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Title: First impressions on Craig Wright ( Satoshi Nakamoto ? )
Post by: Len Saldua on December 18, 2021, 03:09:08 PM
Wherever I go, opinions seem to be divided about whether Craig Wright is Satoshi Nakamoto or not. Out of curiosity, I decided to watch a few of the interviews and lectures CW has done over the years, and hear what he has to say. I have to admit some of the things he said struck me as shocking ( ie. BTC will never go to 100K, BTC is not a store of value, etc. ) but hey, I've got an open mind.
Without going into much detail, after watching several of the interviews on YouTube I have to admit he seems to be the real deal. Or in other words, he is almost everything you'd expect Satoshi Nakamoto to be... and more. I say almost because I expected Satoshi Nakamoto to be a little more nerdish and socially awkward, kind of like Vitalik Buterin and many other computer science geniuses in the space. But I guess genius comes in all forms and Craig Wright may be an example of this.
With a background in Mathematics, Computer Science, Economics and Law, it's hard to imagine a more qualified individual to fit the Satoshi Nakamoto profile. He also holds several Phds to his name and hundreds ( if not thousands ) of patents. So not only is this man highly creative, but also one of the most highly educated and intelligent people you'll ever come across. He is also already a billionaire from what I know, and extremely successful in various fields. So given these extraordinary credentials I don't think the man is looking for attention / fame, or trying to get rich via fraud, in fact he states he doesn't want any of this in one of his interviews. So right now I'm inclined to believe he is who he claims to be. The question now is ... will this be the kiss of death for BTC ? I say this because he claims BSV is the real Bitcoin and BTC is not. I understand his reasons but BSV has never been highly regarded by the crypto community and  in fact many shitcoins like Dogecoin and Shiba have a far greater following. Also I don't think his attempts to discredit BTC will go too far... BTC has already been adopted by many Institutions, Banks and people of influence. However, I do believe this casts a shroud of uncertainty over the future of BTC as Craig Wright is a hugely influential figure.


Title: Re: First impressions on Craig Wright ( Satoshi Nakamoto ? )
Post by: Charles-Tim on December 18, 2021, 03:26:58 PM
Wherever I go, opinions seem to be divided about whether Craig Wright is Satoshi Nakamoto or not.
He should prove it, opinion will not be divided but accepted by the whole bitcoin community. If he is Satoshi, it is possible to let the bitcoin community to know about that.

Without going into much detail, after watching several of the interviews on YouTube I have to admit he seems to be the real deal. Or in other words, he is almost everything you'd expect Satoshi Nakamoto to be...
If you admit, then you did not know the details.

The question now is ... will this be the kiss of death for BTC ? I say this because he claims BSV is the real Bitcoin and BTC is not
BSV that was once ranked amount the first 10 coins now at 59th in marketcap. There are other fake bitcoins like BCH also. They want to mimic bitcoin but they dropped when some altcoin with good foresights were created. No other bitcoin but bitcoin that is in the first position ever since it was created, all others are altcoins.


Title: Re: First impressions on Craig Wright ( Satoshi Nakamoto ? )
Post by: Tytanowy Janusz on December 18, 2021, 03:56:17 PM
Who cares who is the real satoshi nakamoto? Does it change bitcoin fundamentals? Does it change anything? Satoshi is gone for more than 10 years (most likely dead based on how he disappeared without good bye). So bitcoin was being developed in 2 years by satoshi and 10 years by community (hundreds of developers) in decentralized way. What satoshi have to say about bitcoin now... has zero value. Its just an opinion of random guy from internet that made something good 12 years ago.

So not only is this man highly creative, but also one of the most highly educated and intelligent people you'll ever come across. He is also already a billionaire from what I know, and extremely successful in various fields. So given these extraordinary credentials I don't think the man is looking for attention / fame, or trying to get rich via fraud, in fact he states he doesn't want any of this in one of his interviews.

1-There are many successful/rich people. Hundreds of thousands of them ... but there is only 1 bitcoin creator.
2-He aims to convince people that bitcoin is not the "real bitcoin" and the "real bitcoin" is BSV and being officially named as bitcoin creator will help a lot in this. If he succeeds (I doubt that) we are talking about billions if not trillions of $$ deal.


Title: Re: First impressions on Craig Wright ( Satoshi Nakamoto ? )
Post by: bitmover on December 18, 2021, 04:00:53 PM
Wherever I go, opinions seem to be divided about whether Craig Wright is Satoshi Nakamoto or not.

You have been going to the wrong places then.

I have never seen anyone who thinks Craig is Satoshi.




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So right now I'm inclined to believe he is who he claims to be. The question now is ... will this be the kiss of death for BTC ? I say this because he claims BSV is the real Bitcoin and BTC is not. I understand his reasons but BSV has never been highly regarded by the crypto community and  in fact many shitcoins like Dogecoin and Shiba have a far greater following. Also I don't think his attempts to discredit BTC will go too far... BTC has already been adopted by many Institutions, Banks and people of influence. However, I do believe this casts a shroud of uncertainty over the future of BTC as Craig Wright is a hugely influential figure.

Bitcoin is worth about $ 47000 and BSV about $ 120.
This certainly answers your questions and doubts about what is the real bitcoin for most people.


Title: Re: First impressions on Craig Wright ( Satoshi Nakamoto ? )
Post by: tranthidung on December 18, 2021, 04:04:00 PM
satoshi can not shut down Bitcoin network. Satoshi can not freeze any Bitcoin in any address or wallet. Satoshi can not solely code and upgrade codes for Bitcoin now.

All things only can be done by community, via community consensus. It is magic of decentralization which is initiated by satoshi. It takes years to be built and impossible to be broken by any single person. Because Bitcoin network, communities now are huge and really decentralized.


