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Title: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 [Argentina The Champions]
Post by: blue Snow on June 13, 2021, 01:34:19 AM

Same as EURO 2021, South America as Conmebol zone will continue to create the same event this year. following the https://copaamerica.com/en/ 10 teams country will play;

Group A;

Argentina
Bolivia
Uruguay
Chili
Paraguay

Group B

Brasil
Kolombia
Venezuela
Ekuador
Peru

the Copa America kicks off on 13 June when Brazil takes on Venezuela in the opening game. Brazil is the defending champion in 2019.

what the star, we will see who the top star in playing on euro league here. Lionel, Neymar, Aquero, thiago silva and many more.

Let's discuss who will the champion?


Title: Re: Copa America 2021 Discussion Thread
Post by: Oshosondy on June 13, 2021, 11:08:27 AM
Some people may be confused for clubs Copa America, what will not make people to be confused is to include the real name of the cup in your title which is CONMEBOL, then followed by Copa America which indicates it will be for countries in America (South American continent specifically). People can confuse it with the Copa America which is played by the clubs in the South America continents.


Title: Re: Copa America 2021 Discussion Thread
Post by: blue Snow on June 14, 2021, 04:04:37 AM
Some people may be confused for clubs Copa America, what will not make people to be confused is to include the real name of the cup in your title which is CONMEBOL, then followed by Copa America which indicates it will be for countries in America (South American continent specifically). People can confuse it with the Copa America which is played by the clubs in the South America continents.
Thanks for your notice, Thread has been Updated following CONMEBOL.



The result today,

Group B:

Brazil - Venezuela : 3- 0
Goals create by Marquinhos (23'), Neymar (64' pen), Barbosa Almeida (89')

Colombia vs Equador : 1 - 0
Goals create by Edwin Cardona (42')

Brazil on top stand Group B.



The next match Tomorrow, group A:

Argentina vs Chile,

Paraguay vs Bolivia.

maybe this is time to see duet Messi and Aquero before both plays in Barcelona?


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 Discussion Thread
Post by: onecall123 on June 14, 2021, 04:48:55 AM
^ Brazil 3-0 Venezuela

Yes, Goals create by Marquinhos named the first goal of the 2021 Copa America. Marquinhos is underrated but, this defender keeps popping up. Brazil start their Copa America 2021 journey with a mice winning. Neymar now has 67 international goals in just 106 games for Brazil, his stat with Brazil is so unreal which totally phenomenal. Brazil winning it again. It should be Copa Brasil, nah!


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 Discussion Thread
Post by: Karartma1 on June 14, 2021, 08:02:51 AM
Yes, Brazil opened the 2021 Copa America with a 3-0 win over a Covid-weakened Venezuela with as many as eight players absent. Defender Marquinhos scored the go-ahead goal midway through the first half, his backheel shot went through the legs of a defender and into the net.
Neymar scored his 67th national team goal from the penalty spot. Substitute Gabigol scored his third with two minutes left when he chested in a Neymar cross after the tireless PSG player had headed it past the goalkeeper.
Brazil's next game is against Peru on June 17.
But this Covid-tormented Cup shouldn't have been played at all IMO.


Title: Re: Copa America 2021 Discussion Thread
Post by: KTChampions on June 14, 2021, 01:17:29 PM
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The next match Tomorrow, group A:
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One of the most interesting matches in the group stage. Given the past when Chile beat Argentina in the 2016 final, this match will have some subtext. I often root for the underdogs and this match will root for Chile, plus I don’t like the Argentina national team (no hate  :D ).


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 Discussion Thread
Post by: alegotardo on June 14, 2021, 01:28:10 PM
But this Covid-tormented Cup shouldn't have been played at all IMO.
In fact, after more than one country refused to host the Cup, Brazil, which is still experiencing a very critical scenario of the pandemic, decides to accept.
It was all done in a hurry and I agree that it isn't the ideal time. Here it isn't like Europe, which is already at a much more advanced stage of vaccination and already has some control of Covid-19.

But anyway, since we can't change that decision, let's cheer for our teams in the safety of our homes.

Even President Jair Bolsonaro, who defended the holding of the tournament, preferred to stay at home to watch Brazil's opening game. Ironic, isn't it?


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 Discussion Thread
Post by: YOSHIE on June 14, 2021, 02:05:05 PM
plus I don’t like the Argentina national team (no hate  :D ).
You are right about the national team, at first I thought in the 2021 Copa America football game, have a big fan in my country, even though it's only a match between countries (CONMEBOL), we can watch it live on indosiar private TV in my country.

However, all bets that will be bet by gambling addicts have been lifted, they don't want to bet again in the 2021 Copa America match this time, the simple factor is their doubts about Colombia and Argentina, although other countries have not objected or denied about Argentina's resignation, honestly bettors don't want to risk Argentina sending their national team in the championship (CONMEBOL) this time, I think this will have a negative impact on gambling addicts, mixed responses, covid reasons.


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 Discussion Thread
Post by: famososMuertos on June 14, 2021, 02:20:00 PM
A controversial tournament where, as always happens, politics outweighs sports decisions and the winners are the directors of each of their federations, who receive their respective bonuses.

Although large sponsors withdraw the money is still present with their substitutes, although television rights is where the real money is.

The Venezuelan selection 9 of its holders tested positive, in total 15 players were infected, before a great controversy because the conmebol had sent the vaccines to the FVF.

Anyway, in reference, the match that lost 3-0 is cheap in an amount of goals, I expected at least 7 for Venezuelan.

Among the new summoned, some came to get off the plane and to the game to play.

Bolivia for its part is another affected team with at least five players.

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Czech Republic has just scored the goal of the Euro, for now.

My parley for today is the following:
Paraguay Vs Bolivia: w1
Argentina Vs Chile: W1

Paraguay Vs Bolivia: w1
Argentina Vs Chile: x

I think that the Argentina vs Chile match is complicated so I think that a draw is a very possible result, it is not bad to cover the bet in case Argentina does not do its job as it should.





Title: Re: Copa America 2021 Discussion Thread
Post by: Oshosondy on June 14, 2021, 03:29:52 PM
It is not surprising how Brazil trashed Venezuela, though Venezuela is also good and have good teams, but Brazilian team is better and obviously predicted to win the match.

One of the most interesting matches in the group stage. Given the past when Chile beat Argentina in the 2016 final, this match will have some subtext. I often root for the underdogs and this match will root for Chile, plus I don’t like the Argentina national team (no hate  :D ).
Why do you not like Argentina? Though, I am not from such continent and I am not even supporting any country to win, but I like Lionel Messi which will make me support Argentina. Chile also have strong players while Argentina may perform in the way we do not expect, but I will go for Argentina if necessarily need be to go for one.


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 Discussion Thread
Post by: snipie on June 14, 2021, 04:18:01 PM
I was wondering if I am the only one except the boys in sportsbet prediction pool who is following Copa America and was asking if I should open a topic about it or not ;)
Matches starting time are a bit late for most people in the other half world so I assume following all games isn't that easy.
So far Brazil and Colombia winning their games isn't a surprise.
Seeing Argentina - Chile match today in bookmakers, you have the feeling that Argentinians will win easily. In their last 3 games, Argentina won once and 2 games ended with a draw. I don't feel Argentina will win easily.


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 Discussion Thread
Post by: Slow death on June 14, 2021, 05:29:31 PM
if Venezuela had won, it would shock hundreds of people. congratulations to brazil and also congratulations to colombia for having won the game against ecuador. Today there's another very interesting game, I'm talking about the game between Argentina and Chile, Argentina is coming to this game after having some bad results in my opinion, it has had many draws, they even drew against Chile in the qualifying game for the World Cup . I think that Argentina will not be able to score more than 3 goals for today's game and still has a great chance of losing. argentina has good players who are at the top in the teams they play, but unfortunately they can't make the argentine team win convincingly


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 Discussion Thread
Post by: Saint-loup on June 14, 2021, 11:12:57 PM
I was wondering if I am the only one except the boys in sportsbet prediction pool who is following Copa America and was asking if I should open a topic about it or not ;)
Matches starting time are a bit late for most people in the other half world so I assume following all games isn't that easy.
So far Brazil and Colombia winning their games isn't a surprise.
Seeing Argentina - Chile match today in bookmakers, you have the feeling that Argentinians will win easily. In their last 3 games, Argentina won once and 2 games ended with a draw. I don't feel Argentina will win easily.
We don't need to watch a match to place a bet, if we were doing that we'd need more than 24 hours in a day to watch all the events. Anyway live streams of all matches of the Copa America are freely available on Stake.

Finally Argentina - Chile ended in a draw with one goal from Lionel Messi at 33' and one from Eduardo Vargas at 57' for the Chile(1-1)


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 Discussion Thread
Post by: blue Snow on June 15, 2021, 12:01:34 AM
Full time : Argentina vs Chile (1-1), Messi (33') and Eduardo Vargas (57')

Messi can't create any goal after that, he closely guarded by chile teams. Vidal failed to penalty execution, but Eduardo Vargas successfully reborn by header. Look like Argentina's losing strategy, chile uses a defensive strategy once in a while in counterattack. I think Argentina doesn't have a good midfielder to supplying the ball.

Paraguay vs Bolivia live now.


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 Discussion Thread
Post by: famososMuertos on June 15, 2021, 02:05:01 AM
Full time : Argentina vs Chile (1-1), Messi (33') and Eduardo Vargas (57')
,...//...,
Paraguay vs Bolivia live now.
Yeah, a beautiful goal from Messi and an excellent reaction from Eduardo Vargas to Vidals' bad shot on goal.

HIGHLIGHTS ARGENTINA 1 - 1 CHILE | COPA AMÉRICA 2021
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SDrGeb6TfOU
official channel Copa America.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E34PHA_XIAQ13Dr.jpg
Source: https://twitter.com/CopaAmerica/status/1404576792451731457
Image: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E34PHA_XIAQ13Dr?format=jpg&name=medium


⚽ Bolivia Erwin Saavedra -p- (9’)
⚽ Paraguay Alejandro Romero Gamarra (61’)
⚽ Paraguay Ángel Romero (64’)
⚽ Paraguay Ángel Romero (68’)
Source: https://twitter.com/copaamerica



...//...:

My parley for today is the following:
Paraguay Vs Bolivia: w1
Argentina Vs Chile: W1
Loss

Paraguay Vs Bolivia: w1
Argentina Vs Chile: x

I think that the Argentina vs Chile match is complicated so I think that a draw is a very possible result, it is not bad to cover the bet in case Argentina does not do its job as it should.

Well, I saved with that draw in second instances, so as not to go in the red in that combination  today.

So far positive balance in my bets, Paraguay rebounded to continue in green earnings.


Let's discuss who will the champion?
Argentina.


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 Discussion Thread
Post by: Saint-loup on June 15, 2021, 03:31:39 AM
My parley for today is the following:
Paraguay Vs Bolivia: w1
Argentina Vs Chile: W1

Paraguay Vs Bolivia: w1
Argentina Vs Chile: x

I think that the Argentina vs Chile match is complicated so I think that a draw is a very possible result, it is not bad to cover the bet in case Argentina does not do its job as it should.
Are you sure it's the best strategy to cover one outcome of your parlay with another parlay?
Why don't you just place a single bet?If the odds were too small you could place a bigger stake. With another parlay if Paraguay had lost you'd lose your 2 bets.


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 Discussion Thread
Post by: Sithara007 on June 15, 2021, 03:43:28 AM
Disappointing match for Argentina. Draw against a team like Chile (#19 in FIFA ranking) would have been unthinkable during the times of Gabriel Batistuta and Ariel Ortega. Now they don't even figure among the top 5 as per the FIFA ranking. In general, the Latin American teams have gone down over the years, and the European teams have progressed at their expense. Anyway, things are not getting any easier for Argentina. Their next match is against a strong Uruguay side (this Saturday).


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 Discussion Thread
Post by: mrongoz_imut on June 15, 2021, 06:24:56 AM
Disappointing match for Argentina. Draw against a team like Chile (#19 in FIFA ranking) would have been unthinkable during the times of Gabriel Batistuta and Ariel Ortega. Now they don't even figure among the top 5 as per the FIFA ranking. In general, the Latin American teams have gone down over the years, and the European teams have progressed at their expense. Anyway, things are not getting any easier for Argentina. Their next match is against a strong Uruguay side (this Saturday).
Argentina failed to get three points in first match on Copa America 2021 after draw with Chile, I think Chile is most terrible country for Argentina every time they make Messi always failed to get good result, from last final Chile loss Messi dream to get trophy with his country until last night Argentina never can win from Chile.


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 Discussion Thread
Post by: Zilon on June 15, 2021, 06:41:16 AM

the Copa America kicks off on 13 June when Brazil takes on Venezuela in the opening game. Brazil is the defending champion in 2019.

what the star, we will see who the top star in playing on euro league here. Lionel, Neymar, Aquero, thiago silva and many more.

Let's discuss who will the champion?
It's still too early to predict who the champion would be. Can Brazil maintain their championship?  Because all the teams here came prepared and ready for the trophy so I would only sit tight have fun all through the tournament and wait patiently to congratulate the champion of CONMEBOL 2021.


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 Discussion Thread
Post by: Oshosondy on June 15, 2021, 07:36:59 AM
It's still too early to predict who the champion would be. Can Brazil maintain their championship?  Because all the teams here came prepared and ready for the trophy so I would only sit tight have fun all through the tournament and wait patiently to congratulate the champion of CONMEBOL 2021.
Brazil has been a very tough country while it comes to football, I did followed many of their past matches, they have the highest chances to be at the top of this, CONMEBOL, it will not be surprising me if seen them at the top. If I will have to go for the country that will be the best among the South American countries qualified for this, I will go for Brazil because of the endless good experienced players they do have.


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 Discussion Thread
Post by: Saint-loup on June 15, 2021, 08:16:41 AM
Disappointing match for Argentina. Draw against a team like Chile (#19 in FIFA ranking) would have been unthinkable during the times of Gabriel Batistuta and Ariel Ortega. Now they don't even figure among the top 5 as per the FIFA ranking. In general, the Latin American teams have gone down over the years, and the European teams have progressed at their expense. Anyway, things are not getting any easier for Argentina. Their next match is against a strong Uruguay side (this Saturday).
You should give a little bit more respect to the chilean team IMO. They are 19th of the FIFA ranking and 5th of the CONMEBOL zone. Argentina didn't lose against them, they've just drawn against Chile and while  playing away from home in Brazil they've been able to score one goal. This is not a bad result at all, in soccer everything is possible in one single match, the best team can lose against the worst team. Their overall ball possession during the match was 49% against 51% for Chile so a draw is not undeserved at the end.


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 Discussion Thread
Post by: hahay on June 15, 2021, 09:28:45 AM
I personally still believe Brazil will win again but even so, I personally don't believe in a team that has as many star players as Argentina. Even so far in the Messi era, the fact is that Argentina still fails and it's even difficult to win every game. But in contrast to Brazil, we know these two teams have a lot of star players but I prefer Brazil compared to Argentina and because of that, I will still support Brazil in this tournament.


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 Discussion Thread
Post by: bryant.coleman on June 15, 2021, 10:59:57 AM
You should give a little bit more respect to the chilean team IMO. They are 19th of the FIFA ranking and 5th of the CONMEBOL zone. Argentina didn't lose against them, they've just drawn against Chile and while  playing away from home in Brazil they've been able to score one goal. This is not a bad result at all, in soccer everything is possible in one single match, the best team can lose against the worst team. Their overall ball possession during the match was 49% against 51% for Chile so a draw is not undeserved at the end.

I guess some people are not yet ready to accept the fact that Argentina is not one of the top teams in world football right now. And Chile has been a strong side for many decades now. Any team that qualifies to world cup from the toughest confederation (CONMEBOL) is assured to be a strong side. Forget about Chile, even teams such as Bolivia and Venezuela are capable of big upsets. The lower tier teams of CONMEBOL can't be compared with the lower tier teams in AFC or CONCACAF. The quality is much higher.


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 Discussion Thread
Post by: masulum on June 15, 2021, 11:32:32 AM
I personally still believe Brazil will win again but even so, I personally don't believe in a team that has as many star players as Argentina. Even so far in the Messi era, the fact is that Argentina still fails and it's even difficult to win every game. But in contrast to Brazil, we know these two teams have a lot of star players but I prefer Brazil compared to Argentina and because of that, I will still support Brazil in this tournament.

Brazil is no doubt in this championship, although there are not so many famous players at this time, but Brazil is still a country that has talented football players in history. For the semifinal, my predictions is Brazil, Argentina, Uruguay & Chile will be filled, and the final may be between Brazil and Argentina.


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 Discussion Thread
Post by: famososMuertos on June 15, 2021, 01:32:47 PM
...//...,

I think that the Argentina vs Chile match is complicated so I think that a draw is a very possible result, it is not bad to cover the bet in case Argentina does not do its job as it should.

Are you sure it's the best strategy to cover one outcome of your parlay with another parlay?
Why don't you just place a single bet?If the odds were too small you could place a bigger stake. With another parlay if Paraguay had lost you'd lose your 2 bets.

In this case, the reason the odds of the tie(x)+W were 4.62x while winning from w1+w1 represented 1.32x.

Paraguay? there is the key to my parley that guarantees the profit, it works yes,  Be careful not to say that your assessment is incorrect, on the contrary, but as I told you in the previous paragraph and in the quote, I like to do it eventually.

So it is in fact that is why it is one of the federations that receives the most quotas in relation to the number of countries involved. 4 direct plus one per playoff.


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 Discussion Thread
Post by: slaman29 on June 15, 2021, 02:05:25 PM
I was wondering if I am the only one except the boys in sportsbet prediction pool who is following Copa America and was asking if I should open a topic about it or not ;)
Matches starting time are a bit late for most people in the other half world so I assume following all games isn't that easy.
So far Brazil and Colombia winning their games isn't a surprise.
Seeing Argentina - Chile match today in bookmakers, you have the feeling that Argentinians will win easily. In their last 3 games, Argentina won once and 2 games ended with a draw. I don't feel Argentina will win easily.

Yeah, far too late for me to catch them really. I can maybe watch the first EURO game that starts almost midnight for me, but anything after that if I watch then I may have to be a zombie at work and then get fired;)

Argentina already didn't win so yeah even Messi magic can't save them. Brazil looking hot as usual.


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 Discussion Thread
Post by: snipie on June 15, 2021, 03:28:39 PM
I personally still believe Brazil will win again but even so, I personally don't believe in a team that has as many star players as Argentina. Even so far in the Messi era, the fact is that Argentina still fails and it's even difficult to win every game. But in contrast to Brazil, we know these two teams have a lot of star players but I prefer Brazil compared to Argentina and because of that, I will still support Brazil in this tournament.
Yeah I believe Brazil is better too. Messi wasn't lucky with Argentina at all when he was younger and more powerful, yet he still wants to get something before international retirement and this version of Copa America then World Cup shouldn't be missed for his team.

Argentina already didn't win so yeah even Messi magic can't save them. Brazil looking hot as usual.
Indeed :)


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 Discussion Thread
Post by: onecall123 on June 15, 2021, 04:10:57 PM
Messi scores a wonderful free kick, this man never fails to amaze us. Apart from that unbelievable free kick the rest of the match wasn't that good. Everytime we can't expect Messi to keep doing all the things but when it's time for the other team mates to step up and get Argentina up. Still hopeful for the upcoming match, if Argentina give the best then outcome will be different.  


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 Discussion Thread
Post by: mv1986 on June 15, 2021, 06:34:59 PM
Messi scores a wonderful free kick, this man never fails to amaze us. Apart from that unbelievable free kick the rest of the match wasn't that good. Everytime we can't expect Messi to keep doing all the things but when it's time for the other team mates to step up and get Argentina up. Still hopeful for the upcoming match, if Argentina give the best then outcome will be different.  

Very true and he is the best free kicker of all times, but the problem is the rest of the team. They should be able to beat Chile. Time is running out for Messi to win big titles, but can you really put all blame on him then? Many tend to do so, but if you look at his scoring statistics, both goals and service, there isn't that much more he can do. Argentina never really had a balanced team when you compare their offense to their defense. That's the biggest problem.


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 Discussion Thread
Post by: Saint-loup on June 16, 2021, 11:43:01 AM
You should give a little bit more respect to the chilean team IMO. They are 19th of the FIFA ranking and 5th of the CONMEBOL zone. Argentina didn't lose against them, they've just drawn against Chile and while  playing away from home in Brazil they've been able to score one goal. This is not a bad result at all, in soccer everything is possible in one single match, the best team can lose against the worst team. Their overall ball possession during the match was 49% against 51% for Chile so a draw is not undeserved at the end.

I guess some people are not yet ready to accept the fact that Argentina is not one of the top teams in world football right now. And Chile has been a strong side for many decades now. Any team that qualifies to world cup from the toughest confederation (CONMEBOL) is assured to be a strong side. Forget about Chile, even teams such as Bolivia and Venezuela are capable of big upsets. The lower tier teams of CONMEBOL can't be compared with the lower tier teams in AFC or CONCACAF. The quality is much higher.
I totally agree with you, I really think almost all south american teams from the CONMEBOL confederation are able to upset the best teams in the world on a single leg match.
Moreover at the last Copa America, Peru has finished at the second place and Chile at the fourth one.

That's why I place almost all my bets on underdogs during this Copa America, on top of that there is a promotion on Stake (paid out as winning bet if your selection scores in the first 15 minutes) so I pray for an early goal to back up my bet even if the match ends in a losing 3-1 lol ;D


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 Discussion Thread
Post by: Swordsoffreedom on June 16, 2021, 12:27:27 PM
Messi scores a wonderful free kick, this man never fails to amaze us. Apart from that unbelievable free kick the rest of the match wasn't that good. Everytime we can't expect Messi to keep doing all the things but when it's time for the other team mates to step up and get Argentina up. Still hopeful for the upcoming match, if Argentina give the best then outcome will be different.  

Very true and he is the best free kicker of all times, but the problem is the rest of the team. They should be able to beat Chile. Time is running out for Messi to win big titles, but can you really put all blame on him then? Many tend to do so, but if you look at his scoring statistics, both goals and service, there isn't that much more he can do. Argentina never really had a balanced team when you compare their offense to their defense. That's the biggest problem.

There are many star players in the Argentine squad. Aguero was one of the best players in the Premier League. Messi is one of the best players in the world. Despite having so many stars, Argentina is not able to perform as expected. Because there is a lack of coordination among the players on the team. Moreover, Argentina's defense is very weak. Argentina has a strong forward lineup. But the defense and midfield are much weaker than that. The team is not stable, Argentina lost in the last World Cup only because of weak defense. Nevertheless, I did not see any steps to strengthen their defense.


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 Discussion Thread
Post by: Karartma1 on June 16, 2021, 12:49:05 PM
Copa America this year is a joke! Too many covid problems and it would have been better to postpone the whole tournament. Like this it's really a shame, because the playing field it's completely uneven and unbalanced. Sometimes the money making business should take a pause, don't you think?
https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/soccer/copa-america-soccer-tournament-has-seen-52-positive-coronavirus-tests/ar-AAL4mvH


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 Discussion Thread
Post by: masulum on June 16, 2021, 04:18:13 PM
Copa America this year is a joke! Too many covid problems and it would have been better to postpone the whole tournament. Like this it's really a shame, because the playing field it's completely uneven and unbalanced. Sometimes the money making business should take a pause, don't you think?
https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/soccer/copa-america-soccer-tournament-has-seen-52-positive-coronavirus-tests/ar-AAL4mvH

If that's the case, I think the federations and competition organizers should take immediate action. Because, from the 52 cases of covid-19 found are enough to make the reason for the delay. Indeed, it will probably be a bit of time for them to run the competition before players return to the League. but players health is no. #1


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 Discussion Thread
Post by: slaman29 on June 16, 2021, 05:46:32 PM
Messi scores a wonderful free kick, this man never fails to amaze us. Apart from that unbelievable free kick the rest of the match wasn't that good. Everytime we can't expect Messi to keep doing all the things but when it's time for the other team mates to step up and get Argentina up. Still hopeful for the upcoming match, if Argentina give the best then outcome will be different.  

Very true and he is the best free kicker of all times, but the problem is the rest of the team. They should be able to beat Chile. Time is running out for Messi to win big titles, but can you really put all blame on him then? Many tend to do so, but if you look at his scoring statistics, both goals and service, there isn't that much more he can do. Argentina never really had a balanced team when you compare their offense to their defense. That's the biggest problem.

Love Messi I keep saying that but yeah, I really can't see them winning like this when Brazil is on fire, throwing everyone in their path to their side. Argentina need to stop relying on setpieces and Messi like Barca needed to 5 years ago.

And no, Messi is totally blameless. Countless campaigns carrying the entire team on his shoulder.


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 Discussion Thread
Post by: mv1986 on June 16, 2021, 08:24:32 PM
Messi scores a wonderful free kick, this man never fails to amaze us. Apart from that unbelievable free kick the rest of the match wasn't that good. Everytime we can't expect Messi to keep doing all the things but when it's time for the other team mates to step up and get Argentina up. Still hopeful for the upcoming match, if Argentina give the best then outcome will be different.  

Very true and he is the best free kicker of all times, but the problem is the rest of the team. They should be able to beat Chile. Time is running out for Messi to win big titles, but can you really put all blame on him then? Many tend to do so, but if you look at his scoring statistics, both goals and service, there isn't that much more he can do. Argentina never really had a balanced team when you compare their offense to their defense. That's the biggest problem.

There are many star players in the Argentine squad. Aguero was one of the best players in the Premier League. Messi is one of the best players in the world. Despite having so many stars, Argentina is not able to perform as expected. Because there is a lack of coordination among the players on the team. Moreover, Argentina's defense is very weak. Argentina has a strong forward lineup. But the defense and midfield are much weaker than that. The team is not stable, Argentina lost in the last World Cup only because of weak defense. Nevertheless, I did not see any steps to strengthen their defense.

The closest they were to the world cup final win was against Germany. But even then it wasn't enough. In the end it felt like both teams want to rely on the penalty shootout but Argentina got surprised by Germany's lucky moments. Afterwards I thought Messi will never come as close again.


Title: Re: Copa America 2021 Discussion Thread
Post by: KTChampions on June 16, 2021, 10:05:20 PM
One of the most interesting matches in the group stage. Given the past when Chile beat Argentina in the 2016 final, this match will have some subtext. I often root for the underdogs and this match will root for Chile, plus I don’t like the Argentina national team (no hate  :D ).
Why do you not like Argentina? Though, I am not from such continent and I am not even supporting any country to win, but I like Lionel Messi which will make me support Argentina. Chile also have strong players while Argentina may perform in the way we do not expect, but I will go for Argentina if necessarily need be to go for one.

I like many teams from this continent. And by the way, at the time of Batistuta, I was rooting for this team, but with the advent of the era of Messi, everything became very dirty. I don't like intra-team intrigues and opposition of the player's odongo to others (Messi). In recent years, it seems that these problems are gone, but I still find it hard to think about it. I'm looking forward to the times when Messi leaves the national team, I think they will be transformed without him.


Title: Re: Copa America 2021 Discussion Thread
Post by: snipie on June 16, 2021, 10:14:42 PM
I'm looking forward to the times when Messi leaves the national team, I think they will be transformed without him.
Transformation can be to a better situation or to a worse one. I will not talk much about Messi but rather how much their teammates failed him and their nation/supporters. The problem of Argentina is how effective the whole team. Having the best players is a thing and having a very coordinated and effective players is another thing. If Argentina has the late option without Messi, the team should be just fine.


Title: Re: Copa America 2021 Discussion Thread
Post by: KTChampions on June 16, 2021, 10:24:04 PM
I'm looking forward to the times when Messi leaves the national team, I think they will be transformed without him.
Transformation can be to a better situation or to a worse one. I will not talk much about Messi but rather how much their teammates failed him and their nation/supporters. The problem of Argentina is how effective the whole team. Having the best players is a thing and having a very coordinated and effective players is another thing. If Argentina has the late option without Messi, the team should be just fine.

That's what I'm talking about. At times Messi was bad in the national team, at times he was good, but he was never (in my opinion) part of the team. I hope these times will go away and we will see a real Argentina national team that will qualify for the first places in any tournament.


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 Discussion Thread
Post by: famososMuertos on June 17, 2021, 12:00:36 AM
Another of the figures that seeks a title and would enter a select list of champion with his club and Copa america in the same year.


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E4CS22MXwAc-LjV.jpg
https://twitter.com/CopaAmerica/status/1405299151957540864/photo/1

Text in the image:
Quote from: Luis Suarez
I want my children to see their daddy champion of Copa America.

No complications tomorrow, let's hope that variance doesn't affect such good odds.
May the goals be with the good...with the good teams.

Col Vs Vzla W1
Bra vs Per  W1


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 Discussion Thread
Post by: Sithara007 on June 17, 2021, 03:50:52 AM
If that's the case, I think the federations and competition organizers should take immediate action. Because, from the 52 cases of covid-19 found are enough to make the reason for the delay. Indeed, it will probably be a bit of time for them to run the competition before players return to the League. but players health is no. #1

Latin America is one of the two global regions worst affected by the pandemic (the other one is Europe, but the elderly population was the reason there). Even within Latin America, Brazil is the worst (as it has witnessed close to 500,000 deaths from the virus). I don't understand the point in conducting the tournament in Brazil, when they are still reporting around 2,000 deaths per day from the pandemic. Argentina refused to host the tournament for exactly the same reason - rising number of COVID cases.


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 Discussion Thread
Post by: blue Snow on June 17, 2021, 03:53:49 AM
And no, Messi is totally blameless. Countless campaigns carrying the entire team on his shoulder.
Yeah Messi in Argentina and Neymar in Brazil, that is 2 person who is the field in star. I don't know what happens if they don't play in Copa. besides that, there is Suarez in Uruguay either. Not only the team, all events, Copa, sponsor, and official be on their shoulders (Messi, Neymar, and Suarez).


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 Discussion Thread
Post by: swogerino on June 17, 2021, 07:12:10 AM
There is a big game coming up on the weekend,Argentina vs Uruguay.It would be nice to see this match on TV although with European time it means it is on 2 AM in the morning so we have to make a few sacrifices to see it but I think I will as it will be worth it.It is playing Argentina one of my preferred teams against Uruguay which has always played well in such tournaments.


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 Discussion Thread
Post by: hahay on June 17, 2021, 08:02:54 AM
There is a big game coming up on the weekend,Argentina vs Uruguay.It would be nice to see this match on TV although with European time it means it is on 2 AM in the morning so we have to make a few sacrifices to see it but I think I will as it will be worth it.It is playing Argentina one of my preferred teams against Uruguay which has always played well in such tournaments.
I think all the matches in this tournament will still be big games, because the underdogs in this tournament have the ability to deliver surprises. But if I predict the result in the Argentina - Uruguay match, Argentina should have won this match on paper. But for me personally doubt that, Argentina can't be expected higher despite having a lot of top players and also, this will be Uruguay's first game so I think it's possible that the result will be a draw or betting on both teams to score I think is a good option too.


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 Discussion Thread
Post by: masulum on June 17, 2021, 10:26:53 AM
Latin America is one of the two global regions worst affected by the pandemic (the other one is Europe, but the elderly population was the reason there). Even within Latin America, Brazil is the worst (as it has witnessed close to 500,000 deaths from the virus). I don't understand the point in conducting the tournament in Brazil, when they are still reporting around 2,000 deaths per day from the pandemic. Argentina refused to host the tournament for exactly the same reason - rising number of COVID cases.
There is no news that says there are additional positive cases of Covid-19 today, hopefully yesterday's cases don't increase significantly, and of course hopefully it doesn't increase at all. But, I found a bad news (https://www.reuters.com/article/soccer-copa-bolivia/soccer-bolivia-striker-faces-sanction-after-criticizing-organizers-idUSL2N2NY363) for the Bolivian player, Marcelo Martins, he is threatened with sanctions from federation because of his posts on Instagram.


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 Discussion Thread
Post by: KTChampions on June 17, 2021, 10:32:43 AM
There is no news that says there are additional positive cases of Covid-19 today, hopefully yesterday's cases don't increase significantly, and of course hopefully it doesn't increase at all. But, I found a bad news (https://www.reuters.com/article/soccer-copa-bolivia/soccer-bolivia-striker-faces-sanction-after-criticizing-organizers-idUSL2N2NY363) for the Bolivian player, Marcelo Martins, he is threatened with sanctions from federation because of his posts on Instagram.

Sad news. I am not saying that I support or dispute his opinion, it saddens me that freedom of speech and opinion is limited everywhere and in all spheres. In order to be free in your statements today, you must be an unemployed beggar, but that is the possibility that for certain words you will be prosecuted.

The results of today's matches are obvious to me:
Brazil will beat Peru and Colombia will beat Venezuela.

By the way it seems like easy money: 1,33 x 1,19 = 1,58  ::)



Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 Discussion Thread
Post by: Karartma1 on June 17, 2021, 12:26:09 PM
Copa America this year is a joke! Too many covid problems and it would have been better to postpone the whole tournament. Like this it's really a shame, because the playing field it's completely uneven and unbalanced. Sometimes the money making business should take a pause, don't you think?
https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/soccer/copa-america-soccer-tournament-has-seen-52-positive-coronavirus-tests/ar-AAL4mvH

If that's the case, I think the federations and competition organizers should take immediate action. Because, from the 52 cases of covid-19 found are enough to make the reason for the delay. Indeed, it will probably be a bit of time for them to run the competition before players return to the League. but players health is no. #1
Do you genuinely think that those people in charge care about what's happening in LATAM covid speaking? They don't care: I saw a video that I can't recall now where an Argentinian doctor's been arrested by the police in Rosario because he was talking about medicine and covid.
CONMEBOL needs money and will go until the last mile to make them.


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 Discussion Thread
Post by: Swordsoffreedom on June 17, 2021, 01:58:22 PM
There is a big game coming up on the weekend,Argentina vs Uruguay.It would be nice to see this match on TV although with European time it means it is on 2 AM in the morning so we have to make a few sacrifices to see it but I think I will as it will be worth it.It is playing Argentina one of my preferred teams against Uruguay which has always played well in such tournaments.

It is expected to be a very competitive match. The two teams are strong. Uruguay is a very stable team. Although there are many star players in the Argentina team, I am not satisfied with their performance. If Argentina want to win against Uruguay, their defenders must play well in their position. Otherwise, it is not possible to defeat Uruguay.


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 Discussion Thread
Post by: slaman29 on June 17, 2021, 02:36:48 PM
Another of the figures that seeks a title and would enter a select list of champion with his club and Copa america in the same year.

My favorite player for many years when he played for my team, I was so happy to see him win after my club just dumped him so badly. I want him to win this too, but it's going to be really tough with Brazil just looking so crazy good. I wish him the best.

Boring odds tonight even with parlay less than 1.5x? Maybe both teams to win to zero are better?


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 Discussion Thread
Post by: famososMuertos on June 17, 2021, 04:29:55 PM
...//...:
My favorite player for many years when he played for my team, I was so happy to see him win after my club just dumped him so badly. I want him to win this too, but it's going to be really tough with Brazil just looking so crazy good. I wish him the best....//...:

I think Uruguay has a team to get into the final, Cavani1 comes to play the Cup with a situation similar to Suarez when he left Barcelona, both players are decisive in their teams and with the national team they have reached the moment of "now or never" because age is something that may be marking the end of their careers.

[1][News]
Quote
Manchester United striker Edinson Cavani said on Monday he expects to return to South America from the English Premier League at the end of next season.
Source: https://www.france24.com/en/live-news/20210614-cavani-tempted-by-south-american-return-after-united

...//...:
...//...,Boring odds tonight even with parlay less than 1.5x? Maybe both teams to win to zero are better?

I don't think there will be surprises in these games and in fact right now they are at 1.25x.


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 Discussion Thread
Post by: snipie on June 17, 2021, 07:35:44 PM
The results of today's matches are obvious to me:
Brazil will beat Peru and Colombia will beat Venezuela.

By the way it seems like easy money: 1,33 x 1,19 = 1,58  ::)
Indeed, I doubt there will be surprises in these matches. Colombia is way better than Venezuela. Brazil generally wins with +2 goals vs Peru but failed sometimes, I doubt Peruvian team will resist in this game.
BTW in Stake, 1.39 x 1.22 = 1.69 ;)
(not very interesting odds for me)


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 Discussion Thread
Post by: Dewi Aries on June 17, 2021, 09:30:48 PM
The results of today's matches are obvious to me:
Brazil will beat Peru and Colombia will beat Venezuela.

By the way it seems like easy money: 1,33 x 1,19 = 1,58  ::)
Indeed, I doubt there will be surprises in these matches. Colombia is way better than Venezuela. Brazil generally wins with +2 goals vs Peru but failed sometimes, I doubt Peruvian team will resist in this game.
BTW in Stake, 1.39 x 1.22 = 1.69 ;)
(not very interesting odds for me)

I prefer to bet on the half time when the favorite team is against the lower team now i'm waiting for colombia to do it in 15 minutes left
If I lose I will double it in the Brazil match I checked Brazil's match record they have a good record at half time.


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 Discussion Thread
Post by: snipie on June 17, 2021, 11:36:25 PM
I prefer to bet on the half time when the favorite team is against the lower team now i'm waiting for colombia to do it in 15 minutes left
If I lose I will double it in the Brazil match I checked Brazil's match record they have a good record at half time.
Colombia 0 - 0 Venezuela. Well that was unexpected :-\
I don't know if I should be thankful for the not attractive odds that made me stay away from betting in this game but I feel the pain of losing what supposed to be easy money meh... To resume the game, Venezuela = 0 threat = 1 point!


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 Discussion Thread
Post by: famososMuertos on June 18, 2021, 04:11:33 AM
Col vs Vzla: x
Well that result destroys parley and takes us away points, unexpected given the circumstances of Venezuela but not the area of Conmebol where it is not strange to see this type of results in one of the most fierce confederations, so it is not surprising that Venezuela always plays well to Colombia.

Man of the Match.: WUILKER FARIÑEZVzla

On the other hand, Brazil did the task as it should, with Neymar playing at a good level.

In fact, his performance let him see his emotion, he even cried in the interview with the media, he was really very excited; He stated that he was able to play at a good level after having been injured in previous competitions with his national team.

Bra vs Pe; W1

Man of the Match.: Neymar jr.Br

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E4IiLAqWQAIFZXJ.jpg
Source:https://twitter.com/CopaAmerica/status/1405725924830633986/photo/1

It will be difficult if Venezuela classifies among the 8 best for which we are scoring points, unexpectedly third place,for now.


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 Discussion Thread
Post by: Iranus on June 18, 2021, 06:37:07 AM
I prefer to bet on the half time when the favorite team is against the lower team now i'm waiting for colombia to do it in 15 minutes left
If I lose I will double it in the Brazil match I checked Brazil's match record they have a good record at half time.
Colombia 0 - 0 Venezuela. Well that was unexpected :-\
I don't know if I should be thankful for the not attractive odds that made me stay away from betting in this game but I feel the pain of losing what supposed to be easy money meh... To resume the game, Venezuela = 0 threat = 1 point!

There was a really unexpected result I bet on Colombia's victory. And my guess was that Colombia might win 1-0 or 2-1. Throughout the match we saw a lot of attacks from Colombian players. But they could not score a single goal.


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 Discussion Thread
Post by: swogerino on June 18, 2021, 07:22:31 AM
I prefer to bet on the half time when the favorite team is against the lower team now i'm waiting for colombia to do it in 15 minutes left
If I lose I will double it in the Brazil match I checked Brazil's match record they have a good record at half time.
Colombia 0 - 0 Venezuela. Well that was unexpected :-\
I don't know if I should be thankful for the not attractive odds that made me stay away from betting in this game but I feel the pain of losing what supposed to be easy money meh... To resume the game, Venezuela = 0 threat = 1 point!

There was a really unexpected result I bet on Colombia's victory. And my guess was that Colombia might win 1-0 or 2-1. Throughout the match we saw a lot of attacks from Colombian players. But they could not score a single goal.

That is called bad luck,really bad luck.I have lost so many bets this way when I have bet on the strong team to win and they have dominated throughout the game without being able to score,nothing we can do about it,we should move on to the next bet and hopefully we will have better luck.Anyway it looks like from this group Brazil and Colombia are strongest teams here so Colombia maybe took it a bit easy on Venezuela and that is why they were not able to score.


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 Discussion Thread
Post by: Karartma1 on June 18, 2021, 10:52:02 AM
Despite Covid, Group B should be Argentina and Uruguay business: instead, at the top of the group, at the moment, there is Paraguay with three points. The Albiceleste, one of the great favorites on the eve of the match, made its debut with a not very exciting draw against Chile: Messi's splendid free kick was answered by  Vargas, after having rebounded the wrong penalty kick by Vidal.
I think Argentina wants to forget the disappointing debut against Chile and is a slight favorite against a historical rival like Uruguay, which has not had extraordinary results. Both should still score a goal on each side.


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 Discussion Thread
Post by: hahay on June 18, 2021, 11:34:36 AM
Despite Covid, Group B should be Argentina and Uruguay business: instead, at the top of the group, at the moment, there is Paraguay with three points. The Albiceleste, one of the great favorites on the eve of the match, made its debut with a not very exciting draw against Chile: Messi's splendid free kick was answered by  Vargas, after having rebounded the wrong penalty kick by Vidal.
I think Argentina wants to forget the disappointing debut against Chile and is a slight favorite against a historical rival like Uruguay, which has not had extraordinary results. Both should still score a goal on each side.

Chile are not a weak team, so it's not just about Argentina and Uruguay. I personally am no longer surprised by Argentina's draw because it has become a common result for Messi and his friends in Argentina. Also, Uruguay will only play its first match against Argentina later so of course, there hasn't been any result for Uruguay so far in this tournament but I'm sure, Uruguay is also not a weak team because Argentina itself often gets disappointing results when many people expect it.


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 Discussion Thread
Post by: Swordsoffreedom on June 18, 2021, 01:12:57 PM
The match between Argentina and Uruguay will be held tomorrow. The most competitive match of the Copa America group stage. Both teams are equally strong. Argentina drew with an easy opponent in the first match. If they want to win against a strong opponent like Uruguay, the Argentine defenders will have to resist two star players Cavani and Suarez. However, Argentina's defense is not strong. I doubt if they will be able to resist Suarez and Cavani.


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 Discussion Thread
Post by: onecall123 on June 18, 2021, 01:58:07 PM
The match between Argentina and Uruguay will be held tomorrow. The most competitive match of the Copa America group stage. Both teams are equally strong. Argentina drew with an easy opponent in the first match. If they want to win against a strong opponent like Uruguay, the Argentine defenders will have to resist two star players Cavani and Suarez. However, Argentina's defense is not strong. I doubt if they will be able to resist Suarez and Cavani.
That is the reality. Argentina cohesion is still to be improved, just depend on their individual abilities, and if at any point they come across a very disciplined team like Germany, we understand what the result will be. Argentina and Uruguay both are strong team however Argentina need to more work on its game specially on their defense side, and should create more scoring opportunities.


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 Discussion Thread
Post by: slaman29 on June 18, 2021, 02:34:20 PM
I think Uruguay has a team to get into the final, Cavani1 comes to play the Cup with a situation similar to Suarez when he left Barcelona, both players are decisive in their teams and with the national team they have reached the moment of "now or never" because age is something that may be marking the end of their careers.

=========

I don't think there will be surprises in these games and in fact right now they are at 1.25x.

Uruguay are tournament 2nd or 3rd favorites and of course I can see why. Cavani and Suarez as we all know, old, wily, smart in the penalty box and totally suited to the style of Copa where you really have to grind out wins. They both want this badly and I wouldn't be surprised if they get to the final but yellow cards for suspension and injury is where they are both weak.

And well, surprise Colombia, I lost my parlay for them hmpff.


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 Discussion Thread
Post by: Swordsoffreedom on June 18, 2021, 03:41:14 PM
The match between Argentina and Uruguay will be held tomorrow. The most competitive match of the Copa America group stage. Both teams are equally strong. Argentina drew with an easy opponent in the first match. If they want to win against a strong opponent like Uruguay, the Argentine defenders will have to resist two star players Cavani and Suarez. However, Argentina's defense is not strong. I doubt if they will be able to resist Suarez and Cavani.
That is the reality. Argentina cohesion is still to be improved, just depend on their individual abilities, and if at any point they come across a very disciplined team like Germany, we understand what the result will be. Argentina and Uruguay both are strong team however Argentina need to more work on its game specially on their defense side, and should create more scoring opportunities.

I think if the Argentine defenders can do their job properly today, then Argentina will win today. The Argentina team is strong. They have a great forward lineup. Their only problem within their team is that their defense is very weak. There are no skilled and experienced defenders. If the defenders do not perform well, Argentina will lose. Because, Uruguay team has skilled striker.


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 Discussion Thread
Post by: LittleBitFunny on June 18, 2021, 03:56:53 PM
The match between Argentina and Uruguay will be held tomorrow. The most competitive match of the Copa America group stage. Both teams are equally strong. Argentina drew with an easy opponent in the first match. If they want to win against a strong opponent like Uruguay, the Argentine defenders will have to resist two star players Cavani and Suarez. However, Argentina's defense is not strong. I doubt if they will be able to resist Suarez and Cavani.
That is the reality. Argentina cohesion is still to be improved, just depend on their individual abilities, and if at any point they come across a very disciplined team like Germany, we understand what the result will be. Argentina and Uruguay both are strong team however Argentina need to more work on its game specially on their defense side, and should create more scoring opportunities.

I think if the Argentine defenders can do their job properly today, then Argentina will win today. The Argentina team is strong. They have a great forward lineup. Their only problem within their team is that their defense is very weak. There are no skilled and experienced defenders. If the defenders do not perform well, Argentina will lose. Because, Uruguay team has skilled striker.

We have seen for several years that Argentina's defense is weak. In the previous World Cup, Argentina could not perform as expected due to weak defense. But even then I didn’t see any move from the AFA to strengthen their defense. The same kind of weak defenders are being taken into the team and as usual they are performing poorly. I don't understand how Argentina dreams of winning the title without strengthening the defense.


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 Discussion Thread
Post by: snipie on June 18, 2021, 04:37:32 PM
We have seen for several years that Argentina's defense is weak. In the previous World Cup, Argentina could not perform as expected due to weak defense. But even then I didn’t see any move from the AFA to strengthen their defense. The same kind of weak defenders are being taken into the team and as usual they are performing poorly. I don't understand how Argentina dreams of winning the title without strengthening the defense.
Having stars without having a consistent team will not make them champions, barely nothing changed in Argentina in the last couple years... Now they have to face Uruguay which isn't an easy team at all, I see the result as 50/50 although odds are in favor of Argentina @2 vs @4 for Uruguay.
Brazil did an excellent job yesterday trashing Peru with 4 goals! Incredible!


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 Discussion Thread
Post by: KTChampions on June 18, 2021, 07:45:38 PM
Colombia 0 - 0 Venezuela. Well that was unexpected :-\
I don't know if I should be thankful for the not attractive odds that made me stay away from betting in this game but I feel the pain of losing what supposed to be easy money meh... To resume the game, Venezuela = 0 threat = 1 point!

The result was really surprising (to some extent this is good, otherwise I began to feel excitement and a desire to risk my money, which could end badly).
By the way, you wrote earlier that the coefficient is not very interesting for you. In what sense? Do you choose more risky events or, on the contrary, more likely ones with a lower coefficient?


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 Discussion Thread
Post by: snipie on June 18, 2021, 10:16:16 PM
Colombia 0 - 0 Venezuela. Well that was unexpected :-\
I don't know if I should be thankful for the not attractive odds that made me stay away from betting in this game but I feel the pain of losing what supposed to be easy money meh... To resume the game, Venezuela = 0 threat = 1 point!

