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Title: Gambling addiction causing victim to scam his family
Post by: fiulpro on May 18, 2022, 06:41:18 PM
Here is the article:  https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/courtandcrime/arid-40875731.html (https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/courtandcrime/arid-40875731.html)
Apparently Boyle Sports manipulated a man is a very sad way where he ended up loosing all the money he scammed from a family member. The man had probelms with Gambling and he tried to stop by closing the account on the website and at the end of the day they saw him stopping but kept sending him mails and at the same time, they apparently sent him a 50$ free betting which at the end ending up to be awful for him since he started it again and ended up loosing all the fortune. The whole things is extremely complex like Some Sherlock Holmes story. The person was not infact gullible since to fuel his gambling addiction he scammed his family member and then went to court and pleaded guilty as well blamed it all on the Boyle Sports.
What do you think who was in the wrong ?
I think both the bettor and the Boyle Sports were in the wrong.
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It was established that the two accounts, to which the payments totalling €56,000 were made, were a personal bank account and a Boyle Sports account, both in Thomas O’Connell’s name. The payments varied from €100 to €1000 and averaged at just over €200.
“Contact was almost on a daily basis – sometimes a couple of times on a particular day. He admitted that he took €56,000 and impersonated (the solicitor),” Det. Garda Fuller said. O’Connell was actually a client of the solicitor he impersonated. The defendant had a gambling and alcohol addiction.
The phone calls and texts – supposedly from the solicitor - to the victim were a work of fiction by 48-year-old Thomas O’Connell who did not stop until he got his hands on every euro of the €56,000 the victim had inherited.



Title: Re: Gambling addiction causing victim to scam his family
Post by: Vaskiy on May 18, 2022, 07:10:10 PM
Here the gambler is wrong. As a means of promotion gambling platforms used to give free betting bonuses. If this bonus have been given knowing that the user is gonna end gambling, then the gambling platform too is wrong. Myself too have similar experience playing with bonus when I was in long break from gambling, and from my experience it is always good to have self control.


Title: Re: Gambling addiction causing victim to scam his family
Post by: uneng on May 18, 2022, 07:37:54 PM
Was the man playing online or at land based casino? If he was going at a physical casino, does it make sense he had to have an account in order to be able to play?

How was the approach of Boyle Sports when offering and tempting him with 50$ free bet promotions? Was it done presentially, through phone calls or email messages? Well, he could have recorded the casino employee tempting him and denounce the gambling house to the responsible authority or just block the email of the casino to stop receiving messages from them. It's shocking it happened during 2 whole years and this gambler didn't have any conscious moment to take action against the issue and to stop abusing the victim.

I think the article lacks further evidences and details needed to help us reach a more accurate conclusion regards this case. Anyway, I don't see this gambler with good eyes, because he caused prejudice to his acquaintance, what means he has no consideration for other people besides himself. For me he looks a dangerous person for this reason. Moreover, once he got caught he just tried to get rid of the consequences by blaming someone else for his actions (the casino in this case).


Title: Re: Gambling addiction causing victim to scam his family
Post by: Wiwo on May 18, 2022, 07:54:03 PM
Was the man playing online or at land based casino? If he was going at a physical casino, does it make sense he had to have an account in order to be able to play?

How was the approach of Boyle Sports when offering and tempting him with 50$ free bet promotions? Was it done presentially, through phone calls or email messages? Well, he could have recorded the casino employee tempting him and denounce the gambling house to the responsible authority or just block the email of the casino to stop receiving messages from them. It's shocking it happened during 2 whole years and this gambler didn't have any conscious moment to take action against the issue and to stop abusing the victim.

I think the article lacks further evidences and details needed to help us reach a more accurate conclusion regards this case. Anyway, I don't see this gambler with good eyes, because he caused prejudice to his acquaintance, what means he has no consideration for other people besides himself. For me he looks like a dangerous person for this reason. Moreover, once he got caught he just tried to get rid of the consequences by blaming someone else for his actions (the casino in this case).
I think the man is playing in an online casino because from the article the casino sent him an email with a promotional offer and the man option to go back into gambling, of course, everyone wants free $50 to bet but then one needs self-control. But the act to avoid gambling addiction should be the responsibility of the player, and if the user has an option for self withdrawal and the casino still send him a promotional offer it means the casino is at fault.


Title: Re: Gambling addiction causing victim to scam his family
Post by: Fivestar4everMVP on May 18, 2022, 08:05:03 PM
What do you think who was in the wrong ?
I think both the bettor and the Boyle Sports were in the wrong.
Well, based on the story, I think Boyle Sports isn't wrong in anyway, they are a betting casino and they were only doing their job which is keeping their customer informed and also giving back to thier customers through bonuses, which is what almost every casinos do out there.
The only person wrong here is the bettor, whom according to the story is a gambling as well as achohol addict, when he (the bettor) decided to close his gambling account with Boyle Sports in other to enable him control he's gambling urge, why didn't he also unsubscribe himself from Boyle Sports mailing list? Doing this would have burnt every bridge and closed or stopped any form or kind of temptation that would want to make him go back, but now he ended up falling back due to a $50 free betting bonus.


Title: Re: Gambling addiction causing victim to scam his family
Post by: Renampun on May 18, 2022, 08:28:07 PM
both of them are certainly at fault for what happened...

but Boyle sport, who continued to email the man, had the biggest role in the man's loss. sending email is an automatic system that exists in almost all gambling sites and this system must be regulated in such a way by the government so as not to cause harm to others.


Title: Re: Gambling addiction causing victim to scam his family
Post by: goaldigger on May 18, 2022, 08:54:12 PM
The site didn’t tell to that gambler to scammed his family so I think this is indeed the fault of the gambler and beside, the site didn’t know he’s already addicted in gambling though that promotion campaign is quiet greedy but you cannot blame that in the site in the first place. Don’t make an excuse if you are already addicted, just accept the fact and start moving on. This situation is very unfortunate for the family of that gambler, I hope they can still support that guy and guide him until he recovers.


Title: Re: Gambling addiction causing victim to scam his family
Post by: livingfree on May 18, 2022, 09:16:37 PM
IMO, the gambler.

All of us should be responsible for all of our actions and that's the sad thing that don't happen in others. When they get into trouble and going to that part of scamming your relatives just for your own addiction sake, you're totally in the severe part that's hard to control.

This is not new in case of gambling, there were too many of them that have done crazy things just for them to sustain their gambling addiction.


Title: Re: Gambling addiction causing victim to scam his family
Post by: coin-investor on May 18, 2022, 10:09:16 PM
Here is the article:  https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/courtandcrime/arid-40875731.html (https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/courtandcrime/arid-40875731.html)
Apparently Boyle Sports manipulated a man is a very sad way where he ended up loosing all the money he scammed from a family member. The man had probelms with Gambling and he tried to stop by closing the account on the website and at the end of the day they saw him stopping but kept sending him mails and at the same time, they apparently sent him a 50$ free betting which at the end ending up to be awful for him since he started it again and ended up loosing all the fortune. The whole things is extremely complex like Some Sherlock Holmes story. The person was not infact gullible since to fuel his gambling addiction he scammed his family member and then went to court and pleaded guilty as well blamed it all on the Boyle Sports.
What do you think who was in the wrong ?
I think both the bettor and the Boyle Sports were in the wrong.


It's not really complex if you understand the mindset of a compulsive gambler, this kind of gambler will do anything and everything just to continue gambling, losing or winning he will not stop gambling and when caught he will blame everybody that he can blame or will include people to his crime if he has a crime committed, and this story is just an example of it.


The casino is partly to blame for keep feeding him and baiting him to play but they can defend their action by stating there's a glitch in the system or there is a 24 hours pause period, either way, the gambler is the one to blame, and since he pleads guilty he should be rehabilitated and make him pay for the damages.


Title: Re: Gambling addiction causing victim to scam his family
Post by: Hydrogen on May 18, 2022, 10:27:02 PM
There have been similar stories published in the news over the years. Whales who lost their fortunes gambling are an interesting trend.

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Meet The Man Who Lost $200 Million Gambling In Vegas… IN ONE YEAR!

Las Vegas has a name for big time, big money gamblers. They are called whales and they are the lifeblood of every casino on the Strip. When a whale lands in your casino and starts betting tens of thousands (or more!) dollars at a time, executives do whatever it takes to keep him or her happy and gambling in your casino. In terms of whales, Nebraska-born businessman Terry Watanabe was a whale of a whale. Actually, he was a whale of a whale, of a whale, of a whale of a whale. During a year-long gambling streak, Terry lost a mind melting $204 million dollars at two Vegas casinos. Both gambling halls are owned by Harrah's Entertainment, Inc. and Watanabe's staggering losses alone accounted for 5.6% of gambling revenue for the parent company that year. Who is Terry Watanabe and how did this truly shocking gambling loss go down?

(story continues at link below)

https://www.celebritynetworth.com/articles/entertainment-articles/meet-man-lost-200-million-gambling-vegas-one-year/

The above story is an example of a whale losing $200 million to gambling addiction. There are other whales who also lost a lot of money.

It seems that gambling addiction affects everyone from the rich to the poor.

I wonder if its gambling that is at fault. Or whether some lack impulse control. Perhaps they don't know how to lose gracefully and never back down from a gambling fight. Its sad. But its real life.


Title: Re: Gambling addiction causing victim to scam his family
Post by: Ulven on May 18, 2022, 10:41:07 PM
A problem gambler will do anything, and everything, to continue gambling. He will lie, cheat and steal to be able to gamble. When caught he will blame everybody that he can blame or any crimes committed !!he will include people for his crime if he has one!!!


Title: Re: Gambling addiction causing victim to scam his family
Post by: agustina2 on May 18, 2022, 10:43:18 PM
I think both the bettor and the Boyle Sports were in the wrong.

You should also share your own view on why Boyle Sports were also wrong. Technically, they didn't do anything wrong unless they have terms on their service that they will stop any promotional activities on their users if requested. In the story you have shared, the gambler just didn't use the account and decided to stop but emails won't be stopped sending because there's no unsubscription action done by the bettor.

The bettor is wrong here because if the dedication to stop gambling is serious, whatever promotional emails they received are supposed to be ignored. The bettor wasn't able to fight the temptation and now ended up with the worst result.


Title: Re: Gambling addiction causing victim to scam his family
Post by: Rengga Jati on May 18, 2022, 10:50:50 PM
The man had probelms with Gambling and he tried to stop by closing the account on the website and at the end of the day they saw him stopping but kept sending him mails and at the same time, they apparently sent him a 50$ free betting which at the end ending up to be awful for him since he started it again and ended up loosing all the fortune.
Indeed, some gambling platforms like this won't let any users lose and they give sweet things to get those users back.
Isn't there a stipulation that should be related to gambling addiction and on a platform? Sometimes there are platforms that provide services related to gambling addiction, but I also doubt whether it really works or not. Because once again if they lose a user, they lose one of the income.
In this case, he tried but failed because of sweet effort from the site, this will exactly destroy the willingness to stop

The person was not infact gullible since to fuel his gambling addiction he scammed his family member and then went to court and pleaded guilty as well blamed it all on the Boyle Sports.
No matter who he is, even if it's part of the family, if he is at fault, he should be. This is also in order to give him and teaches him a lesson.
And I do agree with you, both the boy and also the site has each mistake. But I am sure that the site doesn't accept the blame and will ignore


Title: Re: Gambling addiction causing victim to scam his family
Post by: uneng on May 18, 2022, 11:09:57 PM
Was the man playing online or at land based casino? If he was going at a physical casino, does it make sense he had to have an account in order to be able to play?

How was the approach of Boyle Sports when offering and tempting him with 50$ free bet promotions? Was it done presentially, through phone calls or email messages? Well, he could have recorded the casino employee tempting him and denounce the gambling house to the responsible authority or just block the email of the casino to stop receiving messages from them. It's shocking it happened during 2 whole years and this gambler didn't have any conscious moment to take action against the issue and to stop abusing the victim.

I think the article lacks further evidences and details needed to help us reach a more accurate conclusion regards this case. Anyway, I don't see this gambler with good eyes, because he caused prejudice to his acquaintance, what means he has no consideration for other people besides himself. For me he looks like a dangerous person for this reason. Moreover, once he got caught he just tried to get rid of the consequences by blaming someone else for his actions (the casino in this case).
I think the man is playing in an online casino because from the article the casino sent him an email with a promotional offer and the man option to go back into gambling, of course, everyone wants free $50 to bet but then one needs self-control. But the act to avoid gambling addiction should be the responsibility of the player, and if the user has an option for self withdrawal and the casino still send him a promotional offer it means the casino is at fault.
I failed to spot the mention to emails on the article. It just says the casino "has sent him him a €50 free bet", so I got confused. Moreover, Boyle Sports is a popular brand in Ireland (where the story happened) and United Kingdom with more than 320 franchises total. It made me thought the man could be betting presentially at one of the houses of the brand. That is why I think the casino's approach to this man should be made more clear by the media covering the case.


Title: Re: Gambling addiction causing victim to scam his family
Post by: bittraffic on May 18, 2022, 11:16:25 PM
They've learned it from the best casinos with self exclusion services but kept sending emails. The power of email + the $50 free bet made Boyle Sports very successful.

Its not enough to lose all his money but he scammed his relatives.  The addiction is really that strong to him that the crimes you think only in the movies will happen like impersonating someone seems easy for him.


Title: Re: Gambling addiction causing victim to scam his family
Post by: Maus0728 on May 18, 2022, 11:21:50 PM
Here is the article:  https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/courtandcrime/arid-40875731.html (https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/courtandcrime/arid-40875731.html)
Apparently Boyle Sports manipulated a man is a very sad way where he ended up loosing all the money he scammed from a family member. The man had probelms with Gambling and he tried to stop by closing the account on the website and at the end of the day they saw him stopping but kept sending him mails and at the same time, they apparently sent him a 50$ free betting which at the end ending up to be awful for him since he started it again and ended up loosing all the fortune. The whole things is extremely complex like Some Sherlock Holmes story. The person was not infact gullible since to fuel his gambling addiction he scammed his family member and then went to court and pleaded guilty as well blamed it all on the Boyle Sports.
What do you think who was in the wrong ?
I think both the bettor and the Boyle Sports were in the wrong.
Quote
It was established that the two accounts, to which the payments totalling €56,000 were made, were a personal bank account and a Boyle Sports account, both in Thomas O’Connell’s name. The payments varied from €100 to €1000 and averaged at just over €200.
“Contact was almost on a daily basis – sometimes a couple of times on a particular day. He admitted that he took €56,000 and impersonated (the solicitor),” Det. Garda Fuller said. O’Connell was actually a client of the solicitor he impersonated. The defendant had a gambling and alcohol addiction.
The phone calls and texts – supposedly from the solicitor - to the victim were a work of fiction by 48-year-old Thomas O’Connell who did not stop until he got his hands on every euro of the €56,000 the victim had inherited.



if my understanding to the matter is right, then...

