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As the community of this forum I believe has its own language I would be happy to do a poll. I wonder how many of you have been vaccinated.

Please write in reply if you did, what was the reason?

completely free of charge?
Or was it the influence of the environment, prohibitions, etc.?

I'm vaccinated, it is free of charge, and is done on my own volition. I work in a lab wherein COVID samples are delivered to, and we do the testing directly to confirm whether the virus is present in the sample or not. Even if I do not work in an environment wherein we are required to get the vaccine, I'd still take the jab as the shots undergone all the necessary trials before it was rendered safe to be administered on humans by the WHO and other independent scientific organizations and bodies.

The way you describe your job, you seem to have a cool one, I too am vaccinated although I opt to be vaccinated by the vaccines that are likely to have more efficacy since I want to make sure that I don't have to do another one or get infected because I've seen the feeling of getting the virus, you really want to breath as a human and that's what's taken away from you when you have one.

Yep, got the vaccination.  I've never been anti-vaccine--far from it, though I don't like government, school, or employer mandates for people to get the COVID shot.  I got it because I didn't see much risk to it, since vaccine technology is pretty well advanced and the manufacturers of them know what they're doing.  Are there risks?  Always.  But the benefits outweigh those risks IMO, and I don't want to have to deal with the hassle of being unvaccinated if we're forced into a "vaccine passport" situation.

It was a compromise of my values, true, but this wasn't a hill that I was willing to die on.

Yup, got the shot. I have been vaccinated for numerous things when I was a kid and this is just a continuation of that as I was always pro vaccination. Thinking about yearly flue vaccinations when I get to a certain age.

I have yet not considered taking the shot. I'm not scared of the middle nor syringe because I have taken other vaccines but I have not seen the reason to go under it at the moment maybe in days to come, I could put myself out for it.

Since getting the vaxx is unnecessary, because all it takes for most people is supplementing on vitamin C + zinc, and vitamin D, why waste the time? In this case, there is so much contradictory info going around about the safety of this vaxx, that it is safer not doing until somebody figures out who is right.

One of the big red flags is that government and the medical are talking about using force. Why are they doing this when people were never dropping around each other like flies in a bug spray? Something fishy going on about this whole thing.

If I ever trusted government and the medical before, I'd think a dozen times about trusting them now.

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Nothing is free of charge. We are all paying a great deal for it… Here in the US, the cost is quickly rising to nearly 10 trillion dollars. This ridiculous spending to fight a cold is going to hinder our country’s future for generations. I also don’t know what the policies are where you live, but if the other option from getting a vaccine is losing your job, I’d question the on your own volition statement.

In reality, you were likely forced to take the vaccine or lose your livelihood and your great grandchildren will still be paying the costs, both financially and through loss of freedom as a result.

I am not vaccinated and never going to be that is what is my mind for very long, the government forced us to get vaccinated in many ways but I just don't like it and if they force me to be vaccinated to do anything I just walk away from there.

Most people have no way to know if they are 'vaccinated' or not.

For one, 'vaccinated' and 'injected' (or 'jabbed') are two very different things.  You can have the jab, but if you die 5 weeks later you will be quietly labeled as 'unvaccinated' by the definition used by corp/gov.  Or if you die 3 months after your last jab you will be considered 'unvaccinated' in some places.  This is how they game the numbers and get data for mainstream media to do headlines.

For two, there is growing evidence that the 'self-spreading vaccine' technology which has been a source of interest for a long time is not being used, for trials at least, in various areas.  Since the designer DNA of some if these 'platforms' is carried in a virus, one way to do it might be to simply forego the development work to make sure the infectious virus (adenovirus, measles virus, etc) does not replicate.  Most of these viruses don't even need 'gain of function' work to be able to spread around efficiently.

At least if one gets 'vaccinated' without being 'jabbed' then there should not be as much of the other crap which they can inject in with a syringe.  Parasites, nano-particles, paramagnetic material, self-assembling structures, possibly graphene, etc, etc.

I have received my first dose of the Covid19 vaccine. The second dose I will receive next week.
My motivation is an obvious reason to prevent infection but even vaccinated I will be taking care of myself as if I were without the vaccine.
Covid19 taught us a lesson and it is time to make a change in our lives and love life with all its accessories so to speak.
We must be committed to taking care of everything that surrounds us, and improving as humans.

Nothing to worry about. Your casket is still there waiting for you.

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I don't know if you know but the European Medicines Agency - EMA has already identified 3 diseases that can occur after vaccination.
This is now.

What about in 5 years ?

