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KYC TEAM asked for selfie holding the document and after I provided them with it, now I am told that no I cannot submit anything because I submitted fake documents earlier. Is this some joke? Why they asked for selfie if I WAS BANNED FROM DOING KYC?

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Interesting

They don't know the reason for the delay but expect me to know the reason and it's been 1 month and more already.

https://prnt.sc/26noicb

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'm playing at stake.com since 4 years and never had issues, well, because I was losing money.

Somehow I managed to win a huge amount and now the ODDS PROVIDER is doing some investigation related to the integrity of the matches.

Facts

- Submitted KYC (asked after winning big) pending/under review for more than 1 MONTH NOW
- I'm a platinum 6 player (which is achieved after wagering more than 10 million dollars)
- My monthly bonus was taken away but fine bonuses are at their will so I'm not complaning.
- The VIP host and everyone else I know said "sorry we cannot do anything". I don't know what's the use of having a VIP host if they cannot even help you with such things. A robot can give out reloads and bonuses if that's what they are meant to do.
- Support said, sorry we cannot help
- I am NOT allowed to withdraw BUT ALLOWED TO GAMBLE.

This is done so that I gamble away my funds while they delay the withdrawal needlessly. I would love to ask them "how is a player allowed to gamble normally but NOT allowed to withdraw the balance?"

After more than 1 month of waiting, I have no option but to create a scam accusation here.

Some proofs below

Them claiming they are investigating some integrity issues - https://prnt.sc/26mp7uf

NO ETA AT ALL - https://prnt.sc/26mp847

This means the odds provider can take years and stake will simply let the player suffer even if the odds provider doesn't have a reason or timeline

IF YOU PLAY AT STAKE .. YOU ARE AT RISK OF LOSING MONEY TO THE ODDS PROVIDER BECAUSE THE ODDS PROVIDER MAKES THE FINAL CALL AND STAKE IS BARELY A MEDIATOR EARNING COMMISSIONS BUT DOESN'T CARE ABOUT THE PLAYER IF ODDS PROVIDER DECIDES TO SCAM.

sorry, I am not much of a sports bettor so this might be a stupid question. are they(the odds provider) saying that the matches could have been rigged and are now investigating the matches? also, what is the process or how are they gonna investigate it?

They are refusing to tell me anything and even ignoring the emails now. I believe yes they are investigating the matches because they feel some games had issues .. not sure what it means but what baffles me is that they are allowing me to gamble (yes I can gamble right now) but won't let me withdraw.

First of all you need to calm down since stake reputation is pretty solid here so they will answer your issue properly. Its normal that a Casino will will investigate account if you win big since its very rare for a player to have that luck unless they are doing something to rigged the system.

Its a good thing that you post your concern so that stake can easily spot it and address the issue properly.

Steve Stunna will definitely answer on this thread.

Steve, I believe represents sportsbet.io and not stake. And to be honest, I am patient for the last 30 days but there has to be a day when I lose my patience and call them out, that is today.

It's rare for a player to win big unless they are rigging the system? Bro are you serious! :)

(someone making an account 5 days before a million dollar race with the username abcd and wagering millions is what I believe falls under rigging, but let's not bring it up)

LOL they also accuse you of multi accounting?

These clowns never have a better excuse.

Also, what games did you bet?

Yet another proof of their lie putting people's accounts into "withdraw only mode", but yet he is not allowed to withdraw.
Guess the other people that bet the other side of the maybe fixed games will never see a refund, yet another scam.

Can you post the bets that set off the red flags?

It's weird they said Anonymity is important to us considering you submitted KYC.

Can you post all communications with them, with any sensitive info blacked out?  I'll quote them, or someone else can, to embed the images.


It's not a lie.  I know several people who were KYCed because they thought they were from the United States.  All of their accounts were put into withdraw only mode until documents were approved.

The only complaint I know of where someone can't withdraw and isn't being investigated for somehow cheating is because he has less than the minimum to cash out.

It is weird this guy says he's allowed to gamble, maybe because his documents were approved I guess.

The day prior to my account being blocked, I made some 25 bets on different games ranging from sports to e-sports so I am not sure which game they are doubting and they aren't telling me. Please tell me how would I know?


The biggest problem has been that they aren't communicating at all. I message support and push them but they say integrity team will contact me and from the integrity team they have only sent me 2 replies  within 1 month period, both of which I have posted in OP


I would be curious to know why I was treated differently then and I can confirm you I can bet even now but NOT able to withdraw. I'll attach some proofs below.

Not able to withdraw - https://prnt.sc/26mu3p4

Able to bet - https://prnt.sc/26mu431 (made the bet as I was typing here .... UTC time 9:30 am, 1st Feb 2022)



The documents are still pending, I can confirm and since you won't trust me, added a screenshot again below

Pending KYC - https://prnt.sc/26mu4ur

Would be highly thankful and appreciate if you can somehow ask them to have a look.

If I understood correctly, you have lost $10 million through that online casino over the years, and now you need to make a public complaint that you are not allowed to withdraw $70 000? It’s perfectly normal for online casinos to behave like this when it comes to payouts (it’s simply their way of playing), but given the above it’s hard for me to imagine someone receiving millions of dollars from a person they didn’t check and now harassing them for miserable $70k  ???

Player in question here (hello btw, been a while!) has not literally lost $10 million, he has turned over a total of $10 million, which, depending on game(s), will still always require lots of money but nowhere near 10 million. :)

$70 k is definitely a big amount when it comes to withdrawals and unfortunately, we all know... casinos even when making shit tons of money, are never happy about such withdrawals. Still, I am curious to learn what Stake has to say on the matter. Most of the time (experience), there are two sides to almost each story. I will also hit up my contact person.

Can you post screenshot of your sportsbets? It's easy to identify if some of them could be suspicious.

Correct, wagering $10 million means I have made bets equating to a total of $10 million. Loss and profits are irreverent to be honest but I mentioned platinum 6 because I wanted to make sure readers know I am not an inactive nor a new player (registered in early 2018)

On a side note, great to see you Efi and I am glad we have that section at gosu now where players can submit big wins and stuff :)



What concerns me is that they pretend to give away millions of dollars even though there are legit concerns over players joining within the last few days with usernames like "aabbccdd" and wagering billions but when it comes to paying a player winning $50k they are blocking withdrawals and forcing me to gamble away the funds, which is a cheap tactic used by cloudbet and few others, looks like stake got inspired by them lol

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If you read the previous replies, I have clearly mentioned that I made 25-50 bets within the last day and all of them were big so I don't know if posting bets will help at all.

