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February 24, 2022, 06:31:27 PM
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The shot below is the current situation of Russia's stock market while the war against Ukraine is on.
My honest question is, what does it profit a country to rise up in war against another country?
To me, this and many other stuffs happening around confirms what the book of revelation says that during the end, brothers shall rise up in war against brothers, community against community, town against town, state against state and countries against countries.

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February 24, 2022, 06:54:17 PM
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I think profit from wars and winning a war is a long debated topic.

No one really wins a war, there's tremendous loss of life on both sides, tremendous financial costs and not much to actually gain - it's why everywhere has been quite peaceful for so long.
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February 24, 2022, 08:15:12 PM
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Rising up in war against brothers is a good point actually, I leave the war started for nothing and none will get profit out of this between these two counties who are directing participating this war. Stock markets will fall during this time especially the centralized markets in these two countries while I heard many people are trying to take cash from the banks in Ukraine and leave this country as soon as they can, while the government ordered the banks to do not give any cash to people(a Ukrainian friend of mine told me that.) also the other problem in Ukraine is about finding gas stations. All these bad situations will affect these two countries in the long term while other countries like China are taking benefit from it.

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February 24, 2022, 08:45:41 PM
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My honest question is, what does it profit a country to rise up in war against another country?
Nothing than power.

Cryptocurrencies and stocks falled, only crude oil was reported to increase in price after Putin decleared invasion.

Russia started this, not comfortable with Ukraine that want to join NATO. Vladimir Putin decleared invasion earlier today and promise demilitarization and denazification of Ukraine. Absolutely, what Russia is planning is to control the whole of Ukraine in a way the country will depend on Russia for military and this will be after Russia plans are successful by eliminating the Ukraine government and ruling Ukraine. But let us see if this will be possible.

But this has caused people dead in Ukraine and many are running away from the country. Many European leaders and Australian leader have considered what Russia is doing to be highly inappropriate and they have begin to sanction Russia, but this will not do it alone, Ukraine needs NATO military presence in their country.

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February 24, 2022, 09:23:37 PM
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War is always an exploitation of the weakness of one of the parties, and then the other party exploits those points to gain political or economic gains.
It seems that Russia has been planning to occupy these areas for a long time and therefore it has found a suitable opportunity.
Generally, all losses can be compensated by the exploitation of those resources.

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February 25, 2022, 03:54:09 AM
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I think it's pretty simple — a country goes to war against another country simply to gain access to one's resources, or simply to show power and authority.

As for Ukraine's stock market.. well I could say that I've never seen that much of a drop in one single day. Shouldn't really be a surprise though, the country's at war, and we don't even know when these businesses could start operating normally again.

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February 25, 2022, 04:43:30 AM
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It's because Putin's ego, and he is willing to put everything in line here just to win the war. As someone said, no one really wins here, it's brother to brother and yet Putin didn't think about the consequences. For him Ukraine should be annex by Russia and they don't want NATO or any other countries in the West ally with Ukraine. US and EU quickly imposes sanctions against the country in response to his attacks. As for the stock markets, yeah, it's obviously any country that is involve will suffer.

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February 25, 2022, 07:02:58 AM
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My honest question is, what does it profit a country to rise up in war against another country?

It is a fallacy to look only at the short-term performance of the stock market. As mk4 said:

I think it's pretty simple — a country goes to war against another country simply to gain access to one's resources, or simply to show power and authority.

I doubt very much that Putin's motives are economic and short-term. He knows that the only reaction from other countries will probably be in the form of economic sanctions, and yet he has gone ahead. This has more to do with a delusion of grandeur than with the stock market rising.

