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The creation of the European super cup has indeed created  a division amount the football communities and different leagues as some of the bigger European clubs are set to boycott the existing Local league, Champions league and Europa league to form a more super strong league among themselves. In the other hands clubs from Germany and France has turned down the proposal, there are 15 slots in total whereby 12 space has been filled so far.

The UEFA are totally against it and from his words as I quote;

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I absolutely cannot imagine UEFA putting up with that. This would make competitions like the Euro League and the Champions League obsolete in one fell swoop.
I also find the composition of the Super League very "interesting", e.g. with Bayern and Paris SG 2 absolute top clubs in Europe are missing, instead teams would play here that would not even have realistic chances of winning a title in their national leagues - let alone in a Euro or Champions League.

In my opinion, the project is doomed to failure and will certainly not take place.

I assumed that the main motive for founding a league like this was just money, and I don't think that's far from the truth from what I've read on various portals that analyze what this league could bring to clubs in terms of profit. Of course UEFA rebelled against that because it is a direct blow to the Champions League which of course they control and then share the profits between themselves and the clubs.


This is a classic rebellion of clubs against UEFA because they think they are not getting enough money, but I do not believe that this league will be able to start just like that, especially because for now German and French clubs refuse to participate.

players will not leave their clubs [to not be part of the ESL] cos they're under contract, and if even if they were able to leave, they wouldn't go to the clubs not participating in this Super League cos those tier 2 clubs don't have the money to pay super stars wages unlike the 12 founding members of the ESL, plus it's very unlikely that the super stars would want to take a paycut just to play in Sevilla or West Ham or Sassuolo in order to play in their national teams.

The ESL has the upper hand in all of this, UEFA and FIFA know it, so now these two org are trying to pressure the players but it's unlikely they'd do anything cos they want to keep food on the table by making 8 figues every year

all in all, this is a dick measuring contest between power-hungry greedy organizations (uefa and fifa) and power-hungry greedy club owners (Madrid, ManU, Juve, etc)...kind of a shitty situation but we'll see how it plays out

The competition would be a total shit without the European big guns just imagine the champions league with the likes of Burnley, Westham, Wolves and Everton from the premier league and the likes of Gatefe, Elber, Lavente coming from the Laliga to compete. The Tv right and the value would be gone.

I think the project is just a wake up call for the UEFA to do more in terms of finance, because the money involved in the UEFA competition is very poor compared to that of the proposed super league.

UEFA, FIFA and other other FA's should realise the situation is tougher now,  the next step is to talk to the rebellious European Leagues advocates, I don’t think threats are not a civilised way of resolving issues. The European League formation has been on the cards for some time but the same organisations issuing threats now have always been dismissive of the idea and never bothered to listen to the other party. Why resort to banning players instead of banning the formation of this league, maybe there's no legal ground to stop its formation and operations? If it is the case then veiled threats and bans are too little too late!

??? I don't understand why you've opened this thread if you really think this so-called "project" will never take place? It sounds a little bit ridiculous. Personally I don't think it's just blackmail from big clubs to put pressure on UEFA, I think they really want to put on feet this new organization and I don't think FIFA or UEFA have the right to prohibit players from participating to their national selection, courts would surely reverse those kind of bans.

here is a very nice overview of the clubs with their squad value that participate in the super league...
3 places are still free - should probably be given to german clubs, which then refused it...

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EzU342XVoAItPMC?format=jpg&name=900x900

It might be early but let me say that I have a feeling for years now that something like this will happen but I never wanted to split away from UEFA but in the same I love to have a championship with all this giants playing every weekend. As a fan of football, I hope both UEFA and ESL will find a way to keep the players away so they won't be affected if they want to play in World Cup or similar international cups.

this super league is almost like all the scam sites on telegram and pancakeswap !!!! just to generate money. the clubs just want to earn more money.
i think it's good that some very good teams from europe boycott this super league. it's just too much football.
and then the champions league is to be extended from 32 to 36 teams.
then the teams will have less and less time and the players will hardly have time to regenerate.
i'm really curious to see how it all develops in the next few weeks and months.

The super league is not a scam lol; and it should not be compared to one. The reality meanwhile is that the super league is a greedy motive intended to fund only the pockets of the big teams selfishly; UEFA are also looking after only their pockets, which makes it very difficult for fans, supporters and the small teams. What do you think will happen ? will the clubside succumb authority to UEFA or have their way ?

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The European Super League has been inaugurated. 12 teams have agreed, according to the Daily Mail Bayern Munchen and Porto will soon join the European Super League, it is hoped there will be 1 more team to participate before the first season starts, Florentino Perez will be President (LSE) with his deputy Joel Glazer from the Manchester United side.

With this inauguration, clubs participating in the European Super League face the threat of being expelled from competitions under UEFA, because this competition did not have the blessing of FIFA. UEFA confirmed that it will exclude teams participating in the European Super League and they are also prohibited from playing in UCL/UEL.
This statement is very beneficial for PSG, because Paris Saint-Germain will be crowned Champions of the Champions League this season for not participating in the European Super League participation, Teams that are still in the Champions League this season apart from Paris Saint-Germain will be automatically excluded from the Champions League.