I've already seen a post in this forum where a user suggest that we somehow should take notice of the Gambling Exclusion program of gambling platforms. When a user of a platform would want to exclude himself, the platforms should stop sending emails of the bonuses and just don't let him access the website at all. This isn't really a problem from the gambler but from the both of the gambler and the one who've sent the promotion. If an addict tried and let himself change, no one should urge him the opposite. Yet, some websites are really desperate whenever they know that someone is addicted to gambling and they will keep making him play more.


Title: Re: Gambling addiction causing victim to scam his family
Post by: AmoreJaz on May 18, 2022, 11:32:39 PM
They've learned it from the best casinos with self exclusion services but kept sending emails. The power of email + the $50 free bet made Boyle Sports very successful.

Its not enough to lose all his money but he scammed his relatives.  The addiction is really that strong to him that the crimes you think only in the movies will happen like impersonating someone seems easy for him.

when you're too deep with your addiction, i believe you will do things that are out of logic anymore. the reasoning is out of context as you want to fulfill your gambling desires. i guess, this situation is not by any means the first and definitely not the last. as long as gambling industry exists, there will be individuals that will go beyond their normal actions just to feed their impulses.


Title: Re: Gambling addiction causing victim to scam his family
Post by: harizen on May 18, 2022, 11:55:24 PM

I remember a thread here blaming the platform for still sending emails and promotions even though the user already demanded to stop it in the mission and goal of totally stopping doing gambling. Although that platform admits there's a problem with the system, seems not appropriate for me to fully blame the platform where in fact, it's impossible that people will not encounter any gambling-related stuff even just by a simple walking in the street.

Here in OP's shared story, I won't blame the platform here but the gambler itself. We should be responsible and serious if we really like to stop gambling. Only we can help ourselves to fight the temptation of gambling.


Title: Re: Gambling addiction causing victim to scam his family
Post by: Darker45 on May 19, 2022, 12:50:36 AM
Where did you get the subject of this topic? Did you read the news? I read the article and nowhere did it mention that the suspect scammed his family. The money he took did not come from a family member. It came from an acquaintance.

Anyway, it is crystal clear who's in the wrong here. It is the defendant. Whatever alibi he will raise to defend his case, he cannot be excused from the theft that he committed. That he pretended to be a prominent Cork solicitor could also be a different case of identity theft or usurpation.

Of course, I am not a lawyer. I am interested how this case would be judged. Either way, Boyle Sports should also be held partly accountable for their actions considering that their promotional offers could have actually played a role in the victim's gambling addiction. Well, it depends on existing local laws.


Title: Re: Gambling addiction causing victim to scam his family
Post by: Kemarit on May 19, 2022, 01:10:14 AM
As the saying goes "it takes two to tango", so both is to blame here.

But I heard similar stories in the past though, know the guy personally and then he pulled the same act, scamming his family so that he can continue with his gambling addiction (horse racing and other card games). Nevertheless, he was forgiven by his family and change his attitude for the good. Lesson here is that there is still time to mend things specially our gambling addiction and stop.


Title: Re: Gambling addiction causing victim to scam his family
Post by: judeafante on May 19, 2022, 01:24:59 AM
Here is the article:  https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/courtandcrime/arid-40875731.html (https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/courtandcrime/arid-40875731.html)
Apparently Boyle Sports manipulated a man is a very sad way where he ended up loosing all the money he scammed from a family member. The man had probelms with Gambling and he tried to stop by closing the account on the website and at the end of the day they saw him stopping but kept sending him mails and at the same time, they apparently sent him a 50$ free betting which at the end ending up to be awful for him since he started it again and ended up loosing all the fortune. The whole things is extremely complex like Some Sherlock Holmes story. The person was not infact gullible since to fuel his gambling addiction he scammed his family member and then went to court and pleaded guilty as well blamed it all on the Boyle Sports.
What do you think who was in the wrong ?
I think both the bettor and the Boyle Sports were in the wrong.



It's a typical story of a compulsive gambler, they will do everything to keep on playing they are blinded by their own reasoning this is not new in our country compulsive gamblers are robbing their companies and their family just to continue playing.

And casinos are like that even if you want to stop they will keep sending you promotions so you can come back if you have a weak control you will fall into this, both have mistakes but the gambler has more liabilities than the casinos.


Title: Re: Gambling addiction causing victim to scam his family
Post by: Uang_kartal on May 19, 2022, 02:01:51 AM
who doesn't care about a sweet offer? but promotions like this openly exaggerate, also the company has a slightly different term of service, maybe.
I believe that the man was carried away by an emotional mission that arose from his own impulses and desires. The casual gambler will probably see the value they get, not in the things that make the game fun.
and when he sees something different (this) from other gambling companies, and maybe the company politely declines.
as far as i know there is gambling which they facilitate well. From opening or closing an account, without being suspended or for any reason.if you say between right and who is wrong it can't be separated from offer and acceptance, if the man chooses the better one, the possibility will be minimized.
I personally prefer to research first on this forum any form of gambling before deciding to create an account at a particular gambling company.


Title: Re: Gambling addiction causing victim to scam his family
Post by: Poker Player on May 19, 2022, 03:39:29 AM
As for the loss suffered, the one at fault is the casino for not respecting the player's self-exclusion, although the player is also at fault for having scammed money to a relative to gamble it away. There was also a case in the forum of someone who complained because he had self-excluded himself from a room and they kept contacting him. And many other cases as Hydrogen comments. Responsible gambling options are there for a reason and they have to be respected because there are people who are completely ruined by self-control problems.



Title: Re: Gambling addiction causing victim to scam his family
Post by: Lida93 on May 19, 2022, 04:01:53 AM
They've learned it from the best casinos with self exclusion services but kept sending emails. The power of email + the $50 free bet made Boyle Sports very successful.
Going through the story from the OP am not sure the man's conviction to stop gambling was a strong determined one. I guess it's one of these normal gamblers expression of stopping from playing gambling especially when they have had their worst loss only to see them back the next day.

On the other hand Boyle sport was just doing normal legit gambling business, by crediting his account with the said amount of dollars, every other casino does that as a way to promoting their company. So the man should be blame for not having a locus of control towards his gambling lifestyle.

And come to think of it, he's said to be an addicted alcoholic, so am not sure all the money went into gambling, alcohol must have taking a sum too. So should the alcohol (brewery) company be said to be blamed too? No!


Title: Re: Gambling addiction causing victim to scam his family
Post by: Wexnident on May 19, 2022, 04:40:42 AM
It's two different instances here really, a scam attempt that was successful, and a gambler that can't leave gambling. Both of which are fully his fault imo. And it's nothing really complicated, he scammed his family member to gamble, that's it. Using the fact that the casino kept sending him free $50 to bet isn't really an excuse to scam someone really. The gambling part is another story though, and I'd have to admit the casino is the one at fault there, although the gambler themselves can't really be completely free of blame still. Kinda odd really how closing your account nets you a free $50, doesn't that mean it can be exploited a number of times?


Title: Re: Gambling addiction causing victim to scam his family
Post by: michellee on May 19, 2022, 05:26:50 AM
They've learned it from the best casinos with self exclusion services but kept sending emails. The power of email + the $50 free bet made Boyle Sports very successful.

Its not enough to lose all his money but he scammed his relatives.  The addiction is really that strong to him that the crimes you think only in the movies will happen like impersonating someone seems easy for him.

when you're too deep with your addiction, i believe you will do things that are out of logic anymore. the reasoning is out of context as you want to fulfill your gambling desires. i guess, this situation is not by any means the first and definitely not the last. as long as gambling industry exists, there will be individuals that will go beyond their normal actions just to feed their impulses.
It will happen to a person who is addicted to something and will do anything to get what he wants. And related to gambling where one must have money to start gambling, it will make people who are addicted to gambling have to think hard about how they can have money to continue gambling. And cheating other family members to get money is not a new thing that happens in society because it has often been experienced by them. Every family must pay attention to this so that they always look after their family members and help them if they have problems with gambling addiction.


Title: Re: Gambling addiction causing victim to scam his family
Post by: noorman0 on May 19, 2022, 05:29:12 AM
-snip-
The man had probelms with Gambling and he tried to stop by closing the account on the website and at the end of the day they saw him stopping but kept sending him mails and at the same time,


If a person has a desire to get out of addiction, he should take serious steps as much as possible for some time to avoid gambling at all. This includes unsubscribing to notifications and disabling emails to a casino that could allow them to view gambling content and promotions (and possibly sports news on which he normally makes bets).


Title: Re: Gambling addiction causing victim to scam his family
Post by: davis196 on May 19, 2022, 05:38:38 AM
Man, I've heard more awful horror stories about gambling addiction.
In my country, a gambling addict killed his girlfriend, because she found out that he is stealing money from her, in order to gamble.
He cut her body into pieces and tried to deceive the police, but the police caught him. I understand that he was an addict, but what kind of sociopathic monster would kill own girlfriend, just because she found out that he was stealing money from her.
Many gambling and drug addicts had stolen money from their friends and families. I don't know who to blame in that case. The addicts? The gambling industry? Their friends and families, for not helping them fight their addiction? I guess that we have to put the blame on everyone.


Title: Re: Gambling addiction causing victim to scam his family
Post by: skarais on May 19, 2022, 06:01:28 AM
Man, I've heard more awful horror stories about gambling addiction.
In my country, a gambling addict killed his girlfriend, because she found out that he is stealing money from her, in order to gamble.
He cut her body into pieces and tried to deceive the police, but the police caught him. I understand that he was an addict, but what kind of sociopathic monster would kill own girlfriend, just because she found out that he was stealing money from her.
Many gambling and drug addicts had stolen money from their friends and families. I don't know who to blame in that case. The addicts? The gambling industry? Their friends and families, for not helping them fight their addiction? I guess that we have to put the blame on everyone.
We can't blame a knife for slicing our hands while peeling an apple, it's our fault for not using it carefully. In my opinion, the casino strategy to get money from gamblers is one thing that cannot be blamed, everyone can ignore the invitation and can even easily block it. So I think it's the gambler's fault why he can't control his urge to gamble and spend all his money.

Be a responsible gambler, isn't that a warning that every gambler keeps reminding?


Title: Re: Gambling addiction causing victim to scam his family
Post by: acroman08 on May 19, 2022, 06:27:35 AM
What do you think who was in the wrong ?
I think both the bettor and the Boyle Sports were in the wrong.
I agree both of them are in the wrong and both of them should be held accountable for what happened.

reading that the sportsbook sent him 50 euros every time the gambler tried to close his account only shows that they don't want him to stop gambling even if the guy is trying. sportsbooks/casinos that operate like that are scums and their license should be revoked and confiscated. as for the gambler who scammed his family, that is entirely his fault, he could have gotten the money from other means but he decided to scam his family.


Title: Re: Gambling addiction causing victim to scam his family
Post by: pakhitheboss on May 19, 2022, 06:27:43 AM
I do not think the gambling website is in fault here. When you register you are asked to accept the terms and conditions, that is where they mention that by accepting the t&c you are okay to receive promotional mails. Some website display the same information seperately. I am sure the gambler in question has opted for it and that is why he was sent the $50 as a come back bonus. Some physical casinos also do the same by asking gamblers to fill a questionnaire.

If the gambler wanted to quit gambling he should have unsubscribed from the email list of the casino. This would have prevented them from sending promotional emails. Therefore blaming the email is not correct in this scenario.


Title: Re: Gambling addiction causing victim to scam his family
Post by: Oasisman on May 19, 2022, 07:38:09 AM

What do you think who was in the wrong ?
I think both the bettor and the Boyle Sports were in the wrong.

You're definitely correct. Though the most responsible for what happened is the man who got addicted to gambling. While fueling up his addiction was also wrong.
Gambling websites should've known better who gets addicted and whos not by looking at their gambling activities.
Gambling companies should have a team who will handle such cases. Though not required, but at least this could be an extra mile of service for any gambling companies instead og giving out free betting amount.


Title: Re: Gambling addiction causing victim to scam his family
Post by: Fundamentals Of on May 19, 2022, 07:43:34 AM
Is there a policy which doesn't allow marketing emails like O’Connell received? I think it is unfair for any company to just use their clients' emails for their promotion spams. It would be understandable if O’Connell himself chose to allow Boyle Sports for any bonus offers, newsletter, and updates. But it would be a big question if O’Connell didn't have the option to shut off all communications coming from Boyle Sports. It might even be a violation of privacy if these emails continue to flood O’Connell even if he already deactivated his gambling account.


Title: Re: Gambling addiction causing victim to scam his family
Post by: swogerino on May 19, 2022, 08:38:45 AM
I have to say that is still his fault and he should not blame the gambling company sending him emails with bonuses and other related things,he knows that there is the "unsubscribe" button to not receive such emails and if he was truly determined to quit he should have also blocked all emails from gambling related companies.I think deep down in him he was waiting for this type of email and he was thinking,this is it,now I am going to win and recover all the lost money which led to this situation.


Title: Re: Gambling addiction causing victim to scam his family
Post by: Rruchi man on May 19, 2022, 10:12:01 AM
What do you think who was in the wrong ?
No one said that quiting an addiction will not come without a temptation to continue. I can't blame Boyle sports for wanting to keep their customer. When you make a decision to quit, it has to be a firm decision and as much as possible do away or block anything that can make you look back on your decision. A user with a real intention to quit gambling will go an extra mile to ensure that his goals are achieved, this involves- Blocking emails that could trigger the urge, avoiding friends that you gamble with or even staying away from watching the sport activity you gamble on for a while. You must do what you must to achieve your goal. It is immature to cast blame on someone for tempting you to do something when the you were not held at gunpoint. Accepting that you are in charge of your actions is a good start to overcoming an addiction.


Title: Re: Gambling addiction causing victim to scam his family
Post by: aioc on May 19, 2022, 10:20:18 AM
I have to say that is still his fault and he should not blame the gambling company sending him emails with bonuses and other related things,he knows that there is the "unsubscribe" button to not receive such emails and if he was truly determined to quit he should have also blocked all emails from gambling related companies.I think deep down in him he was waiting for this type of email and he was thinking,this is it,now I am going to win and recover all the lost money which led to this situation.

