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Title: Whom do you call the Mother of this Child? Post by: Ucy on February 23, 2021, 10:04:54 AM A thief steals a child from the care of her real mother in a hospital, she changes the mother's hospital record to hers ... the real mother discovers this and scream for help but the thief claim the child is hers. The Nurses intervene, look at the Hospital record, compare it with the thief ID, and then accept the claim of the thief. The real mother scream more for help, people gather around, and the nurses/doctors finally decides to give the child to the thief. The Mother refuses and decides to look for other means to prove she owns the child.
* Would you encourage her to prove she really owns the child even when the world tells her she shouldn't? *What method would you recommend she use in proving ownership of the child? * Better still, How do you tell who really owns the child? * Would you call the thief the mother of the child without knowing the truth or without having convincing proof of who the real mother of the child really is? * What do you think is the right punishment for the thief once the true mother is known? Title: Re: Whom do you call the Mother of this Child? Post by: boyptc on February 23, 2021, 10:32:44 AM *What method would you recommend she use in proving ownership of the child? With modern technology, DNA test is the only solution to know who's the real mother of the child. But if we're in the old ages, we need a mediator like King Solomon who had dealt with the same situation as what you've said.With a DNA test, there will be a scientific basis who's the biological mother/parents of the child. Title: Re: Whom do you call the Mother of this Child? Post by: bitterguy28 on February 23, 2021, 10:43:55 AM I remember reading a faboul I read about almost the same situation and how the King handles to resolve the case.
The King offers to Cut the Child so the 2 claimants ( Mother and the thief) will have equal share of the child . But the real mother refuses and tell the king that She will give up the claim and will let the thief own the Child and so the king finds who the real mother is, because the real mother won't let Her child be hurt . Title: Re: Whom do you call the Mother of this Child? Post by: boyptc on February 23, 2021, 11:04:01 AM I remember reading a faboul I read about almost the same situation and how the King handles to resolve the case. That was King Solomon. ;)The King offers to Cut the Child so the 2 claimants ( Mother and the thief) will have equal share of the child . But the real mother refuses and tell the king that She will give up the claim and will let the thief own the Child and so the king finds who the real mother is, because the real mother won't let Her child be hurt . --> https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1%20Kings%203%3A16-28&version=KJV Title: Re: Whom do you call the Mother of this Child? Post by: bitterguy28 on February 23, 2021, 11:15:43 AM I remember reading a faboul I read about almost the same situation and how the King handles to resolve the case. That was King Solomon. ;)The King offers to Cut the Child so the 2 claimants ( Mother and the thief) will have equal share of the child . But the real mother refuses and tell the king that She will give up the claim and will let the thief own the Child and so the king finds who the real mother is, because the real mother won't let Her child be hurt . --> https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1%20Kings%203%3A16-28&version=KJV But that's one of the best part that i remember and this thread reminds me of this once again. Title: Re: Whom do you call the Mother of this Child? Post by: Rruchi man on February 23, 2021, 11:30:35 AM * Would you encourage her to prove she really owns the child even when the world tells her she shouldn't? If you really spent 9 months carrying a child, you will never let anyone steal the child from you without a fight. *What method would you recommend she use in proving ownership of the child? A DNA test should give a clear answer.* Would you call the thief the mother of the child without knowing the truth or without having convincing proof of who the real mother of the child really is? I will be patient to get the results from the DNA test.* What do you think is the right punishment for the thief once the true mother is known? She should be imprisoned for trying to steal someone's child. Title: Re: Whom do you call the Mother of this Child? Post by: Renampun on February 23, 2021, 12:01:04 PM ... we are lucky that now we have accurate DNA proving technology...the testing accuracy of the current DNA test is 99.9%. after all the thief must be willing to go through the DNA procedure because otherwise just put that thief in jail. Title: Re: Whom do you call the Mother of this Child? Post by: acener on February 23, 2021, 12:53:33 PM A thief steals a child from the care of her real mother in a hospital, she changes the mother's hospital record to hers ... the real mother discovers this and scream for help but the thief claim the child is hers. The Nurses intervene, look at the Hospital record, compare it with the thief ID, and then accept the claim of the thief. The real mother scream more for help, people gather around, and the nurses/doctors finally decides to give