The result was really surprising (to some extent this is good, otherwise I began to feel excitement and a desire to risk my money, which could end badly).
By the way, you wrote earlier that the coefficient is not very interesting for you. In what sense? Do you choose more risky events or, on the contrary, more likely ones with a lower coefficient?
I prefer riskier ones where the odds are above 1.5 and preferably around 2, in general. I also back a team behind by 1 goal to win, of course if I trust they will do it (ManU failed me in their game vs Villarreal BTW ::) ).
Odds @1.2-1.3 vs @6-8 don't attract me, since I have to bet with a big amount for the favorite team or risk a smaller with the underdog one which end up with surprising results!! What about you KTChampions?


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 Discussion Thread
Post by: Slow death on June 18, 2021, 10:51:36 PM
provisional results:

Chile 1 - 0 Bolivia

if the result of this game ends as it is currently, chile will be in first place in group B, the question will be to see how argentina will enter the game against uruguay, because with Chile's victory, argentina cannot afford to losing the game against uruguay, i particularly thought that argentina would at least be able to finish all games with victories, but from what i see the old problem of draws still haunts argentine


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 Discussion Thread
Post by: Rabi3 on June 18, 2021, 11:12:28 PM

the question will be to see how argentina will enter the game against uruguay, because with Chile's victory, argentina cannot afford to losing the game against uruguay, i particularly thought that argentina would at least be able to finish all games with victories, but from what i see the old problem of draws still haunts argentine
i don't know about Argentina winning all the matches, Chile and Uruguay are some really tough teams, so winning all the matches was really hard for them, but still i was expecting them to do better, they still have a chance though, i believe that they can win against Uruguay today, i'll be rooting for them, i don't like betting on groups matches, especially the first ones, since not all the games are decisive.


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 Discussion Thread
Post by: bitzizzix on June 19, 2021, 01:06:44 AM

the question will be to see how argentina will enter the game against uruguay, because with Chile's victory, argentina cannot afford to losing the game against uruguay, i particularly thought that argentina would at least be able to finish all games with victories, but from what i see the old problem of draws still haunts argentine
i don't know about Argentina winning all the matches, Chile and Uruguay are some really tough teams, so winning all the matches was really hard for them, but still i was expecting them to do better, they still have a chance though, i believe that they can win against Uruguay today, i'll be rooting for them, i don't like betting on groups matches, especially the first ones, since not all the games are decisive.
Argentina beat Uruguay 1-0 and Rodriguez scored in the 13th minute through Messi's pass, and in the first half Uruguay looked to dominate the game and there had to be a change in the second half.
The second half of the match is underway, and I think argentina will win 2-1 against uruguay and messi will score.


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 Discussion Thread
Post by: Joca97 on June 19, 2021, 01:28:58 AM

the question will be to see how argentina will enter the game against uruguay, because with Chile's victory, argentina cannot afford to losing the game against uruguay, i particularly thought that argentina would at least be able to finish all games with victories, but from what i see the old problem of draws still haunts argentine
i don't know about Argentina winning all the matches, Chile and Uruguay are some really tough teams, so winning all the matches was really hard for them, but still i was expecting them to do better, they still have a chance though, i believe that they can win against Uruguay today, i'll be rooting for them, i don't like betting on groups matches, especially the first ones, since not all the games are decisive.
Argentina beat Uruguay 1-0 and Rodriguez scored in the 13th minute through Messi's pass, and in the first half Uruguay looked to dominate the game and there had to be a change in the second half.
The second half of the match is underway, and I think argentina will win 2-1 against uruguay and messi will score.

Argentina is still leading the match after 70 minutes of gameplay.Not a single chance yet in the second half.Urugvay is really struggling to score with 2 amazing strikers in front Cavani and Suarez was expecting at least on goal.Still 20 minutes to be played hopefully we see more goals


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 Discussion Thread
Post by: slaman29 on June 19, 2021, 08:35:04 AM
Such slim victories for both, one was the outright fav and Argentina were the slight ones, 2x a little bit over IIRC.

The matches were way too late for me to watch of course, so I'll never know how it played out but happy my Messi man didn't get disappointed with another draw after yet another single goal involvement:)


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 Discussion Thread
Post by: mv1986 on June 19, 2021, 09:54:03 AM
I am curious how Argentina and Messi will be doing in the upcoming game. They are already under massive pressure and Uruguay isn't just any team. They have definitely a well above average squad. Going to be a close one no doubt about that. Brazil looks to be in decent shape.

What are your favorites here for the championship?


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 Discussion Thread
Post by: snipie on June 19, 2021, 02:03:49 PM
Such slim victories for both, one was the outright fav and Argentina were the slight ones, 2x a little bit over IIRC.

The matches were way too late for me to watch of course, so I'll never know how it played out but happy my Messi man didn't get disappointed with another draw after yet another single goal involvement:)
Same I cannot watch the game but I saw a highlight. I didn't see opportunities for the Uruguayan team except for an attempt from Suarez but it wasn't accurate at all. Argentina missed few shots and winning with 1 goal isn't reassuring imo.


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 Discussion Thread
Post by: KTChampions on June 19, 2021, 03:15:14 PM
The result was really surprising (to some extent this is good, otherwise I began to feel excitement and a desire to risk my money, which could end badly).
By the way, you wrote earlier that the coefficient is not very interesting for you. In what sense? Do you choose more risky events or, on the contrary, more likely ones with a lower coefficient?
I prefer riskier ones where the odds are above 1.5 and preferably around 2, in general. I also back a team behind by 1 goal to win, of course if I trust they will do it (ManU failed me in their game vs Villarreal BTW ::) ).
Odds @1.2-1.3 vs @6-8 don't attract me, since I have to bet with a big amount for the favorite team or risk a smaller with the underdog one which end up with surprising results!! What about you KTChampions?

I can’t say that I like some dimension of the coefficients, I’m just looking for what I think is an imbalance. For example, at Euro tournament, the Belgian team is clearly underestimated for some reason and the odds for its victory in each match are very attractive.
As for bets with odds of 1.2-1.3, perhaps they should be especially feared at the group stages, since sometimes the teams' strategy allows loss of points and, in fact, at the group stage, separate results are not catastrophic.
As for the America's Cup, here any stage is random  ;D so it really makes sense to choose only high odds.


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 Discussion Thread
Post by: famososMuertos on June 19, 2021, 04:27:55 PM
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And well, surprise Colombia, I lost my parlay for them hmpff.

damn ... score.
It's the fun of this, if it were easy, we would all be millionaires ... so it's okay to curse  :)

This group is getting complicated, to have an insurance eliminated (vzla) now we have to take it into account and in fact with many possibilities of passing, thanks to that tie.


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 Discussion Thread
Post by: Slow death on June 19, 2021, 05:13:17 PM
The Argentina team is strong.

Argentina's biggest problem is that they can't score many goals and have had many draws. for example from the last 6 games:

Argentina 2 - 0 Peru

Argentina 1 -  Uruguai

in the last 6 games argentina only managed to win two games and they were games with weak teams in my opinion


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 Discussion Thread
Post by: john_nautica on June 19, 2021, 05:23:09 PM
It is important to stay up to date and also make the necessary adjustments every time. You often see that with sites, I'm in favor of not making the changes too big, because that can cause confusion for some players and nobody wants that. Many players who are attached to the old interface also want to continue to use or see it as much as possible


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 Discussion Thread
Post by: hahay on June 19, 2021, 05:48:25 PM
I am curious how Argentina and Messi will be doing in the upcoming game. They are already under massive pressure and Uruguay isn't just any team. They have definitely a well above average squad. Going to be a close one no doubt about that. Brazil looks to be in decent shape.

What are your favorites here for the championship?
Of course Brazil and I have said before about Argentina in the Messi era which seems difficult to keep producing good and consistent results, very different from Brazil who have the ability to be consistent. Therefore, I do not hesitate to continue to support Brazil in this tournament but indeed, the opponents that the two teams have faced so far seem like Brazil has an easier opponent when compared to the opponents facing Argentina. But I personally don't care about that factor because after all, Brazil remains the best favorite in this tournament as defending champions.


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 Discussion Thread
Post by: mv1986 on June 19, 2021, 11:13:15 PM
I am curious how Argentina and Messi will be doing in the upcoming game. They are already under massive pressure and Uruguay isn't just any team. They have definitely a well above average squad. Going to be a close one no doubt about that. Brazil looks to be in decent shape.

What are your favorites here for the championship?
Of course Brazil and I have said before about Argentina in the Messi era which seems difficult to keep producing good and consistent results, very different from Brazil who have the ability to be consistent. Therefore, I do not hesitate to continue to support Brazil in this tournament but indeed, the opponents that the two teams have faced so far seem like Brazil has an easier opponent when compared to the opponents facing Argentina. But I personally don't care about that factor because after all, Brazil remains the best favorite in this tournament as defending champions.

Yes they had easier opponents and I think in a semifinal or final everything is possible even for the underdog. We have seen that before all too often. But from what I can tell now Brazil seems strong, Neymar is in shape and the squad is alright. It is not like when Brazil had its prime time years and years ago, but it is a good squad that I think definitely should be considered a big favorite for the title.


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 Discussion Thread
Post by: blue Snow on June 20, 2021, 12:29:12 AM
So far, Brazil is the strongest team at the moment. they swept away the victory. I think they only need 1 victory to step away to the next round. Neymar playing well, he had the top score with 2 goals and create 1 assist to goal. I hope he creates any goal when playing versus Colombia on Thursday. in another side, lionel Messi plays alone in Argentina, I don't see another 10 players, different when I see him in Barcelona.


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 Discussion Thread
Post by: Sithara007 on June 20, 2021, 03:23:23 AM
So far, Brazil is the strongest team at the moment. they swept away the victory. I think they only need 1 victory to step away to the next round. Neymar playing well, he had the top score with 2 goals and create 1 assist to goal. I hope he creates any goal when playing versus Colombia on Thursday. in another side, lionel Messi plays alone in Argentina, I don't see another 10 players, different when I see him in Barcelona.

I didn't watched any of the matches live, but watched the highlights (the timing is a bit odd, for Indians). I would say that Brazil looks far ahead of all the other teams in terms of quality. They have widened the gap with Argentina and teams such as Uruguay, Paraguay and Chile.

Now I have a question related to Argentina. As we all know, Messi is not getting enough support from his team mates. Could the situation have been any different, if Paulo Dybala was not excluded from the Argentine squad? I would say that if he was there, then Messi could have got at least some support. When Dybala was omitted from the squad, the excuse being given was that he was not fit enough. But I can see him playing club football. And his so called replacement (Rodrigo De Paul) has failed big time.


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 Discussion Thread
Post by: hahay on June 20, 2021, 05:56:36 AM
Venezuela - Ecuador
If I look at the odds at the moment Ecuador is the favorite and I think that's probably the right thing, considering from the two games the fact that Venezuela has still not scored. But if I consider the previous result where Venezuela was able to draw with Colombia, then it looks like this match will be tough too. That way, I bet Under 2.5 goals @1.59 because maybe the match will end in a draw or Ecuador will win by a narrow margin.


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 Discussion Thread
Post by: mv1986 on June 20, 2021, 08:01:56 AM
So far, Brazil is the strongest team at the moment. they swept away the victory. I think they only need 1 victory to step away to the next round. Neymar playing well, he had the top score with 2 goals and create 1 assist to goal. I hope he creates any goal when playing versus Colombia on Thursday. in another side, lionel Messi plays alone in Argentina, I don't see another 10 players, different when I see him in Barcelona.

I didn't watched any of the matches live, but watched the highlights (the timing is a bit odd, for Indians). I would say that Brazil looks far ahead of all the other teams in terms of quality. They have widened the gap with Argentina and teams such as Uruguay, Paraguay and Chile.

Now I have a question related to Argentina. As we all know, Messi is not getting enough support from his team mates. Could the situation have been any different, if Paulo Dybala was not excluded from the Argentine squad? I would say that if he was there, then Messi could have got at least some support. When Dybala was omitted from the squad, the excuse being given was that he was not fit enough. But I can see him playing club football. And his so called replacement (Rodrigo De Paul) has failed big time.

I do like Paulo Dybala, but sometimes it feels like he is too inconsistent. One game a genius, the other game not so much. But still I think he belongs into the team. Keep in mind though that as far I recall correctly they already did play together for Argentina for quite a while and didn't win anything either. The team always suffered from its imbalance between the strong offense and the weak defense. They were never fully able to resolve that issue. At the end luck is also a factor if you look back at the world cup final in 2014. Argentina could have won that final as likely as Germany. The game was absolutely 50:50. Had Argentina won it, nobody would still be discussing how Messi failed to win something big. That's how sports work, nobody remembers the vice champions.


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 Discussion Thread
Post by: john_nautica on June 20, 2021, 08:06:05 AM
So far, Brazil is the strongest team at the moment. they swept away the victory. I think they only need 1 victory to step away to the next round. Neymar playing well, he had the top score with 2 goals and create 1 assist to goal. I hope he creates any goal when playing versus Colombia on Thursday. in another side, lionel Messi plays alone in Argentina, I don't see another 10 players, different when I see him in Barcelona.

I didn't watched any of the matches live, but watched the highlights (the timing is a bit odd, for Indians). I would say that Brazil looks far ahead of all the other teams in terms of quality. They have widened the gap with Argentina and teams such as Uruguay, Paraguay and Chile.

Now I have a question related to Argentina. As we all know, Messi is not getting enough support from his team mates. Could the situation have been any different, if Paulo Dybala was not excluded from the Argentine squad? I would say that if he was there, then Messi could have got at least some support. When Dybala was omitted from the squad, the excuse being given was that he was not fit enough. But I can see him playing club football. And his so called replacement (Rodrigo De Paul) has failed big time.

I do like Paulo Dybala, but sometimes it feels like he is too inconsistent. One game a genius, the other game not so much. But still I think he belongs into the team. Keep in mind though that as far I recall correctly they already did play together for Argentina for quite a while and didn't win anything either. The team always suffered from its imbalance between the strong offense and the weak defense. They were never fully able to resolve that issue. At the end luck is also a factor if you look back at the world cup final in 2014. Argentina could have won that final as likely as Germany. The game was absolutely 50:50. Had Argentina won it, nobody would still be discussing how Messi failed to win something big. That's how sports work, nobody remembers the vice champions.

Argentina has a very strong squad. I even think on paper equivalent to France. But in practice, France has done things better. If you looked at the players individually, it would be close together. And we're not just talking about Messi. Still, I don't think Argentina will become world champions in the next 10 years. certainly also because Messi will have retired by then.
Brazil will have a decent chance to win.


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 Discussion Thread
Post by: blue Snow on June 20, 2021, 12:09:46 PM
Now I have a question related to Argentina. As we all know, Messi is not getting enough support from his team mates. Could the situation have been any different, if Paulo Dybala was not excluded from the Argentine squad?
Not really, Dybala is in a forwarding position, I think if La Joya on the squad, he will fight for the ball with Messi. Argentine needs a midfielder who has supplied to Messi may be better if Lionel Scaloni places Dimaria on the squad.

Venezuela - Ecuador
At the moment Ecuador had lost vs Colombia, but Venezuela isn't on the full squad because of covid-19. average bet to Ecuador 1-0.

I do like Paulo Dybala, but sometimes it feels like he is too inconsistent. One game a genius, the other game not so much.
because of injury and rarely play in Juventus, it could make he be inconsistent. it will also decrease his performance.


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 Discussion Thread
Post by: snipie on June 20, 2021, 03:51:25 PM
Venezuela - Ecuador
If I look at the odds at the moment Ecuador is the favorite and I think that's probably the right thing, considering from the two games the fact that Venezuela has still not scored. But if I consider the previous result where Venezuela was able to draw with Colombia, then it looks like this match will be tough too. That way, I bet Under 2.5 goals @1.59 because maybe the match will end in a draw or Ecuador will win by a narrow margin.
I will stay away from this game although I believe Ecuador will win it. A very hazardous game for me that might end with a disappointment, without taking on consideration covid absentees...


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 Discussion Thread
Post by: Sterbens on June 20, 2021, 04:31:15 PM
Venezuela - Ecuador
If I look at the odds at the moment Ecuador is the favorite and I think that's probably the right thing, considering from the two games the fact that Venezuela has still not scored. But if I consider the previous result where Venezuela was able to draw with Colombia, then it looks like this match will be tough too. That way, I bet Under 2.5 goals @1.59 because maybe the match will end in a draw or Ecuador will win by a narrow margin.

yesterday I tried to access this site and there is indeed a problem with the domain. then i tried it today at first it was accessible but when i went to the site's auto bet page it came back like an error occurred.
can you explain how this keeps happening, i think my internet network is not good. don't tell me if the Domain is just a domain that you rent for a month until the game is over or will it continue?


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 Discussion Thread
Post by: KTChampions on June 20, 2021, 05:57:53 PM
I will stay away from this game although I believe Ecuador will win it. A very hazardous game for me that might end with a disappointment, without taking on consideration covid absentees...

I agree with you, with all due respect to these teams, their level is very low and here the result is too random to risk your money. It seems to me that more or less reliable bets will appear from the playoff stage. At the moment, it is best to follow the teams in order to understand their capabilities and wait for good matches.


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 Discussion Thread
Post by: mv1986 on June 20, 2021, 06:03:59 PM
So far, Brazil is the strongest team at the moment. they swept away the victory. I think they only need 1 victory to step away to the next round. Neymar playing well, he had the top score with 2 goals and create 1 assist to goal. I hope he creates any goal when playing versus Colombia on Thursday. in another side, lionel Messi plays alone in Argentina, I don't see another 10 players, different when I see him in Barcelona.

I didn't watched any of the matches live, but watched the highlights (the timing is a bit odd, for Indians). I would say that Brazil looks far ahead of all the other teams in terms of quality. They have widened the gap with Argentina and teams such as Uruguay, Paraguay and Chile.

Now I have a question related to Argentina. As we all know, Messi is not getting enough support from his team mates. Could the situation have been any different, if Paulo Dybala was not excluded from the Argentine squad? I would say that if he was there, then Messi could have got at least some support. When Dybala was omitted from the squad, the excuse being given was that he was not fit enough. But I can see him playing club football. And his so called replacement (Rodrigo De Paul) has failed big time.

I do like Paulo Dybala, but sometimes it feels like he is too inconsistent. One game a genius, the other game not so much. But still I think he belongs into the team. Keep in mind though that as far I recall correctly they already did play together for Argentina for quite a while and didn't win anything either. The team always suffered from its imbalance between the strong offense and the weak defense. They were never fully able to resolve that issue. At the end luck is also a factor if you look back at the world cup final in 2014. Argentina could have won that final as likely as Germany. The game was absolutely 50:50. Had Argentina won it, nobody would still be discussing how Messi failed to win something big. That's how sports work, nobody remembers the vice champions.

Argentina has a very strong squad. I even think on paper equivalent to France. But in practice, France has done things better. If you looked at the players individually, it would be close together. And we're not just talking about Messi. Still, I don't think Argentina will become world champions in the next 10 years. certainly also because Messi will have retired by then.
Brazil will have a decent chance to win.

For some reason I agree with you. It is like Argentina is damned to not win something big. I don't know, I think they have also been unlucky in the important moments. They had two finals in the Copa America and the World Championship final, but to be honest it can happen to lose a dozen of finals. In Tennis it is even harder. Not sure who it was, but I think some guy played 5 or 6 major finals and lost them all before winning one, maybe Murray? I don't think it's their quality as a player or team, but just a mix of unlucky circumstances and dwindling confidence. If you reach the final so often, you are definitely good enough to also win it once. Let's see how Argentina does this year in the Copa.


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 Discussion Thread
Post by: Rabi3 on June 20, 2021, 10:15:37 PM
I will stay away from this game although I believe Ecuador will win it. A very hazardous game for me that might end with a disappointment, without taking on consideration covid absentees...

I agree with you, with all due respect to these teams, their level is very low and here the result is too random to risk your money. It seems to me that more or less reliable bets will appear from the playoff stage. At the moment, it is best to follow the teams in order to understand their capabilities and wait for good matches.
i already said that i always try avoiding the first matches especially on group stages since not all matches are important, so i agree with you, group stages is like a view on what could happen in the playoffs, it's better if we keep watching and studying teams performances and then bet on the playoffs.


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 Discussion Thread
Post by: KTChampions on June 20, 2021, 11:38:41 PM
Hahahahaha
Venezuela - Ecuador 2 - 2 !!!
And the goal thanks to which Venezuela achieved a draw was scored in the second added minute.
It hurts me to imagine the emotions of those people who made a bet and failed at the last moment. As I wrote above, it is better to avoid bets on such matches, the results are too wide for adequate betting.

i already said that i always try avoiding the first matches especially on group stages since not all matches are important, so i agree with you, group stages is like a view on what could happen in the playoffs, it's better if we keep watching and studying teams performances and then bet on the playoffs.

This is the specifics of the Copa America, in the European Championship, for example, matches in groups are mostly predictable and teams rarely surprise.


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 Discussion Thread
Post by: blue Snow on June 21, 2021, 03:05:15 AM
Venezuela - Ecuador
yesterday I tried to access this site and there is indeed a problem with the domain.
I don't know what your problem here, which domain do you mean? I can't find the website you had talking about.

Ecuador has much a ball position but can't take a chance to create the goal. they can't take also the winning 1-2 and can't even handle the counterattack of Venezuela at the last minute. Ecuador deserved to win but their defense was a bit undisciplined, 2-2 in the last minutes make them regret it.


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 Discussion Thread
Post by: slaman29 on June 21, 2021, 05:11:55 AM
Two surprise results again in Copa, Peru beat their fancied opponents while Venezuela came from behind to earn a draw. Good thing haven't been betting on them just so much more unpredictable these SAmerican teams especially when can't watch them not even sure how they're playing, how to be betting:)

@ Rabi3 and KTChampions yes, I agree predictable results actually happen in group stages in EURO but this isn't always the case, varies from season to season.


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 Discussion Thread
Post by: KTChampions on June 21, 2021, 10:37:28 AM
Two surprise results again in Copa, Peru beat their fancied opponents while Venezuela came from behind to earn a draw. Good thing haven't been betting on them just so much more unpredictable these SAmerican teams especially when can't watch them not even sure how they're playing, how to be betting:)

@ Rabi3 and KTChampions yes, I agree predictable results actually happen in group stages in EURO but this isn't always the case, varies from season to season.

The randomness of the Copa America results is a historical fact, most likely due to the mentality of the Latin American teams. And in fact, this randomness is present at all stages of the tournament. If we take the last 4 championships, then two super favorites (Brazil and Argentina), which should have taken 80% of all first places, then it turns out that only one cup has been won.


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 Discussion Thread
Post by: blue Snow on June 21, 2021, 10:48:05 AM
Two surprise results again in Copa, Peru beat their fancied opponents
Peru won for the first time after got big lost versus brazil, this makes them confirmed to stay in the 3rd position. if they were still consistent, probably will crossing Columbia in the 2nd place. I hope Yerry Mina still safe and healthy, I just remember in world cup 1994 (USA) when Colombia's defender (Escobar) accidentally creates his own goal, then the gangster blindly kills him. I hope it doesn't happen again.


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 Discussion Thread
Post by: alegotardo on June 21, 2021, 11:19:00 AM
The randomness of the Copa America results is a historical fact, most likely due to the mentality of the Latin American teams. And in fact, this randomness is present at all stages of the tournament. If we take the last 4 championships, then two super favorites (Brazil and Argentina), which should have taken 80% of all first places, then it turns out that only one cup has been won.

Exactly, what you said is something frequent here... despite being Brazilian, I like to bet a lot more on European championships.
Teams with much greater potential in relation to the opponent have a very poor performance on the field, especially in the group stages.

I generally refrain from betting around here before the quarterfinals, I recommend that you do the same.


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 Discussion Thread
Post by: snipie on June 21, 2021, 05:15:33 PM
Two surprise results again in Copa, Peru beat their fancied opponents while Venezuela came from behind to earn a draw. Good thing haven't been betting on them just so much more unpredictable these SAmerican teams especially when can't watch them not even sure how they're playing, how to be betting:)

@ Rabi3 and KTChampions yes, I agree predictable results actually happen in group stages in EURO but this isn't always the case, varies from season to season.
Yeah apart from the difficulty of watching the whole game and taking a look on highlights, the randomness of the play style of some teams and the inconsistency of others made Copa America very different than EURO as mentioned by the boys!
I felt that Venezuela and Ecuador will end with disappointment, which was the case, maybe the worst scenario I would call :-\
Peru winning vs Colombia, dunno what should I say. I remember odds for Peru were above 6? Incredible!


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 Discussion Thread
Post by: Saint-loup on June 21, 2021, 11:34:14 PM
Two surprise results again in Copa, Peru beat their fancied opponents while Venezuela came from behind to earn a draw. Good thing haven't been betting on them just so much more unpredictable these SAmerican teams especially when can't watch them not even sure how they're playing, how to be betting:)

@ Rabi3 and KTChampions yes, I agree predictable results actually happen in group stages in EURO but this isn't always the case, varies from season to season.
Yeah apart from the difficulty of watching the whole game and taking a look on highlights, the randomness of the play style of some teams and the inconsistency of others made Copa America very different than EURO as mentioned by the boys!
I felt that Venezuela and Ecuador will end with disappointment, which was the case, maybe the worst scenario I would call :-\
Peru winning vs Colombia, dunno what should I say. I remember odds for Peru were above 6? Incredible!
There is no difficulty for watching them, live streams of all matches of the Copa America are available on Stake. I recommend you to try Stake to place your bets on the Copa America, there are some very interesting promotions : if the team you bet on scores in the first 15 minutes your bet is paid out as a winning bet even if your team loses at the end. Besides that odds were @5.80 precisely... when I placed my bet on Peru last week 8)


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 Discussion Thread
Post by: blue Snow on June 22, 2021, 05:49:34 AM
the result today,
Uruguay vs Chile: 1-1
Argentina vs Pataguay : 1 - 0
Suarez makes it draw in minutes 69, Vargas creates a goal in minute 27 to make him be the top score together with Romero (Paraguay). this result makes Chile be in 2nd place, it could have a chance to playing in the next round. while Argentina still playing an impressive game where Messi as the contributor team.


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 Discussion Thread
Post by: slaman29 on June 22, 2021, 06:03:19 AM
The randomness of the Copa America results is a historical fact, most likely due to the mentality of the Latin American teams. And in fact, this randomness is present at all stages of the tournament. If we take the last 4 championships, then two super favorites (Brazil and Argentina), which should have taken 80% of all first places, then it turns out that only one cup has been won.

Ah I see, I did not know about history I always thought the winners were quite predictable: Brazil mainly for the past 20 years, though Chile back to back also. And Argentina not since I can't remember when I saw on a docu but many Messi finals. But I guess with such few teams and everyone playing to their best with such huge changes and tactics, I think if more people watched they would be interested (we in Asia actually love the South American style too).

@Saint-loup It is not about finding a stream, it is difficult for me to be AWAKE to watch the games as they happen around 5am to 8am my time which is just before I go to work, so that exact time I am either in the bus or train to work or at my office and if I watch, the cameras will see me and I will get fired;)


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 Discussion Thread
Post by: onecall123 on June 22, 2021, 06:11:07 AM
the result today,
Uruguay vs Chile: 1-1
Argentina vs Pataguay : 1 - 0
Suarez makes it draw in minutes 69, Vargas creates a goal in minute 27 to make him be the top score together with Romero (Paraguay). this result makes Chile be in 2nd place, it could have a chance to playing in the next round. while Argentina still playing an impressive game where Messi as the contributor team.


Finally, Uruguay received their first point of the 2021 Copa America as match drawn between Uruguay vs Chile. Argentina playing amazing up until this point, and completing first position while Leo Messi is legitimately massive. Certainly he will outperform him in the following match and I strongly trust he wins the trophy this time.


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 Discussion Thread
Post by: Karartma1 on June 22, 2021, 08:29:36 AM
Argentina advances to the quarter-finals. The Seleccion must thank Papu Gomez for that: splendid pass of Di Maria for Papu. 147 games in the national team for Lionel Messi, who equals his friend Javier Mascherano's record. Nice profit for me thanks to this game. Probably going to put some money on Argentina winning the cup



Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 Discussion Thread
Post by: Iranus on June 22, 2021, 08:54:05 AM
the result today,
Uruguay vs Chile: 1-1
Argentina vs Pataguay : 1 - 0
Suarez makes it draw in minutes 69, Vargas creates a goal in minute 27 to make him be the top score together with Romero (Paraguay). this result makes Chile be in 2nd place, it could have a chance to playing in the next round. while Argentina still playing an impressive game where Messi as the contributor team.


Finally, Uruguay received their first point of the 2021 Copa America as match drawn between Uruguay vs Chile. Argentina playing amazing up until this point, and completing first position while Leo Messi is legitimately massive. Certainly he will outperform him in the following match and I strongly trust he wins the trophy this time.

Despite having a great squad, Uruguay are not playing well. Suarez and Cavani, both quite skilled and experienced. But they are not being able to play well in the Uruguayan team. Uruguay have scored just one goal in their last five matches. We expect better gameplay from Suarez and Cavani.


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 Discussion Thread
Post by: hahay on June 22, 2021, 09:41:43 AM
Argentina advances to the quarter-finals. The Seleccion must thank Papu Gomez for that: splendid pass of Di Maria for Papu. 147 games in the national team for Lionel Messi, who equals his friend Javier Mascherano's record. Nice profit for me thanks to this game. Probably going to put some money on Argentina winning the cup


It's good to see you are so excited about Argentina getting a trophy in this tournament, but for me personally it will still be difficult for Argentina. Indeed, Argentina has a chance to get to the final but if the opponent they will face in the final is Brazil, then I don't believe Argentina will win.


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 Discussion Thread
Post by: KTChampions on June 22, 2021, 03:27:25 PM
Argentina advances to the quarter-finals. The Seleccion must thank Papu Gomez for that: splendid pass of Di Maria for Papu. 147 games in the national team for Lionel Messi, who equals his friend Javier Mascherano's record. Nice profit for me thanks to this game. Probably going to put some money on Argentina winning the cup

Hmm ... I hope this will be a really small amount, since at the moment, despite the overall low level of the championship, the Argentine team does not look like a clear favorite. On the other hand, you can now bet with great odds. With each new round, they will only fall.


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 Discussion Thread
Post by: Maidak on June 22, 2021, 03:56:36 PM
Argentina advances to the quarter-finals. The Seleccion must thank Papu Gomez for that: splendid pass of Di Maria for Papu. 147 games in the national team for Lionel Messi, who equals his friend Javier Mascherano's record. Nice profit for me thanks to this game. Probably going to put some money on Argentina winning the cup

Hmm ... I hope this will be a really small amount, since at the moment, despite the overall low level of the championship, the Argentine team does not look like a clear favorite. On the other hand, you can now bet with great odds. With each new round, they will only fall.

I think Argentina is a favourite team. Because the only problem for the Argentine team was their defense. Their defense was very weak. Now their defense seems stable enough. They have conceded 1 in the last 3 matches against Chile. Hope they will be perform better in future matches.


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 Discussion Thread
Post by: LittleBitFunny on June 22, 2021, 04:10:56 PM
Argentina advances to the quarter-finals. The Seleccion must thank Papu Gomez for that: splendid pass of Di Maria for Papu. 147 games in the national team for Lionel Messi, who equals his friend Javier Mascherano's record. Nice profit for me thanks to this game. Probably going to put some money on Argentina winning the cup

Hmm ... I hope this will be a really small amount, since at the moment, despite the overall low level of the championship, the Argentine team does not look like a clear favorite. On the other hand, you can now bet with great odds. With each new round, they will only fall.

I think Argentina is a favourite team. Because the only problem for the Argentine team was their defense. Their defense was very weak. Now their defense seems stable enough. They have conceded 1 in the last 3 matches against Chile. Hope they will be perform better in future matches.

Although we don't like the gameplay of Argentina, we have to accept that the Argentine team is in a stable position now. They have not lost in their last 16 matches. Argentina now plays very defensive football. Because their coach Lionel Scaloni knows very well that they do not have enough experienced defenders in their squad. But now Argentina as a team is stable enough.


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 Discussion Thread
Post by: KTChampions on June 22, 2021, 05:00:44 PM
Although we don't like the gameplay of Argentina, we have to accept that the Argentine team is in a stable position now. They have not lost in their last 16 matches. Argentina now plays very defensive football. Because their coach Lionel Scaloni knows very well that they do not have enough experienced defenders in their squad. But now Argentina as a team is stable enough.

If the team relies too much on defense, then it can repeat the fate of the previous championships - to reach the penalty shootout and lose it  :) I think a repetition of these events would be tragic for Argentina and its fans. In any case, I personally consider Brazil to be the favorites in this championship.


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 Discussion Thread
Post by: BITCOIN4X on June 22, 2021, 05:41:19 PM
Argentina advances to the quarter-finals. The Seleccion must thank Papu Gomez for that: splendid pass of Di Maria for Papu. 147 games in the national team for Lionel Messi, who equals his friend Javier Mascherano's record. Nice profit for me thanks to this game. Probably going to put some money on Argentina winning the cup
It is always the hardest thing to see Argentina win the title even though they are pretty consistent in winning games. Argentina let me down in the end and that's why I'm not sure they can win the title. Maybe this will be the last time Messi is involved if they fail to win this title. Yes, good luck Argentina this year.


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 Discussion Thread
Post by: snipie on June 22, 2021, 07:33:18 PM
Argentina 1 - 0 Paraguay.
The common thing in Argentina games are the poor results, unless the game ends with a draw, then winning with 1 +/-2 goals will be the case. If we compare it to Brazil results then we are talking about +2 goals in the latest matches.
Advancing to the next round is a thing and fighting for the cup is another thing. We will see.


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 Discussion Thread
Post by: Iranus on June 23, 2021, 05:15:12 AM
Argentina 1 - 0 Paraguay.
The common thing in Argentina games are the poor results, unless the game ends with a draw, then winning with 1 +/-2 goals will be the case. If we compare it to Brazil results then we are talking about +2 goals in the latest matches.
Advancing to the next round is a thing and fighting for the cup is another thing. We will see.

Looking at Argentina's past matches, I understood that Argentina is now interested in playing defensive tactics. Since Argentina's defense is not very strong, it is better for them to follow defensive strategy. And because of the defensive play, Argentina is not able to score too many goals.


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 Discussion Thread
Post by: famososMuertos on June 23, 2021, 06:33:31 AM
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It's good to see you are so excited about Argentina getting a trophy in this tournament, but for me personally it will still be difficult for Argentina. Indeed, Argentina has a chance to get to the final but if the opponent they will face in the final is Brazil, then I don't believe Argentina will win.

You have a comment with a lot of fundamentals, without a doubt, Brazil is Brazil and being a local it becomes stronger, it always looks great, but perhaps Argentina has the best player in the world just to give Barcelona titles or win its best player award of Europe (!?) -/mmhh/-

Messi must show the world that he is really the best player in the world and this is achieved by winning titles with the selection of his country and if he is against Brazil much better because there are no doubts.

If Messi is not enough to win the Copa America this year, he will be less chance with the world cup, which he owes not only to the Argentines but to the world of football, we all want to see him world champion.



Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 Discussion Thread
Post by: slaman29 on June 23, 2021, 06:59:07 AM
Did anyone see the clip of Suarez wasting time around 86th minute? Annoyed a lot of people but it was fun to watch. Took his boot off twice to block a goal kick TWICE hehe:) And maybe wasted 15 seconds or something!

People on twitter calling him the king of shithousery. God I miss that guy at Barca:)


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 Discussion Thread
Post by: snipie on June 23, 2021, 02:22:14 PM
Did anyone see the clip of Suarez wasting time around 86th minute? Annoyed a lot of people but it was fun to watch. Took his boot off twice to block a goal kick TWICE hehe:) And maybe wasted 15 seconds or something!

People on twitter calling him the king of shithousery. God I miss that guy at Barca:)
Yeah heard about it and for those who want to see that "brand new" waste of time as called by newspaper, here is the link https://twitter.com/i/status/1407108739853914118
I liked how he moved in front of the goalkeeper who kicked the ball twice on him. Suarez is not only a biter but also an inventor :P


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 Discussion Thread
Post by: acquafredda on June 23, 2021, 02:55:37 PM
Brazil appears favored heading into this match, which Colombia could only help making a bit entertaining. Unless big changes, Brazil is going to win this game too.
Brazil has already arithmetically qualified for the quarter finals of the 47th edition of the Copa America. With a couple of victories, the Seleçao immediately made it through the next phase.


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 Discussion Thread
Post by: alegotardo on June 23, 2021, 04:51:31 PM
Brazil appears favored heading into this match, which Colombia could only help making a bit entertaining. Unless big changes, Brazil is going to win this game too.
Brazil has already arithmetically qualified for the quarter finals of the 47th edition of the Copa America. With a couple of victories, the Seleçao immediately made it through the next phase.

Colombia only needs one point to qualify, but even a draw against Brazil is difficult to achieve.
I've already noticed from the statistics that Colombia is a team that scores more goals inside the area, so corner kicks and free kicks close to the goal are what can give them more chances to get that classification to Colombia in today's match.

In any case, I'm going to bet on Brazil, either because I'm a Brazilian and because I believe it has a better team and is better able to win.


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 Discussion Thread
Post by: BITCOIN4X on June 23, 2021, 04:52:18 PM
Brazil appears favored heading into this match, which Colombia could only help making a bit entertaining. Unless big changes, Brazil is going to win this game too.
Brazil has already arithmetically qualified for the quarter finals of the 47th edition of the Copa America. With a couple of victories, the Seleçao immediately made it through the next phase.
I have no doubts about Brazil because they are far superior to Colombia and Ecuador. Brazil will certainly qualify for the next round if they lose one of these two match. But I believe Brazil will win both match.

Meanwhile, Argentina still leads the group standings after winning 2 and drawing 1. The next two match may be easy to guess who the winner will be. Argentina will still be seeded for a while. I want to enjoy them playing in the quarter-finals before convincing myself to see them reach the final.


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 Discussion Thread
Post by: DU18 on June 23, 2021, 05:13:52 PM
Brazil appears favored heading into this match, which Colombia could only help making a bit entertaining. Unless big changes, Brazil is going to win this game too.
Brazil has already arithmetically qualified for the quarter finals of the 47th edition of the Copa America. With a couple of victories, the Seleçao immediately made it through the next phase.
I have no doubts about Brazil because they are far superior to Colombia and Ecuador. Brazil will certainly qualify for the next round if they lose one of these two match. But I believe Brazil will win both match.
 

Brazil currently leads the Group B standings with 6 points, and if we look at the match statistics, head to head scores, to the composition of players, the Brazilian national team has better quality than Colombia, in the next match of course Brazil will play all out to win and make sure to be the winner of Group B. From the two matches that have taken place, Brazil has scored a total of seven goals and has not conceded a goal and I think this year's Brazil squad has a fairly even composition both in their attacking, central and defense positions.
Seeing the head to head meetings between the two teams so far, I really believe that Brazil is able to beat Colombia with a landslide score 5-0.


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 Discussion Thread
Post by: mv1986 on June 23, 2021, 08:46:39 PM
Argentina 1 - 0 Paraguay.
The common thing in Argentina games are the poor results, unless the game ends with a draw, then winning with 1 +/-2 goals will be the case. If we compare it to Brazil results then we are talking about +2 goals in the latest matches.
Advancing to the next round is a thing and fighting for the cup is another thing. We will see.

This win was vital and most likely secures Argentina the place in the final round. I don't know how the final round works in the Copa America, but it would be nice to have a final that takes place between Brazil and Argentina. Messi versus Neymar.

Most likely Brazil would be a favorite in that game, but in a single match final we all know that everything is possible.


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 Discussion Thread
Post by: snipie on June 23, 2021, 10:53:05 PM
It is really funny to see all games played today ended with at least 4 goals from EURO to Copa America: Ecuador 2 - 2 Peru, with only few minutes left. Next Brazil - Colombia, wonder know if there will many goals too :P


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 Discussion Thread
Post by: slaman29 on June 24, 2021, 06:59:10 AM
Did anyone see the clip of Suarez wasting time around 86th minute? Annoyed a lot of people but it was fun to watch. Took his boot off twice to block a goal kick TWICE hehe:) And maybe wasted 15 seconds or something!

People on twitter calling him the king of shithousery. God I miss that guy at Barca:)
Yeah heard about it and for those who want to see that "brand new" waste of time as called by newspaper, here is the link https://twitter.com/i/status/1407108739853914118
I liked how he moved in front of the goalkeeper who kicked the ball twice on him. Suarez is not only a biter but also an inventor :P

This is exactly the sort of character we (Barca) have been missing in our ranks. Everyone remembers Suarez/Messi/Neymar as the best strike partnership in the world and it wasn't just because of talent but also because of that kind of inventiveness from Luis Suarez. Hate him or love him, when you have that kind of crazy mentality on your team, you are inspired.


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 Discussion Thread
Post by: blue Snow on June 24, 2021, 07:18:50 AM
Next Brazil - Colombia, wonder know if there will many goals too :P
5 minutes of dramas and 2-1 only, no many goals creates. that too, Columbia create goal first in minute 10 by Diaz. but in the second round (78') Firmino makes it draw. then in injured time, brazil creates another goal and winning the game. Brazil creates perfect never lost in 3 games and can be confirmed they will go to the next get to the quarter-finals.


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 Discussion Thread
Post by: Karartma1 on June 24, 2021, 08:25:22 AM
Bolivia has few good players. Coronavirus infections have further reduced the options available to Farias, whose team will try to play cautiously and will probably only be able to try to limit the damage, as already happened in the match against Chile. Accustomed to displaying grit, character and a very good tactical organization, Uruguay will presumably be able to take advantage of an easy round and file away the uninspiring results collected so far in this Copa America. This is a 3-0 to me.



Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 Discussion Thread
Post by: Slow death on June 24, 2021, 08:26:48 AM
Ecuador 2 - 2 Peru

Ecuador could have won the game, too bad

Brazil 2 - 1 Colombia

it was a result that left me surprised, I thought that Brazil would score a lot of goals in this game


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 Discussion Thread
Post by: KTChampions on June 24, 2021, 10:23:01 AM
It is really funny to see all games played today ended with at least 4 goals from EURO to Copa America: Ecuador 2 - 2 Peru, with only few minutes left. Next Brazil - Colombia, wonder know if there will many goals too :P

Imagine if someone, for fun, made a multi-bet on the result of the last 4 matches (2 from the European Championship and 2 from America's cop) to the score 2-2. And lost because of the result of the match Brazil - Colombia  ;D That would be a loss of winnings by odds of a thousand or more)


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 Discussion Thread
Post by: barota on June 24, 2021, 11:39:02 AM
Colombia opened the scoring in the 10th minute , the winning goal in the 100th minute , The extra time was going to 120 minutes this is absolutely illegal   , i dont know if this is overtime of two 15 minute for each overtime or not ,  personally i think the goal is not legit , It may be that I am misinterpreting the Norm or the Norm is poorly written .... The bathroom touches the referee and a promising attack begins that ends in a goal that should have been annulled and brought the ball to the ground in favor of Brazil


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 Discussion Thread
Post by: DU18 on June 24, 2021, 12:30:24 PM
Ecuador 2 - 2 Peru

Ecuador could have won the game, too bad

Brazil 2 - 1 Colombia

it was a result that left me surprised, I thought that Brazil would score a lot of goals in this game

In that match, Ecuador actually dominated the match and was able to release a lot of shots with 6 of them on goal, with this result Ecuador was again stuck in 4th place in Group B with 2 points from three matches, while Peru is in 3rd place in the standings with 4 points.


I also didn't think that Brazil would have a very difficult time facing Colombia in that match, and even I think Brazil could have draw that match but the controversial goal created by Firmino changed everything ;D.

And to be honest, I think the referee should have dropped the ball in that match regardless of the Brazil ball, because when Neymar fired a shot and if the ball didn't hit the referee, we could see the direction of the ball going to the Colombia player at that time.

However, despite the controversy over the goal, now Brazil has confirmed itself as the champion of Grub B and has made it through to the 2021 Copa America quarter-finals with 9 points from 3 match.


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 Discussion Thread
Post by: Swordsoffreedom on June 24, 2021, 02:34:33 PM
In that match, Ecuador actually dominated the match and was able to release a lot of shots with 6 of them on goal, with this result Ecuador was again stuck in 4th place in Group B with 2 points from three matches, while Peru is in 3rd place in the standings with 4 points.


I also didn't think that Brazil would have a very difficult time facing Colombia in that match, and even I think Brazil could have draw that match but the controversial goal created by Firmino changed everything ;D.

And to be honest, I think the referee should have dropped the ball in that match regardless of the Brazil ball, because when Neymar fired a shot and if the ball didn't hit the referee, we could see the direction of the ball going to the Colombia player at that time.

However, despite the controversy over the goal, now Brazil has confirmed itself as the champion of Grub B and has made it through to the 2021 Copa America quarter-finals with 9 points from 3 match.

I think the referee was biased in this match. Maybe no one will agree with me. But I have my doubts about whether Brazil's first goal was really a goal?! Moreover, Brazil scored the second goal in 90 + 10 minutes. I have seen very few matches to give 10 minutes extra time. Although Colombia has been defeated. But their first goal was really outstanding. This is one of the best goals of the Copa America this season.


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 Discussion Thread
Post by: acquafredda on June 24, 2021, 02:50:16 PM
Brazil appears favored heading into this match, which Colombia could only help making a bit entertaining. Unless big changes, Brazil is going to win this game too.
Brazil has already arithmetically qualified for the quarter finals of the 47th edition of the Copa America. With a couple of victories, the Seleçao immediately made it through the next phase.

Colombia only needs one point to qualify, but even a draw against Brazil is difficult to achieve.
I've already noticed from the statistics that Colombia is a team that scores more goals inside the area, so corner kicks and free kicks close to the goal are what can give them more chances to get that classification to Colombia in today's match.

In any case, I'm going to bet on Brazil, either because I'm a Brazilian and because I believe it has a better team and is better able to win.
Pretty bad what happened to Colombia today: first to score and to lead the game for 78' and then losing at 90'+10'... That is really bad. I admit that Brazil governed the whole game but 10' extra time is a bit too much if you ask me. Colombia's morale has been hit but they should be able to get to the quarter finals.


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 Discussion Thread
Post by: BITCOIN4X on June 24, 2021, 03:02:49 PM
Seeing the head to head meetings between the two teams so far, I really believe that Brazil is able to beat Colombia with a landslide score 5-0.
In fact, Brazil was quite difficult to win the match and Brazil could only reply in the 78th minute. Maybe Brazil will draw if the extra time does not reach 10 minute. I didn't get to watch the match but I want to know why the referee gave so much extra time in the game, was there an incident?
But because of this victory, Brazil will still lead the standings with a total of 9 point from three wins. Brazil have definitely qualified for the quarter-final, but they have to finish 5/5 group stage match against Ecuador.


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 Discussion Thread
Post by: onecall123 on June 24, 2021, 03:19:17 PM
Seeing the head to head meetings between the two teams so far, I really believe that Brazil is able to beat Colombia with a landslide score 5-0.
In fact, Brazil was quite difficult to win the match and Brazil could only reply in the 78th minute. Maybe Brazil will draw if the extra time does not reach 10 minute. I didn't get to watch the match but I want to know why the referee gave so much extra time in the game, was there an incident?
But because of this victory, Brazil will still lead the standings with a total of 9 point from three wins. Brazil have definitely qualified for the quarter-final, but they have to finish 5/5 group stage match against Ecuador.
Colombia deserved to win or draw. Therefore, I can't believe how Brazil is winning the match against Colombia. Extra 10 minute proved as massive, the referee gifted this win to Brazil and this decisions were too controversial. But, At the same time credit to the Brazilian team for not giving up. Congrats to Brazil on the winning streak.