Casinos know the physiology or the mindset of gamblers, those who are playing a huge amount of money are likely to say no to promotions, they will always go for the bait and every time big spenders in gambling get back to playing they will pay huge amount of money and that's a huge profit for casinos, not all casinos are like this but those who are doing this are casinos that get a lot of complaints because in the first place their exclusion or unsubscribe button should be updated.


Title: Re: Gambling addiction causing victim to scam his family
Post by: arwin100 on May 19, 2022, 10:32:23 AM
What do you think who was in the wrong ?
No one said that quiting an addiction will not come without a temptation to continue. I can't blame Boyle sports for wanting to keep their customer. When you make a decision to quit, it has to be a firm decision and as much as possible do away or block anything that can make you look back on your decision. A user with a real intention to quit gambling will go an extra mile to ensure that his goals are achieved, this involves- Blocking emails that could trigger the urge, avoiding friends that you gamble with or even staying away from watching the sport activity you gamble on for a while. You must do what you must to achieve your goal. It is immature to cast blame on someone for tempting you to do something when the you were not held at gunpoint. Accepting that you are in charge of your actions is a good start to overcoming an addiction.

Its hard to quit on gambling if you are in the peak of keeping on wanting it for sure those what he encounter will just be ignore and in the next day he will keep betting. He needs professional help to overcome this addiction also the family support is really needed because if he just do it for his self for sure nothing happens especially if he still have the app or the site bookmarked or installed on his desktop or he may still have an access to those sites.


Title: Re: Gambling addiction causing victim to scam his family
Post by: Cookdata on May 19, 2022, 10:37:43 AM
What do you think who was in the wrong ?

Nothing went wrong, the problem is that the guy who defrauded his family is a serial gambler and has lost his sense for money, and Boyle Sports was using their marketing system to deceive him.
To be honest, gambling houses are in business to make a profit, no one wants to lose money, so when one of their players stops playing, they decide to give him a bonus to entice him back. This is a common practice among gambling platforms, but instead of quitting, he appears to prefer gambling to see his family happy.

Just like on my last birthday, several sportsbooks offered me a bonus only to enjoy my day because they noticed I didn't come and play like I used to, I didn't use the bonus, he should have declined the bonus offered.


Title: Re: Gambling addiction causing victim to scam his family
Post by: Boristhecat on May 19, 2022, 10:53:58 AM
Here is the article:  https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/courtandcrime/arid-40875731.html (https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/courtandcrime/arid-40875731.html)
Apparently Boyle Sports manipulated a man is a very sad way where he ended up loosing all the money he scammed from a family member. The man had probelms with Gambling and he tried to stop by closing the account on the website and at the end of the day they saw him stopping but kept sending him mails and at the same time, they apparently sent him a 50$ free betting which at the end ending up to be awful for him since he started it again and ended up loosing all the fortune. The whole things is extremely complex like Some Sherlock Holmes story. The person was not infact gullible since to fuel his gambling addiction he scammed his family member and then went to court and pleaded guilty as well blamed it all on the Boyle Sports.
What do you think who was in the wrong ?
I think both the bettor and the Boyle Sports were in the wrong.

I do not see anything complicated in this story. This man is a scammer and he is only trying to shift his blame to others. It will be funny if the court finds that Boyle Sports is also guilty - then I expect a wave of similar lawsuits from idiots who received "undesirable" advertising about how good a Porsche car is, went and robbed a bank, or after receiving an advertisement about how good it is to travel the world, they went robbed store.


Title: Re: Gambling addiction causing victim to scam his family
Post by: KTChampions on May 19, 2022, 12:23:07 PM
Here the gambler is wrong. As a means of promotion gambling platforms used to give free betting bonuses. If this bonus have been given knowing that the user is gonna end gambling, then the gambling platform too is wrong. Myself too have similar experience playing with bonus when I was in long break from gambling, and from my experience it is always good to have self control.

It is interesting on the basis of what law the casino should think about the “worldview” of its client. If he did not want to receive any information from the casino, then he should have closed the opportunity to receive letters from them (black list, just do not read them, etc. - many possibilities), but blame someone for the fact that because of them he committed a crime extremely strange to me.


Title: Re: Gambling addiction causing victim to scam his family
Post by: Peanutswar on May 19, 2022, 12:23:33 PM
There are a lot of people who have the same scenario and experience with this kind of situation and i guess they are the one who needs some help because even if they cant handle any more having a gambling addiction they need some support came from their friends and family to make sure they are really guided, its already in a different level. It is good if there's another way to entertain them not into the gambling because for sure they will urge to earn back their assets.


Title: Re: Gambling addiction causing victim to scam his family
Post by: zidanw on May 19, 2022, 01:31:04 PM
I have heard and even witnessed something like this happened. At the end of the day, it is the bettor who is at fault for falling into the trap set, but of course the gambling company has a lot of role to play in triggering the gamblers. Gamblers has the power to reject or let themselves be under the influence of their addiction once again. I just hire that they seek whatever help they need, especially professional help.


Title: Re: Gambling addiction causing victim to scam his family
Post by: erep on May 19, 2022, 02:20:44 PM
There are a lot of people who have the same scenario and experience with this kind of situation and i guess they are the one who needs some help because even if they cant handle any more having a gambling addiction they need some support came from their friends and family to make sure they are really guided, its already in a different level. It is good if there's another way to entertain them not into the gambling because for sure they will urge to earn back their assets.
They need assistance from family and relatives to help recover from gambling addiction, because only they can motivate him to get out of the dark life that destroys him from social relations between families, because the anger of gamblers cannot be controlled other than to obey his wishes. So if he is not able to recover himself from gambling addiction then he should be with the help of rehabilitation so that he does not linger in the badness of gambling.


Title: Re: Gambling addiction causing victim to scam his family
Post by: Little_Sister on May 19, 2022, 02:25:23 PM
I have heard and even witnessed something like this happened. At the end of the day, it is the bettor who is at fault for falling into the trap set, but of course the gambling company has a lot of role to play in triggering the gamblers. Gamblers has the power to reject or let themselves be under the influence of their addiction once again. I just hire that they seek whatever help they need, especially professional help.
We are in control of ourselves to be attracted or disinterested to play casino excessively without control, so casino companies are not involved in wrongdoing because they are not forcing someone to register a gambling member or not. All decisions are up to each one of them, so don't be influenced by anything that makes us active gambling addicts.


Title: Re: Gambling addiction causing victim to scam his family
Post by: Maslate on May 19, 2022, 02:28:34 PM
Boyle Sports just did their job, they don't care if what would happen to their gambler as long as they win. It's pure business for them, so us gamblers, we have to ensure that we are still responsible so we can only gamble what we can afford to lose.

Gambling is suppose to be an entertainment, but it's true that there are some people who are addicted to it, but it's not right to blame it all to the gambling sites as in the first place they are operating with permit, and the government are benefiting from their income through the taxes they are paying.


Title: Re: Gambling addiction causing victim to scam his family
Post by: Luzin on May 19, 2022, 02:41:28 PM
Gambling is suppose to be an entertainment, but it's true that there are some people who are addicted to it, but it's not right to blame it all to the gambling sites as in the first place they are operating with permit, and the government are benefiting from their income through the taxes they are paying.

That's right, control is entirely on everyone. The service providers provide a place, they cannot limit what they do with the money they hold in the account they have. Don't know where the money is from as long as the account moves to stream normally there are no reports of crimes then it will not be banned.
As the author said, I think it happens a lot. Not only deceptive, but for those who are not smart fund management will spend property owned by family or parents. It happened in my area, the car, the land they sold to cover the forest due to mismanagement of funds they did.


Title: Re: Gambling addiction causing victim to scam his family
Post by: Uang_kartal on May 19, 2022, 02:54:30 PM
Gambling is suppose to be an entertainment, but it's true that there are some people who are addicted to it, but it's not right to blame it all to the gambling sites as in the first place they are operating with permit, and the government are benefiting from their income through the taxes they are paying.

That's right, control is entirely on everyone. The service providers provide a place, they cannot limit what they do with the money they hold in the account they have. Don't know where the money is from as long as the account moves to stream normally there are no reports of crimes then it will not be banned.
As the author said, I think it happens a lot. Not only deceptive, but for those who are not smart fund management will spend property owned by family or parents. It happened in my area, the car, the land they sold to cover the forest due to mismanagement of funds they did.
Yes bro,actually any activity, it has limits from pleasure, love and excessive ambition makes a person forget what is called a hobby and entertainment. I assume (gambling) should be the one who can choose it himself, any company will understand when the time comes take a break from any game, entertain yourself with a trial or something fit. The friends above discuss the role of other people to help recover themselves, the mindset and curiosity from gambling adversity. In my opinion, games are just games. And the company definitely wants to provide the best service for its consumers.and once again men or whoever has it has a choice for a trip and the company has an offer.so get to know yourself(gambler) because something is created for interest in a particular field, which is unique, varied and may bring big profits.then get to know the risk that will be accepted, whatever it is friend.
and recognize the vision and mission of gambling, it can turn from the law, the reality from dreams or hopes that are too forced


Title: Re: Gambling addiction causing victim to scam his family
Post by: dunfida on May 19, 2022, 03:08:49 PM

What do you think who was in the wrong ?
I think both the bettor and the Boyle Sports were in the wrong.

Both are indeed wrong but there's no law that could really make out immediate or proper action specially if there would no agreements involved like "self-exclusions" which the user had made out some
request for him not to recieve any mails in related with promotions because its totally irresponsible or mistake if they do still sent out despite of such condition or scenario.

As a gambling addict then you could do sort of things which it would be mainly affecting on people around you even with your own family which you could really be
able to scam out specially if you dont have money to spent through gambling.



Title: Re: Gambling addiction causing victim to scam his family
Post by: dothebeats on May 19, 2022, 03:26:39 PM
It's really saddening that a lot of problematic gamblers will take down this path especially if they no longer have any money to fund their gambling habits. They are not only destroying their lives but also the lives of other people that surround them. Hopefully this serves as a very painful lesson to the gambler in question, otherwise once he got out and still does not remove gambling from his system, he will still do it again and would surely do everything in his power to evade being caught by law enforcement.

Boyle Sports just did their job, they don't care if what would happen to their gambler as long as they win. It's pure business for them, so us gamblers, we have to ensure that we are still responsible so we can only gamble what we can afford to lose.

Gambling is suppose to be an entertainment, but it's true that there are some people who are addicted to it, but it's not right to blame it all to the gambling sites as in the first place they are operating with permit, and the government are benefiting from their income through the taxes they are paying.

I agree. The gambler, at the end of the day, still has full responsibility of whatever happens to him/her due to his/her activities. They are a business seeking profit, not a charity helping people. If they are to help every single problematic gambler that is using their platform, they will just lose money in the process. Problematic gamblers can apply themselves through the self-exclusion program, but they still have to look for themselves to never visit any gambling platforms while they are trying to recuperate from their addiction.


Title: Re: Gambling addiction causing victim to scam his family
Post by: Cling18 on May 19, 2022, 03:32:59 PM
Here the gambler is wrong. As a means of promotion gambling platforms used to give free betting bonuses. If this bonus have been given knowing that the user is gonna end gambling, then the gambling platform too is wrong. Myself too have similar experience playing with bonus when I was in long break from gambling, and from my experience it is always good to have self control.

I certainly agree with this. There's no one to be blamed but the gambler because things could have been better if that person knows how to control himself from the beginning. Yes, gambling addiction is hard to resist but if we really want to stop, then we should do it wholeheartedly and readily which includes the total deletion or unsubscription to promotional emails. Free funds from promotions are just a trap and if we fall for it, we'll surely lose everything in the end.


Title: Re: Gambling addiction causing victim to scam his family
Post by: alisonwonder on May 19, 2022, 04:07:29 PM
I certainly agree with this. There's no one to be blamed but the gambler because things could have been better if that person knows how to control himself from the beginning. Yes, gambling addiction is hard to resist but if we really want to stop, then we should do it wholeheartedly and readily which includes the total deletion or unsubscription to promotional emails. Free funds from promotions are just a trap and if we fall for it, we'll surely lose everything in the end.
The main mistake remains for gamblers because they do not have the knowledge to bet on money that is worth losing for gambling games for fun, to avoid gambling addiction that you do not need to be involved every time for gambling because at times it is difficult to avoid the addiction to gambling from using money which should not be deposited in gambling.


Title: Re: Gambling addiction causing victim to scam his family
Post by: Zilon on May 19, 2022, 04:25:05 PM
Both the bettor and Boyle Sports are at fault but i might not blame Boyle sport that much because the bettor allowed greed eat up his emotions. Going extra mile to scam a family member just to continue gambling is another level of addiction altogether. Gambling companies are profit seeking establishment too and not a charity organization they might want to go any length to keep their bettors regular and this is where discipline comes in on the path of the gambler


Title: Re: Gambling addiction causing victim to scam his family
Post by: cabron on May 19, 2022, 04:38:40 PM

Feel pity for this man. He might not have anyone left on his side when he is back to the reality. Lets says he'd be in prison for impersonating someone and after that he goes out. His family may hate him for what he did and will have no place to go because of this.

He must have thought he'd get lucky and win using the money and then pay. He is too optomistic for a gambler.


Title: Re: Gambling addiction causing victim to scam his family
Post by: masulum on May 19, 2022, 04:43:37 PM

The main mistake remains for gamblers because they do not have the knowledge to bet on money that is worth losing for gambling games for fun, to avoid gambling addiction that you do not need to be involved every time for gambling because at times it is difficult to avoid the addiction to gambling from using money which should not be deposited in gambling.

When we're addicted to something, sometimes it's not just about knowing and ready to lose the money. However, mental and emotional factors often make a gambler forget what he should be doing. It could be, the person who did this to his family because of his unstable emotions. He hopes to win too much, so he tries in any way to get the money so he can bet again. I recently made a mistake when I borrowed money for gamble, after exceeding the limit I originally set before. Lucky for me, when I used the borrowed money, I won and was able to make a full refund. Something like this might also happen to the suspect. He wanted to win, but there was no more money to play with, thus making his family a victim. That is why, playing intensity is an important thing that needs to be done. The more often we play, the more unhealthy our emotional becomes. This has happened to me once, when I gambled almost every day. Now, I've let go, even if I gamble, I deposit once, if I lose, it's over. This is to prevent me from making the same mistake before. Because, victory is not determined by how much we gamble, so limiting as suggested by my friends is an important thing that I must remember.


