How do you check plagiarism?

[Igebotz]

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Self-plagiarism is a crime
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In which jurisdiction? Copyright literally means you have a right to make copies or to provide non-exclusive or exclusive right for that to someone else. So self-plagiarism is something impossible: there can be an issue if exclusive rights were provided to someone else, but forum publications do not apply to this.

Self-plagiarism is not impossible; it is a common mistake that bloggers and article publishers make on a regular basis when attempting to pass off their previous research or publication work as a brand new work. It's referred to as "duplicate publication" in academic circles, and it's a punishable offense on online forums.

[FatFork]

In which jurisdiction? Copyright literally means you have a right to make copies or to provide non-exclusive or exclusive right for that to someone else. So self-plagiarism is something impossible: there can be an issue if exclusive rights were provided to someone else, but forum publications do not apply to this.

Self-plagiarism is not impossible; it is a common mistake that bloggers and article publishers make on a regular basis when attempting to pass off their previous research or publication work as a brand new work. It's referred to as "duplicate publication" in academic circles, and it's a punishable offense on online forums.

I'm curious, which forum actually punish it's member for self-plagiarism? Even bitcointalk doesn't do that.

There is a rule against duplicate posting on Bitcointalk, so moderators are most likely to delete such a post if it is reported. However, I do agree that self-plagiarism is likely to go unpunished.

[Igebotz]

Yes, we had the same problem in the past, and the user was banned for republishing his own claimed articles on Bitcointalk without citation; he attempted to prove it later, but it was too late. It's a stupid thing to do, passing off your original work to deceive people is wrong and punishable.

Self-plagiarism is not impossible; it is a common mistake that bloggers and article publishers make on a regular basis when attempting to pass off their previous research or publication work as a brand new work. It's referred to as "duplicate publication" in academic circles, and it's a punishable offense on online forums.

I'm curious, which forum actually punish it's member for self-plagiarism? Even bitcointalk doesn't do that.

I have sent a PM to Mr. nutildah, and put "I am RainbowKun on Bitcointalk" on my social media signature as he requested to prove that I am the original author of these articles. I published some articles in China's encrypted media in 2018. However, many of the contents are too long and have a certain time effect, so the articles published on bitcointalk are all modified and improved based on my original views. But now most of the articles are rewritten by me in the past two months. This took up almost all of my energy.

[KingsDen]

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Self-plagiarism is a crime
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In which jurisdiction? Copyright literally means you have a right to make copies or to provide non-exclusive or exclusive right for that to someone else. So self-plagiarism is something impossible: there can be an issue if exclusive rights were provided to someone else, but forum publications do not apply to this.

In this context, if what is referred to as self-plagerism is copying self's work in this forum or any other platform and using it in your current work, it is not a crime.

But we should not also blame the moderators if one is banned because of it. This is because, the process to prove that you are the original owner is tedious, especially when it spans across platforms. In order to save the stress and risk, it is better you still reference, even when you are the original owner.

Besides, I can go copy random text from the internet without a reference and claim I am the original writer. Who has all the time in the world to prove me wrong by searching for the original author?

[Pmalek]

Yes, we had the same problem in the past, and the user was banned for republishing his own claimed articles on Bitcointalk without citation; he attempted to prove it later, but it was too late. It's a stupid thing to do, passing off your original work to deceive people is wrong and punishable.

Wait, RainbowKun isn't banned, is he? Not according to BPIP he isn't. He is also wearing a signature, so he can't be banned. Signatures get deleted for banned users.

I don't remember what exactly happened, but I think he was accused of plagiarizing and meriting his own alts by forum members. I think by Ratimov. He didn't' run into a problem with the forum mods and the Bitcointalk rules. In that case, you can't use that as an example of self-plagiarism. To prevent even the slightest possibility of problems in the future, just add the source link.   

[jokers10]

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Self-plagiarism is a crime
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In which jurisdiction? Copyright literally means you have a right to make copies or to provide non-exclusive or exclusive right for that to someone else. So self-plagiarism is something impossible: there can be an issue if exclusive rights were provided to someone else, but forum publications do not apply to this.

In this context, if what is referred to as self-plagerism is copying self's work in this forum or any other platform and using it in your current work, it is not a crime.

But we should not also blame the moderators if one is banned because of it. This is because, the process to prove that you are the original owner is tedious, especially when it spans across platforms. In order to save the stress and risk, it is better you still reference, even when you are the original owner.

Besides, I can go copy random text from the internet without a reference and claim I am the original writer. Who has all the time in the world to prove me wrong by searching for the original author?

I'm far from blaming moderators, in this hypothetical situation they are doing their work properly. But if someone forgets to leave a reference to an own work we can talk about some kind of mistake but not about crime. Yes, it is much better to reference to a previous publication, but to pass off others work as own is not the same as to forget to reference an own work.