Title: Re: First impressions on Craig Wright ( Satoshi Nakamoto ? )
Post by: Len Saldua on December 18, 2021, 04:05:55 PM
How crazy would it be if BSV now started going parabolic all the way to 100K because of Craig Wright ?  ;D
Stranger things have happened !!


Title: Re: First impressions on Craig Wright ( Satoshi Nakamoto ? )
Post by: cabron on December 18, 2021, 04:07:38 PM
Seem to be the opposite of what you are saying. If he really is Satoshi, he should have stayed dead!

Real Satoshi wouldn't even take credit for what he had done compared to that Craig. He could have said something smart to make people believe but he hasn't even one but just a claim. I bet he didn't even code a single line to make the BSV different from the original.


Title: Re: First impressions on Craig Wright ( Satoshi Nakamoto ? )
Post by: franky1 on December 18, 2021, 04:20:49 PM
With a background in Mathematics, Computer Science, Economics and Law, it's hard to imagine a more qualified individual

noob account going pro-craig.. makes me laugh

though claiming to be Dr. Craig for decades he only completed his first doctorate in 2017, yes 4 years ago
yep he has been faking his education for decades

maybe try do do some research and realise:
he has been running scams for years. many many scams
he didnt even get involved in bitcoin until 2013
then tried faking he started in 2011 for tax purposes. and then when caught. tried faking he invented it in 2008 to evade penalties. in both cases the tax office didnt take his word for it

he has no good coding skills and instead hires others to code for him. aswell as hires others to write his patents and education material

he loves to talk about the theory of bitcoin but cannot even remember basic coding parts of what makes bitcoin, bitcoin.

..
maybe its best to report this topic to be thrown in the trash along with the other silly noob accounts that try to pretend craig is important.. because, he is not important, nor satoshi







Title: Re: First impressions on Craig Wright ( Satoshi Nakamoto ? )
Post by: aoluain on December 18, 2021, 04:44:09 PM
Wherever I go, opinions seem to be divided about whether Craig Wright is Satoshi Nakamoto or not.

You have been going to the wrong places then.

I have never seen anyone who thinks Craig is Satoshi.


Exactly!

Simply listen to reputable members here on the forum, especially Greg Maxwell (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=11425)
and anyone would be set straight about the Wrights claims.

The reputable members of the forum, members who have been in the space for
a number of years who have seen it all regarding Bitcoin dont know Satoshi but
sure as hell know who isnt Satoshi.

So there is no better place to get your CSW info than here on the forum!


Title: Re: First impressions on Craig Wright ( Satoshi Nakamoto ? )
Post by: noorman0 on December 18, 2021, 04:53:49 PM
-snip-
So not only is this man highly creative, but also one of the most highly educated and intelligent people you'll ever come across. He is also already a billionaire from what I know, and extremely successful in various fields.


I don't know about satoshi's background, neither about CW I don't really care. But you think so, I don't see it that way in reality. If he was rich and a genius, he should be making something more out of bitcoins instead of pursuing recognition rights that don't belong to him. Did he lose inspiration, or simply has none??

Awards & Achievements

Dr. Wright has not been recognized for his work by any reputed organization to date.
LOL


Title: Re: First impressions on random guy with wild claims
Post by: kaggie on December 18, 2021, 06:09:23 PM
However, I do believe this casts a shroud of uncertainty over the future of BTC as Craig Wright is a hugely influential figure.
The great thing about bitcoin is that it doesn't matter if Santa, the NSA, Genghis Khan, or whoever is its founder.
It was open sourced, open licenced, and decentralised.
Even Satoshi couldn't change that at this point.


Title: Re: First impressions on Craig Wright ( Satoshi Nakamoto ? )
Post by: mm2543363580 on December 18, 2021, 06:18:55 PM

2-He aims to convince people that bitcoin is not the "real bitcoin" and the "real bitcoin" is BSV and being officially named as bitcoin creator will help a lot in this. If he succeeds (I doubt that) we are talking about billions if not trillions of $$ deal.


The irony is that Craig Wright has claimed so many things but failed to prove any single of his claim. He is not satoshi but faketoshi. IMO its us who made such people popular by giving them so much importance. If he is real satoshi he can prove it by moving bitcoin sitting in satoshis wallet for decade.


Title: Re: First impressions on Craig Wright ( Satoshi Nakamoto ? )
Post by: Len Saldua on December 18, 2021, 06:49:54 PM
Wow. Some of the comments here! It seems some of the nay sayers are mostly basing their views on gossip and internet rumors. I'm open minded, but show me some real evidence ! And are you even aware that Craig Wright just won a civil lawsuit against him regarding the creation of Bitcoin ? ( they wanted to take away a big chunk of the early mined Bitcoins, which only Satoshi Nakamoto would have had access to ) Also, moving coins is not the only way to prove you have access to the private keys, there are other ways, and CW has already done this privately in front of a few selected individuals. You need to find the Kitco report on it ( keywords "Kitco News Satoshi Nakamoto")I would share the direct link here but last time I did that my post got removed by moderators.


Title: Re: First impressions on Craig Wright ( Satoshi Nakamoto ? )
Post by: Leonardo7 on December 18, 2021, 06:51:41 PM
The real Satoshi haven seen the success of his works will never attempt to be draging issues and seeking attention without a proper technical proof. I understand Craig Wright has a lot of disciples who are now rekt for buying BSV instead of investing in BTC. Today, I don't expect his disciples to still be following him after heavily misleding them.  A patriot will never seek to destroy the good way.


Title: Re: First impressions on Craig Wright ( Satoshi Nakamoto ? )
Post by: Len Saldua on December 18, 2021, 07:04:40 PM
There's another guy... Roger Ver "the Bitcoin Jesus", who claims that Bitcoin Cash is the real deal because it can actually be used for payments. So it seems both Bitcoin SV and Bitcoin Cash are more efficient for electronic payments than BTC. Then there is Litecoin, Digibyte, Nano, and a dozen other cryptos that can be used as forms of payment, yet BTC remains at the top.


