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The shot below is the current situation of Russia's stock market while the war against Ukraine is on.
My honest question is, what does it profit a country to rise up in war against another country?
To me, this and many other stuffs happening around confirms what the book of revelation says that during the end, brothers shall rise up in war against brothers, community against community, town against town, state against state and countries against countries.

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I think profit from wars and winning a war is a long debated topic.

No one really wins a war, there's tremendous loss of life on both sides, tremendous financial costs and not much to actually gain - it's why everywhere has been quite peaceful for so long.

Rising up in war against brothers is a good point actually, I leave the war started for nothing and none will get profit out of this between these two counties who are directing participating this war. Stock markets will fall during this time especially the centralized markets in these two countries while I heard many people are trying to take cash from the banks in Ukraine and leave this country as soon as they can, while the government ordered the banks to do not give any cash to people(a Ukrainian friend of mine told me that.) also the other problem in Ukraine is about finding gas stations. All these bad situations will affect these two countries in the long term while other countries like China are taking benefit from it.

Nothing than power.

Cryptocurrencies and stocks falled, only crude oil was reported to increase in price after Putin decleared invasion.

Russia started this, not comfortable with Ukraine that want to join NATO. Vladimir Putin decleared invasion earlier today and promise demilitarization and denazification of Ukraine. Absolutely, what Russia is planning is to control the whole of Ukraine in a way the country will depend on Russia for military and this will be after Russia plans are successful by eliminating the Ukraine government and ruling Ukraine. But let us see if this will be possible.

But this has caused people dead in Ukraine and many are running away from the country. Many European leaders and Australian leader have considered what Russia is doing to be highly inappropriate and they have begin to sanction Russia, but this will not do it alone, Ukraine needs NATO military presence in their country.

War is always an exploitation of the weakness of one of the parties, and then the other party exploits those points to gain political or economic gains.
It seems that Russia has been planning to occupy these areas for a long time and therefore it has found a suitable opportunity.
Generally, all losses can be compensated by the exploitation of those resources.

I think it's pretty simple — a country goes to war against another country simply to gain access to one's resources, or simply to show power and authority.

As for Ukraine's stock market.. well I could say that I've never seen that much of a drop in one single day. Shouldn't really be a surprise though, the country's at war, and we don't even know when these businesses could start operating normally again.

It's because Putin's ego, and he is willing to put everything in line here just to win the war. As someone said, no one really wins here, it's brother to brother and yet Putin didn't think about the consequences. For him Ukraine should be annex by Russia and they don't want NATO or any other countries in the West ally with Ukraine. US and EU quickly imposes sanctions against the country in response to his attacks. As for the stock markets, yeah, it's obviously any country that is involve will suffer.

It is a fallacy to look only at the short-term performance of the stock market. As mk4 said:


I doubt very much that Putin's motives are economic and short-term. He knows that the only reaction from other countries will probably be in the form of economic sanctions, and yet he has gone ahead. This has more to do with a delusion of grandeur than with the stock market rising.

Here the possibility of Ukraine's accession to NATO is not of such decisive importance. Putin wanted to unite the former republics of the USSR under his control. But he can't say it directly. Therefore, a far-fetched version was put into play that if Ukraine joins NATO, it will be a direct threat to Russia, since NATO's borders will come closer to Russia. However, Latvia, Lithuania and Estonia are already members of NATO and border Russia. Putin specifically twists the history of Russia and the history of Ukraine.
On the territory of Ukraine in the ninth century a powerful state was formed - Kievan Rus with a center in Kiev. The Russian tribe also lived on this territory. Therefore, the name Russia comes from a word that has Ukrainian roots.
Only the Moscow Tsar Peter the Great at the turn of the 16th - 17th centuries introduced the name "Russia", which was previously called Muscovy. By the way, the first mention of Moscow was in 1147, when the Rostov-Suzdal prince Yuri Dolgoruky, one of the princes of the already decaying Kievan Rus, invited another prince Svyatoslav Olgovich to his village of Mokva (then Moscow was still called Mokva). Therefore, Ukraine can now present territorial claims to Putin and claim territories, including Moscow. These are the original territories of Kievan Rus.
Putin raves about greatness, including the greatness of Russia, and for this he needs to have Ukraine in its composition and claim the former greatness of this state as the history of Russia, not Ukraine.