the child to the thief. The Mother refuses and decides to look for other means to prove she owns the child. Luckily we have DNA test to prove those kind of issues,* Would you encourage her to prove she really owns the child even when the world tells her she shouldn't? *What method would you recommend she use in proving ownership of the child? * Better still, How do you tell who really owns the child? * Would you call the thief the mother of the child without knowing the truth or without having convincing proof of who the real mother of the child really is? * What do you think is the right punishment for the thief once the true mother is known? The situation is too difficult to be honest it is hard to say what would I do if I ever experience it on real life, I wouldn't know what really happens so I couldn't give out my own opinion but knowing myself I would provably go along with the record first but if I got annoyed or see that the real mother is pursuing it I would doubt it and talk about having a DNA test to end it once and for all. Title: Re: Whom do you call the Mother of this Child? Post by: boyptc on February 23, 2021, 03:22:49 PM I remember reading a faboul I read about almost the same situation and how the King handles to resolve the case. That was King Solomon. ;)The King offers to Cut the Child so the 2 claimants ( Mother and the thief) will have equal share of the child . But the real mother refuses and tell the king that She will give up the claim and will let the thief own the Child and so the king finds who the real mother is, because the real mother won't let Her child be hurt . --> https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1%20Kings%203%3A16-28&version=KJV But that's one of the best part that i remember and this thread reminds me of this once again. It's one of the most popular actions that King Solomon did and it will always be remembered until the end of time. Title: Re: Whom do you call the Mother of this Child? Post by: Heat2coiN on February 23, 2021, 03:28:02 PM I just imagine the most dramatic scene from some movie, how the mother is crying and the thief is so convincing, that every body are excepting her lies for true. There is a big fight in the corridor of the hospital.. Movie Big Movie :D
But for the theme definitely DNA, in the real world can't happened such a scene from movie. Title: Re: Whom do you call the Mother of this Child? Post by: peter0425 on February 24, 2021, 01:40:15 AM * Would you encourage her to prove she really owns the child even when the world tells her she shouldn't? Quote *What method would you recommend she use in proving ownership of the child? Like what above said we have DNA testing now.Quote * Better still, How do you tell who really owns the child? You are the mother , there is a Blood spark for sure.Quote * Would you call the thief the mother of the child without knowing the truth or without having convincing proof of who the real mother of the child really is? She will never be enough to become a mother.Quote [/b] Beheaded ;D ;D ;D* What do you think is the right punishment for the thief once the true mother is known? Title: Re: Whom do you call the Mother of this Child? Post by: Ucy on February 24, 2021, 08:31:16 AM I remember reading a faboul I read about almost the same situation and how the King handles to resolve the case. The King offers to Cut the Child so the 2 claimants ( Mother and the thief) will have equal share of the child . But the real mother refuses and tell the king that She will give up the claim and will let the thief own the Child and so the king finds who the real mother is, because the real mother won't let Her child be hurt. Interesting. The bolded part actually helps solve part of the problem I'm trying to solve with my post. *The real mother gaveup power for the sake of a nation*. I believe she will get the child back. Title: Re: Whom do you call the Mother of this Child? Post by: Ucy on February 24, 2021, 09:18:43 AM *What method would you recommend she use in proving ownership of the child? With modern technology, DNA test is the only solution to know who's the real mother of the child. But if we're in the old ages, we need a mediator like King Solomon who had dealt with the same situation as what you've said.With a DNA test, there will be a scientific basis who's the biological mother/parents of the child. Ofcourse. Solomon was a wise judge and his judgment quickly revealed the truth because GOD was with him. Wish people of today's world would completely depend on GOD for Just and quick judgment. To determine who the real mother is, I'd transparently & thorough investige/test the child's features(both physical & others features), compare them with both women(and their husbands/families) features to determine who the real mother really is. The means for testing the child has to be accurate and acceptable to both parties/women. The Processes, Rules, Examiners also have to be acceptable to both parties.. And these must not be changed without their consents. People who have nothing to hide would allow/encourage a thorough investigation of the case. People who have something to hide won't allow this, or they will do it in ways that's unacceptable by either party. Title: Re: Whom do you call the Mother of this Child? Post by: BADecker on February 24, 2021, 11:39:24 AM @theOP.