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 Discussion Thread
Post by: Zilon on June 24, 2021, 03:23:15 PM
Football ball comes with shocking surprises I wasn't expecting the 90'+10' minutes win for brazil. Columbia actually dominated the game for 78' minutes only to loose out at the end of the match. This was a late goal win and can actually be so painful having dominated the match from the first half until the 78' minute. For Peru I'm really short of words


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 Discussion Thread
Post by: hahay on June 24, 2021, 04:03:50 PM
Football ball comes with shocking surprises I wasn't expecting the 90'+10' minutes win for brazil. Columbia actually dominated the game for 78' minutes only to loose out at the end of the match. This was a late goal win and can actually be so painful having dominated the match from the first half until the 78' minute. For Peru I'm really short of words
How can the extra time be up to 10 minutes, was there something that made the match get a long pause because maybe there was an incident or whatever? If the game goes on normally then this isn't the right extra time to give, and if it's not for the right reasons I doubt the game goes clean. But despite all that, I admit that this tournament has become difficult to predict and I only found out if Brazil's victory came from added time which I think is a question.


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 Discussion Thread
Post by: snipie on June 24, 2021, 04:57:37 PM
How can the extra time be up to 10 minutes, was there something that made the match get a long pause because maybe there was an incident or whatever? If the game goes on normally then this isn't the right extra time to give, and if it's not for the right reasons I doubt the game goes clean. But despite all that, I admit that this tournament has become difficult to predict and I only found out if Brazil's victory came from added time which I think is a question.
Well, seeing the highlights, I saw the game stopped several times because of fouls and Brazil's first goal controversy whether it should be allowed or not since the ball touched the referee just seconds before Firmino scored. I don't know if all of this could explain the additional 13 minutes?
Personally I liked Colombia goal by Diaz, awesome bicycle

-snip-
Imagine if someone, for fun, made a multi-bet on the result of the last 4 matches (2 from the European Championship and 2 from America's cop) to the score 2-2. And lost because of the result of the match Brazil - Colombia  ;D That would be a loss of winnings by odds of a thousand or more)
lol gonna hate Colombia forever ;D


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 Discussion Thread
Post by: famososMuertos on June 24, 2021, 05:38:02 PM
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Well, there were 3 but with the added drama, passion and tears.

...//...:

The action of the goal was legitimate, everything was within the rules of the game. When the ball hits the referee and is again in possession of Brazil, the play must continue, the confusion comes with the referee's doubt who should never hesitate, because he had applied the rule well.


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 Discussion Thread
Post by: mv1986 on June 24, 2021, 06:48:21 PM
Ecuador 2 - 2 Peru

Ecuador could have won the game, too bad

Brazil 2 - 1 Colombia

it was a result that left me surprised, I thought that Brazil would score a lot of goals in this game

In that match, Ecuador actually dominated the match and was able to release a lot of shots with 6 of them on goal, with this result Ecuador was again stuck in 4th place in Group B with 2 points from three matches, while Peru is in 3rd place in the standings with 4 points.


I also didn't think that Brazil would have a very difficult time facing Colombia in that match, and even I think Brazil could have draw that match but the controversial goal created by Firmino changed everything ;D.

And to be honest, I think the referee should have dropped the ball in that match regardless of the Brazil ball, because when Neymar fired a shot and if the ball didn't hit the referee, we could see the direction of the ball going to the Colombia player at that time.

However, despite the controversy over the goal, now Brazil has confirmed itself as the champion of Grub B and has made it through to the 2021 Copa America quarter-finals with 9 points from 3 match.

Now that everybody is talking about Firmino's goal I watched it on Youtube. I am not quite sure what the issue is about that goal. Do you mean because Neymar first hit the referee? As per the rules everything is ok. I am not sure if I might be mistaken here but as far as I know the referee only has to pause the game if the ball changes possession, isn't it that way?
Of course the goal might not have been scored otherwise and it seems to be unfair, but I think it is all in accordance with the rules.


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 Discussion Thread
Post by: nikrobi on June 24, 2021, 08:52:29 PM
Ecuador 2 - 2 Peru

Ecuador could have won the game, too bad

Brazil 2 - 1 Colombia

it was a result that left me surprised, I thought that Brazil would score a lot of goals in this game

Actually there's a well balanced kind of tactical pattern among the teams. Matches full of goals happen from time to time unpredictably or as exceptions. I thought on the same way of you that Brazil would annihilate Colombia due to its tradition in the old times when nation players didn't interact with others not giving or transmitting their knowledge. It was a form to keep a self playing style for each scuderia but at the same time didn't help the development of such sport. Today, a cup is almost the same of a regional brazillian championship, cause the soccer stars that Brazil creates, uses, prepares and exports are the same who actuate internationally!


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 Discussion Thread
Post by: KTChampions on June 24, 2021, 09:48:10 PM
As I understand it, if Bolivia loses today, it will leave the tournament. And this team is already very close to that.
In general, it is quite difficult to take matches in the group stage seriously, given the fact that only one team is eliminated  ;D
This has certain advantages (any weak team has a chance), but there are many more disadvantages.


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 Discussion Thread
Post by: Joca97 on June 24, 2021, 11:06:23 PM
As I understand it, if Bolivia loses today, it will leave the tournament. And this team is already very close to that.
In general, it is quite difficult to take matches in the group stage seriously, given the fact that only one team is eliminated  ;D
This has certain advantages (any weak team has a chance), but there are many more disadvantages.
Bolivia didnt stand a chance today. Urugvay won 2-0 but it should have been 7-0. That miss in the 95th minut by Urugvay players is something that i didnt see in all my years of football when watching the match live. The guy missed an empty goal and this is on a national level


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 Discussion Thread
Post by: Swordsoffreedom on June 25, 2021, 04:15:28 AM
As I understand it, if Bolivia loses today, it will leave the tournament. And this team is already very close to that.
In general, it is quite difficult to take matches in the group stage seriously, given the fact that only one team is eliminated  ;D
This has certain advantages (any weak team has a chance), but there are many more disadvantages.
Bolivia didnt stand a chance today. Urugvay won 2-0 but it should have been 7-0. That miss in the 95th minut by Urugvay players is something that i didnt see in all my years of football when watching the match live. The guy missed an empty goal and this is on a national level

Uruguay beat Bolivia 2-0. And this is the expected result. However, the number of goals Uruguay had in yesterday's match should have been at least 4-0 to win the match. But their players could not score. However, they needed to win, they won, they are happy.


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 Discussion Thread
Post by: slaman29 on June 25, 2021, 08:43:38 AM
Bolivia didnt stand a chance today. Urugvay won 2-0 but it should have been 7-0. That miss in the 95th minut by Urugvay players is something that i didnt see in all my years of football when watching the match live. The guy missed an empty goal and this is on a national level

It makes me wonder a lot about this level of football sometimes and what it really takes to be a world-class player. Of course everyone has a horrid miss every now and then but that is what sets people apart from the very good to the out-of-this-world. Nerves of steel and whatever.

But Uruguay has to end their journey at the next stage the way they play. 2-0 but against a team that they should have scored many more, as you say.


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 Discussion Thread
Post by: KTChampions on June 25, 2021, 11:01:25 AM
As I understand it, if Bolivia loses today, it will leave the tournament. And this team is already very close to that.
In general, it is quite difficult to take matches in the group stage seriously, given the fact that only one team is eliminated  ;D
This has certain advantages (any weak team has a chance), but there are many more disadvantages.
Bolivia didnt stand a chance today. Urugvay won 2-0 but it should have been 7-0. That miss in the 95th minut by Urugvay players is something that i didnt see in all my years of football when watching the match live. The guy missed an empty goal and this is on a national level

Yes, the whole game was with a clear Uruguay advantage as expected. And that's good, I'm tired of boring games and incomprehensible results when a clear favorite cannot beat an outsider. But speaking of the odds, I meant the theoretical possibility for Bolivia to reach the playoffs if they win.


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 Discussion Thread
Post by: Iranus on June 25, 2021, 01:33:04 PM
As I understand it, if Bolivia loses today, it will leave the tournament. And this team is already very close to that.
In general, it is quite difficult to take matches in the group stage seriously, given the fact that only one team is eliminated  ;D
This has certain advantages (any weak team has a chance), but there are many more disadvantages.
Bolivia didnt stand a chance today. Urugvay won 2-0 but it should have been 7-0. That miss in the 95th minut by Urugvay players is something that i didnt see in all my years of football when watching the match live. The guy missed an empty goal and this is on a national level

Yes, the whole game was with a clear Uruguay advantage as expected. And that's good, I'm tired of boring games and incomprehensible results when a clear favorite cannot beat an outsider. But speaking of the odds, I meant the theoretical possibility for Bolivia to reach the playoffs if they win.

Uruguay is one of the favorite teams in Copa America. They have a strong squad. But they are failing. They have won only one of the three matches. In the next match they will face Paraguay. Paraguay is a stable team. I doubt if Uruguay can win against them.


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 Discussion Thread
Post by: barota on June 25, 2021, 03:16:44 PM
Chile fell against Paraguay on the night of Thursday to Friday (0-2) the first goal was scored by samudio braian at 33 minute , the second goal was scored by m almiron at 58 minute for paraguay always With this success, chile surprised by Paraguay and paraguay took the opportunity to take second place in Group A behind the Argentina i think paraguay have good team and and they they can do best matchs in copa america 2021 always , the next match agnaist uruguay tuesday 29 june and will be very dificult for paraguay for sure


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 Discussion Thread
Post by: KTChampions on June 25, 2021, 04:03:26 PM
Yes, the whole game was with a clear Uruguay advantage as expected. And that's good, I'm tired of boring games and incomprehensible results when a clear favorite cannot beat an outsider. But speaking of the odds, I meant the theoretical possibility for Bolivia to reach the playoffs if they win.

Uruguay is one of the favorite teams in Copa America. They have a strong squad. But they are failing. They have won only one of the three matches. In the next match they will face Paraguay. Paraguay is a stable team. I doubt if Uruguay can win against them.

I don't think the outcome of this match will make any difference. This is just the group stage. Perhaps it makes sense to save energy here in order to be as prepared as possible in the first playoff match. Although it is possible that the victory for Uruguay will be needed in order to leave the penultimate place in the group and avoid a meeting with Brazil in the 1/8 finals.


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 Discussion Thread
Post by: Rabi3 on June 25, 2021, 11:58:31 PM
Uruguay is one of the favorite teams in Copa America. They have a strong squad. But they are failing. They have won only one of the three matches. In the next match they will face Paraguay. Paraguay is a stable team. I doubt if Uruguay can win against them.
i believe Uruguay can win as well, i don't think Paraguay can make another surprise against Uruguay right after beating Chile 2-0, and of course Uruguay has the players that can do anything at anytime, it would be an entertaining match to watch, and maybe bet live.


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 Discussion Thread
Post by: Joca97 on June 26, 2021, 01:18:12 AM
As I understand it, if Bolivia loses today, it will leave the tournament. And this team is already very close to that.
In general, it is quite difficult to take matches in the group stage seriously, given the fact that only one team is eliminated  ;D
This has certain advantages (any weak team has a chance), but there are many more disadvantages.
Bolivia didnt stand a chance today. Urugvay won 2-0 but it should have been 7-0. That miss in the 95th minut by Urugvay players is something that i didnt see in all my years of football when watching the match live. The guy missed an empty goal and this is on a national level

Yes, the whole game was with a clear Uruguay advantage as expected. And that's good, I'm tired of boring games and incomprehensible results when a clear favorite cannot beat an outsider. But speaking of the odds, I meant the theoretical possibility for Bolivia to reach the playoffs if they win.

Uruguay is one of the favorite teams in Copa America. They have a strong squad. But they are failing. They have won only one of the three matches. In the next match they will face Paraguay. Paraguay is a stable team. I doubt if Uruguay can win against them.
With how the Uruguay is currently playing i dont think they wont make it far in this Copa America.Biggest favorites are Brazil and Argentina.Uruguvay if they pass 1 team in the knockout faze it will be a big achivement with how they are currently playing.With powerfull strikers such as Cavani and Suarez they should have been dominating the weaker teams.Cavani bearly scored after missing so many many chances


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 Discussion Thread
Post by: Swordsoffreedom on June 26, 2021, 02:46:18 PM
As I understand it, if Bolivia loses today, it will leave the tournament. And this team is already very close to that.
In general, it is quite difficult to take matches in the group stage seriously, given the fact that only one team is eliminated  ;D
This has certain advantages (any weak team has a chance), but there are many more disadvantages.
Bolivia didnt stand a chance today. Urugvay won 2-0 but it should have been 7-0. That miss in the 95th minut by Urugvay players is something that i didnt see in all my years of football when watching the match live. The guy missed an empty goal and this is on a national level
Yes, the whole game was with a clear Uruguay advantage as expected. And that's good, I'm tired of boring games and incomprehensible results when a clear favorite cannot beat an outsider. But speaking of the odds, I meant the theoretical possibility for Bolivia to reach the playoffs if they win.
Uruguay is one of the favorite teams in Copa America. They have a strong squad. But they are failing. They have won only one of the three matches. In the next match they will face Paraguay. Paraguay is a stable team. I doubt if Uruguay can win against them.
With how the Uruguay is currently playing i dont think they wont make it far in this Copa America.Biggest favorites are Brazil and Argentina.Uruguvay if they pass 1 team in the knockout faze it will be a big achivement with how they are currently playing.With powerfull strikers such as Cavani and Suarez they should have been dominating the weaker teams.Cavani bearly scored after missing so many many chances

The Uruguayan team is good, but they failed to perform as expected in the Copa America. Uruguay's main strikers Cavani and Suarez. Both are not performing as expected. Although they have done well in club matches, they are not doing well in the national team now. Still, I would say Uruguay is a good team. They still have enough time to solve the internal problems of the team. Hopefully they will win the last match against Paraguay.


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 Discussion Thread
Post by: nikrobi on June 26, 2021, 03:18:31 PM
Who will be the Champion?

One more fantastic sport event which gathers the best Americas's soccer players. Unfortunately fans are not allowed in the stadiums cause we already know why. But this does not remove the glamour and the excitement of the event. This kind of ambient may be positive for the concentration e for development of the teams, if they know how to use it in their favor, of course!

And which one will touch and hold the trophy? According to the favorites candidates Brazil is the team which has the best chances due to its 100% technical achievement by now.

Therefore, I would bet on this favorite many times champion cause besides to be at home the team gather a great soccer cast that play in and out Brazil!

But, anyway, be winner the best!


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 Discussion Thread
Post by: slaman29 on June 26, 2021, 04:15:49 PM
Uruguay is one of the favorite teams in Copa America. They have a strong squad. But they are failing. They have won only one of the three matches. In the next match they will face Paraguay. Paraguay is a stable team. I doubt if Uruguay can win against them.
i believe Uruguay can win as well, i don't think Paraguay can make another surprise against Uruguay right after beating Chile 2-0, and of course Uruguay has the players that can do anything at anytime, it would be an entertaining match to watch, and maybe bet live.

I think they are among the favorites but not since many years they have been HEAVY ones like Argentina and Brazil.

I feel like these big teams rely too much on the stars playing in the Europe Big 6 so this is one of the problems. People forget Cavani and Suarez are already on the final years of their golden generation.

Don't rule Paraguay out though.


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 Discussion Thread
Post by: acquafredda on June 26, 2021, 04:29:48 PM
Even against the reserves of Brazil, already qualified as first, Ecuador will find it difficult to get a positive result. The total goals could be at least three because I thinkg Ecuador will most likely adopt an ultra-defensive attitude to try to stop the Brazilian maneuver. Alfaro will insert five defenders, one of which will be Arreaga, positioned in the center between Hincapie and Arboleda. In attack, Ayrton Preciado, in goal in the Tricolor's last two games, will again play as a pair with Campana.


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 Discussion Thread
Post by: famososMuertos on June 26, 2021, 05:26:53 PM
Who will be the Champion?

...//...:

It is a tournament that is always full of teams with great possibilities, Brazil as always is a great favorite but even teams with less chance like Chile and Uruguay must always be taken into account.

Colombia as always is a pandora's box ...

My bet is Argentina, soccer owes Messi a champion trophy with his selection and Argentina has a great chance in the American Cup, this and the next World Cup are Messi's last chances. It would be a shame if the best player in the world did not win anything with his selection.




Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 Discussion Thread
Post by: hahay on June 26, 2021, 05:40:24 PM
Even against the reserves of Brazil, already qualified as first, Ecuador will find it difficult to get a positive result. The total goals could be at least three because I thinkg Ecuador will most likely adopt an ultra-defensive attitude to try to stop the Brazilian maneuver. Alfaro will insert five defenders, one of which will be Arreaga, positioned in the center between Hincapie and Arboleda. In attack, Ayrton Preciado, in goal in the Tricolor's last two games, will again play as a pair with Campana.
If Brazil plays second tier players then it is a good chance for Ecuador to target a draw, because if Venezuela loses by Peru then it will be enough for Ecuador to advance to the next phase. But I'm not sure Brazil will play second-tier players in total, because at least Neymar will certainly remain in the starting XI to keep his position on the top scorer list. So yes, Brazil will still win I'm sure.


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 Discussion Thread
Post by: blue Snow on June 27, 2021, 09:51:15 AM
the standings out;

Group A
https://i.postimg.cc/cLSpnLSn/a.jpg

Group B
https://i.postimg.cc/0y0Ld1kH/b.jpg

The team who be in the 5th stand wouldn't be going to the next round (knockout phase), Brazil certainly the winning group at the 1st stage who will be going to the knockout phase without problem, Brazil with a perfect point, no one team can defeat brazil in the first stand. while Argentina's position still has a chance can defeat by Paraguay when lose/draw vs Bolivia and Paraguay get the winning versus Uruguay on Tuesday match.

Here's the graph for the knockout phase

https://i.postimg.cc/wBJRb2rP/braq.jpg


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 Discussion Thread
Post by: snipie on June 27, 2021, 11:54:41 AM
Even against the reserves of Brazil, already qualified as first, Ecuador will find it difficult to get a positive result. The total goals could be at least three because I thinkg Ecuador will most likely adopt an ultra-defensive attitude to try to stop the Brazilian maneuver. Alfaro will insert five defenders, one of which will be Arreaga, positioned in the center between Hincapie and Arboleda. In attack, Ayrton Preciado, in goal in the Tricolor's last two games, will again play as a pair with Campana.
If Brazil plays second tier players then it is a good chance for Ecuador to target a draw, because if Venezuela loses by Peru then it will be enough for Ecuador to advance to the next phase. But I'm not sure Brazil will play second-tier players in total, because at least Neymar will certainly remain in the starting XI to keep his position on the top scorer list. So yes, Brazil will still win I'm sure.
I doubt Brazil will lose points against Ecuador although this game means nothing for them. They will try to rotate the squad and give opportunity to players that played less time, yet this is enough for them to to win comfortably even if Ecuador plays 100% defensively.
Ecuador has to wait for Venezuela result, a draw against Peru is possible and beneficial for both of them since Venezuela will survive and Peru will hold the second spot.


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 Discussion Thread
Post by: Karartma1 on June 27, 2021, 12:33:36 PM
Even against the reserves of Brazil, already qualified as first, Ecuador will find it difficult to get a positive result. The total goals could be at least three because I thinkg Ecuador will most likely adopt an ultra-defensive attitude to try to stop the Brazilian maneuver. Alfaro will insert five defenders, one of which will be Arreaga, positioned in the center between Hincapie and Arboleda. In attack, Ayrton Preciado, in goal in the Tricolor's last two games, will again play as a pair with Campana.
If Brazil plays second tier players then it is a good chance for Ecuador to target a draw, because if Venezuela loses by Peru then it will be enough for Ecuador to advance to the next phase. But I'm not sure Brazil will play second-tier players in total, because at least Neymar will certainly remain in the starting XI to keep his position on the top scorer list. So yes, Brazil will still win I'm sure.
I doubt Brazil will lose points against Ecuador although this game means nothing for them. They will try to rotate the squad and give opportunity to players that played less time, yet this is enough for them to to win comfortably even if Ecuador plays 100% defensively.
Ecuador has to wait for Venezuela result, a draw against Peru is possible and beneficial for both of them since Venezuela will survive and Peru will hold the second spot.
There's no way this Ecuador can even have a chance against Brazil, they're going to lose for sure.
Peru should be able to avoid defeat in a match with at least one goal on each side. A draw, that would benefit both sides, seems like the possible game outcome.
Venezuela will lack the absent Martinez, Villanueva and Rosales, stopped by coronavirus. Aristeguieta will again lead the attack, while the five-man defense, led by Velazquez, will almost certainly be confirmed.
Substantially unchanged also the eleven of Peru, with Lapadula confirmed at the center of the attack. Behind him, a trio of offensive players made up of Cueva, Pena and Carrillo. The four-man defensive line, on the other hand, will feature Corzo, Ramos, Callens and Trauco.


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 Discussion Thread
Post by: Iranus on June 27, 2021, 02:39:04 PM
Even against the reserves of Brazil, already qualified as first, Ecuador will find it difficult to get a positive result. The total goals could be at least three because I thinkg Ecuador will most likely adopt an ultra-defensive attitude to try to stop the Brazilian maneuver. Alfaro will insert five defenders, one of which will be Arreaga, positioned in the center between Hincapie and Arboleda. In attack, Ayrton Preciado, in goal in the Tricolor's last two games, will again play as a pair with Campana.
If Brazil plays second tier players then it is a good chance for Ecuador to target a draw, because if Venezuela loses by Peru then it will be enough for Ecuador to advance to the next phase. But I'm not sure Brazil will play second-tier players in total, because at least Neymar will certainly remain in the starting XI to keep his position on the top scorer list. So yes, Brazil will still win I'm sure.
I doubt Brazil will lose points against Ecuador although this game means nothing for them. They will try to rotate the squad and give opportunity to players that played less time, yet this is enough for them to to win comfortably even if Ecuador plays 100% defensively.
Ecuador has to wait for Venezuela result, a draw against Peru is possible and beneficial for both of them since Venezuela will survive and Peru will hold the second spot.

Ecuador is not a strong team. I don't think Brazil will want to lower their self-esteem by losing to such a team. Brazil have won all their matches. They will definitely want to win against Ecuador and will be the group champion. My guess is that Brazil will win 2-0.


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 Discussion Thread
Post by: Maidak on June 27, 2021, 05:41:48 PM
Even against the reserves of Brazil, already qualified as first, Ecuador will find it difficult to get a positive result. The total goals could be at least three because I thinkg Ecuador will most likely adopt an ultra-defensive attitude to try to stop the Brazilian maneuver. Alfaro will insert five defenders, one of which will be Arreaga, positioned in the center between Hincapie and Arboleda. In attack, Ayrton Preciado, in goal in the Tricolor's last two games, will again play as a pair with Campana.
If Brazil plays second tier players then it is a good chance for Ecuador to target a draw, because if Venezuela loses by Peru then it will be enough for Ecuador to advance to the next phase. But I'm not sure Brazil will play second-tier players in total, because at least Neymar will certainly remain in the starting XI to keep his position on the top scorer list. So yes, Brazil will still win I'm sure.
I doubt Brazil will lose points against Ecuador although this game means nothing for them. They will try to rotate the squad and give opportunity to players that played less time, yet this is enough for them to to win comfortably even if Ecuador plays 100% defensively.
Ecuador has to wait for Venezuela result, a draw against Peru is possible and beneficial for both of them since Venezuela will survive and Peru will hold the second spot.

Ecuador is not a strong team. I don't think Brazil will want to lower their self-esteem by losing to such a team. Brazil have won all their matches. They will definitely want to win against Ecuador and will be the group champion. My guess is that Brazil will win 2-0.

Ecuador has not won a single match in this Copa America. They have drawn 2 matches and lost one match. . Brazil will never want to lose to such a team. Moreover, Neymar will want to score in this field. Because Ecuador's defense is not strong. I wish for Brazil's victory.


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 Discussion Thread
Post by: acquafredda on June 27, 2021, 06:07:11 PM
Brazil wants its tenth Copa America and is proving it with results. Tite's selection, after the problems and discussions that have created a very hot climate on the eve of the tournament, has collected three wins in three games and has already secured the pass for the quarter-finals of the event for the longest national team in the world despite there is still a match of the 'Norte group' to play: the Seleçao faces in the last round of the first phase Ecuador, which could qualify hoping that Venezuela does not beat Peru and making a positive result against Neymar & co.
Brazil is going to win this game too as said previously and it does not look like a safe bet, given the replacements will play.


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 Discussion Thread
Post by: BitcoinHunt3r on June 27, 2021, 08:44:24 PM
Brazil wants its tenth Copa America and is proving it with results. Tite's selection, after the problems and discussions that have created a very hot climate on the eve of the tournament, has collected three wins in three games and has already secured the pass for the quarter-finals of the event for the longest national team in the world despite there is still a match of the 'Norte group' to play: the Seleçao faces in the last round of the first phase Ecuador, which could qualify hoping that Venezuela does not beat Peru and making a positive result against Neymar & co.
Brazil is going to win this game too as said previously and it does not look like a safe bet, given the replacements will play.

Brazil and Argentina are teams that have always dominated the Copa America then don't be surprised if one of them becomes the champion
In group A I saw Paraguay playing aggressively they are the same as Denmark in the Euro cup, the potential for surprise is on them.


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 Discussion Thread
Post by: Rabi3 on June 27, 2021, 11:06:11 PM
Brazil failed to win, they played really bad in the second half, they had only one chance from vinicius jr but he missed a quite easy goal, he couldn't reach the ball well to control the shot, but besides that, they did nothing, Neymar showed again how important he is for brazil without even playing, the efficacy to score was missing.


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 Discussion Thread
Post by: uneng on June 28, 2021, 01:47:16 AM
Brazil failed to win, they played really bad in the second half, they had only one chance from vinicius jr but he missed a quite easy goal, he couldn't reach the ball well to control the shot, but besides that, they did nothing, Neymar showed again how important he is for brazil without even playing, the efficacy to score was missing.
It was just an experience for Brazil to play without Neymar since they were already guaranteed for the next stage of the competition. Anyway it was a failed experience because once again Brazil just proved how much they need Neymar to stay competitive in any games. Without him they are just a common team without much expression. Although it's very good to have a player like Neymar, it's also a big issue for brazilian team to have to count with only one player to win.

Some other countries have inferior players and despite all difficulties they compose a balanced team, not having any idols and still being at same level of idolized Messi and Neymar's teams, Argentina and Brazil.


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 Discussion Thread
Post by: blue Snow on June 28, 2021, 04:16:22 AM
Brazil failed to win, they played really bad in the second half, they had only one chance from vinicius jr but he missed a quite easy goal, he couldn't reach the ball well to control the shot, but besides that, they did nothing, Neymar showed again how important he is for brazil without even playing, the efficacy to score was missing.
Brazil has already qualified because of that they playing not so insistent. even if it's a draw brazil still on top and continues to advance to the next round. B group match has played all, in this situation, we got surprise Venezuela back to home first. Ecuador, which is expected to be knocked out, advances to the next round.


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 Discussion Thread
Post by: slaman29 on June 28, 2021, 05:13:12 AM
I was torn about last night and turns out I was right in the end! Brazil odds not weren't worth betting on but I ccouldn't see Ecuador pulling off anything more than a fulltime draw. And then we have Peru who keeps surprising us.

Venezuela goodbye! Their fans will be might mad lol.


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 Discussion Thread
Post by: onecall123 on June 28, 2021, 05:49:57 AM
Brazil failed to win, they played really bad in the second half, they had only one chance from vinicius jr but he missed a quite easy goal, he couldn't reach the ball well to control the shot, but besides that, they did nothing, Neymar showed again how important he is for brazil without even playing, the efficacy to score was missing.
Brazil has already qualified because of that they playing not so insistent. even if it's a draw brazil still on top and continues to advance to the next round. B group match has played all, in this situation, we got surprise Venezuela back to home first. Ecuador, which is expected to be knocked out, advances to the next round.

There was a mass changed in Brazil squad, without Neymar they survived once again. Brazil experiment without Neymar failed to meet up to the mark, yet Ecuador get a significant outcome against Brazil. Thus, this is the break of Brazil consecutive winning records.


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 Discussion Thread
Post by: Swordsoffreedom on June 28, 2021, 06:18:09 AM
Brazil failed to win, they played really bad in the second half, they had only one chance from vinicius jr but he missed a quite easy goal, he couldn't reach the ball well to control the shot, but besides that, they did nothing, Neymar showed again how important he is for brazil without even playing, the efficacy to score was missing.
Brazil has already qualified because of that they playing not so insistent. even if it's a draw brazil still on top and continues to advance to the next round. B group match has played all, in this situation, we got surprise Venezuela back to home first. Ecuador, which is expected to be knocked out, advances to the next round.

There was a mass changed in Brazil squad, without Neymar they survived once again. Brazil experiment without Neymar failed to meet up to the mark, yet Ecuador get a significant outcome against Brazil. Thus, this is the break of Brazil consecutive winning records.

I could not have guessed that Brazil would share points with weaker Ecuador. I thought Brazil would win the match 2-1. I couldn’t be more satisfied watching Brazil play. It's hard to believe that a well-known team like them can't play well against a small team like Ecuador. Now it seems to me that the Brazilian team is much more dependent on Neymar.


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 Discussion Thread
Post by: swogerino on June 28, 2021, 07:02:30 AM
Brazil not being able to win against Ecuador were the headlines from Copa America in this last game.I think that Brazil took the game a bit easy and they under estimated their opponents.In such tournaments no opponent can be under estimated or otherwise you lose points against them just as happened to Brazil in this game.That happened most likely because Brazil is already the first place with 3 wins and the draw of this game against Ecuador.In such games is better to not bet as the odds were not big enough but the risk was as it happened.


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 Discussion Thread
Post by: Maidak on June 28, 2021, 07:08:47 AM
Brazil failed to win, they played really bad in the second half, they had only one chance from vinicius jr but he missed a quite easy goal, he couldn't reach the ball well to control the shot, but besides that, they did nothing, Neymar showed again how important he is for brazil without even playing, the efficacy to score was missing.
Brazil has already qualified because of that they playing not so insistent. even if it's a draw brazil still on top and continues to advance to the next round. B group match has played all, in this situation, we got surprise Venezuela back to home first. Ecuador, which is expected to be knocked out, advances to the next round.

There was a mass changed in Brazil squad, without Neymar they survived once again. Brazil experiment without Neymar failed to meet up to the mark, yet Ecuador get a significant outcome against Brazil. Thus, this is the break of Brazil consecutive winning records.

I could not have guessed that Brazil would share points with weaker Ecuador. I thought Brazil would win the match 2-1. I couldn’t be more satisfied watching Brazil play. It's hard to believe that a well-known team like them can't play well against a small team like Ecuador. Now it seems to me that the Brazilian team is much more dependent on Neymar.

It was not an important match for Brazil. Moreover, Neymar is one of the key players in the Brazil team. If he is in the squad, the other players in the team are stress free and can perform well. Although there are many talented players in the Brazilian team, they all depend on Neymar. This dependency should be reduced. Otherwise, if Neymar gets injured, Brazil will have to beat the strong team.


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 Discussion Thread
Post by: blue Snow on June 28, 2021, 07:49:17 AM

In the next game A group, bolivia doesn't expect anything because already has eliminated. if they don't insist on winning tomorrow, Argentina could've on the top stand and meet Ecuador. In another place, Uruguay must win to evading brazil. I think tomorrow will show quite an exciting match.


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 Discussion Thread
Post by: Karartma1 on June 28, 2021, 08:59:40 AM
Brazil failed to win, they played really bad in the second half, they had only one chance from vinicius jr but he missed a quite easy goal, he couldn't reach the ball well to control the shot, but besides that, they did nothing, Neymar showed again how important he is for brazil without even playing, the efficacy to score was missing.
Goodbye to the record of consecutive victories for Brazil, but Tite's replacements didn't look bad against a fierce Ecuador that, in the end, obtained the point needed to get the pass for the quarterfinals. In Goiania, the match ends 1-1, with the Seleçao keeping its unbeaten streak for the 17th consecutive year, but Mena's strike (besides the qualification) also allows Alfaro's eleven to break a ten-year goal drought against the Brazilians. Peru also smiles, earning its passage to the quarter finals by defeating Venezuela thanks to a flash by Carrillo.
I'm glad my bet was 1-1 on Brazil, nice profit :D



Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 Discussion Thread
Post by: Swordsoffreedom on June 28, 2021, 12:25:54 PM

In the next game A group, bolivia doesn't expect anything because already has eliminated. if they don't insist on winning tomorrow, Argentina could've on the top stand and meet Ecuador. In another place, Uruguay must win to evading brazil. I think tomorrow will show quite an exciting match.

Although Bolivia has lost all three of their matches, I would not be surprised if they can gain points in today's match. Because there is no continuity in Argentina's performance. They have shared points with Chile, again winning against strong Uruguay. However, my guess is that Argentina will win today's match 2-1
The match between Uruguay and Paraguay will be very competitive. Although Uruguay is strong, Paraguay has been performing exceptionally well in the last few matches. They lost to Argentina but won the other two matches.


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 Discussion Thread
Post by: KTChampions on June 28, 2021, 12:36:33 PM
I doubt Brazil will lose points against Ecuador although this game means nothing for them. They will try to rotate the squad and give opportunity to players that played less time, yet this is enough for them to to win comfortably even if Ecuador plays 100% defensively.
Ecuador has to wait for Venezuela result, a draw against Peru is possible and beneficial for both of them since Venezuela will survive and Peru will hold the second spot.

Once again, Copa America showed that any predictions at the group stage are meaningless here  ;D
In general, this is depressing, I do not understand why the players do not want to try at least for the sake of personal records (the number of goals for the national team and other statistics) - there are so many weak teams and so few who want to increase their statistics at their expense.


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 Discussion Thread
Post by: sujonali1819 on June 28, 2021, 02:00:10 PM
What do you think guys about the next game Argentina VS Bolivia?  It's true that Argentina did not lose any game till now, But I am pretty sure they did not play well as how expect their supporters like me   :D. They just had able to score to win or make draw. On the other hand Bolivia did not win any match in this tournament. So in this case they are quite very back than Argentina.


Game is going to start in 10 hours. So what you guys are guessing ?


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 Discussion Thread
Post by: snipie on June 28, 2021, 02:11:43 PM
I doubt Brazil will lose points against Ecuador although this game means nothing for them. They will try to rotate the squad and give opportunity to players that played less time, yet this is enough for them to to win comfortably even if Ecuador plays 100% defensively.
Ecuador has to wait for Venezuela result, a draw against Peru is possible and beneficial for both of them since Venezuela will survive and Peru will hold the second spot.

Once again, Copa America showed that any predictions at the group stage are meaningless here  ;D
In general, this is depressing, I do not understand why the players do not want to try at least for the sake of personal records (the number of goals for the national team and other statistics) - there are so many weak teams and so few who want to increase their statistics at their expense.
Yesterday's games were very bad for me lol. I didn't expect Brazil to draw at all hence I lost what used to be a very easy and obvious bet. Also Venezuela was disappointing but even with a draw they couldn't progress after Ecuador surprise.
Copa America is indeed weird, still can't believe Brazil's result vs EcuaDRAW!


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 Discussion Thread
Post by: LittleBitFunny on June 28, 2021, 03:37:30 PM
I doubt Brazil will lose points against Ecuador although this game means nothing for them. They will try to rotate the squad and give opportunity to players that played less time, yet this is enough for them to to win comfortably even if Ecuador plays 100% defensively.
Ecuador has to wait for Venezuela result, a draw against Peru is possible and beneficial for both of them since Venezuela will survive and Peru will hold the second spot.

Once again, Copa America showed that any predictions at the group stage are meaningless here  ;D
In general, this is depressing, I do not understand why the players do not want to try at least for the sake of personal records (the number of goals for the national team and other statistics) - there are so many weak teams and so few who want to increase their statistics at their expense.
Yesterday's games were very bad for me lol. I didn't expect Brazil to draw at all hence I lost what used to be a very easy and obvious bet. Also Venezuela was disappointing but even with a draw they couldn't progress after Ecuador surprise.
Copa America is indeed weird, still can't believe Brazil's result vs EcuaDRAW!

I lost the bet. The most powerful team in Copa America this season is Brazil. And they were in great form. I never thought Brazil would share points with a team like Ecuador. Moreover, Ecuador played well enough in this match. Although Brazil made only 6 shots, Ecuador made 8 shots.


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 Discussion Thread
Post by: Slow death on June 28, 2021, 07:35:50 PM
Game is going to start in 10 hours. So what you guys are guessing ?

Argentina - Bolivia

you said all about Argentina, they have had a very unpleasant performance, but in today's game at least they will have to make an effort to win because in today's other game they will be playing Paraguay against Uruguay, if Paraguay manages to win the game and argentina make the mistake of get a draw, so paraguay will be first in the group, something bad. I honestly don't understand what is Argentina's problem, they always had excellent players, so why do they have such a bad performance?



Uruguay - Paraguay

I bet Paraguay will win this game


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 Discussion Thread
Post by: KTChampions on June 28, 2021, 09:04:48 PM
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Uruguay - Paraguay

I bet Paraguay will win this game

What is your confidence based on? Judging by the odds of the bookmakers, they are more than confident that Uruguay will not lose this match: 1.97 - 3.0 - 5.0 If you place your bet and guess, you will quadruple your money. Good conditions in order to check your intuition  ;)


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 Discussion Thread
Post by: snipie on June 28, 2021, 09:24:37 PM
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Uruguay - Paraguay

I bet Paraguay will win this game

What is your confidence based on? Judging by the odds of the bookmakers, they are more than confident that Uruguay will not lose this match: 1.97 - 3.0 - 5.0 If you place your bet and guess, you will quadruple your money. Good conditions in order to check your intuition  ;)
I am really afraid of Copa America games now ;D
Paraguay got a draw vs Uruguay earlier this month and 2 defeats in the previous two games years ago. Uruguay isn't consistent although having good players. I have no clue how this game might finish but betting for Paraguay requires a lot of confidence :)


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 Discussion Thread
Post by: DU18 on June 28, 2021, 09:58:07 PM
Game is going to start in 10 hours. So what you guys are guessing ?

Argentina - Bolivia

you said all about Argentina, they have had a very unpleasant performance, but in today's game at least they will have to make an effort to win because in today's other game they will be playing Paraguay against Uruguay, if Paraguay manages to win the game and argentina make the mistake of get a draw, so paraguay will be first in the group, something bad. I honestly don't understand what is Argentina's problem, they always had excellent players, so why do they have such a bad performance?



Uruguay - Paraguay

I bet Paraguay will win this game
if you look at the record for meeting the two teams in recent years, of course the match will be quite exciting, even though it is certain that both teams have already qualified for the next round, but it is certain that both teams will certainly still aim for victory to improve their position in the grub standings A, In the last few meetings, the two have met 6 times, 4 of which have always ended in a draw and both won 1 times, currently Paraguay has a solid defense and Uruguay has several goal-hungry strikers who are likely to be fielded in the match, so I think the possible match will end in a draw later.


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 Discussion Thread
Post by: blue Snow on June 29, 2021, 12:01:24 AM

Argentina - Bolivia



Uruguay - Paraguay


I bet for Argetina.

And for another game, I still doubt, in this situation Paraguay still safe (lost or draw it to make them in 3rd position) which means they did not meet Brazil. While Uruguay they must win to avoid meet brazil quickly, Possible they will fight and I guess Uruguay will win with 1 different goal only.


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 Discussion Thread
Post by: nikrobi on June 29, 2021, 12:44:33 AM
Argentina x Bolivia

This match may surprise us with a hard and very disputed game forcing Argentina to give your best! Despite of it Argentina wins!



Uruguay x Paraguay

There's an interrogation mark in this game. Both teams have very similar playing styles. I bet a tie!




Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 Discussion Thread
Post by: onecall123 on June 29, 2021, 04:40:22 AM
Leo Messi on his record breaking appearance, he has scored more goals at Copa American 2021 than any other player and furthermore the top joint assist provider with 2 assists. I'm certainly a Messi fan, he isn't just goalscorer best Play maker of history. His teammates should join to the party and help him win this trophy.


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 Discussion Thread
Post by: coco23 on June 29, 2021, 08:06:20 AM
Leo Messi on his record breaking appearance, he has scored more goals at Copa American 2021 than any other player and furthermore the top joint assist provider with 2 assists. I'm certainly a Messi fan, he isn't just goalscorer best Play maker of history. His teammates should join to the party and help him win this trophy.
It would be about time for him to win a significant title with the national team. Wishing him all the best  :)
From the tournament plan it looks like Argentina vs Brazil in the finals, but 2 more games are to be won before that!


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 Discussion Thread
Post by: LittleBitFunny on June 29, 2021, 08:16:28 AM
Leo Messi on his record breaking appearance, he has scored more goals at Copa American 2021 than any other player and furthermore the top joint assist provider with 2 assists. I'm certainly a Messi fan, he isn't just goalscorer best Play maker of history. His teammates should join to the party and help him win this trophy.
It would be about time for him to win a significant title with the national team. Wishing him all the best  :)
From the tournament plan it looks like Argentina vs Brazil in the finals, but 2 more games are to be won before that!

I really want Messi to win a title for Argentina. Messi has a lot of success in club football. But he is not yet successful in the national team. Although the Argentine team is not very strong. Yet now the team seems much more stable. They have performed well in the last 4 matches. Earlier their defense was weak, but now they are good enough. I am waiting to see a title in the hands of Messi.


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 Discussion Thread
Post by: kassex on June 29, 2021, 08:48:59 AM
Leo Messi on his record breaking appearance, he has scored more goals at Copa American 2021 than any other player and furthermore the top joint assist provider with 2 assists. I'm certainly a Messi fan, he isn't just goalscorer best Play maker of history. His teammates should join to the party and help him win this trophy.
It would be about time for him to win a significant title with the national team. Wishing him all the best  :)
From the tournament plan it looks like Argentina vs Brazil in the finals, but 2 more games are to be won before that!

I really want Messi to win a title for Argentina. Messi has a lot of success in club football. But he is not yet successful in the national team. Although the Argentine team is not very strong. Yet now the team seems much more stable. They have performed well in the last 4 matches. Earlier their defense was weak, but now they are good enough. I am waiting to see a title in the hands of Messi.
In matches with strong opponents, the team relies too much on Messi. And in the end, they do not succeed. Argentina's level will be visible in the playoff matches. In these matches, everything depends on small details, the wishes of the players. Yesterday was a vivid example at Euro2021. And France at the moment is much stronger than Argentina, but still lost an important match.


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 Discussion Thread
Post by: KTChampions on June 29, 2021, 09:36:32 AM
What is your confidence based on? Judging by the odds of the bookmakers, they are more than confident that Uruguay will not lose this match: 1.97 - 3.0 - 5.0 If you place your bet and guess, you will quadruple your money. Good conditions in order to check your intuition  ;)
I am really afraid of Copa America games now ;D
Paraguay got a draw vs Uruguay earlier this month and 2 defeats in the previous two games years ago. Uruguay isn't consistent although having good players. I have no clue how this game might finish but betting for Paraguay requires a lot of confidence :)

Sure. Maybe he thinks that due to the large coefficient and the randomness of the result, the bet was profitable. Perhaps this is so, but it seems to me that a bet on a draw would be better. A draw is a more acceptable result for the favorite and the odds are still very high.


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 Discussion Thread
Post by: blue Snow on June 29, 2021, 12:10:35 PM
Now we going to Quarter-finals (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2021_Copa_Am%C3%A9rica#Knockout_stage)

https://i.postimg.cc/LX5dPzSV/ar.jpg

There is a possible favorite team that would be going to the semifinal: Argentina, Uruguay, Brazil, and Paraguay. which the table we can see who will be going to the final that is Argentina and Brazil. but this is football no one knows what happens next like Switzerland can defeat the favorite time Netherland.


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 Discussion Thread
Post by: slaman29 on June 29, 2021, 02:05:23 PM
Messi two goals, so he keeps on creating new records, happy for him. But yeah teammates, could you please just go and win it for him finally? I mean, he's carried you for so long, time to return the favor and let him touch the trophy man.

No surprises, just again once more we have the two tournament favorites topping the Group tables.



Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 Discussion Thread
Post by: snipie on June 29, 2021, 02:13:46 PM
Messi two goals, so he keeps on creating new records, happy for him. But yeah teammates, could you please just go and win it for him finally? I mean, he's carried you for so long, time to return the favor and let him touch the trophy man.
That's why Argentina didn't win anything in Messi era due to the incompetence of his teammates. I think this time will not be different. Maybe the only difference is that Messi might not continue with them after this version.

There is a possible favorite team that would be going to the semifinal: Argentina, Uruguay, Brazil, and Paraguay. which the table we can see who will be going to the final that is Argentina and Brazil. but this is football no one knows what happens next like Switzerland can defeat the favorite time Netherland.
I think Brazil and Argentina will advance, Uruguay probably but Paraguay - Peru, hmm, not sure.


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 Discussion Thread
Post by: fuguebtc on June 29, 2021, 05:19:13 PM
Messi two goals, so he keeps on creating new records, happy for him. But yeah teammates, could you please just go and win it for him finally? I mean, he's carried you for so long, time to return the favor and let him touch the trophy man.
That's why Argentina didn't win anything in Messi era due to the incompetence of his teammates. I think this time will not be different. Maybe the only difference is that Messi might not continue with them after this version.

Maybe Barcelona can win the title this season. At least I think so. Barcelona have lost a few finals before. And the main reason for each defeat was the weakness of the defense. But in the last 4 matches of Barcelona, their defense seems to be better than before. If the defenders do their duty properly, Barcelona will win the title.


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 Discussion Thread
Post by: acquafredda on June 29, 2021, 06:03:04 PM
The group stage of the Copa América 2021 came to an end on Monday and eight teams booked their tickets to the quarter-finals, which will begin on Friday July 2nd.
Argentina, Brazil, Chile, Colombia, Ecuador, Paraguay, Peru and Uruguay are the national teams that will play in the final phase of the competition, while Bolivia and Venezuela were the two eliminated teams. Considering what we have seen so far, Brazil Argentina should be, again, the Copa América 2021 final.
I vote for Argentina winning.


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 Discussion Thread
Post by: Slow death on June 29, 2021, 06:26:23 PM
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Uruguay - Paraguay

I bet Paraguay will win this game

What is your confidence based on? Judging by the odds of the bookmakers, they are more than confident that Uruguay will not lose this match: 1.97 - 3.0 - 5.0 If you place your bet and guess, you will quadruple your money. Good conditions in order to check your intuition  ;)

Uruguay 1  - 0 Paraguay

it was my chance to make an excellent profit if i got it right, honestly i've been betting on luck  ;D



Bolivia 1 - 4 Argentina

wow, argentina managed to score a lot of goals it was a very impressive feat mainly because messi scored 2 goals  ;D joking aside, it was good to see argentina score a lot of goals


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 Discussion Thread
Post by: ILuckyGuyI on June 29, 2021, 06:41:58 PM
The quarter final draws are:

Peru - Paraguay
Brazil - Chile
Uruguay - Colombia
Argentina - Ecuador


It should be quite easy for Argentina to eliminate Ecuador with their recent performance. They didn't lose any game in the group stage. Messi was performing really great. He got 3 goals, 2 assists in 4 games. I'm expecting him to keep up the good work and help his team end Ecuador also.


