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Let suppose i write a 150 - 300 words on any topic here on bitcointalk. After sometime i see same text is published on one another site. So in this case the 3rd party site has plagiarised the content and not me. How will i be able to proof this ?

Same question about how googles treat this. If one site pubish a content and after few minutes another site copies and publish same content, how to tell which one is original and which is copy?

 

Posts here have a published date, most forums or content publishing sites generally have the same thing except it's blogger (or similar) which you can hide with customization. However I believe it can still be identified by some method (say by page inspection or something else).

Google's search algorithm will display based on the SEO score of a site (maybe I'm wrong), and based on the amount of advertising money you give to google (lol). Google cannot be used as a reference to detect plagiarism.

In order for your account to be banned, it must be manually reviewed (if its rank is high), and therefore it is easy to determine who has plagiarized by looking at the date of publication and the timing of publication, and therefore the rule is that you did not plagiarize unless this is proven.

If you wrote the post yourself and did not do plagiarism, it is rare that you will be banned because of something wrong, and you can complain if it happens.

In general, always quote, don't try plagiarism and you'll be safe.

Exactly, if anyone has not done plagiarism, he should not be worried at all. There are enough tools available online which can determine who wrote the post first and who copied it. In my stay here for few years, I haven't seen anyone being penalized if he has not done plagiarism. The accounts get banned if you really have copy pasted the text from here or anywhere on the web.

There are tools like turnitin and grammarly but these are academic and don't check against bitcointalk. Google results have dates on them and so do BTT posts, i guess that is the best way of determining who the original was

There are some tools to check plagiarism both free or paid tools such as https://www.copyscape.com/ , https://smallseotools.com/plagiarism-checker/ , and others. Commonly paid plagiarism checkers will offer more specific and also better details and more sources.
Btw, you may not need to worry if someday your posts or articles or publications may be same with others because of some reasons.
If someone consider that your publications or other people do plagiarism, they can check it by using that plagiarism checkers. And the plagiarism checker will work by crawling data by identifying some elements, crawling from all sources in Google, website, journals, forum, and other publications. 
There will be showed the platform including every sentence that is similar. And we can also check which are actually plagiarized from the posted date of the publications or posts itself.
And there are some portions that consider the text or sentences are plagiarism or not.

Btw, you may need also to check the completed information here, there also some percentage of acceptable plagiarism to be considered, but of course, it will depend on who are reviewing the plagiarism:
https://plagiarismsearch.com/how-plagiarism-checker-work.html

Google treats the copies as plagiarism depending on the penguin update how they drop their rank on Google rankings.
And it always depends on the time who is the first one and the copied one.

Take note copyscape is an advanced tool like the above mention it could detect all possible copies of contents from your post.
Also take note of Grammarly they also have features to detect plagiarism so while you are creating content it will let you know if your content is plagiarism.

Why would you want to do that? In the event that your post is reported for plagiarism, your post will be manually reviewed by moderators before any action is taken against you. In such a case, it will be sufficient to compare the timestamps to determine which content came first.

A few tools to check plagiarism

• https://www.grammarly.com/plagiarism-checker
• https://smallseotools.com/plagiarism-checker/
• https://searchenginereports.net/
• [Guide]How to detect rule-breakers.Techniques and tips. (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3831432.0)

When you see a poster usually make shit posts and one-lined posts but suddenly make a long post. It is good signal of something strange and perhaps wrong. Then you can use Google search to quickly find plagiarism. If you want to dig deeper, use tools.

Fortunately, most of shitposters commit plagiarism very clearly so you don't need any special tool to detect them. Google search is enough.

Just a super stupid shitposter who doesn't know what a function of reference at the end of every post is for. At least it can make their posts unreported for plagiarism although they can still be deleted by moderators or moved due to repeated discussion. Generally many of them I think know what the ground rules of this forum are about post quality, but they don't want to go the extra mile to make it look more constructive as they are also getting paid even if the quality isn't according the standard.

I'll tell you a slightly different story. The account very_452001 (https://bpip.org/Profile?id=961100) was recently blocked. Although we can see that this is an account with a fairly high rank, having been on the forum for several years, he did not bother to read the rules.
His story is that he may have written an article on Reddit, then directly copied it to the forum. And even though he was probably a single contributor for the two platforms, his account was blocked.
Draw your conclusion. Even if you write something on other resources, do not hesitate to copy the link from where you copied even your post, otherwise, everything may end very badly for you. Because after the ban, it is quite difficult to prove that you could be the owner of the account on Reddit from which the post was moved here.

Checking plagarism test is better to use Google description of checking plagarism, in universities we use Google to check every work frame of students and especially during project defense and seminar presentation of any students, if you process these very well is okay that no difference between getting bitcoin plagarism and academic plagiarism, so with Google you get it clearly.

While Google searches are definitely enough in most instances, I'd recommend using search operators to narrow down the searches, it'll make the search engine much better, and refined to what your looking for. The majority of people are using Google or any search engine for that matter inefficiently, whereas introducing search operators while potentially time consuming learning, will speed up the process for more complicated searches. "Site:" for example is one I use pretty much everyday, you can also exclude sites which is a fantastic way of removing plagiarized posts from here in the search results.