Most of us don't realize that the thief is the US Government (in America). How does the government steal your child? Through the birth certificate. The birth certificate is a UCC-1 form (Uniform Commercial Code numbers may have changed, lately), a transfer of property form. When Mom or Dad signs the birth certificate, he/she transfers the baby to the trustee-ship of the US Government. Of course, it is done deceptively, without knowledge of the parents. Since the parents don't know what they have done, they can't fight it and get their property (their child) back. So, they raise the government's child. The most they can do is get a bunch of people together and demonstrate if they don't like the way government dictates their children are treated. Then they get arrested, and have to pay a fine in court. But it's their own fault for having the kid in a hospital that won't release the kid to them if they don't sign the birth certificate. Take your kids back from government. Formally rescind your signatures off their birth certificates. And when government takes you to court, call your kids your property, and challenge government for their ownership of your property. Look here https://www.youtube.com/c/CraigLynch/videos and learn this stuff to free yourselves from all kinds of stupid ways you assigned your property - even your own body - to government. 8) Title: Re: Whom do you call the Mother of this Child? Post by: ethereumhunter on February 24, 2021, 12:16:20 PM The only method to prove that child belongs to her birth mother is by test DNA. By using that DNA, people will see who is the birth mother of that child so that the hospital can give that child to her. Both women can use the hospital facilities to check their DNA, and I hope that the hospital can accommodate that and will not charge for both women.
To determine who the real mother is, I'd transparently & thorough investige/test the child's features(both physical & others features), compare them with both women(and their husbands/families) features to determine who the real mother really is. The means for testing the child has to be accurate and acceptable to both parties/women. The Processes, Rules, Examiners also have to be acceptable to both parties.. And these must not be changed without their consents. I think it is enough to use DNA to check the child's blood and compare it to the birth mother, so I think that will work for them. I am curious about the age of that child because if that child was born a few days ago, I think that can be a guide to know which woman has been giving birth a few days ago.People who have nothing to hide would allow/encourage a thorough investigation of the case. People who have something to hide won't allow this, or they will do it in ways that's unacceptable by either party. Title: Re: Whom do you call the Mother of this Child? Post by: boyptc on February 24, 2021, 01:29:17 PM *What method would you recommend she use in proving ownership of the child? With modern technology, DNA test is the only solution to know who's the real mother of the child. But if we're in the old ages, we need a mediator like King Solomon who had dealt with the same situation as what you've said.With a DNA test, there will be a scientific basis who's the biological mother/parents of the child. Ofcourse. Solomon was a wise judge and his judgment quickly revealed the truth because GOD was with him. Wish people of today's world would completely depend on GOD for Just and quick judgment. To determine who the real mother is, I'd transparently & thorough investige/test the child's features(both physical & others features), compare them with both women(and their husbands/families) features to determine who the real mother really is. The means for testing the child has to be accurate and acceptable to both parties/women. The Processes, Rules, Examiners also have to be acceptable to both parties.. And these must not be changed without their consents. People who have nothing to hide would allow/encourage a thorough investigation of the case. People who have something to hide won't allow this, or they will do it in ways that's unacceptable by either party. It is what usually the procedure that I've seen with a situation like this in countless times. Investigating the physical appearance of the baby and comparing it to the possible biological mother is vague, IMHO. Title: Re: Whom do you call the Mother of this Child? Post by: Ucy on February 24, 2021, 04:08:36 PM *What method would you recommend she use in proving ownership of the child? With modern technology, DNA test is the only solution to know who's the real mother of the child. But if we're in the old ages, we need a mediator like King Solomon who had dealt with the same situation as what you've said.With a DNA test, there will be a scientific basis who's the biological mother/parents of the child. Ofcourse. Solomon was a wise judge and his judgment quickly revealed the truth because GOD was with him. Wish people of today's world would completely depend on GOD for Just and quick judgment. To determine who the real mother is, I'd transparently & thorough investige/test the child's features(both physical & others features), compare them with both women(and their husbands/families) features to determine who the real mother really is. The means for testing the child has to be accurate and acceptable to both parties/women. The Processes, Rules, Examiners also have to be acceptable to