Title: Re: First impressions on Craig Wright ( Satoshi Nakamoto ? )
Post by: Haunebu on December 18, 2021, 07:32:44 PM
It's rare seeing someone openly support the clown called 'Craig Wright' and it's even rarer to see someone think that he is 'Satoshi Nakamoto'. Anyone with a half-decent brain knows that he is just lying for the sake of attention.

Shroud of uncertainty over BTC because of this attention seeking fool? This seriously cracked me up.

If you actually buy his crap, you need to get your head checked asap. Also, history has already proven that BTC is way ahead of all other cryptocurrencies and this won't change in the future either.


Title: Re: First impressions on Craig Wright ( Satoshi Nakamoto ? )
Post by: mynonce on December 18, 2021, 07:38:06 PM
Who cares who is the real satoshi nakamoto? Does it change bitcoin fundamentals? Does it change anything? ... What satoshi have to say about bitcoin now... has zero value.
If someone proved that he/she/they is/are Satoshi, he/she/they could patent the blockchain technology and how we use it.


Title: Re: First impressions on Craig Wright ( Satoshi Nakamoto ? )
Post by: herurist on December 18, 2021, 07:51:55 PM
Anonymity remains the property of satoshi I think, regardless of what you say with the evidence presented as long as it has not been proven true forever will only be speculation because it cannot be proven for real and it is only an analysis of people's judgments.
actually i don't understand why people want to know who satoshi really is. So when they find out what they want to do? will it affect bitcoin again? actually it is enough for him to be anonymized, that is enough for him and we only need to know his name and his extraordinary creation, not to the real person


Title: Re: First impressions on Craig Wright ( Satoshi Nakamoto ? )
Post by: franky1 on December 18, 2021, 09:37:21 PM
Wow. Some of the comments here! It seems some of the nay sayers are mostly basing their views on gossip and internet rumors.

sorry but YOU are basing it on internet rumours.
everyone else has read court documents, contacted the universities, his ex employers. and looked at the paper source facts. not the media attention clickbait CSW and his friends self created

seems you are now stuck in your own bubble of trying to find confirmation bias. where you only want to hear things that confirm your (false) opinion you have found yourself having.

if you were truly open minded. read the actual court documents not the media spin wrote by craigs friends.
contact craigs university and realise he didnt earn his Dr title at/pre-the millennium, but after 2016 by paying a scholar to ghost write his coursework for him.

if you truly had a open mind you will take the hints we are giving you and you would follow them up, if you remain with confirmation bias you will find yourself stuck amongst the liars and scammy people

There's another guy... Roger Ver "the Bitcoin Jesus", who claims that Bitcoin Cash is the real deal because it can actually be used for payments. So it seems both Bitcoin SV and Bitcoin Cash

well atleast you recognise they are talking about altcoins. where by craig has BSV.
so kudos for you for atleast admitting that craigs coin is an altcoin and not bitcoin...
.. now dont try and back track. you admitted it, so stick with that admission and accept that deep down you know craig is an altcoiner trying to play main coiner


Title: Re: First impressions on Craig Wright ( Satoshi Nakamoto ? )
Post by: Tytanowy Janusz on December 18, 2021, 10:12:48 PM
If someone proved that he/she/they is/are Satoshi, he/she/they could patent the blockchain technology and how we use it.

10 year after his disappearance? Nah man. Its not how it works. You can't patent open source code that was always open source and is being under development for last 10 years without  "he/she/they". There is nothing "he/she/they" can do after showing up. No one can. Thats what makes BTC strong.



Title: Re: First impressions on Craig Wright ( Satoshi Nakamoto ? )
Post by: Slow death on December 18, 2021, 10:30:04 PM
this guy is the biggest disaster and shame for the cryptocurrency market, he is constantly embarrassing the whole community with his claims that he is the real satoshi nakamoto and when people ask him to prove the guy he just can't, the price of bitcoin has gone up a lot for the $69000 why doesn't he spend all satoshi bitcoins? he doesn't spend because he can't access bitcoins. he is a fraud and a joke to the whole community.


Title: Re: First impressions on Craig Wright ( Satoshi Nakamoto ? )
Post by: mynonce on December 18, 2021, 11:00:36 PM
If someone proved that he/she/they is/are Satoshi, he/she/they could patent the blockchain technology and how we use it.
10 year after his disappearance? Nah man. Its not how it works. You can't patent open source code ...
Not the source code, I meant the blockchain technology.

Yes, Satoshi distributed the wallet software with 'Copyright (c) 2009 Satoshi Nakamoto' under the MIT/X11 Software License.


Title: Re: First impressions on Craig Wright ( Satoshi Nakamoto ? )
Post by: gmaxwell on December 19, 2021, 04:57:06 AM
If someone proved that he/she/they is/are Satoshi, he/she/they could patent the blockchain technology and how we use it.
Nope. That isn't how patents work.  If someone publishes an invention that publication becomes prior art and is an absolute bar to patentability, after a year even the inventors own publications count as prior art.

So no, Satoshi themselves couldn't even do this.

But your misunderstanding is one of that faketoshi fraudsters like Wright like to exploit.


Title: Re: First impressions on Craig Wright ( Satoshi Nakamoto ? )
Post by: pooya87 on December 19, 2021, 05:15:18 AM
Wherever I go, opinions seem to be divided about whether Craig Wright is Satoshi Nakamoto or not.
I don't know which places you've been going but from what I have seen so far everyone knows for a fact that Craig Wright is a scammer. The handful of people who say otherwise in his support know this fact better than everyone else, they just have some benefit in publicly saying otherwise.

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will this be the kiss of death for BTC ? I say this because he claims BSV is the real Bitcoin and BTC is not.
The most obvious way of knowing if someone is an identity fraudster is to see if they have ever proved any of their claims which CW has never provided any proof whatsoever.