However, if that fails most plagiarism checkers are okay, some more complex cases are definitely missed, however they are decent if you can't figure out search operators.  

I panicked.
I added the first 1,000 words of a thread (El Salvador Bond) of mine into that tool and I got 88% plagiarism!

Checking, I discovered the text was plagiarized from an obscure Italian writer from an old-style Bitcoin forum.

That tool basically splits your text into sentences and searches the web for those.
As bitcointalk.org is indexed, the text was correctly detected as plagiarism against my own thread where I cooped the text from.

phew... I could have guessed that.

He may have written the reddit article? He doesn't remember whether he did or not?

I haven't heard about this particular case, but I am quite sure that we had similar incidents like that in the past. A user copying his own posts from social media or a personal blog to Bitcointalk. It should be easy to prove whether the original content is his or not. He could simply edit it by adding his Bitcointalk profile link to the bottom of the post, for example.

It sounds like a case of clumsiness and something that doesn't need to happen. But honestly not a reason I would ban someone. It definitely would be if he couldn't prove he owned that Reddit account though.

I agree with you completely. But, firstly, he did not appeal the revision of the ban. And secondly, we do not see the link to the author, which means that we have the right to think that this is the most common copying.
The Recent history of the RainbowKun (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5356476.msg57785305#msg57785305) farm, and dozens of banned accounts that copied messages from Reddit, taught me not to trust such posters.
Another example, yesterday's account ban.https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1926895.msg58799869#msg58799869
Exactly the same story, copying from Reddit.
Maybe such cases of bans will teach users not to disdain and add links to their first posts on the network?

To be honest, the post wouldn't be plagiarised unless you duplicate it from somewhere else. Writing your own content by yourself wouldn't math with others anyway. But if you follow some articles during writing a post then there is a chance of matching content. In that case, you may use some free tools that mention above. Usually, we use that for plagiarism checks. Try to write content from your mind, just don't steal others' content. 

Everything in bitcointalk forum.about posts is that there's always a date of when it is posted so you will know that you own it. If you found a post and you think that the post is the same as yours then you can try CTRL + F and paste your post and see if it matches most/some of the words used in the post you think that it's plagiarized then it will highlight the plagiarized content. You should report it and that user will surely get banned unless that user have valid reason why that user shouldn't be banned.

Why would anyone wait until they were banned before proving ownership of the content they copied? When it only takes a few seconds to copy the reference link and paste it wherever they are publishing the duplicate of their work? Isn't it better to include a reference to the original work, since the original will also get visibility? Self-plagiarism is a crime, and not every forum will give you the opportunity to prove you own the work.

In which jurisdiction? Copyright literally means you have a right to make copies or to provide non-exclusive or exclusive right for that to someone else. So self-plagiarism is something impossible: there can be an issue if exclusive rights were provided to someone else, but forum publications do not apply to this.

Self-plagiarism is not impossible; it is a common mistake that bloggers and article publishers make on a regular basis when attempting to pass off their previous research or publication work as a brand new work. It's referred to as "duplicate publication" in academic circles, and it's a punishable offense on online forums.

There is a rule against duplicate posting on Bitcointalk, so moderators are most likely to delete such a post if it is reported. However, I do agree that self-plagiarism is likely to go unpunished.

Yes, we had the same problem in the past, and the user was banned for republishing his own claimed articles on Bitcointalk without citation; he attempted to prove it later, but it was too late. It's a stupid thing to do, passing off your original work to deceive people is wrong and punishable.

In this context, if what is referred to as self-plagerism is copying self's work in this forum or any other platform and using it in your current work, it is not a crime.

But we should not also blame the moderators if one is banned because of it. This is because, the process to prove that you are the original owner is tedious, especially when it spans across platforms. In order to save the stress and risk, it is better you still reference, even when you are the original owner.

Besides, I can go copy random text from the internet without a reference and claim I am the original writer. Who has all the time in the world to prove me wrong by searching for the original author?

Wait, RainbowKun isn't banned, is he? Not according to BPIP (https://bpip.org/Profile?id=2852519) he isn't. He is also wearing a signature, so he can't be banned. Signatures get deleted for banned users.

I don't remember what exactly happened, but I think he was accused of plagiarizing and meriting his own alts by forum members. I think by Ratimov. He didn't' run into a problem with the forum mods and the Bitcointalk rules. In that case, you can't use that as an example of self-plagiarism. To prevent even the slightest possibility of problems in the future, just add the source link.   

I'm far from blaming moderators, in this hypothetical situation they are doing their work properly. But if someone forgets to leave a reference to an own work we can talk about some kind of mistake but not about crime. Yes, it is much better to reference to a previous publication, but to pass off others work as own is not the same as to forget to reference an own work.

I believe the Mod was persuaded by the evidence he presented about his ownership of the original source from which the contents were copied; he went to great lengths to prove it. I'm saying that not every user is afforded the opportunity to prove plagiarism charges. If it were a thesis paper or a journal article, such work would be flagged because no one has time to listen to excuses.