Title: Re: Gambling addiction causing victim to scam his family
Post by: iv4n on May 19, 2022, 05:14:51 PM
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but every time he tried to close his Boyle Sports account they sent him a €50 free bet and he ended up gambling again

Well, when you wager a lot you get a lot of promotional stuff! What's wrong with that?!

After reading this story I have a feeling that you can replace the word gambling with drugs and it will be completely the same! Another ruined life because some guy/girl decided to go all the way without any moral or ethical compass!? Any vice is like playing with fire, and we who play with fire get burned here and there, so I guess we know how it is... but some people just don't know when it's enough! They push till the very end!

I don't like to blame the game, because the game will be played as long as there are interested players! So it's on people who decide to join the game to be aware of what can happen in the game and all the consequences that can come when "bad period/luck" comes! And be sure, after every bullish comes a bearish period! It's like that even in love!


Title: Re: Gambling addiction causing victim to scam his family
Post by: arifteguhr on May 19, 2022, 05:41:46 PM
I don't like to blame the game, because the game will be played as long as there are interested players! So it's on people who decide to join the game to be aware of what can happen in the game and all the consequences that can come when "bad period/luck" comes! And be sure, after every bullish comes a bearish period! It's like that even in love!
Gambling games of various variations are made so as not to be boring but that does not mean to add to the long list of gambling addictions, so every gambler must break away from his addiction to gambling because it will make his life worse, an addicted gambler must be able to control himself from excessive gambling addiction and understand the consequences if betting on high bets.


Title: Re: Gambling addiction causing victim to scam his family
Post by: Fortify on May 19, 2022, 06:52:25 PM
Here is the article:  https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/courtandcrime/arid-40875731.html (https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/courtandcrime/arid-40875731.html)
Apparently Boyle Sports manipulated a man is a very sad way where he ended up loosing all the money he scammed from a family member. The man had probelms with Gambling and he tried to stop by closing the account on the website and at the end of the day they saw him stopping but kept sending him mails and at the same time, they apparently sent him a 50$ free betting which at the end ending up to be awful for him since he started it again and ended up loosing all the fortune. The whole things is extremely complex like Some Sherlock Holmes story. The person was not infact gullible since to fuel his gambling addiction he scammed his family member and then went to court and pleaded guilty as well blamed it all on the Boyle Sports.
What do you think who was in the wrong ?
I think both the bettor and the Boyle Sports were in the wrong.
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It was established that the two accounts, to which the payments totalling €56,000 were made, were a personal bank account and a Boyle Sports account, both in Thomas O’Connell’s name. The payments varied from €100 to €1000 and averaged at just over €200.
“Contact was almost on a daily basis – sometimes a couple of times on a particular day. He admitted that he took €56,000 and impersonated (the solicitor),” Det. Garda Fuller said. O’Connell was actually a client of the solicitor he impersonated. The defendant had a gambling and alcohol addiction.
The phone calls and texts – supposedly from the solicitor - to the victim were a work of fiction by 48-year-old Thomas O’Connell who did not stop until he got his hands on every euro of the €56,000 the victim had inherited.



I've had some interaction and experience with Boyle Sports in the past, they do have adequate safety measures in place to stop someone from casually returning if they have requested self exclusion for a period of time. They will have had to make some declarations and go through certain steps to remove that self exclusion if it ever was in place - I get the feeling it was never even attempted by this hopeless addict. In most situations I am supportive of people who lose their own money if the gambling controls are not strong enough, maybe they do need a review at this site, but this person has gone a step further and stolen from his own family - that is possibly some of the worst behavior possible, which makes the sympathy levels pretty low.


Title: Re: Gambling addiction causing victim to scam his family
Post by: dataispower on May 19, 2022, 07:04:23 PM
Here the gambler is wrong. As a means of promotion gambling platforms used to give free betting bonuses. If this bonus have been given knowing that the user is gonna end gambling, then the gambling platform too is wrong. Myself too have similar experience playing with bonus when I was in long break from gambling, and from my experience it is always good to have self control.
You have not to blame the gambling sites because they are on business which if you happens to be on the shoe's of owner of the platform you will like people to be betting in your platform even without bonus as you check. The gamblers is in the wrong track because it suppose to know how much that remains in it gambling account not to the extent of wiping all of his account  for gambling. Borrowing because of betting is wrong even though they platform issues you enough bonus you are suppose to use a common sense to apply for whatever you are doing.


Title: Re: Gambling addiction causing victim to scam his family
Post by: Wiwo on May 19, 2022, 07:47:08 PM
A problem gambler will do anything, and everything, to continue gambling. He will lie, cheat and steal to be able to gamble. When caught he will blame everybody that he can blame or any crimes committed !! he will include people for his crime if he has one!!!
An addicted gambler will always have the tendency to do whatever it is just to quench his taste and this can be seen there character, stealing can be one of those things and other criminalizing acts. Instead of fixing themselves, they rely on casinos to stop their excessive gambling forgetting the fact that casinos are out for business and the more gamblers stake money the more money the casino earns.


Title: Re: Gambling addiction causing victim to scam his family
Post by: Zlantann on May 19, 2022, 08:34:04 PM
Every gambling company are into business to make profit and not just to entertain prospective customer. Just like any business, Boyle Sports would always want to retain their customers. In trying to maintain or win back customers these gambling companies use different marketing strategies which include free bets. You didn't specify the age of the person, hence we cannot figure-out if he is underage. Teenagers and children are the highest victims of gambling addiction, that is why the age limit is 18 and above. The bettor was only enticed and was not forced, hence Boyle Sports is not guilty. Every adult must take responsibility for his/her action or inaction because the blame game is a sign of immaturity.   


Title: Re: Gambling addiction causing victim to scam his family
Post by: Doell on May 19, 2022, 08:50:05 PM
Wrong there is the gambler, As a gambler in that's a man see, free bet ignited already pent up emotions. We may often experience this because not a few people have it, including me. Admitting that, to be honest I was in a similar condition to that guy, but luckily I didn't go too far like him. Gambling is something that is interesting but we have to be good at controlling emotions.


Title: Re: Gambling addiction causing victim to scam his family
Post by: livingfree on May 19, 2022, 09:12:23 PM
The above story is an example of a whale losing $200 million to gambling addiction. There are other whales who also lost a lot of money.

It seems that gambling addiction affects everyone from the rich to the poor.

I wonder if its gambling that is at fault. Or whether some lack impulse control. Perhaps they don't know how to lose gracefully and never back down from a gambling fight. Its sad. But its real life.
It really does, IIRC, there's also a famous NBA star that have lost his wealth due to addiction, I can't remember if it's on gambling or it's with illegal drugs.

Nevertheless, once a rich person can no longer handle himself with his activities, he's going to spend ravage and won't notice that his wealth is eventually breaking down.

He'll notice it too late when he's got nothing left anymore.


Title: Re: Gambling addiction causing victim to scam his family
Post by: Quidat on May 19, 2022, 10:53:50 PM
Wrong there is the gambler, As a gambler in that's a man see, free bet ignited already pent up emotions. We may often experience this because not a few people have it, including me. Admitting that, to be honest I was in a similar condition to that guy, but luckily I didn't go too far like him. Gambling is something that is interesting but we have to be good at controlling emotions.
Controlling emotions might simple to mention on but totally applying it when you are on a severe addiction is something really hard to be done when you are on that state which addiction
is really trying to overcome you where you could really go into certain extent on making yourself doing some actions which you do something yourself cant believe but since the urge
of addiction is really strong then you wont really be minding even if you do really stole something out from your family or scamming them.You would really be going into that
certain extent if we arent serious on quitting gambling.


Title: Re: Gambling addiction causing victim to scam his family
Post by: Boristhecat on May 20, 2022, 08:40:27 AM
I have heard and even witnessed something like this happened. At the end of the day, it is the bettor who is at fault for falling into the trap set, but of course the gambling company has a lot of role to play in triggering the gamblers. Gamblers has the power to reject or let themselves be under the influence of their addiction once again. I just hire that they seek whatever help they need, especially professional help.

Yes, gamblers should take full responsibility just like shopaholics, alcoholics and other people with addictions. If we start dividing this responsibility between those who advertise (of their product which, when used in reasonable quantities, does no harm) with people who consume it uncontrollably and face unpleasant consequences, we will harm all parties.


Title: Re: Gambling addiction causing victim to scam his family
Post by: ethereumhunter on May 20, 2022, 09:30:04 AM
I have heard and even witnessed something like this happened. At the end of the day, it is the bettor who is at fault for falling into the trap set, but of course the gambling company has a lot of role to play in triggering the gamblers. Gamblers has the power to reject or let themselves be under the influence of their addiction once again. I just hire that they seek whatever help they need, especially professional help.

Yes, gamblers should take full responsibility just like shopaholics, alcoholics and other people with addictions. If we start dividing this responsibility between those who advertise (of their product which, when used in reasonable quantities, does no harm) with people who consume it uncontrollably and face unpleasant consequences, we will harm all parties.
Still, gamblers have to be held accountable because it is their risk of becoming addicted. But sadly, not many can realize this and are drawn even deeper into gambling. I think this is a shared responsibility between gamblers, advertisers and casinos but I don't know, it seems that casinos and advertisers keep going without thinking about the fate of gamblers who are addicted to gambling.


Title: Re: Gambling addiction causing victim to scam his family
Post by: KTChampions on May 20, 2022, 10:26:13 AM
Still, gamblers have to be held accountable because it is their risk of becoming addicted. But sadly, not many can realize this and are drawn even deeper into gambling. I think this is a shared responsibility between gamblers, advertisers and casinos but I don't know, it seems that casinos and advertisers keep going without thinking about the fate of gamblers who are addicted to gambling.

Why should a business think about those who misuse its products? What can you say about fast food and those who are addicted to it? Obviously they have huge negative consequences - obesity and related health problems. But are food manufacturers to blame? I think no. And attempts to extend responsibility to normal market participants will harm, first of all, ordinary normal consumers, that is, everyone will be punished except for those who have an addiction.


Title: Re: Gambling addiction causing victim to scam his family
Post by: agustina2 on May 20, 2022, 10:57:33 AM
Yes, gamblers should take full responsibility just like shopaholics, alcoholics and other people with addictions. If we start dividing this responsibility between those who advertise (of their product which, when used in reasonable quantities, does no harm) with people who consume it uncontrollably and face unpleasant consequences, we will harm all parties.

Same in cigarette advertisements - "smoking is dangerous to your health"
Same in liquor advertisements - "drink moderately"

Some gambling sites also have a banner or terms pointing to "gamble moderately" or "responsible gambling". Since these companies are promoting their products and services, obviously they won't say stop doing this or that.

We, as a consumer and clients, should be responsible for what we are doing.


Title: Re: Gambling addiction causing victim to scam his family
Post by: Findingnemo on May 20, 2022, 12:01:49 PM
What the gambling site did was wrong but at the end of the day they didn't force him to scam so the addiction made him to scam so he can't sue the sportbook for his immoral actions which can never be justified. We all should have self discipline in everything because we are in control of our actions.


Title: Re: Gambling addiction causing victim to scam his family
Post by: mindrust on May 20, 2022, 12:03:04 PM
Here is the article:  https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/courtandcrime/arid-40875731.html (https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/courtandcrime/arid-40875731.html)
Apparently Boyle Sports manipulated a man is a very sad way where he ended up loosing all the money he scammed from a family member. The man had probelms with Gambling and he tried to stop by closing the account on the website and at the end of the day they saw him stopping but kept sending him mails and at the same time, they apparently sent him a 50$ free betting which at the end ending up to be awful for him since he started it again and ended up loosing all the fortune. The whole things is extremely complex like Some Sherlock Holmes story. The person was not infact gullible since to fuel his gambling addiction he scammed his family member and then went to court and pleaded guilty as well blamed it all on the Boyle Sports.
What do you think who was in the wrong ?
I think both the bettor and the Boyle Sports were in the wrong.
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It was established that the two accounts, to which the payments totalling €56,000 were made, were a personal bank account and a Boyle Sports account, both in Thomas O’Connell’s name. The payments varied from €100 to €1000 and averaged at just over €200.
“Contact was almost on a daily basis – sometimes a couple of times on a particular day. He admitted that he took €56,000 and impersonated (the solicitor),” Det. Garda Fuller said. O’Connell was actually a client of the solicitor he impersonated. The defendant had a gambling and alcohol addiction.
The phone calls and texts – supposedly from the solicitor - to the victim were a work of fiction by 48-year-old Thomas O’Connell who did not stop until he got his hands on every euro of the €56,000 the victim had inherited.



It is not a matter of who is right or who is wrong. Most people have weak minds. They get addicted to different stuff very easily.  Some get addicted to alcohol/drugs, some get addicted to tobacco and some become gambling addicts. Getting high education isn't going to solve this problem neither. I've seen doctors becoming addicts too. For that simple reason, casinos&tobacco shops will never ever go bankrupt as long as humans exist.


Title: Re: Gambling addiction causing victim to scam his family
Post by: DoublerHunter on May 20, 2022, 12:13:04 PM
What the gambling site did was wrong but at the end of the day they didn't force him to scam so the addiction made him to scam so he can't sue the sportbook for his immoral actions which can never be justified. We all should have self discipline in everything because we are in control of our actions.
^ One of the main factors that cause this for sure is greediness, don't let this will happen, and stop your greediness at all times.
You will never be justified in the end if you will chase money in gambling and when you left nothing, that is the time you will for sure commit crimes and even your family is the number one victim. Moderately gambling is the right way to control yourself, it should start with yourself on how to control it.
The story shows how will educate ourselves in gambling, that was an advantage to all of us here because we are aware of others' mistakes and avoid not will happen to us.


Title: Re: Gambling addiction causing victim to scam his family
Post by: Kakmakr on May 20, 2022, 12:16:23 PM
The gambler are to blame....

He had the option to go out to get a second job, that would have kept him busy...not having the extra time to gamble... but he decided to rather scam money out of his family and friends and now he wants to shift the blame to the people who offered him the opportunity to gamble.