Here's the last page of bets I made after which all this happened - https://prnt.sc/26n192l

NOTE: I placed several of these bets on other sites like sportsbet etc and they NEVER had any issues paying out. And if someone doesn't know, they both have the same odds provider for sports.

[moderator's note: consecutive posts merged]

I have read all the replies. Don't worry.
That's why I asked for the screenshot.
It won't be that hard to check other bookies for odds at the same time you placed your bets.

Everything looks clean to me.

I hope they will resolve the problem.

They are trying to force me into gambling away the funds but to anyone here from stake " I WILL NOT GAMBLE AWAY THE FUNDS, PLEASE STOP WASTING TIME"

Smh... I just signed up here after reading this because the exact same thing happened to me today.
I was told to wait 3 business days without any explanation on why my withdrawals were suddenly disabled.  :'(

I deposited so much funds and lost them all but managed to win it back with my last funds from +30k down to 5k and then back up to 30k before my withdrawals were disabled.
So I am just waiting now for the support to get back to me to understand any of this because this is just brutal I literally took all my remaining funds which are now locked.

So I hope you will get soon some clarity on your case which would maybe also help with mine to understand what is going on because I also play for +2 years without any type of issue.  ???

Create a scam accusation thread please because while I appreciate you stating the problem here, it won't help your case

I was just waiting for the support to reply since I do not know any details regarding my case at this point. So I literally have no clue on why this happened in first place after 2 years of playing with 0 problems. So will definitely upload a case if it won't get solved over the next few days, good luck on your case.

Maybe I consider opening a joint lawsuit if it turns out that Stake actually started scamming users for their winnings since I read more and more reports while I never had a single problem in these 2 years. So I will check on this case and also create my case in case things don't get sorted out by the end of this week and connect with all the people for such potential joint lawsuit in case nothing gets fixed by Stake.

This is something which often happens when a company gets bigger so they start abusing their power in such negative way to squeeze every single dime from users for better profit margins.

That's how a lot of people get scammed. I know stake has a good reputation but they can do the scam too. As I can see from their email, Not only the providers checking your bets But also have accused you to have multiple accounts. So, I guess you got fucked up dude. Even their Provider finishes the investigation and says nothing is wrong, Still stake can be refused to pay you for having multiple accounts. I don't know if you have multiple accounts. Do you?

Another point is, Most of the casino takes about 72 hours to check the KYC. So why do they need a month to check a KYC?
I guess they will say we have a lot of KYC every day. Well, You have earned a lot every day. So you should hire more employees to speed up the process. @Stunna Could you please explain?

A moderator even deleted my message , not sure why they would do it? https://prnt.sc/26n3tej

I just made a valid point that if they are blocking winning players are they also refunding the losing players as well, did I went off topic or anything?

you might as well post on their ANN thread (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2072589.0) regarding your case. though there is no guarantee stunna might be able to shed some light on your issue. and hopefully, speed up the process of whatever issue they think you have.

that's frustrating

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More than frustrating it's illegal I think to allow a player to gamble while blocking their withdrawals. It's simply leading/forcing the player to lose his money through gambling. If a player has breached any terms they must NOT be abe to gamble and/or withdraw but allowing gambling means they do believe the funds belong to me because I can only gamble with my "own" money right?

So they are also coming after you with this "multi-accounting issue". It's so fucking funny when their biggest streamers talk AND SHOW it live on twitch how they play with different accounts for different "seeds", lol.

I don't trust this site again and for any one better not creating this site for make your money safety, I loss 3k Doge coin after winning from sport betting and when try to withdraw not allowed, I have ask on support online chat always give bad reason with cheat bonus, they not see my fund history after winning from sport betting and claimed from bonus, exactly how come 3k Doge coin can claimed from bonus?

They even allow VPN but don't believe two people might be using the same VPN and hence have the same IP address. And oh, all these problems show up once you win, when you are losing you can have 100 accounts :)

I can legit show them players with more than 1 account and they will just ignore it

I see these threads from time to time and just have to wonder - do gambling sites in general just do selective scamming when they know they know they can get away with it using [insert TOS reason here] or whatever? Pretty sad, glad I don't gamble or sell my sig for gambling site (spam) posts.. ::)

Sounds super frustrating, good luck op


jesus, that's fucked. ???

The license provider offers them complete control and audacity to even scam anyone and nothing would happen.

On the talk of gambling signatures, I would be more than willing to rent your signature if you can help spread awareness about the stake scam. I can pay decently too not that you need but just in case.

I have no idea whether or not Stake is in the right or wrong for Baskin198's case, but I think intent matters a lot for multiaccounting. I think Stake's anti-multiaccounting policy is to prevent people from farming chat rain, getting multiple VIP bonuses and entering multiple times in promotions. Most sportsbooks also really don't like players that try to multiaccount to bypass betting limits. For most streamers, none of these reasons really apply. I haven't been active on Stake for a while, but a few years ago it was pretty common to see players use "bank" accounts to save their winnings. I don't think anyone ever got banned for it as long as they didn't also use it for other things.

I totally get your point but biggest difference is , streamers play slots.

If OP used multi accounts to circumvent sports limits then thats definitely a concern

It is up to a particular website, I think, and moreover, you can look through their T&Cs to find out. However, this is shady a bit, to be honest, to allow you to play while blocking the withdrawals. This looks like they invite you to play hoping you lose everything before the investigation is done. Shady behavior, at least.

After trolling me for 1 month now they are saying this - https://prnt.sc/26noa86

Obviously, the data I entered is correct, I don't understand what they need?

On further asking to support, I have got a legendary reply - https://prnt.sc/26noawv

"Hey there.
You will no longer be able to send any of your documents and your account will remain restricted."

Hahahahha I’m not shocked at all.

Stake and odds provider been scamming people for a LONG time now.

OP- you should post this everywhere. Twitter, stake forum, Reddit and every other gambling forum on the net.

Our odds provider is investigating what they believe are fixed matches on which this user placed bets and won on and we are still waiting on them to update us on the outcome of this.  

We are aware that it is a long process but there is nothing that we can do to speed it up. Due to the highly suspicious games, his account was restricted pending completion of a compliance review and the prior mentioned investigation.

In the meantime he was asked to provide further KYC, which is a standard procedure in situations like this. He has sent documents of at least 4 different people in his attempts to get verified. This has now been escalated to our integrity team to review and made this situation an even more challenging one to find a way forward.