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February 25, 2022, 10:46:16 AM
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It's because Putin's ego, and he is willing to put everything in line here just to win the war. As someone said, no one really wins here, it's brother to brother and yet Putin didn't think about the consequences. For him Ukraine should be annex by Russia and they don't want NATO or any other countries in the West ally with Ukraine. US and EU quickly imposes sanctions against the country in response to his attacks. As for the stock markets, yeah, it's obviously any country that is involve will suffer.
Here the possibility of Ukraine's accession to NATO is not of such decisive importance. Putin wanted to unite the former republics of the USSR under his control. But he can't say it directly. Therefore, a far-fetched version was put into play that if Ukraine joins NATO, it will be a direct threat to Russia, since NATO's borders will come closer to Russia. However, Latvia, Lithuania and Estonia are already members of NATO and border Russia. Putin specifically twists the history of Russia and the history of Ukraine.
On the territory of Ukraine in the ninth century a powerful state was formed - Kievan Rus with a center in Kiev. The Russian tribe also lived on this territory. Therefore, the name Russia comes from a word that has Ukrainian roots.
Only the Moscow Tsar Peter the Great at the turn of the 16th - 17th centuries introduced the name "Russia", which was previously called Muscovy. By the way, the first mention of Moscow was in 1147, when the Rostov-Suzdal prince Yuri Dolgoruky, one of the princes of the already decaying Kievan Rus, invited another prince Svyatoslav Olgovich to his village of Mokva (then Moscow was still called Mokva). Therefore, Ukraine can now present territorial claims to Putin and claim territories, including Moscow. These are the original territories of Kievan Rus.
Putin raves about greatness, including the greatness of Russia, and for this he needs to have Ukraine in its composition and claim the former greatness of this state as the history of Russia, not Ukraine.

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February 25, 2022, 11:26:57 AM
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The shot below is the current situation of Russia's stock market while the war against Ukraine is on.
My honest question is, what does it profit a country to rise up in war against another country?
To me, this and many other stuffs happening around confirms what the book of revelation says that during the end, brothers shall rise up in war against brothers, community against community, town against town, state against state and countries against countries.

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Its gamble to the part of Putin to take over the whole control fo Ukrainian borders and control all of its asset when they successfully invade this country. But looks like they are doomed with economic sanctions impose by USA  and other allied countries and might we can see more worse situation by doing this since provably Putin will take action towards what sanction impose on them by other big countries.

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February 25, 2022, 11:46:41 AM
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I can only say that I hope that this war will cost Russia dearly and that it will not recover for a very long time - because they did not deserve better than that. I feel sorry for ordinary people who will pay the highest price, and those who were caught protesting against the war last night - we must not forget that not all Russians want war, nor do they support those who have made the political decision to go to war.

On the other hand, it is nice to see that Bitcoin has risen by 10% in the last 24 hours, which is completely contrary to the announcements that a possible war will mean an even bigger sinking of the largest cryptocurrency. It will be interesting to see if the Russians will start investing more in Bitcoin now that their stocks and national currency will lose value on a daily basis.

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February 25, 2022, 12:00:44 PM
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And because of Russia’s stock market drops, some of the billionaires there have most of their wealth wiped out in just one day.

Source: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-02-24/russian-billionaires-lose-39-billion-in-a-day-on-ukraine-attack

Either way, it’s an opportunity for others to buy those stocks while their value goes down. But in the long run, it’s the worldwide reputation of Vladimir Putin who is affected and may potentially see him as “Public enemy #1”.

This isn’t Russia vs. Ukraine. This is Putin against Ukraine, as I see that Russians in Moscow have opposed the government’s decision to escalate into a war.

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February 25, 2022, 01:15:54 PM
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And because of Russia’s stock market drops, some of the billionaires there have most of their wealth wiped out in just one day.

Source: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-02-24/russian-billionaires-lose-39-billion-in-a-day-on-ukraine-attack
That's the price they have to pay, I expect more losses in the coming days because again there will be no winners on any WAR.
Stocks are expected to get worst, their Central Bank already address this issue though they can't do that much because of many sanctions by foreign countries against Russia and billionaires are not exempted from that.


This isn’t Russia vs. Ukraine. This is Putin against Ukraine, as I see that Russians in Moscow have opposed the government’s decision to escalate into a war.
I salute those Russians who held a protest against the decision of their own government to declare a war Against Ukraine which already took many lives of civilians and even the soldiers. This must be stop because the worst is yet to come if this war stays longer.


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Going into a war is never a pleasant way to resolve a dispute, though some say it's the last option. The casualties of war are really not those who die from it but those who stay alive witnessing it, like JP Clarke pointed out in one of his poems. While I condemn the attack on Ukraine by Putin, I believe this war will help Bitcoin price surge (I guess we've already started witnessing that) as it will be used as a Safe Haven. In the past, it used to be CHF and gold but now Bitcoin is included.

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My honest question is, what does it profit a country to rise up in war against another country?