Its gamble to the part of Putin to take over the whole control fo Ukrainian borders and control all of its asset when they successfully invade this country. But looks like they are doomed with economic sanctions impose by USA  and other allied countries and might we can see more worse situation by doing this since provably Putin will take action towards what sanction impose on them by other big countries.

I can only say that I hope that this war will cost Russia dearly and that it will not recover for a very long time - because they did not deserve better than that. I feel sorry for ordinary people who will pay the highest price, and those who were caught protesting against the war last night - we must not forget that not all Russians want war, nor do they support those who have made the political decision to go to war.

On the other hand, it is nice to see that Bitcoin has risen by 10% in the last 24 hours, which is completely contrary to the announcements that a possible war will mean an even bigger sinking of the largest cryptocurrency. It will be interesting to see if the Russians will start investing more in Bitcoin now that their stocks and national currency will lose value on a daily basis.

And because of Russia’s stock market drops, some of the billionaires there have most of their wealth wiped out in just one day.

Source: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-02-24/russian-billionaires-lose-39-billion-in-a-day-on-ukraine-attack

Either way, it’s an opportunity for others to buy those stocks while their value goes down. But in the long run, it’s the worldwide reputation of Vladimir Putin who is affected and may potentially see him as “Public enemy #1”.

This isn’t Russia vs. Ukraine. This is Putin against Ukraine, as I see that Russians in Moscow have opposed the government’s decision to escalate into a war.

That's the price they have to pay, I expect more losses in the coming days because again there will be no winners on any WAR.
Stocks are expected to get worst, their Central Bank already address this issue though they can't do that much because of many sanctions by foreign countries against Russia and billionaires are not exempted from that.


I salute those Russians who held a protest against the decision of their own government to declare a war Against Ukraine which already took many lives of civilians and even the soldiers. This must be stop because the worst is yet to come if this war stays longer.

Going into a war is never a pleasant way to resolve a dispute, though some say it's the last option. The casualties of war are really not those who die from it but those who stay alive witnessing it, like JP Clarke pointed out in one of his poems. While I condemn the attack on Ukraine by Putin, I believe this war will help Bitcoin price surge (I guess we've already started witnessing that) as it will be used as a Safe Haven. In the past, it used to be CHF and gold but now Bitcoin is included.

They tend to derive more benefit that favours them than not, but the main issue Russia has developed these kind threat on Ukraine is because of joining the EU NATO in which Russia believe Ukraine not to have done so while in doing so makes Russia feels more insecure as it may serves a point of entry to some of their secret since they both share the same boarder and that Ukraine could have soughted help from them other than NATO as they both share similarities in culture. It is obvious that Ukraine is worth nothing to be compared to Russia both in population, economy, and military power, Russia wanted to have Ukraine by all means in which Ukraine is not given to that.

     Immediate profit for corrupt politicians, the providers of artillery and other necessities on wars does exist. On a bigger picture though; in the long run, the whole world gains nothing and instead loses a lot in an economical, infrastructural and natural resource aspect. Now for the countries, there can definitely be some gains depending on the reason why the war is being started and pushed. That is to say, if the leader is a smart individual who has devised a detailed plan beforehand and didn't just start a war because of personal reasons and ego.

War is terrible for people but inevitable when egos clash and people cannot come to the negotiating table. They also happen when a single person or entity holds too much power. (Like Putin). Despite all this, you cannot just fault the Russians for this. Throughout the world, countries have been constantly at war for political gains and geopolitical control. Nobody has done this more than the West.


