectiveness to all the nutritional controls, we can safely cross the vaccine off our list.

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As I thought. No evidence for position, just mindless ramblings. Glad you finally understand that the vaccine is safe though.

As I thought, no evidence for safety, or comparison of with the many nutritional and other, simpler medicines that work better, safely.

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Vaccine is not a medicine, its a preventive measure for the virus. simple knowledge my dear.

paracetemol has been around for many many decades. but it is not a cure for a gunshot.
it wont prevent gunshots

a malaria drug that handles parasites in the gut wont help virus in the lung

they tried it. it didnt work. people are still getting severely ill, needing to be intubated and dying. if there was a cure they would have used it

Interesting that you should say that. Standard f-1 distraction. Guns have been around for many years, but they don't cure gunshot wounds, either.

So, let's get some studies about the things that vaccines shoot and kill. Oh wait. Previous posts in this thread, and in many other threads, show links to some of those studies.

In fact, doctors and nurses around the world are warning against those things. In fact, the US government made rulings about there being such studies over 30 years ago. And nobody in Big Pharma can even come up with one study throughout the more than 30 years.

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You claimed the COVID vaccine causes people to catch other diseases. Present the evidence to support your claim. Failure to do so means you are lying.

Only if you want to call illness and death "other diseases."


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A video blog by a deranged anti vax conspiracy nut is not evidence. I'll keep waiting.

If you wait long enough, you might miss the vaccine, and be saved.

You don't realize that Del Bigtree is simply a "journalist." He interviews loads of professionals, doctors and professors, and they tell it like it is.

You are doing yourself an injustice.

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I've already been vaccinated, thanks.

An interview is not evidence either. Links to large randomized control trials please.

So now you're trying to tell us that we must have faith in what professionals say, because the evidence doesn't mean anything to us ignorant people anyway. But that's part of the point. It is the professional people who Bigtree interviews who are the evidence themselves through what they have been doing and saying... at least they are the evidence for those of us who aren't knowledgeable enough to follow the actual medical studies.

And it is Big Pharma who is using bad faith, because they can't provide the safety studies required by law, which they would provide if they were using good faith. Odds are that they haven't done them.

What does that sound like to you? Sounds to me like the whole medical is a bunch of lying crooks, full of bad faith regarding the law and our health.

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I'm saying the exact opposite. You are the one saying "Have faith in what this person tells you". I'm saying "Here are the links to the trials".

It's OK to admit you were wrong and that there is no evidence to support your claim that the vaccine causes other diseases.

The links to the trials aren't all there is. There is the interpretation. What I am saying is that the official interpretation isn't enough because of what the trials are showing.

For example. There's a difference between Covid-19 and SARS-CoV-2. SARS-CoV-2 is the virus; Covid-19 is the symptoms caused by the virus.

The trials don't make a clear distinction between the two. Just because somebody happens to be cured of the symptoms, doesn't mean that he can't get the symptoms back, and doesn't bean he won't be infecting others. Why? Because the virus is only aimed at Covid-19, but doesn't do anything about SARS-CoV-2.

And this is only one example. It doesn't even include the people who are dying after getting the virus.

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What a long winded way to say "I have no evidence'.

What a way to say noting yourself. But here is some info that anybody can verify. It shows that the nations with the greatest medical systems, and the greatest doctors who are instructing them, are some of the worst regarding deaths by Covid.

Seven minute video - https://www.bitchute.com/video/LBpQjwNrTb6Y/

This is part of the full video - Fed Up - https://www.bitchute.com/video/u4J9vhv7Dhtv/.

Again, you can find the statistics all over the place, yourself. The point is that if they lie to us enough so that we have some of the worst Covid-19 death statistics, they are lying about the vaccine, as well.

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again badecker derails a topic. all badecker is proving is his ignorance.
..we get it. you have proved your ignorance. no need to keep proving it
we formally accept your win. congratulations. we formally admit you are  ignorant, the result you hve been trying to prove for 11 months.

now we have played your 'prove badeckers ignorance' game for 11 months. its time you move on

actually learn what is happening in the real world
i know your next game is to flip flop and want to prove your not ignorant. so hurry up with the next game. start proving you can learn and understand whats really happening in the world

It could be possible that vaccine do not suit few people who get vaccinated or there could be small side effects which are neglectable. For example if you get a typhoid vaccine there is a chance that you get little fever right after you injected the vaccine.




Does this means that now you can never be effected by the covid-19 ?

Let me answer this, There is still a chance for vaccinated peeps to be infected by the virus but the chances are closer to zero. Thats why there is different percentage of effectivity for different kinds of vaccine. Though, getting infected by the Covid after being vaccinated can make you be just sick but not to be hospitalized as you have already antibodies to fight the virus itself.

But just to be clear, vaccinated peeps can still spread the virus, as they can be infected by it, but the effect will be different to vaccinated and unvaccinated.

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The crux of this is science vs faith.

BADecker, those of us with scientific backgrounds use science as a tool to determine truth. We start from a hypothesis, an idea of a thing that might or might not be true. Then we gather data to test the hypothesis. We analyse the results and use these to reach a conclusion as to whether or not the original hypothesis is correct. We start from an idea, and then gather facts to determine whether or not the idea is correct. This is how science builds up over centuries, experiment after experiment, evidence upon evidence.

Your arguments aren't like this, they're faith-based. You start from a conclusion, and then seek out opinions and selective facts that back-up your pre-conceived idea of what is true. I challenged you last month to give me an example of one single occasion when you have changed your mind on something after being presented with facts and evidence. You failed to do so.

We are using logic, and facts obtained through the application of the scientific method, to try to convince you. We are linking to datasets, papers, charts. I've done this I don't know how many times, and I'll concede that it's the wrong approach, because science will not defeat a faith-based position. God of the ever-diminishing gaps, but for as long as we don't have a scientific explanation for every single aspect of reality, then faith-based arguments, although ever-weakening, will persist. We can't use science, logic, facts, evidence to convince you.



But similarly, as your argument is faith-based, you shouldn't be searching for 'facts' to reinforce your position. If you want to use facts, then use them correctly. Start from an idea and use facts to reach a conclusion, not the other way around. If instead you want to start from a conclusion, then fine, do so, just don't try to support a faith-based conclusion with facts.

Then he will just state biblical statements to "enclosed" his conclusion, thinking it is the fact, and believed it.

BADecker is a lost cause. My goal with the above posts was simply to make it clear to anyone else reading his posts that he is making up unfounded nonsense with no basis in reality and no facts or evidence to support his position.

The vaccine works, works very well, and is safe. That is what the evidence proves.

Even if that were true, there is simply no need for it.  This is evidenced by the many countries where it doesn't even register statistically such as Vietnam.  In other words, countries who, for whatever reason, cannot be easily bullied by the bigger ones.

Neither China nor the U.S. want to fuck with Vietnam.  Once bitten, twice shy I guess.  Vietnam is making their own vaccine too.  If I had to hazard a guess at the chemical constituents of their vaccine I would guess they are H2O and NaCl, and it will be as 'efficacious' against 'covid' as any.

Absolutely. I'm eagerly awaiting my chance to take the vaccine.


I would guess that's not as effective an approach. But why guess? Let's await the data.

Or, rather than making up statements with no basis in reality, we could look at the facts.

Over a year ago, Vietnam had already closed schools, had border health checks and quarantines, had travel restrictions, had mandated wearing masks, had an extensive contact tracing and quarantine system, and put whole towns under lockdown with the army.

Many badly hit countries still don't have some of those measures a year later.

I can see nothing but FACTS

The trouble is, in this case I know people personally in Hanoi and don't need to rely on what the mainstream media is reporting.  The are NOT wearing masks and 'social distancing'.  As a matter of fact, my friend just started another restaurant.

The situation in Vietnam is much like the situation in Wuhan, China a quarter or two after 'they started it':

https://ngr.ng/wp-content/uploads/2020/08/wuhan-holds-pool-party-with-thousands-in-attendance-3-months-after-reporting-no-new-covid-19-cases-640x320.png

Are you the kind of 'doctor' who will say that the same coronavirus can cause 200 times more 'infections' in one SE Asian country where they are using masks and face shields than in another where they don't?

Or the type of 'doctor' who will say that world travel is so tight that for 13 months Vietnam has remained isloated and SARS-cov-2 has been unable to jump across the S. China Sea?

