[Plandemic Survey] I wonder how many of you have been vaccinated ?

[Cnut237]

you got fancy with "analogy" but the irony is you can't even "analyze" my point/topic, therefore you can't discuss.

the fact is.. you are just being evasive.

If the use of analogy is "fancy", then we've reached a new nadir. Reasoned human debate may no longer be possible. Shall we just throw faeces at one another?

I will spell it out. A thing can be effective without being 100% effective. No-one ever said that vaccines were 100% protective against infection. But they are, as the data indicate perfectly clearly, extremely protective against infection, particularly symptomatic infection. If you have been vaccinated, you are less likely to catch Covid. If you have been vaccinated and do catch Covid, then you are less likely to cough it out over someone else. Vaccination reduces the spread. This is not complicated.

Global herd immunity is unlikely. Effective herd immunity within a population may be achievable, if everyone is vaccinated (or has caught the virus). People who have not had the virus, who refuse the vaccine when offered, are actively working against achieving herd immunity.

[tvbcof]

you got fancy with "analogy" but the irony is you can't even "analyze" my point/topic, therefore you can't discuss.

the fact is.. you are just being evasive.

If the use of analogy is "fancy", then we've reached a new nadir. Reasoned human debate may no longer be possible. Shall we just throw faeces at one another?

I will spell it out. A thing can be effective without being 100% effective. No-one ever said that vaccines were 100% protective against infection. But they are, as the data indicate perfectly clearly, extremely protective against infection, particularly symptomatic infection. If you have been vaccinated, you are less likely to catch Covid. If you have been vaccinated and do catch Covid, then you are less likely to cough it out over someone else. Vaccination reduces the spread. This is not complicated.

Global herd immunity is unlikely. Effective herd immunity within a population may be achievable, if everyone is vaccinated (or has caught the virus). People who have not had the virus, who refuse the vaccine when offered, are actively working against achieving herd immunity.

You can 'spell it out' until the cows some home, but your spelling out both false data and a highly incomplete/invalid interpretations.

Vaxxed people have an equal or higher viral load when they get the currently active 'variants' (now that the original from whence the genetic material for the gene therapy was harvested complements of our Chinese friends in Wuhan is extinct.)  If this turns out to be like the mumps vaccine failure scenario, the vaxxed turn into asymptomatic carriers with long lived colonies of the wild strain virus.  So, they become super spreaders who are out and about spreading and shedding because the feel OK.  Also, the vaccine wears off increasingly fast among the 'vaxxed' and in a lot of individuals it stops working at all.  This is why we see mumps outbreaks in almost 100% vaccinated populations on such places as college campuses.

Back in my day, we all got mumps before our testicles dropped and had life-long immunity.  Getting it after puberty when it could cause male infertility was very rare.  Now, because of the vax, it is not uncommon at all.  The pharma solution?  More vaccines in the form of 'boosters' of course.

Mumps is a nothingburger in terms of sickness.  I know from having it and having all my friends have it.  It almost never caused anything but a swollen neck and a few days in bed, and you never went to the hospital or anything.  Maybe mom chatted with the doctor on the phone, but usually not even that because everyone knew what it was and how to deal with it.  We liked having the a week off school.  When women started working more it became a cost issue for companies who employed mothers.  That was the justification for even bothering with a vaccine.

Mumps is also an interesting failure in that with MMR, all three had to show 95% efficacy for licensure.  As the mumps component failed, Merck got increasingly desperate and tried every kind of lab trick to 'show' 95%.  Ultimately they just penciled in numbers in the lab books and some internal whistleblowers came forward.  Merck's trump card was a pocket full of politicians and regulators.  Julie Gerberding went straight from CDC director to VP of vaccines at Merck when she got done with her 'public service'.  Merck kept their highly valuable MMR franchise, and you, dear reader, have never heard of this little hic-up.

[Cnut237]

You can 'spell it out' until the cows some home, but your spelling out both false data and a highly incomplete/invalid interpretations.

You're better than the "what's an analogy?" guy, but what makes you believe that the data are false?

Vaxxed people have an equal or higher viral load [...] mumps vaccine failure scenario [...] mumps outbreaks in almost 100% vaccinated populations [...] Mumps is a nothingburger in terms of sickness. 