Yes exactly this. We have a reputation built up over many years of paying every legitimate player out, I'm not going to sit here and let a bunch of a brand new shill accounts speculate that we would ever restrict someone's account for a mundane reason.

Yeah but if he lost, the matches wouldn’t be “fixed”
Right scamming stunna? You guys are scumbags man. All of you will rot in hell together one day.

@Stunna So this guy will not be able to submit the documents anymore. Right? And what is the final decision? Suppose your Provider says there is nothing wrong with his bets. What you guys are going to do then? I guess you guys will not pay him because he doesn't have any chance to verify his account anymore. Without verifying, he cannot make withdrawal requests. So, I guess we got the final answer. His funds will be confiscated if I am not wrong. Right?

Another question: Do you request users to read the TOS/TAC of the odds provider? Do they have the right to take such a long time? How do they suspect the match was fixed? Based on win and loss amount?

I have answered your support multiple times that I submitted different documents because they demanded the documents be in English while they were in my local language. Your support denied to cooperate and hence I had to submit KYC from my family members as you can see evident from the documents too.

If even I failed to complete KYC as you claim, even though I am ready to even do selfie etc, you should put my account in withdraw only mode.

Can you explain how I am allowed to gamble but NOT allowed to withdraw?

Which games are the odds provide investigating and how long it will take? an year or more? or until I lose my funds to gambling?

If their winnings are from a string of fixed matches it is likely that their account will be permanently banned. But I cannot speculate on this until the investigation is concluded. And in this situation the user is cleared they would still need to pass our compliance team's review the fact multiple ID's were sent makes this even more complicated but how to move forward will be at their discretion.

So you WON'T pay in both cases, right?

Please answer the above question, if they deem I am not a legit player how and why I am allowed to gamble?

Secondly, if a player fails to do KYC, their money is now stake's right?

That's not what I said. Right now your fate is primarily in the hands of our odds provider, spamming this forum is not going to make any difference. We have a legal obligation not to pay out individuals involved in match fixing. The other issues can potentially be rectified if you gave us full cooperation.

I waited for 1 month and even send you a DM and waited 1 week for an answer. How long did you expect me to wait before creating the thread?

Look man, I am gambling at stake not at the odds provider's site so obviously, I am going to question you, makes sense? Also if you are just letting the player suffer while odds provider is the king, you better mention it somewhere that odds provider can fuck any player anytime they wish and STAKE IS NOT RESPONSIBLE nor going to help

Regarding cooperation, I have said many times that I am ready to provide whatever is needed. I was patiently waiting but at some point it starts to feel like "being polite was being taken as naive"

Dang. I have a question. I don't watch matches and I am not a big fan of sports bet. I do like Dice games and I always enjoy playing dice games. But, Sometimes I watch a few special matches, for example, Barcelona VS PSG. Suppose I made a bet and I don't know if the match was fixed. What will happen if the match was fixed and I win? I am going to be banned because I won the prize from fixed matches? If this is the situation and this is the rules of your casino, Fuck off dude. I am an average Joe who doesn't even know what happened behind the matches and you guys will ban my account permanently just because I won from the fixed matches.

The string of matches you won big on are under investigation, and I don't have any update at this time or timeline for when they will update us. That's really all I have to say about this right now. I will update you when I have one. Not an ideal situation for either of us, but obviously we cannot let you withdraw at this moment.



Good question, probably not. If you were making a ton of bets on Uzbekistani Volleyball on multiple accounts and winning at a very high rate on players or events that are later found to be compromised then you would be reviewed. These situations are not common and we and our odds providers have teams of experts to monitor risk and do our best to prevent false-positives

Baskin- don’t trust anything stunna says. Stakes odds provider “betradar” has been scamming people for months now. Trust me, if your matches would have lost, they wouldn’t have been “fixed”. The reality is, stake is run by two scammers. Edward craven and Mladen the Serbian scammer.

If I were you, I would contact stakes licensing body and file a report with them and also contact a lawyer. If a match is “fixed” odds provider shouldn’t have posted odds. Stake is scum.

Trust me, I had a friend who got scammed for 85k because they said “nba matches were fixed” lol

I would like to request you to prove your claims. Are you Baskin's alt by any chance? We are in this thread doesn't mean that we taking any side to support. I would like to support the right side. We asked questions to both parties to be clear about the situation. Death thread is not allowed. So if you have any proof that stake Scammed your friend. Please ask him to create an accusation so everybody can be aware of them. If the thread is already created, I would like to check it out and get more experience about stake. We the forum members cannot do anything to help Victims but we can give appropriate feedback.  

And I actually have lot of respect for Stunna and stake to be fair. But really feels bad to have my funds locked for a month now and nothing concrete yet.

IT'S WORTH MENTIONING IN PAST WHEN I WON A BET ON A GAME THAT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE VOID, I DEPOSITED BACK THE MONEY AND PAID BACK STAKE, GIVEN ALL THAT IT'S A SHAME STUNNA YOU ARE SEIZING MY FUNDS


I could have run away that moment since I had withdrawn them!

Worth noting that CoinsRUs123 is alleged alt (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5383684.msg59126199#msg59126199) of LetsGetIt834 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=3269456) who has a history of creating accusations against stake, then deleting them, then creating them again, and then deleting them, in obvious attempt to shake down Stake.

Stunna, if you reward these guys for the smear threads, even a little bit, especially when they're obviously lying about the situation, plan on dealing with many more threads like this in the future.

I'm not sure about them but I have put my case as clear as I could and I agree that for anyone who has complaints with stake "please create a separate thread with proofs". In fact, once my case is sorted and whenever that happens, I will close this thread and update my review on various other platforms. I have no personal issues with stake, just need to withdraw my balance which even Stunna has confirmed now that is being held.

In past I have done more than 10 articles all positive about stake so it must be clear that I have NO personal problems here neither I intend to extort money out of them. $70k is not something I can shrug off either and let it be.

Is this true:


Is this you:

Don’t assume things. I am not an ALT of anyone. I speak the truth and only the truth. No clue who this let’s get it dude is and really don’t care.

Stake been scamming people for months now and that’s a proven fact! Prime example in this thread. Dude wins 70k and his account is blocked for allegedly betting on “fixed” matches. I’m sure those matches would have been considered “fixed” if he lost huh?

OP- I really hope you did slam these cocksuckers for a lot of money with your fixed matches mate. They deserve it.