Think hard, 'doc', before you choose one because we all know that that this is supposed to be quite infectious even by coronavirus standards.

Or are going to say that the _government_ of Vietnam is lying about their numbers?  If you open up that can of worms, then you are going to have to explain why a government like Vietnam is capable of lying and changing numbers while a government like that of The Philippines is absolutely above reproach and incapable of being swayed by political pressure and money to get the kinds of numbers that the vaccine scammers want to see.

Great job following in BADecker's footsteps of providing zero evidence. Anecdotes are not evidence. Interviews are not evidence. "I have a friend who..." is not evidence.

Here is the evidence: https://www.bmj.com/content/372/bmj.n415

Wuhan's mortality rate 56% higher than predicted due to an 8 fold increase in deaths due to pneumonia.

And yes, Vietnam has remained closed to all foreign nationals for a year, except a select few diplomats, experts, etc. who have to quarantine for 21 days on arrival. You should try Googling simple facts before writing all that nonsense.

You are such a fraud and a joke.  The first vid I pulled up shows what a liar you are:

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kqmGKdIEPtE (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kqmGKdIEPtE)

This is Ho Chi Minh rather than Hanoi, but even in the international airport many people are not bothering with the masks, and nobody seems to care much.  Quite a lot of 'select diplomats' by the looks of things wouldn't you say?

OK, maybe not a 'liar' as much just an idiot who believes everything they read on mainstream media and looks at nothing else.  That would explain why you are wrong in interpretation if not in fact about almost everything you spew.  Probably more of a flat out liar though I would guess.

Whoever takes your 'medical advice' after seeing your lies about something like this deserves what's coming to them.  I'm guessing that you will actually agree with that as you guide people off the cliff.

Edit:  OK, to be fair, I see that although the vid was recently uploaded, it is from 2020.  But a quick look just now at flightradar24 shows at least 6 international flights coming into Vietnam.  Mostly to Hanoi.

Glad to have you verify that you believe a coronavirus pandemic could be halted for 13 months by some nebulous restrictions which are true in the mainstream media but not true according to people I know who actually live in the country.  'Doc'.

Sorry, petty insults and a video from February 18th 2020 aren't evidence either.


Amazing that a video from before the borders were closed showed the borders not being closed. ::)
Maybe you could find a video of a concert from 2018 to prove there is no lockdown either.

Her case of eyesight is not abnormal for her as she is 94, but at that age its also not abnormal to have reoccurring health issues, this doesn't have to be covid-19, she maybe has already had the fear that the vaccine will give into her health complication, then body is reacting to the mind, just like what placebo treatment does to some patient, I pray for quick recovery onto her.

It's crazy how people will miss use videos without looking properly at the facts. There is a strong bias for using videos and articles for your arguments even though they might be wrong.

My grand mother is 90 and she will get the vaccine next week. I hope everything goes well.

I made a correction as an addition (not removing the original and semi-invalid information) when I spotted the error just as any honest person would do.

I also pointed out that there were at the present time, 6 international flights inbound or outbound from Vietnam that I saw on flightradar24 which calls into serious question the idea that only 'select special diplomats' are entering and the country.

Anyone who understands anything about epidemiology will have some pretty significant questions about the ability to isolate for over a year to 'protect' against coronavirus.  This is particularly the case since at the time the vid I found was made there was a LOT of SARS-cov-2 among the population, and they are claiming 2500 or so infections even today.  I saw more recent vids of Hanoi which show what was described to me by friends on the ground (and what I see in the SE Asian country I'm in with 500,000 claimed infections).  That is, motorcycles riders being fairly diligent with masks, but many/most people on the streets and shops not wearing them.  Motor vehicle operators are subject to harassment already for traffic and safety gear violations.  Normal people in street-side shops and on the sidewalk much less so.

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Way back in 1/2020 there was a hypothesis going around that some populations might be especially susceptible to death from a given coronavirus (it was not called 'SARS-cov-2' at the time but rather '2019-nCov' which was the same label used in the WEF and Gates' 'event 201 simulation' a in 9/2019 two months before the bat eaters in Wuhan caused the real one...for those who believe that story.)

The reason suggested was related to whether certain populations had been exposed to certain things which others had not.  Specifically certain covert drug trials.  When a disparity in deaths per 100,000 between populations goes from 0.04 (Vietnam) to 156 (U.S.) that seems quite inconsistent with expectations in the study of infectious disease considering the classification of 'pandemic'.

On a case fatality basis, 0.03% (Thailand) compared to 8.90% (Mexico) seems a better match for a situation where there are environmental factors following political boundaries (e.g. drug trails) going on that a general difference in the physiology of the people.

tvbcof trying to claw his way out of his lies.

heck i even said last february that flights were coming in and out of wuhan even though they locked down in january..
i found out later these were not wuhan domestic flights. but other flights doing 'repatriations' and also transporting goods.
..
any way its been a year and tvbcof still thinks the wuhan origins were people eating bats.
maybe if he spent the year researching and not repeating conspiracy sites like other idiots have done. he would learn that covid didnt jump from bat to human via eating a bat.
the actual path was bats coming into contact with another animal. highly suggested as a pangolin. and that it was the pangolins that spread it in their population in 2019. and then when hunted and brought to market it passed to humans
its not said anything about eating pangolins. but just handling their scales without gloves and good hygiene

its strange how tvbcof doesnt understand how chickens need to be immunised and separated from other farm animals..
an then when sold handled with good common sens hygiene principles and also cooked well to avoid things like salmonella. common sense you need to wash and cook chickens thoroughly.
you cant eat chicken raw. even though you could thousands of years ago.  why.. because animals have nasties in them.. thats now the accepted norm
yes it would be great to have pathogen free animals in the world. but thats not the real world.

yep if you dont handle chicken properly. you can get sick. if you dont handle any animal properly you can be affected by a multitude of things. pigs can give you parasites. cows ecoli and parasites. cats and dogs fleas and rabies. the list goes on

thats why its important that farms/animal breeding/markets should be monitored for health risks. much like how restaurants have a hygiene certification inspection.

otherwise this wont be the last big pandemic to occur due to animal cross contamination

thats common sense advice thats been around for decades. and just because the WEF said it last year does not mean they created an event. it just means out of the many organisations saying it for decades one idiot found a video thats most recent to an event.
the conclusion is.. that it seem the advice over the decades fell on deaf ears

All f-1 is doing is attempting to hide his lies, by talking about the truths of other people as though they were lies. If he gets his way, he will distract readers from the OP, so that they won't become interested in finding the real truth for themselves.

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tvbcof and badeckers words are not truths. they are opinions. and when looking at the facts and data and statistics and observations by the wide population.. its obvious that tvbcof and badecker are not telling the truth.

in their mind they may belief their words. but a self belief is not the same as verified fact by majority of population
basically their belief is a fantasy

atleast tvbcof is trying(badly) but trying to pull himself out of his mistakes.  but it still is not good enough when he tries jumping out of one hole and straight into another

This opinion of yours isn't very interesting at all. Read the OP and see what kinds of things are happening to all kinds of people.

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Whilst I hope that Jet Cash's partner's friend is okay, your statement here isn't a valid argument.

You can't say "x happened to one person, therefore it's a general trend across the country/world". In order to understand what is happening, you need to start from large datasets.

That doesn't caused because of the vaccine, provided that she is aged she prom to any contamination of any kind of disease or infection provided the area of treatment, because her immune systems are extremely weak, irrespective of her physical healthy appearance it will be affected if the environment is kind of contamination of numerous disease's, its obvious that ages matters for fast transmission of chronicle disease, so by right she not suppose to be together with other covid patients in  isolating center.

so 6 hours ago i had my vaccine..
and im sat here writing this with no symptoms.

the process was easy. you arrive on time. and sit in a waiting area for a few minutes until they call your name
they check if you had any vaccines in last couple weeks. if you have allergies. and if your ok to take the vaccine
then have the jab
then walk to another waiting area and sit for 5 minutes.
yep they say minimum 5 minutes unless your worried about symptoms. then stay for 15

..
so within the relatives i have and relative-in laws thats 7 people that had vaccines and the only symptoms was in 1 relative that had the pfizer vaccine that had a sore(but functional) arm for one day

me and other 6 had the oxford AZ
and one said they felt tired. but that could be due to them being tired before the vaccine too
and no symptoms for the rest
so far so good for me. and all fine for the rest..
no big deal

age range is from over 30-under 70

if you know someone that has known allergies then make sure you tell the people giving the vaccine that

Now I know personally of 5 family members in Oregon who have got the Moderna (none Pfizer).  It's been a few days now.  All have slight soreness of the arm but nothing more.  Or at least nothing more than they'll admit since I've been doing my best to warn them that they are becoming test subjects and taking all the risk for no reward or even any help if they are among the percentage who will get sick or die.