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 Discussion Thread
Post by: hahay on June 29, 2021, 07:21:27 PM
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It should be quite easy for Argentina to eliminate Ecuador with their recent performance. They didn't lose any game in the group stage. Messi was performing really great. He got 3 goals, 2 assists in 4 games. I'm expecting him to keep up the good work and help his team end Ecuador also.
Yes there is no doubt this time, of course I also believe Argentina will be easy to win and even to get to the final against Brazil. Chile has only won once and Ecuador has never won, both only survived with a draw, these results of course are still not enough to be able to hold back Argentina and Brazil. So yes, I think this is an easy prediction but other than that, this moment should be a good chance for Argentina to become champions after failing in the 2016 Final.


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 Discussion Thread
Post by: KTChampions on June 29, 2021, 09:59:49 PM
The quarter final draws are:

Peru - Paraguay
Brazil - Chile
Uruguay - Colombia
Argentina - Ecuador

It should be quite easy for Argentina to eliminate Ecuador with their recent performance. They didn't lose any game in the group stage. Messi was performing really great. He got 3 goals, 2 assists in 4 games. I'm expecting him to keep up the good work and help his team end Ecuador also.

In my opinion, the only interesting match here is Brazil - Chile, if you take into account the "successes" of Argentina in the finals and assume that they are not over, then this match can be called a hidden final. As for the last two matches where I have highlighted the favorites in bold, they are good for multi-betting.


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 Discussion Thread
Post by: Harkorede on June 29, 2021, 10:24:07 PM
The quarter final draws are:

Peru - Paraguay
Brazil - Chile
Uruguay - Colombia
Argentina - Ecuador

It should be quite easy for Argentina to eliminate Ecuador with their recent performance. They didn't lose any game in the group stage. Messi was performing really great. He got 3 goals, 2 assists in 4 games. I'm expecting him to keep up the good work and help his team end Ecuador also.

In my opinion, the only interesting match here is Brazil - Chile, if you take into account the "successes" of Argentina in the finals and assume that they are not over, then this match can be called a hidden final. As for the last two matches where I have highlighted the favorites in bold, they are good for multi-betting.

I agree, Brazil probably have the toughest fixtures despite finish the best in their own group, It should be noted that Chile are no where near that usual standard or performance. Regardless they still can't be undermined. Argentina should make it semi finals with relative ease, I think, at least they're better this year than they were during the last tournament.


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 Discussion Thread
Post by: blue Snow on June 30, 2021, 01:37:31 AM
I think Brazil and Argentina will advance, Uruguay probably but Paraguay - Peru, hmm, not sure.
So far the statistic Peru is better, head to head both meet 19 times. Peru won 9 and Paraguay won 6 and the rest is a draw.  In the global stat for 15 last match, both the same have 5 won. Paraguay better with less loss than Peru, only have 4 lost. maybe we have to wait until approaching the match. usually, there is maybe will change for the squad to can compare who is better.


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 Discussion Thread
Post by: fuguebtc on June 30, 2021, 07:41:10 AM
I think Brazil and Argentina will advance, Uruguay probably but Paraguay - Peru, hmm, not sure.
So far the statistic Peru is better, head to head both meet 19 times. Peru won 9 and Paraguay won 6 and the rest is a draw.  In the global stat for 15 last match, both the same have 5 won. Paraguay better with less loss than Peru, only have 4 lost. maybe we have to wait until approaching the match. usually, there is maybe will change for the squad to can compare who is better.


It is difficult to predict which team will win in the knock out round and which team will advance to the next round. 90 minutes of match time, if the performance is not good, or if you make a mistake, all the statistics of the past will have no value. Peru and Paraguay are almost the same quality team.


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 Discussion Thread
Post by: slaman29 on June 30, 2021, 09:09:59 AM
Maybe Barcelona can win the title this season. At least I think so. Barcelona have lost a few finals before. And the main reason for each defeat was the weakness of the defense. But in the last 4 matches of Barcelona, their defense seems to be better than before. If the defenders do their duty properly, Barcelona will win the title.

We'll have to wait and see for this, but if they can keep up the goal-defending form they displayed in the last few matches, I think they will just about do it.

Meanwhile I'm counting on yet another Argentina-Peru final, but Brazil is for sure the team to beat at this stage. If Messi wins it, he'll probably be so fired up for La Liga.



Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 Discussion Thread
Post by: Zilon on June 30, 2021, 03:09:45 PM
The quarter final draws are:

Peru - Paraguay
Brazil - Chile
Uruguay - Colombia
Argentina - Ecuador

It should be quite easy for Argentina to eliminate Ecuador with their recent performance.

Most times surprises surfaces on the pitch yes Argentina has an added advantage over Ecuador but every team has it's own weakness.

For Brazil-chile I see the game as a walk over for brazil but like I always say surprises might still play out but hope the wouldn't score a dieing minute goal just as the did against Columbia.


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 Discussion Thread
Post by: KTChampions on June 30, 2021, 07:16:40 PM
In my opinion, the only interesting match here is Brazil - Chile, if you take into account the "successes" of Argentina in the finals and assume that they are not over, then this match can be called a hidden final. As for the last two matches where I have highlighted the favorites in bold, they are good for multi-betting.

I agree, Brazil probably have the toughest fixtures despite finish the best in their own group, It should be noted that Chile are no where near that usual standard or performance. Regardless they still can't be undermined. Argentina should make it semi finals with relative ease, I think, at least they're better this year than they were during the last tournament.

Yes, Chile is far from its historical best condition, but Brazil does not show anything special either. In fact, given the randomness of this tournament, I wouldn't be surprised at any outcome in any pair. Even if Ecuador knocks out Argentina no one will be shocked like when Switzerland knocked out France.


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 Discussion Thread
Post by: Ratash on June 30, 2021, 08:30:44 PM
The quarter final draws are:

Peru - Paraguay
Brazil - Chile
Uruguay - Colombia
Argentina - Ecuador


It should be quite easy for Argentina to eliminate Ecuador with their recent performance. They didn't lose any game in the group stage. Messi was performing really great. He got 3 goals, 2 assists in 4 games. I'm expecting him to keep up the good work and help his team end Ecuador also.
I think argentina are in a good condition to advance to the semi finals i do not think they will have problems on the other hand colombia uruguay and paraguay peru are difficult to predict as for brazil i think they will pass considering the though situation chile are in after the loss against paraguay and they showed some poor performance in recent games.


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 Discussion Thread
Post by: Iranus on July 01, 2021, 03:47:33 AM
The quarter final draws are:

Peru - Paraguay
Brazil - Chile
Uruguay - Colombia
Argentina - Ecuador


It should be quite easy for Argentina to eliminate Ecuador with their recent performance. They didn't lose any game in the group stage. Messi was performing really great. He got 3 goals, 2 assists in 4 games. I'm expecting him to keep up the good work and help his team end Ecuador also.
I think argentina are in a good condition to advance to the semi finals i do not think they will have problems on the other hand colombia uruguay and paraguay peru are difficult to predict as for brazil i think they will pass considering the though situation chile are in after the loss against paraguay and they showed some poor performance in recent games.

I think Argentina is in the safest zone. They are in good form now, the players are playing great. And their opponent Ecuador is not a strong opponent. They have not won a single match so far. They have drawn 3 matches and lost one. I Hope, Argentina will easily win.


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 Discussion Thread
Post by: fuguebtc on July 01, 2021, 05:22:10 AM
We'll have to wait and see for this, but if they can keep up the goal-defending form they displayed in the last few matches, I think they will just about do it.

Meanwhile I'm counting on yet another Argentina-Peru final, but Brazil is for sure the team to beat at this stage. If Messi wins it, he'll probably be so fired up for La Liga.


I think Argentina and Brazil will have a final. Because both teams are in great form now. Brazil lost points in the last match, not only Neymar was in the squad. If Neymar was in the squad, they would have won the last match too. Brazil's next opponent is Chile. The Chile team is bad. Against them, Brazil must play carefully.


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 Discussion Thread
Post by: slaman29 on July 01, 2021, 09:28:06 AM
I think Argentina and Brazil will have a final. Because both teams are in great form now. Brazil lost points in the last match, not only Neymar was in the squad. If Neymar was in the squad, they would have won the last match too. Brazil's next opponent is Chile. The Chile team is bad. Against them, Brazil must play carefully.

At the rate they're playing, it definitely looks like Brazil but despite my favorite guy playing in Argentina, I don't know if they have the consistency. Peru is playing as usual without any pressure so they can make it to another final. But COPA is COPA and we all know the rules that apply here are: random and anything can happen!


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 Discussion Thread
Post by: acquafredda on July 01, 2021, 04:22:03 PM
In the opening match, the Brazilian team beat Venezuela 3-0, thanks to goals from Marquinhos, Neymar and Gabriel Barbosa. In the next fixture, Tite's team won even more decisively, with Alex Sandro, Neymar, Everton Ribeiro and Richarlison leading the way to a 4-0 victory over Peru. The victory over Colombia, on the other hand, was a difficult one: goals from Roberto Firmino and Casemiro - author of the final 2-1 in the tenth minute of added time - thwarted Luis Diaz's initial feat. Finally, the 1-1 draw against Ecuador, marked by goals from Eder Militao and Angel Mena.
Now it is time for a more difficult match but I see Brazil winning something like 3-0, 3-1 against Chile. Chile's players are not as strong as they used to be and with many of their stars starting to fade, I do not see them able to oppose to the Seleçao.


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 Discussion Thread
Post by: hahay on July 01, 2021, 04:31:54 PM
I think Argentina and Brazil will have a final. Because both teams are in great form now. Brazil lost points in the last match, not only Neymar was in the squad. If Neymar was in the squad, they would have won the last match too. Brazil's next opponent is Chile. The Chile team is bad. Against them, Brazil must play carefully.

At the rate they're playing, it definitely looks like Brazil but despite my favorite guy playing in Argentina, I don't know if they have the consistency. Peru is playing as usual without any pressure so they can make it to another final. But COPA is COPA and we all know the rules that apply here are: random and anything can happen!
Brazil and Argentina have always been the favorites in this tournament and at this moment too, I think both teams seem to have their luck because the opponents they face are not in as good condition as the Copa America titles in previous years. Just look at other teams like Uruguay, Chile even though they can advance to the quarter-finals but in fact, their game in the group stage does not seem to have high enthusiasm or maybe because the pandemic period is very influential in a deserted field without spectators.


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 Discussion Thread
Post by: snipie on July 01, 2021, 05:16:02 PM
I think Brazil and Argentina will advance, Uruguay probably but Paraguay - Peru, hmm, not sure.
So far the statistic Peru is better, head to head both meet 19 times. Peru won 9 and Paraguay won 6 and the rest is a draw.  In the global stat for 15 last match, both the same have 5 won. Paraguay better with less loss than Peru, only have 4 lost. maybe we have to wait until approaching the match. usually, there is maybe will change for the squad to can compare who is better.
In this game between Peru and Paraguay in particular, I prefer to see the first minutes before placing any bet, the game is relatively not very late.. Knowing the starting eleven is also relevant but not sufficient in Copa America weird games.


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 Discussion Thread
Post by: famososMuertos on July 01, 2021, 07:27:32 PM
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E5OPshZXwAIFsvD.jpg
Source:https://twitter.com/CopaAmerica/status/1410629486459097094/photo/1
Pic:Text,
Quarter-final round
Friday july 2
Saturday july 3

Brazil has it easy to reach the final, on the other hand Argentina must beat Ecuador but then has a very hard obstacle, it does not matter if it is Uruguay or Colombia, both teams play well against Argentina
This is my final frame 4k, that is, I see everything very well :)
ARG (1) Bra(2) Col (3) Par (4)


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 Discussion Thread
Post by: Maidak on July 02, 2021, 04:10:25 AM
I think Brazil and Argentina will advance, Uruguay probably but Paraguay - Peru, hmm, not sure.
So far the statistic Peru is better, head to head both meet 19 times. Peru won 9 and Paraguay won 6 and the rest is a draw.  In the global stat for 15 last match, both the same have 5 won. Paraguay better with less loss than Peru, only have 4 lost. maybe we have to wait until approaching the match. usually, there is maybe will change for the squad to can compare who is better.
In this game between Peru and Paraguay in particular, I prefer to see the first minutes before placing any bet, the game is relatively not very late.. Knowing the starting eleven is also relevant but not sufficient in Copa America weird games.

In the match between Peru and Paraguay, I will choose the Peru team to bet. Neither team's performance in the last few matches is good. I have seen the statistics of the match between these two teams. Peru has won four of their last five matches against Paraguye and drawn one. I think Peru will win the next match as usual.


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 Discussion Thread
Post by: Iranus on July 02, 2021, 05:51:00 AM
I think Brazil and Argentina will advance, Uruguay probably but Paraguay - Peru, hmm, not sure.
So far the statistic Peru is better, head to head both meet 19 times. Peru won 9 and Paraguay won 6 and the rest is a draw.  In the global stat for 15 last match, both the same have 5 won. Paraguay better with less loss than Peru, only have 4 lost. maybe we have to wait until approaching the match. usually, there is maybe will change for the squad to can compare who is better.
In this game between Peru and Paraguay in particular, I prefer to see the first minutes before placing any bet, the game is relatively not very late.. Knowing the starting eleven is also relevant but not sufficient in Copa America weird games.

In the match between Peru and Paraguay, I will choose the Peru team to bet. Neither team's performance in the last few matches is good. I have seen the statistics of the match between these two teams. Peru has won four of their last five matches against Paraguye and drawn one. I think Peru will win the next match as usual.

I don't think so. Paraguay is in good form, although they have lost to Argentina and Uruguay, they have played well enough in these two matches. On the other hand, they won against Bolivia and Chile. If they can maintain such a performance, they will also win against Peru.


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 Discussion Thread
Post by: KTChampions on July 02, 2021, 10:27:40 AM
In this game between Peru and Paraguay in particular, I prefer to see the first minutes before placing any bet, the game is relatively not very late.. Knowing the starting eleven is also relevant but not sufficient in Copa America weird games.

From the bookmaker's point of view, this match is a complete random

2,95 - 2,90 - 2,80  :)

I would refrain from making any bets here.

Quite interesting odds in the pair Brazil - Chile:

1,35 - 5,00 - 10,00

I understand that Brazil is the favorite, but I am sure that if 10 matches were played here, then Chile would have won at least 2, which means that the odds on Chile are underestimated.


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 Discussion Thread
Post by: slaman29 on July 02, 2021, 12:02:22 PM
Brazil and Argentina have always been the favorites in this tournament and at this moment too, I think both teams seem to have their luck because the opponents they face are not in as good condition as the Copa America titles in previous years. Just look at other teams like Uruguay, Chile even though they can advance to the quarter-finals but in fact, their game in the group stage does not seem to have high enthusiasm or maybe because the pandemic period is very influential in a deserted field without spectators.

I have wondered myself how it's going to be like playing in countries where the people are suffering, like in Brazil recently where they passed 500 thousand mark of covid deaths. HALF A MILLION that is bigger almost twice than the city I work in right now and I feel it gets crowded. Imagine that? I couldn't play properly thinking of all these things to be honest.

I wonder though if Brazil plays with extra effort BECAUSE they know this and they want to give their people something fond to look at this year?


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 Discussion Thread
Post by: Iranus on July 02, 2021, 02:57:28 PM
Brazil and Argentina have always been the favorites in this tournament and at this moment too, I think both teams seem to have their luck because the opponents they face are not in as good condition as the Copa America titles in previous years. Just look at other teams like Uruguay, Chile even though they can advance to the quarter-finals but in fact, their game in the group stage does not seem to have high enthusiasm or maybe because the pandemic period is very influential in a deserted field without spectators.

I have wondered myself how it's going to be like playing in countries where the people are suffering, like in Brazil recently where they passed 500 thousand mark of covid deaths. HALF A MILLION that is bigger almost twice than the city I work in right now and I feel it gets crowded. Imagine that? I couldn't play properly thinking of all these things to be honest.

I wonder though if Brazil plays with extra effort BECAUSE they know this and they want to give their people something fond to look at this year?

The Brazilian government has never given importance to the corona virus. The government has neglected the corona virus since its inception. Although all countries have been asked to abide by various restrictions, Brazil's prime minister has called many public meeting. And as a result, more than 500,000 people have died.


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 Discussion Thread
Post by: Swordsoffreedom on July 02, 2021, 07:00:06 PM
Waiting in front of the television to enjoy another win for Brazil  ;D. However, the victory against the opponent Chile will not be easy. Still, I hope Brazil will leave the field with a victory. Chile's performance against Brazil has not been good. In the last 5 matches, they have lost 4 matches against Brazil, winning only one. Wait and see how Brazil wins today's match  ;D


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 Discussion Thread
Post by: uneng on July 02, 2021, 07:21:53 PM
Brazil and Argentina have always been the favorites in this tournament and at this moment too, I think both teams seem to have their luck because the opponents they face are not in as good condition as the Copa America titles in previous years. Just look at other teams like Uruguay, Chile even though they can advance to the quarter-finals but in fact, their game in the group stage does not seem to have high enthusiasm or maybe because the pandemic period is very influential in a deserted field without spectators.

I have wondered myself how it's going to be like playing in countries where the people are suffering, like in Brazil recently where they passed 500 thousand mark of covid deaths. HALF A MILLION that is bigger almost twice than the city I work in right now and I feel it gets crowded. Imagine that? I couldn't play properly thinking of all these things to be honest.

I wonder though if Brazil plays with extra effort BECAUSE they know this and they want to give their people something fond to look at this year?
I don't think the team would put any extra effort on the game, because they didn't even want to play the cup at first moment when it was said Brazil would held the event. There were a lot of talks behind the curtains, involving the coach and some players, threating to not participate the cup because the pandemic. However, they were demoralized since all other championships were running smoothly despite coronavirus.
So they gave up this rebellion and accepted playing at the event. Actually these guys play only for money and sponsorship, not for the country or any patriotic value.

The attempt to not participate the cup at first moment had a political agenda interest.


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 Discussion Thread
Post by: LUCKMCFLY on July 02, 2021, 07:45:49 PM
In today's most anticipated match, I think Brazil is going to come out with all its arsenal, that is, Neymar is not going to give the Chileans the slightest opportunity, because the draw that Brazil had with Ecuador, was something not expected by No one except for the Ecuadorians, since Brazil had a very winning streak, the Brazilians are very demanding with their team, in fact this first stage of the Copa América meant the departure of the Venezuelan team, now Brazil will have to show that it has How to win this Copa América and it has to show that it is not only the luck of a host team, for its part, Chile has been champion of the Copa América and does not usually fear Brazil, Argentina, which are countries with a great soccer career.


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 Discussion Thread
Post by: BITCOIN4X on July 02, 2021, 08:06:11 PM
In today's most anticipated match, I think Brazil is going to come out with all its arsenal, that is, Neymar is not going to give the Chileans the slightest opportunity, because the draw that Brazil had with Ecuador, was something not expected by No one except for the Ecuadorians, since Brazil had a very winning streak, the Brazilians are very demanding with their team, in fact this first stage of the Copa América meant the departure of the Venezuelan team, now Brazil will have to show that it has How to win this Copa América and it has to show that it is not only the luck of a host team, for its part, Chile has been champion of the Copa América and does not usually fear Brazil, Argentina, which are countries with a great soccer career.
The quarter-finals are about to start. Peru vs Paraguay became the opening match in the quarter-finals while Brazil vs Chile became the second match. I feel Paraguay and Brazil will manage to win the match and qualify for the semifinals. Brazil vs Chile will be a great match but it looks like Brazil will win.

Some who will qualify for the semifinals in my opinion are Paraguay, Brazil, Uruguay, and Argentina.

Final: Brazil vs Argentina.
Winner: Argentina


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 Discussion Thread
Post by: LUCKMCFLY on July 02, 2021, 08:29:29 PM
In today's most anticipated match, I think Brazil is going to come out with all its arsenal, that is, Neymar is not going to give the Chileans the slightest opportunity, because the draw that Brazil had with Ecuador, was something not expected by No one except for the Ecuadorians, since Brazil had a very winning streak, the Brazilians are very demanding with their team, in fact this first stage of the Copa América meant the departure of the Venezuelan team, now Brazil will have to show that it has How to win this Copa América and it has to show that it is not only the luck of a host team, for its part, Chile has been champion of the Copa América and does not usually fear Brazil, Argentina, which are countries with a great soccer career.
The quarter-finals are about to start. Peru vs Paraguay became the opening match in the quarter-finals while Brazil vs Chile became the second match. I feel Paraguay and Brazil will manage to win the match and qualify for the semifinals. Brazil vs Chile will be a great match but it looks like Brazil will win.

Some who will qualify for the semifinals in my opinion are Paraguay, Brazil, Uruguay, and Argentina.

Final: Brazil vs Argentina.
Winner: Argentina

I think the same as you, Paraguay has many possibilities of beating Peru, in fact I want that, and with respect to the Final that you predict it would be great to see such an exciting clash of the titans, to see on the one hand the warrior Brazil with Neymar and for Argentina Seeing Messi who has a great commitment to Argentina will be something unique, in fact I think Leo Messi would go with everything to take that title, because he has not yet been able to win a World Cup for Argentina.

For now I am waiting for the game in almost half an hour, the players are going to go out to warm up, today is an afternoon full of football, on the one hand the EURO with Belgium vs Italy, and on the other with the Copa América.


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 Discussion Thread
Post by: alegotardo on July 02, 2021, 08:52:18 PM
The quarter-finals are about to start. Peru vs Paraguay became the opening match in the quarter-finals while Brazil vs Chile became the second match. I feel Paraguay and Brazil will manage to win the match and qualify for the semifinals. Brazil vs Chile will be a great match but it looks like Brazil will win.

Some who will qualify for the semifinals in my opinion are Paraguay, Brazil, Uruguay, and Argentina.

Final: Brazil vs Argentina.
Winner: Argentina

I agree with almost everything you said, except the fact that Argentina is the champion.
It isn't just because I'm Brazilian, but because I believe Brazil has a better chance of winning.
I'm not saying this either because I'm comparing Neymar with Messi, I have the good sense to assume that Messi is much better than Neymar, but thinking of the teams as a whole I still see Brazil as more likely to lift the cup and that's for sure my bet.


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 Discussion Thread
Post by: Rabi3 on July 02, 2021, 11:59:23 PM
Brazil's match is about to start now, and i think that they're going to win, which is obvious to a lot of people i guess, but it won't be easy, this is the scenario i am thinking that could happen, either Chile to win the first half then lose the match, or a draw in the first half then brazil will win the match after conceding the first goal in 2nd half, it could be nonsense, but who knows ?! both teams to score seems like the rational pick.


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 Discussion Thread
Post by: bitzizzix on July 03, 2021, 01:54:47 AM
The match was almost over and Brazil took a 1-0 lead over Chile. Lucas Paqueta's results in the 46th minute, the statistics of the match are actually only slightly different even though Brazil dominates a bit.
Even though Brazil played 10 men because Gabriel Jesus committed a foul and got a red card in the 48th minute and Brazil still played well and qualified for the semifinals.


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 Discussion Thread
Post by: Iranus on July 03, 2021, 04:11:27 AM
The match was almost over and Brazil took a 1-0 lead over Chile. Lucas Paqueta's results in the 46th minute, the statistics of the match are actually only slightly different even though Brazil dominates a bit.
Even though Brazil played 10 men because Gabriel Jesus committed a foul and got a red card in the 48th minute and Brazil still played well and qualified for the semifinals.

Lucas Paqueta's goal was outstanding. But I hoped Brazil would dominate the whole match. But Brazil could not do that. Chile played very well. I would say both teams played the same way. Brazil's players are more experienced so they have been able to score a goal and won the matche.


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 Discussion Thread
Post by: onecall123 on July 03, 2021, 05:40:44 AM
The match was almost over and Brazil took a 1-0 lead over Chile. Lucas Paqueta's results in the 46th minute, the statistics of the match are actually only slightly different even though Brazil dominates a bit.
Even though Brazil played 10 men because Gabriel Jesus committed a foul and got a red card in the 48th minute and Brazil still played well and qualified for the semifinals.

Lucas Paqueta's goal was outstanding. But I hoped Brazil would dominate the whole match. But Brazil could not do that. Chile played very well. I would say both teams played the same way. Brazil's players are more experienced so they have been able to score a goal and won the matche.
Despite losing Gabriel Jesus Brazil survive the second half with 10 men. A hugely disappointing end to this Copa America for Chile unable to find an equalizer once Brazil went down to 10 men, they mostly lost by the experienced side of Brazil. This Brazil team can easily conquer Copa America.


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 Discussion Thread
Post by: Iranus on July 03, 2021, 05:49:44 AM
The match was almost over and Brazil took a 1-0 lead over Chile. Lucas Paqueta's results in the 46th minute, the statistics of the match are actually only slightly different even though Brazil dominates a bit.
Even though Brazil played 10 men because Gabriel Jesus committed a foul and got a red card in the 48th minute and Brazil still played well and qualified for the semifinals.

Lucas Paqueta's goal was outstanding. But I hoped Brazil would dominate the whole match. But Brazil could not do that. Chile played very well. I would say both teams played the same way. Brazil's players are more experienced so they have been able to score a goal and won the matche.
Despite losing Gabriel Jesus Brazil survive the second half with 10 men. A hugely disappointing end to this Copa America for Chile unable to find an equalizer once Brazil went down to 10 men, they mostly lost by the experienced side of Brazil. This Brazil team can easily conquer Copa America.

The strongest and most experienced team in the Copa America this season is Brazil. I think Argentina will fight for the title with them. Because Argentina's players are in good form now. Brazil's next opponent is Peru. Brazil won the first match 4-0 against Peru. My guess is that Brazil will go to the final by defeating Peru 2-1.


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 Discussion Thread
Post by: acquafredda on July 03, 2021, 08:06:59 AM
The Estadio Nacional Mané Garrincha in Brasilia is about to host another quarterfinal of the 47th edition of the Copa America. It will be an interesting match between two prestigious national teams that have so far completed opposite paths in this competition.
The matche between Colombia and Uruguay, in short, could be quite eventful. The Uruguayan national team often manages to be solid and compact. It will be difficult to see a challenge characterized by a great number of goals. The Colombian selection, unconvincing in the last games, appears as the underdog for the game. Uruguay should at least avoid defeat during the regular 90', which will likely feature at least one goal on each side, but no more than three goals overall.
Uruguay looks me better equipped to go forward.


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 Discussion Thread
Post by: KTChampions on July 03, 2021, 10:31:25 AM
Quite interesting odds in the pair Brazil - Chile:

1,35 - 5,00 - 10,00

I understand that Brazil is the favorite, but I am sure that if 10 matches were played here, then Chile would have won at least 2, which means that the odds on Chile are underestimated.

I think the result of the match, or rather the game, confirmed my idea that Chile was underestimated. Despite winning in regulation time, the match turned out to be difficult for Brazil and Chile had some chances, while the Brazilian team was unable to get a comfortable advantage and, in fact, risked getting into extra time until the last minutes of the match.


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 Discussion Thread
Post by: Slow death on July 03, 2021, 10:33:09 AM
Brazil 1 - 0 Chile

many chances to score a goal were wasted by brazil, Gabriel Jesus looked like he needed glasses to hit the goal, then he used kung fu tricks against the chilean player and as a consequence gabriel jesus received the red card, the advantage is that brazil is very strong and didn't let chile have many chances to score... because if brazil were weak to play with 10 players they would be in a bad situation



Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 Discussion Thread
Post by: slaman29 on July 03, 2021, 11:32:57 AM
To all the responses about Brazil and Covid: yeah, big shame everything is politicized while half a million died. I feel sometimes so guilty to enjoy this football like this. But anyway...

So I totally saw the setups wrongly, I was all the while talking about another Brazil Peru final... but only just earlier this morning saw now that the routes ensure it won't happen.

But we do have the final repeat as a semi though, and I think Brazil will be very happy it turned out this way. I guess it really is turning out to be Brazil Argentina.


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 Discussion Thread
Post by: sujonali1819 on July 03, 2021, 02:04:34 PM
Brazil 1 - 0 Chile

many chances to score a goal were wasted by brazil, Gabriel Jesus looked like he needed glasses to hit the goal, then he used kung fu tricks against the chilean player and as a consequence gabriel jesus received the red card, the advantage is that brazil is very strong and didn't let chile have many chances to score... because if brazil were weak to play with 10 players they would be in a bad situation



According to statistic of today Brazil vs Chile match, Chile was above in all criteria. They have hold the ball about 59% where Brazil is 41%. But Chile did not able do a goal. Tbh I did not like Brazil gameplay today. They should play better than what they did. And After seeing the first half with 0-0 score I was thinking about if the match end with a DRAW then maybe we can enjoy Penalty. But in one minute of start the 2nd half Brazil do a goal without understanding situation by Chile.

On the other hand there are many fouls happen from both side. And sometime players lost their mind control and seem angry to each other. That was not expected.


BTW what do you think about Argentina vs Ecuador match? Only 13 hours left to start the game.


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 Discussion Thread
Post by: Swordsoffreedom on July 03, 2021, 03:08:24 PM

BTW what do you think about Argentina vs Ecuador match? Only 13 hours left to start the game.

I don't think anything but the victory of Argentina. Moreover, Ecuador is not a strong team. Ecuador could not win any match in the Group stage. Moreover, Ecuador has lost 4 of the last 5 matches head-to-head against Argentina. In the last 5 matches, Ecuador has conceded 12 goals from Argentina. I hope Argentina will win today by 2-0


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 Discussion Thread
Post by: sujonali1819 on July 03, 2021, 03:52:12 PM
I hope Argentina will win today by 2-0
I also hope Argentina will win and the parentage of my confidence is more than 90%. And the score could be more than one goal by Ag.

And I ma very curious to Brazil Vs Argentina match in this tournament. Hopefully in Final we will see the match.


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 Discussion Thread
Post by: hahay on July 03, 2021, 04:03:36 PM

BTW what do you think about Argentina vs Ecuador match? Only 13 hours left to start the game.

I don't think anything but the victory of Argentina. Moreover, Ecuador is not a strong team. Ecuador could not win any match in the Group stage. Moreover, Ecuador has lost 4 of the last 5 matches head-to-head against Argentina. In the last 5 matches, Ecuador has conceded 12 goals from Argentina. I hope Argentina will win today by 2-0
Yes, even though Ecuador only lost once in the group stage but that still doesn't guarantee Ecuador can make it difficult for Argentina. I just believe Argentina and Brazil will continue to win in this tournament. So whoever they face I'm just sure that Argentina and Brazil will win and it doesn't matter how many goals they score because even in the group stage I saw they didn't seem to have the target to win big but the important thing is that they can win even if it's only 1- 0.


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 Discussion Thread
Post by: LittleBitFunny on July 03, 2021, 05:09:35 PM

BTW what do you think about Argentina vs Ecuador match? Only 13 hours left to start the game.

I don't think anything but the victory of Argentina. Moreover, Ecuador is not a strong team. Ecuador could not win any match in the Group stage. Moreover, Ecuador has lost 4 of the last 5 matches head-to-head against Argentina. In the last 5 matches, Ecuador has conceded 12 goals from Argentina. I hope Argentina will win today by 2-0
Yes, even though Ecuador only lost once in the group stage but that still doesn't guarantee Ecuador can make it difficult for Argentina. I just believe Argentina and Brazil will continue to win in this tournament. So whoever they face I'm just sure that Argentina and Brazil will win and it doesn't matter how many goals they score because even in the group stage I saw they didn't seem to have the target to win big but the important thing is that they can win even if it's only 1- 0.

I hope so. I want Argentina will win tonight. And let the final match between Brazil and Argentina be held. Messi has yet to win an international title. I want Messi to win the title this season. Moreover, the Argentine team is playing much better now than before. A team like Ecuador should be easily defeated.


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 Discussion Thread
Post by: mv1986 on July 03, 2021, 05:37:08 PM

BTW what do you think about Argentina vs Ecuador match? Only 13 hours left to start the game.

I don't think anything but the victory of Argentina. Moreover, Ecuador is not a strong team. Ecuador could not win any match in the Group stage. Moreover, Ecuador has lost 4 of the last 5 matches head-to-head against Argentina. In the last 5 matches, Ecuador has conceded 12 goals from Argentina. I hope Argentina will win today by 2-0

Argentina is weird, they are sometimes very strong (like now with their 4-1 victory), but they are never constantly strong for several games in a row. Happy to see Messi scoring though, he deserves a big international title. Although Neymar also deserves it although he is quite a bit too much crying on the pitch. Doesn't change the fact that he is an outstanding soccer player.


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 Discussion Thread
Post by: Swordsoffreedom on July 03, 2021, 06:35:30 PM

BTW what do you think about Argentina vs Ecuador match? Only 13 hours left to start the game.

I don't think anything but the victory of Argentina. Moreover, Ecuador is not a strong team. Ecuador could not win any match in the Group stage. Moreover, Ecuador has lost 4 of the last 5 matches head-to-head against Argentina. In the last 5 matches, Ecuador has conceded 12 goals from Argentina. I hope Argentina will win today by 2-0

Argentina is weird, they are sometimes very strong (like now with their 4-1 victory), but they are never constantly strong for several games in a row. Happy to see Messi scoring though, he deserves a big international title. Although Neymar also deserves it although he is quite a bit too much crying on the pitch. Doesn't change the fact that he is an outstanding soccer player.

I think you're right. Argentina are unbeaten in almost 16 matches. They were not defeated. But they have drawn matches with many weak opponents. However, there is no chance of a draw in today's match. Since knock out matches. Hopefully Messi will do well today and score a goal to give Argentina the victory.


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 Discussion Thread
Post by: LUCKMCFLY on July 03, 2021, 06:52:44 PM
Yesterday's game between Peru vs Paraguay I thought it was going to be boring, but what a piece of game, I thought Paraguay was going to overtake Peru, but seeing Peru strengthens the further it progresses, now today's game promises a lot, Well, Colombia comes with everything, and on the other hand I think that Cavani will not let himself win for any reason, Uruguay's soccer career is enormous, there are just a few hours left for this game that will be very exciting without a doubt, I personally think that Colombia can to win. In addition, it must be added that when Colombia played against Brazil that goal from Brazil caused a lot of controversy, now I imagine that they will put in a referee with much more experience.


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 Discussion Thread
Post by: JohnBitCo on July 03, 2021, 08:09:26 PM
I hope Argentina will win today by 2-0
I also hope Argentina will win and the parentage of my confidence is more than 90%. And the score could be more than one goal by Ag.

And I ma very curious to Brazil Vs Argentina match in this tournament. Hopefully in Final we will see the match.


It will be a dream final , if it happens.  :)
I can't even imagine the hype and excitement for this final but for that Argentina need to win todays match against Ecuador. Shouldn't be difficult but upsets do happen more often in football.


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 Discussion Thread
Post by: snipie on July 03, 2021, 08:23:05 PM
I hope Argentina will win today by 2-0
I also hope Argentina will win and the parentage of my confidence is more than 90%. And the score could be more than one goal by Ag.

And I ma very curious to Brazil Vs Argentina match in this tournament. Hopefully in Final we will see the match.
It will be a dream final , if it happens.  :)
I can't even imagine the hype and excitement for this final but for that Argentina need to win todays match against Ecuador. Shouldn't be difficult but upsets do happen more often in football.
Argentina @1.6 - Ecuador @7. BTTS yes/no odds are pretty close around 2 and Argentina to qualify around 1.3
Seems like pretty odds, dunno why I failed to find it in Stake. I doubt Ecuador would tackle Argentina honestly and if this happens it would be worse than French team surprising exit!
I am looking forward for Brazil - Argentina meeting in the final game too ;)


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 Discussion Thread
Post by: Joca97 on July 03, 2021, 08:54:03 PM
I hope Argentina will win today by 2-0
I also hope Argentina will win and the parentage of my confidence is more than 90%. And the score could be more than one goal by Ag.

And I ma very curious to Brazil Vs Argentina match in this tournament. Hopefully in Final we will see the match.
It will be a dream final , if it happens.  :)
I can't even imagine the hype and excitement for this final but for that Argentina need to win todays match against Ecuador. Shouldn't be difficult but upsets do happen more often in football.
Argentina @1.6 - Ecuador @7. BTTS yes/no odds are pretty close around 2 and Argentina to qualify around 1.3
Seems like pretty odds, dunno why I failed to find it in Stake. I doubt Ecuador would tackle Argentina honestly and if this happens it would be worse than French team surprising exit!
I am looking forward for Brazil - Argentina meeting in the final game too ;)
Argentina for me is an absolute favorite in this match. I dont think Ecuador can score a goal in this match. I would probobly pick Argentina to win and to score 2 or more goals in this match. Probobly a final between brazil and argentina everyone is expecting that


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 Discussion Thread
Post by: Karartma1 on July 03, 2021, 08:58:51 PM
Messi has the objective of winning a major event for the first time with his own national team, of which he's just become the player with the most appearances, rising to 148 overtaking Javier Mascherano. In the match against Ecuador, Messi should be joined in attack by Lautaro Martinez and Nico Gonzalez.
Ecuador doesn't really look like a problem for the albiceleste and I expect quite a clear win from them, maybe 2-0 or 3-0


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 Discussion Thread
Post by: KTChampions on July 03, 2021, 09:36:45 PM
Argentina is weird, they are sometimes very strong (like now with their 4-1 victory), but they are never constantly strong for several games in a row. Happy to see Messi scoring though, he deserves a big international title. Although Neymar also deserves it although he is quite a bit too much crying on the pitch. Doesn't change the fact that he is an outstanding soccer player.

There is not a single stable team in this championship. The only thing that remains to be hoped for is that both Brazil and Argentina will be in good shape in the final and we will see an interesting game, and not a penalty shootout or a victory of one of the teams with a clear advantage. However, if Urguvay reaches the final and becomes the champion, I will also be pleased.


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 Discussion Thread
Post by: sujonali1819 on July 03, 2021, 10:03:56 PM

Argentina is weird, they are sometimes very strong (like now with their 4-1 victory), but they are never constantly strong for several games in a row. Happy to see Messi scoring though, he deserves a big international title. Although Neymar also deserves it although he is quite a bit too much crying on the pitch. Doesn't change the fact that he is an outstanding soccer player.
You are right. Argentina Play well but they can not keep it for long time. Sometime they win a match with good difference sometime they lose their energy to protect the match. If they can keep the winnings regularly like brazil they could see another world cup in past few world cup s. Only 3 hours left to start todays match. I hope something interested things will be happened todays match.


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 Discussion Thread
Post by: LUCKMCFLY on July 03, 2021, 11:06:48 PM
I think you're right. Argentina are unbeaten in almost 16 matches. They were not defeated. But they have drawn matches with many weak opponents. However, there is no chance of a draw in today's match. Since knock out matches. Hopefully Messi will do well today and score a goal to give Argentina the victory.

You are right, but in these cases Argentina, as it wins games and advances, they become stronger, as it happens in the qualifiers for the World Cup in South America, sometimes the same behavior occurs with Brazil, but when Argentina enters the quarterfinals and semifinals are very strong teams, they even have good luck, some call them "Champion's Luck".

For now Messi has a great commitment to his country and fans, I think this may be the last Copa América that he can play, as well as the last World Cup in QATAR.


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 Discussion Thread
Post by: Rabi3 on July 03, 2021, 11:26:09 PM
Uruguay vs Colombia are now at the 67th minute but still no actual and really dangerous chance from both sides, they're both playing conservatively, this match seems to be going for penalties with 0-0, or maybe a team can steal a goal in the last minutes from a free kick or a corner kick, and if it happened it would be from Uruguay since Colombia seems to be trying to play penalties.


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 Discussion Thread
Post by: BitcoinHunt3r on July 03, 2021, 11:35:58 PM
Uruguay vs Colombia are now at the 67th minute but still no actual and really dangerous chance from both sides, they're both playing conservatively, this match seems to be going for penalties with 0-0, or maybe a team can steal a goal in the last minutes from a free kick or a corner kick, and if it happened it would be from Uruguay since Colombia seems to be trying to play penalties.

Colombia has little control over the game but have not managed to score both teams seem to be playing carefully they don't want to make mistakes therefore the match is not very open. I don't think there was a goal and you're probably right they were targeting the penalty and I favorite Colombia.


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 Discussion Thread
Post by: AndySt on July 03, 2021, 11:37:44 PM
Argentina is weird, they are sometimes very strong (like now with their 4-1 victory), but they are never constantly strong for several games in a row. Happy to see Messi scoring though, he deserves a big international title. Although Neymar also deserves it although he is quite a bit too much crying on the pitch. Doesn't change the fact that he is an outstanding soccer player.
You are right. Argentina Play well but they can not keep it for long time. Sometime they win a match with good difference sometime they lose their energy to protect the match. If they can keep the winnings regularly like brazil they could see another world cup in past few world cup s. Only 3 hours left to start todays match. I hope something interested things will be happened todays match.
Just to have a player of such a level as Messi is a great happiness for any team in the world and any national team, but it can also be a big curse, because the main players clearly do not reach his level, as it happens, for example, in Barcelona. Therefore, for any coach of the national team of Argentina, there is a dilemma: on the one hand, it is a crime not to use a player like Messi, but on the other hand, using such a trump card effectively lacks team resources, but in any case it is necessary to build a team game around Messi.


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 Discussion Thread
Post by: blue Snow on July 04, 2021, 12:01:06 AM
Colombia has little control over the game but have not managed to score both teams seem to be playing carefully they don't want to make mistakes therefore the match is not very open. I don't think there was a goal and you're probably right they were targeting the penalty and I favorite Colombia.
Look very tight match, the team mutual feedback between attacks, duo attacker (Suarez and Cavani) can't do anything, Cavani assists always countered by Colombia defender. The game is live now, Penalty at the moment (until this post 2 -1 for colombia) , my favorite is Uruguay.


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 Discussion Thread
Post by: Saint-loup on July 04, 2021, 12:25:24 AM
Colombia has little control over the game but have not managed to score both teams seem to be playing carefully they don't want to make mistakes therefore the match is not very open. I don't think there was a goal and you're probably right they were targeting the penalty and I favorite Colombia.
Look very tight match, the team mutual feedback between attacks, duo attacker (Suarez and Cavani) can't do anything, Cavani assists always countered by Colombia defender. The game is live now, Penalty at the moment (until this post 2 -1 for colombia) , my favorite is Uruguay.
Unfortunately for your bet Jose Maria Gimenez and Matias Vina (from Uruguay) missed their penalty shoot-outs and Colombia won the match 2-4 and is qualified to the semi-finals. They will meet Argentina or Ecuador.


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 Discussion Thread
Post by: snipie on July 04, 2021, 12:36:17 AM
Colombia has little control over the game but have not managed to score both teams seem to be playing carefully they don't want to make mistakes therefore the match is not very open. I don't think there was a goal and you're probably right they were targeting the penalty and I favorite Colombia.
Look very tight match, the team mutual feedback between attacks, duo attacker (Suarez and Cavani) can't do anything, Cavani assists always countered by Colombia defender. The game is live now, Penalty at the moment (until this post 2 -1 for colombia) , my favorite is Uruguay.
Unfortunately for your bet Jose Maria Gimenez and Matias Vina (from Uruguay) missed their penalty shoot-outs and Colombia won the match 4-2 and is qualified to the semi-finals.
Now that was quite unpredictable, not shocking for sure but seeing Uruguay leaving before semifinals vs Colombia is weird. Although having Suarez and Cavani, they weren't able to score a single goal.
Well better for Argentina to end the match before penalties or else who knows lol!


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 Discussion Thread
Post by: blue Snow on July 04, 2021, 01:10:12 AM
My bad prediction.

Colombia goalkeeper makes Uruguay bring the briefcase quickly, Ospina playing well with a successful catch of the ball from Gimenez and Vina. Bad year for Cavani, he failed to get UEFA Euro league with MU then also failed in Semifinal Copa with the National team either.  He must be thinking to immediately change to a new job, not as a player but as a coach or reporter of television.


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 Discussion Thread
Post by: Swordsoffreedom on July 04, 2021, 02:48:59 AM
I did not expect Uruguay to lose to Colombia. I was betting on Uruguay winning this match. But Uruguay disappointed me and they lost the match. Suarez and Cavani were the only ones to score a penalty kick for Uruguay.

Argentina now has a 2-0 lead in the match between Argentina and Ecuador. What I was guessing has happened. My prediction was that Argentina would win the match 2-0.

Edit :My guess is wrong. Argentina won the match 3-0. Messi scored the third goal on the 90th minute. A great free-kick and a great goal. The great Messi has two assists and one goal.


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 Discussion Thread
Post by: Iranus on July 04, 2021, 03:37:12 AM
I did not expect Uruguay to lose to Colombia. I was betting on Uruguay winning this match. But Uruguay disappointed me and they lost the match. Suarez and Cavani were the only ones to score a penalty kick for Uruguay.

Argentina now has a 2-0 lead in the match between Argentina and Ecuador. What I was guessing has happened. My prediction was that Argentina would win the match 2-0.

Edit :My guess is wrong. Argentina won the match 3-0. Messi scored the third goal on the 90th minute. A great free-kick and a great goal. The great Messi has two assists and one goal.

Messi has played great, while Di Maria is in great form. At the same time Martinez has tried his best to play well. And he has managed to score goals. I expected some better gamplay from Aguero. The next match is against Colombia. A team like Colombia can be easily defeated if all the players in the team are able to play well in their position.


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 Discussion Thread
Post by: FIFA worldcup on July 04, 2021, 05:07:06 AM
I did not expect Uruguay to lose to Colombia. I was betting on Uruguay winning this match. But Uruguay disappointed me and they lost the match. Suarez and Cavani were the only ones to score a penalty kick for Uruguay.

Argentina now has a 2-0 lead in the match between Argentina and Ecuador. What I was guessing has happened. My prediction was that Argentina would win the match 2-0.

Edit :My guess is wrong. Argentina won the match 3-0. Messi scored the third goal on the 90th minute. A great free-kick and a great goal. The great Messi has two assists and one goal.

You were close enough with your perdition of 2-0  Argentina win:)
Messi was too good for the Ecuador and their defense was looking hopeless against the strikes of Messi.

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Copa America without the crowd is sometimes boring to watch. They should have allowed few people in the stadium. Compare it with Euro 2020 and you will see the colors and enthusiasm.


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 Discussion Thread
Post by: LUCKMCFLY on July 04, 2021, 05:09:30 AM
I think that now Colombia vs Argentina is going to be very difficult for Colombia, Argentina is playing a lot, on the other hand in today's game of Brazil vs Peru, Brazil has many more chances to win, if these scenarios occur, we would expect one of the most controversial finals and of the two teams in the world that are strong, the strongest in South America and almost that of the world.

It is not to detract from Peru, but I think that Brazil is far superior and can easily go over it, as Brazil has many stars. It should be noted that Colombia plays very well to Argentina, and that on several occasions Colombia has beaten Argentina, Colombians grow when it comes to Argentina, this match will be very exciting.


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 Discussion Thread
Post by: onecall123 on July 04, 2021, 06:37:37 AM
I did not expect Uruguay to lose to Colombia. I was betting on Uruguay winning this match. But Uruguay disappointed me and they lost the match. Suarez and Cavani were the only ones to score a penalty kick for Uruguay.

Argentina now has a 2-0 lead in the match between Argentina and Ecuador. What I was guessing has happened. My prediction was that Argentina would win the match 2-0.

Edit :My guess is wrong. Argentina won the match 3-0. Messi scored the third goal on the 90th minute. A great free-kick and a great goal. The great Messi has two assists and one goal.