I can confirm with 100% certainty that he is.

They don't but I agree with all those guys saying that if they block the withdrawals, they should also block other features until the process is done, don't you think so? I'm far from believing they scam people but this smells like a pile of sh*t. He may lose all, but what if he wins again? Even if we assume that the allegations against him have a basis. Why do they allow him to bet again? How will they do their calculations if he wins? That is what makes this situation even worse. He may lose and this is the best solution for stake now. However, if he wins, there will be new allegations or what? If they start the investigation process, they should notify him what portion of money is blocked. If he wins again, they may say that the win is abolished as he played with blocked money during the investigation, etc. They dig themselves deeper and deeper

You are saying those Esports matches were fixed?

No, that's not me.

Regarding the 4 different documents: They required documents in English and refused to cooperate at all, which is why I had to submit documents of my family members. I have already told them but not sure why they are playing around the wrong point.

I have provided them with everything they have asked for, I just don't understand why they cannot put the acount in "withdraw only" mode as Edward claimed on his stream. He clearly said, they are not blocking any accounts but at worst put them on withdraw only mode.

If they believe I shouldn't be a player how I am allowed to gamble even now? but just not allowed to withdraw.




Let's see how long the investigation takes.

They got me with their scheme. I am the prime example. I had 34k EUR on my account after being 2 years in a row in minus for a total of over +200k (they never once froze my account as long I was giving them more and more profits, the second I made a decent profit of 34k EUR they froze it right away).

Nobody wrote me for +3 days while they said it shouldn't take long until they respond. Got me to get mad continue playing and manage to get it all back to 0. Once I hit 0 they suddenly replied to me.
Fact here is I wanted to withdraw when I won and stop playing but because they knew my account history that I was always in minus up to that point they played this scheme with me.

Maybe some won't understand this and just say "your own fault" you should just not have played but that's making it way too easy for Stake because when they freeze an account for whatever reason it should NEVER EVER be possible to continue playing, depositing, and basically doing everything possible without being able to withdraw.

The reason why Online Casinos and Stake do this because if you were to win more they could always decide to not pay out while when you lose it all back they got what they wanted.
Some of you might be able to relate to this but once funds are out it's much harder to deposit them back just psychologically and that's why they do this.

I asked Stake to refund me for this lost balance from the moment I was not able to withdraw and if they decide to not do that for making it themselves easy to say "it's your own fault",
I will directly open a case over the official license operator of Curacao (complaints@gaminglicences.com) and other places.

Simply because this type of behavior is just unacceptable and if these places get away with it, the exact same thing will happen to future players.

Interesting. Did they explain to you why your account was frozen? Did they ask you for KYC documents? Have you verified your account? Tell us more about the issue. And how it was ended? I guess Not only stake, But every casino will say that it's your fault because you didn't wait and you gambled. If you lose your fund by gambling, yes, It's your responsibility. But, I believe, If you were not able to withdraw, Your account should be restricted to make another bet until you are able to make a withdrawal request. This is the serious thing that Stake should have to think about. You should know that anything can happen in Gambling. You can win Huge or you can lose everything even you have a high bank roll. Depends on your gamble Strategy. So, You should not blame the casino if you lose.

I would have said it's FULLY my fault IF and only IF my account was FULLY frozen including "no bet's" status but to allow me everything but only disable withdrawals is just a scheme Casinos use to exploit losing players because they know if a player with my stat's has long enough most likely the funds will be lost back and if not they can still decide to not pay me so it's basically 100% in their favor and this should not be accepted by any community because these Casino's make already enough. I am a super high level member so to be treated that way is one thing but to play then such psychologically games is just another thing. Anyways I will open my own thread about this to not take away anything from this thread but I fully agree with the user affected on this thread saying "why on earth would stake let him play IF they have all these doubts?" it's simply because IF he wins they will never pay him IF he losses it all they get what they want just like with me.

I'm not sure what their agenda is, perhaps this is a group of match fixers who try and post to smear to encourage better outcomes. Ultimately the team will decide these outcomes not myself so spamming these forums is not going to help.




Good catch here!


Does everyone in your family have different last names?

I am not inclined to post my personal details here and can you answer me "why withdrawal only mode is not enabled?" and "why I am allowed to gamble if you believe I have done anything illegal?"

From what I know if a player fails to complete the KYC they are put on the "withdrawal only mode" so I don't know why I am being treated differently here? Because the amount is $70k, right?

I am not having any other account apart from this and I don't mind if mods want to confirm that, I don't know the other 2 guys so please don't mix my case with them. I can accuse you are running the accounts just to sway away from the real case but obviously, that's not you.

I'll wait until the investigation is done and I have done nothing but stated facts that you are calling out as spam. I have lost COUNTLESS bets in the 4 years I ahve played at stake, how come they were never checked for legitimacy but as soon as I win it's being investigated?

Also I am not just a random spammer, I have written articles FOR STAKE (POSITIVE) in past, ask efialtis (BTCGOSU OWNER) if you don't believe me

I REPEAT, ONCE I HAVE MY FUNDS WITHDRAWN, I WILL CLOSE THE THREAD AND UPDATE ALL THE RATINGS LEFT ANYWHERE

I am allowed to deposit and gamble but NOT withdraw, please explain?

Mate- they aren’t going to pay you. Trust on that. Count it as a loss.

Not sure what happened with your case and sorry if you were not paid, but as a player for 4 years almost, I never had issues in past so I hope they will pay out. I request you or anyone who have complaints to please avoid posting as that isn't helping my case and only making it more complicated.

Please, keep the community updated with your case cause stake is considered to be a reputable website. I think it is important to know how this story ends.

Just to clarify, there is no update from stake via email I sent more than 15 days ago

I was asked to send a selfie holding my document (for KYC which is normal) and I have done that. Let's see what happens next.

Update

They asked for a selfie and after I have provided them with it, they are now saying that my account CANNOT be verified because earlier I send fake documents. I don't understand why they asked for selfie if I was banned from submitting KYC in first place as mentioned by the support??

The integrity team has not replied for 20 days and the support is NOT ABLE TO DO ANYTHING

https://i.imgur.com/k4kr54S.png

Just a guess, but it might have something to do with you sending in documents from 4 different people while trying to verify your own - I could see how that would make things unnecessarily complicated and result in some sort of miscommunication.

It's a pity. They are considered to be a reliable and trustworthy website. This shady behavior is not the best way to treat clients.