FIFA also said that it would prohibit players from competing for the national team in the World Cup or other tournaments (under FIFA).  UEFA will also demand the participating teams around 50-60 billion Euros.

LOL you shouldn't dream too much like that, the kick off of the European Super League won't happen in the coming weeks and teams still belonging to the UEFA Champions League won't participate to it before the end of the tournament. They're not crazy, they won't take the risk to be banned from the final of the Champions League or the Europa League just for one or two starting matchdays in this totally new competition.

Of course it is not a scam but it is blatant money grab to make rich even richer. Football should be played because of the supporters and situations like this one perfectly show it is only about the money. Really curios to see how it will all pan out.

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By the way, we now have 6 new topics talking about ESL. Good job on checking the forum a bit before opening them  ;D  Don't know which one was first, I posted in this one since it looked slightly better then most. Now we need one mod to come here and join them all together.

I still hope that SuperLeague won't turn into reality. I'm disapoointed that my club Barcelona is part of it. "More than a club" they say, but they don't give a f*ck about supporters opinion, everything is just about money. This is why I don't like modern football.
I'm a bit suprised that PSG will not join this league. But I really appreciate their, Bayern and Borussia position.

BTW, what are your thoughts about UEFA reaction and new Champions league format? For me it looks strange and I doubt it will stop teams from joining SuperLeague. And it will go ahead just in 2024, while SuperLeagueis supposed to begin this year.
I noticed it too, gambling board look messy now. It would be nice if we discuss it in single topic.

So, there are missing three teams. I would guess that these teams are Bayern Munich, Borussia Dormund and Paris St. Germain. That makes sense, because teams from two big countries missing from the Super League so far are Germany and France. In the medium term, it will be expanded to 18 or 20 teams anyway.

I think I read somewhere that Dortmund and PSG already turned them down and that Bayern is expected to do the same. Could be that they are doing that because of the supporters and their respective leagues or maybe they have their own reasons. We are living in exiting times for sure.

From now on I will be supporting Bayern Munich!
Germany’s rules on fan ownership, known as 50%+1 for the voting stake which members must have, pose a problem for the Super League.
German fans could in theory block their clubs from being involved. Bayern was due to have its annual general meeting last week but it was postponed to the end of the year because of the coronavirus pandemic. Bayern members have a 75% stake in the company which runs the team. The rest is held by sponsors.
https://www.si.com/soccer/2021/04/19/european-super-league-psg-bayern-munich-borussia-dortmund

yeah, i wonder why they need more money rn, oh i know, terrible management for years and this: https://as.com/futbol/2021/01/30/primera/1612047093_780978.html

Nasser Al-Khelaifi, Qatar, FIFA and the World Cup 2022...ring any bells?
Bayern prolly knew the repercussion behind it and decided to stay put until everything gets sorted out, no way they'll miss out on the money behind a Super League, everything's about money when these big clubs are involved and Bayern will join if everyone reaches an agreement. Dortmund, no idea why they declined, maybe they know they won't stand a chance in a super league? lol

I hope this is the beginning of the end for vile organizations like FIFA and UEFA. Big football is a business and businessmen themselves should be engaged in it and not goats officials who are mired in corruption and, in fact, manage other people's money. I hope events will develop according to a tough scenario and clubs from the Super League will be banned everywhere (like the players) and they will leave FIFA and UEFA forever and thus we will get an independent normal organization. I believe that the future belongs to the Super League.

I'm not against the project I'm not just comfortable the way the matter is being handled, the proposal is a good one but it came at the wrong time, why not wait till after the current campaign, now Chelsea, Rel Madrid, Man City, Manutd and Arsenal are set to get kickout of the the current UEFA competition.

Bayern Munich also turned down the offer, they love being on the farm land.

The Super League idea sounds pretty straightforward on paper. My major concern is if it would be able to live up to the promises. While I'm not too biggy on the Super League, I'm particularly glad that the reign and era of FIFA and UEFA is coming to an end.  That's why they've been fighting very hard to put an end to the Super League before it even gets a chance to debut.
German fans would eventually gets on the bandwagon when they see that the Super league project is yet to stay and that it would be the biggest competition we've seen yet.

Fans arent happy about this so i think this wont work
Americans trying to do what they done to their sports. This wont work

Its more like destroying the whole ecosystem. The current league system ensure that small teams will be getting some good amounts everytime they play against those big names which then help those small teams to build up their teams however the Super League is taking away all those big names thus destroying all those small teams as well

In the long run, its kinda like turning football into some sort of entertainment instead of sport


Its to show FIFA that they are dead serious about this. Its kinda like telling FIFA that they got nothing to lose even if they all decided to go with the ESL

This impossible the UEFA cannot decide the fate of the players in the worldcup that's the work of FIFA and UEFA shouldn't cross the line in an attempt to put fear in the mind of the players, UEFA can only stop players from her continent from playing in the Euros and not the other way round.

How can they stop Messi from participating in the worldcup? Adidas is the biggest sponsor of the FIFA Worldcup while Messi is the biggest Adidas ambassador.

No Messi No Sponsor.

Another puritan view! ESL is just a repackaged and re-branded version of European club football games. The concept is very similar to what has been done in cricket as T20 or the famous IPL game. Now the time has come to football to make it more exciting.