Messi has played great, while Di Maria is in great form. At the same time Martinez has tried his best to play well. And he has managed to score goals. I expected some better gamplay from Aguero. The next match is against Colombia. A team like Colombia can be easily defeated if all the players in the team are able to play well in their position.
Messi proved again, take the victory with two assists and a goal. I'm out of words to describe this Man's greatness! He is free kick master thus Argentina lead the game 3-0 goals. Yeah great performance against Ecuador as a team. Argentina, good luck for the next match, let's win the semi-final and be called to the final with Brazil. Brazil is as yet their greatest danger in this competition.


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 Discussion Thread
Post by: blue Snow on July 04, 2021, 07:39:04 AM
Finally we going to semifinals;

Argentina vs Colombia
Brazil vs Peru


https://i.postimg.cc/j2PrM893/semi.jpg (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2021_Copa_Am%C3%A9rica#Knockout_stage)

As we can see if there are no surprises from Peru and Colombia, Argentina and Brazil will fight in the Final. however, this football nothing for impossible, Colombia at the moment has a good performance. if they survive in 90 minutes, they will make the scenario a penalty. we know how good Ospina, maybe he can't for Messi but he can for others. I think that will be the same scenario with Peru, where both teams advance to the next round by winning on penalties.


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 Discussion Thread
Post by: Saint-loup on July 04, 2021, 08:40:55 AM
Unfortunately for your bet Jose Maria Gimenez and Matias Vina (from Uruguay) missed their penalty shoot-outs and Colombia won the match 4-2 and is qualified to the semi-finals.
Now that was quite unpredictable, not shocking for sure but seeing Uruguay leaving before semifinals vs Colombia is weird. Although having Suarez and Cavani, they weren't able to score a single goal.
Well better for Argentina to end the match before penalties or else who knows lol!
Yes it has been a little bit shocking to see Suarez and Cavani not being able to score one single goal but you shouldn't underestimate Colombia, it's a strong team. They didn't qualify to quarter-finals by chance and we should respect them. Well I don't think it was unpredictable at all because I had bet on them to be honest (and won  :P)
https://i.ibb.co/JrQxnjC/uruguay-colombia.png


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 Discussion Thread
Post by: snipie on July 04, 2021, 09:09:32 AM
Unfortunately for your bet Jose Maria Gimenez and Matias Vina (from Uruguay) missed their penalty shoot-outs and Colombia won the match 4-2 and is qualified to the semi-finals.
Now that was quite unpredictable, not shocking for sure but seeing Uruguay leaving before semifinals vs Colombia is weird. Although having Suarez and Cavani, they weren't able to score a single goal.
Well better for Argentina to end the match before penalties or else who knows lol!
Yes it has been a little bit shocking to see Suarez and Cavani not being able to score one single goal but you shouldn't underestimate Colombia, it's a strong team. They didn't qualify to quarter-finals by chance and we should respect them. Well I don't think it was unpredictable at all because I had bet on them to be honest (and won  :P)
https://i.ibb.co/JrQxnjC/uruguay-colombia.png (https://i.ibb.co/JrQxnjC/uruguay-colombia.png)
Congrats, that was good :)
Betting for the underdog teams in Copa America doesn't disappoint after all. Surely Colombia is a good team but didn't expect them to kick Uruguay. I didn't place any bet in this match since I believe both teams are playing close football and everything could happen.
Now we have Brazil - Peru, limited betting options, except maybe Brazil to win first half and odd/even.
Colombia @4.9 - Argentina @1.8 isn't bad though and I see other good odds options.


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 Discussion Thread
Post by: UmerIdrees on July 04, 2021, 09:24:38 AM
https://i.imgur.com/Ts3pJgt.png

Any guess which of these teams will win the COPA America. Its hard to choose between Brazil and Argentina  ???


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 Discussion Thread
Post by: Saint-loup on July 04, 2021, 09:52:27 AM
Unfortunately for your bet Jose Maria Gimenez and Matias Vina (from Uruguay) missed their penalty shoot-outs and Colombia won the match 4-2 and is qualified to the semi-finals.
Now that was quite unpredictable, not shocking for sure but seeing Uruguay leaving before semifinals vs Colombia is weird. Although having Suarez and Cavani, they weren't able to score a single goal.
Well better for Argentina to end the match before penalties or else who knows lol!
Yes it has been a little bit shocking to see Suarez and Cavani not being able to score one single goal but you shouldn't underestimate Colombia, it's a strong team. They didn't qualify to quarter-finals by chance and we should respect them. Well I don't think it was unpredictable at all because I had bet on them to be honest (and won  :P)
https://i.ibb.co/JrQxnjC/uruguay-colombia.png (https://i.ibb.co/JrQxnjC/uruguay-colombia.png)
Congrats, that was good :)
Betting for the underdog teams in Copa America doesn't disappoint after all. Surely Colombia is a good team but didn't expect them to kick Uruguay. I didn't place any bet in this match since I believe both teams are playing close football and everything could happen.
Now we have Brazil - Peru, limited betting options, except maybe Brazil to win first half and odd/even.
Colombia @4.9 - Argentina @1.8 isn't bad though and I see other good odds options.
Thank you bro  ;) but that's the odds from which sportsbook please? I don't see them on Stake. On Stake Colombia is above that, at @5.40 and Argentina is at @1.77, on the 1x2 market. But don't forget the promotion one goal scored in the first 15minutes = selection paid out as a winner is still running, so if you are betting on Stake it's also interesting to guess which team is able to score early and to take that into account to place your bet.


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 Discussion Thread
Post by: slaman29 on July 04, 2021, 10:18:21 AM
Messi has the objective of winning a major event for the first time with his own national team, of which he's just become the player with the most appearances, rising to 148 overtaking Javier Mascherano. In the match against Ecuador, Messi should be joined in attack by Lautaro Martinez and Nico Gonzalez.
Ecuador doesn't really look like a problem for the albiceleste and I expect quite a clear win from them, maybe 2-0 or 3-0

Wow this makes me feel totally so old thinking about Mascherano and Messi who actually used to play together even.

I saw some comments all talking about players diving in the match but that's Copa for you, who's surprised anyway haha.

Suarez finally out, that team was never going to make it far but it seems at least Argentina is making themselves look better and better with each passing game. Should easily get past Colombia now.


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 Discussion Thread
Post by: snipie on July 04, 2021, 10:38:37 AM
-snip-
Thank you bro  ;) but that's the odds from which sportsbook please? I don't see them on Stake. On Stake Colombia is above that, at @5.40 and Argentina is at @1.77, on the 1x2 market. But don't forget the promotion one goal scored in the first 15minutes = selection paid out as a winner is still running, so if you are betting on Stake it's also interesting to guess which team is able to score early and to take that into account to place your bet.
Those odds are from Sportsbet, I use it to have an idea about odds whenever I fail to find the game in Stake. Sometimes I cannot find important games in Stake days before the event, maybe it is related to my mobile browser? I preferred to see Copa America and EURO games sticked in top.. Anyway I use Stake for betting few hours before the game or after it starts and yeah I am aware of the promotion, thanks :)


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 Discussion Thread
Post by: FIFA worldcup on July 04, 2021, 11:20:23 AM
-snip-
Thank you bro  ;) but that's the odds from which sportsbook please? I don't see them on Stake. On Stake Colombia is above that, at @5.40 and Argentina is at @1.77, on the 1x2 market. But don't forget the promotion one goal scored in the first 15minutes = selection paid out as a winner is still running, so if you are betting on Stake it's also interesting to guess which team is able to score early and to take that into account to place your bet.
Those odds are from Sportsbet, I use it to have an idea about odds whenever I fail to find the game in Stake. Sometimes I cannot find important games in Stake days before the event, maybe it is related to my mobile browser? I preferred to see Copa America and EURO games sticked in top.. Anyway I use Stake for betting few hours before the game or after it starts and yeah I am aware of the promotion, thanks :)

If you search the google for the odds you will find many different sites which shows the odds for the match. It will help you decide which team you can bet on and on which platform.

For example, here are the two most popular links.

https://www.oddschecker.com/football/copa-america

https://www.cbssports.com/


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 Discussion Thread
Post by: MusaMohamed on July 04, 2021, 11:27:57 AM
Messi help Argentina to have another semi final in Coppa America. This year is a weird season and you can not find any player who has outstanding performance over the whole season.

Kane has a good season in Spurs but no title and even can not end in top four. He still has chance in Euro.
Ronaldo has a good season with many goals but fail in Champions League and Serie A. Out of Euro with 5 goals and 1 assist.
Messi has Coppa del Rey but failed in La Liga. He still is fighting in Coppa America.
Mbappe failed in Ligue I and Champions League as well as Euro. Very terrible performance in Euro.
It will be a chaotic year to find the best player of the year.


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 Discussion Thread
Post by: KTChampions on July 04, 2021, 12:27:11 PM
Now that was quite unpredictable, not shocking for sure but seeing Uruguay leaving before semifinals vs Colombia is weird. Although having Suarez and Cavani, they weren't able to score a single goal.
Well better for Argentina to end the match before penalties or else who knows lol!

It will be funny if Brazil loses to Peru (I would not be surprised if this happens since any result can happen in this competition) and thus we will be deprived of the epic final Brazil - Argentina. In fact, it will be sad. So I will hopefully see at least one top game here, and I wonder in advance how the bookmakers will evaluate the Brazil - Argentina pair.


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 Discussion Thread
Post by: Iranus on July 04, 2021, 12:43:22 PM
I did not expect Uruguay to lose to Colombia. I was betting on Uruguay winning this match. But Uruguay disappointed me and they lost the match. Suarez and Cavani were the only ones to score a penalty kick for Uruguay.

Argentina now has a 2-0 lead in the match between Argentina and Ecuador. What I was guessing has happened. My prediction was that Argentina would win the match 2-0.

Edit :My guess is wrong. Argentina won the match 3-0. Messi scored the third goal on the 90th minute. A great free-kick and a great goal. The great Messi has two assists and one goal.

Messi has played great, while Di Maria is in great form. At the same time Martinez has tried his best to play well. And he has managed to score goals. I expected some better gamplay from Aguero. The next match is against Colombia. A team like Colombia can be easily defeated if all the players in the team are able to play well in their position.
Messi proved again, take the victory with two assists and a goal. I'm out of words to describe this Man's greatness! He is free kick master thus Argentina lead the game 3-0 goals. Yeah great performance against Ecuador as a team. Argentina, good luck for the next match, let's win the semi-final and be called to the final with Brazil. Brazil is as yet their greatest danger in this competition.

We have seen tremendous performances from Messi in every match of Copa America this season. At the same time, other players of the Argentine team have performed well. If they do such an outstanding performance in the upcoming matches, maybe they will win the title. But expect a better game from Aguero. He has not been able to play well yet.


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 Discussion Thread
Post by: kro55 on July 04, 2021, 01:46:04 PM
I did not expect Uruguay to lose to Colombia. I was betting on Uruguay winning this match. But Uruguay disappointed me and they lost the match. Suarez and Cavani were the only ones to score a penalty kick for Uruguay.
Argentina now has a 2-0 lead in the match between Argentina and Ecuador. What I was guessing has happened. My prediction was that Argentina would win the match 2-0.
Edit :My guess is wrong. Argentina won the match 3-0. Messi scored the third goal on the 90th minute. A great free-kick and a great goal. The great Messi has two assists and one goal.
Messi has played great, while Di Maria is in great form. At the same time Martinez has tried his best to play well. And he has managed to score goals. I expected some better gamplay from Aguero. The next match is against Colombia. A team like Colombia can be easily defeated if all the players in the team are able to play well in their position.
Messi proved again, take the victory with two assists and a goal. I'm out of words to describe this Man's greatness! He is free kick master thus Argentina lead the game 3-0 goals. Yeah great performance against Ecuador as a team. Argentina, good luck for the next match, let's win the semi-final and be called to the final with Brazil. Brazil is as yet their greatest danger in this competition.
We have seen tremendous performances from Messi in every match of Copa America this season. At the same time, other players of the Argentine team have performed well. If they do such an outstanding performance in the upcoming matches, maybe they will win the title. But expect a better game from Aguero. He has not been able to play well yet.

Argentina has played 5 matches in the Copa America this season, and they have managed to score 10 goals in 5 matches. The important thing is that Messi has contributed 8 goals in these 10 goals. Messi has scored 4 goals and 4 assists. From this, it is easy to guess what form Messi is in now, and how much the Argentine team depends on Messi. Aguero and Martinez should perform better, not just rely on Messi.


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 Discussion Thread
Post by: MusaMohamed on July 04, 2021, 01:57:36 PM
It will be funny if Brazil loses to Peru (I would not be surprised if this happens since any result can happen in this competition) and thus we will be deprived of the epic final Brazil - Argentina. In fact, it will be sad. So I will hopefully see at least one top game here, and I wonder in advance how the bookmakers will evaluate the Brazil - Argentina pair.
It will be a super El Classico of Coppa America. In the past, Argentina with Riquelme lost in a final against Brazil with Kaka.

I don't remember in what year but about more than ten years ago.

Messi will be a good candidate for Ballon Dor if he can help Argentina win a big title after many years. It will depend on the best player in Euro that is in progress too.

If Kane and England win the Euro, it will be a very exciting Ballon Dor competition next year.


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 Discussion Thread
Post by: Saint-loup on July 04, 2021, 02:34:22 PM
Thank you bro  ;) but that's the odds from which sportsbook please? I don't see them on Stake. On Stake Colombia is above that, at @5.40 and Argentina is at @1.77, on the 1x2 market. But don't forget the promotion one goal scored in the first 15minutes = selection paid out as a winner is still running, so if you are betting on Stake it's also interesting to guess which team is able to score early and to take that into account to place your bet.
Those odds are from Sportsbet, I use it to have an idea about odds whenever I fail to find the game in Stake. Sometimes I cannot find important games in Stake days before the event, maybe it is related to my mobile browser? I preferred to see Copa America and EURO games sticked in top.. Anyway I use Stake for betting few hours before the game or after it starts and yeah I am aware of the promotion, thanks :)
No problem bro, you're free to use whatever sportsbook you want, I'm not your BM lol  ;) Well I wasn't aware differences could be so large between Sportsbet and Stake.

If you search the google for the odds you will find many different sites which shows the odds for the match. It will help you decide which team you can bet on and on which platform.

For example, here are the two most popular links.

https://www.oddschecker.com/football/copa-america

https://www.cbssports.com/
Yes I think most of us are already using oddschecker but I don't find the odds comparator in your second link. It's a better comparator than oddschecker? Do you know by chance a comparator keeping the odds after the end of the matches because oddschecker deletes them.
I'm using betexplorer.com for that but only few sports are available there unfortunately.


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 Discussion Thread
Post by: mv1986 on July 04, 2021, 02:47:51 PM

BTW what do you think about Argentina vs Ecuador match? Only 13 hours left to start the game.

I don't think anything but the victory of Argentina. Moreover, Ecuador is not a strong team. Ecuador could not win any match in the Group stage. Moreover, Ecuador has lost 4 of the last 5 matches head-to-head against Argentina. In the last 5 matches, Ecuador has conceded 12 goals from Argentina. I hope Argentina will win today by 2-0

Argentina is weird, they are sometimes very strong (like now with their 4-1 victory), but they are never constantly strong for several games in a row. Happy to see Messi scoring though, he deserves a big international title. Although Neymar also deserves it although he is quite a bit too much crying on the pitch. Doesn't change the fact that he is an outstanding soccer player.

I think you're right. Argentina are unbeaten in almost 16 matches. They were not defeated. But they have drawn matches with many weak opponents. However, there is no chance of a draw in today's match. Since knock out matches. Hopefully Messi will do well today and score a goal to give Argentina the victory.

Finally Messi did very well. Typical free kick, but his free kicks are like penalties anyway. I always find it unbelievable how much drill he puts into the ball. It looks like he is going to hit the middle of the goal, but then the drill comes into play and puts it right into an upper angle. Well played.

It looks a lot like the dream final is becoming a reality and Messi will face Neymar!


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 Discussion Thread
Post by: uneng on July 04, 2021, 03:17:44 PM
I guess the final is going to be Brazil versus Argentina (or would it be Neymar versus Messi?). Brazil should take Peru down relatively easy and Argentina will most probably win against Colombia if Messi keeps carrying the team on his back. Although Colombia isn't an easy adversary like Peru.

Well, so far this cup hasn't presented any surprises. The favorites are the ones going to dispute the trophy at the finals.
In times like this it's really hard to be focused on sports, so it might be the reason why so many players besides the main idols haven't shown an impressing performance during the games.


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 Discussion Thread
Post by: hahay on July 04, 2021, 03:46:04 PM
I thought Uruguay had the ability to qualify for the semi-finals but what happened was Cavani and Suarez wasted a lot of chances. Until finally the match was decided on penalties and I was only surprised by the performance from Ospina but otherwise, even though Cavani and Suarez could have scored goals in the shootout I was still disappointed with his game during normal time. However, both teams have equally great goalkeepers and that is also what makes it difficult for both teams to score goals in normal time.


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 Discussion Thread
Post by: Maidak on July 04, 2021, 03:58:54 PM
I thought Uruguay had the ability to qualify for the semi-finals but what happened was Cavani and Suarez wasted a lot of chances. Until finally the match was decided on penalties and I was only surprised by the performance from Ospina but otherwise, even though Cavani and Suarez could have scored goals in the shootout I was still disappointed with his game during normal time. However, both teams have equally great goalkeepers and that is also what makes it difficult for both teams to score goals in normal time.

Uruguay should have scored in 90 match time. Edinson Cavani and Suarez are great players. Athletico Madrid have won this season with the help of Suarez. It seems that bonding with other players in the team is not good. Uruguay did not perform as expected in a single match.


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 Discussion Thread
Post by: Swordsoffreedom on July 04, 2021, 05:18:01 PM
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Edit :My guess is wrong. Argentina won the match 3-0. Messi scored the third goal on the 90th minute. A great free-kick and a great goal. The great Messi has two assists and one goal.

Messi has played great, while Di Maria is in great form. At the same time Martinez has tried his best to play well. And he has managed to score goals. I expected some better gamplay from Aguero. The next match is against Colombia. A team like Colombia can be easily defeated if all the players in the team are able to play well in their position.
Messi proved again, take the victory with two assists and a goal. I'm out of words to describe this Man's greatness! He is free kick master thus Argentina lead the game 3-0 goals. Yeah great performance against Ecuador as a team. Argentina, good luck for the next match, let's win the semi-final and be called to the final with Brazil. Brazil is as yet their greatest danger in this competition.

Messi has played well in all Copa America matches. He has contributed to every victory of the team. And in the match against Ecuador, he proved that he is one of the best players in the world. Argentina will win this Copa America if they can maintain that form in the upcoming matches.


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 Discussion Thread
Post by: skarais on July 04, 2021, 05:23:05 PM
I guess the final is going to be Brazil versus Argentina (or would it be Neymar versus Messi?).
It is very likely that Argentina and Brazil will reach the final this year. So far I see Argentina quite promising throughout this competition and that should be a good chance to win the title. I don't know if Argentina will still get the curse without a title, but based on what I see they deserve to win it more than anyone if they make it to the final. For the Argentina vs Colombia match, I hope they will win. Hopefully this time Messi can give maximum contribution to his country and win the title.



Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 Discussion Thread
Post by: famososMuertos on July 04, 2021, 08:43:50 PM
Paraguay stayed out my final draw, in fact the teams where there was no clear favorite ended up on penalties, Brazil and Argentina did their homework. Although I have in my parley and I would bet with anyone for Argentina I would have my bet limit, because Colombia as usual does not know when it will play incredibly well, I think that in this match James Rodriguez will be a great absence, so although my favorite is Argentina, this is a match with a reserved forecast.

My additional bet in these semifinals; we will not have penalties, they will be resolved in regulation time.


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 Discussion Thread
Post by: acquafredda on July 04, 2021, 09:12:49 PM
The Estadio Nacional Mané Garrincha in Brasilia is about to host another quarterfinal of the 47th edition of the Copa America. It will be an interesting match between two prestigious national teams that have so far completed opposite paths in this competition.
The matche between Colombia and Uruguay, in short, could be quite eventful. The Uruguayan national team often manages to be solid and compact. It will be difficult to see a challenge characterized by a great number of goals. The Colombian selection, unconvincing in the last games, appears as the underdog for the game. Uruguay should at least avoid defeat during the regular 90', which will likely feature at least one goal on each side, but no more than three goals overall.
Uruguay looks me better equipped to go forward.
I got this game completely wrong. A very balanced game and I would not expect the Colombians to be able to reach the semi finals. Penalty kicks are always unknown and this time the Uruguayans arrived exhausted and tired to the last decisive moments in which it is necessary to stay focused to score every penalty.
Now, I want to see what Colombia can do in the semifinal vs. Argentina.


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 Discussion Thread
Post by: logfiles on July 04, 2021, 09:31:57 PM
The Brazil Vs Argentina Final seems to be shaping up well. I am not ruling out Colombia and Peru at the moment, but I would love a finial between the other 2 arch rivals. Sadly, I haven't been able to watch most match in the tournament because they Air during the times I am not available.

If Kane and England win the Euro, it will be a very exciting Ballon Dor competition next year.
Kane for Ballon D'or? Let's wait and see


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 Discussion Thread
Post by: BitcoinHunt3r on July 04, 2021, 11:32:51 PM
The Brazil Vs Argentina Final seems to be shaping up well. I am not ruling out Colombia and Peru at the moment, but I would love a finial between the other 2 arch rivals. Sadly, I haven't been able to watch most match in the tournament because they Air during the times I am not available.


Yes it would be an ideal final and now both teams are on the right track, actually I favor Brazil as champions but I also see Argentina playing aggressively
In the last 2 matches Argentina won by a score of more than 2 goals while Brazil won with a low score, now i can't predict who is more worthy to be champion.


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 Discussion Thread
Post by: Slow death on July 04, 2021, 11:34:56 PM
argentina once again surprised me, they played very well against ecuador and could have ended the game while they scored more than 4 goals, i still can't believe messi failed to score when it was just him alone against the ecuador goalkeeper. one thing I've been wondering until now:

that second goal from argentina, it seemed to me that argentina made a foul against the ecuador defender and the referee was wrong by not having called a foul in my opinion

another thing was that third goal, honestly it seemed that Di María had the speed of usain bolt, and that messi shot could be saved by the ecuador goalkeeper


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 Discussion Thread
Post by: Rabi3 on July 04, 2021, 11:47:20 PM
I did not expect Uruguay to lose to Colombia. I was betting on Uruguay winning this match. But Uruguay disappointed me and they lost the match. Suarez and Cavani were the only ones to score a penalty kick for Uruguay.

Argentina now has a 2-0 lead in the match between Argentina and Ecuador. What I was guessing has happened. My prediction was that Argentina would win the match 2-0.

Edit :My guess is wrong. Argentina won the match 3-0. Messi scored the third goal on the 90th minute. A great free-kick and a great goal. The great Messi has two assists and one goal.

Messi has played great, while Di Maria is in great form. At the same time Martinez has tried his best to play well. And he has managed to score goals. I expected some better gamplay from Aguero. The next match is against Colombia. A team like Colombia can be easily defeated if all the players in the team are able to play well in their position.
i think Argentina will for sure get to the final, Colombia don't not have what it takes to beat Argentina this year, with all my respect to Colombia, but it won't be easy for Argentina, they have to perform really good, they missed a lot of chances against Ecuador, even though they won 3-0, they should be more focused in the next match to qualify and hopefully win it this year.


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 Discussion Thread
Post by: kro55 on July 05, 2021, 05:29:36 AM
I did not expect Uruguay to lose to Colombia. I was betting on Uruguay winning this match. But Uruguay disappointed me and they lost the match. Suarez and Cavani were the only ones to score a penalty kick for Uruguay.
Argentina now has a 2-0 lead in the match between Argentina and Ecuador. What I was guessing has happened. My prediction was that Argentina would win the match 2-0.
Edit :My guess is wrong. Argentina won the match 3-0. Messi scored the third goal on the 90th minute. A great free-kick and a great goal. The great Messi has two assists and one goal.
Messi has played great, while Di Maria is in great form. At the same time Martinez has tried his best to play well. And he has managed to score goals. I expected some better gamplay from Aguero. The next match is against Colombia. A team like Colombia can be easily defeated if all the players in the team are able to play well in their position.
i think Argentina will for sure get to the final, Colombia don't not have what it takes to beat Argentina this year, with all my respect to Colombia, but it won't be easy for Argentina, they have to perform really good, they missed a lot of chances against Ecuador, even though they won 3-0, they should be more focused in the next match to qualify and hopefully win it this year.

Don't be overconfident. I am Argentinian fan too. The Colombian team is not bad. They have won against Uruguay, Uruguay is not a weaker team. Colombia played 90 minutes to draw the match. And in the end they are able to achieve their goal and able to draw the match. They won the match and have now reached the semi-finals. Colombia will play defensively against Argentina. But they can counterattack very well. Argentina defenders need to be very vigilant.


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 Discussion Thread
Post by: blue Snow on July 05, 2021, 06:03:42 AM
The Brazil Vs Argentina Final seems to be shaping up well. I am not ruling out Colombia and Peru at the moment, but I would love a finial between the other 2 arch rivals. Sadly, I haven't been able to watch most match in the tournament because they Air during the times I am not available.
Yes it would be an ideal final and now both teams are on the right track, actually I favor Brazil as champions but I also see Argentina playing aggressively
In the last 2 matches Argentina won by a score of more than 2 goals while Brazil won with a low score, now i can't predict who is more worthy to be champion.
However, Argentina only depends on one person, Messi. That makes the teams get in big trouble if they do not change the strategy. Neymar knows that because has together in past (Barcelona), he can lock him. Possible Neymar will stick him and Brazil change the formation on front.


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 Discussion Thread
Post by: slaman29 on July 05, 2021, 08:50:40 AM
I thought Uruguay had the ability to qualify for the semi-finals but what happened was Cavani and Suarez wasted a lot of chances. Until finally the match was decided on penalties and I was only surprised by the performance from Ospina but otherwise, even though Cavani and Suarez could have scored goals in the shootout I was still disappointed with his game during normal time. However, both teams have equally great goalkeepers and that is also what makes it difficult for both teams to score goals in normal time.

I guess a lot of us saw it from the past matches. They had plenty of time to correct their mistakes from the group stages, but if they continued to play like that (miss chances) then they would for sure get out. Bad on me to keep predicting for them but it is what it is. I guess this was just a really long season for both of them and full of emotions. That saps all the strength out of you for a tournament like this.

So it's Game On Brazil Argentina!


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 Discussion Thread
Post by: swogerino on July 05, 2021, 09:40:55 AM
Most likely it is going to be Brazil vs Argentina in the final as everyone expect it to be as the eternal rivals from South America facing each other.However Colombia is a great team and has showed it during all the tournament while for Peru I think it is here mostly because of luck.Colombia can make surprises and can cause the final to be another one and not Brazil vs Argentina.So we may see a Brazil vs Colombia final as for Peru I am 100% sure it will be eliminated in the game against Brazil.


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 Discussion Thread
Post by: KTChampions on July 05, 2021, 09:47:51 AM
It will be funny if Brazil loses to Peru (I would not be surprised if this happens since any result can happen in this competition) and thus we will be deprived of the epic final Brazil - Argentina. In fact, it will be sad. So I will hopefully see at least one top game here, and I wonder in advance how the bookmakers will evaluate the Brazil - Argentina pair.
It will be a super El Classico of Coppa America. In the past, Argentina with Riquelme lost in a final against Brazil with Kaka.

I don't remember in what year but about more than ten years ago.

Messi will be a good candidate for Ballon Dor if he can help Argentina win a big title after many years. It will depend on the best player in Euro that is in progress too.

If Kane and England win the Euro, it will be a very exciting Ballon Dor competition next year.

Oh please don't start it  :D
Messi has not won anything with the club this year and has not shown anything special in the game. Even if Argentina wins the Copa America now, we must not forget that this is in fact a third-rate competition, which can hardly be considered as a tournament, a good game in which can be an argument for awarding the Ballon Dor.


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 Discussion Thread
Post by: Karartma1 on July 05, 2021, 10:57:59 AM
In the quarterfinals, Peru eliminated Paraguay on penalties. Regular game had ended at 3-3. Gustavo Gomez gave the Paraguayan selection the illusion of an early lead. Then he put the team in trouble with an own goal and an expulsion, which came after the momentary 2-1 Peruvian goal, signed by Lapadula. Lots of emotions characterized the second half: Junior Alonso rebalanced the situation, Yoshimar Yotun put Peru back ahead, Carrillo got himself sent off and also left Gareca's team in ten, Gabriel Avalos again restored parity. Then, as mentioned, Paraguay surrendered from the eleven meters.
The dream may stop there as I think Brazil's gonna win easily against Peru.


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 Discussion Thread
Post by: casperBGD on July 05, 2021, 11:16:33 AM
~snip
The dream may stop there as I think Brazil's gonna win easily against Peru.

Peru was much better than Paraguay, but conceived goals near the end, and had to go through penalties
Brazil is too much for them, especially due to home field

Argentina and Colombia is a more interesting semi-final, and I think Colombia would go-through, they kicked Uruguay on penalties, and have a chance of their own to get the title, Argentina does not have team-spirit, and that is highly desirable to play against rivals like Colombia in kick-out competition phase


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 Discussion Thread
Post by: Maidak on July 05, 2021, 01:57:46 PM
Argentina and Colombia is a more interesting semi-final, and I think Colombia would go-through, they kicked Uruguay on penalties, and have a chance of their own to get the title, Argentina does not have team-spirit, and that is highly desirable to play against rivals like Colombia in kick-out competition phase

I don't think you have seen the performance of Argentina's past matches. Argentina as a team is much more stable now. They have scored 3 goals in the previous match with the help of Messi. We all knew Argentina's defense was weak. They have made the defense stronger now than ever before. They have conceded just two goals in five Copa America matches.


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 Discussion Thread
Post by: uneng on July 05, 2021, 03:44:23 PM
Argentina and Colombia is a more interesting semi-final, and I think Colombia would go-through, they kicked Uruguay on penalties, and have a chance of their own to get the title, Argentina does not have team-spirit, and that is highly desirable to play against rivals like Colombia in kick-out competition phase

I don't think you have seen the performance of Argentina's past matches. Argentina as a team is much more stable now. They have scored 3 goals in the previous match with the help of Messi. We all knew Argentina's defense was weak. They have made the defense stronger now than ever before. They have conceded just two goals in five Copa America matches.
Argentinians are maybe smug towards another latin countries and sometimes lack sportsmanship, however not among themselves and not that much nowadays. I remember decades ago the rivality was too much stronger, which created a lot of conflicts between the players from Argentina against their rivals and between the different crowds. But the team itself plays well together and cooperatively around Messi's figure.
As I see Messi is a must for the team, without him Argentina doesn't go too far, but it doesn't mean he is selfish, since he helped a lot his teammates to score and build strategies during the last match against Equador. That is a good indicator at their favour.


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 Discussion Thread
Post by: MusaMohamed on July 05, 2021, 04:32:49 PM
Oh please don't start it  :D
Messi has not won anything with the club this year and has not shown anything special in the game. Even if Argentina wins the Copa America now, we must not forget that this is in fact a third-rate competition, which can hardly be considered as a tournament, a good game in which can be an argument for awarding the Ballon Dor.
I am not Messi fan but it is a general situation for personal title competition among best players. None of them have a smooth season from beginning to the end, none of them win two or three trophies. Their performance in Euro or Coppa America will be key. I know Coppa America is not as big as Euro but is one of biggest continental tournament.

Messi is playing well in this Coppa and in La Liga, last season he played too well in the second half even it does not enough to win La Liga.

I think if he wins Coppa America that can be the only one national trophy for him, he can get Ballon Dor with support from media, fans, etc.


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 Discussion Thread
Post by: BitcoinHunt3r on July 05, 2021, 04:49:35 PM
Oh please don't start it  :D
Messi has not won anything with the club this year and has not shown anything special in the game. Even if Argentina wins the Copa America now, we must not forget that this is in fact a third-rate competition, which can hardly be considered as a tournament, a good game in which can be an argument for awarding the Ballon Dor.
I am not Messi fan but it is a general situation for personal title competition among best players. None of them have a smooth season from beginning to the end, none of them win two or three trophies. Their performance in Euro or Coppa America will be key. I know Coppa America is not as big as Euro but is one of biggest continental tournament.

Messi is playing well in this Coppa and in La Liga, last season he played too well in the second half even it does not enough to win La Liga.

I think if he wins Coppa America that can be the only one national trophy for him, he can get Ballon Dor with support from media, fans, etc.

Yes, Messi only has a chance at the Copa America after failing in various competitions with his club, so far messi put the top scorer in the copa america
It will be a point for him if he manages to bring Argentina to the tournament champion.


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 Discussion Thread
Post by: mv1986 on July 05, 2021, 05:21:54 PM
 :-X
Oh please don't start it  :D
Messi has not won anything with the club this year and has not shown anything special in the game. Even if Argentina wins the Copa America now, we must not forget that this is in fact a third-rate competition, which can hardly be considered as a tournament, a good game in which can be an argument for awarding the Ballon Dor.
I am not Messi fan but it is a general situation for personal title competition among best players. None of them have a smooth season from beginning to the end, none of them win two or three trophies. Their performance in Euro or Coppa America will be key. I know Coppa America is not as big as Euro but is one of biggest continental tournament.

Messi is playing well in this Coppa and in La Liga, last season he played too well in the second half even it does not enough to win La Liga.

I think if he wins Coppa America that can be the only one national trophy for him, he can get Ballon Dor with support from media, fans, etc.

Yes, Messi only has a chance at the Copa America after failing in various competitions with his club, so far messi put the top scorer in the copa america
It will be a point for him if he manages to bring Argentina to the tournament champion.

It is not only a point for Messi, it is a life mission. He always failed in the finals and he is desperate to win a title with Argentina. I seriously hope he does win it. I don't understand people who judge him by that title, for me he is the best anyway. If judgment would be about an international title, those who argue that wa would have to mention the best player of the world is always one of the team that becomes world champion or European champion.


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 Discussion Thread
Post by: BitcoinHunt3r on July 05, 2021, 05:46:44 PM
:-X
Oh please don't start it  :D
Messi has not won anything with the club this year and has not shown anything special in the game. Even if Argentina wins the Copa America now, we must not forget that this is in fact a third-rate competition, which can hardly be considered as a tournament, a good game in which can be an argument for awarding the Ballon Dor.
I am not Messi fan but it is a general situation for personal title competition among best players. None of them have a smooth season from beginning to the end, none of them win two or three trophies. Their performance in Euro or Coppa America will be key. I know Coppa America is not as big as Euro but is one of biggest continental tournament.

Messi is playing well in this Coppa and in La Liga, last season he played too well in the second half even it does not enough to win La Liga.

I think if he wins Coppa America that can be the only one national trophy for him, he can get Ballon Dor with support from media, fans, etc.

Yes, Messi only has a chance at the Copa America after failing in various competitions with his club, so far messi put the top scorer in the copa america
It will be a point for him if he manages to bring Argentina to the tournament champion.

It is not only a point for Messi, it is a life mission. He always failed in the finals and he is desperate to win a title with Argentina. I seriously hope he does win it. I don't understand people who judge him by that title, for me he is the best anyway. If judgment would be about an international title, those who argue that wa would have to mention the best player of the world is always one of the team that becomes world champion or European champion.

Well right this is messi mission maybe this is the last time he plays for Argentina before he retires of course he wants to give the best for his country
But that's the truth, a player is considered the best player if he manages to give the title This is a kind of calculation that has been around for a long time


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 Discussion Thread
Post by: DU18 on July 05, 2021, 05:52:27 PM


It is not only a point for Messi, it is a life mission. He always failed in the finals and he is desperate to win a title with Argentina. I seriously hope he does win it. I don't understand people who judge him by that title, for me he is the best anyway. If judgment would be about an international title, those who argue that wa would have to mention the best player of the world is always one of the team that becomes world champion or European champion.

This year Copa is a competition that is quite important for Messi, especially now that Argentina has reached the semifinals and of course Messi will give everything to make Argentina win this year  Copa, especially now that Messi is 34 years old and maybe he only has two national competitions to win the title  first time champion which is difficult to win with argentina national team, because we know that messi is a player who has won many titles for his club, but to win with national team he never managed to do it and seems to face a curse, Messi has never won even though argentina several times to the finals.
In my opinion, the best players are not only measured by their personal and club achievements, but achievements for the country are also the benchmark for a footballer to prove if they really deserve to be the best players and legends in the future.


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 Discussion Thread
Post by: Saint-loup on July 05, 2021, 06:01:05 PM
I did not expect Uruguay to lose to Colombia. I was betting on Uruguay winning this match. But Uruguay disappointed me and they lost the match. Suarez and Cavani were the only ones to score a penalty kick for Uruguay.

Argentina now has a 2-0 lead in the match between Argentina and Ecuador. What I was guessing has happened. My prediction was that Argentina would win the match 2-0.

Edit :My guess is wrong. Argentina won the match 3-0. Messi scored the third goal on the 90th minute. A great free-kick and a great goal. The great Messi has two assists and one goal.
Messi has played great, while Di Maria is in great form. At the same time Martinez has tried his best to play well. And he has managed to score goals. I expected some better gamplay from Aguero. The next match is against Colombia. A team like Colombia can be easily defeated if all the players in the team are able to play well in their position.
i think Argentina will for sure get to the final, Colombia don't not have what it takes to beat Argentina this year, with all my respect to Colombia, but it won't be easy for Argentina, they have to perform really good, they missed a lot of chances against Ecuador, even though they won 3-0, they should be more focused in the next match to qualify and hopefully win it this year.
You are paradoxical, you say it won't be easy for Argentina and they need to focus on the match and to perform very well but on the other hand you are sure they will win the match. You've already bet against Colombia at their previous match against Uruguay and you've lost your bet so I think you're just biased against them. Colombia has a great goalkeeper David Ospina, so I think they can defeat Argentina. Anyway a final Brazil vs Colombia would be great.


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 Discussion Thread
Post by: RapTarX on July 05, 2021, 06:23:05 PM
Worth taking a risk for Peru? The odd seems good although in the first round, Brazil had a 4-0 win over Peru. But it’s Semi final and we may see some unexpected event. I'm probably going for Peru to win and both team to score; not sure about the first one though.
Don't you think it’s too much underestimating? Now I got remembered the PSG vs Man U match on last year.

https://i.ibb.co/161KwYJ/IMG-20210706-001904.jpg


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 Discussion Thread
Post by: Slow death on July 05, 2021, 06:54:01 PM
Brazil - Peru

game time according to my country's time will be 1h o'clock in the morning, this is the time i'm sleeping or preparing to sleep, why do these guys put those hours? >:( with so many better times they chose times when i'm sleeping, to be honest every game of this cup i had to see some parts because the times the games were happening i got sleepy and annoyed because i couldn't watch every game  >:(

Worth taking a risk for Peru?

Big " NO "

Brazil is strong, has players with a high individual level that even in tight moments can score goals, this game Brazil will win


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 Discussion Thread
Post by: bitzizzix on July 05, 2021, 07:04:27 PM
Brazil - Peru

game time according to my country's time will be 1h o'clock in the morning, this is the time i'm sleeping or preparing to sleep, why do these guys put those hours? >:( with so many better times they chose times when i'm sleeping, to be honest every game of this cup i had to see some parts because the times the games were happening i got sleepy and annoyed because i couldn't watch every game  >:(

Worth taking a risk for Peru?

Big " NO "

Brazil is strong, has players with a high individual level that even in tight moments can score goals, this game Brazil will win

Yes, with material that is almost evenly distributed on all fronts, of course Brazil will be the seed in the match later and the mission to beat Peru on paper looks easy for Brazil.
Brazil itself has a good record in terms of competing in the 2021 Copa America, and in the country where I live the semifinal match will be at 6 am and I will not miss the match later.


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 Discussion Thread
Post by: Saint-loup on July 05, 2021, 08:33:21 PM
Worth taking a risk for Peru? The odd seems good although in the first round, Brazil had a 4-0 win over Peru. But it’s Semi final and we may see some unexpected event. I'm probably going for Peru to win and both team to score; not sure about the first one though.
Don't you think it’s too much underestimating? Now I got remembered the PSG vs Man U match on last year.

https://i.ibb.co/161KwYJ/IMG-20210706-001904.jpg
On which sportsbook it is please? At Stake you have the same odds but a promotion is currently running, you are paid out as a winner if your team scores in the first 15 minutes (even if the other team scores in the first 15 minutes too). So I've bet on Peru, but not because I think they are able to win the game against Brazil in the regular time, but because I think they're able to score one goal during the first fifteen minutes.  ;D


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 Discussion Thread
Post by: logfiles on July 05, 2021, 09:05:28 PM
Worth taking a risk for Peru?

Big " NO "

Brazil is strong, has players with a high individual level that even in tight moments can score goals, this game Brazil will win

Football can be quite tricky sometimes, Peru could come out and cause a complete upset, though the odds are against them. They did play against Brazil in the Group stages and lost by 4-0

Usually when teams are playing an opponent they have previous heavily lost to, they tend to improve on their performance in the next head-to-head match.

I am predicting that Brazil may find this match so hard. They will win by 1 goal so Brazil 1:0 Peru


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 Discussion Thread
Post by: Iranus on July 05, 2021, 09:07:57 PM
The semi-final match between Brazil and Peru will be held shortly after. I see no reason to bet on Peru. Brazil is in great form, the players are able to score goals. However, Peru managed to score 3 goals against Paraguay in the previous match. Yet today I see no chance of them winning. Unless a miracle happens, Peru will be defeated.


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 Discussion Thread
Post by: Maidak on July 05, 2021, 09:43:04 PM
The semi-final match between Brazil and Peru will be held shortly after. I see no reason to bet on Peru. Brazil is in great form, the players are able to score goals. However, Peru managed to score 3 goals against Paraguay in the previous match. Yet today I see no chance of them winning. Unless a miracle happens, Peru will be defeated.

If anyone thinks that Peru is a strong team, then look at the statistics of the match between Peru and Brazil. Brazil has won 4 out of 5 matches. And in the last 5 matches against Peru, Brazil has scored 16 goals. On the other hand, Brazil has conceded only 4 goals. Even in the first match of the Copa America, Brazil beat Peru 4-0.


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 Discussion Thread
Post by: Saint-loup on July 05, 2021, 11:59:23 PM
Brazil - Peru

game time according to my country's time will be 1h o'clock in the morning, this is the time i'm sleeping or preparing to sleep, why do these guys put those hours? >:( with so many better times they chose times when i'm sleeping, to be honest every game of this cup i had to see some parts because the times the games were happening i got sleepy and annoyed because i couldn't watch every game  >:(

Worth taking a risk for Peru?

Big " NO "

Brazil is strong, has players with a high individual level that even in tight moments can score goals, this game Brazil will win

It's the same for every match of the CONMEBOL confederation and especially for the Copa America. The match has started at 6:00 PM in Lima(Peru) time and at 8:00 PM in Rio de Janeiro time where it is taking place. They can't play semi-finals matches in the middle of the day of the  involved countries. You can freely watching on Stake it's already a great thing. Brazil had only been able to score one single goal in the first half, the match is more tight than many people expected.


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 Discussion Thread
Post by: blue Snow on July 06, 2021, 12:02:00 AM
Brazil vs Peru, Live now.

So far, Brazil plays attractive and dominated games. Neymar playing well, he's not selfish when dribbling the ball on the penalty box. I think he going to shoot a ball but he surprises me he created assists for Paqueta to make brazil's temporary lead 1-0 on the first leg.

I think Brazil will win these games easily.


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 Discussion Thread
Post by: MAAManda on July 06, 2021, 02:35:56 AM
Brazil vs Peru, Live now.

So far, Brazil plays attractive and dominated games. Neymar playing well, he's not selfish when dribbling the ball on the penalty box. I think he going to shoot a ball but he surprises me he created assists for Paqueta to make brazil's temporary lead 1-0 on the first leg.

I think Brazil will win these games easily.


The match was over and Lucas Paqueta of Olympique Lyonnais scored in the 35th minute thanks to an assist from The Lord Neymar :D

With this result Brazil made it into the Copa America Final round, just waiting for the results of the Argentina Vs Colombia match.


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 Discussion Thread
Post by: hahay on July 06, 2021, 02:48:31 AM
I feel like this tournament right now doesn't seem to have a lot of enthusiasm and it's very different to before, where dark horse teams can make it difficult for the top teams and that's something interesting. Indeed, there's nothing wrong with that, but I just feel with narrow wins or low goals almost every game, it makes this tournament boring because there's no strong resistance.


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 Discussion Thread
Post by: onecall123 on July 06, 2021, 05:19:12 AM
I feel like this tournament right now doesn't seem to have a lot of enthusiasm and it's very different to before, where dark horse teams can make it difficult for the top teams and that's something interesting. Indeed, there's nothing wrong with that, but I just feel with narrow wins or low goals almost every game, it makes this tournament boring because there's no strong resistance.
Such a competitive tournament, nah! Even though Brazil struggled, it eventually qualified for the Copa America final with a low scoring game. Football is not the same as before in Brazil, where the beauty of Brazilian football is missing. This Brazilian team will likely be beaten by Argentina if they make the final.


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 Discussion Thread
Post by: Oshosondy on July 06, 2021, 07:23:40 AM
It pained me I did not take the odd at 23rd minutes of the match that Brazil should win the game, it was 1.2 odds at the time but I just did not bet, I would have won the game.

Such a competitive tournament, nah! Even though Brazil struggled, it eventually qualified for the Copa America final with a low scoring game. Football is not the same as before in Brazil, where the beauty of Brazilian football is missing. This Brazilian team will likely be beaten by Argentina if they make the final.
I do not get you very well, Brazil struggles to win? Is it not the quarter final, did you want the quarter final to be easy?  If Argentina qualifies for the final, that does not mean Brazil can not win, though any of the both countries can win, but I see more chance in Brazil to win.


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 Discussion Thread
Post by: slaman29 on July 06, 2021, 08:01:34 AM
On which sportsbook it is please? At Stake you have the same odds but a promotion is currently running, you are paid out as a winner if your team scores in the first 15 minutes (even if the other team scores in the first 15 minutes too). So I've bet on Peru, but not because I think they are able to win the game against Brazil in the regular time, but because I think they're able to score one goal during the first fifteen minutes.  ;D

Oh thanks for this alert, didn't know there was such a promo. I think there were quite a few games where early goals were scored, but can't remember except Paraguay if any of those went on to become draws/loss for the team that scored first in early time. I remember Argentina had an early own goal scoring early but they won the game anyway.

Is this for ALL football matches or just Copa?


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 Discussion Thread
Post by: DIA7 on July 06, 2021, 08:16:59 AM
I feel like this tournament right now doesn't seem to have a lot of enthusiasm and it's very different to before, where dark horse teams can make it difficult for the top teams and that's something interesting. Indeed, there's nothing wrong with that, but I just feel with narrow wins or low goals almost every game, it makes this tournament boring because there's no strong resistance.
Such a competitive tournament, nah! Even though Brazil struggled, it eventually qualified for the Copa America final with a low scoring game. Football is not the same as before in Brazil, where the beauty of Brazilian football is missing. This Brazilian team will likely be beaten by Argentina if they make the final.
the most important thing for Brazil in the Copa America is reaching the final after winning against Peru.
It is true that the level of Brazil did not live up to what was required, but what was originally required was reached through a goal that jumps the team to the last step.
Brazil can build the attack and finish it from the midfield a team that excels in the offensive and even defensive transformation, and their presence in the final is an embodiment of expectation and not a coincidence and no matter how bad the team is sometimes,


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 Discussion Thread
Post by: Karartma1 on July 06, 2021, 08:47:44 AM
Found the latest line-ups for the upcoming Argentina Colombia
ARGENTINA 4-3-3
E. Martinez; Molina, Pezzella, Otamendi, Acuña; De Paul, Paredes, Lo Celso; Messi, L. Martinez, Gonzalez.
COLOMBIA 4-4-2
Ospina; Muñoz, Mina, Sanchez, Tesillo; Cuadrado, Cuellar, Barrios, Diaz; Zapata, Muriel.