If we are broadening the discussion from the Covid vaccines to vaccination in general, then again the data are perfectly clear. You're not going to argue the point on something like polio, surely? As for mumps, yes, generally effects are mild, but not always... it can lead to sterility, meningitis, pancreatic problems, etc. Death rate in the US (are you in the US?) was very low before the vaccine... now, with the vaccine, it is zero. So vaccine good, yes? How about the effects of other vaccines?


https://ourworldindata.org/vaccination#progress-against-vaccine-preventable-diseases-in-the-us

Mumps is also an interesting failure in that with MMR, all three had to show 95% efficacy for licensure.  As the mumps component failed, Merck got increasingly desperate and tried every kind of lab trick to 'show' 95%.  Ultimately they just penciled in numbers in the lab books and some internal whistleblowers came forward.  Merck's trump card was a pocket full of politicians and regulators.  Julie Gerberding went straight from CDC director to VP of vaccines at Merck when she got done with her 'public service'.  Merck kept their highly valuable MMR franchise, and you, dear reader, have never heard of this little hic-up.

I suspect that some of our differences arise due to me living in a country where healthcare is provided free of charge. Companies are motivated by profit, yes. There is a revolving door between high political office and influential posts in business, yes, it's a huge problem, and I'm not disputing any of that. But at the same time, the effectiveness of vaccination as a general process is well understood, and the data on Covid are abundantly clear.

[arielbit]

you got fancy with "analogy" but the irony is you can't even "analyze" my point/topic, therefore you can't discuss.

the fact is.. you are just being evasive.

If the use of analogy is "fancy", then we've reached a new nadir. Reasoned human debate may no longer be possible. Shall we just throw faeces at one another?

I will spell it out. A thing can be effective without being 100% effective. No-one ever said that vaccines were 100% protective against infection. But they are, as the data indicate perfectly clearly, extremely protective against infection, particularly symptomatic infection. If you have been vaccinated, you are less likely to catch Covid. If you have been vaccinated and do catch Covid, then you are less likely to cough it out over someone else. Vaccination reduces the spread. This is not complicated.

Global herd immunity is unlikely. Effective herd immunity within a population may be achievable, if everyone is vaccinated (or has caught the virus). People who have not had the virus, who refuse the vaccine when offered, are actively working against achieving herd immunity.

got ya!

now you know why you are evasive 

covid survival rate is above 99.[9 or 8]xxx  ...showing the efficacy of natural immune system

now about herd immunity.."unlikely"? "maybe"? no, science, math and experience know they can't eradicate the flu, covid is another form of flu therefore what is the fuss all about? now back to this.. A thing can be effective without being 100% effective

you lost.

[Rruchi man]

I'm not yet vaccinated. There's a health center around me where the vaccine is given for free now, but i've not been there to receive it. It's not because I have something against it, but because i haven't seen a need to yet. I think most persons who have something against being vaccinated are being hypocrites to some extent, because if really there was something that you've been waiting for a while like say a travel permit to another country and its a requirement that you get vaccinated, most people will.

[BADecker]

I'm not yet vaccinated. There's a health center around me where the vaccine is given for free now, but i've not been there to receive it. It's not because I have something against it, but because i haven't seen a need to yet. I think most persons who have something against being vaccinated are being hypocrites to some extent, because if really there was something that you've been waiting for a while like say a travel permit to another country and its a requirement that you get vaccinated, most people will.

Are you saying that the need is so you you can travel and live your daily life? What happened to being protected from the Covid virus. Because, if you have Covid already, all standard understanding of vaccinations is that it is too late to be vaccinated. The vaccine will do more harm than good if taken after you get the disease.

[Vatimins]

     I got vaccinated. Being free of charge is only a part of it. The main reason is because I love my family the most and I want to protect them from the people they face everyday and from me if I ever got infected. Another is that how can I make a living being restricted by the unvaccinated tag? Even traveling requires certification of being vaccinated. Protect one's self and the people around him, everyone should get vaccinated.

[tvbcof]

Dr. John Campbell has been one of the most odious of the plandemic pumpers over the course of the operation.  Even he cannot go along with cunt237's main, and seemingly only, sources of data and scientismistic truthyness.  That is to say, corp/gov who are running the operation and with increasing desperation:

  https://www.bitchute.com/video/KO11GHAhKIgB/

[Betwrong]

~ A thing can be effective without being 100% effective. No-one ever said that vaccines were 100% protective against infection. But they are, as the data indicate perfectly clearly, extremely protective against infection, particularly symptomatic infection. If you have been vaccinated, you are less likely to catch Covid. If you have been vaccinated and do catch Covid, then you are less likely to cough it out over someone else. Vaccination reduces the spread. This is not complicated.