Not sure but if you decide a player won't be verified then better not to ask him for selfie. Anyways I hope withdrawal only mode will be enabled once the integrity team is done with their stuff, been a month now so hopefully happens soon

Well, It's a bit off-topic and makes no sense to quote you. But, After you post here I remember about Sportsbet's and they are one of the biggest Platforms. If the Stake cannot maintain its reputation. How do other casinos maintain their reputation? Take SportsBet for example. They are in the market for a long time now. How the hell they don't have Scam accusations and Stake has more than 3 new accusations every month? This is what Stake have to think about.

@Stunna, A Question based on your last answer. If you guys suspect something bad like a fixed match in some specific tournament, Why don't you guys remove the tournament from your side? Another Question is, Suppose someone losses a lot amount on fixed matches, What do you guys do then? Do you return the lost amount to the users? Or do you guys keep them?

I think you have raised the right question in right place. But this is not only about stake. 1xbit does the same as well as other companies. There are some aspects like what if that you have raised here that you can't know in advance. However, and unfortunately, this shady behaviour is standard and we can't do anything with that.

I would like to learn more about this story. I know that stake is a trustworthy company, but several days have passed on no news from you. Is your case solved or not?

No update as yet, I don't know what to do really apart from waiting for stake. It's over a month now and the odds provider has not even provided an update so far. I don't know what kind of investigation they are doing or how much progress they have made.

Stake/stunna please at least provide an update?

I'm gambling at stake not at the odds provider website so you should be able to answer me. You cannot just leave me hanging in the middle by saying we cannot do anything, sorry.

I don't know the odds provider, I gambled and deposited at stake so from my perspective YOU ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR HANDLING MY FUNDS and providing me a resolution

The stake integrity team is not even replying to my host. What kind of team is this that hasn't replied to me since 20 days and are not even replying to the host assigned by them

This is pretty much disgusting from Stake and their provider whomever that is. Allowing this case to drag on for as long as it has, with no resolution in sight either way and no clear timeline when it will be resolved is unbecoming. The OP shouldn't have to resort to posting in public forums begging for an update.

I saw your request (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5153445.msg59311694#msg59311694) to support your type 2 Flag against Stunna (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;flag=2912). I have not supported it.

How long does this usually take? Can it take months or even years if there's a legal procedure involved? Or will you assume no foul play happened if no evidence can be produced within a reasonable amount of time?

So you admit to identity fraud. That being said, I'm not sure what the (legal) implications of this will be. I don't really see how your identity matters as long as you're not involved in match fixing. My assumption is that KYC is meant to know who to report to authorities in case there is evidence of (illegal) match fixing.

That means the Flag (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;flag=2912) is slightly inaccurate:

@ Stunna

Why is the player not refunded his bet amount and then can wait for the possible winnings (if they are clean) .

Confiscating his winnings as well as the stake is stealing in my eyes. I mean the bets are won, there is no way he can lose the money he bet.

Also, why is all his other money blocked from withdrawing? The money/winnings in question have not been paid anyway.

@OP: I saw hoe Eddie pretty much ignored you on the stream, what a sad clown.

While I am having to greatly redact what I can share due to an ongoing investigation and not wanting to reveal our internal integrity measures. I will provide some insight into this situation. It is of our firm belief that user is engaged in match fixing and these concerns were echoed by our odds provider who independently warned us of your activity. On this thread you are witnessing some members of this match fixing ring all desperate to get their cut of this money.

OP found some information regarding fixed table tennis matches as he started taking maximum amount of profit from bets there where he never wagered before like that. His own XRP address had a transaction sent to a prior caught match fixer which looks like a payout for the information he got via him.

This link to the above match-fixing ring, in hindsight, likely gave the customer access to funds that subsequently increased staking - 75% of the accounts turnover occurred between Nov 2021 and 12th Jan after being operative since Nov 2019.

The customers Table Tennis activity on 8th Jan was flagged by our  team after the user suspiciously bet on a very precise result as the match went Live. Within 22s the user bet on the match to finish 3-0 for €6.5k at 2.0; 50s later €5.7k at 2.6 on there being exactly 3 games in the match; 26s later, another €700 on Correct Score 3-0 at 2.2; and then 2x more for €1.5k total on exactly 3 games 3mins later; total loss from user on this match was -€17.5k

This most recent example was backing against a player which user then proceeded to back against on two more occasions on the 10th and then 11th of January - another sign of match-fixing with a syndicate in contact with, or ‘having their hooks into’, a player.

During January on Table Tennis the customer had 32 bets, all on a specific Table tennis competition, winning 29 of them at avg odds of 2.23. We laid €266k of Table Tennis bets in this time - an avg of €8.3k per bet Vs an avg. of €423 (1,965% increase) per bet since the accounts 1st bet in Nov 2019. The 3 bets which lost saw us make €5.4k profit, but in total during the month of January on Table Tennis we lost -€229.4k to the user — highly suspicious activity. The players in question are being investigated by the organizers of the table tennis tournament.

This situation was made even worse by OP trying to pass a variety of suspected fake identification documents as his own, all of which were rejected by our integrity team. This resulted in a block of your account. You sent us 4 different ID's all of them with different names, different numbers, and even different nationalities and places of birth.

All the above mentioned facts in conjunction with the ongoing investigation that confirmed your links to a well known match-fixer, support our decision of blocking your account and we will be pursuing the return of any funds.

Well, I can confirm I am NOT involved in any match-fixing and not sure about what you have said above.

There are various tipsters I follow for esports and sports because they have a high win % on their picks but that doesn't mean they are match fixers. I would like to see the result of players being investigated as you mentioned and if it turns out what you said is true, which I am sure is not, I'll accept the decision of closing my account and lock this thread.

Since you have replied even though not the expected reply, I have now closed/withdrawn the flag as well. I respect and wish to support any investigation but that doesn't mean silence for a month. If you have been replying via emails and/or support I wouldn't have created this thread in first place

Sometimes all you need to do to find your answer is right in front of you...  When things like this happen, do you think KYC is for fun?  Do you not think Stake has some liability if they allow someone to claim a prize using someone else's documents or information?  Don't you think the information provided before the win should match the information provided after the win?  You can't at all for yourself see the problem that it would present if they just allowed anyone to submit any fake documents they want and then decide to submit real documents after they win?  Don't you know that if you're losing and you use your real documents, you can write those off as losses?  Why provide the correct documentation after a win and fake documents before?  It's absolutely backwards thinking.  I think maybe you should take some responsibility here and perhaps then you'd be able to negotiate some sort of settlement or something.