This is typical of the new thinking of people... "Always a victim" .... never taking the responsibility for their actions. We have the freedom to make choices...and he took the wrong option.  ::)


Title: Re: Gambling addiction causing victim to scam his family
Post by: Saisher on May 20, 2022, 12:22:43 PM
The gambler in the article happens to play in a corrupt casino, the casino knows that he is betting huge and they want to bait him into coming back by giving him a lot of promotions and free bets since he is a compulsive gambler and an offer like this is hard to refuse, I don't think even if there are no promotions coming in, he will stop playing and will continue to scam his family.
Taking a vacation from gambling is not the right way to cure a compulsive gambler, he needs the guidance of a professional who will devise task and gives him medicine to stop his urge to play.


Title: Re: Gambling addiction causing victim to scam his family
Post by: ethereumhunter on May 20, 2022, 12:26:19 PM
Still, gamblers have to be held accountable because it is their risk of becoming addicted. But sadly, not many can realize this and are drawn even deeper into gambling. I think this is a shared responsibility between gamblers, advertisers and casinos but I don't know, it seems that casinos and advertisers keep going without thinking about the fate of gamblers who are addicted to gambling.

Why should a business think about those who misuse its products? What can you say about fast food and those who are addicted to it? Obviously they have huge negative consequences - obesity and related health problems. But are food manufacturers to blame? I think no. And attempts to extend responsibility to normal market participants will harm, first of all, ordinary normal consumers, that is, everyone will be punished except for those who have an addiction.
Food producers are not to be blamed, but at least they can advise the public about the meaning of health. That means they can provide education to the public while selling their products.

Think about it. Have food manufacturers been blamed for their products? Even when the product can be said to be a product defect or other negative things? In the end, the food producers will answer, we only sell our products and if people buy our products it means they understand the consequences. Is it fair to society?


Title: Re: Gambling addiction causing victim to scam his family
Post by: zidanw on May 20, 2022, 01:10:58 PM
We are in control of ourselves to be attracted or disinterested to play casino excessively without control, so casino companies are not involved in wrongdoing because they are not forcing someone to register a gambling member or not. All decisions are up to each one of them, so don't be influenced by anything that makes us active gambling addicts.

This is exactly what I am talking about. Although our environment throws many triggers and distractions to us, if we put our mind to it on really fighting against the urge to gamble, then we could probably make the fight. But, if we just let our guard down and be drawn to the influences, then we are really to be doomed.


Title: Re: Gambling addiction causing victim to scam his family
Post by: bitzizzix on May 20, 2022, 01:37:14 PM
The gambler are to blame....

He had the option to go out to get a second job, that would have kept him busy...not having the extra time to gamble... but he decided to rather scam money out of his family and friends and now he wants to shift the blame to the people who offered him the opportunity to gamble.

This is typical of the new thinking of people... "Always a victim" .... never taking the responsibility for their actions. We have the freedom to make choices...and he took the wrong option.  ::)
Yes, he is a gambler who is wrong, problematic and also irresponsible for harming or sacrificing others even his own family just for the wrong pleasure which I think he has become the acute trigger and does not think about what will happen next.
it doesn't matter if the gambling site is fraudulent or wrong, because what needs to be smart is the user without doing research and also thinking clean.


Title: Re: Gambling addiction causing victim to scam his family
Post by: Findingnemo on May 20, 2022, 01:43:08 PM
What the gambling site did was wrong but at the end of the day they didn't force him to scam so the addiction made him to scam so he can't sue the sportbook for his immoral actions which can never be justified. We all should have self discipline in everything because we are in control of our actions.
^ One of the main factors that cause this for sure is greediness, don't let this will happen, and stop your greediness at all times.
You will never be justified in the end if you will chase money in gambling and when you left nothing, that is the time you will for sure commit crimes and even your family is the number one victim. Moderately gambling is the right way to control yourself, it should start with yourself on how to control it.
The story shows how will educate ourselves in gambling, that was an advantage to all of us here because we are aware of others' mistakes and avoid not will happen to us.
Everyone has the greediness but most know that what are their limits so they don't dare to commit such crimes while some who is ready to do anything to satisfy their needs may find in those situations. Educating the community in the early stage itself can save people from doing this in their adult but nobody really cares in this selfish world.


Title: Re: Gambling addiction causing victim to scam his family
Post by: Slow death on May 20, 2022, 02:13:07 PM
Reading this news I see that many parts of the story are cut or incomplete. The guy was addicted to alcohol and gambling.

But why aren't they blaming the companies that make alcoholic beverages?

why are they just blaming the casino?

in the article it doesn't mention if he lost all the money after receiving the bonus and also in the article it doesn't mention if he was playing online or in the physical casino and also in the article it doesn't mention if he had medical proof that he was addicted to gambling and alcohol , it seems to me that every article is someone's opinion without being based on evidence, I'm talking about the addictions part, even if the guy has pleaded guilty and also he considers himself addicted until he has a doctor to prove that he really is an addict so he's not an addict, so I ask the same question again:

Did the guy show any medical documents to the casino to say he was addicted? Did he show this to some alcohol company to get all alcohol companies and bars to stop selling him alcohol?

people always blame gambling sites when it comes to addiction, but they forget that there are a lot of guys who are addicted to alcohol and i have never seen it said that alcohol companies should stop selling alcohol to person Z because he is addicted


Title: Re: Gambling addiction causing victim to scam his family
Post by: rhomelmabini on May 20, 2022, 02:40:00 PM
I thought casinos are good at this and they wouldn't let anyone penetrate such kind of stuffs, but hey there are few who does count. Casinos should have problem gambling experts to identify this people rather than letting them play, it's the person has to be blame for what happened at the end of the day and by the way, he plead guilty for that.


Title: Re: Gambling addiction causing victim to scam his family
Post by: Don Pedro Dinero on May 20, 2022, 03:14:01 PM
I refuse to see individuals like the one described as victims. We can always see the wrongdoer as a victim. In this case a victim of alcohol and gambling. Many child abusers were abused as children. We can see them as victims too. Same for murderers and whatever else we want. We can always find an external factor to blame.

In this case the Sports Bet website is partly to blame for continuing to contact him despite wanting to close the account, but he is to blame for scamming his friend. Alcohol and gambling can get you into trouble but virtually no one who drinks, gambles, or both, scams their friends to gamble. 

To consider alcohol, gambling or drugs as the culprits is in reality giving alibis to criminals, as every criminal drinks, takes drugs and/or gambles.


Title: Re: Gambling addiction causing victim to scam his family
Post by: Finestream on May 20, 2022, 07:04:35 PM
Here the gambler is wrong. As a means of promotion gambling platforms used to give free betting bonuses. If this bonus have been given knowing that the user is gonna end gambling, then the gambling platform too is wrong. Myself too have similar experience playing with bonus when I was in long break from gambling, and from my experience it is always good to have self control.
I think the blame should only be put to the gambler alone. He cannot control himself from its addiction that end up making wrong decisions. However, on the part of the casino, i have encounter some of the gambling platforms who are offering some bonuses, and its up to you if you will bite it or refuse to accept it. So definitely the final decision is still in the hands of the gambler. And here, the gambler also takes advantage of the offer, so that caused him too much addiction that he end up scamming which i think he is the only one responsible for his own actions.


Title: Re: Gambling addiction causing victim to scam his family
Post by: stadus on May 20, 2022, 07:09:15 PM
We are in control of ourselves to be attracted or disinterested to play casino excessively without control, so casino companies are not involved in wrongdoing because they are not forcing someone to register a gambling member or not. All decisions are up to each one of them, so don't be influenced by anything that makes us active gambling addicts.

This is exactly what I am talking about. Although our environment throws many triggers and distractions to us, if we put our mind to it on really fighting against the urge to gamble, then we could probably make the fight. But, if we just let our guard down and be drawn to the influences, then we are really to be doomed.

One good way to keep ourselves away from doing these gambling activities is to keep some safe distance to our circles who also gamble because they will be the ones who will influence us to gamble and join them. Keeping some good distance will somehow help ourselves to survive our own battles.


Title: Re: Gambling addiction causing victim to scam his family
Post by: Lanatsa on May 20, 2022, 07:51:45 PM
We are in control of ourselves to be attracted or disinterested to play casino excessively without control, so casino companies are not involved in wrongdoing because they are not forcing someone to register a gambling member or not. All decisions are up to each one of them, so don't be influenced by anything that makes us active gambling addicts.

This is exactly what I am talking about. Although our environment throws many triggers and distractions to us, if we put our mind to it on really fighting against the urge to gamble, then we could probably make the fight. But, if we just let our guard down and be drawn to the influences, then we are really to be doomed.

One good way to keep ourselves away from doing these gambling activities is to keep some safe distance to our circles who also gamble because they will be the ones who will influence us to gamble and join them. Keeping some good distance will somehow help ourselves to survive our own battles.
High chances that you would really get influenced if you do really keep yourself in exposure with these kind of people but it does really vary on someones self control because there are people who are really good on
handling out themselves towards on things on what they are seeing on whats in front and as long they are aware then they wouldnt definitely making out theirselves to be that addicted since
they do already know the outcome or possible things that might happen ahead.Yes, this wont really be that simple but having that control and discipline isnt something
that impossible for it to be done.


Title: Re: Gambling addiction causing victim to scam his family
Post by: Renampun on May 20, 2022, 08:05:50 PM
The gambler in the article happens to play in a corrupt casino, the casino knows that he is betting huge and they want to bait him into coming back by giving him a lot of promotions and free bets since he is a compulsive gambler and an offer like this is hard to refuse, I don't think even if there are no promotions coming in, he will stop playing and will continue to scam his family.
Taking a vacation from gambling is not the right way to cure a compulsive gambler, he needs the guidance of a professional who will devise task and gives him medicine to stop his urge to play.

if he is quickly treated by a professional psychiatrist then it is ensured that he will not fall into a big loss that makes his family lose...

I've seen people addicted to gambling, drugs and women. they really made his life and family miserable. nothing can save them (addicts) unless they have a strong will to quit the thing that makes them addicted (even vacations won't be strong enough).


Title: Re: Gambling addiction causing victim to scam his family
Post by: wiss19 on May 20, 2022, 09:15:10 PM
I think there is no need to scam his family because it was his own family anyway but he can just borrow money and im sure that his family will lend him some money. Scamming is already a wrong thing to do but it becomes very wrong if it is done on your own family. A few part of the story sounds familiar to me.

I know, there was also a guy that complains that he continues to receive gambling mails from one gambling site despite of exclusion. The gambling site admitted their mistake and I think they have offered compensation to the guy that lost most of his money. On this story here, boyle sports can do the same thing. That should lessen the pain that the gambler feel and helps to close the case early.


Title: Re: Gambling addiction causing victim to scam his family
Post by: jostorres on May 20, 2022, 09:30:12 PM
Man, I've heard more awful horror stories about gambling addiction.
In my country, a gambling addict killed his girlfriend, because she found out that he is stealing money from her, in order to gamble.
He cut her body into pieces and tried to deceive the police, but the police caught him. I understand that he was an addict, but what kind of sociopathic monster would kill own girlfriend, just because she found out that he was stealing money from her.
Many gambling and drug addicts had stolen money from their friends and families. I don't know who to blame in that case. The addicts? The gambling industry? Their friends and families, for not helping them fight their addiction? I guess that we have to put the blame on everyone.
He is addict? I mean aside from being addicted in gambling, he also take drugs? Drugs can make someone sick and they can now do more crimes easily but if he didn't take any drugs before he do the crime then he is indeed a sociopath/psychopath monster or whatever term you called it. Girls are mostly innocent but can only be influenced by their boyfriends.

Maybe the guy taught the girl to gamble and the girl eventually became addicted to it? It was the guy's fault at the first place so he shouldn't kill his girl for this reason. Money can always be replaced but not the life or body once it stops breathing. The guy was also addicted so I believe that he also commit the same crime which is stealing money, from his girl or to someone else.


Title: Re: Gambling addiction causing victim to scam his family
Post by: ultrloa on May 20, 2022, 09:45:44 PM
The gambler in the article happens to play in a corrupt casino, the casino knows that he is betting huge and they want to bait him into coming back by giving him a lot of promotions and free bets since he is a compulsive gambler and an offer like this is hard to refuse, I don't think even if there are no promotions coming in, he will stop playing and will continue to scam his family.
Taking a vacation from gambling is not the right way to cure a compulsive gambler, he needs the guidance of a professional who will devise task and gives him medicine to stop his urge to play.

if he is quickly treated by a professional psychiatrist then it is ensured that he will not fall into a big loss that makes his family lose...

I've seen people addicted to gambling, drugs and women. they really made his life and family miserable. nothing can save them (addicts) unless they have a strong will to quit the thing that makes them addicted (even vacations won't be strong enough).

Nothing good will be earned if you are addicted to much on anythings so I think what's most effective way to cure addiction is to rehab those people who's sufferinf this. Although this will be hard for the affected person but for sure inside of that institution he will be taken car of mentally and physically for sure he will be a changed man after the healing process.


Title: Re: Gambling addiction causing victim to scam his family
Post by: Silberman on May 20, 2022, 09:49:10 PM
Here is the article:  https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/courtandcrime/arid-40875731.html (https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/courtandcrime/arid-40875731.html)
Apparently Boyle Sports manipulated a man is a very sad way where he ended up loosing all the money he scammed from a family member. The man had probelms with Gambling and he tried to stop by closing the account on the website and at the end of the day they saw him stopping but kept sending him mails and at the same time, they apparently sent him a 50$ free betting which at the end ending up to be awful for him since he started it again and ended up loosing all the fortune. The whole things is extremely complex like Some Sherlock Holmes story. The person was not infact gullible since to fuel his gambling addiction he scammed his family member and then went to court and pleaded guilty as well blamed it all on the Boyle Sports.
What do you think who was in the wrong ?
I think both the bettor and the Boyle Sports were in the wrong.
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It was established that the two accounts, to which the payments totalling €56,000 were made, were a personal bank account and a Boyle Sports account, both in Thomas O’Connell’s name. The payments varied from €100 to €1000 and averaged at just over €200.
“Contact was almost on a daily basis – sometimes a couple of times on a particular day. He admitted that he took €56,000 and impersonated (the solicitor),” Det. Garda Fuller said. O’Connell was actually a client of the solicitor he impersonated. The defendant had a gambling and alcohol addiction.
The phone calls and texts – supposedly from the solicitor - to the victim were a work of fiction by 48-year-old Thomas O’Connell who did not stop until he got his hands on every euro of the €56,000 the victim had inherited.