-erythema multiforme
-nephrotic syndrome
-nephritis

Uncomplete,not totally all vaccinated,i'm one of them,because of some reason ,infact i believe to my immune system,still energetic,just maintain food rich in nutrients that's it.,let people give vaccine,those they wanted.

Coercion, passports, teasing, media manipulation. censorship on anti vaccine topics on google , youtube - add yourself microsoft and other big corporations with propaganda. This is sick.

Either we educate people honestly or we sow propaganda and accomplish their goals of fooling people.

I got my second shot in June.

I did it because I do not want to develop serious covid related complications in case I do get infected with the virus.

I wear an N95 mask everywhere I go in public.  I try to stay away from humans as much as possible.

I only leave my property for emergencies.

Typically wouldn't respond to "plandemic" surveys.
I'm vaccinated, my insurance wasn't charged, at the time my job gave a $100. to get vaccinated but I'd already decided to get it.
If nothing changes, I'll continue with boosters as long as recommended, the same way I get my flu shot every year.

I'm pro-vaccines but against Covid-Vaccine mandates.

If this is a genuine attempt at setting up a survey, then it is best to use unbiased language. The use of the word 'plandemic' in the thread title indicates quite clearly that you have an ulterior motive, and are not interested primarily in gathering data to reach a conclusion. Rather, you have already reached a conclusion, and are looking for any available evidence that might support it.



Yes, I had the vaccine.
Yes, it was completely free of charge. 94 million doses have been given in my country. No-one has been charged anything for any of them.

BTW... Vaccination is not a freedom issue. You are not free to stand in a public place with a gun and shoot down random passersby. Similarly, you should not be free to stand in a public place and cough potentially lethal virus onto people.

I am not vaccinated. It doesn't seem that it'll have any positive effect to me (lots of vaccinated people still get covid), but can have negative impact. I don't want to get experimental vaccine, such a thing should be well paid job. I don't think my country is rich enough to spend so much money for covid-restrictions and I don't want to participate on destroying life to next generation of our descendants. Our government lied too often about covid to be trusted anymore.

I am vaccinated. One of my doses cost me $10 and the other one was for free. I had taken the vaccine out of my own will. While it is completely voluntary for you to take the doses, right now i encourage everyone to get it. We didn't defeat the flu all by natural immunity. Many had to get the flu vaccines.

It is quite surprising how, people can object to taking vaccines completely without understanding what it is. While it is prudent avoid a vaccine that has been rushed or experimental, it is a complete lack of knowledge when you avoid it just because you find a conspiracy in it.

Yes, people who take vaccines can still be infected by COVID - but the severity of COVID after taking virus is very low.

For those who are avoiding vaccines, i fully respect your choice to do so. But please maintain a nutritious diet and have enough immunity boosting foods to stay healthy and avoid public places.

Shit man, are you trying to give me false hope or something?!?

I haven't had any vaccinations for over 60 years, and I am never ill. All of the people I know who get the 'flu have been vaccinated against it. I never get it. People seem to use vaccination as a way to continue unhealthy habit such as smoking, and the excessive consumption of refined sugar. It doesn't work. Just get up off your bums and get some exercise, and cut down on the expensive habits that are destroying your health, and shortening your lifespan.

I've spent much of the afternoon disagreeing with you in various threads, but I certainly agree with this. Whilst living healthily doesn't make you invincible, neither does vaccination. Regardless of whether or not you've had the vaccine, you improve your chances, and indeed your quality of life in general, if you eat healthily, exercise regularly, don't drink/smoke etc.

If you are morbidly obese and have taken the vaccine, you are indisputably at higher risk than if you have taken the vaccine and are not morbidly obese.

I don't understand about what hope you are talking about. I just typed my reasons why I became anti-vaxxer these days...

I mean I had kind of given up hope that anyone could look at the situation, recognize some of the risks, unknowns, benefits, etc, and come to what I feel to be a common sense conclusion about what is right for them.

Seems like I recall that you might be one of those persons from SE Asia.  It would be especially heartening to me if citizens of these countries are thinking logically because the political leaderships may (or may not) be able to be dragged along toward a position of sanity by the masses.  Else, they are certainly going to be fishing for IMF and World Bank money, and that translates to men with guns will ultimately make sure that all but the top elite get the jab eventually.

