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Title: sent btc by mistake Post by: orbi11 on November 15, 2021, 01:06:54 PM Donated 5000$ instead 50$ how can i contact receiver throught electrum ?
Title: Re: sent btc by mistake Post by: BlackHatCoiner on November 15, 2021, 01:14:33 PM Electrum is a wallet, so just as every other wallet, you can't communicate with them via it. Where did you find the donation address? In the same website, there should be a contact page.
I'm really curious on how you did this. Even if you didn't confuse BTC with mBTC, you should have only sent 7,600 sats and not 76,000 which is $50. Title: Re: sent btc by mistake Post by: orbi11 on November 15, 2021, 01:21:22 PM solved
Yes it is wikileaks donatation address Title: Re: sent btc by mistake Post by: BlackHatCoiner on November 15, 2021, 01:24:36 PM i know there was a chat function in electrum before. There was never a chat function. Did you confuse it with the console tab?Yes it is wikileaks donatation address Drop them a message on messenger: https://www.facebook.com/wikileaksTitle: Re: sent btc by mistake Post by: SiNeReiNZzz on November 15, 2021, 01:27:19 PM Donated 5000$ instead 50$ how can i contact receiver throught electrum ? Uff. With BTC transactions, you won't have a chance to contact the recipient. That is why it is essential to double and triple check all data. There are only 2 possibilities left, but one of them can be ruled out right from the start, since you are talking about a donation! 1. You know the recipient and can at least prove on the basis of the transaction that the BTC came from you and he returns the money to you. In the case of a donation, you should know where you have donated to. 2. The recipient notices the receipt of the money, is an honest person and transfers it back to the sender. Which is rather unlikely in the case of a donation address... Title: Re: sent btc by mistake Post by: orbi11 on November 15, 2021, 01:30:48 PM the way is to send another transaction with small amount and put description
Title: Re: sent btc by mistake Post by: BlackHatCoiner on November 15, 2021, 01:32:11 PM the way is to send another transaction with small amount and put description The description never arrives to the receiver. It's just for the sender. Think of it as a label to understand what's your transaction history. Title: Re: sent btc by mistake Post by: Lucius on November 15, 2021, 02:15:35 PM I'm really curious on how you did this. Even if you didn't confuse BTC with mBTC, you should have only sent 7,600 sats and not 76,000 which is $50. It is possible that instead of the amount in BTC he entered the amount in $, but he completely overlooked that there were more zeros than what he intended to send. I think that many do not use the preview button, which could prevent such errors, although even before sending there is a window in which the transaction must be confirmed with a password, and there is the number of coins/fiat value of the transaction. I guess OP was very eager to donate and in a hurry didn’t pay attention to detail, fortunately, this time that mistake did not cost him a considerable sum. Title: Re: sent btc by mistake Post by: orbi11 on November 15, 2021, 02:19:15 PM any ideas who can own this address?
33wvNiUkXJAJ85e4yXJxJVWtsKqWDsDFK4 Title: Re: sent btc by mistake Post by: BlackHatCoiner on November 15, 2021, 02:21:08 PM It is possible that instead of the amount in BTC he entered the amount in $, but he completely overlooked that there were more zeros than what he intended to send. That was my second guess, but it sounds far-fetched. I mean, you can't really overlook two zeroes...I guess OP was very eager to donate and in a hurry didn’t pay attention to detail, fortunately, this time that mistake did not cost him a considerable sum. Isn't $4,950 a considerable sum? They haven't got their money back yet and I may seem pessimistic, but I don't think they will.33wvNiUkXJAJ85e4yXJxJVWtsKqWDsDFK4 You tell us. You sent $5000. :PTitle: Re: sent btc by mistake Post by: Lucius on November 15, 2021, 02:34:47 PM Isn't $4,950 a considerable sum? They haven't got their money back yet and I may seem pessimistic, but I don't think they will. I had the impression that the OP had managed to solve the problem, unless the solved does not relate to something else, such as that he realized that it was a WL donation address. solved Yes it is wikileaks donatation address any ideas who can own this address? 33wvNiUkXJAJ85e4yXJxJVWtsKqWDsDFK4 Is this the address from the WL donation page? As far as I can see they use SegWit addresses starting with 3, and the address you are interested in has a link to CoinPayments -> https://www.walletexplorer.com/wallet/577901d888720fab?from_address=33wvNiUkXJAJ85e4yXJxJVWtsKqWDsDFK4 Title: Re: sent btc by mistake Post by: orbi11 on November 15, 2021, 02:46:55 PM They moved $5000 from original WL address 1HB5XMLmzFVj8ALj6mfBsbifRoD4miY36v to this one