This is a difficult case, were the actions of the casino legal? Were they allowed to send a free bet to those gamblers that decided to close their account? While we know that morally this is wrong, especially when we are talking about a person addicted to gambling, if there is nothing written in the law that forbids this then the casino is legally blameless, which means that most of the responsibility falls with the addicted gambler which could not admit to himself his condition and instead decided to scam a very important sum of money from another person, I hope he receives the help he needs and he repays with interest all the money he stole as the amount stolen is not small at all.


Title: Re: Gambling addiction causing victim to scam his family
Post by: Mauser on May 21, 2022, 07:34:36 AM
That is a very sad story and the bookmaker Boyle Sports is definitely at fault here. Sending 50 Euro free bets to man struggling with gambling addiction every time he is trying to stop gambling seems like abuse. From a marketing point of view I understand the company, it is normal practice to give out things for free to get more customers, or to get old customers excited again. However, if the person is struggling with a gambling addiction than things should be a little different. There should be an option for every gambler to inform the bookmaker or the casino that you are fighting an addiction and trying to stop gambling for a time. I saw some online casinos have a panic button, where you can log yourself out for 24h up to 180 days. Having something similar for all the bookmakers would be a good idea, like that you could prevent yourself from betting and gambling for a longer period of time. And the casino should of course not reopen the account before the period is over.


Title: Re: Gambling addiction causing victim to scam his family
Post by: Markinzo on May 21, 2022, 07:42:30 AM
If I should open a business today I believe I'll like my business to blossom through certain bonuses and price reductions I feel my consumers would really fall for.
So should a consumer walk into my business center and patronize me due to my strategy I applied in my business wich is legit in the business world, should I be blame as for any means the customer used in getting the money he/she used in coming to petronize my business ???

Or do you expect I should be the one at loss and end up running out of business? No!
So I see no fault in anyway from the side of the gambling company from the actions of the so-called gambler. He's just a greedy gambler, that's all.


Title: Re: Gambling addiction causing victim to scam his family
Post by: xSkylarx on May 21, 2022, 07:45:37 AM
The gambler in the article happens to play in a corrupt casino, the casino knows that he is betting huge and they want to bait him into coming back by giving him a lot of promotions and free bets since he is a compulsive gambler and an offer like this is hard to refuse, I don't think even if there are no promotions coming in, he will stop playing and will continue to scam his family.
Taking a vacation from gambling is not the right way to cure a compulsive gambler, he needs the guidance of a professional who will devise task and gives him medicine to stop his urge to play.

if he is quickly treated by a professional psychiatrist then it is ensured that he will not fall into a big loss that makes his family lose...

I've seen people addicted to gambling, drugs and women. they really made his life and family miserable. nothing can save them (addicts) unless they have a strong will to quit the thing that makes them addicted (even vacations won't be strong enough).

Nothing good will be earned if you are addicted to much on anythings so I think what's most effective way to cure addiction is to rehab those people who's sufferinf this. Although this will be hard for the affected person but for sure inside of that institution he will be taken car of mentally and physically for sure he will be a changed man after the healing process.

Yeah, I agree with this, but if the gambler can still manage his addiction, there is no need. As you can see in the story, I could say that he can first control his addiction because he really stopped playing. What triggers him is the emails. In addiction, even though you can really manage it well, if it triggers with something you can't stop it. That's happened to him and it is very sad that he swindled his family. This guy should go to rehab and also try to sue the website since they keep sending emails although he already closed his account.


Title: Re: Gambling addiction causing victim to scam his family
Post by: Lordhermes on May 21, 2022, 08:36:49 AM
This is a problem that most person's are facing because of gambling.I have been a victim of this circumstances before.I played and lose game to virtual,and had no other choice,but to scam my family to give me money.Because the money I used for the gambling was my house rent,therefore,scamming my people was the only thing I could do to get the money back.
Gambling addiction is very bad for gamblers,because it can make you sell your valuable assets.I f we could run from gambling,it would have been the best advice for every gambler.


Title: Re: Gambling addiction causing victim to scam his family
Post by: Wexnident on May 21, 2022, 10:07:07 AM
This is a problem that most person's are facing because of gambling.I have been a victim of this circumstances before.I played and lose game to virtual,and had no other choice,but to scam my family to give me money.Because the money I used for the gambling was my house rent,therefore,scamming my people was the only thing I could do to get the money back.
Gambling addiction is very bad for gamblers,because it can make you sell your valuable assets.I f we could run from gambling,it would have been the best advice for every gambler.
And imo, it shouldn't be normal. It just kind of seem odd to me how scamming your family becomes something you turn to just because of addiction. There's a line where you can determine whether you're getting addicted or not imo, and if you chose to cross that, then that just means the fault lies in you.

I don't even think selling valuable assets is the problem with addiction. It's the fact that you lose yourself, wanting to do whatever the addiction you have is related to. Losing yourself is basically the same as saying "fuck this life" and doing it in action.


Title: Re: Gambling addiction causing victim to scam his family
Post by: MonaLeeTracy on May 21, 2022, 10:28:28 AM
Basically, people find it difficult to stop gambling because of acute addiction because of their adrenaline. The sensation of being able to win a gambling game, the feeling of tension during the game and the desire to replay the sensation are things that can beat common sense. Obviously, all gamblers never like the word LOSE, even those who are addicted to gambling will still continue to bet even though the dealer always wins. People who are addicted to gambling say that, even if their losses pile up, there is a feeling that brings them back to the card table or slot machine.


Title: Re: Gambling addiction causing victim to scam his family
Post by: AicecreaME on May 21, 2022, 11:06:27 AM
This is such an unfortunate event. Having a family member fool and betray you just for the sake of entertainment is enraging. This just proves that players really have to be mentally healthy before entering gambling. One must have a strong discipline and self-restraint if he wants to gamble. Because it is really known that gambling could be addicting. Just like any other hobby, if not managed well, it can be destructive instead of beneficial.

I hope the gambler gets the rehabilitation that he needs in order to survive this phase of his life. Gambling addiction is no joke and professional help and intervention of those knowledgeable about it is necessary in order for the victim to be in great shape again.


Title: Re: Gambling addiction causing victim to scam his family
Post by: KTChampions on May 21, 2022, 11:35:56 AM
Why should a business think about those who misuse its products? What can you say about fast food and those who are addicted to it? Obviously they have huge negative consequences - obesity and related health problems. But are food manufacturers to blame? I think no. And attempts to extend responsibility to normal market participants will harm, first of all, ordinary normal consumers, that is, everyone will be punished except for those who have an addiction.
Food producers are not to be blamed, but at least they can advise the public about the meaning of health. That means they can provide education to the public while selling their products.
~

Why would they do this shit? In addition, in modern conditions it is dangerous, because if you offend any group of people, you can be canceled and subjected to harassment. How fast do you think a food manufacturer will get into trouble if he says that obesity is not healthy and not the norm?

https://i.ibb.co/WsS6BMG/healthy.png


Title: Re: Gambling addiction causing victim to scam his family
Post by: mindrust on May 21, 2022, 11:42:46 AM
I thought casinos are good at this and they wouldn't let anyone penetrate such kind of stuffs, but hey there are few who does count. Casinos should have problem gambling experts to identify this people rather than letting them play, it's the person has to be blame for what happened at the end of the day and by the way, he plead guilty for that.

Why would the casino owner care about this at all? The only thing matters for the casino is the profits they make and they make most of their money from the gambling addicts like the guy which OP's telling us about. If you see any casino which promotes responsible gambling and other crap like that, know that it is only for show. They don't do such thing. Rehabilitating the gambling addicts would destroy the whole gambling industry. It is not happening.


Title: Re: Gambling addiction causing victim to scam his family
Post by: zidanw on May 21, 2022, 12:13:39 PM

In short, self control and discipline could enable a gamble to disregard any distractions and triggers that could lead to relapse into gambling addiction. This is challenging in all actuality, so seeking every needed hep possible is really crucial to walk towards soberness, and even preventing things such as this one in OP from happening. By doing so, gamblers with addiction do not only help themselves alone, but also the people around them as well.


Title: Re: Gambling addiction causing victim to scam his family
Post by: romero121 on May 21, 2022, 12:31:18 PM
I thought casinos are good at this and they wouldn't let anyone penetrate such kind of stuffs, but hey there are few who does count. Casinos should have problem gambling experts to identify this people rather than letting them play, it's the person has to be blame for what happened at the end of the day and by the way, he plead guilty for that.

Why would the casino owner care about this at all? The only thing matters for the casino is the profits they make and they make most of their money from the gambling addicts like the guy which OP's telling us about. If you see any casino which promotes responsible gambling and other crap like that, know that it is only for show. They don't do such thing. Rehabilitating the gambling addicts would destroy the whole gambling industry. It is not happening.
Rehabilitation of the gambling addicts won't make any big destruction to the gambling industry. Unless the gambling addicts doesn't have self control, even the rehabilitation program is useless/ineffective to them. If I'm not wrong, 3 gambling addicts out of ten will successfully cone out of gambling addiction through rehabilitation program. The key focus of the gambling site owners were profit, with that in mind we need to play. If we're profiting little, just enjoy it and never get into greed on the small win.


Title: Re: Gambling addiction causing victim to scam his family
Post by: Jawhead999 on May 21, 2022, 12:31:58 PM
I feel bad for the family because the family didn't gambling addicts, but they got a consequence from the addict. I believe the family already warn him to not gambling and ask him to seek a professional, but due to his greediness he didn't care anything including his family. I think it's better if the family kick the addict, so they wouldn't get any problem from this man.


Title: Re: Gambling addiction causing victim to scam his family
Post by: Johnyz on May 21, 2022, 12:58:54 PM
People who are addicted to gambling say that, even if their losses pile up, there is a feeling that brings them back to the card table or slot machine.
It looks like your problem can't be solve anymore if you are already on this state, but in reality there's still a chance for you so don't give up yet and try to push yourself to stop gambling and slowly, recover from that addiction. You don't need to ended up like a broke one, if you made a mistake of scamming your family that's alright, ask for forgiveness and pay them back once you recovered. Please, if you know someone on a situation like this, you can still help them and don't every try to discourage them because gambling addiction is not a joke at all.


Title: Re: Gambling addiction causing victim to scam his family
Post by: DoublerHunter on May 21, 2022, 01:05:44 PM
I feel bad for the family because the family didn't gambling addicts, but they got a consequence from the addict. I believe the family already warn him to not gambling and ask him to seek a professional, but due to his greediness he didn't care anything including his family. I think it's better if the family kick the addict, so they wouldn't get any problem from this man.
^ Rehabilitation is the best answer to this, anxiety becomes a trigger of greediness and greediness will trigger to commit crimes.
Gambling addictions are not that easy to cure, they will heal in just a matter of time and probably in the rehabilitation center gambling addicts will forget what is the cause of their addiction. Kicking is not a solution, whatever happens, still, that is your bloodline, your family, the only way is to cure him and stop him from his addiction.


Title: Re: Gambling addiction causing victim to scam his family
Post by: Maslate on May 21, 2022, 01:11:43 PM
I feel bad for the family because the family didn't gambling addicts, but they got a consequence from the addict. I believe the family already warn him to not gambling and ask him to seek a professional, but due to his greediness he didn't care anything including his family. I think it's better if the family kick the addict, so they wouldn't get any problem from this man.
^ Rehabilitation is the best answer to this, anxiety becomes a trigger of greediness and greediness will trigger to commit crimes.
Gambling addictions are not that easy to cure, they will heal in just a matter of time and probably in the rehabilitation center gambling addicts will forget what is the cause of their addiction. Kicking is not a solution, whatever happens, still, that is your bloodline, your family, the only way is to cure him and stop him from his addiction.
That's why prevention is always better than cure. And as a gambler, we can prevent getting addicted if we educate ourselves first before we start gambling, knowing the risk is very important so we will be able to limit ourselves, yes, winning is very rewarding but not knowing the risk will certainly expose us to a bigger problem in the future.


Title: Re: Gambling addiction causing victim to scam his family
Post by: Tumanggor on May 21, 2022, 01:16:48 PM
Here is the article:  https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/courtandcrime/arid-40875731.html (https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/courtandcrime/arid-40875731.html)
Apparently Boyle Sports manipulated a man is a very sad way where he ended up loosing all the money he scammed from a family member.
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The gambling business has a very tough competition so what Boyle Sport did was not entirely a mistake, it was their trick to attract users to keep using their platform

I said it was bad luck because he (the victim) couldn't control himself to gamble when he found the email in his inbox. all things (bad or good) that happen to us are purely the fault of personal decision making, external causes have only a minor role imo


Title: Re: Gambling addiction causing victim to scam his family
Post by: 24Kt on May 21, 2022, 01:23:38 PM
Here is the article:  https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/courtandcrime/arid-40875731.html (https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/courtandcrime/arid-40875731.html)
Apparently Boyle Sports manipulated a man is a very sad way where he ended up loosing all the money he scammed from a family member.
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The gambling business has a very tough competition so what Boyle Sport did was not entirely a mistake, it was their trick to attract users to keep using their platform

I said it was bad luck because he (the victim) couldn't control himself to gamble when he found the email in his inbox. all things (bad or good) that happen to us are purely the fault of personal decision making, external causes have only a minor role imo

Because at the end of the day, it is you who will do the act of scamming someone, even if it is a family member, just to feed your desires in gambling. Most of the time, these gamblers are not seeing the logic of what they are doing. As long as he can get money to supply his gambling addiction, he will. But of course, if you are a responsible gambler, you won't do such act. It is easy to say if you are not in the situation, so if you are into gambling, make sure you know your limits before you go deep that you can't even pull yourself up.


Title: Re: Gambling addiction causing victim to scam his family
Post by: Peanutswar on May 21, 2022, 02:36:20 PM
I feel bad for the family because the family didn't gambling addicts, but they got a consequence from the addict. I believe the family already warn him to not gambling and ask him to seek a professional, but due to his greediness he didn't care anything including his family. I think it's better if the family kick the addict, so they wouldn't get any problem from this man.

This is a personal decision of the player of course we cannot remove the urge to him/her to play gambling and the only people will suffer is the player and the people in their environment because if this particular person losses a game for sure it really hits hard to gain back those losses.  If this might happen to one of your friends or family member it is ideal to guide them in the proper way to make sure they will not do the same mistakes.