To make things clear...

What kind of responsibility, I am open to negotiating with stake if they wish to do so. I am more than happy to provide all the details they need as well which might help them as well but constantly calling me a match fixer without any proof of the players or the games being fixed is childish at best.

I was even allowed to gamble for 20 days until I questioned them why I am allowed to gamble if I have done something wrong? Would you accept bets from an illegal/illegible player?

@stunna I am locking the thread until the investigation is complete to avoid being off-topic. Once the investigation is complete, I expect a DM/email from you and then if we can't find a common ground, I'll re-open the thread.

I have unlocked the thread as I have a question for stake

Since you believe some games were fixed, have you refunded any players who lost money on those games?

And please post the result of the player investigation. Its been 40 days lets see how long it takes if any investigation is actually going on

Probably investigation about your case is over.
after you have submitted false documents (and not just once, but several times), do you really expect someone to be fair to you?
I think all you have to do is count the days that have passed since you almost fooled them. the worst thing they could do now pays you your winnings

Fake documents or not they cant keep the OPs money. If he is responsible for some fraud on his wins they have to show evidence. Only that money could be seized. They cant keep the money under the excuse of a endless investigation.

Don't know if you are able to read or just rushed through the comment but the investigation is NOT OVER. If the investigation is over as you said, then they must tell me which game they found was fixed and provide the proofs/report along with it.

I don't know why some are blindly taking sides but freezing the account just because I won 29/32 is terrible.

I was allowed to gamble all this while, if they deemed I shouldn't be able to withraw then what was the logic on allowing me to gamble?

A few questions to stake and @stunna please answer them straightforward


1- Please name the matches that you claim are fixed and provide enough evidence
2- Why I was not allowed to withdraw but allowed to gamble?
3- 5 days back my account was put to withdraw only mode, even then I was not able to withraw. When I asked support they simply removed the withdraw only mode silently.
4- If a player is winning 50 bets straight, does that give you the ability to call them match fixer? If yes please mention that in your terms & conditions

Mind you while I was winning bets on TT, I was also placing 20+ bets on other games like LOL, DOTA2, etc .. the same amounts if NOT MORE that I placed on table tennis. If I was doing match-fixing, why would I gamble on other events that big?

5- Are you going to refund the players who lost money to a fixed match? If not then how do you justify taking away funds from the winners? You win in both situations!
6- IMPORTANT - If you said I submitted fake documents then that should put me into ineligible category and you should not allow a player ineligible to place bets, how do you explain that?

hey stunna/stake/odds provider etc,

For my argument I am going to take your comment as 100% truth.

can u answer why stake still has russian TT games available to bet on ?
If u are that worried and sure about matches being fixed , why not stop offering these markets weeks ago?

are u not free rolling users then ? U can always decline to payout citing fixed games but did ANYONE get a refund on those games who payouts u withheld ?

obviously stake is doing very  well right now, YET u are still offering the dodgy games that you yourself say have match fixers.

IMO this just shows the greed and immorality of stake.com management.

yes, I saw that the investigation was still ongoing. I also saw that the investigation went to a higher instance.
it can certainly be interesting if it turns out that there was some kind of rigging of the results it is good for you if you have submitted false documents, you will avoid responsibility with complicity.

1. According to Stunna, atleast from my understanding, it wasn't the amount won or how many times you won, but the dead accuracy of your match bets, and the fact thats the funds from your XRP wallet was linked to other match fixers.

2. Im guessing this is due to their legal obligation to need KYC before payout, but not to gamble.

3. Must have been a mistake on the staffs part which they fixed but you still complain about

4. I have a feeling you didn't read the probably 30 or so pages of Terms of Service that you agreed to when you signed up for this casino.

I'll wait for Stunna to reply because your answers neither matter nor make sense. No TOS would have a rule like winning 29 bets from 32 is not allowed lmao

Read my above post a few times over, its not the fact that you won 29/32, its the fact that they were dead accurate bets with low probability.

IMPORTANT

I just recall something which is worth sharing.

In 2020, I was asked for KYC and I submitted documents that were declined but I was able to place bets and withdraw funds, because I was losing. I am wondering if declined KYC documents is such a huge problem for them, why was I allowed to gamble/withdraw that time?

Another thing, few months ago some of my bets were settled as win and I cashed out the funds. Then hours later I was told that the bets were settled by mistake and must be voided and that I need to return the funds or my account is locked. I deposited and returned them the funds back then, if I was involved in something wrong, would I ever deposit back and pay them? Instead of just creating a new account.

I have got proofs for both the events so please don't come up with stories this time.

Please show us the "proof" you have of these events.

I can't post proofs anytime a stranger asks me mate, once Stunna or anyone reputed wants me to show them, I'll gladly share.

Stunna won't ask though because he already knows it.

What's the point of publicly claiming you have proof when you won't publicly share it?

Because in case stake denies my claims, I can then post proofs.

It seems that you might not be getting your match-fixed money, check your trust.

Chapter 4: Cover Tactics

To draw away heat, advantage players cannot bet perfectly but must disguise their betting behavior by sacrificing some value. In the example of sportsbetting, the team placed their fixed match bets alongside other smokescreen bets on the latest big matches. They hedged their bets perfectly across the team and were undetectable. There were many other techniques, of course, and they had to alternate between them to maintain caution. :)

Bitch Stunna wrote this days ago. He is a pathetic liar anyway, perfect guy to represent a scam site like stake.

Yep- stunna is a piece of trash just like Eddie. Hopefully one day these guys get what they deserve. Scamming pieces of shit. Eddie living the good life right now but all good things come to an end.

Is there an update from the investigation Stunna? If you don't have an update or the players are found not guilty of match-fixing, then please release my funds. You have no reason to lock my funds for 6 months if the players are not involved in what you claim to be fixed games.

Are you part of the stake team? If not then please let stake speak because I have NOT hedged any bets as you claim. I would like to see some proofs of what you are claiming here and if you don't have proofs I guess you were just paid by stake to help them.

It's one example of what could be done.

I'm certainly no nuclear physicist, and it doesn't take anyone smart to come up with much more advanced strategies. Though, what I can offer is that I've seen many of these cases across the same topic of the sportsbook provider having taken action, across multiple casinos.