Its never country versus country but just old men versus old men. In this case, its Putin versus Zelinsky, the Ukrainian head who had been actively wooing NATO to the chagrin of Russia. Now that things have reached to this end, Putin will do everything to get rid of him and get Ukraine back into the fold, atleast ideologically and away from Western influence. So even though there aren't any direct profits, countries just go to war over disagreements turning into ego clashes.

That’s called as improvisation.

All the stock listed companies and their share holders might be selling the shares at alarming rate because they do not want to risk the assets and just want to have something in their hands before they can loose it all.

The stocks are not going up by the way. You mistyped in the OP I guess. It’s not up, it’s down.

These listed companies might be shutdown at this time due to war. There is also strong support from the peeps of Russia against the war and thus it could be mix action from both sides.

Of course, this will have a lasting effect on both economies, the chart should not come as a surprise,  you don't engage in war and expect your economy to blossom, I guess once the mind is made up to engage in war all thoughts about the effects are kept aside.
The only thing that saddens me is the government's action towards banks not to give access to people to withdraw their funds, this is the control people detest, they should keep people stranded and unprotected. At times like this, people should be able to have access to cash to make quick and sudden decisions.

Can you share the data on the Ukrainian stock market if you have it? Or did you mean Russia, but wrote Ukraine? The talks are about the crash of the Russian stock market, and it's bleeding hard amidst the Russian invasion. As for Ukrainian market, it wouldn't be a surprise if it's decreasing as well, but I can't see the info on it, and the only things I found were that it's basically closed ('cause, you know, there's a war going on), but I can't find the info with the charts.
Speaking of war and profit, we don't live in the right days for the wars that brought resources. In contemporary world, more and more people are moving into the industry of services and information. And countries with rich natural resources can remain poor. Putin's war is not for resources, I believe. The reasons are ideological, and the aim is to set up a comfy pro-Russian Ukraine that would join Russia's alliances and follow its policies.

It's not good for us that we don't know exactly what the two countries are fighting for. We can only watch and hope it stops, no one knows how it will turn out until the stock market is carried away by the actions of both countries. This is a question of sovereignty and power that will never end if Ukraine and Russia continue to insist on taking the road of war. The path of peace was negotiated, but the young Ukrainian president was carried away mentally and always showed strength. Though the impact is on the people around the war zone. Not only that, the economy of the people living in the vicinity was also destroyed.

Putin doesn't want Ukraine to be part of NATO, so somewhat for me, it is more on ego here. Let Ukraine lead their own government. But Putin feels that they own Ukraine, thus, waging a war. No one gains from this war. A lot of casualties, civilians and innocent people will lose their lives. But I don't think Putin will spare those lives as he has another agenda. Maybe, one last time, he wants to show what kind of power he has. As we know, the past wars that he had been, he all won.

Stock market in both countries will collapse. And their people will be the ones affected. Hunger and other sufferings will come next if this will continue.

There is a lot that official statistics and charts will not show when it comes to war profits. Long gone are the days of one country taking other countries' gold and jewels as spoils. Modern war profiteering is more in the nuances of weapon trading, commodities trading (oil, gas) that inevitably go up, military budgets that get increased, private security contracts, and future power balances that can, in the long run, make a profit. So there are still, unfortunately, a lot of economic reasons to go to war.

All the stock markets have been registering some losses as they adapt to the situation, however by far the one that was losing the most was the stock market of Russia as many sanctions are expected against banks, politicians and Russian companies, so it is natural that people are selling their stocks for very low prices and trying to get their money out of Russian banks as well, however most likely the Russian government knew about of this and think that despite all of this they can win something out of this war.

All this is just temporary, Governments especially when it comes to war don't see Market outlook, they know markets work on the auto-correction mechanism, even if today they are slightly dumping once things settle it will definitely come back to normal, Governments are more concerned about economic outlook before declaring the war, the inflation in the economy, the growth rate that could be hampered, the loss of supply chains of essentials, etc. and dependency on the enemy country for trade, etc. These are the things that matter the more to the government. However, profitability, you are right is never the idea behind any war and can never be an idea behind the war.