Title: Re: Gambling addiction causing victim to scam his family
Post by: TheGreatPython on May 21, 2022, 02:49:51 PM
Yes, gamblers should take full responsibility just like shopaholics, alcoholics and other people with addictions. If we start dividing this responsibility between those who advertise (of their product which, when used in reasonable quantities, does no harm) with people who consume it uncontrollably and face unpleasant consequences, we will harm all parties.
Same in cigarette advertisements - "smoking is dangerous to your health"
Same in liquor advertisements - "drink moderately"

Some gambling sites also have a banner or terms pointing to "gamble moderately" or "responsible gambling". Since these companies are promoting their products and services, obviously they won't say stop doing this or that.

We, as a consumer and clients, should be responsible for what we are doing.
Even if they don't say stop gambling, saying gambling responsibly is already a big thing so I salute all gambling companies that have this warning. They are not afraid that people will follow it, making their incomes to get lessen. In the meantime there are still hard headed people that won't follow this advice or any other advices that they hear from their colleagues.

In the story that OP brought to us, the guy would end up his gambling journey if not because of that single email he received. I salute that act because it shows that he is willing to change but scamming your family member or even other people is still not right but I hope he will also stop it. We can give this guy another chance to change his life.


Title: Re: Gambling addiction causing victim to scam his family
Post by: Slow death on May 21, 2022, 02:54:48 PM
I thought casinos are good at this and they wouldn't let anyone penetrate such kind of stuffs, but hey there are few who does count. Casinos should have problem gambling experts to identify this people rather than letting them play...

think about the following:

A casino can have thousands of customers (players), but a casino is not in a position to hire thousands of employees to guess who can be addicted to gambling or not. there is no way that any casino employee has this kind of supernatural ability and I also doubt that there is any software that determines who are addicted to gambling, I gave an example of alcohol, there are hundreds of people who are addicted to alcohol and who die every day. but they never banned all alcohol companies because the problem is not with the alcohol companies. i think this art is putting things like it's the casinos fault when in fact it's the gambler who became addicted to gambling


Title: Re: Gambling addiction causing victim to scam his family
Post by: qwertyup23 on May 21, 2022, 03:52:54 PM
I feel bad for the family because the family didn't gambling addicts, but they got a consequence from the addict. I believe the family already warn him to not gambling and ask him to seek a professional, but due to his greediness he didn't care anything including his family. I think it's better if the family kick the addict, so they wouldn't get any problem from this man.
^ Rehabilitation is the best answer to this, anxiety becomes a trigger of greediness and greediness will trigger to commit crimes.
Gambling addictions are not that easy to cure, they will heal in just a matter of time and probably in the rehabilitation center gambling addicts will forget what is the cause of their addiction. Kicking is not a solution, whatever happens, still, that is your bloodline, your family, the only way is to cure him and stop him from his addiction.

I do agree with you that rehabilitation may be the way in order to combat addiction.

Unfortunately, the only way to combat any type of addiction are rehab and constant support from their peers. You have to constantly reassure them that you will always be supporting their new ways in order for them to fully realize their mistake. Helping them coping with their addiction is one thing, but true realization from the addict himself is another.

You really have to create an environment that will at least help them reduce the chance of any relapse and be understanding also at the moment because addiction is a sickness that must be treated as soon as possible.


Title: Re: Gambling addiction causing victim to scam his family
Post by: BITCOIN4X on May 21, 2022, 04:00:14 PM
Gambling has a very negative impact when the gambler is not able to control his urge not to gamble all the time. Everyone might hope that no gambler ends up in a lot of trouble especially if they are just betting for fun, but actually it gets out of hand when winning money is the goal.

I completely agree about some sites giving warnings to their customers to gamble responsibly, that is one thing that might be a good thing for any casino to consider for its customers. It's true that ultimately self-control and finances become difficult, but the casino is not to blame. We must take responsibility for all the decisions we make and accept the consequences. I think one of the impacts of irresponsible gambling cases is the one being discussed by the OP.


Title: Re: Gambling addiction causing victim to scam his family
Post by: $crypto$ on May 21, 2022, 04:06:25 PM
Gambling has a very negative impact when the gambler is not able to control his urge not to gamble all the time. Everyone might hope that no gambler ends up in a lot of trouble especially if they are just betting for fun, but actually it gets out of hand when winning money is the goal.

I completely agree about some sites giving warnings to their customers to gamble responsibly, that is one thing that might be a good thing for any casino to consider for its customers. It's true that ultimately self-control and finances become difficult, but the casino is not to blame. We must take responsibility for all the decisions we make and accept the consequences. I think one of the impacts of irresponsible gambling cases is the one being discussed by the OP.
We as customers must know all about what we are responsible for and gambling is definitely an addiction, but if it is all under control then it will not cause a big negative because we can control and know the responsibilities that are being carried out.

There have been many victims, now more and more problems are from gambling because I always see the news that gambling always has fatal consequences if it is not controlled, but indeed the casino has warned so it is all our responsibility.


Title: Re: Gambling addiction causing victim to scam his family
Post by: Mahanton on May 21, 2022, 06:05:36 PM
I feel bad for the family because the family didn't gambling addicts, but they got a consequence from the addict. I believe the family already warn him to not gambling and ask him to seek a professional, but due to his greediness he didn't care anything including his family. I think it's better if the family kick the addict, so they wouldn't get any problem from this man.
^ Rehabilitation is the best answer to this, anxiety becomes a trigger of greediness and greediness will trigger to commit crimes.
Gambling addictions are not that easy to cure, they will heal in just a matter of time and probably in the rehabilitation center gambling addicts will forget what is the cause of their addiction. Kicking is not a solution, whatever happens, still, that is your bloodline, your family, the only way is to cure him and stop him from his addiction.

I do agree with you that rehabilitation may be the way in order to combat addiction.

Unfortunately, the only way to combat any type of addiction are rehab and constant support from their peers. You have to constantly reassure them that you will always be supporting their new ways in order for them to fully realize their mistake. Helping them coping with their addiction is one thing, but true realization from the addict himself is another.

You really have to create an environment that will at least help them reduce the chance of any relapse and be understanding also at the moment because addiction is a sickness that must be treated as soon as possible.
Before going into some rehab decision then it would be better if that addicted someone should really be accepting and realizing on the mistakes that he had done because we know that
professional services isnt something cheap for most people but for those who had money then they wont really be bothering themselves on getting one specially on a family which does have
good status in terms of finances. Your family is the main people who could really help you if you wont able to help yourself in the first place but its sad that you wont really be
giving out exemptions on who would you gonna stole funds with. lol


Title: Re: Gambling addiction causing victim to scam his family
Post by: roslinpl on May 21, 2022, 11:58:16 PM
Like this things should be avoided by the players in gambling. The gamblers should give 80 percentage of money to their family, which depends on him. Rest 15-20 percentage can be spend on your own. It can be used for the gambling or for your enjoyment. Because the risk taking can be happened using the extra money. You can also use the money for your luxuries dresses .


Title: Re: Gambling addiction causing victim to scam his family
Post by: robelneo on May 22, 2022, 12:45:11 AM
Here is the article:  https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/courtandcrime/arid-40875731.html (https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/courtandcrime/arid-40875731.html)
Apparently Boyle Sports manipulated a man is a very sad way where he ended up loosing all the money he scammed from a family member.
He must prove to the court that the manipulation existed and he is targeted and it's not a system error or glitch all the other casinos experienced malfunction like this, it's on the server or email provider if they subscribed to one.


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The man had problems with Gambling and he tried to stop by closing the account on the website and at the end of the day they saw him stopping but kept sending him mails and at the same time, they apparently sent him a 50$ free betting which at the end ending up to be awful for him since he started it again and ended up loosing all the fortune.

Closing his account will not stop him from gambling he can still play on the other casinos the symptoms and addiction is still there it will not go away by just closing a gambling account


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The whole things is extremely complex like Some Sherlock Holmes story. The person was not infact gullible since to fuel his gambling addiction he scammed his family member and then went to court and pleaded guilty as well blamed it all on the Boyle Sports.
What do you think who was in the wrong ?

Obviously, the guy is the one who scams, the casino has nothing to do with his action, they act as a casino and we all know that they have disclaimers and warnings, this will save them for any future case.




Title: Re: Gambling addiction causing victim to scam his family
Post by: lienfaye on May 22, 2022, 01:05:29 AM
The gambling business has a very tough competition so what Boyle Sport did was not entirely a mistake, it was their trick to attract users to keep using their platform
Its not new actually because many casinos has similar strategy to keep the gamblers playing on their platform. Im also receiving mails from these gambling sites offering their promotion or bonuses to attract me. But im not the type who will bite the offer without thinking because its important that we have control.

I said it was bad luck because he (the victim) couldn't control himself to gamble when he found the email in his inbox. all things (bad or good) that happen to us are purely the fault of personal decision making, external causes have only a minor role imo
Indeed. The gambler itself is the one driving his life hence it happened because its his choice. If you became addicted its your fault for not limiting yourself and worse you scammed your family just to feed your addiction.


Title: Re: Gambling addiction causing victim to scam his family
Post by: yazher on May 22, 2022, 06:08:08 AM
That's why prevention is always better than cure. And as a gambler, we can prevent getting addicted if we educate ourselves first before we start gambling, knowing the risk is very important so we will be able to limit ourselves, yes, winning is very rewarding but not knowing the risk will certainly expose us to a bigger problem in the future.

That's why when we know the risk is higher than the benefit, that's when we stop ourselves from doing more actions that will ruin our life because a small step backward will mean a lot when you decide to step further and realize you should have not done it so. Nowadays we only think good in the future without realizing and thinking of some plan B if something goes wrong but sometimes plan B doesn't work at all so it's better to stop that thinking of a way to get out from it once things have gotten worse.


Title: Re: Gambling addiction causing victim to scam his family
Post by: stadus on May 22, 2022, 08:31:22 AM
We are in control of ourselves to be attracted or disinterested to play casino excessively without control, so casino companies are not involved in wrongdoing because they are not forcing someone to register a gambling member or not. All decisions are up to each one of them, so don't be influenced by anything that makes us active gambling addicts.

This is exactly what I am talking about. Although our environment throws many triggers and distractions to us, if we put our mind to it on really fighting against the urge to gamble, then we could probably make the fight. But, if we just let our guard down and be drawn to the influences, then we are really to be doomed.

One good way to keep ourselves away from doing these gambling activities is to keep some safe distance to our circles who also gamble because they will be the ones who will influence us to gamble and join them. Keeping some good distance will somehow help ourselves to survive our own battles.
High chances that you would really get influenced if you do really keep yourself in exposure with these kind of people but it does really vary on someones self control because there are people who are really good on
handling out themselves towards on things on what they are seeing on whats in front and as long they are aware then they wouldnt definitely making out theirselves to be that addicted since
they do already know the outcome or possible things that might happen ahead.Yes, this wont really be that simple but having that control and discipline isnt something
that impossible for it to be done.

Yes mate, it varies from the people if how strong is their will to decline some offers of their friends, but mostly people are still indulging because they are swayed easily from their friends that influence them to do some gamble again even if you yourself knows that your trying hard to participate again. That's why it is much more safer to practice a safe distance so that the chances is somehow greater.


Title: Re: Gambling addiction causing victim to scam his family
Post by: madnessteat on May 22, 2022, 08:35:11 AM
I think that this situation is the fault of the gambler because if he really wanted to give up gambling he would when receiving emails from the casino added them to spam or not read them. He couldn't resist the bait the casino gave him and got into trouble again.

So if you have decided to give up gambling, you need to change your lifestyle completely. Perhaps even give up the Internet for a while.


Title: Re: Gambling addiction causing victim to scam his family
Post by: jostorres on May 22, 2022, 06:09:20 PM
at the end of the day, it is you who will do the act of scamming someone, even if it is a family member, just to feed your desires in gambling. Most of the time, these gamblers are not seeing the logic of what they are doing. As long as he can get money to supply his gambling addiction, he will. But of course, if you are a responsible gambler, you won't do such act. It is easy to say if you are not in the situation, so if you are into gambling, make sure you know your limits before you go deep that you can't even pull yourself up.
If you don't have a partner in crime then yes you are the only one that can do it. We cant also say that the people or our family member will hand out their money to us because they sense that we are going to do something bad. What happened here is the same to what we always here in the news where a person can rob a house, holdup/kidnapped and do any other crimes only to get money so that they can feed their addictions.

Mostly the criminals are addicted in drugs but taking drugs can also lead for them to gamble and drink alcohol. Indeed it's easy to say for us who are non addicts but we are not addicts because we don't want to. Addicted people can also change if they really wanted too.


Title: Re: Gambling addiction causing victim to scam his family
Post by: Jemzx00 on May 22, 2022, 06:44:13 PM
I think that this situation is the fault of the gambler because if he really wanted to give up gambling he would when receiving emails from the casino added them to spam or not read them. He couldn't resist the bait the casino gave him and got into trouble again.

So if you have decided to give up gambling, you need to change your lifestyle completely. Perhaps even give up the Internet for a while.
In this circumstance, there is in no way the gambling platform or the casino should be at fault as the gambler does all the dirty work and the casino was just the platform used to spend the money. Also, you cannot use to justify that he closed his account but then continue to received email for bonuses as an excuse to blame the company as it usually happens even after closing or discontinue your account. He could also "unsubscribe" to the email to avoid receiving mails from the casino.
Again, the gambler is fully at fault and should be completely liable to what he has done.


Title: Re: Gambling addiction causing victim to scam his family
Post by: Sirait on May 22, 2022, 07:03:40 PM
That's why prevention is always better than cure. And as a gambler, we can prevent getting addicted if we educate ourselves first before we start gambling, knowing the risk is very important so we will be able to limit ourselves, yes, winning is very rewarding but not knowing the risk will certainly expose us to a bigger problem in the future.

That's why when we know the risk is higher than the benefit, that's when we stop ourselves from doing more actions that will ruin our life because a small step backward will mean a lot when you decide to step further and realize you should have not done it so. Nowadays we only think good in the future without realizing and thinking of some plan B if something goes wrong but sometimes plan B doesn't work at all so it's better to stop that thinking of a way to get out from it once things have gotten worse.
pondering for a moment is the best moment for us to evaluate all the things we have done but I doubt the person who mentioned the OP understands this trick. I often do this (reflecting) when what I do, the results don't match, and usually I will get an answer when I reflect on the things I have done. many people unknowingly fall into the trap and get caught up in gambling addiction is a thing that can bring misery (family and personal).