33wvNiUkXJAJ85e4yXJxJVWtsKqWDsDFK4 I ve checked previous history , they did it many times . Title: Re: sent btc by mistake Post by: o_e_l_e_o on November 15, 2021, 02:53:10 PM I'm assuming this is OP's initial transaction: https://mempool.space/tx/a04709737b03c42169549ca5a5df8fa0840982782165663887fa691b0b697d8c
He pays 0.07581473 BTC to the address 1HB5XMLmzFVj8ALj6mfBsbifRoD4miY36v, which is known to belong to WikiLeaks, although it is an old donation address that they have since replaced. That transaction was closely followed by this one, where his donation is swept to the 33wv... address he has shared above: https://mempool.space/tx/c08a96db4cd8fe6b8f05c83f950adadfa094be9945ff5299225eb465c59ba202. Pretty much every donation to the 1HB5... address is swept to the 33wv... address, so it's safe to assume that it also belongs to WikiLeaks. OP will simply need to contact WikiLeaks, inform them of his mistake, and kindly ask for them to return the excess donation: https://wikileaks.org/Enquiries-and-Contact.html Title: Re: sent btc by mistake Post by: orbi11 on November 15, 2021, 02:54:51 PM Isn't $4,950 a considerable sum? They haven't got their money back yet and I may seem pessimistic, but I don't think they will. I had the impression that the OP had managed to solve the problem, unless the solved does not relate to something else, such as that he realized that it was a WL donation address. solved Yes it is wikileaks donatation address any ideas who can own this address? 33wvNiUkXJAJ85e4yXJxJVWtsKqWDsDFK4 Is this the address from the WL donation page? As far as I can see they use SegWit addresses starting with 3, and the address you are interested in has a link to CoinPayments -> https://www.walletexplorer.com/wallet/577901d888720fab?from_address=33wvNiUkXJAJ85e4yXJxJVWtsKqWDsDFK4 what can i do with this information. please advice Title: Re: sent btc by mistake Post by: orbi11 on November 15, 2021, 03:02:46 PM I'm assuming this is OP's initial transaction: https://mempool.space/tx/a04709737b03c42169549ca5a5df8fa0840982782165663887fa691b0b697d8c He pays 0.07581473 BTC to the address 1HB5XMLmzFVj8ALj6mfBsbifRoD4miY36v, which is known to belong to WikiLeaks, although it is an old donation address that they have since replaced. That transaction was closely by this one, where his donation is swept to the 33wv... address he has shared above: https://mempool.space/tx/c08a96db4cd8fe6b8f05c83f950adadfa094be9945ff5299225eb465c59ba202. Pretty much every donation to the 1HB5... address is swept to the 33wv... address, so it's safe to assume that it also belongs to WikiLeaks. OP will simply need to contact WikiLeaks, inform them of hist mistake, and kindly ask for them to return the excess donation: https://wikileaks.org/Enquiries-and-Contact.html i ve contacted them already but it is very low chance they will answer directly Title: Re: sent btc by mistake Post by: NeuroticFish on November 15, 2021, 03:08:27 PM That transaction was closely followed by this one, where his donation is swept to the 33wv... address he has shared above: https://mempool.space/tx/c08a96db4cd8fe6b8f05c83f950adadfa094be9945ff5299225eb465c59ba202. Pretty much every donation to the 1HB5... address is swept to the 33wv... address, so it's safe to assume that it also belongs to WikiLeaks. Does Wikileaks keep the coins? I doubt it. And then it could also be that 33wv... address belongs to a payment processor that has received the coins and transfers fiat into Wikileaks bank account. Title: Re: sent btc by mistake Post by: orbi11 on November 15, 2021, 03:13:26 PM ready donate for any helpful information
privately Title: Re: sent btc by mistake Post by: o_e_l_e_o on November 15, 2021, 03:25:09 PM And then it could also be that 33wv... address belongs to a payment processor that has received the coins and transfers fiat into Wikileaks bank account. It could be, but I don't think so. Almost every input to the address 33wv... comes from 1HB5..., which I would not expect if the 33wv... address was part of a payment processor. I would expect it either to receive many transactions from a variety of addresses if it is part of their central wallet, or to only receive a single transaction since they would generate a new address for each deposit. And similarly, every transaction out of that address is out of that address only, and never combines or consolidates