both parties.. And these must not be changed without their consents. People who have nothing to hide would allow/encourage a thorough investigation of the case. People who have something to hide won't allow this, or they will do it in ways that's unacceptable by either party. It is what usually the procedure that I've seen with a situation like this in countless times. Investigating the physical appearance of the baby and comparing it to the possible biological mother is vague, IMHO. I wouldn't want to completely trust/depend on DNA testing... that's why I included other methods for knowing who the real parents are. I have seen couple of articles about the flaws of DNA testing... not sure yet how true they are. So, we have to be sure it's very reliable by maybe comparing it with other fairly reliable methods. If things get complicated, I would choose the King Solomon method. It can be effective at revealing truths if the judge is GOD's servant. Title: Re: Whom do you call the Mother of this Child? Post by: boyptc on February 24, 2021, 05:34:13 PM I wouldn't want to completely trust/depend on DNA testing... that's why I included other methods for knowing who the real parents are. I have seen couple of articles about the flaws of DNA testing... not sure yet how true they are. Is that is so? there are scientific proof and basis that results would be good. It will go through the laboratory and the proper test that shall be conducted will make sure the relation of the child and the parent.So, we have to be sure it's very reliable by maybe comparing it with other fairly reliable methods. If things get complicated, I would choose the King Solomon method. It can be effective at revealing truths if the judge is GOD's servant. About the judgment of King Solomon, it could be another good method but what if both parents will act as the same? Title: Re: Whom do you call the Mother of this Child? Post by: ethereumhunter on February 25, 2021, 03:50:28 AM I wouldn't want to completely trust/depend on DNA testing... that's why I included other methods for knowing who the real parents are. I have seen couple of articles about the flaws of DNA testing... not sure yet how true they are. So, we have to be sure it's very reliable by maybe comparing it with other fairly reliable methods. If things get complicated, I would choose the King Solomon method. It can be effective at revealing truths if the judge is GOD's servant. I am trying to do a quick search about that, but many articles mention DNA testing for the child and the parents (both women who admit they are the birth parents). DNA tests use blood, hair, and other things. By the way, I found an interesting article for me, but I do not know if that will useful for me. Check this out: https://www.familysearch.org/blog/en/how-to-find-birth-parents-through-dna/ https://www.ancestry.com/dna/en/legal/international/faq#:~:text=AncestryDNA%C2%AE%2C%20part%20of%20the,you%20discover%20your%20family%20history. Title: Re: Whom do you call the Mother of this Child? Post by: bitterguy28 on February 25, 2021, 06:18:20 AM I remember reading a faboul I read about almost the same situation and how the King handles to resolve the case. The King offers to Cut the Child so the 2 claimants ( Mother and the thief) will have equal share of the child . But the real mother refuses and tell the king that She will give up the claim and will let the thief own the Child and so the king finds who the real mother is, because the real mother won't let Her child be hurt. Interesting. The bolded part actually helps solve part of the problem I'm trying to solve with my post. *The real mother gaveup power for the sake of a nation*. I believe she will get the child back. Title: Re: Whom do you call the Mother of this Child? Post by: franky1 on February 25, 2021, 06:36:17 AM its not a case of 'fight' or 'good wins over evil' its simply DNA proof. end of debate
Title: Re: Whom do you call the Mother of this Child? Post by: Ucy on February 25, 2021, 09:56:37 AM I wouldn't want to completely trust/depend on DNA testing... that's why I included other methods for knowing who the real parents are. I have seen couple of articles about the flaws of DNA testing... not sure yet how true they are. Is that is so? there are scientific proof and basis that results would be good. It will go through the laboratory and the proper test that shall be conducted will make sure the relation of the child and the parent.So, we have to be sure it's very reliable by maybe comparing it with other fairly reliable methods. If things get complicated, I would choose the King Solomon method. It can be effective at revealing truths if the judge is GOD's servant. About the judgment of King Solomon, it could be another good method but what if both parents will act as the same? You mean like the thief faking her emotion and pretending to want the child to be saved? Assuming that's is what you mean, I will likely get them both to make great sacrifices for the child... probably by keeping the child safely in the middle of lion's den and tell them that whoever reaches the child first owns him/her. I will observe how they try to solve the problem to get to the child. Or will simply continue to interview them and do certain things to know the truth and how much they care about the child. By the way, it's GOD that will direct me on what to do and how to do it right. I wouldn't trust my methods and judgments without HIM guiding me. |