Well that’s just good advice inside or out of a plandemic. While it’s always nice to have time with friends, interactions with random people in society can leave some things to be desired. It’s always nice to have your faith in humanity restored by the kind act of a stranger, but more typically I find myself shaking my head and wondering how some people make it…

Yes, I got vaccinated. No, not because of disease - I don't fear at all to get covid. During whole year without taking any precautions I didn't got covid. Though, maybe I had it without symptoms, I don't know, I haven't been tested.
Main reason why I took vaccine is because that I want to avoid restrictions. Travelling without requirements to make tests and go into isolation, or simply go into restaurant. And I think that many people took vaccine because of similar reasons, not disease. Many people had to take vaccine because they were forced to do it and didn't had other choice.

Sorry, I'm not from Asia at all, I live in Europe. But I think that it is similar everywhere. Officially the vaxx are voluntary, but government is doing everything to force people to it. There are really big money in it, so I'm not wondering... I think that in Asia it is much worse that in EU, but I am not sure... Because of my opinion I already lost my job. It is not easy these days...

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Totally undestand your attitude. I personally know lot of people with similar one. But do you realize, that it won't end with one-shot? Soon we will have to go for jab periodically every few months, we will have covidpasses, even more restristions... So you avoid restrictions in short-time, but you did the worst thing in a long-time. If people didn't obey government in every restriction in spring/summer 2020, we can have no restriciotns today. If we obey every government shit today, we do not have less restrictions tommorow.

The reason that we still have restrictions is that the virus is still circulating, with a high R-value. And the main reason for this is that we haven't quite achieved herd immunity, because not enough people have taken the vaccine. It is anti-vaxxers who are causing the restrictions, which is strange as they are the ones responsible.

Look at the data.

How you feeling? What's it like ?
How'd you feel two hours later taking the jab ?
So you're giving a go ahead for people to be positive and get vaccinated ?
Too much questions hope you don't mind,a whole lot down my ends scared of being vaccinated.
I'm only curious about it.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5362543.msg58034750#msg58034750

I really have a hard time figuring out how things vary from place to place.  Even within the neighborhoods within the city within the country which I am situated, much less the rest of the world.

Certainly there are very uniform 'instructions' being applied world-wide, and the control channels are the same as have been used to transfer instructions for such things as the 'Millennium Development Goals'.  Not a big surprise as it's clearly the same people running the plandemic at the top levels.  Just as certainly, gaining and 'understanding' of how things actually are in a locale via mainstream media content is prone to complete failure.  When I read the mainstream global media reports about my specific area, I would think that it is the worst place on earth.  In fact when I walk down to the little community store most people are not even wearing masks and certainly not 'social distancing' or any of that nonsense.

In my neighborhood the percentage of the population with any interest in getting the jab is under 10%.  Could more be forced into it?  Sure.  What that number actually would be is currently unknown and obviously depends on the force which is employed.  I'm waiting for food assistance to be granted only to the jabbed, but to date the number isn't high enough to roll out that mechanism yet.

In the country I am the normal people in the hoods and barios have very little interest in the injection and seem to not trust it.  A fair number of the upper middle classes who work for the govt (or extract enough money from it to buy such luxuries as 4-wheeled vehicles from said) really are sold on the injection and really do want to get it.  I suspect that this is a genuine difference in population dynamics in more wealthy countries where the state is not the source of wealth for most people who have some, but again, it's really hard to know.

Another factor is that (I'm pretty confident to say that) the formulation is different both for the country, and for the rural vs. the urban populations.  Based on my own local knowledge I'd give the ratio of people given the jab in the rural areas at around 1/1000 dropping dead within a week.  Older people primarily, but in the rural areas everyone knows everyone else, and very often they are blood related.  It is also the case that the country I'm in has had a long history with 'special' injections be they used for development trials or flat out population management and often with observable negative results.  Enough to where many rural people are already on alert status about the 'vitamin shots for the kiddies' well before the plandemic was touched off.

I voted yes, and I'm glad that most people on this forum got vaccinated already.

To me it's a question of trusting modern science(btw, it was the Moderna vaccine, what a funny coincidence! :) ). But all jokes aside, even if it was called Olderna, I would take it still. The main reason is that from all the people I know personally only poorly educated ones (more than half in my circle, unfortunately) are opposed to COVID-19 vaccinations. The higher the level of education of somebody, the more he/she supports vaccination.

Vote was like two vaxxed to six unvaxxed when I first saw it.  Then the 'cycling club' class folks seemed to have picked up on it and hailed their 'social media influencer' friends to do damage control (and turn a little pocket change in the process.)

Situation in my country. Government lied us about almost everything from last year spring. They scared people on purpose. They abused whole situation to steal public funds. They're changing rules of restrictions based upon their private interest. The restrictions had no effect and still destroying economy of whole country. This is the purpose why antivaxxers exists - the government just lost people's trust. Look at the data? Which one? The one from liers?