This fight is like a brothers fight.Even in the home,brother use to fight.Elder of the family will solve the issue between the brothers fight.So the developed country should had their words towards the fight.The current scenerio is Swedan had raised their voice against the fight and supported the Ukraine.Russia had huge words and suport,only the small brother need the support from the people of the world.Canada,America should made their statement against this fight.

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It seems to me that russia wants the land adjacent the capathian mountain range as a natural defensive perimeter. That would appear to be one tangible gain they're targeting.

Whether their ambitions run beyond that, I cannot guess. Russia has threatened to invade nearby states like finland and sweden who are not members of NATO in the past.

Stock markets rise and fall. In this case, I do not think it will negatively affect russia's economy which carries low percentage national debt. Russia's GDP is greater than $2 trillion with a deficit of around $400 billion. Debt to GDP ratio is around 20%, which is far far lower than most major nations of the world. Russia appears to be well structured to handle sanctions, war, a stock market crash and whatever else is thrown at them.

By contrast nations like japan and china appear to be buying up large swathes of land in foreign countries. Rather than war, that could be a better approach to global expansionism. Although I think russia itself would be barred and banned from attempting something similar.

I looked into this and this really doesn’t affect Russia as much as you think. Most of the shares are owned by people outside of Russia, typically Americans. So they are the ones taking the brunt of the loses and not Russian population.

The fact that they closed the markets and banned short selling you can see why it fell close to 50%. I think on CNN or Bloomberg they said this was the worst stock market crash in any nation ever since the creation of the stock markets. And it was mostly due to poor liquidity and massive panic.

I don't think that the majority of the shares are owned by foreigners. It is the Russian federal government which owns a majority of the shares in the largest companies (Gazprom, Rosneft, Russian Railways, Inter RAO, Sberbank, Transneft, Rosatom, Tatneft.etc). So in the end, it is the Russian government which will find itself in a difficult situation, if the share prices go down. Now coming to the stock index, it rose by around 30% during Friday after the record crash on Thursday. But the long term perspective looks bleak.

We should expect something like that, it's not like the country with it's landmass is the one that aft kinv the cle i . I directed the othe tomak create tokens. Hopefully there's a card that can help me deal with those tokens to help me wipe them off the table. Hope that Ukraine will be able to defend in this perilous situation.

Obviously Russia will suffer for this. However, the problem is that Putin will not suffer because of it, Russians will but Putin will not. We have seen Russian people on the streets condemning the war even against a dictator, they know they will be jailed or killed and yet they still got out and protested the war. Because, they know that this war will only bring death and destruction and chaos to their nation as well.

So, the only reason for this war is Putin, nobody else, no other person is responsible for this, maybe some high ranked officials with Russia, or maybe some generals, but I am sure that even 90% of the soldiers would rather be at home right now.

The benefit is only on the leader who declares war to show his power and arrogance, unfortunately such a leader does not realize that his citizen also suffer not only the country he is fighting, his country will be very likely to experience bankruptcy and make his people suffer even more because there will be many investors who leave the country.

That's an understatement if I ever heard one. 

I'd expect Russia's stock market to plummet at the beginning of...whatever this is they're doing.  I would call it an invasion and I'm not sure what constitutes a war--but in any case, I think Putin isn't thinking about economics.  So far I haven't heard on any news sites any word about what he's thinking about, except for vague speculation about bringing Ukraine back into the fold.  What's to gain from doing that is beyond me.

There was just an announcement that Russia was going pro-bitcoin, and I kind of scratched my head when I read that since it came right when the pot was ready to boil over with respect to Putin's act of aggression.  Sometimes I think leaders of countries are pure psychopaths--maybe 1% aren't, and some of them don't behave like Putin or Saddam Hussein or Pol Pot, but there's a strong stink of psychopathy nonetheless.