Another easy way to knowing this and whether the shitcoin called BSV has anything to say is to see what it stands for. When Satoshi created bitcoin the goal was obviously decentralization and when the scammer got behind the shitcoin called BSV the goal was obviously centralization and they also clearly made this claim that people shouldn't even be running full nodes and full nodes should be run by centralized authorities that control the network.
In other words BSV fundamental principles are the exact opposite of what Satoshi Nakamoto invented back in 2008.

The fact that you are even asking such a question here shows that you haven't done any research into what Bitcoin is and have been hanging out in some sort of altcoin bag holder echo chamber.


Title: Re: First impressions on Craig Wright ( Satoshi Nakamoto ? )
Post by: o_e_l_e_o on December 19, 2021, 01:55:58 PM
BSV that was once ranked amount the first 10 coins now at 59th in marketcap. There are other fake bitcoins like BCH also.
I don't often check the prices of these fakecoins, but seeing BSV hit a new all time low of 0.0025 BTC and BCash not far off a new all time low at 0.009 BTC does make me chuckle a bit. Dumping that trash at almost 0.2 BTC each was a great decision, even more so as time goes on. I do feel for all the newbies who have fallen victim to these scams, though.

though claiming to be Dr. Craig for decades he only completed his first doctorate in 2017, et 4 years ago
yep he has been faking his education for decades
Don't forget that this doctorate was plagiarized as well, including from a source which discusses the territorial behavior of birds: https://medium.com/@paintedfrog/craig-wright-plagiarized-significant-portions-of-his-phd-thesis-and-tried-to-hide-it-80cd8f01459

I'm open minded, but show me some real evidence !
Yes, exactly this. Show us a single piece of real evidence that CSW is Satoshi. No? Didn't think so.

And are you even aware that Craig Wright just won a civil lawsuit against him regarding the creation of Bitcoin ?
The lawsuit had nothing to do with whether or not he was Satoshi, and he was ordered to pay $100 million to the Kleiman estate.

and CW has already done this privately in front of a few selected individuals.
His methods of doing this are public and have been shown to be fake.


Title: Re: First impressions on Craig Wright ( Satoshi Nakamoto ? )
Post by: amishmanish on December 19, 2021, 04:01:50 PM
Wow. Some of the comments here! It seems some of the nay sayers are mostly basing their views on gossip and internet rumors. I'm open minded, but show me some real evidence ! And are you even aware that Craig Wright just won a civil lawsuit against him regarding the creation of Bitcoin ? ( they wanted to take away a big chunk of the early mined Bitcoins, which only Satoshi Nakamoto would have had access to ) Also, moving coins is not the only way to prove you have access to the private keys, there are other ways, and CW has already done this privately in front of a few selected individuals. You need to find the Kitco report on it ( keywords "Kitco News Satoshi Nakamoto")I would share the direct link here but last time I did that my post got removed by moderators.
From the initial post, you did not seem like one of those trolls who have frequented this forum since the beginning trying to make scammers look legit. There were those who did it for Roger Ver, There are those who do it for CSW. I almost felt like you were genuinely bamboozled by his bullshit coz you have to admit that if you are just someone sincere, really hoping to know Satoshi, you'd fall for his tactics.

Yet, now that you quote the lawsuit, I am pretty sure you are just another troll. Another comment giving Roger importance only means that you are just intentionally ignorant.

The lawsuit was from the estate of Ira Kleiman seeking part of the one million BTC that CSW wrongly claimed he has access to. There are records on the internet that the addresses this idiot has claimed as his own (in papers filed in court), have publically sent "signed" messages saying that he is a fraud. There are no BTC that this scum controls. The community has been challenging him to sign a message for years now but he keeps coming up with excuses and diversion tactics to keep people like you entertained who will believe anything due to your own greed.

There are a lot of like you in the crypto world. Those who hold these shitcoins and very intensely want it to be true because it'd mean that you'd all become millionaires. There are those thousands of retail idiots who kept buying the XRP tokens being printed in the billions and now hope that it becomes legit, because that'd mean they'd get rich.

There is no other reason for your beliefs except your greed.

If you did even a wee-bit of actual research, went into details of signed messages and looked at the way CSW resorts to outright lies (well even Vitalik called him a scammer), you'd realize that he is just a slick, scammy narcissist who enjoys all this attention. This narcissist can never be Satoshi. If you read even a word of the man himself on the forum, you'd instantly recognize the very down-to-earth and humble style that had zero hints of self-aggrandizement, which is something that faketoshi loves to do.

Just learn to read and make decisions for yourself. it is still not late to make actual money in crypto with honest dev work and getting onto new projects that launch everyday. Bitcoin is at the foundation of them all. If you want to earn crypto, then actually study and be sincere about the technology and stop batting for people who have repeatedly proven themselves to be scamsters. Think for yourself and stop fooling yourself. Sell that BSV shit if you hold any and utilize your time to find good projects and teams in this bear market.


Title: Re: First impressions on Craig Wright ( Satoshi Nakamoto ? )
Post by: Len Saldua on December 19, 2021, 05:58:44 PM
For the record I do not own any BSV, or BCH... and I have invested in Bitcoin. Whether Craig Wright is Satoshi Nakamoto or not makes no difference to me, I'm mostly invested into Altcoins like Terra, Solana, Matic, Helium, Ethereum and a few others. What I was saying is that based on what I've seen and heard on YouTube ( including testimonials from very credible people in reliable news channels, not "opinion" fanboy channels ) I found Craig Wright to be a likely candidate.

P.S. If his education and Phds are all fake, those BBC journalists were certainly fooled, as they referenced them many times...