[Igebotz]

Yes, we had the same problem in the past, and the user was banned for republishing his own claimed articles on Bitcointalk without citation; he attempted to prove it later, but it was too late. It's a stupid thing to do, passing off your original work to deceive people is wrong and punishable.

Wait, RainbowKun isn't banned, is he? Not according to BPIP he isn't. He is also wearing a signature, so he can't be banned. Signatures get deleted for banned users.

I don't remember what exactly happened, but I think he was accused of plagiarizing and meriting his own alts by forum members. I think by Ratimov. He didn't' run into a problem with the forum mods and the Bitcointalk rules. In that case, you can't use that as an example of self-plagiarism. To prevent even the slightest possibility of problems in the future, just add the source link.   

I believe the Mod was persuaded by the evidence he presented about his ownership of the original source from which the contents were copied; he went to great lengths to prove it. I'm saying that not every user is afforded the opportunity to prove plagiarism charges. If it were a thesis paper or a journal article, such work would be flagged because no one has time to listen to excuses.

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Self-plagiarism is a crime
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In this context, if what is referred to as self-plagerism is copying self's work in this forum or any other platform and using it in your current work, it is not a crime.

It is there is no two ways about it. Look up the definition you would understand more.

[mindrust]

I've caught a few people just by searching part of their text on google. If I see a long professional text from a newbie, it is usually a red flag. Most of the time they copy/paste texts from the news websites. There are other advanced tools which other people mentioned earlier but I've never used them. They are probably good at what they do too. If a person is clever enough to commit plagiarism and not get caught, he is probably smart enough to construct his own sentences so I believe plagiarism is done by stupid people mostly.

[Pmalek]

I'm saying that not every user is afforded the opportunity to prove plagiarism charges. If it were a thesis paper or a journal article, such work would be flagged because no one has time to listen to excuses.

The admins don't ban people here unless there is sufficient evidence that shows that plagiarism was committed. Those who get banned can appeal, and if they can prove they are the original content creators the ban will be lifted. I remember at least one such case, but there is no way I can find a link to that particular thread now. The rules here aren't as strict as in academic circles and they shouldn't be. But again, I agree with you that there shouldn't be a reason to withhold links to the original discussions even if it's yours.   

[Rikafip]

There are other advanced tools which other people mentioned earlier but I've never used them. They are probably good at what they do too.

I tried some of those tools and in the end I reverted to a simple Google search as in huge majority of cases its more than good enough.

If a person is clever enough to commit plagiarism and not get caught, he is probably smart enough to construct his own sentences so I believe plagiarism is done by stupid people mostly.

I wouldn't say stupid, more like dishonest and/or lazy. Then there is another small percentage of people that plagiarize due utter ignorance. That of course is not a valid excuse and wont save you for being banned, but it happens.

[Igebotz]

I'm saying that not every user is afforded the opportunity to prove plagiarism charges. If it were a thesis paper or a journal article, such work would be flagged because no one has time to listen to excuses.

The admins don't ban people here unless there is sufficient evidence that shows that plagiarism was committed. Those who get banned can appeal, and if they can prove they are the original content creators the ban will be lifted. I remember at least one such case, but there is no way I can find a link to that particular thread now. The rules here aren't as strict as in academic circles and they shouldn't be. But again, I agree with you that there shouldn't be a reason to withhold links to the original discussions even if it's yours.   

Yes, this is a forum, but we both agreed that self-plagiarism should be discouraged in order to avoid finding ourselves in more difficult situations. I've proofread hundreds of articles and journals and can tell you that authors are the most slackers on the internet.

[Synchronice]

Same question about how googles treat this. If one site pubish a content and after few minutes another site copies and publish same content, how to tell which one is original and which is copy?

Google respects the unique content. This is a very old website with high traffic, high load speed, and lots of posts, so, it's an old and reputable website for Google. That's why posts and threads created on bitcointalk are almost immediately indexed by Google. NYTimes, BBC, Deutsche Welle, and popular news websites that value the uniqueness of their content, won't steal a things from bitcointalk.
So, the situation looks like this:
Content is published on Bitcointalk
Another site copies it in a few minutes
Google indexes Bitcointalk at first and then other websites (Let's assume websites with high SEO reputation than bitcointalk won't steal content from it)
Google understood over time that Bitcointalk is a reliable source and prefers to trust it over others, Bitcointalk gets better SEO reputation and another site that copied the content gets worse positions in Google search.

I am not a SEO expert but that's what I know from my work and personal blog experiences.

[UmerIdrees]

In which jurisdiction? Copyright literally means you have a right to make copies or to provide non-exclusive or exclusive right for that to someone else. So self-plagiarism is something impossible: there can be an issue if exclusive rights were provided to someone else, but forum publications do not apply to this.

Self-plagiarism is not impossible; it is a common mistake that bloggers and article publishers make on a regular basis when attempting to pass off their previous research or publication work as a brand new work. It's referred to as "duplicate publication" in academic circles, and it's a punishable offense on online forums.