If someone is betting a large amount on fixed matches, their other bets can be easily excluded through a number of ways. Even generally, your statistical expectation is only that of the house edge. Considering any odds, if you're set to win 1:1 then you'd have 20+ bets at the same value betting with the sportsbook edge. Anything better than those odds only raise the margin you have, adding flexibility.

I wouldn't mind it if Stake paid me, but the truth is always free. :)

I have not hedged any bets man, I can show my bet history page and if you are saying I hedged from another account then please ask stake to show those bets I placed from other account to hedge the ones I placed. I don't know why you are confusing things. I am asking a simple question, is the investgation complete? The players are not guilty then please explan why you are holding my funds.

I am placing some 100k xrp bets in a day and considering the house edge is around 15% normally for sports, I would be losing 15k xrp for hedging as per your claim, why would I do that?

Stunna has the time to give merits on your posts but doesn't have the time to answer simple and straightforward questions? I will pay you $100 if you need man but at least be neutral and have some common sense, please?

Last page of bets

https://prnt.sc/m8udmeXV5yOT

I am winning 16 bets from some 20 bets and all on different events, does that mean I have fixed all the e-sports leagues around the world and table tennis and evetyhing?

If you are incapable of hypothetical thinking, state so clearly.

As the bets need to go through the sports provider and the casinos only manage wagers, while an investigation is pending and has the possibility of fixed betting, why would they release the funds?

Maybe for certain markets or parlays, but as far as I know the edge is nowhere close to 15%.

1- Why would they release funds? because there should be a limit of as of how long they can hold the funds, they cannot hold it for years, right? Secondly, they can void any bets they have proofs are fixed but how come they freeze the entire balance?

2- The house edge on sports is higher, please check out yourself

Would you feel amazing if whatever wallet/exchange/etc you use, blocks your balance and freeze it for a decade and only chance to release is to your grandchildren? Think of yourself in my shoes and you might realize (if you haven't been paid by them)

Though I have never played at Stake, I have seen Stunna building it from scratch. With PrimeDice & Stake together, he is probably processing over a Billion dollar transaction every year. It's a bit difficult to digest that he'll suddenly scam someone for ~$70k. But, the whole situation that I understand, makes me ask a few fundamental questions to Stunna.


Let me first clarify if my understanding is right...

1. Stunna accuses Baskin198 of providing fake KYC docs.

2. Stunna accuses Baskin198 of being involved in Match Fixing.

I guess, on the basis of these two allegations, Baskin198's withdrawal is withheld by Stake.


If the above is true, I have the following questions...

1. Is it ethical to ask for KYC docs at withdrawal? Please don't point me to ToS. If you need KYC to stop AML, why don't you make it mandatory at deposit itself? If you don't need KYC for small amount, but need it for large ones, why not provide a clear warning on Stake wallet, that beyond X amount here, whether through deposit or winning, KYC will be required?

2. A match can be fixed. But, without police investigation, an user's involvement in it can't be proven beyond doubt. So, why not have a clear policy that if Stake is informed about a match fixing, all winning and losses will be refunded to individual users? Holding an user's winning as hostage, because of an event that can never be linked with him beyond doubt, is probably not ethical. Also, if Stake is informed, that the matches were fixed, along with freezing Baskin198's fund, will you refund the money to individuals who lost in those matches? If yes, will you publicly announce that refund, so that users can actually confirm the refund in this forum?

It's probably illegal for a casino to discuss the exact values that trigger their AML procedures.

I do agree that KYC should be done up front and if a casino does not want to take a user's action for any reason, the bet should be refunded and allowed to be withdrawn. That said, I believe Stake is saying that they've had real losses from the match fixing action by this particular user and is holding the balance to recoup some of their losses. That seems reasonable.

If Stake has it wrong, Baskin198 should start arbitration. See https://stake.com/policies/terms#17._Arbitration.


You make a good point here. Casinos do seem to like to double dip with these unusual situations, keeping losses and refusing to pay out wins. I don't see any indication that this happened at Stake for these particular events. If someone could show evidence that they placed a losing bet that was not refunded on any of the events that Stake is saying were fixed, then maybe Stake would deserve some criticism. I think that they should codify how fixed matches will be handled in their terms of service to avoid any future confusion.

This situation has little to do with #1 and everything to do with #2. OP is trying to make it seem like our actions are being based purely over KYC. The point is that this user attempted to deceive us with false documents to shield their true identity from their illegal activity in which Baskin along with his match fixing friends stung Stake for a significant amount of money. This isn't a situation of a unlucky user who placed bets on a couple matches which happened to be fixed, this is methodical match fixing where funds were even being sent from this individual to confirmed members of this match fixing syndicate.

There is legitimately no doubt in our minds that this user's winnings were illegally obtained. We do not give a damn about 70k, we even just sent $1M to the ukraine aid donation address. We will always stand up against cheaters and do what is needed to keep these types of individuals off our platform. This user unfortunately got away with a significant profit from their match fixing which is why I have negative tagged them, their balance in question is money they stole from us in the first place. This user has tried to lie and deceive and do whatever is necessary to maximize their profit here but they knew what they were getting involved in. This user has taken a significant amount of funds from us and we will be pursuing the return of these funds as mentioned.

There seems to obviously be a sensitive spot on this forum about KYC and terms and conditions being used to deny payments to legitimate players but this is not that type of situation and Stake has one of if not the best record in the crypto space for paying its users out.

I will re-quote what I previously stated here:

It has been more than 6 months now, I have been trying to contact stake via emails, forum, etc but they seem to not care. So I have re-opened the thread and want to ask stake, what's up with the investigation on the player? Was there any update and why is my balance still stuck? It says my account is in withdraw only mode but I am not even able to withdraw, does that make any sense?

Stunna wrote this:
But in the same post he wrote this:
I'm also curious if the investigation is completed. I don't expect it'll be in your (Baskin198's) favour though, you're shady (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5383835.msg59317543#msg59317543).

I've seen that in a different thread too. It looks like the wrong wording is used when the account is blocked.

Years back when I failed KYC they allowed me to play, withdraw, deposit everything because I was losing and now because I am winning suddenly failing KYC becomes such a massive issue?

Surprisingly I got an email from stake and it says "The investigation is still ongoing, we will contact you in due course." I don't know how long it will take because it's almost 6-7 months now if not more

Email - https://prnt.sc/-u-8p1szEsiY

Isn't 6 months enough for an investigation to commence?