Leo Messi looks really determined to reach the final and win La Copa America for the first time, which could also be his first real trophy with Argentina in his history.
He won basically everything with clubs but nothing with his national team.


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 Discussion Thread
Post by: mv1986 on July 06, 2021, 09:46:27 AM
:-X
Oh please don't start it  :D
Messi has not won anything with the club this year and has not shown anything special in the game. Even if Argentina wins the Copa America now, we must not forget that this is in fact a third-rate competition, which can hardly be considered as a tournament, a good game in which can be an argument for awarding the Ballon Dor.
I am not Messi fan but it is a general situation for personal title competition among best players. None of them have a smooth season from beginning to the end, none of them win two or three trophies. Their performance in Euro or Coppa America will be key. I know Coppa America is not as big as Euro but is one of biggest continental tournament.

Messi is playing well in this Coppa and in La Liga, last season he played too well in the second half even it does not enough to win La Liga.

I think if he wins Coppa America that can be the only one national trophy for him, he can get Ballon Dor with support from media, fans, etc.

Yes, Messi only has a chance at the Copa America after failing in various competitions with his club, so far messi put the top scorer in the copa america
It will be a point for him if he manages to bring Argentina to the tournament champion.

It is not only a point for Messi, it is a life mission. He always failed in the finals and he is desperate to win a title with Argentina. I seriously hope he does win it. I don't understand people who judge him by that title, for me he is the best anyway. If judgment would be about an international title, those who argue that wa would have to mention the best player of the world is always one of the team that becomes world champion or European champion.

Well right this is messi mission maybe this is the last time he plays for Argentina before he retires of course he wants to give the best for his country
But that's the truth, a player is considered the best player if he manages to give the title This is a kind of calculation that has been around for a long time

I think even if he doesn't win the Copa America this year he will still stay with Argentina for another year. Next year is the world championship and I believe he won't rage quit now in order to keep his integrity and get the very last chance for a big international title next year.


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 Discussion Thread
Post by: blue Snow on July 06, 2021, 10:01:59 AM
I feel like this tournament right now doesn't seem to have a lot of enthusiasm and it's very different to before, where dark horse teams can make it difficult for the top teams and that's something interesting. Indeed, there's nothing wrong with that, but I just feel with narrow wins or low goals almost every game, it makes this tournament boring because there's no strong resistance.
Such a competitive tournament, nah! Even though Brazil struggled, it eventually qualified for the Copa America final with a low scoring game. Football is not the same as before in Brazil, where the beauty of Brazilian football is missing. This Brazilian team will likely be beaten by Argentina if they make the final.
Brazil looks hard to final. In the second leg, Peru several times shoot on goal but they aren't lucky, brazil playing defense to keep only 1 goal. Agree, when they play like in the 2nd leg, probably Argentina will win.

Leo Messi looks really determined to reach the final and win La Copa America for the first time, which could also be his first real trophy with Argentina in his history.
He won basically everything with clubs but nothing with his national team.

Messi's determination is very strong, to cover this year (Barcelona) without the title too. But he must also try to improve his movement before the final, Argentina must change it, I think tomorrow when Colombia successfully creates the Penalty, possible Argentina would be finished up here.


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 Discussion Thread
Post by: Slow death on July 06, 2021, 12:55:05 PM
Brazil are into the final but they really suffered.

I honestly didn't watch the game because as I said in the last post this game would happen just at bedtime, but I could see the game summary and my opinion (I don't know if the game summary can offer a broad overview of the whole the game) brazil is strong, but has failed a lot in scoring goals, they easily manage to create opportunities to score goals, but they can't score goals. I think that in the game against peru it was visible how the Peruvian goalkeeper managed to prevent many possible goals from Brazil, but that is not because the Peruvian goalkeeper is a good goalkeeper, this is due to the incapacitation of the brazilian players to score goals.

Anyway, I'm now convinced Argentina will be crowned champion something I really do want to happen!

I wouldn't be so sure, Brazil may have suffered against peru because peru, being a not very strong team, would play fully in defense, but Brazil can beat argentina because argentina will also play to score a goal and that will be the biggest advantage for brazil have more space to play your game and win the game


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 Discussion Thread
Post by: KTChampions on July 06, 2021, 01:26:49 PM
Oh please don't start it  :D
Messi has not won anything with the club this year and has not shown anything special in the game. Even if Argentina wins the Copa America now, we must not forget that this is in fact a third-rate competition, which can hardly be considered as a tournament, a good game in which can be an argument for awarding the Ballon Dor.
I am not Messi fan but it is a general situation for personal title competition among best players. None of them have a smooth season from beginning to the end, none of them win two or three trophies. Their performance in Euro or Coppa America will be key. I know Coppa America is not as big as Euro but is one of biggest continental tournament.

Messi is playing well in this Coppa and in La Liga, last season he played too well in the second half even it does not enough to win La Liga.

I think if he wins Coppa America that can be the only one national trophy for him, he can get Ballon Dor with support from media, fans, etc.

In theory, this could happen, but in my opinion it will be a repetition of the super-unfair decisions of the 2010s. The prestige of this award was seriously discredited then, and it seems to me that very few people care about it seriously. Well, for me personally, it will be super absurd to award a prize to any player (even a genius) at the end of a tournament on which the level of play is a couple of orders of magnitude lower than on the European Championship.


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 Discussion Thread
Post by: Iranus on July 06, 2021, 01:39:04 PM
Anyway, I'm now convinced Argentina will be crowned champion something I really do want to happen!

I wouldn't be so sure, Brazil may have suffered against peru because peru, being a not very strong team, would play fully in defense, but Brazil can beat argentina because argentina will also play to score a goal and that will be the biggest advantage for brazil have more space to play your game and win the game

Argentina has not yet qualified for the final. So there is no need to say these things now. Argentina will play against Colombia today. This team is good enough. If Argentina can score 2 goals against Colombia and not concede any goal then they will be able to beat Brazil in the final.


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 Discussion Thread
Post by: famososMuertos on July 06, 2021, 01:43:38 PM
Brazil vs Peru, Live now.
...///.....
I think Brazil will win these games easily.

In South America the results of the favorites tend to occur almost always but the weak teams in the region tend to give surprises, Peru is the only team that has been able to beat Brazil in the era of its current coach.

...//...:::;;;
Leo Messi looks really determined to reach the final and win La Copa America for the first time, which could also be his first real trophy with Argentina in his history.
He won basically everything with clubs but nothing with his national team.

Yes, I have already mentioned it, it is perhaps one of his last opportunities, I do not think it will reach him for another time and the soccer world cup is really very very difficult, in fact even the most staunch supporter of Real Madrid would appreciate that Messi won a trophy with his selection  :)


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 Discussion Thread
Post by: Maidak on July 06, 2021, 02:12:38 PM
...//...:::;;;
Leo Messi looks really determined to reach the final and win La Copa America for the first time, which could also be his first real trophy with Argentina in his history.
He won basically everything with clubs but nothing with his national team.

Yes, I have already mentioned it, it is perhaps one of his last opportunities, I do not think it will reach him for another time and the soccer world cup is really very very difficult, in fact even the most staunch supporter of Real Madrid would appreciate that Messi won a trophy with his selection  :)

Messi is one of the best players of all time in history. But he did not win an international title for his country. They have reached the final several times but failed to win the title. However, this time it is a bit different from the previous seasons. Earlier there were many problems in the Argentina team. The team is now strong enough to end all problems. Argentina has a lot more chances to win the title this time.


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 Discussion Thread
Post by: LUCKMCFLY on July 06, 2021, 02:23:06 PM
Today the most anticipated match Colombia vs Argentina, the spirits on the part of Colombia are very high, the Cuadrado player will be able to play this match, Colombia can surprise, it is a very strong team, its players are of international stature and with a lot of experience, on the other hand Argentina has Leo Messi, undoubtedly Messi has a great commitment to his country, luck is probably what makes the difference in this match, I honestly don't know which team I could make a bet on.

It is necessary to emphasize that Argentina when it is close to the Final plays better than ever.

Quote
Messi wants his first Copa América title
Meanwhile, Argentina drew their opening group game against Chile (1-1), but won their three remaining matches to top the group.

Lionel Scaloni’s squad beat Uruguay, Paraguay and Bolivia, which placed them in a favourable quarter-final showdown with Ecuador, a game that ended 3-0 for Lionel Messi & co.

La Albiceleste will try to lift the Copa América title for the 15th time in the nation's history, and the first time since 1993.

Source: https://en.as.com/en/2021/07/06/football/1625528145_519327.html (https://en.as.com/en/2021/07/06/football/1625528145_519327.html)

These are some of the things they expect from the Argentina team, many bets will be open for this match .. It will be a very exciting match.


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 Discussion Thread
Post by: FIFA worldcup on July 06, 2021, 05:00:14 PM
Today the most anticipated match Colombia vs Argentina,

I wish, i really wish that Argentina win this match and we could witness the most anticipated final between the two giants Argentina and Brazil.
If some how an upset happens and Argentina loses this match, then the final will surely be won by brazil and all the hype of Copa America will be down.

Fingers crossed for an Argentina win.  :)


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 Discussion Thread
Post by: mrjoy15 on July 06, 2021, 05:53:47 PM
Today the most anticipated match Colombia vs Argentina,

I wish, i really wish that Argentina win this match and we could witness the most anticipated final between the two giants Argentina and Brazil.
If some how an upset happens and Argentina loses this match, then the final will surely be won by brazil and all the hype of Copa America will be down.

Fingers crossed for an Argentina win.  :)
Even Neymar wanna to play with Messi Copa America Final. Neymar will be cheering for them, I'll pray that his dream come true. Messi is very much deserving the trophy as a greatest player with wearing national jersey. To be honest, Brazil has the greatest possibility winning the trophy this year.


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 Discussion Thread
Post by: LittleBitFunny on July 06, 2021, 06:30:03 PM
Today the most anticipated match Colombia vs Argentina,

I wish, i really wish that Argentina win this match and we could witness the most anticipated final between the two giants Argentina and Brazil.
If some how an upset happens and Argentina loses this match, then the final will surely be won by brazil and all the hype of Copa America will be down.

Fingers crossed for an Argentina win.  :)
Even Neymar wanna to play with Messi Copa America Final. Neymar will be cheering for them, I'll pray that his dream come true. Messi is very much deserving the trophy as a greatest player with wearing national jersey. To be honest, Brazil has the greatest possibility winning the trophy this year.

The Brazilian team has been in form since the start of the season. Their players are very talented. Moreover, the players of their defense and forward lineup are very experienced. On the other hand, Argentina's defense is not very good. They are not able to perform well against strong teams. If Argentina can reach the final, Brazil will still be ahead in terms of title chances.


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 Discussion Thread
Post by: alegotardo on July 06, 2021, 07:47:26 PM
I wish, i really wish that Argentina win this match and we could witness the most anticipated final between the two giants Argentina and Brazil.
If some how an upset happens and Argentina loses this match, then the final will surely be won by brazil and all the hype of Copa America will be down.

Fingers crossed for an Argentina win.  :)

I'm also cheering for Argentina, not only because I've bet on this result but also because I hope to see Argentina in the final, because... winning a cup is very good (I'm Brazilian) but winning a cup beating Argentina is much better.

In fact, Brazil has been playing good games and especially in the last against Peru they showed a lot of skill in exchanging steps close to the opponents' goal, I hope to see that again in the grand final.


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 Discussion Thread
Post by: kro55 on July 06, 2021, 08:24:44 PM
I wish, i really wish that Argentina win this match and we could witness the most anticipated final between the two giants Argentina and Brazil.
If some how an upset happens and Argentina loses this match, then the final will surely be won by brazil and all the hype of Copa America will be down.

Fingers crossed for an Argentina win.  :)

I'm also cheering for Argentina, not only because I've bet on this result but also because I hope to see Argentina in the final, because... winning a cup is very good (I'm Brazilian) but winning a cup beating Argentina is much better.

In fact, Brazil has been playing good games and especially in the last against Peru they showed a lot of skill in exchanging steps close to the opponents' goal, I hope to see that again in the grand final.

In today's semi-final match against Colombia, I have placed the bet in favor of Argentina's victory. Although I know Colombia is not an easy opponent for Argentina. Still, I am optimistic Messi's team will win today. I am a fan of Messi. So I support Argentina. But Argentina as a team is not very strong. The Brazilian team is in a fairly stable position from Argentina. However, if the final is between Brazil and Argentina, the match will be very competitive. And I believe Argentina will win if Messi can score the first goal of the final.


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 Discussion Thread
Post by: KTChampions on July 06, 2021, 08:30:15 PM
In today's semi-final match against Colombia, I have placed the bet in favor of Argentina's victory. Although I know Colombia is not an easy opponent for Argentina. Still, I am optimistic Messi's team will win today. I am a fan of Messi. So I support Argentina. But Argentina as a team is not very strong. The Brazilian team is in a fairly stable position from Argentina. However, if the final is between Brazil and Argentina, the match will be very competitive. And I believe Argentina will win if Messi can score the first goal of the final.

I must note that despite the fact that Argentina is the clear favorite in this mast, the coefficient for victory is quite attractive
1,90 - 3,20 - 5,00
hmm ... I didn't want to bet in the semi-finals, but now I'm seriously thinking about it. This coefficient looks like a bookmaker's mistake.


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 Discussion Thread
Post by: famososMuertos on July 07, 2021, 01:12:31 AM
Today the most anticipated match Colombia vs Argentina,

....//:::::Fingers crossed for an Argentina win.  :)

The most anticipated game always in the Copa America is Brazil vs Argentina, always regardless of how the other teams are doing, in fact, for example, Argentina's rival has won some things as a selection, including a Copa america, Colombia has been champion, which Argentina has not reached in the Messi Stage and in fact perhaps Messi is the last of that group of good players of the last 23 years who have not won.

The beauty of football is that there is always the possibility of unexpected stories and that, for example, Colombia reaches the final and wins it would be something surprising and on the contrary it would be the magic story that we like to see in Soccer, like everything else, there is a part of fans who like soccer in its essence and not as true fans on teams.

Colombia has team for win and in case there are doubts, check the odds, in any case this long-awaited victory for Argentina is wanted even by the Brazilians themselves.



Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 Discussion Thread
Post by: bitzizzix on July 07, 2021, 01:19:30 AM
Argentina vs Colombia semifinals are underway and the score is 1-0 for Argentina thanks to L. Martinez in the 7th minute assists from Messi.

and the record of meeting the two teams in the last 5 matches Argentina managed to dominate from 5 matches Argentina won 3 times and Colombia 1 and drew 1, and if you look at the meeting record, it is likely that Argentina will easily beat Colombia and will advance to the final against Brazil.


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 Discussion Thread
Post by: famososMuertos on July 07, 2021, 02:06:09 AM
...//...:, L. Martinez in the 7th minute assists from Messi.
....//...

Lautaro Martínez (6’) / Colombia is playing well, so using the term easily in this game dont have much sense.


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E5qHg1nVoAEnJiK.jpg

Edit:
Beautiful Gol, classic Messi assistance.


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 Discussion Thread
Post by: hahay on July 07, 2021, 02:38:32 AM
Indeed, Argentina took the lead in the beginning but unfortunately, Colombia had a stronger and tougher game with high spirits that it looks like Colombia has the ability to qualify for the final. I personally bet for Argentina, but if the game continues like this I believe Argentina will lose and my prediction at the beginning seemed to come true about Messi always failing for Argentina. The game isn't over yet, I still hope Argentina can win the game even though it's like something difficult at the moment because Colombia are playing well.


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 Discussion Thread
Post by: Iranus on July 07, 2021, 03:46:14 AM
Indeed, Argentina took the lead in the beginning but unfortunately, Colombia had a stronger and tougher game with high spirits that it looks like Colombia has the ability to qualify for the final. I personally bet for Argentina, but if the game continues like this I believe Argentina will lose and my prediction at the beginning seemed to come true about Messi always failing for Argentina. The game isn't over yet, I still hope Argentina can win the game even though it's like something difficult at the moment because Colombia are playing well.

Colombia is not a weak team. They must have qualified to play in the final. They had to beat an opponent like Uruguay. However, Argentina's gameplay became very slow in the second half. If they had attacked more, Argentina might have been able to score one more goal.


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 Discussion Thread
Post by: FIFA worldcup on July 07, 2021, 04:06:54 AM
Indeed, Argentina took the lead in the beginning but unfortunately, Colombia had a stronger and tougher game with high spirits that it looks like Colombia has the ability to qualify for the final. I personally bet for Argentina, but if the game continues like this I believe Argentina will lose and my prediction at the beginning seemed to come true about Messi always failing for Argentina. The game isn't over yet, I still hope Argentina can win the game even though it's like something difficult at the moment because Colombia are playing well.

Argentina managed to win on penalties :) Wahooooooo, what a match it was for Argentina.  They had so many shots on goal and so many chances were missed because Colombia goalkeeper saved many sure shot goals.
Now, i can't wait to see my dream final between Argentina and Brazil.



Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 Discussion Thread
Post by: UmerIdrees on July 07, 2021, 04:48:33 AM
Copa America is now in its final stage and just 2 games left in this tournament.

https://i.imgur.com/6WobSol.png


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 Discussion Thread
Post by: MusaMohamed on July 07, 2021, 05:46:24 AM
Indeed, Argentina took the lead in the beginning but unfortunately, Colombia had a stronger and tougher game with high spirits that it looks like Colombia has the ability to qualify for the final. I personally bet for Argentina, but if the game continues like this I believe Argentina will lose and my prediction at the beginning seemed to come true about Messi always failing for Argentina. The game isn't over yet, I still hope Argentina can win the game even though it's like something difficult at the moment because Colombia are playing well.
Congratulations Argentina and the win from penalty will help them more confident in the future. This generation of Argentina have many losses and some of them come from penalty.

They will meet Brazil in the final that is a reunited occasion for Messi and Neymar in a real match. The first time they meet each other in final of Coppa America.

Messi again have another final match with Arghentina and I wish best for him, a first and maybe the only title with Arghentina.


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 Discussion Thread
Post by: onecall123 on July 07, 2021, 05:56:54 AM
Argentina set to meet with Brazil in the Copa America final after winning over Colombia in a penalty shootout. This will be a dream final for both Argentina and Brazil supporters. I love both but Brazil top choice since their team is well organized in terms of team spirit. Argentina National Team and Messi long expectation may go to a reality this year?


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 Discussion Thread
Post by: Oshosondy on July 07, 2021, 07:10:26 AM
Argentina set to meet with Brazil in the Copa America final after winning over Colombia in a penalty shootout. This will be a dream final for both Argentina and Brazil supporters. I love both but Brazil top choice since their team is well organized in terms of team spirit. Argentina National Team and Messi long expectation may go to a reality this year?
Argentina scored at 7th minute at the start of the match, I even thought to be expecting the second goal to be from Argentina which would make the country qualify for the Copa America final, but Luis Diaz changed the game as he scored at 61st minute during second half. Colombian players are indeed good players but the odds are just in Argentina's favour. I will wish Argentina to win the final, but Brazil have a very good team, most likely Brazil will be the winner but anything can happen in a match, but I will be glad to see Argentina to win this year Copa America CONMOBOL.


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 Discussion Thread
Post by: slaman29 on July 07, 2021, 07:49:18 AM
So there we have it. The final most people predicted. Another Messi goal lit up the boring match and Argentina's prize is meeting tournament favorites Brazil.

So many good talents in both teams. But Brazil are the ones who are clear favorites it seems.

Peru to take 3rd place?;)


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 Discussion Thread
Post by: mv1986 on July 07, 2021, 08:24:20 AM
 ???
So there we have it. The final most people predicted. Another Messi goal lit up the boring match and Argentina's prize is meeting tournament favorites Brazil.

So many good talents in both teams. But Brazil are the ones who are clear favorites it seems.

Peru to take 3rd place?;)

I am extremely excited to see that final and one thing is for sure already: there'll be one guy crying, either Neymar or Messi! Clash of the titans. I wonder if that is going to be a fair game or a very heated one.

Anyone sees one team having an edge over the other?


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 Discussion Thread
Post by: KTChampions on July 07, 2021, 09:58:30 AM
I must note that despite the fact that Argentina is the clear favorite in this mast, the coefficient for victory is quite attractive
1,90 - 3,20 - 5,00
hmm ... I didn't want to bet in the semi-finals, but now I'm seriously thinking about it. This coefficient looks like a bookmaker's mistake.

I am very glad that I did not make this bet. Argentina disappointed me. This team has everything to achieve results in regular time (at least against weaker teams), but it waits until the lottery. I am confident that Brazil will have the advantage in the final - they show a more stable game, plus Argentina had a grueling extra 30 minutes and Brazil had one extra day of rest.


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 Discussion Thread
Post by: Saint-loup on July 07, 2021, 11:51:14 AM
I must note that despite the fact that Argentina is the clear favorite in this mast, the coefficient for victory is quite attractive
1,90 - 3,20 - 5,00
hmm ... I didn't want to bet in the semi-finals, but now I'm seriously thinking about it. This coefficient looks like a bookmaker's mistake.

I am very glad that I did not make this bet. Argentina disappointed me. This team has everything to achieve results in regular time (at least against weaker teams), but it waits until the lottery. I am confident that Brazil will have the advantage in the final - they show a more stable game, plus Argentina had a grueling extra 30 minutes and Brazil had one extra day of rest.
No KTChampions if you had take this bet you would have won it bro!  8) Because Lautaro Martinez has scored one goal for Argentina during the first 15minutes - he scored at the 8th minute precisely - then you would get the early goal bonus promotion from Stake and you would have received the same winnings as if Argentina had won the game. Personally I've bet on Colombia and thus I lost my bet.  


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 Discussion Thread
Post by: KTChampions on July 07, 2021, 11:57:27 AM
I am very glad that I did not make this bet. Argentina disappointed me. This team has everything to achieve results in regular time (at least against weaker teams), but it waits until the lottery. I am confident that Brazil will have the advantage in the final - they show a more stable game, plus Argentina had a grueling extra 30 minutes and Brazil had one extra day of rest.
No KTChampions if you had take this bet you would have won it bro!  8) Because Lautaro Martinez has scored one goal for Argentina during the first 15minutes - he scored at the 8th minute precisely - then you would get the early goal bonus promotion from Stake and you would have received the same winnings as if Argentina had won the game. Personally I've bet on Colombia and thus I lost my bet.  

Oh, thanks for the info! I remember that I received a letter about this from Stake but was too lazy to read it  :D
You were brave to bet on Colombia! Did you bet on winning in regulation time or on the team's passage to the next round at the end of the match?


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 Discussion Thread
Post by: DU18 on July 07, 2021, 12:08:29 PM
So there we have it. The final most people predicted. Another Messi goal lit up the boring match and Argentina's prize is meeting tournament favorites Brazil.

So many good talents in both teams. But Brazil are the ones who are clear favorites it seems.

Peru to take 3rd place?;)
The Copa final will really bring together two giant Latin American football teams, namely Brazil and Argentina, Brazil and Argentina both went through a difficult match in the 2021 Copa America semifinals and Brazil was only able to win 1-0 over Peru, as well as Argentina which only able to play 1-1 versus Colombia in normal time, so Argentina, who was seeded at that time, had to struggle to win until a penalty shootout, Interestingly, the final will not only fight for the Copa America title, but competition will also occur between Neymar and Messi, who are both eyeing the top scorer, now Messi has collected 4 goals while Martinez has 3 goals and of course Neymar, who has only scored 2 goals, still has a chance to become the top scorer if you can score in the final later.


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 Discussion Thread
Post by: blue Snow on July 07, 2021, 12:10:38 PM
Copa America is now in its final stage and just 2 games left in this tournament.

https://i.imgur.com/6WobSol.png

according to the prediction before, we aren't surprised when Brazil meets Argentina. but for Argentina, it doesn't seem to be going well because they finish it with the penalty. this means the team needs consolidation of defense not only the attacking front. Messi still in Argentina's spirit at the moment, I don't know what will happen if Messi didn't in the squad.


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 Discussion Thread
Post by: snipie on July 07, 2021, 02:14:00 PM
Well after all the hassle, Argentina survived against Colombia by penalty kicks... Not sure if they played miserably or Colombia showed high level but I would be surprised if they win the cup honestly. I think Brazil should win the final game (way) before the end of the 90th minute.


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 Discussion Thread
Post by: DIA7 on July 07, 2021, 03:00:26 PM
One of the many reasons of Argentina biggest improvement is having Martinez as a goalkeeper its been the weakest link in Argentina for years and now after last season biggest discovery he is still delivering as he saved three penalty kicks out of five and takes Argentina to the Copa America final to meet Brazil, thus fulfilling Neymar's wish to choose his opponent.
Martínez he gets praise even from Lionel, this wall we talked about previously that he has a superstitious reaction and that Arsenal lost a very great goalkeeper.
Big confidence even in his stance, he can make you doubt, and he provoked Yari Mina before he took the kick.
He told him you are nervous right!
And indeed Mina missed his kick and got him into his mind.
This is the goalkeeper who is half of the team, and who pushes you forward when everything stops with you.


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 Discussion Thread
Post by: LUCKMCFLY on July 07, 2021, 04:10:35 PM
The match between Argenitina and Colombia was very exciting, what I did not like about Argentina is that they did a lot of theater, threw themselves on the field, simulated fouls and that took away the show, on the other hand Argentina won by pure luck, it was soccer for me superior Colombia, did not show any kind of respect to Argentina and that is what matters because he saw it as equals.

Now the Final between Argentina and Brazil promises, I think Brazil will be the winner, I like the way he plays more, although Neymar also simulates a lot, he plays very well, the clash between Neymar and Messi will be interesting to watch.


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 Discussion Thread
Post by: Harkorede on July 07, 2021, 05:46:36 PM
Indeed, Argentina took the lead in the beginning but unfortunately, Colombia had a stronger and tougher game with high spirits that it looks like Colombia has the ability to qualify for the final. I personally bet for Argentina, but if the game continues like this I believe Argentina will lose and my prediction at the beginning seemed to come true about Messi always failing for Argentina. The game isn't over yet, I still hope Argentina can win the game even though it's like something difficult at the moment because Colombia are playing well.

It was an even game overall statistically, but It was much of a deserved victory as well too.

I'm really excited that Argentina made it through,  I just hope that they can go all the way to lift the trophy, but it's going to be the toughest test of the competition for them, Brazil on the other haven't been significantly outstanding either, so it should be a really tight affair.


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 Discussion Thread
Post by: nhaila on July 07, 2021, 05:52:45 PM
Congratulations Argentina team , Argentina team already setup themselves in final match with Brazil that will held in 11 July 2021. We all waiting for a wonderful final match... congratulations Brazil and Argentina...


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 Discussion Thread
Post by: virasog on July 07, 2021, 05:55:57 PM
according to the prediction before, we aren't surprised when Brazil meets Argentina. but for Argentina, it doesn't seem to be going well because they finish it with the penalty. this means the team needs consolidation of defense not only the attacking front. Messi still in Argentina's spirit at the moment, I don't know what will happen if Messi didn't in the squad.

Messi will play in the final. Right ? Or is there any doubt about it. Argentina Colombia match went down to the penalties does not mean that Argentina is a weak team. They win the match and are strong enough to win the final against brazil.


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 Discussion Thread
Post by: ShowOff on July 07, 2021, 06:29:00 PM
The Copa final will really bring together two giant Latin American football teams, namely Brazil and Argentina, Brazil and Argentina both went through a difficult match in the 2021 Copa America semifinals and Brazil was only able to win 1-0 over Peru, as well as Argentina which only able to play 1-1 versus Colombia in normal time, so Argentina, who was seeded at that time, had to struggle to win until a penalty shootout, Interestingly, the final will not only fight for the Copa America title, but competition will also occur between Neymar and Messi, who are both eyeing the top scorer, now Messi has collected 4 goals while Martinez has 3 goals and of course Neymar, who has only scored 2 goals, still has a chance to become the top scorer if you can score in the final later.
Team achievement are more important than just thinking about individual achievement. Argentina vs Brazil will be the final match of the extraordinary Copa America after both fighting for the final ticket in their respective match. I know that Argentina haven't won this title since Messi played and I think this is a good chance for Messi to win the title for the first time. But Brazil will never be an easy opponent to beat and this is the real challenge for Messi all other players in his football career while defending his country.


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 Discussion Thread
Post by: snipie on July 07, 2021, 09:03:08 PM
according to the prediction before, we aren't surprised when Brazil meets Argentina. but for Argentina, it doesn't seem to be going well because they finish it with the penalty. this means the team needs consolidation of defense not only the attacking front. Messi still in Argentina's spirit at the moment, I don't know what will happen if Messi didn't in the squad.

Messi will play in the final. Right ? Or is there any doubt about it. Argentina Colombia match went down to the penalties does not mean that Argentina is a weak team. They win the match and are strong enough to win the final against brazil.
What blue meant is that Argentina isn't convincing in its games although having better players than the other nations. Surviving Colombia by penalty kicks was a very risky move by Argentinian. Next game they will face Brazil, unless they will show some real performance, Brazil might end the game early!


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 Discussion Thread
Post by: Ratash on July 07, 2021, 09:30:30 PM
Congratulations Argentina team , Argentina team already setup themselves in final match with Brazil that will held in 11 July 2021. We all waiting for a wonderful final match... congratulations Brazil and Argentina...
Yes they deserved it strong performance from them in this tournement and even yesterday they couldve finished it in the 90 minutes they missed two opportunities in the last ten minutes one by lautaro martines and one by messi that sailed on the left post but they will face brazil in the final its hard to say who will win.


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 Discussion Thread
Post by: BitcoinHunt3r on July 07, 2021, 10:27:10 PM
Congratulations Argentina team , Argentina team already setup themselves in final match with Brazil that will held in 11 July 2021. We all waiting for a wonderful final match... congratulations Brazil and Argentina...
Yes they deserved it strong performance from them in this tournement and even yesterday they couldve finished it in the 90 minutes they missed two opportunities in the last ten minutes one by lautaro martines and one by messi that sailed on the left post but they will face brazil in the final its hard to say who will win.

I just watched Argentina match highlights yesterday And I have to say that the Argentina goalkeeper was very instrumental
When it comes to the final, I think Brazil is closer to the title they are more ready and complete I don't see the same in Argentina


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 Discussion Thread
Post by: famososMuertos on July 08, 2021, 02:17:51 AM
There is so much hope for Messi to win ... or better Argentina, that it seems to me similar to the movement that took place a couple of years ago with Leonardo DiCaprio to finally win an Oscar.

 



Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 Discussion Thread
Post by: LUCKMCFLY on July 08, 2021, 04:19:41 AM
Regarding the behavior of the Argentina goalkeeper, I did not think it was good that he began to insult the Colombian players, I know that both the kicker and the goalkeeper are nervous, I even dare to say that the kicker is more nervous than the goalkeeper, you can't call: "Boludo" or "cagón" to your rival and less in that crucial moment, or much less "I eat you", this has caused some discomfort or disagreement with the Colombians, in the Caracol Channel News in each broadcast they put That information, I think the referee should have taken a red card from the Argentine goalkeeper for such a performance.


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 Discussion Thread
Post by: LittleBitFunny on July 08, 2021, 02:37:46 PM
Regarding the behavior of the Argentina goalkeeper, I did not think it was good that he began to insult the Colombian players, I know that both the kicker and the goalkeeper are nervous, I even dare to say that the kicker is more nervous than the goalkeeper, you can't call: "Boludo" or "cagón" to your rival and less in that crucial moment, or much less "I eat you", this has caused some discomfort or disagreement with the Colombians, in the Caracol Channel News in each broadcast they put That information, I think the referee should have taken a red card from the Argentine goalkeeper for such a performance.


I don’t want to blame the Colombian players, the players are under tremendous stress when it comes to taking penalty kicks. Those who are able to score from the penalty kick are definitely lucky and talented. Colombia's two players are missing penalties, they were under a lot of stress. Moreover, Martinez has performed remarkably well. He is a great goalkeeper.


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 Discussion Thread
Post by: slaman29 on July 08, 2021, 03:02:36 PM
The Copa final will really bring together two giant Latin American football teams, namely Brazil and Argentina, Brazil and Argentina both went through a difficult match in the 2021 Copa America semifinals and Brazil was only able to win 1-0 over Peru, as well as Argentina which only able to play 1-1 versus Colombia in normal time, so Argentina, who was seeded at that time, had to struggle to win until a penalty shootout, Interestingly, the final will not only fight for the Copa America title, but competition will also occur between Neymar and Messi, who are both eyeing the top scorer, now Messi has collected 4 goals while Martinez has 3 goals and of course Neymar, who has only scored 2 goals, still has a chance to become the top scorer if you can score in the final later.

It's been a weird tournament so far if you're watching with EURO lenses. Imagine Colombia getting nothing but draws and progressing through on penalties and then imagine Peru getting also so far and almost getting into two consecutive finals?

Brazil have been the most impressive, even as an Argentina fan (thanks to Messi) I've to admit this so I don't know but can we get a 3+ goals final right?;)


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 Discussion Thread
Post by: uneng on July 08, 2021, 03:54:18 PM
according to the prediction before, we aren't surprised when Brazil meets Argentina. but for Argentina, it doesn't seem to be going well because they finish it with the penalty. this means the team needs consolidation of defense not only the attacking front. Messi still in Argentina's spirit at the moment, I don't know what will happen if Messi didn't in the squad.

Messi will play in the final. Right ? Or is there any doubt about it. Argentina Colombia match went down to the penalties does not mean that Argentina is a weak team. They win the match and are strong enough to win the final against brazil.
I think Argentina wouldn't be crazy to replace Messi on the final game. If that happened you could already bet all your money in Brazil for the next game, although the odds wouldn't look interesting anyway... Even if Messi were injured they would make him play, I suppose. Without Messi the team can't go too far and the same can be said about Brazil and Neymar.
For me this final game is going to be really unpredictable, because both teams are at same level of skills and display two of the best soccer players of the world. Beyond skills, luck and psychological of the players may play a big role on this final.


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 Discussion Thread
Post by: ShowOff on July 08, 2021, 05:07:26 PM
I think Argentina wouldn't be crazy to replace Messi on the final game. If that happened you could already bet all your money in Brazil for the next game, although the odds wouldn't look interesting anyway... Even if Messi were injured they would make him play, I suppose. Without Messi the team can't go too far and the same can be said about Brazil and Neymar.
Messi and Neymar are two important players for their respective countries. I wouldn't think that if they weren't in the squad Brazil and Argentina would never win, but it's true that losing important players will affect their game to some extent. Brazil has Neymar, while Argentina has Messi. Messi had a big contribution throughout this competition because he managed to score and also provide assist. He's great, but he need a miracle to win his first title.

For me this final game is going to be really unpredictable, because both teams are at same level of skills and display two of the best soccer players of the world. Beyond skills, luck and psychological of the players may play a big role on this final.
I hope this time Argentina can prove that they can also win the title after their long fasting.


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 Discussion Thread
Post by: Swordsoffreedom on July 08, 2021, 05:24:15 PM
according to the prediction before, we aren't surprised when Brazil meets Argentina. but for Argentina, it doesn't seem to be going well because they finish it with the penalty. this means the team needs consolidation of defense not only the attacking front. Messi still in Argentina's spirit at the moment, I don't know what will happen if Messi didn't in the squad.

Messi will play in the final. Right ? Or is there any doubt about it. Argentina Colombia match went down to the penalties does not mean that Argentina is a weak team. They win the match and are strong enough to win the final against brazil.
I think Argentina wouldn't be crazy to replace Messi on the final game. If that happened you could already bet all your money in Brazil for the next game, although the odds wouldn't look interesting anyway... Even if Messi were injured they would make him play, I suppose. Without Messi the team can't go too far and the same can be said about Brazil and Neymar.
For me this final game is going to be really unpredictable, because both teams are at same level of skills and display two of the best soccer players of the world. Beyond skills, luck and psychological of the players may play a big role on this final.

Although Messi is slightly injured, he will play in the final. The Argentine team is much more dependent on Messi. When Messi is on the field, the players are mentally cheerful. To win against a strong team like Brazil, the players must be mentally strong. Aguero has not played well in any match so far. He is not in form. Still expecting a good gameplay from him. He is experienced enough. Hopefully, with the help of Messi and Aguero, Argentina will win the title this season.


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 Discussion Thread
Post by: virasog on July 08, 2021, 06:18:45 PM
according to the prediction before, we aren't surprised when Brazil meets Argentina. but for Argentina, it doesn't seem to be going well because they finish it with the penalty. this means the team needs consolidation of defense not only the attacking front. Messi still in Argentina's spirit at the moment, I don't know what will happen if Messi didn't in the squad.

Messi will play in the final. Right ? Or is there any doubt about it. Argentina Colombia match went down to the penalties does not mean that Argentina is a weak team. They win the match and are strong enough to win the final against brazil.
I think Argentina wouldn't be crazy to replace Messi on the final game. If that happened you could already bet all your money in Brazil for the next game, although the odds wouldn't look interesting anyway... Even if Messi were injured they would make him play, I suppose. Without Messi the team can't go too far and the same can be said about Brazil and Neymar.
For me this final game is going to be really unpredictable, because both teams are at same level of skills and display two of the best soccer players of the world. Beyond skills, luck and psychological of the players may play a big role on this final.

Although Messi is slightly injured, he will play in the final. The Argentine team is much more dependent on Messi. When Messi is on the field, the players are mentally cheerful. To win against a strong team like Brazil, the players must be mentally strong. Aguero has not played well in any match so far. He is not in form. Still expecting a good gameplay from him. He is experienced enough. Hopefully, with the help of Messi and Aguero, Argentina will win the title this season.

Argentina can still win without Messi but it won't be easy against the strong team like Brazil. If you keep Messi out of the final, it will give a phycological advantage to Brazil and morally Argentina team will be down. I am sure they won't take this stupid decision and also i hope Messi gets 100% well before the final.


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 Discussion Thread
Post by: BitcoinHunt3r on July 08, 2021, 06:22:16 PM
according to the prediction before, we aren't surprised when Brazil meets Argentina. but for Argentina, it doesn't seem to be going well because they finish it with the penalty. this means the team needs consolidation of defense not only the attacking front. Messi still in Argentina's spirit at the moment, I don't know what will happen if Messi didn't in the squad.

Messi will play in the final. Right ? Or is there any doubt about it. Argentina Colombia match went down to the penalties does not mean that Argentina is a weak team. They win the match and are strong enough to win the final against brazil.
I think Argentina wouldn't be crazy to replace Messi on the final game. If that happened you could already bet all your money in Brazil for the next game, although the odds wouldn't look interesting anyway... Even if Messi were injured they would make him play, I suppose. Without Messi the team can't go too far and the same can be said about Brazil and Neymar.
For me this final game is going to be really unpredictable, because both teams are at same level of skills and display two of the best soccer players of the world. Beyond skills, luck and psychological of the players may play a big role on this final.

Although Messi is slightly injured, he will play in the final. The Argentine team is much more dependent on Messi. When Messi is on the field, the players are mentally cheerful. To win against a strong team like Brazil, the players must be mentally strong. Aguero has not played well in any match so far. He is not in form. Still expecting a good gameplay from him. He is experienced enough. Hopefully, with the help of Messi and Aguero, Argentina will win the title this season.

I'm not so sure we see a winner in 1x2 I think the winner will be decided on a penalty shootout Well if this happens I can't predict who will win because the player capacity is almost the same only luck can help. If there is a winner in 1x2 regular time I think it will be Brazil  ::)


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 Discussion Thread
Post by: mv1986 on July 08, 2021, 08:04:19 PM
according to the prediction before, we aren't surprised when Brazil meets Argentina. but for Argentina, it doesn't seem to be going well because they finish it with the penalty. this means the team needs consolidation of defense not only the attacking front. Messi still in Argentina's spirit at the moment, I don't know what will happen if Messi didn't in the squad.

Messi will play in the final. Right ? Or is there any doubt about it. Argentina Colombia match went down to the penalties does not mean that Argentina is a weak team. They win the match and are strong enough to win the final against brazil.
I think Argentina wouldn't be crazy to replace Messi on the final game. If that happened you could already bet all your money in Brazil for the next game, although the odds wouldn't look interesting anyway... Even if Messi were injured they would make him play, I suppose. Without Messi the team can't go too far and the same can be said about Brazil and Neymar.
For me this final game is going to be really unpredictable, because both teams are at same level of skills and display two of the best soccer players of the world. Beyond skills, luck and psychological of the players may play a big role on this final.

Although Messi is slightly injured, he will play in the final. The Argentine team is much more dependent on Messi. When Messi is on the field, the players are mentally cheerful. To win against a strong team like Brazil, the players must be mentally strong. Aguero has not played well in any match so far. He is not in form. Still expecting a good gameplay from him. He is experienced enough. Hopefully, with the help of Messi and Aguero, Argentina will win the title this season.

I'm not so sure we see a winner in 1x2 I think the winner will be decided on a penalty shootout Well if this happens I can't predict who will win because the player capacity is almost the same only luck can help. If there is a winner in 1x2 regular time I think it will be Brazil  ::)


Betting on a penalty shootout to happen is quite brave! ;) Sure it is a possibility but chances are higher that the game will be over before penalty shootout. It's going to be a showdown between Neymar and Messi, we all know that, and I hope the two will become the protagonists of the game. Let's hope they both score, Messi with a free kick or magic solo run and Neymar, too! We want some nice soccer from the best of the best! ;)


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 Discussion Thread
Post by: KTChampions on July 08, 2021, 08:52:12 PM
It's been a weird tournament so far if you're watching with EURO lenses. Imagine Colombia getting nothing but draws and progressing through on penalties and then imagine Peru getting also so far and almost getting into two consecutive finals?

Brazil have been the most impressive, even as an Argentina fan (thanks to Messi) I've to admit this so I don't know but can we get a 3+ goals final right?;)

Do you mean to score three goals to Brazil or get three goals from Brazil? I think the latter is more likely, I can imagine a scenario where Argentina concedes first and then opens and Brazil scores a lot of goals, but I cannot imagine such scenario in Argentina's favor. At the moment, Brazil looks stronger and has more rest before the final.


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 Discussion Thread
Post by: snipie on July 08, 2021, 08:57:12 PM
Brazil to lift the trophy @1.57 vs @2.36 for Argentina.
BTTS @2.15 in Stake which I think is interesting. 1x2 isn't bad either but a bit risky.
From what I understood from odds, the game will most likely end in the original time, Brazil to win and Argentina won't score? Personally I think there will be extra time unless Argentina plays miserably which I doubt will happen in their most awaited trophy with Messi!


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 Discussion Thread
Post by: Joca97 on July 08, 2021, 08:57:34 PM
according to the prediction before, we aren't surprised when Brazil meets Argentina. but for Argentina, it doesn't seem to be going well because they finish it with the penalty. this means the team needs consolidation of defense not only the attacking front. Messi still in Argentina's spirit at the moment, I don't know what will happen if Messi didn't in the squad.

Messi will play in the final. Right ? Or is there any doubt about it. Argentina Colombia match went down to the penalties does not mean that Argentina is a weak team. They win the match and are strong enough to win the final against brazil.
I think Argentina wouldn't be crazy to replace Messi on the final game. If that happened you could already bet all your money in Brazil for the next game, although the odds wouldn't look interesting anyway... Even if Messi were injured they would make him play, I suppose. Without Messi the team can't go too far and the same can be said about Brazil and Neymar.
For me this final game is going to be really unpredictable, because both teams are at same level of skills and display two of the best soccer players of the world. Beyond skills, luck and psychological of the players may play a big role on this final.

Although Messi is slightly injured, he will play in the final. The Argentine team is much more dependent on Messi. When Messi is on the field, the players are mentally cheerful. To win against a strong team like Brazil, the players must be mentally strong. Aguero has not played well in any match so far. He is not in form. Still expecting a good gameplay from him. He is experienced enough. Hopefully, with the help of Messi and Aguero, Argentina will win the title this season.

Argentina can still win without Messi but it won't be easy against the strong team like Brazil. If you keep Messi out of the final, it will give a phycological advantage to Brazil and morally Argentina team will be down. I am sure they won't take this stupid decision and also i hope Messi gets 100% well before the final.

Messi from my point of view will play 100% this match he wants a trophy with Argentina so bad. He didnt win anything with them in his entire career. But Brazil always wins this big matches for some reason. But a big chance of this match will go into extra time or penalties


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 Discussion Thread
Post by: DIA7 on July 08, 2021, 09:25:24 PM
Brazil to lift the trophy @1.57 vs @2.36 for Argentina.
BTTS @2.15 in Stake which I think is interesting. 1x2 isn't bad either but a bit risky.
From what I understood from odds, the game will most likely end in the original time, Brazil to win and Argentina won't score? Personally I think there will be extra time unless Argentina plays miserably which I doubt will happen in their most awaited trophy with Messi!
the odds are on Brazil side that's no surprise, there but I think Argentina is going to be very difficult to beat this time, Messi is focused on the title while Brazil is performing well but not showing their full strength all the time,
Having Martinez as number one goalkeeper have been very good for them it's his first major tournament with  the national team and he surely have bringed on. Will he stop Brazil from scoring it will be very hard task that is why I'm expecting to see both teams scoring.


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 Discussion Thread
Post by: DU18 on July 08, 2021, 09:55:54 PM
It's been a weird tournament so far if you're watching with EURO lenses. Imagine Colombia getting nothing but draws and progressing through on penalties and then imagine Peru getting also so far and almost getting into two consecutive finals?

Brazil have been the most impressive, even as an Argentina fan (thanks to Messi) I've to admit this so I don't know but can we get a 3+ goals final right?;)

Do you mean to score three goals to Brazil or get three goals from Brazil? I think the latter is more likely, I can imagine a scenario where Argentina concedes first and then opens and Brazil scores a lot of goals, but I cannot imagine such scenario in Argentina's favor. At the moment, Brazil looks stronger and has more rest before the final.
The rivalry between the two teams will certainly make the final an interesting match to watch, especially since we know that Argentina has not won the Copa for a long time so this final will be the right momentum for Messi and the rest of the Argentinian squad, currently Messi is the temporary top scorer with 4 goals. , while neymar has scored 2 goals, so I am very sure that in the final match, Neymar will try to score many goals to be able to win the copa and at the same time become the top scorer, I think the match will be quite fierce and many goals will be created in the final match later .
My prediction is Brazil 2-2 Argentina and the match will end with a penalty kick.


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 Discussion Thread
Post by: LUCKMCFLY on July 08, 2021, 10:20:13 PM
Regarding what is expected for the game between Colombia vs Peru, there are many expectations, it is said that Peru had a poor start but that it gradually increased its level, at the moment the Colombia team is going to do its last training, many players are motivated, regardless of the third place, because many would like those $ 500K that Conmebol offers.

The possible alignments can be:

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Instead, they relied on Luis Diaz scoring his second goal of the tournament, and he will continue to feature on the left flank with Juan Cuadrado operating on the other wing.

The established back four of Daniel Munoz, Yerry Mina, Davinson Sanchez and William Tesillo should remain untouched, shielding experienced goalkeeper David Ospina between the sticks.