Title: Re: First impressions on Craig Wright ( Satoshi Nakamoto ? )
Post by: dkbit98 on December 19, 2021, 07:08:30 PM
Without going into much detail, after watching several of the interviews on YouTube I have to admit he seems to be the real deal.
I won't go into much details but i have to admit that you seem to be one of his cult followers and believers, and you need to detox asap.
CSW is nothing like Satoshi Nakamoto, CSW is not a nerd but he is a big liar and ex-farmer who probably stole money from other.
Anyone can have patents and bunch of paper that proves nothing, and btw I know some killers and biggest frauds also finished universities and had Phds.
BSV is just a worthless shitcoin, and it will always be just that.


Title: Re: First impressions on Craig Wright ( Satoshi Nakamoto ? )
Post by: Stalker22 on December 19, 2021, 10:07:28 PM
What I was saying is that based on what I've seen and heard on YouTube ( including testimonials from very credible people in reliable news channels, not "opinion" fanboy channels ) I found Craig Wright to be a likely candidate.

As someone once said, "I'm open minded, but show me some real evidence!" If you base your evidence on YouTube videos and news headlines, it is no wonder you have ended up with the wrong conclusions.

P.S. If his education and Phds are all fake, those BBC journalists were certainly fooled, as they referenced them many times...

Who said his education and Ph.D. were fake? People have said that there is indications his doctorate is plagiarism, but that is not the same thing. I think you need to read more carefully.


Title: Re: First impressions on Craig Wright ( Satoshi Nakamoto ? )
Post by: Cling18 on December 19, 2021, 10:15:12 PM
The first time I've heard about Craig Wright, I started to feel suspicious about his actions. I already noticed that there's something wrong with his claims. He couldn't even provide proof and evidence that he's the real Satoshi which is necessary. As we all know, most of us always look for concrete evidence since there are already lots of people who are claiming to be Satoshi. Obvious lies have existed which is disappointing about Craig even his coin was suspicious for most people at that time.


Title: Re: First impressions on Craig Wright ( Satoshi Nakamoto ? )
Post by: mynonce on December 19, 2021, 11:11:45 PM
... they wanted to take away a big chunk of the early mined Bitcoins, which only Satoshi Nakamoto would have had access to ...
... I'm open minded, but show me some real evidence ! ...

... searched, found ...

https://cswarchive.info/csw-filed (https://cswarchive.info/csw-filed)
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Documents and Quotes Showing That Wright Claimed the "CSW Filed" List Was a List of Bitcoin Addresses He Owned
From that list:
Code:
Bitcoin address
1JaKriNjceGmggKYQkURmatQv6LXyvUiAB          mined 11/May/2009 09:37 PM UTC
1CpkvbaAhn81Vc4vbx1yr9jGuETvetutBj          mined 11/May/2009 10:00 PM UTC
...

... but also found signed messages (same message for several addresses) ...

Code:
Craig Steven Wright is a liar and a fraud. He doesn't have the keys used to sign this message.

The Lightning Network is a significant achievement. However, we need to continue work on improving on-chain capacity.

Unfortunately, the solution is not to just change a constant in the code or to allow powerful participants to force out others.

We are all Satoshi

Code:
Bitcoin address                             Signature
1JaKriNjceGmggKYQkURmatQv6LXyvUiAB          Gzyzrkz/iN5SKCDLZmHy6duoWk4cxMo8cDA8mGGI3m5sa/Nd7d5+PooVbLygMI0bTp7b+GDXXJ3ptZEe/x3/dho=
1CpkvbaAhn81Vc4vbx1yr9jGuETvetutBj          HD5PjDblrRPV3F/Y2ytk+TFzhYkBjX6DHapxpvh5BCtvUDs+nh99KnUx4OOOeOWLBRwhJYOeVEGHW0vN+xRBTCA=
...

You can check it here: https://www.verifybitcoinmessage.com (https://www.verifybitcoinmessage.com)

The signatures are valid.

- no comment - ... but you can.


Title: Re: First impressions on Craig Wright ( Satoshi Nakamoto ? )
Post by: odolvlobo on December 20, 2021, 01:01:37 AM
Here is some real evidence. Not rumors or gossip.

I'm open minded, but show me some real evidence !

While there is no direct evidence proving that CSW is not Satoshi, there are many instances of CSW lying, and fabricating, forging, and doctoring documents in order to support his fraud.

An example of a doctored post (https://i.imgur.com/hAbPhW3.png)

And are you even aware that Craig Wright just won a civil lawsuit against him regarding the creation of Bitcoin ? ( they wanted to take away a big chunk of the early mined Bitcoins, which only Satoshi Nakamoto would have had access to )

The civil lawsuit did not and was not intended to establish whether or not he is Satoshi. In fact, the lawsuit is the source of much of the evidence against him. The plaintiff wanted their share of the bitcoins that CSW claimed to mine (but never proved that he actually mined them). BTW, he was ordered to pay the plaintiff $100 million, so it is hard to claim that he won the lawsuit.

"First, the Court is not required to decide, and does not decide, whether Defendant Dr. Craig Wright is Satoshi Nakamoto,..." (https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.flsd.521536/gov.uscourts.flsd.521536.277.0.pdf)

Also, moving coins is not the only way to prove you have access to the private keys, there are other ways, and CW has already done this privately in front of a few selected individuals.

As you say, there are other ways to prove his claim, but has yet to use any of those methods. The simplest way would be to sign a message using a private key known to be owned by Satoshi. That has never been done. The "few selected individuals" now say that they were probably fooled by CSW.

Bamboozled: Gavin Andresen Says He Could Have Been Fooled by Craig Wright (https://news.bitcoin.com/bamboozled-gavin-andresen-says-he-could-have-been-fooled-by-craig-wright-bsv-supporters-speak-out/)


Title: Re: First impressions on Craig Wright ( Satoshi Nakamoto ? )
Post by: bitterguy28 on December 20, 2021, 05:42:08 AM
Wherever I go, opinions seem to be divided about whether Craig Wright is Satoshi Nakamoto or not.
It is not Divided , instead Only few listen to that Hoax and Majority of the people in crypto never even bother to Hear that beliefs .