funds with other addresses. It certainly sends a payment to a CoinPayments linked address as Lucius has said above, but I don't think it's owned by them.Regardless, even if it is a payment processor, they aren't going to go over the head of their customer and start processing a refunding for someone claiming to have sent a donation to their customer. ready donate for any helpful information There is literally nothing anyone on this forum can do. Bitcoin transactions are not reversible and so the only entity who can refund your money is the entity you sent it to. Contact WikiLeaks in every way you can and be patient while you wait for a response.Title: Re: sent btc by mistake Post by: NeuroticFish on November 15, 2021, 03:31:17 PM Regardless, even if it is a payment processor, they aren't going to go over the head of their customer and start processing a refunding for someone claiming to have sent a donation to their customer. Clearly. Obviously OP has to discuss with Wikileaks. My point was that because of "this or that" OP should not expect he will get back the exact difference in Bitcoin at the moment of sending (and that he may even get fiat). But again: OP has to get a way to communicate with Wikileaks (i.e. get them answer) first. Title: Re: sent btc by mistake Post by: dkbit98 on November 15, 2021, 03:43:02 PM If you somehow manage to contact Wikileaks and explained how you made a stupid rookie mistakes sending them much bigger donation,
you would still need to prove ownership of your original address used to send them Bitcoin, and even then it's not guaranteed they would send you back any coins. I don't know what exact BTC address you used to sent them donation (and I doubt if you really sent anything or you just trolling), but on Wikileaks website they clearly said that old 1HB5X... address should NOT be used anymore! They only accept donation on new Segwit addresses starting with 3, and you can generate new address yourself with each click. Quote Please do not use old (1HB5X...) donation address. https://shop.wikileaks.org/donateTitle: Re: sent btc by mistake Post by: BlackHatCoiner on November 15, 2021, 03:43:35 PM My recommendation is to sign them a message with your address; that will prove it's, indeed, you who made the mistake and not just another individual who claims that. They're not forced to refund you, but if you stand lucky, they may do.
To sign a message, open up Electrum -> Click on the addresses tab (if it's not shown click on View -> Show Addresses) -> Find 1KcmJjKKSyUQZqrMfKwSnRtSiGsHsz52Vo, right click to it and then sign a message. You should then contact them as following: Code: -----BEGIN BITCOIN SIGNED MESSAGE----- Title: Re: sent btc by mistake Post by: orbi11 on November 15, 2021, 03:58:09 PM My recommendation is to sign them a message with your address; that will prove it's, indeed, you who made the mistake and not just another individual who claims that. They're not forced to refund you, but if you stand lucky, they may do. To sign a message, open up Electrum -> Click on the addresses tab (if it's not shown click on View -> Show Addresses) -> Find 1KcmJjKKSyUQZqrMfKwSnRtSiGsHsz52Vo, right click to it and then sign a message. You should then contact them as following: Code: -----BEGIN BITCOIN SIGNED MESSAGE----- is this wallet refers to WL? thanks. Title: Re: sent btc by mistake Post by: BlackHatCoiner on November 15, 2021, 04:03:54 PM is this wallet refers to WL? Are you asking if you should refer Electrum to WikiLeaks? No, there's no reason to do that. Title: Re: sent btc by mistake Post by: NeuroticFish on November 15, 2021, 04:14:08 PM is this wallet refers to WL? thanks. It should be the wallet address you have sent the donation from. Was https://mempool.space/tx/a04709737b03c42169549ca5a5df8fa0840982782165663887fa691b0b697d8c indeed you transaction? Is 1KcmJjKKSyUQZqrMfKwSnRtSiGsHsz52Vo your address? Then this is what you should use. You should sign a message with that wallet because it's the only proper way to know that it was indeed you the one who has sent that donation. Without this bit it can be anybody asking them to return donations, just for the fun of it. So this approach (with signing the message) should give your request much more credibility, because it's only you who can do that. I suggest something like: Code: -----BEGIN BITCOIN SIGNED MESSAGE----- (Only) your wallet should be able to sign the message using address 1KcmJjKKSyUQZqrMfKwSnRtSiGsHsz52Vo. You may post it here first so we can verify it. Title: Re: sent btc by mistake Post by: orbi11 on November 15, 2021, 04:23:23 PM Understood. but why should i assign this message to my address?