I know some people close to me who lives in country, where government choosed different way. They simply don't lie (much) and don't try to steal (much). In that country, the situation is different - the people trust government and trust to vaccines. In our country, we trust nobody, government is an enemy and people get jabs just because of fear.

What about mutations? How will your holy vaccine help there?

Yeah, I understand that that government soon can start to invite people to take third shot and it's very unlikely that it will be the last one. And I'm completely not fascinated about it. But what you're offering? It's easy to tell not obey government shit, but for example without covid passport I would be required to make tests every few days in order to go to work.

I think that even with vaccines, herd immunity isn't possible. It's because we have mutations like Delta and vaccines isn't that effective against it - numbers of vaxxed people getting infected isn't small.

Natural herd immunity is the reason why less than 1% of the world's population ever got Covid. And it's way less than 1% when you understand that even the CDC said that 94% of the Covid dead were really from comorbidities. In fact, the vast majority getting Covid these days, are getting it from the Covid vaxxes.

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EDIT: You know what comorbidities is all about, right? It's like packing a camel up with all kinds of packs full of wares, packing it so full that is almost ready to collapse under the load. Then you add a straw, the camel collapses, and you call it the straw that broke the camel's back.

You could have tossed a cigarette up on the camel, or a cup of water, or a pencil, or a marble, maybe a hair pin, or all kinds of other tiny things, and the camel would have gone down just like it did from the straw. The straw (Covid) didn't do it. The camel was simply overloaded in the first place (with cancer, heart disease, diabetes, etc.).

I have not been vaccinated as well,reasons is because I do not have the dreaded disease.I am not a covid patient,I know it's not only the victims that needs to be vaccinated,but the idea of getting covid Vaccination as not for once come to my mind of to be vaccinated.

So many person's have already been vaccinated reasons is because they are scared,and don't want to be victim of that disease.Most of them take it because they already have a symptom of it.

Sorry to say, but I didn't offering anything - I am not kind of messiah or something. I've already lost my job and I still don't have solution for my own situation. It is little bit late to not obey restrictions and don't get penalties. It was going to work without sanctions last year summer - now it is much more harder to resist, thanks to one year of obedient kneeling. But without resistance, it will be much harder in future then today... There is a saying in our country: We will eat what we cooked.

It's a novel virus. There is no pre-existing immunity. You get immunity by either catching it, or taking the vaccine.


You don't understand what 'comorbidities' means. If you are questioning reason for death, simply look at excess deaths, from any reason.


Do you have data to support this blatant untruth?


I understand, yes.

 
So look at excess deaths from any reason. I've posted the data and the charts many many times. There's no need for me to do so again.

I have not been vaccinated and I do not intend to have it. I do not see any need for it as the government of my country is playing politics with the COVID thing and not telling citizens the truth. From how they behave it looks like the virus is not even real but a way of getting funds from international bodies. How do you trust government people like that with your life then.

I wish everybody who is able would get vaccinated by choice however making the Covid vaccine a government mandated requirement really does bother me.
If a private business decides to implement mandates then we will be seeing how that plays out in the courts for years to come.
*side note I flew to Vegas last week and nobody asked for my vaccine passport

Requiring it for school children and equating it to the Measles, Mumps, Rubella vaccines is an overreach that my governor (California) is about to take.

You are also perfectly free to hunker down in your apartment dousing yourself with cleaning solvent if you have some irrational phobia about germs.

Nobody owes anyone else some fantasy risk-free existence, and particularly not neurotic freaks who've been driven over the edge of insanity by corp/gov propaganda because they never learned to apply simple arithmetic.

I can see that it's an imposition. But it's not a freedom issue unless the consequences of both action and inaction affect only you. With the Covid vaccine, your action of taking the vaccine may give you side effects, so affects only you, but your inaction in refusing to take it affects others, because you increase the chances of them contracting the virus. The argument against this, that everyone has been offered the vaccine, so by refusing to take it you are only increasing the risk to others who have refused... is relevant only in an idealised situation that doesn't exist in the real world. There are for example plenty of people who can't take the vaccine for medical reasons, and people who are too young to take it, and there is still of course cross-border travel.

My analogy of someone waving a gun around in a public place, if somewhat dramatic, is pertinent.



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If you are angry about lockdowns and other restrictions, then blame the anti-vaxxers... they are the ones preventing effective herd immunity.



I don't trust companies, who are motivated by profit, or members of the government, who are motivated by self-interest. But the data are clear.