I'm curious, which forum actually punish it's member for self-plagiarism? Even bitcointalk doesn't do that.

There are two important things to consider about self-plagiarism in bitcointalk.

First, if you have an article/post on any other site /forum and if you copied it here, you should include the link also otherwise its likely that you will get banned for plagiarism even though you have written an article/post yourself.

Secondly, if you write a post and post it on multiple threads on bitcointalk, I think you are in trouble. Doing it once or twice may not be harmful but doing it constantly for the purpose to increase activity/post count will defiantly result in a ban.

[Pmalek]

Secondly, if you write a post and post it on multiple threads on bitcointalk, I think you are in trouble. Doing it once or twice may not be harmful but doing it constantly for the purpose to increase activity/post count will defiantly result in a ban.

That would be considered as spam and you would eventually be banned for spamming. It's impossible to say how many times one would have to do that to get in trouble. Such posts are usually deleted if reported and the mods only leave one copy of it.

There are of course some exceptions. If you have a service thread and you are buying or selling something, it's perfectly fine to offer the same service and create two identical threads in two sub-boards. One in the Services section and one in the Altcoin Marketplace sub. The only difference is that you accept BTC in the thread posted in Services and alts in the one you made in the Altcoins board.   

[Samrean]

Secondly, if you write a post and post it on multiple threads on bitcointalk, I think you are in trouble. Doing it once or twice may not be harmful but doing it constantly for the purpose to increase activity/post count will defiantly result in a ban.

That would be considered as spam and you would eventually be banned for spamming. It's impossible to say how many times one would have to do that to get in trouble. Such posts are usually deleted if reported and the mods only leave one copy of it.

There are of course some exceptions. If you have a service thread and you are buying or selling something, it's perfectly fine to offer the same service and create two identical threads in two sub-boards. One in the Services section and one in the Altcoin Marketplace sub. The only difference is that you accept BTC in the thread posted in Services and alts in the one you made in the Altcoins board.   

If i post a technical analysis chart or image in WO Thread, can i still post the same technical analysis chart or image in any other section like bitcoin discussion or speculation?

[Pmalek]

If i post a technical analysis chart or image in WO Thread, can i still post the same technical analysis chart or image in any other section like bitcoin discussion or speculation?

I am not sure how the admins look at images and charts. But I don't think there is a problem as long as you write an analysis as well and a post that isn't copy-pasted across multiple boards. If you posted something in the WO thread, and you come across a discussion in some other board where you realize that the chart you previously posted in WO is perfectly suited to prove your point, you can do that. You can mention that you posted the graph elsewhere on the forum and include it in quotes. If you are active in a local sub and there is a thread or child board for analyzing market movements and trends, you can even translate your post from English and post it in your native language.   

[Igebotz]

If i post a technical analysis chart or image in WO Thread, can i still post the same technical analysis chart or image in any other section like bitcoin discussion or speculation?

I am not sure how the admins look at images and charts. But I don't think there is a problem as long as you write an analysis as well and a post that isn't copy-pasted across multiple boards. If you posted something in the WO thread, and you come across a discussion in some other board where you realize that the chart you previously posted in WO is perfectly suited to prove your point, you can do that. You can mention that you posted the graph elsewhere on the forum and include it in quotes. If you are active in a local sub and there is a thread or child board for analyzing market movements and trends, you can even translate your post from English and post it in your native language.   

I believe it is only appropriate if one is in a native language and the other is in English; having the same post in two English boards does not appear to be something the mods will overlook. However, I could be wrong

[chr1stian12]

Probably check the date and time that it has been published to see which one is original and which one is fake or just copying the content.

[Jatiluhung]

very simple, namely from the date of publication. whichever is published first is the original.

unless you have unpublished text and your text is stolen and published by someone else first. then it will belong to the thief who publishes first.
because you won't have any proof.

[Markinzo]

To be honest, the post wouldn't be plagiarised unless you duplicate it from somewhere else. Writing your own content by yourself wouldn't math with others anyway. But if you follow some articles during writing a post then there is a chance of matching content. In that case, you may use some free tools that mention above. Usually, we use that for plagiarism checks. Try to write content from your mind, just don't steal others' content. 

In essence if am not mistaken, when you said "write content from your mind", what you're trying to say is that one should in as much as they can put up a post about any article they must have read right through their very understanding  in different style and diction.

Even though it portrays same message it wouldn't be regarded as plagiarism. The point is that words to words writing, statements should be strictly avoided but the idea in the subject matter remains the same.

It's like baking a bread which everyone knows it's a bread but of different recipes.

The mind alone is so varse that it can produce multiple ideas anf messages on just one subject. So I see no reason why some persons plagiarize. Plagiarism is another way of undermining ones mind as not having the ability to do much more better.