Due to the covid situation, the stadium games are in the brink of collapse. The incomes from various endorsements are drying out. So the ESL is simply a survival strategy where people will be more interested and the money will start rolling. Be adaptable to changes brother!

Interview with the ESL chairman Florentino Perez he talked about some major challenges, the goal, the reason behind the establishment of the league, he also talked about how they plan Football through ESL.

Perez on why the league was implemented
Skysports.com (https://skysports.com/amp/football/news/11095/12280860/florentino-perez-real-madrid-president-insists-european-super-league-will-save-football-at-this-critical-moment)

Perez makes nonsense claims. How can he say young people are no longer interested in football when you can see the stands full of plastic fans for City? They made football attractive. Kids every day still play football and have their favorite jerseys on,,, world cup is still the most watched sporting event in the world.

Has he lost his bonkers?

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As said Jesper Moller who is a member of the UEFA Executive Committee. UEFA will take strict sanctions for every club that follows the European Super League, and they will be banned from playing in all UEFA competitions.
The same sanctions also apply in the Europa League, MU and Arsenal are Super League club that still play in the Europa League.

U think he was talking about the UEFA Champions League and he may be right, from the past two years the level of corruption has crippled the league, from the officiating down to the finances, participating clubs are being robbed, given a little amount while UEFA keep the big sum in their purse, the passion for the game was certainly fading.

it would be simply unbelievable to see this happening, and on the other hand, it is the only chance for PSG to take the title :)
nevertheless, UEFA making this step will make football destined to basketball situation few years ago, with two FIBA Superleague and Euroleague, where it is clear who will win

there is no way for fans to merit UEFA competition more than European Super league, no matter how it is called, it is a matter of football quality

This doesn't make sense. Crowning PSG without playing a single game of the finals? Then when PSG switch stance and join that ESL, they will strip that title from them?
I believe the ESL should take place between first 4 teams in CL + EL after few modifications of those 2 leagues.

This is outside Stanford bridge where a protest is taking place before the game against Brighton tonight, the fans are calling on the club to do the rightful thing, the fans are totally against their team being part of the founding clubs of the European super league and they are asking the club to reconsider their decision of boycotting the league and champions league to play in the European super league. If Chelsea doesn't back down till Friday they will be disqualified from the champions league according to the UEFA chairman.
https://i.ibb.co/QvwxwjP/20210420-163455.jpg

This is getting more serious than expected.

well then i am curious what will come out of this round of discussions... ::)

https://twitter.com/TMuk_news/status/1384502752802377731 (https://twitter.com/TMuk_news/status/1384502752802377731)

The announcement of this new league obviously garnered a lot of negative reactions from fans and other leagues alike. I can't blame those teams who immediately signed up for this super league. Lots and lots of complaints about corruption and poor management have been arising from both FIFA and UEFA for years, and teams just want to get that new breath of fresh air and be motivated to play the game they love and make money from. I'm not much of a football fan but if the new league gives something to the fans and to the teams that weren't addressed by FIFA and UEFA for the last decade, then all's well that ends well.

Depends... From "strike" to bigger bank accounts... I mean this is a war and IMHO it's too early to conclude what can happen. The sure thing is that the only ones that are in favor are the 12 club owners, not the teams as a whole.

As Florentino Perez said during an interview with El Chiringuito, "We have reached the conclusion that with the European Super League we can alleviate the club's losses." The European Super League will help the club recover financially in the midst of the pandemic. When the club has no income other than television broadcasting rights, Hopefully the European Super League can be the right medium to increase club income. Big team matches will be even more exciting allowing audiences around the world to watch the big clubs compete.

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If FIFA completely bans 12 team from joining the European Super League then the UCL competition will die. And PSG will be the next king of UCL.
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Image is illustration only.

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Yeah, it doesn't make sense, but if we look at FIFA's firm stance on the team that joins ESL PSG will get the UCL title automatically without having to continue the competition.

The possibility that FIFA will strip the UCL title from the hands of PSG, like FIFA pulled the Scudetto from Juventus when they got caught in a score-fixing case a few years ago.

This tournament must NOT happen or probobly the end for football itself. Kids always wish of winning the champions league and world cup and those greedy people are gone a take it away from them. Just greedy

Totally. I was shocked to see my club Arsenal being one of sthe founding clubs. I am really switching my club to some other maybe Leeds if I see them playing in ESL. I am kinda sure that players from these teams will also strongly oppose the idea of their club participation in this but right now nothing is clear.

I can only say one thing: If they do this , they can earn money as much as they want but they won't earn fans support or respect ever.

I’m also a Gunner, but mate this clubs involvement is beyond just the players or fans. The club owners are roundly business minded men, all they care about is MONEY and MONEY. I think UEFA should negotiate with the founders of this ESL and propose a shift in earnings and to avoid the destruction of more than a century of tradition and bring our beloved game into disrepute.

I think that they earn enough money as it is, so it's should decide not money. So far, the idea seems doomed to fail. I am an adherent of old traditions and personally to me, this idea does not like.

The European Super League is only the idea of ​​a few obsessed people to increase their fortunes, Just look at how FIFA rejects the presence of LSE and some football legends do not support it. The presence of LSE created a new conflict in the world of football, and the impact is those players who compete in LSE cannot strengthen their country in the world cup.