Yeah, 'herd immunity' with a therapy which doesn't keep people from becoming obtaining or spreading an infection.  That illustrates perfectly the level of understanding that the average ass-clown has when it comes to epidemiology.

The average ass-clown takes to 'blame those who we label an enemy' like a fish to water.  You've illustrated that very well too.  As Goering says: '...it works the same way in every political system and every country', and his regime certainly was proficient at motivating the peeps.

Anyway, we who have natural immunity will eventually get the 'herd' to herd immunity.   The policies of the government might stretch it out, and were probably hoped to.  It didn't really slow things down that much so the last 75% of the 'crisis' has been nearly complete fraud.  The recent 'spikes' are a thing, but are almost 100% adverse reactions to the gene therapy inject.


Why do you feel so confident in the 'clear' data when it comes from people you claim not to trust?  You are a little bit mixed up in your logic it seems.

Not as dramatic as people equating wearing masks to oppression.

 ( I get the hyperbole and agree with most of what you said )

It's been a busy week writing boring letters to state legislators addressing a few issues one of them is this...
https://www.gov.ca.gov/2021/10/01/california-becomes-first-state-in-nation-to-announce-covid-19-vaccine-requirements-for-schools/

Yeah, really? And what is this "simple arithmetic", in your opinion?

Is this not simple enough for you?


Or this?

https://i.imgur.com/I0K9CsI.png

Or this?


You know, this is serious. Someone might read your antivaxxer bs and die because of believing it. Be careful with what you are saying, when many people can potentially read it.

It is obvious that gov restrictions has a lot of negative affects. People who obey (encourage) these restrictions participate on every negative effect of these restrictions. So taking vaxx do affects others. Sorry to say, but your statement is not true.

I do not say, that not taking vaxx do not effects others. It does, like everything else, that's how universe works. But blaming anti-vaxxers from all negative effects and renounce your own share... It looks like really hard gov brainwash.

To your analogy - it is totally not pertinent. You live in real world, full of microorganism, get used to it. If you don't like it, if you panically fear of it, I have only one recommendation: psychologist. It is not normal to live in such a fear - contact with microorganisms is base of good immunity. Comparing natural environment with shooting people is... hardly over the line. Reality cannot be simplified too much even in theoretical conversation - from certain border it starts to be lies.

it is official that even if you are vaccinated you can still get covid so getting vaxxed will not achieve herd immunity. idiot.

Your logic is appalling. Some people who smoke heavily all their lives don't get lung cancer... therefore smoking doesn't cause lung cancer, right?
Some ​people who wear parachutes when jumping out of a plane die on landing... therefore we may as well all jump out of planes without wearing parachutes?
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Well, you used the word, so let's use it again.

I'll tell you a little secret about how they cook the numbers.  'vaccinated' is not equal to 'injected' in their definition, but they won't tell you that.  If a person is 'injected' in Jan 1, they won't be 'vaccinated' until mid Feb because it doesn't start until 14 days after the second inject (for multi-dose gene therapies.)  Then 2.5 months later you are back to being 'unvaccinated' again.  At least by some definitions which the propagandists are prone to use when writing fodder like the above for audiences like you.  That's about 2.5 months.

Note also that in spite of 'theconversation.com' going on about 'journalistic integrity', they cannot even figure out how to put a date on the story.  This is important for reasons associated with another common scam:  Writing a story about the 'unvaxxed' dying, but not mentioning that the time window was before the gene therapy injections were rolled out in a big way so very few people even could be 'vaxxed'.



That's just a graphic with zero information, including the date we just talked about.  what a joke.



Here's another scam you should know about.  If an uninjected person dies of just about anything, it gets counted as 'covid'.  If an injected person dies from the jab, they count it as something else, or as 'covid' if they need more numbers.  Just depends on what story they would like to paint.  One thing it will never be labeled as is a 'adverse reaction to the gene therapy.'

The same game is easily played with hospitalizations.  In short, the books are so obviously cooked that mainstream media stories, public health data, celebrity doctor proclamations which will be directed to come up in your social media feed, etc, are completely useless even if one does know the tricks they use.



You also should be careful because it cuts both ways.  You will find out that you 'bet wrong' on this one I'm afaid.

I know exactly zero people who died of 'covid-19', and nobody who has been terribly sick for the last year or so.  I have direct first or second degree information on around 20 people who have died within a week of getting the jab and were progressively sicker and sicker from the needle until their death.  About 70% of these were in rural areas in a 'developing world' country where I live, and the other 30% were in larger cities.  I had to loan money for funeral expenses to a friend who lost three of her mother's siblings at the same time and within a week of the jab.  That occurred in a larger urban area.