From what I can tell, the covid gene therapies are getting pretty beat up in VAERS relative to others, but that's not saying much.  I, like Dell Bigtree, do kind of anticipate VAERS achieving a higher reporting rate for the 'covid vax' stuff than the 1% or less it gets from other vaccines.

Unless there are multiple formulations going around (some being more or less inert) the people who got it now:

 - Have some of their cells re-programmed to produce virus parts and express them as surface proteins.

 - Their immune systems will notice and react to the new form of cells.  Perhaps attack and kill them, or perhaps tolerate them.

 - The process will continue for an indefinite period of time and nobody really knows what the long-term ramifications will be.

 - Until a new coronavirus comes along ('challenges' to use scientific terminology) it is unknown if there will be the same type of immune enhancement and cytokine storms which killed the cats, ferrets, etc in earlier attempts at making a coronavirus vaccine with standard methods (like some of the Chinese and Indian covid-19 vaccines use now.)

 - If there are going to be autoimmunity issues as a result of normal body cells suddenly starting to express viral appearing surface proteins it is unknown how long it will typically take to become apparent.  Will have to watch for that as well.

 - None of the people are subject to becoming pregnant so female sterility cannot be evaluated with this set.

It does seem to me from what I can see so far that the results from the abbreviated P1 and P2 trials for Moderna (at least) were a lot more severe than the results from the field (known in pre-new-normal times as phase 3 trials).  That is why I wonder how much things have been tweeked, or if there is simply a percentage of the 'vaccines' which are active and a percentage which are not.  To get the actual development work done corp/gov really doesn't need anywhere near the guinea pig counts up into the 10's or 100's of millions, and a lot of body-bags would cause suspicion and consternation among the potential future victims.

please do your research.
all of the vaccines do not replicate.
the rna that 'creates' the protein only lasts a few days/weeks..

there is no indefinite period.

try to not assume and instead RESEARCH

Try to brush up on your reading skills.  I did not say that all of the vaccines do replicate.  Beyond that, replication is not necessary for long duration effects.

Mycobacteria such as TB wrap themselves in a dense lipid layer which sounds outwardly similar to the technology used to protect the mRNA.  These are engulfed by immune system cells but not killed.  A TB infection obtained at age 8 back in the 'old country' can manifest at age 80 when, for whatever set of reasons, the microbe is able to escape it's entombment.

I can research the hell out of what the corporations who make the vaccines tell us about them, but they are already paying billions for lying about the safety or their products so what they is not credible to me.  Preciously little, if any, independent audits are being done on 'their science'.  99.9% of the facilities who even could do this kind of work are captured which negates their ability to find ANYTHING derogatory about the so-called 'vaccines' whether it exists or not.

The point seems to be that she was fine until she got vaccinated. Who can tell for absolute sure? Maybe she would have developed problems in the same way, even if she hadn't gotten the vaccine. But the timing seems to bee too exact for there to NOT be a connection.

We could go into all kinds of nutrients that could have made her almost immune to Covid... totally not needing a vaccine. But the vaccine focus should be on the side effects. Some people are dying from it. Can this be proven? Perhaps. But so far the only proof we have is the timing.

A second important focus should be on people making their own decision without being coerced. Being 94, she was probably somewhat dependent on her daughter's advice in many things. After all, she grew up and lived most of her life without computers, and maybe even credit cards. Modern technology was new for her. So she depended on the advice of her daughter.

Loads of medical people are afraid of the vaccine. Daughter should have done research before advising.

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1. mycobacteria can hibernate or more precicesly slow down their replication rate down. but once released they replicate and do damage.
the vaccine does not do damage. they also actually know the decay rate of mrna and the capsid

actually when you think about it. if it was possible to trick the body to keep the vaccine capsid sealed and then release it at different stages. that would actually be great. as it would extend immunity by being its own periodic booster shot
issue is that there is no hibernate trick in the vaccine.


2. well try to realise Vaers and yellow card systems exist. its not like the vaccines are jabbed into peoples arms by pfizer/moderna/Az's CEO. yep a company makes a vaccine.. a governments purchase the vaccine. governments then double check the vaccine and then health care employees do the jabs.
if you think that the vaccine CEO is also the vaccine lab tech, who is the same person as the politician. same person as the quality check technician. the same person as the nurse giving the vaccine.. then you really are not researching the processes involved.
the vaccine facilities are inspected. they have their quality assurance process as they dont want to get fined or lose contracts or have bad media reports about them. an yes they dont want to kill anyone by mistake.
they clearly tell what the risk factors are. EG the people with pre existing allergies. yep they have spent millions promoting the risks.
government/health departments then do their own quaity assurance procosses
 there are actual processes to monitor batches. they do actually pull out and recall bad batches
so your 99.9 is actually more like 0.00001% odds

try to learn the processes and stop having the opinion that there is just 1 puppet master doing it all in a secret basement

You might have a point, there. The vaccine might do no damage at all. However, somebody might want to call the reaction that the body has to it, damage from the vaccine.

The vaccine juice simply floats around and tells the body that it's there. The body isn't smart enough to understand that the vaccine is just juice. So the body takes it serious and goes into all kinds of horrific, immune system, panic, konniption fits.

It's the body's fault, not the fault of the vaccine. And, it is the fault of the thinking part of the body, to blindly forget that in nature, almost 100% of skin breaking happenings produce harm, and that the medical hasn't really cured anything with vaccines. But maybe ignorance is bliss, right?

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badecker seems to be a vaccine denier as he cries about the needle prick.

anyway.
badecker here are two options.. imagine you were 94years old
0.001% risk of allergic reaction
0.1% risk of loose stools(diarrhoea)
10% sore arm
vs
5% of death
15% of breathlessness
30% risk of restless nights
over 50% risk of annoying coughing fever/chill

which would you choose
simply quote this and put in a X which [] you prefer for each question
            vaccine                                                    covid
Q1. [ ]10% sore arm for 1 day....... or........ [ ] 50% just cough fever and chill for 7days+
Q2. [ ]10% risk of fatigue..........or ............[ ]25% breathing issues
Q3. [ ]5% aches/pains couple days ... or ... [ ]20% aches/pains 7days+
Q4. [ ]0.1% risk of frequent toilet......or......[ ] 15% risk of frequent toilet use
Q5. [ ]0.001% risk of allergic reaction.. or.. [ ]5% death risk

(yes this woman in this topic is in the 5%+ risk threshold of death from covid as admitted by her shielding status criteria)

Now, f-1. Imagine that you took a bunch of vitamin C + zinc, and some extra vitamin D, and worshiped God Who protected you, and didn't have any of the problems you are talking about. Why get the vaccine? Just so that you have some problems that you got rid of with the v-C and zinc and v-D and prayer?

You're kinda backwards in your thinking.

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you couldnt even bother answering the questions. but want to pretend that IF people didnt have the issues.. yet reality is that people do have issues. and no an orange or a prayer wont cure these issues

But after they afe dead, the Covid issue is gone, but the judgment issue begins. However, Followers of God absolutely are saved from issues more than those who aren't followers. Do your research.

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There is no money there to be made. It is more interesting from a scientific point of view to give pharmaceutical companies many billions in profits by effectively forcing people to get vaccinated. Maybe if @oeleo stops by he will leave a couple of links about how scientifically interesting it is that pharmaceutical companies make multi-billion dollar profits and how scientifically uninteresting high levels of vitamin D are as immune system protectors.

what your not realising is that badecker is actually influenced more by a group that want to make pharma profit.
pharma sell supplements to dropshippers who sell it to supplement pyramid schemes and cults.

the amount of money he wants citizens to pay on supplements for pharma manufacturers is far more than the amount that government create though quantitative easing that does not cost citizens money.
badecker wants people swallowing multiple capsules a day.. government want one prick in the arm a year.
which healthcare 'practice' seems more involved. 1/year of 3/day


badecker salivates imagining the world 'taking a bunch of vit c, zinc and some vit d.
the stupid part is that badecker is soo low on the cult of supplement salesmen pyramids that he doesnt realise he is being used as a puppet salesman. but not going to get any financial gain from it.