Skysport news just confirmed that Chelsea Football Club are preparing legal documents to withdraw from the European Super League (ESL); while it is also reported that Manchester City will also follow ensuit and withdraw; with great joy; i think the European Super League (ESL) has been suspended and banned and would not hold. Woodward has also reportedly resigned at his post for Manchester United; good victory for football and Manchester united fan.

Sources:

https://twitter.com/talkSPORT/status/1384580215016460288
https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/56823501

I'm not familiar with cricket, so I can't talk about it. But concept of ESL is good for 15 founding clubs only - they think about themselves only. While for remaining European football it means collapse.
Also, does it makes sense when clubs can play in ESL no matter of their results in national league? What's point of EPL when Arsenal who only 9th still can play in ESL.
Managers of these clubs like Pep, Klopp, players are also against this league.

I'm not sure what are you talking about. UEFA share huge money with clubs and these money is getting bigger each year.
UEFA isn't perfect, but Perez and co isn't sacred cow too.

There is some difference. Euroleague alreadywas main basketball league in Europe, while FIBA tried to attract clubs to their new league by blackmailing them, threatening to ban clubs from national leagues and players from national teams.

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After such huge negative reaction, it's good to see that few clubs may change their mind.
I think most already saw Perez interview, where IMO he said lot of bulshit. Changing game length from 45 to 30 minutes sounds bad for me. Wouldn't be surprised if they would add commercial breaks during the game for TV.
What's next, remove offsides?

The super league looks like a joke if indeed the players won't be able to participate in national leagues, FIFA organised matches and national teams.
The automatic qualification of the foundation teams every season is another wrong measurement for the super league.It will limit the quality of rivalries among teams in national leagues. However, I am sure this will be sorted out by FIFA soon

Strange things happening in the world of football:

-Jose sacked over ESL

-Chelsea fans protesting

-Barcelona rumored to have pulled out

-Ed Woodward has stepped down as executive vice chairman of Manchester United


Liverpool fans showing displeasure in the proposed European Super League ( ESL)
https://talkimg.com/images/2023/11/15/FSZGC.png

Manchester City official withdraw from the European super league following the earlier protest in London by Chelsea fans and other football lovers demanding their club to have some dignity and let go of greed. Chelsea are also considering dumping the ESL in the next few hours. Manutd, Arsenal and Liverpool might also take the bold step.


 Source (https://twitter.com/FabrizioRomano/status/1384604125938192392?s=19)

Domino pieces are falling one by one? I think it is healthier to see a reasonable ESL with another format better and more equitable than this imo. Wonder know how Perez is feeling right now ::)

Manchester United is also part of this fiasco and Im not happy with it as well but not to the point that I would find another club to support. I will still watch them if they play in ESL though but Im totally not happy with this


Yeah but there is nothing that these players can do. They are bound with their their contract and will need to play for the club if needed to, otherwise they will be sacrificing their career by sitting in the bench


Probably but the ESL will be securing atleast $4.2 Billion from JP Morgan in case if it runs. The winner of the ESL will receive 400 millions euros and thats alot more compared with what Champions League offered.

The idea of the super league is nothing short of money from the way I see it. We already have a lot of competitions in the leagues both local and international as we see it now, its not like in most leagues, some teams a particular team are expressing continual dominance as we see it in the Bundesliga. That isn't the case in most especially, the EPL, in the Italian Serie A we can see Inter Milan to have come up and top the league, in Laliga we have Atletico Madrid and it keeps going on and on.

So, the idea of a super league is unwarranted as its only going to be about the funds for the league organisers and the clubs.

Just imagine, if they earn such a big money from ESL how much they can pay for players? And how much it will cost players like Haaland, Sancho or any other high-class player from teams out of the ESL?
and now it is so when Manchester United/City or Real, or Barcelona was interested in any player, then is the price going up to x2 because they have money to pay valuable players. In the end, all of their money will lend up to small clubs. we all know that big clubs don’t have time to develop young players.
then we will probably have more players like Bale, who's seated on the bench and get a high salary for nothing.

Something good do not come easily, this is another experimental gone wrong he had a great ideal but the timing was so wrong, why not wait till end of the season knowing fully well that most of the founding clubs are still in the champions league. He did himself proud nothing to be ashamed of.

The major aim of the ESL was to assist clubs in financial meltdown.

IT is over, its fun to see while 2 days ago was a yes and now they are all leaving.

All Premier league clubs followed the likes of Man City and they officially withdraw from the Super League .
we are apparently facing two roads .
the first is the withdrawal of all clubs in the event there is a new negotiation channel with the European Union .
the second is the withdrawal of everyone except Real and Juve, and consequently great penalties and great indignation from everyone
The hours until the morning will be critical.
I think the UEFA offered something to the clubs in the Premier League so they withdraw from this when you look at a Arsenal or Spurs they don't have a lot to lose if they continued and maybe negotiated bit more.

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Telegraph Sport reports "Now Florentino Perez is in big trouble. If ESL fails to play, then Real Madrid can not be able to compete in Europe as long Florentino Perez as President of Real Madrid". If Real Madrid still wants to play in European competition, Florentino Perez had to resign from his post as President of Real Madrid.
As reported (Independent) Florentino Perez will soon resign from his position as president of Real Madrid. Because he is under a lot of pressure because of such a big ambition.