Peru possible starting lineup:
Gallese; Corzo, Ramos, Callens, Trauco; Tapia, Yotun; Carrillo, Pena, Cueva; Lapadula

Colombia possible starting lineup:
Ospina; Munoz, Mina, Sanchez, Tesillo; Cuadrado, Barrios, Cuellar, Diaz; Zapata, Borja

Source: https://www.sportsmole.co.uk/football/peru/copa-america/preview/preview-peru-vs-colombia-prediction-team-news-lineups_454309.html (https://www.sportsmole.co.uk/football/peru/copa-america/preview/preview-peru-vs-colombia-prediction-team-news-lineups_454309.html)

These two teams have met 17 times, and it is the first time that both teams will compete for 3rd place.


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 Discussion Thread
Post by: Ratash on July 08, 2021, 10:39:24 PM
There is so much hope for Messi to win ... or better Argentina, that it seems to me similar to the movement that took place a couple of years ago with Leonardo DiCaprio to finally win an Oscar.

Messi seem to be performing well in this copa america i think he is the main reason why argentina made it this far judging from the recent game were lautaro martinez missed an important chance for the win in the last game and in the other hand brasil may be winnig with 1 0  but they made sure to finish the game early and not leaving any chances for the opposition team i will not be surprised if the argentina team lose the title and may prevent messi from the copa america title he is seeking.


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 Discussion Thread
Post by: famososMuertos on July 08, 2021, 10:48:01 PM
...//...:

hi, LUCKYMCFLY
Hey! one moment...  :)

This has a "justification" and very recent, the penalties of Colombia Vs Uruguay, precisely the three players who missed the penalties, danced and made fun, even the Colombian player Yerry Mina made the act of sucking his finger, a very unpleasant gesture that was taken as Message to Luis Suarez for the promise he had made to his son, in that sense it is worth saying that Goalkeeper Emiliano Martinez never used foul language, such a thing is a lie, at least when the penalties were collected.

That if the gesture of Emiliano Martinez after stopping the penalty was something rude, but let's say no less offensive than what was done by the three Colombian players, anyway these guys know each other from The Premier League.

...that game is history, Colombia to play the third place.



Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 Discussion Thread
Post by: Saint-loup on July 09, 2021, 12:08:16 AM
I am very glad that I did not make this bet. Argentina disappointed me. This team has everything to achieve results in regular time (at least against weaker teams), but it waits until the lottery. I am confident that Brazil will have the advantage in the final - they show a more stable game, plus Argentina had a grueling extra 30 minutes and Brazil had one extra day of rest.
No KTChampions if you had take this bet you would have won it bro!  8) Because Lautaro Martinez has scored one goal for Argentina during the first 15minutes - he scored at the 8th minute precisely - then you would get the early goal bonus promotion from Stake and you would have received the same winnings as if Argentina had won the game. Personally I've bet on Colombia and thus I lost my bet.  

Oh, thanks for the info! I remember that I received a letter about this from Stake but was too lazy to read it  :D
You were brave to bet on Colombia! Did you bet on winning in regulation time or on the team's passage to the next round at the end of the match?
Well I've bet at Stake on the 1x2 market, for a colombian victory in the regular time, to be able to get the early goal = paid out as winner bonus but on freebitcoin I bet on the to qualify market. So it has not been a very profitable night for my bankroll.


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 Discussion Thread
Post by: Little Mouse on July 09, 2021, 08:34:16 AM
This is what happening when Brazil vs Argentina match is knocking the door. Copa America was less popular until the 2nd semi final, Euro was the hot one but now no one is even talking about the Euro. Lame supporters though- https://www.batimes.com.ar/news/world/bangladesh-on-alert-for-brazil-argentina-copa-america-clash.phtml
This is common scenery when Brazil faces Argentina.


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 Discussion Thread
Post by: KTChampions on July 09, 2021, 08:43:49 AM
Do you mean to score three goals to Brazil or get three goals from Brazil? I think the latter is more likely, I can imagine a scenario where Argentina concedes first and then opens and Brazil scores a lot of goals, but I cannot imagine such scenario in Argentina's favor. At the moment, Brazil looks stronger and has more rest before the final.
The rivalry between the two teams will certainly make the final an interesting match to watch, especially since we know that Argentina has not won the Copa for a long time so this final will be the right momentum for Messi and the rest of the Argentinian squad, currently Messi is the temporary top scorer with 4 goals. , while neymar has scored 2 goals, so I am very sure that in the final match, Neymar will try to score many goals to be able to win the copa and at the same time become the top scorer, I think the match will be quite fierce and many goals will be created in the final match later .
My prediction is Brazil 2-2 Argentina and the match will end with a penalty kick.

I do not think that the wishes of Neymar or Messi will have any serious impact on the outcome of the match - these are tertiary things and Neymar will easily give an assist pass instead of trying to score himself, as the main achievement is a team achievement, not a personal one.
I think the score of the match will be 3-1 in favor of Brazil and the match will be completed in regulation time.


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 Discussion Thread
Post by: Oshosondy on July 09, 2021, 08:57:40 AM
Hopefully, with the help of Messi and Aguero, Argentina will win the title this season.
I do not know how I can express myself, Brazil can not be underestimated at all, Argentina even played penalty to qualify for the final, while wining is not that bad for Brazil at all without penalty, though that does not mean Argentina can not win the final, but Brazil are very tough club to play with, Brazil could also emerge the winner because they even have high chance to win this match with their way of playing.


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 Discussion Thread
Post by: kassex on July 09, 2021, 09:00:13 AM
Do you mean to score three goals to Brazil or get three goals from Brazil? I think the latter is more likely, I can imagine a scenario where Argentina concedes first and then opens and Brazil scores a lot of goals, but I cannot imagine such scenario in Argentina's favor. At the moment, Brazil looks stronger and has more rest before the final.
The rivalry between the two teams will certainly make the final an interesting match to watch, especially since we know that Argentina has not won the Copa for a long time so this final will be the right momentum for Messi and the rest of the Argentinian squad, currently Messi is the temporary top scorer with 4 goals. , while neymar has scored 2 goals, so I am very sure that in the final match, Neymar will try to score many goals to be able to win the copa and at the same time become the top scorer, I think the match will be quite fierce and many goals will be created in the final match later .
My prediction is Brazil 2-2 Argentina and the match will end with a penalty kick.

I do not think that the wishes of Neymar or Messi will have any serious impact on the outcome of the match - these are tertiary things and Neymar will easily give an assist pass instead of trying to score himself, as the main achievement is a team achievement, not a personal one.
I think the score of the match will be 3-1 in favor of Brazil and the match will be completed in regulation time.
Brazil has a more balanced team than Argentina. And a more stellar squad than Argentina. I also tend to win Brazil in regulation time. But this is football and anything can happen. Messi really wants to win the trophy with the national team and I hope this time he will succeed.


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 Discussion Thread
Post by: barota on July 09, 2021, 10:27:41 AM
colombia will play against peru for third place of copa America , It's a game no one wants to play, but offers the losing semi-finalists a chance to redeem some pride by winning the bronze medal.colombia has scored less than 1.5 goals (in reg.time) in each of their last 6 Copa America games.peru has scored less than 2.5 goals (in reg.time) in 6 of the last 7 Copa America games. both team can score
personally i think the colombia and peru have equal chance gor win this match because is like amical


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 Discussion Thread
Post by: Iranus on July 09, 2021, 10:55:58 AM
colombia will play against peru for third place of copa America , It's a game no one wants to play, but offers the losing semi-finalists a chance to redeem some pride by winning the bronze medal.colombia has scored less than 1.5 goals (in reg.time) in each of their last 6 Copa America games.peru has scored less than 2.5 goals (in reg.time) in 6 of the last 7 Copa America games. both team can score
personally i think the colombia and peru have equal chance gor win this match because is like amical


Both teams have the ability to score. But I think Colombia will win this match. Because Colombia has won the last 3 matches against Peru. I think we can see Colombia's victory in today's match as well. Moreover, the Peruvian team is not in a very good position now. My guess is that Colombo will win the match 2-1.


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 Discussion Thread
Post by: poldanmig on July 09, 2021, 11:00:42 AM
colombia will play against peru for third place of copa America , It's a game no one wants to play, but offers the losing semi-finalists a chance to redeem some pride by winning the bronze medal.colombia has scored less than 1.5 goals (in reg.time) in each of their last 6 Copa America games.peru has scored less than 2.5 goals (in reg.time) in 6 of the last 7 Copa America games. both team can score
personally i think the colombia and peru have equal chance gor win this match because is like amical

If you look at the performance of the two teams in the semifinals, Peru and Colombia performed quite well in their game and we can prove this by their defeat which only lost by a narrow score, during this year Copa match, Peru and Colombia often trouble big teams like Brazil and Argentina, however, I personally prefer Colombia to win the match and even though the match is only for third place, but I think the match is very worth watching and it can be said that both teams will continue to play optimally to get the bronze medal.


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 Discussion Thread
Post by: slaman29 on July 09, 2021, 12:01:27 PM
Do you mean to score three goals to Brazil or get three goals from Brazil? I think the latter is more likely, I can imagine a scenario where Argentina concedes first and then opens and Brazil scores a lot of goals, but I cannot imagine such scenario in Argentina's favor. At the moment, Brazil looks stronger and has more rest before the final.

I mean to score 3 goals, doesn't matter to which country, I just want something entertaining. It'd be really cool to see Messi get in on all 3 goals but Argentina's defence will leak to Brazil, that is a fact. The worst possible final is that everyone plays to penalties, now that I would not be happy about. But the winners won't care;)


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 Discussion Thread
Post by: uneng on July 09, 2021, 02:26:57 PM
colombia will play against peru for third place of copa America , It's a game no one wants to play, but offers the losing semi-finalists a chance to redeem some pride by winning the bronze medal.colombia has scored less than 1.5 goals (in reg.time) in each of their last 6 Copa America games.peru has scored less than 2.5 goals (in reg.time) in 6 of the last 7 Copa America games. both team can score
personally i think the colombia and peru have equal chance gor win this match because is like amical


Both teams have the ability to score. But I think Colombia will win this match. Because Colombia has won the last 3 matches against Peru. I think we can see Colombia's victory in today's match as well. Moreover, the Peruvian team is not in a very good position now. My guess is that Colombo will win the match 2-1.
I also bet Colombia is going to win this one. They played competitively against Argentina and even against Brazil, although they have lost. On the other hand Peru doesn't show the same consistency on the field taking in consideration the games played by them on this cup and their team's history. Since it's going to be a game for the third position without any interesting rewards I believe players won't play too defensively, so the public can watch an interesting audacious game from both sides.


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 Discussion Thread
Post by: acquafredda on July 09, 2021, 02:46:30 PM
Neymar vs. Messi or Brazil vs. Argentina!
Cannot wait to watch it! In theory, Brazil should win: they showed an overall greater performance compared to Argentina and, unfortunately, Argentina has a difficult relationships with finals in general.
Add to that the Messi complex: the guy has never won anything with his national teams. Will he succeed this time?
My bet given the last two games will be as follows:
- Brazil - Arg. Brazil wins + over 1.5 goals
- Colombia - Peru Colombia wins


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 Discussion Thread
Post by: Cnut237 on July 09, 2021, 02:56:55 PM
the Messi complex: the guy has never won anything with his national teams. Will he succeed this time?

I really hope so. He's been the best player in the world for a long time. He deserves a national trophy.
But history is against him, the last time Argentina won the trophy, Messi was just about to celebrate his sixth birthday. It's been a long time, and Brazil have to be clear favourites.


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 Discussion Thread
Post by: virasog on July 09, 2021, 03:40:20 PM
the Messi complex: the guy has never won anything with his national teams. Will he succeed this time?

I really hope so. He's been the best player in the world for a long time. He deserves a national trophy.
But history is against him, the last time Argentina won the trophy, Messi was just about to celebrate his sixth birthday. It's been a long time, and Brazil have to be clear favourites.

This is the best time for Messi to change the history and become a hero for his country. Argentina has a good chances in the match if Messi performs well.

By the way, no one is taking about the 3rd position match between Colombia and Peru ? Colombia is favorite in this match.


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 Discussion Thread
Post by: LittleBitFunny on July 09, 2021, 04:05:38 PM
By the way, no one is taking about the 3rd position match between Colombia and Peru ? Colombia is favorite in this match.

I bet for Colombia today, hopefully, they won't disappoint me. Colombia played very well against Argentina. They attacked something extraordinary. Colombia can attack very fast and do counter-attacks quickly. So it looks like the Peruvian team will not be able to win against Colombia. But the match will be very competitive.


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 Discussion Thread
Post by: BITCOIN4X on July 09, 2021, 04:16:08 PM
I really hope so. He's been the best player in the world for a long time. He deserves a national trophy.
But history is against him, the last time Argentina won the trophy, Messi was just about to celebrate his sixth birthday. It's been a long time, and Brazil have to be clear favourites.
There is a reason why this year Argentina can be seeded to win the title. I see Messi in perfect form for the Copa so far with his 4 goals and 5 assists. That is the reason why think that Argentina will manage to win the title. For most people, Brazil or any other team will probably be seeded in the final because they believe Argentina have been disappointing so far in the final. But I will still give them a chance at least as long as Messi is still playing for his country.



I bet for Colombia today, hopefully, they won't disappoint me. Colombia played very well against Argentina. They attacked something extraordinary. Colombia can attack very fast and do counter-attacks quickly. So it looks like the Peruvian team will not be able to win against Colombia. But the match will be very competitive.
Argentina could have lost and would not have made it to the final if Colombia and the penalty takers made the most of their chance. It makes me happy, of course. But today I believe they will manage to secure third place.


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 Discussion Thread
Post by: snipie on July 09, 2021, 05:33:57 PM
This is what happening when Brazil vs Argentina match is knocking the door. Copa America was less popular until the 2nd semi final, Euro was the hot one but now no one is even talking about the Euro. Lame supporters though- https://www.batimes.com.ar/news/world/bangladesh-on-alert-for-brazil-argentina-copa-america-clash.phtml
This is common scenery when Brazil faces Argentina.
Electricity shortage gonna heat many places this Sunday with final game in both EURO 2020 followed few hours later by Copa America one. Clashes between fans apparently are classic there in order to take a decision just for it!

By the way, no one is taking about the 3rd position match between Colombia and Peru ? Colombia is favorite in this match.

I bet for Colombia today, hopefully, they won't disappoint me. Colombia played very well against Argentina. They attacked something extraordinary. Colombia can attack very fast and do counter-attacks quickly. So it looks like the Peruvian team will not be able to win against Colombia. But the match will be very competitive.
Indeed it is a very competitive match so riskier to bet on ;)
I think Colombia will win but I am not that confident.


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 Discussion Thread
Post by: LUCKMCFLY on July 09, 2021, 05:52:20 PM
...//...:

hi, LUCKYMCFLY
Hey! one moment...  :)

This has a "justification" and very recent, the penalties of Colombia Vs Uruguay, precisely the three players who missed the penalties, danced and made fun, even the Colombian player Yerry Mina made the act of sucking his finger, a very unpleasant gesture that was taken as Message to Luis Suarez for the promise he had made to his son, in that sense it is worth saying that Goalkeeper Emiliano Martinez never used foul language, such a thing is a lie, at least when the penalties were collected.

That if the gesture of Emiliano Martinez after stopping the penalty was something rude, but let's say no less offensive than what was done by the three Colombian players, anyway these guys know each other from The Premier League.

...that game is history, Colombia to play the third place.



Hey bro,

You are right, the truth is that I had not seen the incident with that player, although it was a very bad gesture because of the Colombian and I can understand why the performance of the Argentine goalkeeper, in fact, even Messi told him: "Bailá". Why don't you dance ”, I think these teams should learn their lesson, the style performances leave a lot to think about, in addition they also have spectators like the children who are the ones who copy many of their performances and it becomes a very bad example.

Today waiting for the match for third place, I think it is for anyone, Peru and Colombia are at the same football level for me, many bet on Colombia, but if there are penalties, luck already influences much more.


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 Discussion Thread
Post by: KTChampions on July 09, 2021, 05:57:46 PM
Do you mean to score three goals to Brazil or get three goals from Brazil? I think the latter is more likely, I can imagine a scenario where Argentina concedes first and then opens and Brazil scores a lot of goals, but I cannot imagine such scenario in Argentina's favor. At the moment, Brazil looks stronger and has more rest before the final.

I mean to score 3 goals, doesn't matter to which country, I just want something entertaining. It'd be really cool to see Messi get in on all 3 goals but Argentina's defence will leak to Brazil, that is a fact. The worst possible final is that everyone plays to penalties, now that I would not be happy about. But the winners won't care;)

In the final I expect a score of about 3-1 in favor of Brazil, so your expectations will most likely be met. And I disagree about the worst final - if the teams play in regular time, for example 3-3, then in extra time they score 2 more goals and everything ends with a penalty shootout, then such a match looks very interesting.


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 Discussion Thread
Post by: hahay on July 09, 2021, 06:43:37 PM
In the next few hours we will see the match for the third place of the tournament which will be Colombia - Peru, I personally bet on Colombia @1.81. I didn't do a lot of analysis or consideration for this match, because it looks like Colombia can be sure to win with a strong and fast game and I just hope Colombia can play the game strategy like the previous game because it was amazing.


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 Discussion Thread
Post by: alegotardo on July 09, 2021, 07:11:55 PM
In the next few hours we will see the match for the third place of the tournament which will be Colombia - Peru, I personally bet on Colombia @1.81. I didn't do a lot of analysis or consideration for this match, because it looks like Colombia can be sure to win with a strong and fast game and I just hope Colombia can play the game strategy like the previous game because it was amazing.

I completely disagree with you.

We don't even need to analyze much to be convinced that Peru is the best bet for third place in this competition.
Peru has a very strong attack, scored 8 goals and was only defeated by Brazil.
Colombia, on the other hand, only beat Equator in the 90th minute, the rests were draws or victory on penalties. He was very lucky to make it to the semifinals.
Colombia has already lost to Peru in the group stage, will they really be able to win today? I very much doubt it.


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 Discussion Thread
Post by: KTChampions on July 09, 2021, 08:55:10 PM
I completely disagree with you.

We don't even need to analyze much to be convinced that Peru is the best bet for third place in this competition.
Peru has a very strong attack, scored 8 goals and was only defeated by Brazil.
Colombia, on the other hand, only beat Equator in the 90th minute, the rests were draws or victory on penalties. He was very lucky to make it to the semifinals.
Colombia has already lost to Peru in the group stage, will they really be able to win today? I very much doubt it.

But why do bookmakers rate Colombia as the clear favorite? The odds currently offered are:

1,81 - 3,75 - 4,60

For me, this match is a complete randomness, but Colombia's odds look preferable. If I were to place bets here, then only on total, most likely there will be several goals scored here.


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 Discussion Thread
Post by: Rabi3 on July 09, 2021, 11:42:12 PM
In the next few hours we will see the match for the third place of the tournament which will be Colombia - Peru, I personally bet on Colombia @1.81. I didn't do a lot of analysis or consideration for this match, because it looks like Colombia can be sure to win with a strong and fast game and I just hope Colombia can play the game strategy like the previous game because it was amazing.

I completely disagree with you.

We don't even need to analyze much to be convinced that Peru is the best bet for third place in this competition.
Peru has a very strong attack, scored 8 goals and was only defeated by Brazil.
Colombia, on the other hand, only beat Equator in the 90th minute, the rests were draws or victory on penalties. He was very lucky to make it to the semifinals.
Colombia has already lost to Peru in the group stage, will they really be able to win today? I very much doubt it.
i agree with you, i think Peru are way better than Colombia this year, but the odds somehow says otherwise, if i am gonna bet on them i would go for double chance for Peru, or maybe a bet on total goals over 2.5 i don't think they will play defensively, it's going to be an open match.


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 Discussion Thread
Post by: SquirrelJulietGarden on July 09, 2021, 11:56:18 PM
But why do bookmakers rate Colombia as the clear favorite? The odds currently offered are:

1,81 - 3,75 - 4,60

For me, this match is a complete randomness, but Colombia's odds look preferable. If I were to place bets here, then only on total, most likely there will be several goals scored here.
Colombia have better players than Peru but the match for third position is not easy to predict. Players usually feel disappointed after they lose semi finals and begin such match for the third position with bad mood.

Peru might want the third position more than Colombia. Because Colombia with their quality, will be able to go to semi final in next Coppa America but Peru might not. They have amazing successful Coppa America this time and they will want to enjoy it till the last match.

I think Peru can win this match because they have more motivation to begin.


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 Discussion Thread
Post by: Saint-loup on July 10, 2021, 12:08:46 AM
This is what happening when Brazil vs Argentina match is knocking the door. Copa America was less popular until the 2nd semi final, Euro was the hot one but now no one is even talking about the Euro. Lame supporters though- https://www.batimes.com.ar/news/world/bangladesh-on-alert-for-brazil-argentina-copa-america-clash.phtml
This is common scenery when Brazil faces Argentina.
LOL this article is really crazy thank you for posting it. I would never think bangladeshi people were so fanatic of soccer and of latin american teams. I thought they were mainly fond of kabaddi, hockey and cricket. But now I wonder why Copa America is organized at the same time as the European Cup if these competitions are popular and followed on other continents.


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 Discussion Thread
Post by: BITCOIN4X on July 10, 2021, 01:13:52 AM
1,81 - 3,75 - 4,60
The match seem really tough for both team, Peru took the lead and Colombia trailed 0-1 before half-time. If this score holds or Peru manage to add another then it looks like whoever bet on Peru will win more money today. LOL

** Cuadrado managed to make it 1-1 a few minute ago. Ah, that's much better than before.


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 Discussion Thread
Post by: bitzizzix on July 10, 2021, 01:33:35 AM
1,81 - 3,75 - 4,60
The match seem really tough for both team, Peru took the lead and Colombia trailed 0-1 before half-time. If this score holds or Peru manage to add another then it looks like whoever bet on Peru will win more money today. LOL

** Cuadrado managed to make it 1-1 a few minute ago. Ah, that's much better than before.
Yes, the game looks difficult because both are good and the stats are just a little different, and the game is attacking each other and but in my opinion Colombia are better than Peru.
The score is now 2-1 for Colombia through Luis Fernando Diaz's 66th minute shot from outside the box which is very sharp.
Cuadrado played really well and his free-kick was incredible and scored, it looks like Colombia will win. ;D


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 Discussion Thread
Post by: BITCOIN4X on July 10, 2021, 02:06:55 AM
Yes, the game looks difficult because both are good and the stats are just a little different, and the game is attacking each other and but in my opinion Colombia are better than Peru.
The score is now 2-1 for Colombia through Luis Fernando Diaz's 66th minute shot from outside the box which is very sharp.
Cuadrado played really well and his free-kick was incredible and scored, it looks like Colombia will win. ;D
Today's high tempo match was played by Colombia vs Peru. Despite Colombia being the favourite, Peru put up a fierce fight vs Colombia so Colombia really had to bring out all its potential to score more goals before the game ended. 0-1, 1-1, 2-1, 2-2, and lastly 3-2 is proof that this is not an easy match for them. The Copa America is famous for many team that can do something surprising because almost all match are played at a high tempo.

Congratulations to Colombia for determining its destiny to secure the Copa America title as today's third place winner vs Peru. Today's 3-2 win deserve to be celebrated by all the Colombian players and staff. Tomorrow, we will actually watch the final match between Argentina vs Brazil. My guess is Argentina are the team that will win the title, but who knows maybe Brazil will still be the favourite.


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 Discussion Thread
Post by: hahay on July 10, 2021, 02:12:52 AM
In the next few hours we will see the match for the third place of the tournament which will be Colombia - Peru, I personally bet on Colombia @1.81. I didn't do a lot of analysis or consideration for this match, because it looks like Colombia can be sure to win with a strong and fast game and I just hope Colombia can play the game strategy like the previous game because it was amazing.

I completely disagree with you.

We don't even need to analyze much to be convinced that Peru is the best bet for third place in this competition.
Peru has a very strong attack, scored 8 goals and was only defeated by Brazil.
Colombia, on the other hand, only beat Equator in the 90th minute, the rests were draws or victory on penalties. He was very lucky to make it to the semifinals.
Colombia has already lost to Peru in the group stage, will they really be able to win today? I very much doubt it.
i agree with you, i think Peru are way better than Colombia this year, but the odds somehow says otherwise, if i am gonna bet on them i would go for double chance for Peru, or maybe a bet on total goals over 2.5 i don't think they will play defensively, it's going to be an open match.
So, what about the results?
Because as far as I know, Colombia won 3-2. ;D

I was just surprised that Ospina didn't play because I believed, Ospina was very good but after getting Peru to win at HT I started to doubt Colombia but still, Colombia won. I personally don't care about Colombia's defeat in the group stage, because what I saw was only Colombia against top teams like Uruguay and Argentina. Therefore, I believe Colombia was not only lucky to reach the semi-finals and to be able to fight for third place, because the fight to draw Uruguay and Argentina required a lot of effort so yeah, I don't think it was luck.
https://i.imgur.com/FKDGvpo.png


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 Discussion Thread
Post by: uneng on July 10, 2021, 02:46:06 AM
As expected we had an exciting game where both teams put a lot of energy on the offensive position trying to leave the cup with a positive impression from the public. Despite Peru loss, I think the team didn't finish too badly. They fought bravely and showed a legit desire to win the game, even knowing Colombia was visibly the favorite since the beginning.
For the next 4 years Peru will have enough time to improve their skills for the next cup, when they can finally come back stronger than before. I see potential on them for it.


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 Discussion Thread
Post by: LUCKMCFLY on July 10, 2021, 06:15:03 AM
Colombia finally took third place in the Copa América, Peru was a very tough opponent, in fact, if it hadn't been for the huge goal the Colombians scored at the last minute, I think the Pelantys would have been another story.

It seems to me that both teams showed a high level football, what is coming today will be a game that is highly anticipated, because the titans of South America will face each other, a very strong Brazil against a powerful Argentina, the eyes of the world will be on this final without a doubt. Neymar has already declared that they hope to win, that Messi is his friend but that on the court each one will fight for glory.


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 Discussion Thread
Post by: slaman29 on July 10, 2021, 07:49:04 AM
I personally don't care about Colombia's defeat in the group stage, because what I saw was only Colombia against top teams like Uruguay and Argentina. Therefore, I believe Colombia was not only lucky to reach the semi-finals and to be able to fight for third place, because the fight to draw Uruguay and Argentina required a lot of effort so yeah, I don't think it was luck.

Definitely not luck. But they did let themselves down anyway -- drawing to Argentina and Uruguay understandable, but drawing also to Venezuela AND then losing to Peru? That's what I can't forgive them hehe:)

But all good, and the clear favorites won. But they scored after 90th min and had to come from behind so it was close wasn't it?


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 Discussion Thread
Post by: FIFA worldcup on July 10, 2021, 08:14:13 AM
As expected we had an exciting game where both teams put a lot of energy on the offensive position trying to leave the cup with a positive impression from the public. Despite Peru loss, I think the team didn't finish too badly. They fought bravely and showed a legit desire to win the game, even knowing Colombia was visibly the favorite since the beginning.
For the next 4 years Peru will have enough time to improve their skills for the next cup, when they can finally come back stronger than before. I see potential on them for it.

Peru was the winner of Copa America in 1975 and since then this is one of their best performance. They have played well and managed to get 4th place in the Copa America. Lets see how they take this achievement and improve themselves for the next copa america.


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 Discussion Thread
Post by: DIA7 on July 10, 2021, 10:13:45 AM
Historically in the Copa America, Argentina achieved 7 victories against 3 for the Brazilian team and a draw on one occasion.Tomorow in the early morning we will know the champion of this version.
Messi or Neymar and who will achieve the title for his country.
Leo presented an integrated championship of goals, industry, desire and decisiveness and carried with The national team to the final, although the general quality in the team is average.
Brazil team is full of stars they were brilliant despite the presence of good quality elements in all lines, but Brazil did not give the impression that it is the undefeatable team.. will it be Argentina's first title with Messi? Or the first title for Brazil with Neymar?
For me I think it's going to be Brazil this time despite that this maybe tge last chance for Messi to left a trophy with Argentina I still favour the hosts.


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 Discussion Thread
Post by: KTChampions on July 10, 2021, 10:43:55 AM
On the one hand, the match was rather unpredictable, but in fact we got the expected result: Colombia's victory with a large number of goals scored. I did not place bets in this match, but the bet on the victory of Colombia and the total over 2.5 seemed to me to be obvious profitable bets.


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 Discussion Thread
Post by: Oshosondy on July 10, 2021, 10:50:37 AM
Colombia finally took third place in the Copa América, Peru was a very tough opponent, in fact, if it hadn't been for the huge goal the Colombians scored at the last minute, I think the Pelantys would have been another story.
I saw the game interesting in a way there were only guess from the beginning of the match to the ending of who may win the match, Colombia first scored at the end of first time while Peru equalized at the 49th minute after the start of the second half, Colombia scored the second goal while Peru tried their best to score at the 82nd minutes. This leave people to not know who will win, though I thought Colombia will win the match before the start of the match but my prediction was already fading away until Colombia scored at the 90th minutes during the last minute to the end of the second half. It was indeed an interesting match.


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 Discussion Thread
Post by: casperBGD on July 10, 2021, 11:11:17 AM
~snip
I saw the game interesting in a way there were only guess from the beginning of the match to the ending of who may win the match, Colombia first scored at the end of first time while Peru equalized at the 49th minute after the start of the second half, Colombia scored the second goal while Peru tried their best to score at the 82nd minutes. This leave people to not know who will win, though I thought Colombia will win the match before the start of the match but my prediction was already fading away until Colombia scored at the 90th minutes during the last minute to the end of the second half. It was indeed an interesting match.

actually, it was quite opposite, Peru scored and Colombia scored in second half, but minutes are correct
and that brought turnover to bookies, from 2-1 (Peru on half, Colombia at the end), which was good to guess, since there are turns at third-place competitions quite often, and a lot of goals

congrats to Colombia, third place behind Brazil and Argentina is a success


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 Discussion Thread
Post by: Oshosondy on July 10, 2021, 11:20:09 AM
actually, it was quite opposite, Peru scored and Colombia scored in second half, but minutes are correct
and that brought turnover to bookies, from 2-1 (Peru on half, Colombia at the end), which was good to guess, since there are turns at third-place competitions quite often, and a lot of goals
That was a mistake, it is true that Yoshimar Yotun first scored for Peru while Juan Cuadrado equalized it for Colombia. I just know that the game was not predictable at all of which country's team to win right from when the match started.


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 Discussion Thread
Post by: Saint-loup on July 10, 2021, 12:15:32 PM
On which sportsbook it is please? At Stake you have the same odds but a promotion is currently running, you are paid out as a winner if your team scores in the first 15 minutes (even if the other team scores in the first 15 minutes too). So I've bet on Peru, but not because I think they are able to win the game against Brazil in the regular time, but because I think they're able to score one goal during the first fifteen minutes.  ;D

Oh thanks for this alert, didn't know there was such a promo. I think there were quite a few games where early goals were scored, but can't remember except Paraguay if any of those went on to become draws/loss for the team that scored first in early time. I remember Argentina had an early own goal scoring early but they won the game anyway.
No you're wrong, to date 6 teams have scored in the first 15 minutes : Argentina 4 times, Brazil 1 time, Bolivia 1 time, Colombia 1 time, Chile 1 time, Paraguay 1 time, for a total of 9 goals (that represents 14% of all the goals scored)
Moreover, as you know the main market in soccer competitions is the 1x2 market which only concerns the regular period. And many matches have ended in a draw at the end of the regular time this year.

https://www.soccerstats.com/leagueview.asp?league=copaamerica

Is this for ALL football matches or just Copa?
It's currently for Copa America and the european cup.


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 Discussion Thread
Post by: MAAManda on July 10, 2021, 01:01:46 PM
On the one hand, the match was rather unpredictable, but in fact we got the expected result: Colombia's victory with a large number of goals scored. I did not place bets in this match, but the bet on the victory of Colombia and the total over 2.5 seemed to me to be obvious profitable bets.

Actually both teams have their respective advantages, in Peru, they have more control over the game (55% possession) while in Colombia, they have more control in attack (6 shoots on target).

Colombia was just lucky to score a goal in the final minutes of the game scored by Luis Diaz (FC Porto) :D


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 Discussion Thread
Post by: KTChampions on July 10, 2021, 02:01:45 PM
On the one hand, the match was rather unpredictable, but in fact we got the expected result: Colombia's victory with a large number of goals scored. I did not place bets in this match, but the bet on the victory of Colombia and the total over 2.5 seemed to me to be obvious profitable bets.

Actually both teams have their respective advantages, in Peru, they have more control over the game (55% possession) while in Colombia, they have more control in attack (6 shoots on target).

Colombia was just lucky to score a goal in the final minutes of the game scored by Luis Diaz (FC Porto) :D

If they had scored the decisive goal in extra time, it would have been just as lucky, right? Any competition consists of small successes and probabilities that are realized in a certain way, but the pattern is always the same: the strongest is lucky. Possession, by the way, correlates weakly with the attacking capabilities of the team - not every team has the performers of the level of the Spanish national team to turn the possession advantage into goals scored.


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 Discussion Thread
Post by: LittleBitFunny on July 10, 2021, 03:34:16 PM
~snip
I saw the game interesting in a way there were only guess from the beginning of the match to the ending of who may win the match, Colombia first scored at the end of first time while Peru equalized at the 49th minute after the start of the second half, Colombia scored the second goal while Peru tried their best to score at the 82nd minutes. This leave people to not know who will win, though I thought Colombia will win the match before the start of the match but my prediction was already fading away until Colombia scored at the 90th minutes during the last minute to the end of the second half. It was indeed an interesting match.

actually, it was quite opposite, Peru scored and Colombia scored in second half, but minutes are correct
and that brought turnover to bookies, from 2-1 (Peru on half, Colombia at the end), which was good to guess, since there are turns at third-place competitions quite often, and a lot of goals

congrats to Colombia, third place behind Brazil and Argentina is a success

The match between Colombia and Peru was very enjoyable. Both the teams have performed well. Although I was not interested in this match. I enjoyed this match as no other team match was held. However, I would be happy if the match was a draw. Luis Diaz's goal in 90 + 4 minutes was unexpected. Luis Diaz and Cuadrado have done well throughout the match.


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 Discussion Thread
Post by: famososMuertos on July 10, 2021, 03:56:06 PM
.../...on Colombia @1.81. .../..:

Those were very good odds for a game that had a clear favorite and in fact I saw them at 1.9 ... which is quite high although in other bookmakers I found them around 1.4 something more real for the current situation, But however Peru was still the way it is in the region, a team that plays well under pressure and has been doing so recently, so for those who sometimes like to go against the odds Peru was a great candidate, at least for tie. There was very good odds to cross bet on a tie.

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Edit:
The goals can be a trace of what Peru is as a team and how complicated each game in the region can be:
Yotùn 45` Pe.
Cuadrado 49` Col.
Luis Fernando Diàz 66` Col.
Gianluca Lapadula 82` Pe.
Luis Fernando Diàz 90`+4` Col.


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 Discussion Thread
Post by: Slow death on July 10, 2021, 04:05:33 PM
colombia 3 - 2 Peru

Peru was playing very well at the beginning of the game and could have scored a lot of goals but he wasted and that Peru goalkeeper started not to make a good defense, all the goals he suffers seemed like he was not very concentrated, example of the first goal of Colombia, it seemed to me that the Peru goalkeeper was not very well concentrated, Colombia's second goal was something to laugh about... the Colombian goalkeeper made a direct pass to Luis Diaz who went directly to score, in that part the Peru defense was very poorly positioned... but in the end it was a good game



for tomorrow's big game:

argentina - brazil

I bet Brazil will win this game


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 Discussion Thread
Post by: RapTarX on July 10, 2021, 04:19:15 PM
Which team are you placing your bet on? Although Brazil will have the benefit of home ground & they are ahead according to some statistics, I will bet on Argentina. Argentina has pretty good strength; unless they are unlucky, they will win & the odd is certainly more than enough to take the risk.
My bets- Argentina to win @3.94
Total goals over 2.5 @2.8
Both team to score- 2.34

https://i.ibb.co/Mn2H1J8/IMG-20210710-221614.jpg


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 Discussion Thread
Post by: snipie on July 10, 2021, 04:30:55 PM
Colombia won with 3 goals and BTTS, not bad although I forgot to place a bet since the timing of Copa America is always confusing, thought they will play tonight, didn't pay attention... So Brazil vs Argentina will be held after 7 hours and half! BTTS and Brazil to win?


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 Discussion Thread
Post by: BITCOIN4X on July 10, 2021, 04:40:45 PM
argentina - brazil

I bet Brazil will win this game
I will support Argentina to win.

But it seem that Brazil is slightly more favored than Argentina if you look at the odds provided by gambling site. But I think it's time for Argentina to win in the final. I hope it will be the best gift for Messi and Aguero before his retirement comes.


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 Discussion Thread
Post by: onecall123 on July 10, 2021, 04:43:26 PM
Which team are you placing your bet on? Although Brazil will have the benefit of home ground & they are ahead according to some statistics, I will bet on Argentina. Argentina has pretty good strength; unless they are unlucky, they will win & the odd is certainly more than enough to take the risk.
My bets- Argentina to win @3.94
Total goals over 2.5 @2.8
Both team to score- 2.34

https://i.ibb.co/Mn2H1J8/IMG-20210710-221614.jpg
Nice pick. Both team to score- 2.34 suite to me, so my bet only this single one.

I can't imagine Two giant's in Copa America final but without supporters. Despite the fact anything can happen in a match, but I can't deny this Argentina team have a great passion to win the Copa America Trophy. I'm eagerly awaiting to watch the Copa America final between Brazil and Argentina tonight.


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 Discussion Thread
Post by: LUCKMCFLY on July 10, 2021, 05:11:04 PM
I would like to highlight certain interesting facts about Argentina and Brazil, now that we are hours away from experiencing a highly anticipated Final, both the Brazilians with Neymar and Argentina with Messi have dreams of obtaining a new Copa América title, for now the squads remain in total concentration and anxious for the meeting.

https://i.imgur.com/RAfho1d.png
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* Lionel Scaloni and Tite will meet for the fourth time. Brazil has won twice (1-0 in 2018 and 2-0 in 2019) while Argentina has won once (1-0 in November 2019).  This Argentine win was the last defeat Tite has suffered as Brazil boss.

* Lionel Messi and Neymar have met on 5 occasions; the Argentina has won 3 and the Brazilian 2. For their respective national teams each has won twice, while the last game was the the final of the 2011 World Club Cup in 2011 (4-0).
Source: https://copaamerica.com/en/news/south-america-super-clasico-to-decide-the-champion (https://copaamerica.com/en/news/south-america-super-clasico-to-decide-the-champion)

Source: https://copaamerica.com/en/news/south-america-super-clasico-to-decide-the-champion (https://copaamerica.com/en/news/south-america-super-clasico-to-decide-the-champion)

There is a lot of news about the meeting, Brazilian TV channels are taking all the incidents, in Brazil today is a day off, in fact every time that Brazil plays football that day is practically a holiday.


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 Discussion Thread
Post by: ene1980 on July 10, 2021, 05:20:21 PM
Which team are you placing your bet on? Although Brazil will have the benefit of home ground & they are ahead according to some statistics, I will bet on Argentina. Argentina has pretty good strength; unless they are unlucky, they will win & the odd is certainly more than enough to take the risk.
My bets- Argentina to win @3.94
Total goals over 2.5 @2.8
Both team to score- 2.34
I am also placing a bet on Argentina to win the match and it would be perfect for the career of Lionel Messi to win the Copa America cup, Brazil on the other hand is a formidable side especially when they are playing in their country and they are undefeated for years but these data might change this time and i hope Argentina to win the match and hoping Lionel Messi to score a goal.


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 Discussion Thread
Post by: Furious 7 on July 10, 2021, 06:00:01 PM
Which team are you placing your bet on? Although Brazil will have the benefit of home ground & they are ahead according to some statistics, I will bet on Argentina. Argentina has pretty good strength; unless they are unlucky, they will win & the odd is certainly more than enough to take the risk.
My bets- Argentina to win @3.94
Total goals over 2.5 @2.8
Both team to score- 2.34
I am also placing a bet on Argentina to win the match and it would be perfect for the career of Lionel Messi to win the Copa America cup, Brazil on the other hand is a formidable side especially when they are playing in their country and they are undefeated for years but these data might change this time and i hope Argentina to win the match and hoping Lionel Messi to score a goal.
The big countries now meet in the final of the Copa America will it belong to Argentina? I predict yes this will be the champion with 1 goal.
In statistics there is a constant change over the years and this time Argentina seems to be better than Brazil and I won't forget to bet with Argentina @2.8 odds
Neymar or Messi who will lift this trophy?
Watch it.


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 Discussion Thread
Post by: Joca97 on July 10, 2021, 06:28:50 PM
Which team are you placing your bet on? Although Brazil will have the benefit of home ground & they are ahead according to some statistics, I will bet on Argentina. Argentina has pretty good strength; unless they are unlucky, they will win & the odd is certainly more than enough to take the risk.
My bets- Argentina to win @3.94
Total goals over 2.5 @2.8
Both team to score- 2.34
I am also placing a bet on Argentina to win the match and it would be perfect for the career of Lionel Messi to win the Copa America cup, Brazil on the other hand is a formidable side especially when they are playing in their country and they are undefeated for years but these data might change this time and i hope Argentina to win the match and hoping Lionel Messi to score a goal.

What a huge odd on Argentina wasnt expecting such a big odd on them in the final even handicap on Argentina is really juicy. Everyone is thinking that Argentina must win because of Messi but i think other players will have a bigger part in this match


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 Discussion Thread
Post by: eaLiTy on July 10, 2021, 07:50:46 PM
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What a huge odd on Argentina wasnt expecting such a big odd on them in the final even handicap on Argentina is really juicy. Everyone is thinking that Argentina must win because of Messi but i think other players will have a bigger part in this match
May be the huge odds on Argentina is because Messi is not fully fit as he is having ankle injury but reports are coming out that he will be playing the final but Cristian Romero is not fit to play the final and for Brazil Gabriel Jesus will miss out the final due to his foul (kick) in the quarter final, home advantage is Brazil and i wont be surprised if the match goes to penalty shootout and Argentina winning  ;).


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 Discussion Thread
Post by: ene1980 on July 10, 2021, 07:54:28 PM
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What a huge odd on Argentina wasnt expecting such a big odd on them in the final even handicap on Argentina is really juicy. Everyone is thinking that Argentina must win because of Messi but i think other players will have a bigger part in this match
All the Messi fans want Argentina to win the cup as we are not sure whether Messi will be playing the next World Cup, just came to know about the injury concern of Messi and it will be a hurdle for him to play at his best and the Brazil defenders will try to tackle his injured legs if they find him dangerous and with the home advantage we can expect anything but the odds for Argentina is good to neglect  ;D.


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 Discussion Thread
Post by: MAAManda on July 10, 2021, 08:20:27 PM
If they had scored the decisive goal in extra time, it would have been just as lucky, right? Any competition consists of small successes and probabilities that are realized in a certain way, but the pattern is always the same: the strongest is lucky.

Talking About Luck, Who do you think will win the Copa America title?

If I think Argentina will win this cup after a long time of not getting any title, even though Brazil is more favored but I still believe in Argentina (I Place a Bet For Argentina) :D



Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 Discussion Thread
Post by: Iranus on July 10, 2021, 08:29:42 PM
If they had scored the decisive goal in extra time, it would have been just as lucky, right? Any competition consists of small successes and probabilities that are realized in a certain way, but the pattern is always the same: the strongest is lucky.
Talking About Luck, Who do you think will win the Copa America title?

If I think Argentina will win this cup after a long time of not getting any title, even though Brazil is more favored but I still believe in Argentina (I Place a Bet For Argentina) :D

If Messi plays well, Argentina will win today. Messi has played in many finals before, he could not perform very well. Although he performed well throughout the World Cup season, he did not perform as expected in the final. If Messi could perform better today, Argentina would win, or Brazil would win the title.


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 Discussion Thread
Post by: boltz on July 10, 2021, 09:11:57 PM
If they had scored the decisive goal in extra time, it would have been just as lucky, right? Any competition consists of small successes and probabilities that are realized in a certain way, but the pattern is always the same: the strongest is lucky.

Talking About Luck, Who do you think will win the Copa America title?

If I think Argentina will win this cup after a long time of not getting any title, even though Brazil is more favored but I still believe in Argentina (I Place a Bet For Argentina) :D



If Messi plays well, Argentina will win today. Messi has played in many finals before, he could not perform very well. Although he performed well throughout the World Cup season, he did not perform as expected in the final. If Messi could perform better today, Argentina would win, or Brazil would win the title.

I hope for the same story to happen because I really want to see Messi win a trophy with Argentina and what greater place than defeating Brazil in their own country ? I know that for the fans of Brazil , to suffer another defeat on home pitch would be a little much after that Germany game that still has open wounded even today.

Personally, I would like to see a game where both teams are playing well and who plays better to lift the trophy at the end. We also might have penalties as there is no overtime in Copa America.


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 Discussion Thread
Post by: KTChampions on July 10, 2021, 10:44:09 PM
If they had scored the decisive goal in extra time, it would have been just as lucky, right? Any competition consists of small successes and probabilities that are realized in a certain way, but the pattern is always the same: the strongest is lucky.

Talking About Luck, Who do you think will win the Copa America title?

If I think Argentina will win this cup after a long time of not getting any title, even though Brazil is more favored but I still believe in Argentina (I Place a Bet For Argentina) :D

I have already written my prediction - Brazil will win approximately 3-1 in regulation time. The only scenario in which Argentina can win is either a penalty shootout (very unlikely) or an "accidental" goal against Brazil and then playing from defense with chances of counterattacking. But to be honest, I doubt that Argentina will be able to play so disciplined even if given the chance.


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 Discussion Thread
Post by: nelson4lov on July 10, 2021, 11:25:23 PM
The line ups are now available.



From the lineups, it's evident that Brazil has packed a loaded squad ahead of the game. But if one thing I've learned from the international matches this year ~ both Copa America and Euro 2020, is the fact that having a packed squad filled with quality is one thing. Getting them to play as a team and build cohesion is another. As much as I'd love to side with Messi and Argentina, I'll be going with the favorites, Brazil.

The weekend just got a lot more interesting. Waiting patiently now. Just ~35 minutes to go before kickoff.


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 Discussion Thread
Post by: Rabi3 on July 10, 2021, 11:37:34 PM
If I think Argentina will win this cup after a long time of not getting any title, even though Brazil is more favored but I still believe in Argentina (I Place a Bet For Argentina) :D


i don't think so, i think this is the favorites' match, Messi just can't do it alone, he needs a team, Argentina needs team play, watching throughout the matches of the Copa America this year i didn't see a lot of teamwork, even though i think Messi deserve it but i think Brazil will win it and it's going to be another disappointment for Messi unfortunately.


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 Discussion Thread
Post by: BitcoinHunt3r on July 10, 2021, 11:59:43 PM
If I think Argentina will win this cup after a long time of not getting any title, even though Brazil is more favored but I still believe in Argentina (I Place a Bet For Argentina) :D


i don't think so, i think this is the favorites' match, Messi just can't do it alone, he needs a team, Argentina needs team play, watching throughout the matches of the Copa America this year i didn't see a lot of teamwork, even though i think Messi deserve it but i think Brazil will win it and it's going to be another disappointment for Messi unfortunately.

In just a few minutes we will see the results  :) based on the current line up, of course Brazil is more favorite but not too far because in Argentina there are Messi and Martinez, specially Martinez this player seems onfire. If the game is open I'm sure there will be a lot of goals but if both teams play carefully there may not be a goal.