Title: Re: sent btc by mistake Post by: Rath_ on November 15, 2021, 04:30:11 PM Understood. but why should i assign this message to my address? It basically proves that you are the owner of that particular address. Otherwise, they would not be able to tell if you are not just a random person who wants to take your donation away. Title: Re: sent btc by mistake Post by: orbi11 on November 15, 2021, 04:39:51 PM is this wallet refers to WL? thanks. It should be the wallet address you have sent the donation from. Was https://mempool.space/tx/a04709737b03c42169549ca5a5df8fa0840982782165663887fa691b0b697d8c indeed you transaction? Is 1KcmJjKKSyUQZqrMfKwSnRtSiGsHsz52Vo your address? Then this is what you should use. You should sign a message with that wallet because it's the only proper way to know that it was indeed you the one who has sent that donation. Without this bit it can be anybody asking them to return donations, just for the fun of it. So this approach (with signing the message) should give your request much more credibility, because it's only you who can do that. I suggest something like: Code: -----BEGIN BITCOIN SIGNED MESSAGE----- (Only) your wallet should be able to sign the message using address 1KcmJjKKSyUQZqrMfKwSnRtSiGsHsz52Vo. You may post it here first so we can verify it. Great, thanks! Title: Re: sent btc by mistake Post by: Pmalek on November 15, 2021, 06:01:35 PM 2. The recipient notices the receipt of the money, is an honest person and transfers it back to the sender. Which is rather unlikely in the case of a donation address... Yeah, that's not going to work in this case. Wikileaks expects donations, so anything you send their way, be it $50 or $5000, is an amount they would think you wanted to donate. The only correct way to approach this situation is to get in touch with someone from the movement, explain what happened, sign a message like other users suggested to prove you were the one who made the transaction, and ask to speak with someone who accepts and handles donations. Once the connection has been established, ask if they can refund you the difference and hopefully they will. It might take a while, but I am sure they aren't going to take any money that was wrongly sent to them and requested to be returned with proof of ownership.Title: Re: sent btc by mistake Post by: orbi11 on November 15, 2021, 06:06:01 PM 2. The recipient notices the receipt of the money, is an honest person and transfers it back to the sender. Which is rather unlikely in the case of a donation address... Yeah, that's not going to work in this case. Wikileaks expects donations, so anything you send their way, be it $50 or $5000, is an amount they would think you wanted to donate. The only correct way to approach this situation is to get in touch with someone from the movement, explain what happened, sign a message like other users suggested to prove you were the one who made the transaction, and ask to speak with someone who accepts and handles donations. Once the connection has been established, ask if they can refund you the difference and hopefully they will. It might take a while, but I am sure they aren't going to take any money that was wrongly sent to them and requested to be returned with proof of ownership.The problem is to find this person, all contacts i ve tried to reach by phone a switched off, it is more likely they will not answer me on twitter too. Title: Re: sent btc by mistake Post by: SiNeReiNZzz on November 15, 2021, 06:30:04 PM 2. The recipient notices the receipt of the money, is an honest person and transfers it back to the sender. Which is rather unlikely in the case of a donation address... Yeah, that's not going to work in this case. Wikileaks expects donations, so anything you send their way, be it $50 or $5000, is an amount they would think you wanted to donate. The only correct way to approach this situation is to get in touch with someone from the movement, explain what happened, sign a message like other users suggested to prove you were the one who made the transaction, and ask to speak with someone who accepts and handles donations. Once the connection has been