Grandma was blessed and lucky.


NHS worker dies after receiving first dose of Pfizer vaccine (https://www.naturalnews.com/2021-03-02-health-worker-dies-after-receiving-vaccine.html)




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the guy died of covid.
the vaccine is not even effective at the 52% first dose claim for 3-4 weeks.

he was put back to work last year which has ample oppertunity for him to get covid.
so no surprise

yep just because you shielded from march-september does not make you immune.
it means you isolated yourself to not yet get covid.

then going out and starting normal life for months then puts you at risk of getting covid
having a vaccine will help but only after weeks after having the vaccine

this is why you should still try to limit your exposure risk at first
thinking your immortal just because a government or your work place tell you to go back to work is not good enough.

personally i think those that are categorised as extreme vulnerable to be on the shielding list should not be called back to work until atleast a month after the second jab

but hey going to work was probably more of a business/economic decision not a health risk decision

..
anyway as for my personal experience of having the vaccine.
no ill effects worthy of crying about. the only thing i can think of that i felt was probably a slight pressure feeling in my arm. kind of like laying on your arm without actually laying on it or someone gripping my arm.
it happened at the just below the shoulder and just above the elbow..
2 spots.. kinda near the ends of the upper arm bones
but so slight its probably a placebo effect of me overly looking for possible negatives. definitely nothing to cry about and didnt last long.

yes im currently i'd say only 6% immune as of today. as its only been a few days of first jab using easy math. so im in no rush to expose myself maskless yet when around strangers in confined spaces(grocery store).. give it time

We cannot take isolated cases as if they were the general rule. I am against mandatory vaccination etc. but there aren't millions of people dying because they are getting vaccinated.

a year ago tvbcof, jetcash, tash and badecker were crying about fears of military personel breaking down doors and forcing vaccinations at gunpoint.
........ didnt happen

they also cried about vaccines turning people into mutants or patents of corporations
........ didnt happen

they also cried about vaccines being more dangerous than covid.
........ didnt happen
(vaccine: US 80mill vaccinated: 323died(0.0004%)
(covid: US 30mill infected 530k died(1.8%))

That is completely understood. But here are the points.

- Everybody is an individual case of something after he/she has been vaccinated. No two people are the same... although some may be similar to some others.

- Every person who has been vaccinated becomes a case. None are the same, but ALL vaccinated people receive damage from the experimental non-vaccine.


The three major reason why people get sick from Covid and/or the vaccine are:
1. Some people are not nutritionally healthy;
2. The health of people who have had vaccines in the past has been compromised by those vaccines;
3. Because somebody SAID they were sick from Covid without really knowing anything about Covid or how it affects people.

Covid isn't what people say and think it is. It was never isolated so that somebody could take a look at it - for sure - in a microscope and say "this is it." And if you can't identify it, there's almost no way to determine what to do about it. That's why the medical has had so much trouble. They don't know what they are trying to protect against.

Few people understand that in all the talk about the vaccine, the benefits are directed against Covid-19. Covid-19 is the symptomatic expression of the so-called virus, SARS-CoV-2 in a person who catches the virus. Covid-19 isn't the virus itself. SARS-CoV-2 is the virus. None of the vaccines fight the virus at all! Rather, they fight the Covid-19 symptoms with the hope that the SARS-CoV-2 will somehow be eliminated and protected against at the same time.

That's how far off the medical and the vaccine are. They don't protect you from SARS-CoV-2. They only try to reduce Covid-19... the way SARS-CoV-2 looks in people, the symptoms, the Covid-19.

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badeckers 'all people receive damage' ignores the point

a needle prick mark is technically damage. but not life changing and not something normal people cry about.
the difference is that all 80mil americans had a needle prick... but only 323died (0.0004%)

so trying to promote that vaccine kill everyone due to badecker picking out the small insignificant odd cases of death. just shows he is not taking things independently case-by case. he is trying to insinuate the small odds case of death is the same as needle prick damage case numbers

How about smallpox? The vaccine hasn't just saved lives, it's eradicated the disease entirely. No new cases since 1977.

https://ourworldindata.org/smallpox#eradication-of-smallpox



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^^^ Think of it this way.

Big Pharma leaders got together with all the Fauci-style medical leaders in the world. Smallpox was going away naturally, or for other reasons. What could they do?

So they ordered their underlings to say that their vaccine was doing its job. Smallpox went away, and the medical took the credit. But it would have gone away anyway, automatically, naturally. Immune systems learn, over time, how to fight diseases.

The medical constantly takes advantage of things that happen naturally. That's how they make their money.

Then the medical found out something new... but they probably expected it. They found that if you vaccinate people enough times, their immune system gets run down, and they become susceptible to all kinds of diseases. So, vaccinate the heck out of people so that they think they need even more vaccination when their immune system becomes so weak that it can't fight the diseases any longer.

Of course, some people have figured this out, and are telling the world about the destruction Big Pharma and the medical are doing to them. So, Big Pharma had to get into the media big time. They teamed up with Google and Bill Gates to control the media. This way all you generally see is their carefully planned lies about how vaccines are saving the world.

The people who understand this, simply get their nutrition inexpensively, and remain healthy without vaccines.

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This kind of reasoning is outrageous HAHA.

Its kind of funny, this is.

The only way this big pharma can "manipulate" people all over the world to believe they eradicate the smallpox when its naturally dying is by science. And med students, even high school biology students can see if this is real and the truth only. Even small labs can test if the vaccines are working in eradicating small pox. So yeah, ur logic seems to be really off and funny.

Why would I think of it your way, when you've just provided a conspiracy theory with no backing data? Give me data, not opinion!



I'm not denying that pharmaceutical companies often engage in appalling and reprehensible practices in order to make money. Some would rather people die than drop their prices, Martin Shkreli being a particularly obnoxious example.

But this doesn't mean that vaccines don't work.

They can't, because their opinions are not based in fact.

There aren't any viruses. "The virus is fully an exosome in every sense of the word." This is taken from a video by Dr. Andrew Kaufman. The video is found on his website - https://andrewkaufmanmd.com/. The video that is important in this can be found at -

Another video is

NOTE that you will have to copy and paste these video links into your browser by hand. Their addresses are disrupted by the forum php so that they don't click properly.

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Always makes me laugh when idiots cry about "bIg pHaRmA" and then link to the website of some absolute quack who is selling bottles of snake oil for hundreds of dollars.

hypocrisy is laughable
how about research stuff yourself and dont link it unless you have researched it.
get yourself out of the hole you are in, where you feel that socialism damaged your mind and is to blame for your circumstance

you cant blame socialism for your stupidity. your stupidity is on you. accept it then do something about it. stop pointing fingers.
i know your game. copy someone elses opinion. link their crap and when its proved wrong say that you didnt say it you just re-linked it

I see that it's starting to sink in. The truth is finally coming out so that even you can understand. But if you switch to the truth, now, you won't have anything to fear from the public when they go into lynching mode. the longer you wait, the less sincere you will seem.

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You have provided all the info. I don't need to research more. Just as you can't answer the questions with real answers - and you know it - even so the medical can't answer the questions that Del Bigtree's interviews bring up, or the points that Dr. Kaufman provides.

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bigtree and kaufman have been debunked. your ignorance, lack of understanding and your lack of memory are another few faults of yours

check your post history if you need reminding

Poor guy. Probably helped a whole lot of people in his life. Loads of doctors are fighting mask freedom, even as others see the dangers. Everybody dies sometime.

In past days, when we still were fighting with swords and spears, did the spears ever have hollow handles? Did the soldiers inject the people they jabbed? Modern warfare has figure out not only this, but how to deceive the soldiers into killing their friends rather than their enemies... and finally, even themselves.

Gotta give our enemies credit. We never saw this one coming. Guns and war machines are useless against this strategy. I.G. Farben came into the US from Frankfurt, Germany, in WW2... and took over way back then. Now they are out in the open in the form of Big Pharma.