Global herd immunity is unlikely. Effective herd immunity within a population may be achievable, if everyone is vaccinated (or has caught the virus). People who have not had the virus, who refuse the vaccine when offered, are actively working against achieving herd immunity.

Very nicely put. On the one hand there's no unnecessary info, and there's everything you need to know, on the other.

I just want to emphasize that although it's less common, some children do have severe complications after catching COVID-19, and unvaccinated adults pose a threat to them. And since we don't have enough vaccines suited for kids yet, it's no longer a private matter, I'm afraid.

[Quickseller]

you got fancy with "analogy" but the irony is you can't even "analyze" my point/topic, therefore you can't discuss.

the fact is.. you are just being evasive.

If the use of analogy is "fancy", then we've reached a new nadir. Reasoned human debate may no longer be possible. Shall we just throw faeces at one another?

I will spell it out. A thing can be effective without being 100% effective. No-one ever said that vaccines were 100% protective against infection. But they are, as the data indicate perfectly clearly, extremely protective against infection, particularly symptomatic infection. If you have been vaccinated, you are less likely to catch Covid. If you have been vaccinated and do catch Covid, then you are less likely to cough it out over someone else. Vaccination reduces the spread. This is not complicated.

I would actually question some of these breakthrough "asymptomatic" infections of people who are vaccinated. These are people who are not showing symptoms, but have traces of the virus in their sinus. The only tests that diagnose a current covid infection involve swabing the sinus, and do not involve any kind of blood work.

If Alice has covid, and coughs on Bob, who is vaccinated, there will likely be some covid infected droplets get into Bob's respiratory system and his sinus. The virus may live inside his body for a period of time, and may even reproduce while inside his body without the 'assistance' of his body. If Bob is tested later that day, he may show as being infected, even if the test picks up Alice's droplets. I don't know that this has ever happened, or if it does happen, how frequently it happens. At no point would Bob's body act any differently than it would otherwise act.

If the above happens, is it really accurate to say that Bob is infected?

[Cnut237]

If Alice has covid, and coughs on Bob, who is vaccinated, there will likely be some covid infected droplets get into Bob's respiratory system and his sinus. The virus may live inside his body for a period of time, and may even reproduce while inside his body without the 'assistance' of his body. If Bob is tested later that day, he may show as being infected, even if the test picks up Alice's droplets. I don't know that this has ever happened, or if it does happen, how frequently it happens. At no point would Bob's body act any differently than it would otherwise act.

If the above happens, is it really accurate to say that Bob is infected?

If this happens, then perhaps not. And if, because of this, the chance of infection amongst vaccinated people is actually lower than believed, then it strengthens the case for vaccination.

If Alice has covid, and coughs on Bob

The other issue with this is that Peter would likely be quite displeased at Alice's relationship with Bob, given her past history.
I'm not consciously migrating our discussion to a different thread with each post I make; it's just how it's working out.

[worldofcoins]

Well there were multiple factors involved for me to get vaccinated.
Firstly it was for sure a matter of precaution as the pandemic situation was getting worse day by day.
Also for the precaution of the family was involved. Secondly, it was getting a mandatory factor for employment also the instructions of the government was the recommendation of WHO and yes of course my own wish to get vaccinated

[Gyfts]

I would actually question some of these breakthrough "asymptomatic" infections of people who are vaccinated. These are people who are not showing symptoms, but have traces of the virus in their sinus. The only tests that diagnose a current covid infection involve swabing the sinus, and do not involve any kind of blood work.

If Alice has covid, and coughs on Bob, who is vaccinated, there will likely be some covid infected droplets get into Bob's respiratory system and his sinus. The virus may live inside his body for a period of time, and may even reproduce while inside his body without the 'assistance' of his body. If Bob is tested later that day, he may show as being infected, even if the test picks up Alice's droplets. I don't know that this has ever happened, or if it does happen, how frequently it happens. At no point would Bob's body act any differently than it would otherwise act.

If the above happens, is it really accurate to say that Bob is infected?

The threshold for the PCR tests can cause someone to pick up a false positive Covid test, they were never 100 percent accurate to begin with, just convenient sorting mechanism that had a reliable, but not entirely accurate way, of sorting through the positive Covid cases and separating them from the negative.