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 Discussion Thread
Post by: blue Snow on July 11, 2021, 12:28:11 AM
Argentina vs Brazil now. Temporary 1 - 0 for Argentina, scored by Dimaria. The match is very tight, both teams are attacking each other, looks narrow space for players to make the movement, the team is still dominated by Messi and Neymar. I still watch it, cause I bet for Brazil.


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 Discussion Thread
Post by: Harkorede on July 11, 2021, 12:52:36 AM
Argentina vs Brazil now. Temporary 1 - 0 for Argentina, scored by Dimaria. The match is very tight, both teams are attacking each other, looks narrow space for players to make the movement, the team is still dominated by Messi and Neymar. I still watch it, cause I bet for Brazil.

Argentina have gotten everything right in the first half and they deserved the lead, they're pressing pretty well high up the pitch and not affording Brazil breathing spaces to dictate the play. It was an intense half and if it were to be some less lenient Referee handling this match there would have been about 3 yellow cards for each team.

There is still everything to play for and Argentina cannot afford to get caught off their guards after the break.


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 Discussion Thread
Post by: LittleBitFunny on July 11, 2021, 12:54:15 AM
At the end of the first half, Argentina is leading 1-0. Di Maria scored the only goal for Argentina. Players from both teams are playing great. Both teams are attacking a lot and creating opportunities to score. The outcome of the match is yet to be predicted. The outcome of such a match is unpredictable, but I want Argentina to win the match and Messi to taste a cup.


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 Discussion Thread
Post by: FIFA worldcup on July 11, 2021, 12:55:04 AM
I would like to highlight certain interesting facts about Argentina and Brazil, now that we are hours away from experiencing a highly anticipated Final, both the Brazilians with Neymar and Argentina with Messi have dreams of obtaining a new Copa América title, for now the squads remain in total concentration and anxious for the meeting.

First half is over and Argentina has a lead of 1-0. There are not many shots on the goal but Argentina is playing better than brazil. Brazil need to focus and play more aggressively else Argentina can easily defend this score and win the title.

In summary, First half = Advantage Argentina  :)


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 Discussion Thread
Post by: kro55 on July 11, 2021, 12:59:26 AM
At the end of the first half, Argentina is leading 1-0. Di Maria scored the only goal for Argentina. Players from both teams are playing great. Both teams are attacking a lot and creating opportunities to score. The outcome of the match is yet to be predicted. The outcome of such a match is unpredictable, but I want Argentina to win the match and Messi to taste a cup.

Wait and see what will be happen. Brazil is a good team with some talented star players. They will tried their best to beat Argentina. Since Argentina are already ahead, they should play very carefully from now on. Do some defensive play and counterattack. However, Argentina is weak in terms of counterattak. If they could counterattack well, I would say Argentina would win today's match.


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 Discussion Thread
Post by: Saint-loup on July 11, 2021, 01:00:55 AM
I would like to highlight certain interesting facts about Argentina and Brazil, now that we are hours away from experiencing a highly anticipated Final, both the Brazilians with Neymar and Argentina with Messi have dreams of obtaining a new Copa América title, for now the squads remain in total concentration and anxious for the meeting.

First half is over and Argentina has a lead of 1-0. There are not many shots on the goal but Argentina is playing better than brazil. Brazil need to focus and play more aggressively else Argentina can easily defend this score and win the title.

In summary, First half = Advantage Argentina  :)
No it's not an advantage. Argentina has quite easily won the first half and confirmed to be a tough early/first goal scorer with this goal from Angel Di Maria at the 22th minute. It will be hard for Brazil to beat them at the second half.


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 Discussion Thread
Post by: Maidak on July 11, 2021, 01:03:06 AM
I would like to highlight certain interesting facts about Argentina and Brazil, now that we are hours away from experiencing a highly anticipated Final, both the Brazilians with Neymar and Argentina with Messi have dreams of obtaining a new Copa América title, for now the squads remain in total concentration and anxious for the meeting.

First half is over and Argentina has a lead of 1-0. There are not many shots on the goal but Argentina is playing better than brazil. Brazil need to focus and play more aggressively else Argentina can easily defend this score and win the title.

In summary, First half = Advantage Argentina  :)

Brazil will have to play more aggressively, otherwise they will not be able to win. Brazil tried to take a few shots but the Argentine defenders blocked something extraordinary. And it's hard to break through the defense. However, the Brazilian striker is very experienced. Hopefully in the second half we will see a goal from Brazil.


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 Discussion Thread
Post by: Swordsoffreedom on July 11, 2021, 01:20:31 AM
Where is the great Aguero!? One of the best strikers in the Premier League. Even after 60 minutes of match-time, I can't see Aguero on the field. He was out of form in all Copa America matches. But I thought he would do something strange in the final and help the team win. But the coach is not feeling the need for it at the moment.


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 Discussion Thread
Post by: blue Snow on July 11, 2021, 01:25:44 AM
It will be hard for Brazil to beat them at the second half.
Yes, I was already happy when brazil scored but unfortunately, it's offside. the game is very competitive, Brazil is very enthusiastic to equalize the score but Argentina also wants to create more goals. Messi is the soul and has a desire to winning because to cover this year without the title.

Where is the great Aguero!?
Maybe be a substitute in the last minutes.


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 Discussion Thread
Post by: FIFA worldcup on July 11, 2021, 01:56:03 AM
Argentina Wins the Copa America 2021

What a moment for Argentina and for the legend Messi. Truly deserved to be the champions.


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 Discussion Thread
Post by: Rabi3 on July 11, 2021, 02:10:42 AM
Argentina Wins the Copa America 2021

What a moment for Argentina and for the legend Messi. Truly deserved to be the champions.
they finally did it, one goal was enough in this match to decide the winner, Brazil's performance was disappointing, it seemed like Argentina wanted the title more than them, and they did win it, and just like you said, Truly deserved, it's their first title since 1993, after the end of the match most players went straight to Messi and hugged him, appreciating all what he did for Argentina, he also deserves winning the award for best player in Copa America this year, what a legend.


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 Discussion Thread
Post by: masulum on July 11, 2021, 02:11:10 AM
Argentina Wins the Copa America 2021

What a moment for Argentina and for the legend Messi. Truly deserved to be the champions.

This is the first trophy for Messi in the national team. A very good result for Messi after his long waiting to help his country win a trophy. With this result, at least Messi will probably get a new club soon after leaving Barcelona.

Congratulations for Argentina & Messi

https://media.giphy.com/media/l0IsHIEqZbGMPEdbO/giphy.gif
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Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 Discussion Thread
Post by: Saint-loup on July 11, 2021, 02:12:03 AM
The big countries now meet in the final of the Copa America will it belong to Argentina? I predict yes this will be the champion with 1 goal.
In statistics there is a constant change over the years and this time Argentina seems to be better than Brazil and I won't forget to bet with Argentina @2.8 odds
Neymar or Messi who will lift this trophy?
Watch it.
WOW that's crazy Furious7!  :o You've been right for the winner and for the score, I don't know if you've just been lucky but YOU are the champion too 8) Besides that's really heartbroken to see Neymar crying like a child :'( but at least he made me win my bet on Argentina so I thank him for that and I sympathize with him.


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 Discussion Thread
Post by: nelson4lov on July 11, 2021, 02:15:39 AM
Commentary ~ "Jubilation for Messi, anguish for Neymar". Despite the fact that I anticipated this match since the weekend started but started feeling sleepy just after kickoff (it was played in midnight in my timezone). I wanted to opt for sleep but decided to watch considering the kind of energy I saw. Can't deny that's the best game I've watch in a while. Brazil threw everything they had at Argentina but Messi's teammates came through for him same way Ronaldo's teammate came through for him in Euro 2016. That's the kind of entertainment I love to see!

Honours:

Best Player - Lionel Messi
Top scorer - Lionel Messi.

Happy to see that the greatest player on earth has one his first major trophy for Argentina.


I felt bad for Neymar. He practically gave everything he had to the game and ended up on the losing side. Took to serious tears after final whistle. What a player!

If I loved anything about this game, it's the energy and emotions!


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 Discussion Thread
Post by: ingiltere on July 11, 2021, 02:19:25 AM
Messi proved one more time he's the greatest of all time that have ever touched the football. Congratulations to Messi and all Argentina team, they deserved this cup. Messi is also top goalscorer with 4 goals in the tournament.
Argentina had 15th championship, now they are equal to Uruguay and they both have the most championship in Copa America. Argentina won it first time since 1993.
Neymar need to wait next tournament, he wasn't in the squad when Brasil won in 2019.


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 [Argentina The Champions]
Post by: blue Snow on July 11, 2021, 02:30:06 AM
Congratulations on Argentina, I was expected for brazil but Argentina is superior in American land. this is the first time Messi got senior national titles team. After 28's years since 1993, Argentina also got in the Copa title either. This is also a final tribute to Messi, he may be retiring for the next.

I saw Neymar approaching his best friend Messi to congratulate him either. this is a great achievement of both when they together in Barcelona either.

I have edited the title thread and have to lock this thread in tomorrow (07/12).


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 [Argentina The Champions]
Post by: hahay on July 11, 2021, 02:33:51 AM
Congratulations to Argentina and Lionel Messi for waiting for a moment like this. Honestly, I really didn't have a feeling who would win until I chose to bet on the number of goals but yes, it was a losing bet but I don't care about the losing bet I made because anyway, I'm very happy to see Argentina and Messi succeed this time. Argentina and Brazil have equal chances to win and it proved how big a struggle Brazil was after trailing 1-0 but unfortunately, goalkeeper Martinez played very well in this final.


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 [Argentina The Champions]
Post by: skarais on July 11, 2021, 02:34:28 AM
And finally, Argentina won this title after a long time. Congratulations to Argentina and everyone involved in this fun. This is Messi's first Copa America title and congratulations to him too. His two individual achievement seem to be proof that he really deserves to win the 2021 Copa America.

I saw how happy he was in this video.

https://i.ibb.co/wRFQNbm/Screenshot-2021-07-11-09-31-19-55-0b2fce7a16bf2b728d6ffa28c8d60efb.jpg (https://twitter.com/Pengatur_Skor67/status/1414048849925001222?s=19)




Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 [Argentina The Champions]
Post by: UmerIdrees on July 11, 2021, 03:01:57 AM
Live and memorable pictures of celebration.
Today is early Sunday in my country  and i got up early only to see the final and not to miss the final of Copa America.  ;)

https://i.imgur.com/9o71mcS.jpg


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 [Argentina The Champions]
Post by: kro55 on July 11, 2021, 03:17:47 AM
Congratulations to Argentina and Lionel Messi for waiting for a moment like this. Honestly, I really didn't have a feeling who would win until I chose to bet on the number of goals but yes, it was a losing bet but I don't care about the losing bet I made because anyway, I'm very happy to see Argentina and Messi succeed this time. Argentina and Brazil have equal chances to win and it proved how big a struggle Brazil was after trailing 1-0 but unfortunately, goalkeeper Martinez played very well in this final.

Argentina has performed as well as I expected from Argentina. However, the turning point of the match was the goal of Di Maria. If Argentina had not scored first, they would not have won this match. Brazil's defenders are much more efficient than Argentina's defenders. I won today's bet, I'm happy now. However, I am more than happy to see Messi win an international trophy. Congratulation Argentine squad.  ;D


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 Discussion Thread
Post by: Sithara007 on July 11, 2021, 03:40:08 AM
Messi proved one more time he's the greatest of all time that have ever touched the football.

LOL.... I agree that this was a great win by Argentina, and that too against one of the top teams in the world (Brazil). But will it be right to call Messi the best player ever? I wouldn't even rate him as the best player ever to represent Argentina. For me, Diego Maradona is the no.1, followed by Messi at no.2. But still I would rate Messi ahead of others like Alfredo Di Stefano and Daniel Alberto Passarella. Anyway.. these things don't matter now. The big news is that Argentina has won Copa for the 15th time (and for the first time after 1993).


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 [Argentina The Champions]
Post by: rhomelmabini on July 11, 2021, 03:47:43 AM
Yayyy, Messi did it again. Congratulations to AFA and it's like a destine one because they just launched their fan token this late of May if I recall it correctly, I'm pretty sure it may become hype, just putting some hints on where this FOMO comes in.

I wouldn't even rate him as the best player ever to represent Argentina. For me, Diego Maradona is the no.1, followed by Messi at no.2. But still I would rate Messi ahead of others like Alfredo Di Stefano and Daniel Alberto Passarella. Anyway..
I guess they're both great in there own ways but no wonder Messi can be called a GOAT too and that matters right now.


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 [Argentina The Champions]
Post by: BitcoinHunt3r on July 11, 2021, 05:03:20 AM
Congratulations to Argentina and Lionel Messi for waiting for a moment like this. Honestly, I really didn't have a feeling who would win until I chose to bet on the number of goals but yes, it was a losing bet but I don't care about the losing bet I made because anyway, I'm very happy to see Argentina and Messi succeed this time. Argentina and Brazil have equal chances to win and it proved how big a struggle Brazil was after trailing 1-0 but unfortunately, goalkeeper Martinez played very well in this final.

Argentina has performed as well as I expected from Argentina. However, the turning point of the match was the goal of Di Maria. If Argentina had not scored first, they would not have won this match. Brazil's defenders are much more efficient than Argentina's defenders. I won today's bet, I'm happy now. However, I am more than happy to see Messi win an international trophy. Congratulation Argentine squad.  ;D

You have a good feeling dude while I choose Brazil because I doubt the odds for Argentina are @3.7  and finally i got stuck  :D i forgot this is Final and odds should be 50:50
DiMaria and the Argentine goalkeeper deserve to be the best in this match they are the key to this victory I mean the most instrumental.
Congratulation Argentina.


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 [Argentina The Champions]
Post by: ingiltere on July 11, 2021, 05:12:54 AM
I wouldn't even rate him as the best player ever to represent Argentina. For me, Diego Maradona is the no.1, followed by Messi at no.2. But still I would rate Messi ahead of others like Alfredo Di Stefano and Daniel Alberto Passarella. Anyway..
I guess they're both great in there own ways but no wonder Messi can be called a GOAT too and that matters right now.

Yeah, they were great at their time but I've never even heard anyone compare them to Messi, lol that must be a joke or something. He is now undisputed goat, discussion is over for most people except some fanboys.  Even if he couldn't get this trophy that wouldn't lower his value, but finally winning after all these finals put a big smile to his face and all the supporters. He carried Argentina for years and finally won a major trophy. Maradona would be proud too if he saw that.


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 [Argentina The Champions]
Post by: hahay on July 11, 2021, 05:17:32 AM
Congratulations to Argentina and Lionel Messi for waiting for a moment like this. Honestly, I really didn't have a feeling who would win until I chose to bet on the number of goals but yes, it was a losing bet but I don't care about the losing bet I made because anyway, I'm very happy to see Argentina and Messi succeed this time. Argentina and Brazil have equal chances to win and it proved how big a struggle Brazil was after trailing 1-0 but unfortunately, goalkeeper Martinez played very well in this final.

Argentina has performed as well as I expected from Argentina. However, the turning point of the match was the goal of Di Maria. If Argentina had not scored first, they would not have won this match. Brazil's defenders are much more efficient than Argentina's defenders. I won today's bet, I'm happy now. However, I am more than happy to see Messi win an international trophy. Congratulation Argentine squad.  ;D

You have a good feeling dude while I choose Brazil because I doubt the odds for Argentina are @3.7  and finally i got stuck  :D i forgot this is Final and odds should be 50:50
DiMaria and the Argentine goalkeeper deserve to be the best in this match they are the key to this victory I mean the most instrumental.
Congratulation Argentina.
That's right, I remember the odds for Argentina @3.xx and congrats to you @kro55, anyway it's been a really fun day I guess. In fact, even though I lost the bet but I really feel happy to see Messi can finally give the title to Argentina. Because as far as I know or is it just a rumor, about Messi who has chosen to retire after failing in the 2019 Copa America but in fact, Messi is still willing to rejoin the national team in this 2021 Copa America after many requests and support given. If this is the end of his career with the national team, then of course this will be the last beautiful gift from Messi to Argentina. But by the way, there is one more player in this game who is very good I think and he is De Paul, this player has great power throughout the game and in fact, De Paul was the assist for DiMaria's goal.


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 Discussion Thread
Post by: gabbie2010 on July 11, 2021, 05:21:41 AM
Argentina Wins the Copa America 2021

What a moment for Argentina and for the legend Messi. Truly deserved to be the champions.

This is the first trophy for Messi in the national team. A very good result for Messi after his long waiting to help his country win a trophy. With this result, at least Messi will probably get a new club soon after leaving Barcelona.

Congratulations for Argentina & Messi

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Congratulations to Messi after enduring a very long time without a winning a trophy for his country 10th attempts in a major tournament is quite incredible going by his talents and trophies won with Barcelona.
This really worth celebrating no wonder his teammates hurled him into air after the final whistle to celebrate him 4 goals with 7 assist, player of the tournament, top scorer  are good records in this competition, I am very happy for him while his former teammate Neymar broke down in tears a big disappointment very unlucky just like losing in UCL with PSG.


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 [Argentina The Champions]
Post by: onecall123 on July 11, 2021, 05:24:14 AM

I wouldn't even rate him as the best player ever to represent Argentina. For me, Diego Maradona is the no.1, followed by Messi at no.2. But still I would rate Messi ahead of others like Alfredo Di Stefano and Daniel Alberto Passarella. Anyway..
I guess they're both great in there own ways but no wonder Messi can be called a GOAT too and that matters right now.
Yes, both are the greatest of their eras. Messi is now the center of attention. He is the GOAT! Finally, Leo Messi touched the International Trophy with Argentina after 14 years of struggle! I was supposed to be smiling, but instead I'm crying. He deserves many international titles! Congratulations to Argentina, today a new history begins.


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 [Argentina The Champions]
Post by: JohnBitCo on July 11, 2021, 06:21:22 AM

I wouldn't even rate him as the best player ever to represent Argentina. For me, Diego Maradona is the no.1, followed by Messi at no.2. But still I would rate Messi ahead of others like Alfredo Di Stefano and Daniel Alberto Passarella. Anyway..
I guess they're both great in there own ways but no wonder Messi can be called a GOAT too and that matters right now.
Yes, both are the greatest of their eras. Messi is now the center of attention. He is the GOAT! Finally, Leo Messi touched the International Trophy with Argentina after 14 years of struggle! I was supposed to be smiling, but instead I'm crying. He deserves many international titles! Congratulations to Argentina, today a new history begins.


This might be Leo Messi first and last international trophy win for his country and that was the reason he was crying with happiness. Such feelings and moments are once in a life time and are always remember. If Diego Maradona was alive, he would have been very happy today.


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 [Argentina The Champions]
Post by: Saint-loup on July 11, 2021, 06:21:31 AM
Congratulations to Argentina and Lionel Messi for waiting for a moment like this. Honestly, I really didn't have a feeling who would win until I chose to bet on the number of goals but yes, it was a losing bet but I don't care about the losing bet I made because anyway, I'm very happy to see Argentina and Messi succeed this time. Argentina and Brazil have equal chances to win and it proved how big a struggle Brazil was after trailing 1-0 but unfortunately, goalkeeper Martinez played very well in this final.

Argentina has performed as well as I expected from Argentina. However, the turning point of the match was the goal of Di Maria. If Argentina had not scored first, they would not have won this match. Brazil's defenders are much more efficient than Argentina's defenders. I won today's bet, I'm happy now. However, I am more than happy to see Messi win an international trophy. Congratulation Argentine squad.  ;D
You should respect Argentina more than that, Argentina has won with a clean sheet I remind you. They've easily won the first half 1-0 and were able to keep a draw 0-0 at the second half to get the victory, I really doubt they wouldn't be able to score another time if Brazil had scored too, because they were simply better than Brazil today, nobody can say the opposite.  


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 [Argentina The Champions]
Post by: Cnut237 on July 11, 2021, 06:30:51 AM
If Argentina had not scored first, they would not have won this match. Brazil's defenders are much more efficient than Argentina's defenders. I won today's bet, I'm happy now. However, I am more than happy to see Messi win an international trophy. Congratulation Argentine squad.  ;D

It's difficult to say what would have happened. If Di Maria hadn't scored when he did, then the match would have unfolded differently. We don't know how it would have played out.
But yes, congratulations to Messi. I'm really glad for him that he finally won a major international trophy. He is the greatest player of the current era, and he deserves it. :)


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 [Argentina The Champions]
Post by: MusaMohamed on July 11, 2021, 07:08:43 AM
If Argentina had not scored first, they would not have won this match. Brazil's defenders are much more efficient than Argentina's defenders. I won today's bet, I'm happy now. However, I am more than happy to see Messi win an international trophy. Congratulation Argentine squad.  ;D
Football is like that. One moment, one goal, one mistake can change a match. In World Cup 2010, if Robben had scored for Netherlands, they would have won their first World Cup.

In past Coppa America, if Higuain had scored for Arghentina with a key pass from Messi, Arghentina would have won tat Coppa America.

Di Maria scored a great goal and Messi as well as Arghentina protect their goal very well to take the trophy.

It's difficult to say what would have happened. If Di Maria hadn't scored when he did, then the match would have unfolded differently. We don't know how it would have played out.
But yes, congratulations to Messi. I'm really glad for him that he finally won a major international trophy. He is the greatest player of the current era, and he deserves it. :)
Congratulations to Messi and Arghentina.

Finally Messi has his first national title and he can think of retirement with at least one big title for the nation. He does not owed the nation that title but I believe he will feel better from now. In next big World Cup or Coppa America, Messi will begin with less pressure.

After all, Messi and Ronaldo have their national titles. They deserve it.


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 [Argentina The Champions]
Post by: BIT-BENDER on July 11, 2021, 08:24:37 AM
Although this is Argentina senior team Copa America win since a long time -1993- since am not an Argentine am not really excited about that, but am excited that at long last Messi has his hands on a senior team trophy for Argentina, I see so many people even those not so much interested in football all showing Leonel Messi respect and Love, I think he and his team deserves it although watching him in this tournament he has fallen back than he used to when he was younger, but regardless this is a great achievement for Messi's indomitable trophy cabinet. Congratulations Messi congratulations Argentina.


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 [Argentina The Champions]
Post by: virasog on July 11, 2021, 08:38:09 AM
Football is like that. One moment, one goal, one mistake can change a match. In World Cup 2010, if Robben had scored for Netherlands, they would have won their first World Cup.

As we move towards the knock out stages, this become more critical. In a final, both the teams have strong defense (as they have managed to come through all the way to the final) and normally a single goal is enough for a teams victory. This happened in today's match and Argentina got the early goal and that was the decider of the winner.


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 [Argentina The Champions]
Post by: snipie on July 11, 2021, 08:42:33 AM
Congratulations Argentina!
I didn't expect this when I compare their overall performance to Brazil. At the end Messi could retire calmly next year? after the World Cup maybe? and claim that Argentina won something under his control.


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 [Argentina The Champions]
Post by: Oshosondy on July 11, 2021, 08:48:19 AM
Although this is Argentina senior team Copa America win since a long time -1993- since am not an Argentine am not really excited about that, but am excited that at long last Messi has his hands on a senior team trophy for Argentina
I couldn't check the livescore as it was 1 AM in my country, so I slept. I just woke up not quite long expecting Brazil to have won. I wish Argentina to win because I am a big fan of Messi, but I thought Brazil would win Argentina until I woke up to see the goal scored by Angel Di Maria for Argentina at the 22nd minute. This likely resulted to Argentina team able to play defence match with Brazil that let to the winning if the match. I am just happy to see Argentina won because this is the first time Messi was part of the winning team.


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 [Argentina The Champions]
Post by: acquafredda on July 11, 2021, 08:51:51 AM
Argentina success was desired and wished for. A real accomplishment considering that Argentina had never beaten Brazil at the Maracanà in a match valid for an international tournament. Both Messi and Neymar did not particularly shine but the Albiceleste was able to win Copa America 28 years after the last time. Leo Messi, finally, manages to win an important trophy with the national team after 4 lost finals (3 in Copa America and 1 at the World Cup). IMHO Argentina deserved its success, driven by the extraordinary quality of Di Maria (scorer) and De Paul, perhaps unexpected, but by far the best player on the field.



Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 [Argentina The Champions]
Post by: DIA7 on July 11, 2021, 08:57:29 AM
Argentina success was desired and wished for. A real accomplishment considering that Argentina had never beaten Brazil at the Maracanà in a match valid for an international tournament. Both Messi and Neymar did not particularly shine but the Albiceleste was able to win Copa America 28 years after the last time. Leo Messi, finally, manages to win an important trophy with the national team after 4 lost finals (3 in Copa America and 1 at the World Cup). IMHO Argentina deserved its success, driven by the extraordinary quality of Di Maria (scorer) and De Paul, perhaps unexpected, but by far the best player on the field.


Messi was the man of the tournament after becoming the top scorer with 4 goals, most assists with 5, contributing 9 goals out of 12 for his team.
An unforgettable tournament for Messi and Argentina, he certainly did not attend it alone, and everyone helped him, starting with the giant Emiliano Martinez, Angel Di Maria,and other more .
But this title is especially for Messi, because he was very close to glory in 2014, 2015 and 2016, and he made great levels, but lost them thanks to very, very, very small details, either a missed opportunity, a killer goal, a penalty kick, or bad luck. It is a moment that embodies the importance of trying, perseverance and not despair, because whenever you try and fail, and try again, there will certainly come a day and you will reap what you sowed, and this is what happened to Messi at last.
This win got to boost his chances to win the Ballon d'or award since there is no clear candidate to win it.


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 [Argentina The Champions]
Post by: buwaytress on July 11, 2021, 09:06:12 AM
Argentina has performed as well as I expected from Argentina. However, the turning point of the match was the goal of Di Maria. If Argentina had not scored first, they would not have won this match. Brazil's defenders are much more efficient than Argentina's defenders. I won today's bet, I'm happy now. However, I am more than happy to see Messi win an international trophy. Congratulation Argentine squad.  ;D
You should respect Argentina more than that, Argentina has won with a clean sheet I remind you. They've easily won the first half 1-0 and were able to keep a draw 0-0 at the second half to get the victory, I really doubt they wouldn't be able to score another time if Brazil had scored too, because they were simply better than Brazil today, nobody can say the opposite.  
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Yeah, think we gotta credit the team who won, against a team who hadn't lost a single game during the entire tournament -- I actually bet on Brazil as part of a parlay but I'm just as happy to see Messi lift a trophy finally, man that guys deserves it for carrying his country on his shoulders for years.

Didn't watch the game, far too late for me, but match more or less went as I predicted (except for the result). Few corners, many cards, more attempts from Brazil.


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 [Argentina The Champions]
Post by: Altryist on July 11, 2021, 09:15:23 AM
Argentina success was desired and wished for. A real accomplishment considering that Argentina had never beaten Brazil at the Maracanà in a match valid for an international tournament. Both Messi and Neymar did not particularly shine but the Albiceleste was able to win Copa America 28 years after the last time. Leo Messi, finally, manages to win an important trophy with the national team after 4 lost finals (3 in Copa America and 1 at the World Cup). IMHO Argentina deserved its success, driven by the extraordinary quality of Di Maria (scorer) and De Paul, perhaps unexpected, but by far the best player on the field.


I expected the best performance from Brazil, but I’m ready to admit that Argentina really was the best in this match. I am very glad that Messi has finally achieved a great result with the Argentine national team, such a great footballer deserves the highest achievements in all tournaments. Congratulations to the Argentina team!


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 [Argentina The Champions]
Post by: CryptocurencyKing on July 11, 2021, 09:35:59 AM
It's a big win for the Argentine team of of course and most of all, for the team captain Lionel Messi which as waited on a trophysuch as this with his national team for so long with many attempts. Again, with the team that was being played against #Brazil, it almost felt like an impossible wish for Argentina to lift the trophy but, this is football and despite the fact that, there would always be a fierced team, it never determines who wins the day. The team that means it the most on the pitch that day often comes forth triumphant.
Congrats to Angel Di Maria who made that happen and also, to Lionel Messi who has always carried the burden of this team most of all. Now, he could be at peace with himself @Messi


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 [Argentina The Champions]
Post by: DU18 on July 11, 2021, 10:09:43 AM
this year copa cup became messi's first trophy and of course this has silenced all criticism of messi who has been considered unable to bring argentina to champions since 2005, before this, Lionel Messi actually brought argentina through four times to the final of a major tournament but unfortunately they always lose in the final,  and with this victory, Lionel Messi has managed to get 2 trophies, namely the Copa America Trophy and as the top scorer,  and in my opinion his success in bringing Argentina to win the Copa will make Lionel Messi more likely to win the  Ballon d'Or 2021.


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 [Argentina The Champions]
Post by: KTChampions on July 11, 2021, 10:23:28 AM
On the one hand, it is good that the match ended unexpectedly, but on the other hand, with such results, the America's Cup will never outgrow the status of a third-rate tournament where all the results are random. I'm glad for Messi, but it looks like this trophy will cause another wave of fanaticism from which everyone is already tired, I think  :-\


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 [Argentina The Champions]
Post by: yazher on July 11, 2021, 10:36:06 AM
Congratulations Argentina!
I didn't expect this when I compare their overall performance to Brazil. At the end Messi could retire calmly next year? after the World Cup maybe? and claim that Argentina won something under his control.

That was really surprising but as you said this tournament was for them and Messi could end up his career nicely with them winning the championship. By the way, he hasn't announced any retirement yet so maybe he will participate in the upcoming world cup as well and finally conclude his legendary football career.


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 [Argentina The Champions]
Post by: virasog on July 11, 2021, 10:42:47 AM
Congratulations Argentina!
I didn't expect this when I compare their overall performance to Brazil. At the end Messi could retire calmly next year? after the World Cup maybe? and claim that Argentina won something under his control.

That was really surprising but as you said this tournament was for them and Messi could end up his career nicely with them winning the championship. By the way, he hasn't announced any retirement yet so maybe he will participate in the upcoming world cup as well and finally conclude his legendary football career.

Regardless of the fact that Messi retires now or after the world cup and how Argentina perform in the upcoming world cup, Messi has done the job for his country and is a true legend.
Argentina has produced few legends in football and no doubt he is one of them.


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 [Argentina The Champions]
Post by: Soonandwaite on July 11, 2021, 10:47:04 AM
congratulations argentina,congratulations Lionel Messi . after 28 years finally a copa América title for Argentina and also the first big title for Lionel Messi in the national team .
Ángel Di María scored the decisive goal in this match in the 21 minute.
unfortunately, there were only 4500 people in the stadium for this final. corona is destroying football in brazil too.
Lionel Messi and Neymar were voted the best players of the tournament.


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 [Argentina The Champions]
Post by: slaman29 on July 11, 2021, 11:35:24 AM
Can't say enough how happy I am for my man Messi. I don't know about his future anymore at Barca but I expect him to still be there, but it doesn't matter anymore. First Suarez wins the title with Atletico and now Messi his first major title other than Olympics, so I feel like the universe has been kind to my two heroes. I can rest easy now.

Ballon again though? Not sure.


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 [Argentina The Champions]
Post by: bryant.coleman on July 11, 2021, 12:41:07 PM
This might be Leo Messi first and last international trophy win for his country and that was the reason he was crying with happiness. Such feelings and moments are once in a life time and are always remember. If Diego Maradona was alive, he would have been very happy today.

I would have been happier if the legend Diego Maradona was alive to see this. He was always worried about Argentina's slump during recent times. This victory hold enormous significance for every Argentina fan around the world. I am residing in Asia, and a lot of my friends and neighbors were cheering for Argentina. Bad luck for Neymar and the Brazilian team, but this time it was the turn of Argentina to lift the trophy after such a lengthy gap. I just hope that they will perform well in the next world cup as well.


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 [Argentina The Champions]
Post by: Iranus on July 11, 2021, 12:46:01 PM
Can't say enough how happy I am for my man Messi. I don't know about his future anymore at Barca but I expect him to still be there, but it doesn't matter anymore. First Suarez wins the title with Atletico and now Messi his first major title other than Olympics, so I feel like the universe has been kind to my two heroes. I can rest easy now.

Ballon again though? Not sure.

Hopefully Messi is going to win the Ballon again. Has performed exceptionally well throughout Copa America. He has scored 4 goals and 5 assists. If Harry Kane performs outstandingly in today's match and England becomes Euro champions, Kane has a chance to win the Ballon d'Or.


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 [Argentina The Champions]
Post by: MAAManda on July 11, 2021, 01:09:40 PM
Can't say enough how happy I am for my man Messi. I don't know about his future anymore at Barca but I expect him to still be there, but it doesn't matter anymore. First Suarez wins the title with Atletico and now Messi his first major title other than Olympics, so I feel like the universe has been kind to my two heroes. I can rest easy now.

Ballon again though? Not sure.

I think Messi will stay at Barcelona until he retires, Btw just like you, I am also very happy to see Argentina win and to see Messi holding the trophy in the senior national team for the first time after 5 defeats in the final. Ronaldo already achieved it at EURO 2016 ago, now it's Messi's turn :D

When it comes to the Ballon d'or, I'm not sure Messi will get it ???


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 [Argentina The Champions]
Post by: SaShiRaJaVu on July 11, 2021, 01:23:27 PM
It's difficult to say what would have happened. If Di Maria hadn't scored when he did, then the match would have unfolded differently. We don't know how it would have played out.
But yes, congratulations to Messi. I'm really glad for him that he finally won a major international trophy. He is the greatest player of the current era, and he deserves it. :)
One goal is more than enough to solidify the victory and it is not a competition about the goal difference  :P.
 There was a hand of god dubbed goal where they won the World Cup, we could now say what would have happened if there was The video assistant referee (VAR) they could not have won that.

Glad that Messi finally got to touch a cup with the International team while CR7 achieved a few years back  :D.


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 [Argentina The Champions]
Post by: barota on July 11, 2021, 01:30:31 PM
Argentina won their first trophy since 1993 on Saturday, and Lionel Messi finally earned silverware with his national team as they beat Brazil 1-0 at the Maracana in the 2021 Copa America final. Lionel Messi named best player of the Copa America,  Angel Di Maria's first-half goal was enough for win the copa america argentina merit this win , argentina played better than brazil in all thing mostly the control , possession , attack , defence congratulation for argentina


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 [Argentina The Champions]
Post by: Slow death on July 11, 2021, 02:37:20 PM
so far I can't believe that Brazil lost without at least not having managed to score at least 1 goal. one thing is to lose, which is normal, but to lose without scoring at least 1 goal is something bad. another point was the poor positioning of the brazilian goalkeeper made the argentina score 1 goal. I don't understand why the brazilian goalkeeper was not in the goal, even the brazil players were shocked. it was a goal that surprised me. but finally congratulations to Brazil.

Angel Di Maria's first-half goal was enough for win the copa america argentina merit this win

I expected that this game would have a lot of goals, I was a little disappointed

I think Messi will stay at Barcelona until he retires

after seeing what happened to sergio ramos it would no longer surprise me if messi left barcelona


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 [Argentina The Champions]
Post by: uneng on July 11, 2021, 02:41:03 PM
Congratulations to the winners in field and outside the field, that are the gamblers who took the risks of betting on this unpredictable match against the favorite giant Brazil. Argentina knew all they had to do was to neutralize Neymar to overcome the brazilian team. On the other hand, all Brazil had to do was to neutralize Messi as well, however in the end they weren't able to do it with the same efficiency argentinians did.
Anyway I think Argentina really deserved this victory because they were trying for so long as was Messi, I feel good for them. Furthermore brazilian players and coach didn't want to play this cup since it was announced the games would be held in Brazil, creating a lot of unnecessary fud on the media. Probably they weren't inspired to play.


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 [Argentina The Champions]
Post by: bitzizzix on July 11, 2021, 02:58:00 PM
Argentina won their first trophy since 1993 on Saturday, and Lionel Messi finally earned silverware with his national team as they beat Brazil 1-0 at the Maracana in the 2021 Copa America final. Lionel Messi named best player of the Copa America,  Angel Di Maria's first-half goal was enough for win the copa america argentina merit this win , argentina played better than brazil in all thing mostly the control , possession , attack , defence congratulation for argentina
Yes, what you said has been discussed before and it's true and Argentina deserve to be champions of Copa America 2021 after beating Brazil 1-0 in the final and also playing very well even though Brazil also played really hard trying to equalize the score and it didn't work.
but Emiliano the Argentine goalkeeper was able to show a very good performance in guarding Argentina's goal throughout the match and thanks to his great contribution, Lionel Messi and his friends were able to lift the championship trophy.


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 [Argentina The Champions]
Post by: Zilon on July 11, 2021, 03:09:44 PM
It's really unbelievable I was so shocked to watch Brazil defeated by 1:0. It was really an interesting match I must confess. But the whole game kept me I big surprise. Kudos to Di Maria for his brilliant goal that was too professional and Alisson had no chance to save the tipped ball. Congratulations to Argentina.


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 [Argentina The Champions]
Post by: eaLiTy on July 11, 2021, 04:11:42 PM
I think Messi will stay at Barcelona until he retires, Btw just like you, I am also very happy to see Argentina win and to see Messi holding the trophy in the senior national team for the first time after 5 defeats in the final. Ronaldo already achieved it at EURO 2016 ago, now it's Messi's turn :D
It looks like Lionel Messi will end his career until Barcelona plans on removing him and before that they need to find a talent who could replace him, when Lionel Messi came to Barcelona Ronaldinho was the superstar and eventually replaced him and that is what i am expecting to see, if not he will end his career with Barcelona.

When it comes to the Ballon d'or, I'm not sure Messi will get it ???
Lionel Messi was not in his best form to guarantee the Ballon d'or but he has a chance because of the win.


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 [Argentina The Champions]
Post by: kro55 on July 11, 2021, 04:28:25 PM
It's really unbelievable I was so shocked to watch Brazil defeated by 1:0. It was really an interesting match I must confess. But the whole game kept me I big surprise. Kudos to Di Maria for his brilliant goal that was too professional and Alisson had no chance to save the tipped ball. Congratulations to Argentina.
Why are you wondering? Isn't Argentina a good team? They have done well in every Copa America match. Moreover, Messi is in great form now. And the team's defense is much stronger now than before. Argentina have the abvility to beat Brazil, and Argentina is playing well enough against Brazil so they are champions now.


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 [Argentina The Champions]
Post by: bitzizzix on July 11, 2021, 05:31:33 PM
It's really unbelievable I was so shocked to watch Brazil defeated by 1:0. It was really an interesting match I must confess. But the whole game kept me I big surprise. Kudos to Di Maria for his brilliant goal that was too professional and Alisson had no chance to save the tipped ball. Congratulations to Argentina.
Why are you wondering? Isn't Argentina a good team? They have done well in every Copa America match. Moreover, Messi is in great form now. And the team's defense is much stronger now than before. Argentina have the abvility to beat Brazil, and Argentina is playing well enough against Brazil so they are champions now.
Actually Brazil are statistically superior and also dominate the game only Argentina's defense and their goalkeeper are very good and very disciplined in playing and are luckier than Brazil.

I honestly thought Brazil would equalize because they kept attacking after conceding a goal from De Maria's shot in the 22nd minute, and overall Argentina played well including goalkeeper Emiliano.


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 [Argentina The Champions]
Post by: famososMuertos on July 11, 2021, 06:53:55 PM
History will remember Argentina's triumph as the day Messi finally won his title with the national team after 28 years. But for me the great heroes that made that possible were:
Lionel Scaloni (DT)> De Paul> Di Maria: Argentine Champion.

The Argentine Literal Director neutralized Neymar Jr. playing with "kicks"/fouls, even the famous commentator of Directv sports (Juan Pablo Varsky) "Argentine" recognized it as "Kick shit" of the Argentines for the Brazilian player.

It should be noted that in the HuH match Neymar Jr. Vs Messi, the winner is Neymar, he was always seen facing, wanting, eye both players suffered very similar strategies in their marking, but in my opinion Messi leaves another final for those who We follow them or not, the desire to be the decisive player, with that magic that he always has with his (ex) Barcelona team.

Now, nothing takes away his excellence and good game, but being a player from another planet, maybe we get used to wanting to see him solve games and especially in a final with his national team.

So, the triumph of Argentina and the brilliance of that championship in The name of Messi only say what a good player he has always been, well deserved and is vindicated to definitively enter the club of the great players of the world.

My tribute to that excellent Goal:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E6CXCWJVUAUAZ3l.jpg



Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 [Argentina The Champions]
Post by: justdimin on July 11, 2021, 08:16:37 PM
It was a very special day for Messi, everyone running towards Messi at the end there showed how everyone knew the importance for Messi as well. I mean it is really not easy to win these type of tournaments, everything has to click and you have to directly impact the game in order to go this far.

I am very happy for Messi, dude really deserved it and he finally got it, he waited waaaay too long for this, I believed they could have found some good players over the years to help Messi and get the team to a much higher level eventually but there were never another "star" level of player in the team, that is why I wasn't sure if they were capable of winning it this year. In the end mad men managed to beat everyone and finally get here, it was a very entertaining finals game as well, I really had a lot of fun watching it even though it was very late at night, even early morning to be fair.


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 [Argentina The Champions]
Post by: Ratash on July 11, 2021, 09:10:23 PM
It was a very special day for Messi, everyone running towards Messi at the end there showed how everyone knew the importance for Messi as well. I mean it is really not easy to win these type of tournaments, everything has to click and you have to directly impact the game in order to go this far.

I am very happy for Messi, dude really deserved it and he finally got it, he waited waaaay too long for this, I believed they could have found some good players over the years to help Messi and get the team to a much higher level eventually but there were never another "star" level of player in the team, that is why I wasn't sure if they were capable of winning it this year. In the end mad men managed to beat everyone and finally get here, it was a very entertaining finals game as well, I really had a lot of fun watching it even though it was very late at night, even early morning to be fair.
It was a really hard road so far losing two finals and with the big rivality between messi and ronaldo it was time for messi to win a title with his country as you said  the argentina players knew the importance for this game for messi we saw what a great performance they showed they were very tight in the defence neymar couldnt do a thing that showed the high performance argentina players displayed.


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 [Argentina The Champions]
Post by: South Park on July 11, 2021, 09:26:18 PM
It's difficult to say what would have happened. If Di Maria hadn't scored when he did, then the match would have unfolded differently. We don't know how it would have played out.
But yes, congratulations to Messi. I'm really glad for him that he finally won a major international trophy. He is the greatest player of the current era, and he deserves it. :)
Congratulations to Messi and Arghentina.

Finally Messi has his first national title and he can think of retirement with at least one big title for the nation. He does not owed the nation that title but I believe he will feel better from now. In next big World Cup or Coppa America, Messi will begin with less pressure.

After all, Messi and Ronaldo have their national titles. They deserve it.
This is great relief for him, after all one of the reasons he was so criticized in his country was that he had gained nothing when representing his country, after all he has won everything that he could possibility win when playing for Barcelona but nothing with Argentina and while this is not as important as the world cup at least it is something and now he can retire from it knowing that he owes nothing to anyone and do whatever he wants from now on.


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 [Argentina The Champions]
Post by: Smartvirus on July 11, 2021, 11:09:13 PM
Had to go watch the highlights of the Copa America as the game fell at an ungodly hour, not so ungodly though for me to view a game but then, it was a classic game for sure. The Di Maria goal left Casemiro wondering where Di Maria came from, how he got there alone and the Di Maria on the other hand wasted no time in taking his decision on how and where to place the ball. It was perfect to have the ball lobbed into the goal and by that, gave Argentina the trophy. Lionel Messi has got Di Maria to thank for this one, to have delivered for him what he has tried for many seasons but couldn't deliver for himself, an important trophy with the Argentines national team. They did good all of them.


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 [Argentina The Champions]
Post by: blue Snow on July 12, 2021, 01:40:48 AM
Messi, De paul, and Dimaria make Argentina be the champions and of course helped out by another player, but both players are very dominant in the match. And I hear the news Messi is injured during the game, he got it when versus Colombia. In this situation, he was willing to endure his injured for the sake of Argentina. I really salute, that's why Argentina deserves to win.


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 [Argentina The Champions]
Post by: BuNga_cute on July 12, 2021, 02:59:15 AM
Messi, De paul, and Dimaria make Argentina be the champions and of course helped out by another player, but both players are very dominant in the match. And I hear the news Messi is injured during the game, he got it when versus Colombia. In this situation, he was willing to endure his injured for the sake of Argentina. I really salute, that's why Argentina deserves to win.


Actually Brazil is a little bit better statistically than Argentina, but Argentina's defense is very solid,  especially Montiel's performance is extraordinary
once in a few times breaking the Brazilian attack. But Messi did hold a very heavy responsibility in that match, therefore there is a golden opportunity
in front of goal to get a pass from Rodrigo de Paul, Messi failed to convert into a goal, that's because Messi's pressure is big enough. But it all
ended beautifully for Messi, Messi's expression was very visible when he smiled happily when Argentina won the Copa America trophy. Even though
Messi has often won trophies in his football career, winning the Copa America trophy is a different matter, because the last time Argentina won
the Copa America was in 1993. Congratulations to Argentina, they deserved to be winners.


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 [Argentina The Champions]
Post by: MusaMohamed on July 12, 2021, 06:08:14 AM
This is great relief for him, after all one of the reasons he was so criticized in his country was that he had gained nothing when representing his country, after all he has won everything that he could possibility win when playing for Barcelona but nothing with Argentina and while this is not as important as the world cup at least it is something and now he can retire from it knowing that he owes nothing to anyone and do whatever he wants from now on.
Messi contributes many matches, goals and assists for Arghentina and he deserves to win at least one national title. It looks perfect when they won the Coppa America with a goal from Di Maria, not from Messi. Because it shows Arghentina can win important matches, final matches without dependence on goal from Messi.

The generation of Messi, Aguero, Di Maria, Otamendi eventually can smile happily with a title they fights for in many years.


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 [Argentina The Champions]
Post by: slaman29 on July 12, 2021, 10:03:43 AM
Can't say enough how happy I am for my man Messi. I don't know about his future anymore at Barca but I expect him to still be there, but it doesn't matter anymore. First Suarez wins the title with Atletico and now Messi his first major title other than Olympics, so I feel like the universe has been kind to my two heroes. I can rest easy now.

Ballon again though? Not sure.

Hopefully Messi is going to win the Ballon again. Has performed exceptionally well throughout Copa America. He has scored 4 goals and 5 assists. If Harry Kane performs outstandingly in today's match and England becomes Euro champions, Kane has a chance to win the Ballon d'Or.

My dream of course, if he wins it and wins every honor there is to win from now on until he retires. But even objectively I'm not sure I can say he would deserve it this season, but it is interesting to note he was involved in every single goal in Copa except the final, so he basically really did was responsible for getting Argentina to the final, but they won that one with a new fresh team and without needing his involvement.

Kane can't do it, man, sorry, even if he won EURO he hasn't done enough at international or club level (not his fault).


Title: Re: [CONMEBOL] Copa America 2021 [Argentina The Champions]
Post by: blue Snow on July 12, 2021, 10:40:49 AM
in front of goal to get a pass from Rodrigo de Paul, Messi failed to convert into a goal, that's because Messi's pressure is big enough.
Because Messi doesn't really play loose at the moment, he seems to be confused between shooting or passing, so the goalkeeper quickly grabs the ball.

Because it shows Argentina can win important matches, final matches without dependence on goal from Messi.
Messi also provided many assists for the previous games, Messi actually as spirit team with or without create goals.


I have to lock this thread, the game has a winner. we have witnessed quite an interesting match in the midst of a pandemic situation. thanks for all posted and the discussion.