Doctor who mocked coronavirus vaccine refusers dies days after getting jabbed (http://www.freedomsphoenix.com/News/300852-2021-03-05-doctor-who-mocked-coronavirus-vaccine-refusers-dies-days-after-getting.htm)




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the doctor had heart issues before the vaccine and died of a heart attack
the doctor did not die 'within just a few short days'

and also.. seems badecker and tvbcof both suffer from the same paranoia an use of buzzwords in their conspiracy repeats

yep "Bill Gates' experimental gene therapy"
badecker and tvbcof both keep quoting that buzzword but not even bothering to fact check any of it.

and no.. needles are not as threatening as spears. so badecker stop crying about needles

https://www.newsweek.pl/wiedza/zdrowie/szczepionka-przeciw-covid-19-zmarl-lekarz-ktory-przyjal-druga-dawke-szczepionki-na/h87wckv?fbclid=IwAR0z_B7NpwqKrkT-RiQEiMJYVjFAEP1WiIKQdt_TycJi0Esagv8tLg5XVsA
took me less than 5 minutes to fact check it. and cite a family member source.

all badecker can muster is copy/paste conspiracy sites without checking any details

Oh! Suddenly you are into comorbidities, with the vaccine as the trigger. Lol. Make up your mind. :D

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covid deaths have a known symptom list from diagnoses to death.
EG it starts with fever/cough then breathing issues. covid tests. pneumonia. xrays that show the pneumonia. then the progression of oxygen issues and then organ failure
yep known symptoms.

a gunshot wound where the person tested positive for covid but only has a fever and the death was due to blood loss from the gun shot wound and not from viral pneumonia lung damage. depriving oxygen.. wont be a covid death

its common sense.

if your walking down a side walk and some one pokes you.. then 15 minutes later you decide to jump infront a car. and die due to impact injuries.. the death would be caused by car accident. not the poke

if someone poked you so hard they pushed you into a car. then your family can say it was due to the poke

common sense

he didnt have any vaccine side effects/symptoms. he died from a heart failure known to be linked to his heart issues. the vaccine didnt ware him out. as his family knew he was not warn out by the vaccine prior

That just shows you how dangerous the vaccine is. At least the virus doesn't kill anybody on the spot. And most of those who died from it would have not died from it if they were nutritionally sound.

However, that's exactly the way you are playing the comorbidity game. The 94% who died from something else, but had Covid in their system along with all kinds of other things, died from the Covid 'trigger'... you say. But all of a sudden this doctor died of a comorbidity without having any trigger.

Unfortunately, we can't go back and do it the other way just to see what would have happened. The doctor gets the shot. He dies. Blame it on the comorbidity. But blame the 94% that the CDC said died of a comorbidity as cause of death, blame theirs on the Covid trigger, when, if it was a trigger, it could have been one of many triggers.

You are about as duplicitous as they come.

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you really have no grasp of logic and common sense..

those dying from covid. where say they had diabetes. dont die from a leg amputation triggered from the diabetes(known diabetes death symptom/cause) for it to be a diabetes related death.

they die from covid. where their body cant cope with the covid symptoms due to diabetes

there are known symptom progression from the trigger event to the death. where it can be seen what triggered it.

yes allergic reaction the day you have vaccine. can be seen as vaccine caused
no a allergic reaction 2 weeks after a vaccine cant be seen as vaccine caused

the 94% of people with co-morbidities show that those co-morbidities complicated their covid
EG alzheimers makes people not know where they are, get confused. pull out their nasal cannula and try getting out of bed and cause themselves to suffocate due to the damage covid done to their lungs
they end up unable to control their breathing and pass out. and passaway
they didnt die from confusion. they died from oxygen depravation due to the covid lung damage
EG obesity. people dont die from eating. they die from covid where their body cant cope under the strain
(big people=more cells=bigger organs=need more oxygen=die easier if lack of oxygen)

^^^ You seem to really be hung up on yourself. Who are you? Are you the CDC controller that you can override what the CDC says? Don't you realize that when the CDC says 'comorbidities', they mean illnesses other than Covid? If people really died from Covid, in this big 94% CDC correction, wouldn't the CDC have said Covid?

The CDC wants to call Covid a morbidity. So they say that the 94% died from comorbidities. 'Co' to what? 'Co' to the Covid virus. If they were going to say that the people died from the Covid morbidity, they would have said that. But they didn't, because they found that the people died from morbidities that were co to the Covid virus.

As far as triggers go, influenza might be a comorbidity of Covid, because people die from influenza at times. Likewise pneumonia. Likewise, gunshot wounds and car crashes. Everything involved is a trigger, especially if people die from those things sometimes.

But the CDC said that those 94% died from a comorbidity. Comorbidity to what? Comorbidity to Covid.

If a person had cancer and heart disease and diabetes as well as Covid, what did he die from if he died from a comorbidity to Covid? Everything works together to weaken a sick patient. But the CDC said he died from a comorbidity to Covid, and not from Covid... or they would have said so in their re-evaluation of the deaths.

How do we know this? The other percent. The other percent is the 6% who died from Covid. They had Covid bad! Maybe their diabetes was the trigger. Maybe their heart disease was the trigger (Something like 98& of people have heart disease.). But the CDC said these people died from the Covid that they had, not comorbidities to Covid.

Let's say a person died from Covid. The CDC said so. People who are smokers die from lung cancer now and then. Covid is a comorbidity of lung cancer. A person might have both. Both are comorbidities of each other. So, which one did the person die from? In the case of the 6%, the CDC said Covid. In the case of the 94%, the CDC said something else.

Why do you want people to believe in Covid deaths so badly that you contradict the CDC? Were you kicked out of the medical, and you have a grudge against them? Are you really a German spy in the UK, left over from WW2, trying your dangedest to win WW2 for the NAZIs after all this time?

Your pedestal isn't high enough, yet. Keep building it higher, so that when you crash and burn, it'll be over once and for all.

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co-morbitities does not mean what you say.
maybe get dictionary

co-morbidies from the cdc means it was a covid death where the person had other conditions that didnt help with their covid illness,
EG
diabetes makes sticky blood and slows healing and immune response and doesnt allow immune cells to flow around body as quick.
the person dying of covid with diabetes means they couldnt fight off covid nor repair the covid damage before the covid damage killed them
it was not diabetes that caused their illness where covid was an inert particle
it was covid causing the illness and diabetes not helping them fight it off

lets give an example
someones drowning in a pool. no intervention.. they die
someone else intervenes.
2 options
they help lift the person out and perform CPR
or
they push person deeper in the water. ensuring their death

lets take option 2
your claim is that the person didnt drown. water didnt get in their lungs and stop them from breathing but instead they died from 'shoulder grab'
shoulder grab by itself does not kill.

do you get that?
..
the cdc did say its covid. and then listed which comorbidities put more pressure on the covid patient whereby they couldnt fight covid and thus died.

it doesnt require being a 'CDC controller' to know common sense...
.. but maybe thats your problem...
.. you avoid common sense because you think its only something people above you should have.
.. by you deluding yourself that someone opposing you must be above you is another flaw of yours
.. its a form of self harm. psychologically.
.. maybe you know you dont understand things, and want to blame other people for your flaws
.. maybe you hate yourself and gave up trying to exercise your mind, to instead just entertain your delusions
.. maybe your just bored and just want to fangirl some influencer you have a crush on

either way. your delusions help no one and wont win you any fame or notoriety

You are right, I agree with the case you mentioned, other effects that are caused after vaccination, nausea, dizziness and feeling hungry, grandmother who has turned 94 years should be free from the vaccination program.

The rich are getting richer and the vaccination business is promising, no matter how many people suffer the effects, the world is out of control anymore, the pharmacy is the mastermind of all today's troubles.

Negative and positive covid cannot know anymore, where is covid and where is not covid is not clear, vaccines do not solve the problem.

6% died from Covid.

94% died from comorbidities, which really means Covid.

So, 100% died from Covid.

Let's hope the CDC really sees it this way, and really mans it this way. Why? It's about time that their deceptiveness is brought out into the open by what they say. It's time that all people see that they speak a different language, and then dump it on the public as though it is something exactly the opposite of what they really meant.

And, really, thank you for explaining the simple deceptiveness of the CDC, and how you join them in their deceptiveness.

If you and the CDC can talk this way, there is no reason to believe anything that you or they say. Time to shut medicine down, and replace it with nutrition, so that we can keep our money and live healthy lives.