I don't know why so many people are against this idea of the European Super League ( ESL). The best teams need to play against each other. I don't understand what Manchester United gains by playing against a team like Sheffield United, or Real Madrid gains by playing against Huesca. What is the point in these lop-sided matches? And that is why they came up with the ESL, which seems to be a good idea and a treat for the football fans. The opposition to this is emotionally driven and unjustified.

The penalty is much they never expected it to be this complicated, UEFA gave them till Friday to back down or risk being kicked out of the completion for life and also players in the ESL can't participate in the Euros or Worldcup either, now you can see why the IT needed to end.

This is the reason we have the UEFA Champions league where the bigger teams play each other around the world. What else do you want? A football played for 60mins?

Because every team can win. Even if you have a small chance your team can have a perfect team and beat the favourite. What are the Top clubs losing by playing against weaker teams? The fans definitely want to see it. I am so glad that there are so many fans protesting against their clubs. Stop this league directly at the beginning is the best way to get rid of it. I hope all teams are going to withdraw.

I think it is pretty much dead at this point. Premier league is the wealthiest league in Europe and as I see most of English football fans don't want their teams to be part of such league. So even if they ask other rather smaller English teams, those will also reject.I don't exactly why people dislike matches between poor and rich teams. These teams can lose point to those who are weaker, all the time. That's what we like about football, we like to watch it for story.

I also believed this European super league would be far more corrupted than UEFA.

European Super League Is Officially Suspended

All the six (6) English clubs have left the proposed European Super League just few hours after the protest in London and the all English club captain emergency meeting organised by Liverpool skipper Henderson yesterday to save football from been ruined. The ESL is on hold for now till further notice.

I think club have be brave how to fight with UEFA and FIFA in corruption, they take much money from sponsor, television and club get little payment from them. I think is very crazy during many club get financial crisis right now UEFA and FIFA never help them, just take care with their commission and never been transparent with how much money getting with champion league, EUFA Europe League but just giving little reward for participants.

I am glad that the big 6 have pulled out from their participation in ESL. Fans are happy and so are the other football orgs. Still they are losing some sponsors. Liverpool yesterday lost one sponsor due to this action and I am sure other clubs must have lost some sponsors as well.

The whole football world should sit down and start negotiating a new deal don't you think? UEFA and FIFA made their own mistakes and should stop treating the football circus like a cow that gives unlimited milk.
If there's one good thing that can sprout from this big drama is a total renovation of the business agreement behind the scenes.
Small clubs need their stake in the game too.

This whole debacle reflects very badly on those clubs that wanted to join. It reveals once again the huge gulf between the profit-seeking owners and the sports-loving everyday fans. Each of the English clubs has issued a humiliating apology. Hopefully lessons can be learned from this, and the structure of the game will improve as we move forward.

While the European Super League is on suspension the other teams from the premier league want to see the rebel six punished for failing to follow the PL playbook, which is fair game!

BTW a lot of damage has been done all in a space of one week ,its only fair to punish them were it hurts( their bank accounts) via fines.

Football fans are going to regret about this in the future. If the ESL was allowed to operate, then it had the potential to grow as the largest sports league in the world, in terms of viewership and money. A lot many of those who opposed the ESL are purely emotionally driven and they don't want to think about the merits from such a championship. The UEFA Champions League has failed on multiple fronts and ESL would have emerged as a better alternative. Anyway, now we are back to ground zero.

Now, after all this heat around the ESL is kinda over , I want to say that the tournament itself was a good idea because let me tell you in 10 years from now , I would prefer to have multi-european championship with multiple teams from Europe fight over the title so this is why Super League was just the beginning. Imagine if we had Super League 2 and 3 with all this Europe clubs joining in creating a multi national championship...it would have been amazing but then money speaks and everything is over.

Both of them had a place in football zone.

To be honest i am a little bit disappointed that those clubs have backed down so quickly because i would have like to see how the UEFA would have reacted if the super league would have become more and more a reality with more clubs signing the agreements and so on. All the talking about "the fans won" is also crap because the fans are probably the last thing that the UEFA (and also the FIFA of course) think about. All they want is more money and therefore they are making the competitions bigger with more participating clubs which means more games, which means more TV time which means more money.

Not a bad idea but have you consider the fans? Do you know how impossible it would be without the fans? Travelling to different countries every weekend will definitely reduce the number of fans because not everyone can afford ticket to different countries every weekend.

After the withdrawal of the 6 premiere league clubs the UEFA made a compromise for them and the other founding members of the ESL as of the beginning in 2024, two seats will be awarded to clubs with the idea of the Super League and that were unable to qualify for the Champions League through their domestic leagues, for example, if a team such as West Ham ranked fifth in the English Premier League, Arsenal ended up In sixth place, West Ham will qualify for the European League and Arsenal will qualify for the Champions League with the new Invitation system.

Football is for poor people they said.
Football is for fans they said.

https://i.imgur.com/ScmZGZ8.png

Source: https://twitter.com/CalcioFinanza/status/1384892541435318272

He just increased his salary.