Again, all of these people will have been logged as 'unvaccinated' due to the timings of their injections and their deaths.

appalling indeed. since you answer a topic with a different topic LOL

Right! Cnut doesn't realize that many people, mostly military, jump out of planes without parachutes every day... after the plane has landed. But it looks like in the US we are going to have fewer of them.


Army MD Grounds All Vaccinated Pilots, Recommends Immediate Halt to Military Vaccination (http://www.freedomsphoenix.com/News/313550-2021-10-07-army-md-grounds-all-vaccinated-pilots-recommends-immediate-halt-to.htm)




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Hahahaha...why do you think after taking covid-19 vaccine, the person can still become infected?
What is the need of taking the vaccine when your immune system can still condole the virus
Does it not look unnecessary after taken the vaccine and still become infected...this is totally unacceptable!

The vaccinated should also do the same since both the vaxxed an unvaxxed can still be infect.

I can't tell if you are trolling, or genuinely don't understand. If you're trolling, then well done, you got me. If you genuinely don't understand, then this (https://bit.ly/3aobNmd) should help.

[Plandemic Survey] I wonder how many of you have been vaccinated ?


You would have gotten more vaxxed people voting, if a bunch of them hadn't died off from the vaxx already.


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you got fancy with "analogy" but the irony is you can't even "analyze" my point/topic, therefore you can't discuss.

the fact is.. you are just being evasive.

I'm vaccinated already. At first, im hesitant to do what the Government has to say especially that I also have health issues and afraid of the side effects that this vaccine might cause.

But eventually I was convinced and had the shot. Its free and my reason for complying is, the virus is still existing and the situation here is not improving. I envy those countries who already moved on and started their new beginning, but here we are still in lockdown and its been almost 2 years since this situation started.

Though they say the vaccine is for protection, it doesnt mean you are not prone to get infected if you had it. Thus, strong immune system is really necessary regardless if you're vaccinated or not. Having yourself to be vaccinated is your own choice and should not be mandated.

Well,I have not been vaccinated, reasons is because, I fear that the vaccine is becoming dangerous as the day goes by,and also I have heard so much about the death rate that the vaccine has caused, so with these I have heard, i have decided not to take the vaccine,to avoid the risk of eliminating my life.Furthermore, it seems the vaccine is now been forced on people because they want to use this medium to reduce the population rate in the society.

This looks like conspiracy. Like every conspiracy, it can be true, at least partially. IMHO the main reason why they forced people to get vaxx is because they earn lots of money. Your health is something they do not care at all.

If the use of analogy is "fancy", then we've reached a new nadir. Reasoned human debate may no longer be possible. Shall we just throw faeces at one another?

I will spell it out. A thing can be effective without being 100% effective. No-one ever said that vaccines were 100% protective against infection. But they are, as the data indicate perfectly clearly, extremely protective against infection, particularly symptomatic infection. If you have been vaccinated, you are less likely to catch Covid. If you have been vaccinated and do catch Covid, then you are less likely to cough it out over someone else. Vaccination reduces the spread. This is not complicated.

Global herd immunity is unlikely. Effective herd immunity within a population may be achievable, if everyone is vaccinated (or has caught the virus). People who have not had the virus, who refuse the vaccine when offered, are actively working against achieving herd immunity.

You can 'spell it out' until the cows some home, but your spelling out both false data and a highly incomplete/invalid interpretations.

Vaxxed people have an equal or higher viral load when they get the currently active 'variants' (now that the original from whence the genetic material for the gene therapy was harvested complements of our Chinese friends in Wuhan is extinct.)  If this turns out to be like the mumps vaccine failure scenario, the vaxxed turn into asymptomatic carriers with long lived colonies of the wild strain virus.  So, they become super spreaders who are out and about spreading and shedding because the feel OK.  Also, the vaccine wears off increasingly fast among the 'vaxxed' and in a lot of individuals it stops working at all.  This is why we see mumps outbreaks in almost 100% vaccinated populations on such places as college campuses.

Back in my day, we all got mumps before our testicles dropped and had life-long immunity.  Getting it after puberty when it could cause male infertility was very rare.  Now, because of the vax, it is not uncommon at all.  The pharma solution?  More vaccines in the form of 'boosters' of course.

Mumps is a nothingburger in terms of sickness.  I know from having it and having all my friends have it.  It almost never caused anything but a swollen neck and a few days in bed, and you never went to the hospital or anything.  Maybe mom chatted with the doctor on the phone, but usually not even that because everyone knew what it was and how to deal with it.  We liked having the a week off school.  When women started working more it became a cost issue for companies who employed mothers.  That was the justification for even bothering with a vaccine.