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firstly.. your '94% comorbidity" narrative is you talking about some conspiracy site script you read..
its obvious because you have yet to actually check the CDC website to see what CC actually says and instead you just say "lets hope the CDC"

maybe actually stop auto-dumbing yourself down by just taking conspiracy narratives as your own
if you really want to continue looking at conspiracy sites.. atleast read them.. THEN CHECK THEM

if people died of just diabetes.. their death of diabetes would be their mortality cause..
morbidity means a disease type
co-mobidity means where there are more than one disease types co-existing in one person

learn the difference between the 3 different words
co-morbidity, morbidity, mortality
 
the whole point of the term c-omorbidity is because they died due to covid. with complications of another thing.. aka a co-morbidity(another disease)

no where does it say in the CDC report that people died by 94% by just the illnesses under the category 'co-morbidity'
no where does it say their mortality cause was the co-morbidity

so grow up.wise up. start researching. and stop being ignorant and using ignorance as 'hope'

^^^ You are so deceptive. For example, some poor guy is dying in the hospital. His cancer and diabetes have been killing him for a long time. Then he gets pneumonia. His doctor thinks he might have Covid. So he swabs him.

The patient happened to have 5 Covid viruses in him. The swab took one of them, so now he has 4. The PCR multiplies it to look like he has billions of Covid viruses in him. He dies from cancer and diabetes, weakened beyond the point of no return by the pneumonia.

Suddenly he died of Covid. Why? Because he had 4 Covid viruses in him, and died of comorbidities. Guess what? The Covid wasn't a comorbidity at 4 virus particles. But the doctor will never know, because the PCR multiplied it into something way beyond the stars.

The comorbidities are a bunch of diseases and maladies. But nobody knows that they include Covid in any of the so-called Covid cases. Could they be Covid? Anything is possible. But it's highly unlikely... because the PCR test multiplies them so that nobody knows how much Covid any patient has in him.


The Covid Outbreak: “Biggest Health Scam of the 21st Century.” Report by 1500 Health Professionals (http://www.freedomsphoenix.com/News/300939-2021-03-07-the-covid-outbreak-biggest-health-scam-of-the-21st-century.htm)




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no.. thats not how it works
they can actually see by witnessing the symptoms and progression of a ilness event to know which caused which

also the more times you have to multiply the less you will result as being covid positive
so 5 particles= negative as it would require more cycles to amplify it to detectable levels than the threshold

yes emphasis more cycle=less positive result..
..
they can see the pneumonia is caused by covid by doing xrays and also bronchial lavage tests, biopsies and also the symptomology.
yes medical doctors in hospitals have equipment and training.
-just dont rely on your male masseuse who wears a costume.. he doesnt have the same tools/skills

you really need to learn some basics about modern medicine. things even a 5year old can learn.
dont get medical advice from your male masseuse

but atleast learn this very basic fact
more cycles=less positive. after 35 cycles.. they deem it negative. and dont cycle any further than 40.
the reason they do it an extra 5 times . well its just a nice round number to stop at

Unfortunately for millions of people, medicine really needs to learn how things work. They are part-way there, but they are looking only at the part that they have discovered, and not at their little part in the whole scheme of things.

For example. When Dr. Max Gerson found that late-stage cancer patients were expelling potassium from their bodies, unlike the rest of the medical community, he found the answer. The sick body was mistaking potassium for sodium, and expelling the wrong thing. So, he added potassium to his cancer cure, and it worked. When the medical found that it worked, they kicked Dr. Gerson out of the States.

It's way past time that you and the medical found out what is really going on. The Covid exosome is simply a messenger telling the rest of the body that there is a problem with its nutrition. And when the problem grows into a disaster, the Covid exosome multiplies to tell more of the body that there is an emergency.

Then the medical comes along and fights the symptoms, and screws up the whole process of nature. Sure, it stops the Covid exosome overwork... sometimes. But in the end, the person doesn't become healthier. He becomes weaker so that the next time he is hit with the warning system, he is immediately overwhelmed by it. It's called a cytokine storm, and it's really an immune reaction to two contradicting maladies: 1) a nutritional or toxic condition in the body; 2) the vaccine telling the body that there is no problem, when the immune system knows differently.

People and doctors are waking up to this stuff. Why aren't you, f-1? Stubbornly going on your way with medical things that haven't been working for decades.


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funny part is .. its your cannabis salesmen group that are the ones only treating the symptoms of cancer..
funny part is .. telling people to go home and just eat better is not treating the disease
                      eating a carrot and lettuce wont cure cancer

funny part is that your constant fear of vaccines has no bases in science. so i guess your real fear is just the needle. or the fact that its not your male masseuse that is inserting something into your body.

There so many pages here but if you're still keeping track of this, in March for the past 5 years 8000-12000 people die a week. A high number of them are likely old people so many people may have had the vaccine and subsequently died of something unrelated (because that's what happens when you give a vaccine to someone with a 1 in 3 chance of dying per year they're alive - in their 90s).

@badecker, as someone who's had covid, that can also fuck up a lot of shit. How do we know the vaccine isn't safer than the virus with infection likely being inevitable for most people? Both the virus and the vaccine infect everyone with a very similar thing, the difference is one doesn't multiply rapidly (or at all).

Wsup Jack, nice to have you around here again.

You’re totally right as you’re using critical thinking as the way to get to your solution. The regular infection has a very high chance of killing someone who is older (I’ll say 65+) while the vaccine has not killed anyone after usage of it.

Sometimes it sadly just isn’t worth trying to explain to some people. The ignore button is very helpful and used liberally on P&S

It would be nearly trivial to tease out the truth of the effects of the vaccine using some basic statistics if one had reliable data.  This is why attacks on data are so pernicious and widespread among the power structures who hold the reigns of control at this time (e.g., the CDC and by extension, those who influence that entity.)

The best that any earnest independent analysts can get is VAERS data with a reporting rate which runs at under 1% and has no reporting standards whatsoever.  There is no way that this is an accident.

Elderlies are not being forced to take the vaccine as many complications can happen with regards to their age. There will be consent regarding elders being vaccinated.

There are many people in here in this forum, who were already vaccinated and didn't shown to be dead. I also know many relatives who are all vaccinated and working right now as part of the frontiliners.

You are getting too hype in many conspiracies that solutions such as this  was not an option to you. But don't cry when new protocols such as establishments prohibiting unvaccinated from entering their premises. Because one such believes that this vaccine is the way for us to go back to normal.

I've been expecting something like this for a number of years and have always planned to have a rural place where I can get by with, hopefully, just a few years of house arrest.  When the expected 'turning' showed up in 2020, it just accelerated my plans somewhat (my already constructed rural place being in the wrong country.)  This stuff has been massively predicatively programmed for a while, and the predictive programming had become more precise by the year.

Don't cry when you are sterilized and dying of cancer while you suffer through a variety of immune system dysfunctions.  Just know that you are doing your part to 'save the earth' while you enjoy your '3D printed mystery meat'.  And remember Big Brother Bill Loves You and we are all so blessed that he used his fortune to 'heal the Earth'.

You can use the ignore button with me. I've used it sometimes but just with trolls or people who are not respectful enough when they argue, not just because they don't agree with me.

I'll give you that an older person has a relative high chance of dying. It was said to be 20% in the early months of the pandemic but this figure has now been lowered. But whatever, even if it is 10%, it is a relatively high figure.

What is false is the second thing you say. Yes, there have been people who have died after getting the vaccine. Certainly in percentage less than 10% and it is not clear if they died because of the vaccine or for some other reason.

There are people in the forum who say that there are a lot of people dying everywhere because of the vaccine but you ask them for links to back what they say and they do not provide them.

attacks on data are widespread among the power structures..
hmmm
no the attacks are widespread amung the conspiracy theorists...against the power structures

note the difference

when you stop relying on conspiracy sites fighting talk... and realise that real doctors treating real patients making real medical reports.. has more reliable rate at much higher than your foolish mis-informed 1%
you start to realise those having severe adverse affects that require hospital treatment are pretty much 99.9% accurate.

yea only 1% of crybabies cry about the insignificant 'boo boos'. but that does not mean the severe adverse reports are too only 1% accurate

We are finding out that standard medical sites are and have been the conspiracy sites all along. franky1 is a conspiracy theorist.

How can you tell? In the range of 99% of people who visit the medical would have been fine without the visit by using a little common sense about their malady. In fact, many of those people were persuaded into some kind of procedure that harmed them more than they would have been helped if they had done nothing. When you consider the millions of people who die under doctors' care, and the $billions of dollars they pay the doctors to die, it's turning out that the enemy is really the medical.