It's all just boasting the recent power acquired. I see no big reason behind it. Another one is cutting the ties to form a group which could lead to a revolution someday. Yes, resources may also be a part of it but damn a country like Russia is big enough, I don't think they have depleted all the resources there.
It's just to say something to other countries using bombs and other destructive stuffs and for them to know they have the power to fight back now unlike before.

War's an investment in national security, not a profitable business enterprise. The investment is you hold power and secure safety for your citizens, and that you're willing to pay significant capital in order to maintain security. Russian stock market will continue to tumble with what ever sanctions the U.S. and EU decide to play on Russia, but Putin does not have that in mind. He views the west as a threat to Russia's existence and felt the need to invest in an invasion of Ukraine so that he wouldn't face as much geopolitical pressure from NATO. The only way we'd see if the investment was worth its cost is if Russia is successful in capturing Ukraine. Odds are in their favor.

Although it may seem like a lot of money to you, for the Russian elite it is almost insignificant - they are not naive and tied only to Russia, but have effective methods of hiding money through various tax havens and will continue to live as luxuriously as before. After the war, they will surely become even richer, and the highest price will, as always, be paid by the poor who go to war for the interests of their politics.

The Russians have been preparing for this since they occupied Crimea and eastern Ukraine, and sanctions will not harm them as some have hoped - at least not in the short term.

I don't think anyone will benefit if there is a war, where as we know there is war because of natural resources that we want to control,
And Ukraine has such long-term economic value that Putin wants to own it
here just hope that the war will end soon so that not many civilians die in vain

Russia is not being reasonable in attacking of Ukraine. No Ukraine won't be able to face the Russian military except intervention from other countries like US and that is very dangerous thing to happen. Russia has threatened to fight any country coming into this and making plans for retaliatory sanctions. The best is for this attacks to stop because there won't be gain but losses at the end.

This war is a political power shown by a higher power word countries Russia vs Ukrain and both countries have to negotiate to defend/protect the sovereignty of the country and this crash in the stock market is expected after all war is a bad thing nothing can survive during wartime and the sharp drop in the price of many stocks is as a result of limited liquidation which leads to non-resistance, with hope things may return to normal but. until then the panic sell-off will continue.

What's on Putin's mind is far more than monetary outcomes.

But yeah, it does seem like a huge hit on the regular citizens of Russia. Most of the sanctions are going to be hitting hard on the citizens as opposed to high ranking government officials or the oligarchs. The citizens will be the ones left holding the bag, unable to transact with the rest of the world, being censored etc.

Makes me wonder though if these Russian stocks would be worth a buy at some stage as a value bet?

They will? But I thought Russia is a powerful country, than the others. So, I think they aren't the one that will suffer or we can say the president wont suffer to this but it is only their people because they are the ones that are devastated the most by war. Putin on the other hand feels complete because he already did what his heart desires.

The profit that they got is not money because as we can see the stocks of the country is also declining but its about the power. Every other country wants to be better or wants to dominate. It is not only the Russia's stocks that are affected on this war but also Ukraine and even the cryptocurrencies. The effect is so wide.

Russian national bank has restricted short selling following amidst War Against Ukraine. They can't keep a trading halt in place forever. More losses coming, collapse of their economy may be a defining moment to stop Putin. The common people Russia already protest as they lost severely in the stock market. If Russia-Ukraine struggle long, it'll affect from one side of the planet to the other. The wind can blow toward another destination and something changes. Russian Ruble falls 50%, however Putin really does mind it? You can't control Putin, he has four significant energy markets to impact greater expense for all. Putin might have effectively determined the cost of what might happen including these sanctions.

The global economy is getting more difficult because of the war between Russia and Ukraine, if the war does not end there will be other wars such as North Korea vs South Korea, China vs Taiwan and so on, in general the Russia vs Ukraine war will also impact the Russian stock market and get worse if sanctions are imposed. from the US is enforced.