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Out of curiosity, I decided to watch a few of the interviews and lectures CW has done over the years, and hear what he has to say. I have to admit some of the things he said struck me as shocking ( ie. BTC will never go to 100K, BTC is not a store of value, etc. ) but hey, I've got an open mind.
and this is what you gone to believe?

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Without going into much detail, after watching several of the interviews on YouTube I have to admit he seems to be the real deal.
If he is the real deal? then he must awarded you With Bitcoin from the Million in his hands , But first ask Him to open the wallet first.

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Or in other words, he is almost everything you'd expect Satoshi Nakamoto to be...
Wrong , he is just there to claim but none are truthful pointing to him as satoshi .


Title: Re: First impressions on Craig Wright ( Satoshi Nakamoto ? )
Post by: pooya87 on December 20, 2021, 06:19:58 AM
If his education and Phds are all fake, those BBC journalists were certainly fooled, as they referenced them many times...
Having phd doesn't mean the person can not be a scammer!
Besides if you have ever read any of those articles you can clearly see that none of them ever make any claims about this scammer being Satoshi. They are not in a place to make such a claim. They are just quoting him making the claim and they are all doing it to generate traffic.


Title: Re: First impressions on Craig Wright ( Satoshi Nakamoto ? )
Post by: davis196 on December 20, 2021, 06:42:40 AM
The BTC community being divided about Craig Wright being the real Satoshi Nakamoto?Don't make me laugh.
The BTC community is actually UNITED around the fact that Craig Wright is NOT the real Satoshi Nakamoto.
If he was the real Satoshi,he would have proven this by providing a clear evidence years ago,and all this discussion would have been finished by now.
All he does is just shitting over Bitcoin Core and praising his forked BSV altcoin,while doing on some lawsuits and trying to "prove" his ridiculous claims.
If he was the real creator of Bitcoin,he wouldn't shit over and talk BS about his own creation,wouldn't he?

By the way,why do you like him so much? ;D




Title: Re: First impressions on Craig Wright ( Satoshi Nakamoto ? )
Post by: Erdogan on December 20, 2021, 08:00:04 AM
You really think this man doesn't want fame? After all, everything he does involves confusion around him. In my opinion, this man is still undervalued and even narcissistic. What would all this fuss be for? After all, if he is Satoshi Nakamoto, it's very easy task, just make a transfer from one of the first addresses and it's over.


Title: Re: First impressions on Craig Wright ( Satoshi Nakamoto ? )
Post by: franky1 on December 20, 2021, 08:11:57 AM
The lawsuit had nothing to do with whether or not he was Satoshi, and he was ordered to pay $100 million to the Kleiman estate.

the lawsuit is about a company called W&K. set up in 2013. craig 'won' ownership of the company. has to 'pay' $100m to his own company for damages of taking patents out of the company.

this is just a 'paper' thing. where he as the company owner just needs to tell the judge a payment was made and final, and wont be disputed. the judge does not need to see a real bank transfer occur just that the receiver is happy.. the receiver being craig

The lawsuit was from the estate of Ira Kleiman seeking part of the one million BTC that CSW wrongly claimed he has access to. There are records on the internet that the addresses this idiot has claimed as his own (in papers filed in court), have publically sent "signed" messages saying that he is a fraud. There are no BTC that this scum controls.

the lawsuit had nothing to do with the BTC. the btc was not in contest/dispute. both sides agreed they both thought the company had the funds so it was not part of the debate or argument over ownership.
just the ownership of the company name was in dispute.

as for the signatures. to clarify to the topic creator that is wrongly pro-craig.
the signature craig showed in 2016 was not a freshly made signature from a unique message made in 2016, it was simply a copy and paste job of a pre-existing signature found in the blockchain in 2009. it proves nothing about craig nor anything about any 2016 proof session. anyone can copy existing transaction signatures.

however craig also had a list of thousands of public bitcoin addresses and pretended that having a list of public addresses meant it was proof of ownership of such. again anyone can list public addresses. its meaningless. craig could not sign new unique messages for these addresses. yet dozens of other people that do actually own the addresses did sign it to say that craig is a lying scammer.


Title: Re: First impressions on Craig Wright ( Satoshi Nakamoto ? )
Post by: Kakmakr on December 20, 2021, 09:15:39 AM
Dude... You cannot be more wrong on this.

Craig Wright has been hunting for the Satoshi Nakamoto title for many years now.. for Only 2 reasons.... Fame & Fortune. He wants intellectual rights to cash in on that and he wants to be famous, because he is literally a Attention Wh@re.

The guy could not sign ONE of the Bitcoin addresses that are linked to Satoshi Nakamto.... Not ONE! .... He tried to fool people into thinking that he actually signed an address ... but the tech savvy guys out there quickly debunked all his evidence.  ;D ;D ;D 


Title: Re: First impressions on Craig Wright ( Satoshi Nakamoto ? )
Post by: NeuroticFish on December 20, 2021, 09:34:23 AM
P.S. If his education and Phds are all fake, those BBC journalists were certainly fooled, as they referenced them many times...

Media doesn't care much what's real. They mostly cite what he said. Keep in mind that nowadays the news are written for 2 reasons:
1. To get people read the paper - so they have to impress, not necessarily tell the truth
2. Fill the spaces between ads

And since CSW is an attention whore, while he and many others (including Roger) want to "rewrite history" for their own benefit, it's clear that their version is more present everywhere.
But if you look deeper you'll find that CSW tried and failed to prove himself as Satoshi (has fooled the journalists, but not the people really understanding crypto and bitcoin), has along history of forgeries, got even his "evidences" ignored in the last lawsuit because they were found to be forgeries.