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Don't know about the cases within the United States. But in India, a 103-year old lady got vaccinated a few days back and as per the news reports she faced no side effects:

https://www.hindustantimes.com/india-news/103yearold-kameshwari-j-becomes-india-s-oldest-woman-to-get-covid-19-vaccine-101615309198971.html

Those in their 80s and 90s are getting vaccinated all around the world and hardly any side effects are being reported. I understand that some people have an interest in spreading anti-vaccine propaganda, but there is hardly any truth in these claims of widespread adverse reaction to the medication.

Yes of course, it is not so important if a specific person suffers certain side effects, what is important is the percentage, along with the severity of the side effects. If we had to discard drugs because one person (or a small percentage) had adverse effects, pharmacies would not exist.

If you're in a private system then this really is something I can't argue with. Overprescription and over attendence seems problematic, I've heard annocdotes of people coming to the UK and Scandinavia and using the socialised services and being surprised when a cold/sore throat is prescribed a hot beverage, a bath and rest. Rather than the US where you're probably at the very least sold antibiotics which will do nothing more than a placebo.

(I can't obviously call any system perfect as none are but some seem better than others in certain aspects). Don't bring up cancer rates though - there is a problem with thinking you can cure everything at home.

The vaccines hasn't showed any irregularities within its effects. In fact, even medical community supports the vaccine. THE MEDICAL COMMUNITY who had been in the frontlines treating covid, and treating any other kinds of diseases and virus worldwide. So who am I, who was not even on a medicinal course to neglect their professional actions and opinions regarding the situation.

On the other hand, COVID-19 can cause male infertility by harming the testicular cells (https://www.nationalheraldindia.com/health/coronavirus-can-cause-male-infertility-study).  :o

There are thousands of medical doctors and scientist calling BS on the scamdemic, and some of them calling it a flat out hoax.

A doctor or scientist who is willing to say something when their only reward (apart from hoping to avoid a 'new normal', 'great reset' world run by Gates and the WEF billionaires) is a ton of grief and the end of their careers is someone who has automatic credibility.

A doctor or scientist who will tow the technocratic line when it is clearly anti-science is a slimy worm.  I would and do factor that in when they spout their bullshit.  That is double-true for sad celebrity-doctors who make their money off mainstream media.


Well Golly Gee Wilikers!  Who could have seen that coming???

You can bet your bottom dollar that modifications which cause human infertility were at the top of the pile in the various facilities working on 'gain of function' research for coronavirus.  That would include the BL4 lab in Wuhan which did such research on U.S. grants complents of Dr. Fausti and his NIAID.

Probably the biggest reason why that 94-y-o lady got the shot. :D

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ignore it if asymptomatic. minor symptomatic. mild

however if moderately or severely sick with any infection. your body, when under strain decides to turn off or dampen bodily functions so it can concentrate on fighting the infection
this is why you stop feeling hungry. because your body has slowed down your digestive system.
this is why you can be less horny. because your body has slowed down your hormone production. its why your more irritable and why your not making as much sperm
also fever reduces sperm count.. so ice your scrotum aswell as your forehead if you have high fever

but once your body is recovered your hormone and body functions speed back up temperature goes down
so relaxed.. your not infertile.. your just temporarily drained

Thats why I believe this covid thing is man made virus. Created to make the poor poorer and rich richer. There are evil people behind this manipulation. Fuck the market makers

its natural zoonotic virus (passed naturally animal-human). however yes some people can profit and some can lose by any crisis/event

Here I thought that this experimental vaccine was only going to hurt a few. Turns out that almost all people will lose their natural immunity from it... if they don't die directly. This means that more and more medicines and vaccines will be needed for everything. We're becoming enslaved to modern medicine through this vaccine.

Check out https://mcusercontent.com/92561d6dedb66a43fe9a6548f/files/ee29efbe-ffaf-4289-8782-d323642a0072/concern_about_using_current_Covid_19_vaccines_for_mass_vaccination_in_the_midst_of_a_pandemic_Geert_Vanden_Bossche.pdf.


Halt All Covid-19 Mass Vaccination Immediately (Open Letter to WHO) - Vaccine Research Expert (http://www.freedomsphoenix.com/News/301143-2021-03-11-halt-all-covid-19-mass-vaccination-immediately-open-letter-to.htm)




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do you even try to understand what he is actually saying

he is saying that:
1.lock up old people indefinetly
2. let the virus spread.
3. make people get infected by ensuring they mingle and gather

he says he fears viruses spreading but then says people should spread viruses

his theory is that with viruses mutating. someone inhaling someone elses breath might get one strain. where in the left lung it mutates slightly and in the right lung it doesnt. and that infectee then exhales 2 strains.
the next person inhaling it then has to fight 2 strains which although is a greater threat. its a way of getting different antibodies flowing for different strains.
(big IF... IF the person survives their infection)

he says because the vaccine is only a single strain once a year its only affective towards whatever strain was around 12 months before someone was giving the jab. and so not as effective at future protection compared to someone getting the current seasons viral mixed strains

the flaws in his theory is..
current social distancing means the strains have not mutated enough to make vaccines ineffective. however
letting it spread wild and unrestricted will cause many more strains and make it completely unable to be controlled.
this will cause more deaths or cause more lockdowns to avoid deaths. and then no vaccine strategy can ever be used

so.. the better advice is keeping the viral spread suppressed with social distancing and then vaccinating while the mutation generations are low enough . means people can be protected and then not spread the virus. making it less deadly per year
..
stupidly the guy actually wants to spread the virus and let it mutate and make sure it mutates faster than researchers can prep a vaccine for(facepalm).. killing many many people due to wanting no restrictions and lots of infections and lots of strains..

^^^ Unfortunately, he believes much of the virus baloney like you do. However, you point out that he says that herd immunity has to do with people mingling rather than any vaccine. So, he is right... especially if they mingle where they are eating nutritious food and taking vitamins to enhance the strength of the nutrition. In proper nutrition circumstances, Covid illness doesn't stand the chance of a nitro-cellulose dog chasing an asbestos cat in hell.

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I have many relatives in the medical field, just that I don't want it so I got to engineering, so I guess I will stick to what they're saying about what really is happening in the society and they vouch for that. They also had been vaccinated for it  ;).

In other words, your statements about them saying anything for reward is nonsense to me, as I have someone in our household who is in the frontline, risking their safety to serve the public.  :-\

I don't blame you for not understanding what is going on. While I understood it a little at first, only today has the real impact of it become clear.

What is going on is even worse than my quote above. The thing that this vaccine class is setting us up for is none other than the destruction of humanity off the face of the earth.

To be clear about this, watch two videos. The first is Del Bigtree's Highwire video entitled VACCINE DISASTER AHEAD at https://www.bitchute.com/video/BGtSE3OfO2wv/. Start watching at 1 hour, and watch through 2 hours 5 minutes. This part of the Highwire video shows part of a video where Geert Vanden Bossche, PhD., is interviewed by a Dr. Philip McMillan. Del explains some of the things that Geert Vanden Bossche, PhD., says. But go here http://bit.ly/GeertV or https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZJZxiNxYLpc&t=2128s to watch this whole video without Del's explanations.

The major point is, this kind of vaccine that is being produced and used for Covid-19, will essentially take down the population of the whole world, to zero, in time... even if you don't get vaccinated. And it is being done for money, and without the real understanding of what is going on with this vaccine.

It reminds me of the point in the Bible where Jesus says, Matthew 24:22:Soon, even if it is some years, yet, God is going to intervene, Himself.

Bye, franky1. It's been fun.

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if we agree that blood plasma (https://www.cochrane.org/CD013600/HAEMATOL_plasma-people-who-have-recovered-covid-19-effective-treatment-people-covid-19) is more effective, then the trillion-dollar vaccine business will suffer.

And we kinda should agree about the blood plasma, because wealthy people are getting blood transfusions from young people - late teens and early 20s - because it takes as much as 10 years off their age appearance and increases their energy. Look at this, This anti-aging startup says US$8,000 worth of young blood can help you live longer - https://nationalpost.com/news/world/why-a-silicon-valley-company-is-pumping-old-people-full-of-young-blood-for-us8000.

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This is because they want to do something about high level of population in the world by getting rid of the oldest and the weakest ones. I`m honestly not surprised by this case since my grandfather had similar case, he is healthy and active as well, ever since he got the vaccine he cant vomiting and diarrhea is included as well. So I would strongly suggest to all of the old people who are in doubt should they get the vaccine or not to simply give up from this whole idea...