Mumps is also an interesting failure in that with MMR, all three had to show 95% efficacy for licensure.  As the mumps component failed, Merck got increasingly desperate and tried every kind of lab trick to 'show' 95%.  Ultimately they just penciled in numbers in the lab books and some internal whistleblowers came forward.  Merck's trump card was a pocket full of politicians and regulators.  Julie Gerberding went straight from CDC director to VP of vaccines at Merck when she got done with her 'public service'.  Merck kept their highly valuable MMR franchise, and you, dear reader, have never heard of this little hic-up.

You're better than the "what's an analogy?" guy, but what makes you believe that the data are false?


If we are broadening the discussion from the Covid vaccines to vaccination in general, then again the data are perfectly clear. You're not going to argue the point on something like polio, surely? As for mumps, yes, generally effects are mild, but not always... it can lead to sterility, meningitis, pancreatic problems, etc. Death rate in the US (are you in the US?) was very low before the vaccine... now, with the vaccine, it is zero. So vaccine good, yes? How about the effects of other vaccines?

https://ourworldindata.org/uploads/2020/07/Vaccine_Reduction-of-Cases-and-Deaths.png
https://ourworldindata.org/vaccination#progress-against-vaccine-preventable-diseases-in-the-us


I suspect that some of our differences arise due to me living in a country where healthcare is provided free of charge. Companies are motivated by profit, yes. There is a revolving door between high political office and influential posts in business, yes, it's a huge problem, and I'm not disputing any of that. But at the same time, the effectiveness of vaccination as a general process is well understood, and the data on Covid are abundantly clear.

got ya!

now you know why you are evasive  :D

covid survival rate is above 99.[9 or 8]xxx  ...showing the efficacy of natural immune system

now about herd immunity.."unlikely"? "maybe"? no, science, math and experience know they can't eradicate the flu, covid is another form of flu therefore what is the fuss all about? now back to this.. A thing can be effective without being 100% effective

you lost.

I'm not yet vaccinated. There's a health center around me where the vaccine is given for free now, but i've not been there to receive it. It's not because I have something against it, but because i haven't seen a need to yet. I think most persons who have something against being vaccinated are being hypocrites to some extent, because if really there was something that you've been waiting for a while like say a travel permit to another country and its a requirement that you get vaccinated, most people will.

Are you saying that the need is so you you can travel and live your daily life? What happened to being protected from the Covid virus. Because, if you have Covid already, all standard understanding of vaccinations is that it is too late to be vaccinated. The vaccine will do more harm than good if taken after you get the disease.

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     I got vaccinated. Being free of charge is only a part of it. The main reason is because I love my family the most and I want to protect them from the people they face everyday and from me if I ever got infected. Another is that how can I make a living being restricted by the unvaccinated tag? Even traveling requires certification of being vaccinated. Protect one's self and the people around him, everyone should get vaccinated.

Dr. John Campbell has been one of the most odious of the plandemic pumpers over the course of the operation.  Even he cannot go along with cunt237's main, and seemingly only, sources of data and scientismistic truthyness.  That is to say, corp/gov who are running the operation and with increasing desperation:

  https://www.bitchute.com/video/KO11GHAhKIgB/ (https://www.bitchute.com/video/KO11GHAhKIgB/)

Very nicely put. On the one hand there's no unnecessary info, and there's everything you need to know, on the other.

I just want to emphasize that although it's less common, some children do have severe complications after catching COVID-19, and unvaccinated adults pose a threat to them. And since we don't have enough vaccines suited for kids yet, it's no longer a private matter, I'm afraid.

I would actually question some of these breakthrough "asymptomatic" infections of people who are vaccinated. These are people who are not showing symptoms, but have traces of the virus in their sinus. The only tests that diagnose a current covid infection involve swabing the sinus, and do not involve any kind of blood work.

If Alice has covid, and coughs on Bob, who is vaccinated, there will likely be some covid infected droplets get into Bob's respiratory system and his sinus. The virus may live inside his body for a period of time, and may even reproduce while inside his body without the 'assistance' of his body. If Bob is tested later that day, he may show as being infected, even if the test picks up Alice's droplets. I don't know that this has ever happened, or if it does happen, how frequently it happens. At no point would Bob's body act any differently than it would otherwise act.

If the above happens, is it really accurate to say that Bob is infected?

If this happens, then perhaps not. And if, because of this, the chance of infection amongst vaccinated people is actually lower than believed, then it strengthens the case for vaccination.