According to the news 9 out of the 12 teams (https://edition.cnn.com/2021/04/21/football/what-next-for-european-super-league-english-team-out-spt-intl/index.html) who joined the ESL have withdrawn from the league leaving only Barcelona, Juventus, and Real Madrid still part of the team. I'm guessing that they realized with all the negative press they are getting as well as their own fans being angry about it they won't be gaining any kind of revenue if nobody will be watching and supporting their games. Since from the start they have a lose-lose situation here without any kind of notice and a totally opposite direction from the football we love this is something that these clubs can't be handling.

Without the support of German and French top teams, this version of ESL wouldn't stay for a long time as predicted by some people before. I still think that ESL should take place but not like the way those teams would to implement... It has to be more equitable and every team has the right to collect more money. My 2 cents in this topic.

It's not only the absence of major clubs from these two countries. FIFA and UEFA can never approve something without their wishes and for this matter, I agree with them.
ESL is a VIP club, football is not. It was well known that those owners wanted more money from the time that they get involved and bought their "teams" and they never gave a rat's ass for the game (or any game).

Like i said this tournament cannot be played and wont be played. Now waiting for this 3 clubs to withdraw from the tournament and do delete this nonsense of a league. But now Uefa will ruin it as well probobly with the presure going up

That was really fast. I don't even want to know how long these 12 clubs negotiated in the background, how much money was spent on it. I mean, quite a few lawyers have certainly spent months to define the statutes, the legal framework, etc. and the whole idea is buried within not even a week? What a bust!

In the the aftermath of the suspension of ESL and Andrea Agnelli
Nasser Al-Khelaifi have been officially appointed as president of the European Clubs Association (ECA) after the resignation of Agnelli two days ago .
Paris-Saint-Germain has become one of the top of the continent and Al-Khelaifi's position on the Super League made him one of the best candidates for this position .
The important thing now is to calm things down between clubs and the European Union and open a new page with a lot of The debate that leads to the development of club revenues and the increase of Champions League fans.

Even though i want the SUPER LEAGUE to be a success  for some reasons, however the negative effects cannot be over look. The proposal would have been better if the money involved is not that huge. And thanks to the SUPER LEAGUE ideal UEFA is able to change champions League from group stage to a real league now.

Is step 3 and 4 speculation or real? I doubt those teams with crappy financial situation will let Perez grab that money and go away with it! No way! I didn't pay attention to this, is there a link somewhere to an article talking about this?

It's just a speculation.  Of course others can be watching while a team is making the most benefit of the league after losing a lot.  We should just be thankful the SUPER LEAGUE couldn't become a reality.   

https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/56830308

According to news, Milan, Inter and Atletico Madrid have joined the English clubs which have withdrawn from the ESL too. And Agnelli says that this project can't go on like this and he is very right about it of course. There are only 3 clubs left in the tournament and it will be revoked probably.

Let's be honest, these "premier league" teams are all salivating over the potential that if these six clubs are somehow dropped, punished, given points penalty, anything that would hurt them basically, there is a chance the other 14 teams would be higher up and that is what they are looking for.

They do not care if they go join a super league or not, it is not their business, it doesn't bother them and in fact it helps them by making the fatigue of this six clubs to be horrible so that other 14 would have a better chance in the premier league. But if you drop them to championship, or give them -30 penalty, or basically anything to hurt, that would help them even more. That is why they are pushing forward with something, otherwise they just did something and suspended just 24 hours later, it was like a joke, a bluff, nothing came out of it anyway.

Actually, there were funds involved in the agreement to join as a founding club and they choose to walk away that's a breach of contract and those funds can not be refunded so it only means one thing. Perez takes all with his ESL dream. ;D

Aside from all those money collected by him, he made another bold move which is to show FIFA that when all those clubs join in together they could have done a serious impact. Imagine if alot more clubs actually join in and the fans agree with this idea, this would leave FIFA into nothing


You seriously dont have any clue about what you are talking about. Where do you think all those money for the EPL came from? Its from the sponsor and the broadcasting right. If all those big 6 actually leave EPL, do you think the number of sponsors would remain the same? Also when small teams like Sheffield play against Manchester City, they will receive a decent sum of money which would help them rebuild the whole team

Its not about trying to win the EPL for all those small teams but rather its about getting those cash to build the team before they can really take on the EPL

Well, the reality is that the ESL is not totally a bad idea; capitalist are usually only after money and that is what has happened; UEFA only stopped ESL because they were carried along while the process were done. European Super League (ESL) will be back in the near future, but it will be under the umbrella of UEFA who would draw out a plan to make it very competitive and rewarding.

if the Juventus chairman Mr Andrea Agnelli said the European Super League wasnt going to happen that means Juventus is out too meaning Barca and Real Madrid are all what are left...lets call this El clasico Super league :P !!

You have to give these guys some credit, they really tried because looking at those debt numbers you really have to go out of your way to find the means to pay back.

numbers not verified by the way

Nearly all of the founder clubs have left the ESL till now. But I believe this was a signal for a probable big change in the future. Maybe it hasn't happened yet but it will I think.

The European Super League have ended without beginning after all club participants resign and only Real Madrid and Barcelona left, I think many club afraid with announcement banned by UEFA and FIFA but they not understand how financial most guarantee with The European Super League. But this now ended with Real Madrid and Barcelona left right now.