I don't know if Putin is thinking about his people now. When I watched some of the video clips about the interrogation of these captured Russian soldiers, they are saying they don't know that they are in war. They thought it was only military exercises and they were deceived by their government. A lot of these soldiers don't want this war. But it seems Putin will not back down on this war. Even if their economy collapses. Too bad for its people. Maybe it is high time to change their President this upcoming election in 2024.

Almost all of them are experiencing very bad down because of this war.
We know how the stock keeps dropping from the first day of the war and I think that it will keep dropping. Do they not concern with this situation? Do they not care anymore about the economy and financial systems of the country?
There are so many political interests in this war and I personally still cannot determine who is right and who is wrong. But, one that I always note, war is very bad, it will only give losses in everything for both.

It's a lie ! Cynical, deliberate FALSE!
In the early days, some restrictions were indeed introduced. It was impossible to shoot per day, for one person, more than 100.000 UAH. At that time it was about 3300 dollars. For one person, once a day. But you can shoot every day, any citizen.
Moreover, many banks have canceled the accrual of penalties for the use of loans, canceled the accrual of interest for 1 month.
As of today, February 28, 2022, the exchange rate of major currencies has decreased. If the day before yesterday the exchange rate was 31-32 UAH/USD, now it is already 29 UAH/USD :) This is all easy to check. So tell your friend that he is a lying  "PEZDUN" :)

Slava Ukaine !

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I am not sure that such a drop that we are seeing in the Russian stock market is going to be temporary, after all who is going to want to invest their money in a country that is being heavily sanctioned by a great deal of countries around the world? So even if the conflict could be resolved quickly I think the long term effects on the economy of the Russian citizens are going to be felt by them for a very long time and they may need even years to recover from them.

or one thing that may possibly change their path is if they will change their leader. but if putin will stay in power, for sure, it will be long road to recovery. russian people all around the world may also receive some sort of discrimination. but they need to live with it because of what their leader had done to innocent civilians. i can feel the anger of zelensky when he saw that a family was killed without a fight. innocent civilians are dying because of this war. we are in the 21st century and yet, we are still witnessing this kind of violence.
the sanctions will not go away anytime soon, it will be a long process before they can go back to where it was.

While that would be for the best, who has the strength within the Russian government to oppose and to defeat Putin? Right now this seems unimaginable so I do not see it happening any time soon, maybe during the next years if the Russian economy keeps suffering and people begin to complain then we may have a more conductive scenario for that to happen, but at least for the moment Putin will remain in power and he will do whatever he wants.

What happens is that in the Russian government they have ideals that are very radical, almost to death, I don't see a possible betrayal of Putin, in Russia they are suffering many declines, many things at an economic level that are and are suffering there, but due Because the Russian government manages all information and the information that comes out of it is controlled, so it seems that things are fine, but I'm sure there are many problems, the lines in the banks, the way that many try to change rubles to dollars. , things there are not good at all, this would be reflected in the stock market from now on, the crash that occurred is something remarkable. They have not completely collapsed because they have the Chinese economy, and by having an ally of that style they will hardly be able to have notable falls that they themselves say.

I think that the government is now not very worried about the situation in the stock market. Now they need to debug all broken delivery routes. Of course, the economy is in a terrible state, we can see this in the state of the ruble, which has lost a lot in relation to the dollar. I think it will last until the end of the operation, and maybe longer.
I agree with you that war is bad. But if it started, then there are reasons that we are not given to know. We can only wait and watch everything that happens.

This is what happens when you have a President with no basic knowledge of business and economics. All Putin thinks about is Bombs, and nothing more. Your country is losing relevance in all spheres of international trade and diplomacy, you keep shouting BOMBS!
Russian stock market is going to fall more and more until Russia makes peace with the world

I don’t think so, Russia wont become powerful now if Putin knows nothing, I’m not trying to defend him but I think something deep reason why he push the war, and he knows the consequences of this one most probably. Its been a Month now since the invasion started, so many people died already I hope they can end this war now and go for the peace talk, I hope this wont escalate with other countried.