If Dr. Fauci is to be believed, he claims asymptomatic spread is not that big of deal, so if "Bob" were not to get a positive Covid case and is asymptomatic, he's still infected, but his Covid case is inconsequential.

I figured positive cases would be used to drive extreme public health measures when the reality of the situation dictates hospitalizations and death be center stage. A positive Covid case of the sniffles has no meaning and doesn't requires response from the person. When the "public health experts say they're doing it to protect you, that's when you run.

[Jason267]

I'm vaccinated by sputnik. My dose is completed 4 months ago. For which I have given $13. Seems to be only one shot of Sputnik. All the rest are applying two dosses of the vaccine. I was lying on the bed for a few days after got vaccinated. I felt maybe they inject me at wrong place. My shoulder was also paining a lot. By a few days I was getting very slow because of inserting dead Corona cell in body. But now i am all okay and fully vaccinated.

[Ultegra134]

I'm fully vaccinated with the Pfizer one, both doses completed, and also planning to get the booster shot soon. Free of charge of course (well, you're indirectly paying for your health insurance via taxation, but you get my point), while I was one of the first ones to receive the vaccine in my age group (18-24). It has successfully passed all clinical trials, and it's the best and safest weapon against the pandemic, if it wasn't for modern medicine, the average lifespan wouldn't be over 50 years.

[LTU_btc]

I'm vaccinated by sputnik. My dose is completed 4 months ago. For which I have given $13. Seems to be only one shot of Sputnik. All the rest are applying two dosses of the vaccine. I was lying on the bed for a few days after got vaccinated. I felt maybe they inject me at wrong place. My shoulder was also paining a lot. By a few days I was getting very slow because of inserting dead Corona cell in body. But now i am all okay and fully vaccinated.

Damn, pay for vaccine... Interesting from which country you're and what vaccination rates they have. Because in most countries covid vaccines is free.
And I think you got Sputnik Light, not Sputnik V, since you needed only one shot to be fully vaccinated.

[Hispo]

I am fully vaccinated. I have never been scared of vaccines and I always thought them to be one of the most important advances of humanity to sweep sicknesses off our society.

I must admit that since the beginning my parents and I started to feel unsure about getting the vaccine because of the (mis)information going around the internet. In the end, it is easy not to take it if you live alone so you can not expose anyone, but it is different in my case when living with two almost-elderly people which could suffer more serious consequences than me.

So we got the shots, we got Covid and thankfully we got completely vaccined by then, otherwise I am not sure my parents could have survived, so thank you, Science.

I am personally against mandatory vaccination, since I believe it is a violation against people's rights.
If you want the vaccine it is ok, if you don't it is also ok.

And the measures that US government is taking against people who do not get the vaccine only creates an environment of further distrust, instead helping, it is very counterproductive.

[Tash]

I am fully vaccinated. ...............

LOL, fool you never fully vaccinated. Before fully vaccinated booster #xx was the last booster to receive.

You can't vaccinate against a bioweapon.
https://www.bitchute.com/video/S5lqqKKk0FhC/



"I consider it Murder!" - A grieving father cries out to warn others about the bioweapon-vaccine
https://www.bitchute.com/video/3FgBR1QsIZxZ/

Hospitals Are Murdering People - A Personal Testimony
https://www.bitchute.com/video/hRPYNLKIo8aH/

[fortebettor]

I'm vaccinated, it is free of charge, and is done on my own volition. I work in a lab wherein COVID samples are delivered to, and we do the testing directly to confirm whether the virus is present in the sample or not. Even if I do not work in an environment wherein we are required to get the vaccine, I'd still take the jab as the shots undergone all the necessary trials before it was rendered safe to be administered on humans by the WHO and other independent scientific organizations and bodies.

So after a year of this motherfucking you still share your opinion? you know that you were a guinea pig and the vaccination itself was not even tested for virus transmission. the truth comes out faster than I thought. The question is do you have such information or do you live like in the Stone Age and have one favorite brainwashing station?

[Maestro75]

IMHO the main reason why they forced people to get vaxx is because they earn lots of money. Your health is something they do not care at all.

You said it well. The whole Covid19 vaccine thing is now for business. Those in charge are making a great bulk of money from manufacturing the vaccines and that is what matters to them. That they have a large market for their products. People should stop getting jabbed and taking the vaccines. It is useless. Those who have received the jabs still get infected with the virus.