Rome was not built in a day, Michael faraday did not invent electricity in a day, Satoshi did not invent Bitcoin in a day, everything with good intentions takes time to implement, the ESL was a wake-up call to FIFA and UEFA that yes both organisations are replaceable if they are not doing their job properly. Perez is a legend

Will those clubs get sanctions from such bodies as UEFA and FIFA?  

I also like the idea of ESL to break the monopolistic ways of UEFA and FIFA if not for the sanctions against players involved being banned  playing in world cup in their countries and leagues  my take is that if their is no clashes of fixtures  between ESL with other matches then there is no reason to ban it,  ESL matches are scheduled to be played in midweek clubs involved are seeking more ways to generate funds in the midst of consequences of the impact  of Covid-19.

I got my post on another topic about ESL on the gambling board then that topic going moved to off topic (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5331502.0). Yeah, They know (moderator either) this game wouldn't happen in the future, no one talk about gambling/games/football on the ESL, this just about a greedy person who wants to more eat sponsor of money.  ;D

I just read that florentino perez said that the plans for an european super league are not dead, they are just at stand-by for now. So he has not given up on that subject yet even though at the moment it seems like his dreams will never become a reality. Like i said before i would welcome some competition for the UEFA, so they have to be more transparent and must stop to behave like they are the kings of football and can do whatever they want.

Poor thread created by a newbie is not qualified to be in the gambling section and besides we cannot have more than one ESL thread in one section. Ighehh is a reputable forum user and this thread is just okay.

Perez told FIFA he want to create his World cup  ;D

Perez followed up and he really needs better PR advisors. Their Sunday announcement was ill advised. And now his response post abortive first attempt equally ineffective, if not harmful to his cause.

At the same time he does bring up fair points. Young people are watching less football, or rather, no longer watching clubs they were brought up in.

But he is wrong to think ESL will fix that. It was to some extent the era of galacticos that moulded youth to only want to see superstars on superstages. You help build the monster, now help heal it, not just feed it.

There are no plans by UEFA to change the Champions League that way that you have a "real league". UEFA just plans to increase the teams attend in the competition, but then it will be more like a European League instead of a Champions League if you let attend two or third class teams just to make more money. So, the new CL is not better than the Super League.

I received the news of the creation of ESL with misfiling; I think there are more politics in the European league than the ordinary fan may understand the club’s owner wants more money 💵 and the fans more fun I just hope FIFA will take a good stance on this power play.

I did not go into the details of the political feuds between the leaders of the Super League and FIFA/UEFA but .. but sport is just a political instrument. If you do not neglect the repeated tolerant statements of the presidents of international associations Gianni Infantino and Alexander Cheferin, then even an idiot can understand that this smells like double standards.

The co-founders of the Super League, by and large, do not care about the importance of this tournament, this is just a new opportunity for them to earn money, and given who is the main sponsor of this event, this is not surprising. But the leaders of FIFA and UEFA also made a mistake ... I understand that they do not want to give away some of the tasty pie, but the disqualification of teams looks like a change of democracy by anarchy.

At least someone who likes the Super League here  :) The problem behind it is that they want to make a lot of money with it, while on the other side don't have any competition. Both Real Madrid and Barcelona are the two big teams who promoted the ESL a lot and surprisingly both of these football clubs have a huge debt. Creating a new league with new TV rights to being sold to Sky or some other network they would make a lot of money. I am pretty sure that the games would never be shown on ordinary satellite TV. Gladly the Fans were able to stop it.

lol. That would be a nice achievement of his very successful career :P
Maybe one day we will see a world cup with Real Madrid and other big teams playing super international mixed league with big teams playing along with national teams ::)

Sooner or later, the Super League will be created. Top clubs produce top content and they have to manage money. At the moment, only officials are in charge of the money - this is an absurd situation and I hope that she will be buried as soon as possible. And by the way, I don't understand those who want to watch a lot of dull matches with outsiders instead of interesting matches between great clubs.

Exactly for the people who think it is over, you are a fool.
This is only the start of the war, The Superleague was an old Idea from Berlusconi in 1988.

Just for your information teams are still in the SL, till they will go to JP and sign and pay the exit clause they are still in.

Told you, it is not over yet.

Good reading  ;D

Boris Johnson met with Manchester United chief Ed Woodward in Downing Street days before European Super League launch

Source: https://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/ed-woodward-boris-johnson-manchester-united-b1836076.html


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Source: https://twitter.com/Independent/status/1385322955681542157

I agree with you. Eventually, we will see this tournament happening. I also don't understand how people are content with watching big clubs playing against very small teams in many matches. I think we need a tournament that will consist only the biggest clubs. I would definitely enjoy watching it.

I wouldn't be surprised to see something like that, there are now some political trauma going on within the board of directors and in the football games as a whole. Europa super league will be accepted to go with because on a serious note, it gonna bring interesting and fantastical football experience to fans. But don't know if this will be approved and implemented.

Perez said no team can leave totally that they had a binding agreement with the 11 clubs involved and they never invited the German clubs though they expected them to come around, the proposed ESL was to start in August 2021. The 6 EPL clubs left to save themselves in this season UEFA and to avoid EPL point deduction. They will come around.