Apparently not. But that's not surprising: match fixing is a crime, which means there's a criminal investigation, which means the government is involved. Or multiple governments. I can imagine this isn't a high priority to them, and from what I've seen in the news about (different) crimes, it can easily take a few years to bring the bad guys to justice.

Whatever job you do, would you justify your employer holding your money for 1 year because they "suspect" some match fixing? If they have any reasons to believe the game was rigged they should post the proof and if not then allow me to withdraw.

It's easy to come and look like a saint when others are struggling to get money from a giant casino scamming them but when it will happen with you, maybe you realize how it feels for others to come and say "yeah it's fine, investigations can take decades and casino will pass the funds to your grandchildren, why are you troubling them"

Would you be fine with Chipmixer not paying you for 1 year claiming they are doing some investigation with no details and no timeframe at all?

There's no employer relation here. You're a gambler, not an employee.

As Stunna explained:

I don't believe Stake is scamming you.

It's one of the many reasons I don't gamble, and if I would gamble, it wouldn't be on real world events that can be manipulated.

ChipMixer is in the privacy business. They don't do those things.

I’m surprised that Stake still investigate your case while Stunna already gave you a verdict here by sending you a negative feedback with detailed explanation. You spamming the forum by your case after you create another thread with this same accusation despite Stunna already gave you a solid answer. You are just using the Stake security team which Imo don’t have idea that Stunna already judged your case as guilty of match fixing. I’m they will just gave same answer like what Stunna explained here.

If no legal action will happen, stake has no power to keep any funds of the user even if it is written in their ToS. You can write anything you want there, that doesn't mean they are like laws.

Let stake investigate, if more than 1 year passes go to court mate.

Which of the fake documents should he use when going to court?  And which court? Curacao? lol

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Which of the fake documents should he use when going to court?  And which court? Curacao? lol
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It is not that difficult to go to court in Curacao as it first sound.

If OP have a good explanation regarding fake ID's provided for KYC purposes, i can see him winning easily at the court.

Given that there is no police investigation for the so called manipulated game, a court most probably will treat it as a normal fair game.

Court judgement will be based on facts. They will not based their decision on the assumption that OP had inside information, or being a part of a syndicate, or his connection to manipulator etc etc, unless Stake proves otherwise. His betting pattern is not a proof of all those accusations.

Can Stake proves their accusations?

Unless i miss something from the story, the only facts so far is that:

- a user was a high roller bettor who had his account locked

- same user failed in KYC by providing many different ID's.

Haven't seen Stake providing any proof for their actions, haven't seen OP providing any explanation for the fake ID's either.

P.S If stake.com sent  $1M to the ukraine aid donation address, that doesn't mean that 70k means nothing for them and for sure, is not a proof that their actions are fair.

1xBet owner for example donated $1M to build a hospital for covid, yet we all know that 1xBet are scammers

''In the midst of the coronavirus epidemic, the Bryansk billionaire, the owner of bookmakers, donated one million euros to the Nicosia Central Hospital in Cyprus.''

Source: https://www.bryansk.kp.ru/daily/27161/4261488/

There is legitimately no doubt in our minds that this user's winnings were illegally obtained. We do not give a damn about 70k, we even just sent $1M to the ukraine aid donation address.
- You provided this for marketing purposes and not to help anyone.

You owe this user 70k, and there are many more, according to current data, that number exceeds a couple of million - probably even more, because there are many cases where people, as in this case, were allowed to gamble, but they could not pay out their funds ( interesting, does anyone have an idea why this is done :D? we all know the answer  ) . The situation here is clear -

1.There is no such thing as a fixed match in table tennis, and no one will investigate such players and no one will take them to prison (if the steak claims otherwise, let them prove who and where they are investigating these players) - except for that famous sentence our team is investigating and will
    let you know the results.
  The amount of money paid for a match is their proof that the match is fixed (?), but only if the match is won. I will give an example If you play a fixed match and win say 70k and another player loses 4k on the same match. Your account will be suspended and under investigation, the other player
    will not be refunded and his account will not be under investigation, he may possibly get less limits to play.
   Another question ? why is it given to someone to have such high limits for table tennis and for e-gaming and way ( We know the answer to this too, but let one of the representatives of the stake answer us) ?

2. KYC - and here the situation is more than familiar, you have a support who always gives you the same answer when you ask them what is wrong with your documents and you have accounts@stake.com. There are many cases where players have verified all 4 levels (it took several months) - and at
    the end they were told that they will not get their money back.
    As far as I understand here, the documents were rejected because they are not in English - and they probably told you at the support that they can't help anything there (you should have gone to a notary to get a stamp and help with that) , then you sent someone else's documents ( since they
     told you that the documents must be in English)  and they couldn't wait for you to do it, now they found a reason to take your funds.

    Nothing here is your fault (ok, it's clear that you started playing for someone, but it's not a violation or a crime, you're allowed to play tipsters or games that someone suggests). In some countries, processes are already being conducted so that acc may not be limited in the case of winning tickets.
    Here we currently have a situation where the stake will not pay the winning players ( a large number of accusations in the last 2 years ) and takes everything from the losing ones. So there is no way for someone win money.

I remember the time in 2018 when this bookmaker could become an example of how to do business and treat players -  but apparently the large amount of money made both the owners and other people within the company lose track of the direction they were headed


   @Baskin198 - contact me, since I can't send you a message
 

This is hands down the best scam accusation thread I have read. Better than a netflix doco!

I started reading in favour of OP, then stunna replied and I had my doubts maybe still on the side of the OP(I'm biased what can I say) then match fixing was suggested and claims a transaction is linked to a syndicate.
Just to add to the drama of this great series the Alt accounts came in with the appropriate aggression and emotion to add the final nail.   

The sad thing is accounts like this is what make it hard for legitimate players to be heard when things are accused incorrectly. Glad the community makes an example of such scammers.

my trust in stake and stunna is at a all time high.

Seems like it actually worked for a while.  For the past few months, maybe 6+ months?  I've seen the same story over and over.  Sports gambler finds a good spot, gets limited, makes a million accounts, gets warned, makes a million more accounts, has a deposit on new account frozen, creates thread on bitcointalk to play the victim card.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5423517.0

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5419674.0

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5400984.0

Honestly I think it's time the major sites find a better solution because I don't see this stopping.  If they're going to offer competitive lines for tons of markets with decent limits for new accounts, they need to figure out a way to keep track of individual players or put some sort of gate keeper system in place for potentially exploitable lines.  

this is exactly what I need right now. Thanks twitchy