The other issue with this is that Peter would likely be quite displeased (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5368130.msg58295710#msg58295710) at Alice's relationship with Bob, given her past history.
I'm not consciously migrating our discussion to a different thread with each post I make; it's just how it's working out.

Well there were multiple factors involved for me to get vaccinated.
Firstly it was for sure a matter of precaution as the pandemic situation was getting worse day by day.
Also for the precaution of the family was involved. Secondly, it was getting a mandatory factor for employment also the instructions of the government was the recommendation of WHO and yes of course my own wish to get vaccinated

The threshold for the PCR tests can cause someone to pick up a false positive Covid test, they were never 100 percent accurate to begin with, just convenient sorting mechanism that had a reliable, but not entirely accurate way, of sorting through the positive Covid cases and separating them from the negative.

If Dr. Fauci is to be believed, he claims asymptomatic spread is not that big of deal, so if "Bob" were not to get a positive Covid case and is asymptomatic, he's still infected, but his Covid case is inconsequential.

I figured positive cases would be used to drive extreme public health measures when the reality of the situation dictates hospitalizations and death be center stage. A positive Covid case of the sniffles has no meaning and doesn't requires response from the person. When the "public health experts say they're doing it to protect you, that's when you run.

I'm vaccinated by sputnik. My dose is completed 4 months ago. For which I have given $13. Seems to be only one shot of Sputnik. All the rest are applying two dosses of the vaccine. I was lying on the bed for a few days after got vaccinated. I felt maybe they inject me at wrong place. My shoulder was also paining a lot. By a few days I was getting very slow because of inserting dead Corona cell in body. But now i am all okay and fully vaccinated.

I'm fully vaccinated with the Pfizer one, both doses completed, and also planning to get the booster shot soon. Free of charge of course (well, you're indirectly paying for your health insurance via taxation, but you get my point), while I was one of the first ones to receive the vaccine in my age group (18-24). It has successfully passed all clinical trials, and it's the best and safest weapon against the pandemic, if it wasn't for modern medicine, the average lifespan wouldn't be over 50 years.

Damn, pay for vaccine... Interesting from which country you're and what vaccination rates they have. Because in most countries covid vaccines is free.
And I think you got Sputnik Light, not Sputnik V, since you needed only one shot to be fully vaccinated.

I am fully vaccinated. I have never been scared of vaccines and I always thought them to be one of the most important advances of humanity to sweep sicknesses off our society.

I must admit that since the beginning my parents and I started to feel unsure about getting the vaccine because of the (mis)information going around the internet. In the end, it is easy not to take it if you live alone so you can not expose anyone, but it is different in my case when living with two almost-elderly people which could suffer more serious consequences than me.

So we got the shots, we got Covid and thankfully we got completely vaccined by then, otherwise I am not sure my parents could have survived, so thank you, Science.

I am personally against mandatory vaccination, since I believe it is a violation against people's rights.
If you want the vaccine it is ok, if you don't it is also ok.

And the measures that US government is taking against people who do not get the vaccine only creates an environment of further distrust, instead helping, it is very counterproductive.

LOL, fool you never fully vaccinated. Before fully vaccinated booster #xx was the last booster to receive.

You can't vaccinate against a bioweapon.
https://www.bitchute.com/video/S5lqqKKk0FhC/

https://i.ibb.co/x5KR813/temp.jpg (https://ibb.co/j491ZyH)

"I consider it Murder!" - A grieving father cries out to warn others about the bioweapon-vaccine
https://www.bitchute.com/video/3FgBR1QsIZxZ/

Hospitals Are Murdering People - A Personal Testimony
https://www.bitchute.com/video/hRPYNLKIo8aH/

So after a year of this motherfucking you still share your opinion? you know that you were a guinea pig and the vaccination itself was not even tested for virus transmission. the truth comes out faster than I thought. The question is do you have such information or do you live like in the Stone Age and have one favorite brainwashing station?

You said it well. The whole Covid19 vaccine thing is now for business. Those in charge are making a great bulk of money from manufacturing the vaccines and that is what matters to them. That they have a large market for their products. People should stop getting jabbed and taking the vaccines. It is useless. Those who have received the jabs still get infected with the virus.

In fact, in many cases, it simply triggers the "herd instinct" -people see that their friends are vaccinated and go to be vaccinated themselves, without really thinking about the fact that they are fulfilling some duty to society.

Well, personally, in my case, it was that several of my friends and their relatives got sick with this disease, which probably pushed me to get vaccinated.

A doctor in Nursing and Youtube Videos lol