established, ask if they can refund you the difference and hopefully they will. It might take a while, but I am sure they aren't going to take any money that was wrongly sent to them and requested to be returned with proof of ownership.The problem is to find this person, all contacts i ve tried to reach by phone a switched off, it is more likely they will not answer me on twitter too. At least the chance is there. You must exhaust all possible means of contact. If you can reach someone in charge of the finances through any of their channels and tell them about it, I can't imagine that Wikileaks will refuse to give the money back, if you can prove that it comes from you... I wish you every success and would be pleased if you report how it turned out. Title: Re: sent btc by mistake Post by: vv181 on November 15, 2021, 06:57:14 PM The problem is to find this person, all contacts i ve tried to reach by phone a switched off, it is more likely they will not answer me on twitter too. if you haven't contacted them via email, try to send it. There is no appropriate email address for your issue but you can try to send it to volunteers@wikileaks.org, as a start.Make sure you add the signed message on the mail and state your issue clearly. I don't know how long they will respond to your inquires, but if after some days they haven't responded yet. Try to send the email to another address(press@wikileaks.org). Title: Re: sent btc by mistake Post by: orbi11 on November 15, 2021, 07:36:01 PM is this wallet refers to WL? thanks. It should be the wallet address you have sent the donation from. Was https://mempool.space/tx/a04709737b03c42169549ca5a5df8fa0840982782165663887fa691b0b697d8c indeed you transaction? Is 1KcmJjKKSyUQZqrMfKwSnRtSiGsHsz52Vo your address? Then this is what you should use. You should sign a message with that wallet because it's the only proper way to know that it was indeed you the one who has sent that donation. Without this bit it can be anybody asking them to return donations, just for the fun of it. So this approach (with signing the message) should give your request much more credibility, because it's only you who can do that. I suggest something like: Code: -----BEGIN BITCOIN SIGNED MESSAGE----- (Only) your wallet should be able to sign the message using address 1KcmJjKKSyUQZqrMfKwSnRtSiGsHsz52Vo. You may post it here first so we can verify it. I have to post a signature to verify it? Title: Re: sent btc by mistake Post by: NeuroticFish on November 15, 2021, 07:43:22 PM I have to post a signature to verify it? Yes. The signature should go where now we have <HERE_ADD_THE_SIGNATURE_CREATED> The signature is generated by your wallet when you do "sign message" (and depends on the wallet used). As an example you can look here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1935179.msg58393309#msg58393309 Title: Re: sent btc by mistake Post by: orbi11 on November 15, 2021, 07:55:59 PM I have to post a signature to verify it? Yes. The signature should go where now we have <HERE_ADD_THE_SIGNATURE_CREATED> The signature is generated by your wallet when you do "sign message" (and depends on the wallet used). As an example you can look here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1935179.msg58393309#msg58393309 Signing address: 1KcmJjKKSyUQZqrMfKwSnRtSiGsHsz52Vo Message: Hi, I donated to Wikileaks today 2021-11-15 from the address 1KcmJjKKSyUQZqrMfKwSnRtSiGsHsz52Vo the equivalent of 5000 USD and I meant to send only 50 USD. See transaction ID a04709737b03c42169549ca5a5df8fa0840982782165663887fa691b0b697d8c. I would ask you kindly to return the difference caused by my mistake, if possible, to my bitcoin address 1KcmJjKKSyUQZqrMfKwSnRtSiGsHsz52Vo. Signature: H9EoG9dhqCis1zO4U5KSk+oXUJT1SaMbCtm7OOEQMvLmQdgW6YcMe2FNztp0H98UYUV4JM7VLqwTlyZ418dvKFQ= Title: Re: sent btc by mistake Post by: BlackHatCoiner on November 15, 2021, 07:58:36 PM Yep, it's verified. So just send them this:
Code: -----BEGIN BITCOIN SIGNED MESSAGE----- Title: Re: sent btc by mistake Post by: Pmalek on November 15, 2021, 09:17:34 PM vv181 posted a few email addresses that you can use to contact Wikileaks. Try with that.