They tend to derive more benefit that favours them than not, but the main issue Russia has developed these kind threat on Ukraine is because of joining the EU NATO in which Russia believe Ukraine not to have done so while in doing so makes Russia feels more insecure as it may serves a point of entry to some of their secret since they both share the same boarder and that Ukraine could have soughted help from them other than NATO as they both share similarities in culture. It is obvious that Ukraine is worth nothing to be compared to Russia both in population, economy, and military power, Russia wanted to have Ukraine by all means in which Ukraine is not given to that.



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February 25, 2022, 04:05:34 PM
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I think profit from wars and winning a war is a long debated topic.

No one really wins a war, there's tremendous loss of life on both sides, tremendous financial costs and not much to actually gain - it's why everywhere has been quite peaceful for so long.


     Immediate profit for corrupt politicians, the providers of artillery and other necessities on wars does exist. On a bigger picture though; in the long run, the whole world gains nothing and instead loses a lot in an economical, infrastructural and natural resource aspect. Now for the countries, there can definitely be some gains depending on the reason why the war is being started and pushed. That is to say, if the leader is a smart individual who has devised a detailed plan beforehand and didn't just start a war because of personal reasons and ego.

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February 25, 2022, 04:16:04 PM
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War is terrible for people but inevitable when egos clash and people cannot come to the negotiating table. They also happen when a single person or entity holds too much power. (Like Putin). Despite all this, you cannot just fault the Russians for this. Throughout the world, countries have been constantly at war for political gains and geopolitical control. Nobody has done this more than the West.

My honest question is, what does it profit a country to rise up in war against another country?

Its never country versus country but just old men versus old men. In this case, its Putin versus Zelinsky, the Ukrainian head who had been actively wooing NATO to the chagrin of Russia. Now that things have reached to this end, Putin will do everything to get rid of him and get Ukraine back into the fold, atleast ideologically and away from Western influence. So even though there aren't any direct profits, countries just go to war over disagreements turning into ego clashes.
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February 25, 2022, 05:01:57 PM
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That’s called as improvisation.

All the stock listed companies and their share holders might be selling the shares at alarming rate because they do not want to risk the assets and just want to have something in their hands before they can loose it all.

The stocks are not going up by the way. You mistyped in the OP I guess. It’s not up, it’s down.

These listed companies might be shutdown at this time due to war. There is also strong support from the peeps of Russia against the war and thus it could be mix action from both sides.
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Rising up in war against brothers is a good point actually, I leave the war started for nothing and none will get profit out of this between these two counties who are directing participating this war. Stock markets will fall during this time especially the centralized markets in these two countries while I heard many people are trying to take cash from the banks in Ukraine and leave this country as soon as they can, while the government ordered the banks to do not give any cash to people(a Ukrainian friend of mine told me that.) also the other problem in Ukraine is about finding gas stations. All these bad situations will affect these two countries in the long term while other countries like China are taking benefit from it.

Of course, this will have a lasting effect on both economies, the chart should not come as a surprise,  you don't engage in war and expect your economy to blossom, I guess once the mind is made up to engage in war all thoughts about the effects are kept aside.
The only thing that saddens me is the government's action towards banks not to give access to people to withdraw their funds, this is the control people detest, they should keep people stranded and unprotected. At times like this, people should be able to have access to cash to make quick and sudden decisions.

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I think it's pretty simple — a country goes to war against another country simply to gain access to one's resources, or simply to show power and authority.

As for Ukraine's stock market.. well I could say that I've never seen that much of a drop in one single day. Shouldn't really be a surprise though, the country's at war, and we don't even know when these businesses could start operating normally again.
Can you share the data on the Ukrainian stock market if you have it? Or did you mean Russia, but wrote Ukraine? The talks are about the crash of the Russian stock market, and it's bleeding hard amidst the Russian invasion. As for Ukrainian market, it wouldn't be a surprise if it's decreasing as well, but I can't see the info on it, and the only things I found were that it's basically closed ('cause, you know, there's a war going on), but I can't find the info with the charts.
Speaking of war and profit, we don't live in the right days for the wars that brought resources. In contemporary world, more and more people are moving into the industry of services and information. And countries with rich natural resources can remain poor. Putin's war is not for resources, I believe. The reasons are ideological, and the aim is to set up a comfy pro-Russian Ukraine that would join Russia's alliances and follow its policies.

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