These vaccines are going to over ride there intent because, peolhave got allergies for goodness sake.
Are these vaccines been tested to certify the possibility of individual persons allergies and even i cause of administration? Because, people are being forced to take these things looking at the greater good mean while  these vaccines after effect have not been known yet. It's really bad!
I feel sorry for the old lady already and I think this vaccination thing should be made optional rather than being forced on people as the case seems. Its as though there isn't human right anymore!

Is anybody in the medical doing autopsies on people who might have died from the vaccine? I mean, how do you tell if it was the vaccine or something else? We can't go beck and do it over the other way just as a test. Maybe they would have died anyway, without the vaccine, right? Maybe some of them actually didn't die because they received the vaccine, right?

The funny thing is, the medical suggests some adverse reactions will happen from the vaccine. So if they are adverse reactions, couldn't some of them be so adverse that people die?

VAERS - Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System - https://vaers.hhs.gov/

The CDC is running the above site. The CDC says that the vaccine is safe and effective. People dying from the vaccines are only coincidental deaths... bad timing. Countries all over Europe are stopping the vaccine because of coincidental deaths. Nothing to fear. Those people would have died anyway... right? Europe is stupid, right?

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It can be, it can be not.

Somebody's gonna be lying if two contradicting claims are in action. But scientifically, the medical would say they're telling the truth, while Hagler needs a proof that hearns really do get the virus before he died.

Also, the name of the vaccine must be named, and not just he get the vaccine.

Nope, without any evidence, there is no conclusion to be made. As a matter of fact, this is all just claims from people to people.

he died from a heart attack. and had heart issues way before the vaccine

he did not die from:
allergic reaction
turning into a lizard from DNA mutation
needle infection
any other cause antivaxxers use to fear having the jab themselves

10% of americans have heart disease
640k die from heart disease each year
thats ~320k deaths in 6 months

with the goal of vaccinating everyone in 6 months. and a 48 hour 'symptom window'
thats about 3500 people that die naturally of their heart disease. who just happen to have had a event within 48 hours

yep its the same odds of 3500 people with heart disease dying within 48 hours of their birthday
yep its the same odds of 3500 people with heart disease dying within 48 hours of valentines day
yep its the same odds of 3500 people with heart disease dying within 48 hours of christmas

pick any day. call that an event. and you will find 3500 people died within 48 hours of that event
yet the event did not cause it.
emphasis: 3500 people die from heart attack every 48 hours of any day
83000 people with heart disease have a vaccine per 48 hour window

however if alot more than 3500 died on a certain event.. then they can look into that.
however the deathrate from vaccine relating to heart attack is no more than the statistical average expected
.... (usually a bad batch will show a statistic above the average eg 4000-83000 with heart disease every 48 hours of a vaccine. but not statistically meant to die in that year)

in europe there was a sign of a more apparent rise in bloodclot death which is why they stopped that batch and investigating.

however death from heart attack is normal amounts expected whether they had vaccine or not

^^^In other words, he died from a comorbidity to the vaccine. Did they do an autopsy? Maybe it was even Covid that triggered it.

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if the vaccine was faulty/caused heart attacks. you would see more then the average deaths of heart attacks

i know numbers are not your thing. i know understanding science is not your thing
but try to learn some basics

^^^ Healthy people don't simply fall over and die for nothing. There has to be some cause.

"Oh, but the cause isn't the vaccine... just because he got vaccinated only two days ago. Where's the proof that it was the vaccine?"

Maybe it was because he went to Starbucks for the first time in his life, and used the restroom there. Or any other such nonsense, right?

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people with blood disorders get clots.... its kinda obvious
people with heart disease have heart attacks/failures.. kinda obvious
people with allergies have allergic reactions.. kinda obvious

do you get it yet

they know the average number of people that suffer from their pre-existing condition each year.
they divide the down by 182 to work out how many will sufer in a 48 hour period.

then if more then this number suffer in that period. they then know its a statistical anomoly which suggests something else caused it

again if there were masses more deaths within a 48 hour window.. then obviously there is something causing it that is happen on that certain event period thats not happening outside the event period

.. the thing is higher numbers are not occuring
media is just seeing people out the 182 people that would die at some point. in a 48 hour period of a year.
and then when 1 dies and it happen to be their birthday. anniversary or day they got socked or had a vaccine.. blame the event for the cause.

like i said and logic dictates. if the average is 1 death per 48 hours.. but suddenly say 5 died on the same day.. then it is deemed out of the ordinary and would be looked into

take europe. they reacted fast when 4-6 had blood clots but then noticed that 4-6 is not out of the ordinary for any other day no matter the event

please learn some basic facts of life. basic numbers of what happens in reality..
if you think absolutely no one had bloodclots before 2020.. your fooling yourself

edit: this is not science guesswork. this is common sense. something you need to learn before you can even grasp science

^^^ Wow! That's some of the best science guesswork I have heard you talk about yet. Come on. You can do even better. Just try a little harder.

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My 90 year old grandmother got her first injection a few weeks back without any side effects. She could even drive a car straight after the vaccine. I heard the side effects are stronger after the second injection, which is going to be next week. I will keep everyone one posted if there are any side effects. The number of elderly people who have a reaction to the vaccination seems to be fairly small.

Nonetheless, baddecker and frends will disregard whatever good results this may be unless it is the negative one. They believed that the small number who have negative reactions to the vaccine, represents the whole mass.

If you only look at the tip of the iceberg, that's all you will see. But the main portion is underwater.

The media only looks at the tip, to speak of. And it exaggerates the glories of the tip. Start looking at the important part, which the media ignores, yet which is holding the truth.

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So sad to hear about what happen to that old healthy woman... for sure her daughter did not mean to harm her she just want to keep her mother safe as always..but as far as old woman is healthy, I think it is much better not to let her get vaccinated after all she's healthy enough except for poor eye sight due to aging.Her body react to the drug/vaccine given to her...hope she'll be okay.

For me this vaccines shouldn't be made compulsory. We have had our normal.life's before the outbreak of this dreaded pandemic and after it surfaced social distance became the new way of existing. For me the vaccine is not a cure nor a preventive tool for covid-19. I might not know how long it might have taken the scientist to carry out this research before production of the vaccine but my concern is how reliable is the drug since human life is involved.

I think that is the concern of everyone since the start of the news that vaccine has been created, and yet many peoples are brave enough to face the fears of the unknown, and is now doing fine. I think if you are only concern about the reliability, you can look for your neighbors or other people you may have known to be vaccinated, and seek their own personal opinion about the vaccine.

its not an unknown though.. the science is clear
rna breaks down in a couple days. has no replication factor.. so science KNOWS it wont lead to cancers later
also they done 9 months+ of trials. so they know the results.
its not a magic mystery formula created december 2020 and given to masses from december 2020

antivaxxers dont socialise with neighbours. nor do they do actual research. they instead seek out strangers that share their fears. and use that collective minority of ignorance as their reasons to fear things they dont understand. nd then reinforce that ignorance as the reason to not try to understand

How in the world long does anyone expect to live? The point is healthy living as much as possible as long as life lasts.

We all make mistakes. So, these people made some, as well. Making mistakes is part of life. So, maybe death has one big advantage... can't make more mistakes when dead.

Look below to see what is going on with little news coverage. Considering world events, the point isn't, really, doubling how long a person lives by 2035. The point is the question of there being any world to live in by2035. Ironic, isn't it, that the vaccine is producing so many deaths... VAERS.


Scientific Progress to Radical Antiaging, Aubrey Sees 50+% of Longevity Escape Velocity by 2035 (https://www.freedomsphoenix.com/News/301911-2021-03-26-scientific-progress-to-radical-antiaging-aubrey-sees-50-of-longevity.htm)




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^^^ As we are finding from the CDC in their VAERS reporting, thousands of people are dying, and thousands more are getting sick from the vaccine. In addition, many thousands more that might be vaccine side effects, are reported as not being side effects by the doctor, but they could be.

If that isn't enough, standard knowledge is that VAERS only receives about 10% of the reports that are out there. This means that there are multiple thousands more dying, etc., from the vaccine than VAERS reports on.

Reports are starting to come out of university studies, that the 10% that VAERS reports on could be only 1% of what is really happening.

The point? Deaths and side effects from the vaccines are worse than getting Covid. And it is all being hidden, misinterpreted, and down-played by the CDC and the medical. And this doesn't even begin to address the fact that the vaccines are experimental gene testing.

So, absolutely be safe rather than sorry. Run for your life when you see the needle coming.

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