A Champions league without Real Madrid and Barcelona is not champions league. ;D

Even if it happens most of the players or team presidents were not happy with this format so don't expect to see any good football here.I hope I am wrong but this will end up being even more boring than the Nations League is.

This is weird, surrender before the fight begins, it sounds incredible, what the European Super League created for?
If it is just a joke, but April 1st is long gone.

Defaulters to Pay €300m Fine
No!! The project is still on, the 12 clubs involved signed a binding contract which means if you must withdraw you will have to pay €300m as a fine. They will have to come up with another strategy that will suit the fans and the players involved, with the new UEFA rules of single table without group stage might contribute to the birth of ESL because the players are not comfortable with it.

Yeah I asked about this previously and saw it in the news. Such huge fine won't be easy to pay by teams that are already flooded by debts.. They will have to find a way to get throw this fine. Pausing or delaying it?

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National League is the worst thing done to soccer so far >:(

I heard that all the Chairmen from each of the clubs that took part in this thing most have seen as coup against each of their leagues, have been told to step down.
And for the shameful six as most have labelled them as fro the EPL who took part in this super league, have been told by the owners to step down.

A fine of 300 million, seriously? I don’t think these numbers are true.I don’t think these numbers are true.

Real Madrid's capitalization is a little more than $ 4 billion, and given the debts, I am absolutely sure that their legal staff would not, under any circumstances, sign a contract for the breakdown of which implies a fine of 10% of the club's value, (50 million is still a real amount, but not 300m). In addition, the reaction of UEFA and FIFA was quite predictable, for this reason I am sure that such figures are something from the category of fantasy.

Yes, these arguments that constant matches between top clubs will quickly become boring is absurd. I think this is just propaganda from rotten UEFA and FIFA who do not want to miss out on their fat piece of the "pie" that others bake. Because of the pandemic, the crisis is very strong in football, so the motivation of the clubs to create the Super League is great and they will not give up so easily.

This is getting interesting. No one officially left yet.

What will happen soon? Jp Morgan said they are ready to support the next thing  ;D

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Source: https://twitter.com/theMadridZone/status/1385684556532142082

Great news. The organizers of the Super League did everything very competently - if the club took responsibility for joining a new competition, then it is responsible with money for its decision. This is serious business. I think now everything will go into the area of litigation - UEFA announced today that it will disqualify the Super League clubs from the Champions League within a week. Disgusting position (they are afraid of competition) but in my opinion this position has no prospects in court.

Twitter is a nice place.

5th worldwide spot right now. #ceferinout

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The club chairmen did not act on their own, it's very impossible to move a club from one league to another without the approval of the club owner. The club legal teams were also aware, so the clubs chairmen shouldn't be the scapegoats after all the ESL contract is still on.

I'm glad to see that there will be a penalty for leaving the ESL, this whole affair was a shambles and FIFA should still be looking at proper punishments for these rich billionaire owners who were trying to be even more greedy. Abramovich is the latest scumbag to make his apology but it is empty. It is an absolute disgrace they keep referring to the excuse of "we thought it was what the fans wanted" yet they kept the whole project in a cloak of secrecy up until the very last second they announced it, how could it be what the fans wanted when they never even consulted the fans? Something needs to happen so these super clubs can never again try to act in this way and turn a competitive sport into an entertainment show where they keep all the money at the expense of smaller clubs.

According to the newspaper Marca, there is still no certainty of the existence of this so-called compensation. It's just a rumor at the moment.
https://www.marca.com/en/football/international-football/2021/04/23/6082ad60268e3e8d048b4599.html

Now, it's one thing to say that you give up on the Super League, and it won't happen in the next few years, it's another to leave the project that was developing the idea.

I believe Perez words to be just a bluff; because English has not only withdrawn from the supposed super leagues; they have also renounced their participation. English teams did not renounce their participation to save face in the EPL or UEFA; but they could get their work permits withdrawn. The truth of the matter is that, ESL can only happen or be possible only the under the watch of UEFA / FIFA not otherwise.

And also a reality; a champions league with English premier league team is not a champions league because they generate massive funds.

You write nonsense. Realize the facts: FIFA is currently distributing money from international competitions and UEFA from national competitions. Clubs (those who create the product) are in a subordinate position and depend on the will of the fucked up corrupt officials. This is a disgusting situation and must be corrected. And by the way, the creation of the Super League will in no way harm the competitiveness of the football, but, on the contrary, will strengthen it.

How does creating a league, with a set of teams that can never drop out because they are guaranteed a place, in any way promote competitiveness? The only reason they did it was to keep a bigger cut of the revenue and you are foolish if you think otherwise. The strength of feeling from football fans and the fact that the clubs have backtracked so quickly shows you have no idea what you're talking about. If it was really good for the game they would have stuck by it and released public consultations all throughout the setup process, they hid it because they knew there was no justification and it would ruin lower level teams.

Your post is not related to Super League OP ;)
Your prediction was correct for Leicester and Sociedad but Milan lost and Torino didn't score. Milan 5th? too bad.

I just hope it remains a rumor forever. The so called super league is a bad idea from the onset. We all know the effect it will have on football fans across the world and we're not even thinking of its effect on the young players. These young ones will not even have playing time at all because of the money involved and teams will be happy to buy already made players since the fund is available.