I am not even convinced about the validity of his actual PhD. I mean that his paper may be plagiarized (https://www.plagiarismtoday.com/2020/05/11/craig-wrights-doctoral-thesis-being-investigated-for-plagiarism/).


Update: I've got my proof. See here (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5377541.msg58770425#msg58770425), or even more direct, here (https://medium.com/@paintedfrog/craig-wright-plagiarized-significant-portions-of-his-phd-thesis-and-tried-to-hide-it-80cd8f01459). Thanks @o_e_l_e_o. It's indeed plagiarized.


Title: Re: First impressions on Craig Wright ( Satoshi Nakamoto ? )
Post by: o_e_l_e_o on December 20, 2021, 10:00:55 AM
-snip-
This should have been the final nail in the coffin for CSW, at least when it comes to any person who can actually think. CSW picks a bunch of old school addresses which haven't transacted in 10+ years, because he thinks they were owned by Satoshi and therefore "abandoned", and claims that they belong to him. The real owner of those addresses comes out with definitive proof that CSW does not own them and calls CSW a scammer. And yet CSW fanboys either ignore this or play Olympic level mental gymnastics to justify how someone else has possession of what they believe to be Satoshi's coins? Laughable.

I am not even convinced about the validity of his actual PhD. I mean that his paper may be plagiarized (https://www.plagiarismtoday.com/2020/05/11/craig-wrights-doctoral-thesis-being-investigated-for-plagiarism/).
Take a look at the Medium post I linked to above, which is the same one linked to in that article. It is blatant and barn door plagiarism. Not only has he copied entire paragraphs, but he has also copied entire equations and graphs. Even worse/funnier is that he has introduced multiple errors in to the various equations he plagiarized since he does not even understand what he is plagiarizing, resulting in incorrect equations and undefined terms. The whole thing is a joke.


Title: Re: First impressions on Craig Wright ( Satoshi Nakamoto ? )
Post by: NeuroticFish on December 20, 2021, 11:14:05 AM
Take a look at the Medium post I linked to above, which is the same one linked to in that article. It is blatant and barn door plagiarism. Not only has he copied entire paragraphs, but he has also copied entire equations and graphs. Even worse/funnier is that he has introduced multiple errors in to the various equations he plagiarized since he does not even understand what he is plagiarizing, resulting in incorrect equations and undefined terms. The whole thing is a joke.

First I've read about the plagiarism on Twitter, briefly. This time, for proving my point, I've just linked a web result on the topic. I didn't go into further details / links, but since you've pointed it out, I've read now that Medium post. And wow, it's bad. Indeed, it's plagiarism and a good example of copying without even understanding (I have a feeling that he may have even hired somebody to write this or that from the selected papers).


Title: Re: First impressions on Craig Wright ( Satoshi Nakamoto ? )
Post by: franky1 on December 20, 2021, 03:23:04 PM
Take a look at the Medium post I linked to above, which is the same one linked to in that article. It is blatant and barn door plagiarism. Not only has he copied entire paragraphs, but he has also copied entire equations and graphs. Even worse/funnier is that he has introduced multiple errors in to the various equations he plagiarized since he does not even understand what he is plagiarizing, resulting in incorrect equations and undefined terms. The whole thing is a joke.

First I've read about the plagiarism on Twitter, briefly. This time, for proving my point, I've just linked a web result on the topic. I didn't go into further details / links, but since you've pointed it out, I've read now that Medium post. And wow, it's bad. Indeed, it's plagiarism and a good example of copying without even understanding (I have a feeling that he may have even hired somebody to write this or that from the selected papers).

it doesnt appear as if CSW requested one of his employee to sit in CSW's office for 6 weeks to write it on his behalf, nor just be a note taker, nor anything that could be deemed 1% acceptable as original/fresh work.
but more so appears as if he just paid a Fiverr kid to copy/paste and then edit an existing paper in a couple hours.

usually you see this poor attempt at copying papers when you go to places like Fiverr and pay some kid a small fee for doing things. they dont really even try hard to re-write a paper. they just grab existing papers copy and paste them and do a "find.. replace" of a few words just to trick the standard plagiarism checking sites.


looking at how many degree's CSW has proclaimed to have achieved in just a couple years. he has not done this just once. but dozens of times. its humanly impossible for a single human being to attain so many degree's in such a short space of time.

even a physics scientist would have an impossible task trying to explain how it was possible without breaking the laws of physics


Title: Re: First impressions on Craig Wright ( Satoshi Nakamoto ? )
Post by: o_e_l_e_o on December 20, 2021, 03:38:25 PM
even a physics scientist would have an impossible task trying to explain how it was possible without breaking the laws of physics
CSW only sleeps for 4 hours a night and listens to audiobooks at quadruple speed during those 4 hours. Calvin says so, so it must be true:

He’s a polymath who sleeps four hours a night and [in his sleep] listens to text books at four times the speed.

Excuse me while my eyes roll out of my skull. ::)

No doubt CSW can also write a different paper with each hand simultaneously while on the toilet, which explains both how he can claim to have so many degree and also why his writing is the quality of toilet paper. :P

He is a fraud, plagiarizer, and identity thief.


Title: Re: First impressions on Craig Wright ( Satoshi Nakamoto ? )
Post by: AmoreJaz on December 20, 2021, 08:59:36 PM
Take a look at the Medium post I linked to above, which is the same one linked to in that article. It is blatant and barn door plagiarism. Not only has he copied entire paragraphs, but he has also copied entire equations and graphs. Even worse/funnier is that he has introduced multiple errors in to the various equations he plagiarized since he does not even understand what he is plagiarizing, resulting in incorrect equations and undefined terms. The whole thing is a joke.