It is there is no two ways about it. Look up the definition you would understand more.

I've caught a few people just by searching part of their text on google. If I see a long professional text from a newbie, it is usually a red flag. Most of the time they copy/paste texts from the news websites. There are other advanced tools which other people mentioned earlier but I've never used them. They are probably good at what they do too. If a person is clever enough to commit plagiarism and not get caught, he is probably smart enough to construct his own sentences so I believe plagiarism is done by stupid people mostly.

The admins don't ban people here unless there is sufficient evidence that shows that plagiarism was committed. Those who get banned can appeal, and if they can prove they are the original content creators the ban will be lifted. I remember at least one such case, but there is no way I can find a link to that particular thread now. The rules here aren't as strict as in academic circles and they shouldn't be. But again, I agree with you that there shouldn't be a reason to withhold links to the original discussions even if it's yours.   

I tried some of those tools and in the end I reverted to a simple Google search as in huge majority of cases its more than good enough.


I wouldn't say stupid, more like dishonest and/or lazy. Then there is another small percentage of people that plagiarize due utter ignorance. That of course is not a valid excuse and wont save you for being banned, but it happens.

Yes, this is a forum, but we both agreed that self-plagiarism should be discouraged in order to avoid finding ourselves in more difficult situations. I've proofread hundreds of articles and journals and can tell you that authors are the most slackers on the internet.

Google respects the unique content. This is a very old website with high traffic, high load speed, and lots of posts, so, it's an old and reputable website for Google. That's why posts and threads created on bitcointalk are almost immediately indexed by Google. NYTimes, BBC, Deutsche Welle, and popular news websites that value the uniqueness of their content, won't steal a things from bitcointalk.
So, the situation looks like this:
Content is published on Bitcointalk
Another site copies it in a few minutes
Google indexes Bitcointalk at first and then other websites (Let's assume websites with high SEO reputation than bitcointalk won't steal content from it)
Google understood over time that Bitcointalk is a reliable source and prefers to trust it over others, Bitcointalk gets better SEO reputation and another site that copied the content gets worse positions in Google search.

I am not a SEO expert but that's what I know from my work and personal blog experiences.

There are two important things to consider about self-plagiarism in bitcointalk.

First, if you have an article/post on any other site /forum and if you copied it here, you should include the link also otherwise its likely that you will get banned for plagiarism even though you have written an article/post yourself.

Secondly, if you write a post and post it on multiple threads on bitcointalk, I think you are in trouble. Doing it once or twice may not be harmful but doing it constantly for the purpose to increase activity/post count will defiantly result in a ban.

That would be considered as spam and you would eventually be banned for spamming. It's impossible to say how many times one would have to do that to get in trouble. Such posts are usually deleted if reported and the mods only leave one copy of it.

There are of course some exceptions. If you have a service thread and you are buying or selling something, it's perfectly fine to offer the same service and create two identical threads in two sub-boards. One in the Services section and one in the Altcoin Marketplace sub. The only difference is that you accept BTC in the thread posted in Services and alts in the one you made in the Altcoins board.   

If i post a technical analysis chart or image in WO Thread, can i still post the same technical analysis chart or image in any other section like bitcoin discussion or speculation?

I am not sure how the admins look at images and charts. But I don't think there is a problem as long as you write an analysis as well and a post that isn't copy-pasted across multiple boards. If you posted something in the WO thread, and you come across a discussion in some other board where you realize that the chart you previously posted in WO is perfectly suited to prove your point, you can do that. You can mention that you posted the graph elsewhere on the forum and include it in quotes. If you are active in a local sub and there is a thread or child board for analyzing market movements and trends, you can even translate your post from English and post it in your native language.   

I believe it is only appropriate if one is in a native language and the other is in English; having the same post in two English boards does not appear to be something the mods will overlook. However, I could be wrong

Probably check the date and time that it has been published to see which one is original and which one is fake or just copying the content.

very simple, namely from the date of publication. whichever is published first is the original.

unless you have unpublished text and your text is stolen and published by someone else first. then it will belong to the thief who publishes first.
because you won't have any proof.

In essence if am not mistaken, when you said "write content from your mind", what you're trying to say is that one should in as much as they can put up a post about any article they must have read right through their very understanding  in different style and diction.

Even though it portrays same message it wouldn't be regarded as plagiarism. The point is that words to words writing, statements should be strictly avoided but the idea in the subject matter remains the same.

It's like baking a bread which everyone knows it's a bread but of different recipes.

The mind alone is so varse that it can produce multiple ideas anf messages on just one subject. So I see no reason why some persons plagiarize. Plagiarism is another way of undermining ones mind as not having the ability to do much more better.

Nowadays plagiarism is very popular copying the  text or article from someone else then pasting it here without citing the site or mentioning the author of the text/article without knowing that plagiarism is the best enemy here in this forum.
But if you post and text by your own understanding and put any valid resources on what you are writing then it should not called plagiarism.