They used to have a webchat over clearnet, but apparently that's no longer the case. However, there is still a way to send them a message over TOR at wlupld3ptjvsgwqw.onion. Make sure that you read this if you decide to contact them via TOR > https://wikileaks.org/talk/. Goof luck! Title: Re: sent btc by mistake Post by: orbi11 on November 16, 2021, 01:31:27 PM vv181 posted a few email addresses that you can use to contact Wikileaks. Try with that. They used to have a webchat over clearnet, but apparently that's no longer the case. However, there is still a way to send them a message over TOR at wlupld3ptjvsgwqw.onion. Make sure that you read this if you decide to contact them via TOR > https://wikileaks.org/talk/. Goof luck! These links aren't working Title: Re: sent btc by mistake Post by: o_e_l_e_o on November 16, 2021, 01:42:06 PM These links aren't working It's for their online webchat, which is currently unavailable anyway however. It does say you can contact them by leaving them a note in the "further information" field of their submissions system, which is available here: http://rpzgejae7cxxst5vysqsijblti4duzn3kjsmn43ddi2l3jblhk4a44id.onion/wlupload.en.html (again, you will need to download and run Tor browser to access this site, available here: https://www.torproject.org/download/)You can try contacting them Pidgin as outlined here: https://wikileaks.org/wiki/WikiLeaks:Chat There are also a number of email addresses available here: https://wikileaks.org/wiki/WikiLeaks:Contact You can also try messaging them on Twitter or Facebook. Title: Re: sent btc by mistake Post by: orbi11 on November 19, 2021, 12:42:23 PM No answer on all available contacts online
Title: Re: sent btc by mistake Post by: BlackHatCoiner on November 19, 2021, 12:50:30 PM No answer on all available contacts online You don't have a choice other than wait.Title: Re: sent btc by mistake Post by: HCP on November 19, 2021, 11:52:26 PM No answer on all available contacts online It has only been 3 or 4 days... so don't give up all hope. Give it a week or 2 and see if you get any response. If you still get nothing after a few weeks, then it looks like you've learned a very unfortunate, very expensive lesson about bitcoin :-\ Title: Re: sent btc by mistake Post by: orbi11 on December 02, 2021, 12:54:07 PM as i considered nobody going to return money back. All the people i ve managed to connect were supports or owners of TG channels from variouscountries, they advised me to open my own group in my country as i already donated a good sum and receive donations like they do... unfortunately the mechanism working as like people just get profit in its own pocket, i don't believe anything is hitting Assange
Title: Re: sent btc by mistake Post by: HCP on December 02, 2021, 09:29:32 PM as i considered nobody going to return money back. All the people i ve managed to connect were supports or owners of TG channels from variouscountries, they advised me to open my own group in my country as i already donated a good sum and receive donations like they do... unfortunately the mechanism working as like people just get profit in its own pocket, i don't believe anything is hitting Assange That is unfortunate that you have been unsuccessful in getting your funds returned... from a genuine mistake. It also seems a bit sketchy that you can just setup a wikileaks group and start asking for donations... I'd be very very hesistant to donate anything, knowing that this is how the whole thing seems to be setup! :o :-\ Title: Re: sent btc by mistake Post by: mccleanmmilo on December 27, 2021, 08:45:17 AM Hello. Inadvertently sent a second transfer to a disposable wallet (expired) electrum. The second transfer was not credited, although the confirmations have already passed. Please tell me how can I recover and receive money from the second transfer? Where can I find the Used addresses?
Title: Re: sent btc by mistake Post by: pooya87 on December 27, 2021, 10:46:42 AM Hello. Inadvertently sent a second transfer to a disposable wallet (expired) electrum. The second transfer was not credited, although the confirmations have already passed. Please tell me how can I recover and receive money from the second transfer? Where can I find the Used addresses? Electrum wallets or the addresses it gives you are NEVER expiring. If you have correctly copied the address the wallet gave you and received a payment then it is already in your wallet. You can go to your History tab and see it.What "expires" is a payment request that makes no difference in you receiving the payment or the address that remains a part of your wallet. Title: Re: sent btc by mistake Post by: o_e_l_e_o on December 27, 2021, 08:18:20 PM As pooya has said, addresses never expire and so the coins are at the address in question. If you can't find the coins in your wallet, then make sure the address is correct, make sure you have opened the correct wallet, and make sure your wallet is properly syncing with the blockchain and showing you the most up to date information.
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