First I've read about the plagiarism on Twitter, briefly. This time, for proving my point, I've just linked a web result on the topic. I didn't go into further details / links, but since you've pointed it out, I've read now that Medium post. And wow, it's bad. Indeed, it's plagiarism and a good example of copying without even understanding (I have a feeling that he may have even hired somebody to write this or that from the selected papers).

it doesnt appear as if CSW requested one of his employee to sit in CSW's office for 6 weeks to write it on his behalf, nor just be a note taker, nor anything that could be deemed 1% acceptable as original/fresh work.
but more so appears as if he just paid a Fivr kid to copy/paste and then edit an existing paper in a couple hours.

usually you see this poor attempt at copying papers when you go to places like Fivr and pay some kid a small fee for doing things. they dont really even try hard to re-write a paper. they just grab existing papers copy and paste them and do a "find.. replace" of a few words just to trick the standard plagiarism checking sites.


looking at how many degree's CSW has proclaimed to have achieved in just a couple years. he has not done this just once. but dozens of times. its humanly impossible for a single human being to attain so many degree's in such a short space of time.

even a physics scientist would have an impossible task trying to explain how it was possible without breaking the laws of physics

okay, let's say we will not question all those "questionable" degrees that he has or any other academic achievements he has. but one thing that we all been waiting for is the proof that he indeed own those bitcoin addresses deemed to be owned by Satoshi. because up until now, no news about the proofs. he said he will provide proofs if he wins. and what now? it is easy to provide proofs and you don't need to make a condition before you give one if you are the real deal. so nope, not buying the idea that he is the real satoshi, even if he is a decorated individual. we need tangible proofs, plain and simple. if he can't provide, then he is no satoshi


Title: Re: First impressions on Craig Wright ( Satoshi Nakamoto ? )
Post by: franky1 on December 20, 2021, 10:57:17 PM
okay, let's say we will not question all those "questionable" degrees that he has or any other academic achievements he has. but one thing that we all been waiting for is the proof that he indeed own those bitcoin addresses deemed to be owned by Satoshi.

HE DOES NOT OWN THEM

there is no waiting game
he simply grabbed a list of public addresses in 2013, which he found on the blockchain by looking at address of 2009 that had coins. and put the list of public addresses into a text file.

he then got dave to act as notary to say that craig must own these because he presented the text file of public addresses (without daves knowledge of the private key process)

that is all.
it has been proven that craig has no access to the private keys, because other people have been able to sign messages using their keys to say that craig does not own them because they own them instead.

so give up waiting or thinking he owns them. he does not.
craig was virtually bankrupt in 2013 when he started hotwire and W&K. and used the aussie tax rebates as a way to get out of debt.

so as of 2008-2012 craig had no value, no money, nothing to his name.

he did not even get into bitcoin until 2013. and even then he was pretending to be a miner yet when audited by the aussie tax office in 2014 he could not even show he had the 'super computers' he pretended to have as his R&D 'mining' businesses to have earned the aussie tax rebate.

so please. accept that other people have shown proof that other people own the coins and craig does not own them.. then move on from any lingering thought that craig 'could' show proof. accept he cant and move on


Title: Re: First impressions on Craig Wright ( Satoshi Nakamoto ? )
Post by: TelolettOm on December 20, 2021, 11:04:35 PM
As long as he cannot give very actual and also trusted evidence, I only consider and think that he is on his daydreaming and some people believe in his daydreaming  ;D ;D

Whenever we heard about CW statement about Satoshi, I am really going to laugh.
But maybe it is not important anymore for me. I personally preefer to think about others than thinking about the real Satoshi, moreover about CW


Title: Re: First impressions on Craig Wright ( Satoshi Nakamoto ? )
Post by: thecodebear on December 21, 2021, 01:47:57 AM
Craig Wright is a complete fraud. Most people understand this. He's an embarrassment to himself and to crypto in general.

Pretty much everything he does is the exact opposite of what you'd expect Satoshi to do: he's constantly promoting himself, constantly using gross legal maneuvers to try to attack people, patents all the blockchain stuff his company comes up with, made a crappy centralized altcoin that he controls. All these things are the exact opposite of who satoshi showed himself to be.

Then there's the forging/fraudulent documents in court and other nasty stuff. Wright is a pathological liar and a lowlife conman and proves that every time he opens his mouth about Bitcoin. He's the Trump of the crypto world.


Title: Re: First impressions on Craig Wright ( Satoshi Nakamoto ? )
Post by: Darker45 on December 21, 2021, 02:08:26 AM
OP, you're probably the kind of person who will easily fall to fraud.

By the way, are you putting your money where your mouth is? You do believe that Craig Wright is the real Satoshi Nakamoto, right? You do believe in the genius in him, right? You do trust him, right? How much BSV you bought, then?

Surely, this forum is a more or less credible place to consult for opinions on CSW's claim. Why don't you start a poll whether the people here believes or not that CSW is the real Satoshi? That would at least give you an idea whether your view on the matter is false or true.


Title: Re: First impressions on Craig Wright ( Satoshi Nakamoto ? )
Post by: mynonce on December 22, 2021, 11:50:48 PM
COPA@opencryptoorg (https://twitter.com/opencryptoorg/status/1473780962034999296) (twitter @jack retweeted 22/Dec/2021)

'COPA just won its first hearing against Craig: https://www.bailii.org/ew/cases/EWHC/Ch/2021/3440.html (https://www.bailii.org/ew/cases/EWHC/Ch/2021/3440.html)
Interesting read. Why did he try to get the court to block that evidence though?'


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Title: Re: First impressions on Craig Wright ( Satoshi Nakamoto ? )
Post by: Chrystora123 on December 23, 2021, 10:47:27 PM
there is nothing that he can prove that bitcoin is his creation, he only claims unilaterally with super high self-confidence so that others believe that he is a satoshi.  he has gone mad and also lost in court on copyright to bitcoin whitepaper..