Title: Re: Gambling addiction causing victim to scam his family
Post by: Oceat on May 22, 2022, 07:09:45 PM
It's clear that the gambler has a problem in the first place since he was addicted already plus he is not thru with it yet. Then a simple message from the casino would trigger the feeling of a compulsive gambler and since he can't do anything about it even if he lost more than he can afford to lose. That's why if you have a bad feeling when starting to play gambling trust your guts because that's true. In the long run, you will still be the one who can control yourself.


Title: Re: Gambling addiction causing victim to scam his family
Post by: lalabotax on May 22, 2022, 08:14:33 PM
I really feel bad of this because he must scam his own family. I am sure that he is addicted in gambilng moreover because he seems doesn't care to do crimes, he only wanted money. Does it so sad to know?
Btw this kind of crimes because of gambling may be not new. In fact, there may be many more cases lije this oitside but not unveiled by the media. The addicted gamblers will do whatever to get money, even making bad things to their family members.
That is why we must be able to manage ourself to not being addicted. But seeing from the case, why the gambling platform does that thing although he at first wanted to quit? 


Title: Re: Gambling addiction causing victim to scam his family
Post by: crzy on May 22, 2022, 08:19:34 PM
It's clear that the gambler has a problem in the first place since he was addicted already plus he is not thru with it yet. Then a simple message from the casino would trigger the feeling of a compulsive gambler and since he can't do anything about it even if he lost more than he can afford to lose. That's why if you have a bad feeling when starting to play gambling trust your guts because that's true. In the long run, you will still be the one who can control yourself.
Addicted gambler will always be triggered by a small promotions and this one turns to a bad one. Scamming your family is not good at all but I hope his family will still forgive him and help him recover from this addiction. Gambling is really risky, it can make you addict and suffer financially and mentally so if you don’t want to end up like this better to start controlling yourself and just have a budget every time you gamble.


Title: Re: Gambling addiction causing victim to scam his family
Post by: safari88 on May 22, 2022, 08:25:38 PM
Many people blame sites for better management, but in the end only one player is responsible for the losses of the whole and that is the player himself. It's understandable that he wants to put the blame on gambling sites, but if you're addicted to gambling then you should really go to therapy to help yourself.


Title: Re: Gambling addiction causing victim to scam his family
Post by: ajochems on May 22, 2022, 08:37:55 PM
Why you think it’s emotional. No one here scamming the people scamming anyone. They earning hardly and spending little amount for the family and making their own choices for the enjoyment. Nothing is a sad one, you need to do the own earning for your life. Without money, people won’t spend or enjoy. Enjoyments need money, gambling also the part of enjoyment for the gamblers.


Title: Re: Gambling addiction causing victim to scam his family
Post by: Viscore on May 22, 2022, 09:15:30 PM
The gambler are to blame....

He had the option to go out to get a second job, that would have kept him busy...not having the extra time to gamble... but he decided to rather scam money out of his family and friends and now he wants to shift the blame to the people who offered him the opportunity to gamble.

This is typical of the new thinking of people... "Always a victim" .... never taking the responsibility for their actions. We have the freedom to make choices...and he took the wrong option.  ::)
The gambler is actually the one to be blame. I think he knows in the first place what will happen to him once he falls into addiction, but still he chose to take the wrong option. So he's the one responsible for his own actions and will suffer the consequences on it. Casinos are most likely selfish on their part as they keep on initiating moves to attract players but its how they played the game, they will always create initiatives to fuel the gamblers and let them play on their casinos.


Title: Re: Gambling addiction causing victim to scam his family
Post by: Boristhecat on May 24, 2022, 04:02:21 PM
Yes, gamblers should take full responsibility just like shopaholics, alcoholics and other people with addictions. If we start dividing this responsibility between those who advertise (of their product which, when used in reasonable quantities, does no harm) with people who consume it uncontrollably and face unpleasant consequences, we will harm all parties.
Still, gamblers have to be held accountable because it is their risk of becoming addicted. But sadly, not many can realize this and are drawn even deeper into gambling. I think this is a shared responsibility between gamblers, advertisers and casinos but I don't know, it seems that casinos and advertisers keep going without thinking about the fate of gamblers who are addicted to gambling.

How can this be done from a practical point of view? For example, you are a casino and an adult player comes to you and plays. What do you need to do to fulfill what you propose? I see some ideas but they are directly against the rights of the player and are an invasion of privacy, etc. I think it's easy to say "you have to be good and think about others" but in practice these ideas are either unrealizable or turn into something terrible (totalitarianism).


Title: Re: Gambling addiction causing victim to scam his family
Post by: imamusma on May 24, 2022, 04:13:33 PM
Why you think it’s emotional. No one here scamming the people scamming anyone. They earning hardly and spending little amount for the family and making their own choices for the enjoyment. Nothing is a sad one, you need to do the own earning for your life. Without money, people won’t spend or enjoy. Enjoyments need money, gambling also the part of enjoyment for the gamblers.
Some people are successful in implementing management in their lives, maybe from 100% of their income they only use 10% for the pleasures of their life, be it gambling or spending money to have fun with their workmates. However, on the principle of a gambler, this may be difficult to apply if he has experienced an addiction, of course he will continue to gamble even though his financial condition is classified as a crisis.


Title: Re: Gambling addiction causing victim to scam his family
Post by: poldanmig on May 24, 2022, 04:15:50 PM
Here is the article:  https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/courtandcrime/arid-40875731.html (https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/courtandcrime/arid-40875731.html)
Apparently Boyle Sports manipulated a man is a very sad way where he ended up loosing all the money he scammed from a family member. The man had probelms with Gambling and he tried to stop by closing the account on the website and at the end of the day they saw him stopping but kept sending him mails and at the same time, they apparently sent him a 50$ free betting which at the end ending up to be awful for him since he started it again and ended up loosing all the fortune. The whole things is extremely complex like Some Sherlock Holmes story. The person was not infact gullible since to fuel his gambling addiction he scammed his family member and then went to court and pleaded guilty as well blamed it all on the Boyle Sports.
What do you think who was in the wrong ?
I think both the bettor and the Boyle Sports were in the wrong.
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It was established that the two accounts, to which the payments totalling €56,000 were made, were a personal bank account and a Boyle Sports account, both in Thomas O’Connell’s name. The payments varied from €100 to €1000 and averaged at just over €200.
“Contact was almost on a daily basis – sometimes a couple of times on a particular day. He admitted that he took €56,000 and impersonated (the solicitor),” Det. Garda Fuller said. O’Connell was actually a client of the solicitor he impersonated. The defendant had a gambling and alcohol addiction.
The phone calls and texts – supposedly from the solicitor - to the victim were a work of fiction by 48-year-old Thomas O’Connell who did not stop until he got his hands on every euro of the €56,000 the victim had inherited.


This is one of the causes if gambling is one of the worst things in my opinion, the many effects we get in gambling are not only detrimental to ourselves but indirectly these effects can spread to family, friends and even the environment around us, for them those who start gambling may still be easy to quit, but in the case like you said, I think he is an active gambler and it is difficult for him to stop gambling even though he has tried hard enough to stop his addiction.


Title: Re: Gambling addiction causing victim to scam his family
Post by: Silberman on May 24, 2022, 10:01:18 PM
It's clear that the gambler has a problem in the first place since he was addicted already plus he is not thru with it yet. Then a simple message from the casino would trigger the feeling of a compulsive gambler and since he can't do anything about it even if he lost more than he can afford to lose. That's why if you have a bad feeling when starting to play gambling trust your guts because that's true. In the long run, you will still be the one who can control yourself.
It is a shame that things like this keep happening but this is because people still have the wrong idea when it comes to gambling, if instead of seeing in gambling an easy source of money they just saw it as another from of passing their time then very soon they will realize how betting such a huge amount of money which they cannot afford to lose makes no sense, after all with all of that money you could have done something else that could have brought you more entertainment if used correctly, but since those people not only want to win but also to recover the money they have lost through the years they never consider that alternative view at all.


Title: Re: Gambling addiction causing victim to scam his family
Post by: Wawa2013 on May 24, 2022, 10:50:58 PM
It's clear that the gambler has a problem in the first place since he was addicted already plus he is not thru with it yet. Then a simple message from the casino would trigger the feeling of a compulsive gambler and since he can't do anything about it even if he lost more than he can afford to lose. That's why if you have a bad feeling when starting to play gambling trust your guts because that's true. In the long run, you will still be the one who can control yourself.
It is a shame that things like this keep happening but this is because people still have the wrong idea when it comes to gambling, if instead of seeing in gambling an easy source of money they just saw it as another from of passing their time then very soon they will realize how betting such a huge amount of money which they cannot afford to lose makes no sense, after all with all of that money you could have done something else that could have brought you more entertainment if used correctly, but since those people not only want to win but also to recover the money they have lost through the years they never consider that alternative view at all.

Gambling is still considered negative because there are still many people who have wrong thoughts about gambling. In fact, if gambling is only
for entertainment, gambling should not have a negative effect on our lives. The problem is that most people always look for an instant solution
if they experience financial problems, and gambling is considered to be a source of income. That's the beginning of people will eventually become
addicted, because they will lose large amounts of money, and they will think they can cover the previous loss. In the end, why so many countries
consider gambling illegal, because most people have a misunderstanding about gambling. And also there are still very few people who
can become responsible gamblers.


Title: Re: Gambling addiction causing victim to scam his family
Post by: TelolettOm on May 24, 2022, 11:34:44 PM
-snip- but if you're addicted to gambling then you should really go to therapy to help yourself.
Not every addict realizes they are addicted to gambling, some addicts think it is normal. If you are not aware that you are addicted, how can you go to a therapist or a health expert? The addict needs help, his close people need to remind them that he is already addicted to the gambling activity. Sadly, not all close people want to remind this or give help, some may not really care. So, this problem isn't as simple as you think, it is complicated, dude.



Title: Re: Gambling addiction causing victim to scam his family
Post by: LUCKMCFLY on May 25, 2022, 04:36:05 AM

What do you think who was in the wrong ?
I think both the bettor and the Boyle Sports were in the wrong.

Both are indeed wrong but there's no law that could really make out immediate or proper action specially if there would no agreements involved like "self-exclusions" which the user had made out some
request for him not to recieve any mails in related with promotions because its totally irresponsible or mistake if they do still sent out despite of such condition or scenario.

As a gambling addict then you could do sort of things which it would be mainly affecting on people around you even with your own family which you could really be
able to scam out specially if you dont have money to spent through gambling.



You are absolutely right, in addiction to games it is very easy to lose control and in less than expected you can see problems with the same family, because what the player wants is to have a lot of money to continue playing because according to him, he has the secret to win, and it is not like that, it is his own addiction, in a tv program I saw as a professional person, a lawyer got his family into trouble, he got into debt and used his parents and siblings to having a lot of money and betting it, of course he lost everything, and when he felt bad he wanted to kill himself, it was because of his brother that he prevented it, however they took him to a clinic and they saved him, because he was poisoned.


Title: Re: Gambling addiction causing victim to scam his family
Post by: hashrateproducts on May 25, 2022, 04:42:23 AM
-snip- but if you're addicted to gambling then you should really go to therapy to help yourself.
Not every addict realizes they are addicted to gambling, some addicts think it is normal. If you are not aware that you are addicted, how can you go to a therapist or a health expert? The addict needs help, his close people need to remind them that he is already addicted to the gambling activity. Sadly, not all close people want to remind this or give help, some may not really care. So, this problem isn't as simple as you think, it is complicated, dude.


Addicts never admits that they are addicted to gambling. They see it as general thing because not only them are betting, but people are also betting. Gambling is really bad for some people who can't control it, rather the more advise they get, the more they play gambling. Some people have full hope there as their means of getting their first million. Gambling is everywhere in the world presently and the number of people addicted are increasing in numbers steadily.


Title: Re: Gambling addiction causing victim to scam his family
Post by: uneng on May 25, 2022, 05:00:30 AM
It's clear that the gambler has a problem in the first place since he was addicted already plus he is not thru with it yet. Then a simple message from the casino would trigger the feeling of a compulsive gambler and since he can't do anything about it even if he lost more than he can afford to lose. That's why if you have a bad feeling when starting to play gambling trust your guts because that's true. In the long run, you will still be the one who can control yourself.
It is a shame that things like this keep happening but this is because people still have the wrong idea when it comes to gambling, if instead of seeing in gambling an easy source of money they just saw it as another from of passing their time then very soon they will realize how betting such a huge amount of money which they cannot afford to lose makes no sense, after all with all of that money you could have done something else that could have brought you more entertainment if used correctly, but since those people not only want to win but also to recover the money they have lost through the years they never consider that alternative view at all.
And in this case it's even worse, because the addicted gambler didn't cause problems only for himself, but also for his acquainted, who was scammed and lost 56,000€ he received from his mother. Probably this gambler knew about the inheritance received by the other man, and that is why he milked every single penny from him to feed his addiction without worrying if there would be money to repay the "loan" later. It's also shocking the fact this scam lasted for 2 years. It's a lot of time to be scammed in silence without going after the police or suing the borrower.


Title: Re: Gambling addiction causing victim to scam his family
Post by: Oasisman on May 25, 2022, 05:31:14 AM
Many people blame sites for better management, but in the end only one player is responsible for the losses of the whole and that is the player himself. It's understandable that he wants to put the blame on gambling sites, but if you're addicted to gambling then you should really go to therapy to help yourself.

Nobody is willing to help one's self if nobody is making the first move or try to talk to him or at least do something about it to let that person be aware of what he has become. Of course the blame would always go to that subject person who got addicted and lose control of his gambling expenditures, but these gambling websites must also be responsible enough not to drag their clients into the worse form of addiction, otherwise the business is no different than a fraud.


Title: Re: Gambling addiction causing victim to scam his family
Post by: Smartprofit on May 25, 2022, 06:26:05 AM
An online casino is an organization created for profit.  

This is a commercial organization.  The goal of any commercial organization is to make a profit.  It's hard for me to blame Boyle Sports for aggressive marketing.  All commercial organizations carry out aggressive marketing.  Their goal is to realize their entrepreneurial services and make a profit.  This is capitalism.  

The player must be responsible and careful.  Gambling addiction is a big risk.  It is unacceptable to impersonate a well-known lawyer.  This is classified as a scam.  

In this story, the main responsibility lies with the player (IMHO).


Title: Re: Gambling addiction causing victim to scam his family
Post by: blatchcorn on May 25, 2022, 06:32:26 AM
“Gambling is not about how well you play the games, it’s really about how well you handle your money.”
Defiantly the fault lies in the bettor, who kept on betting despite the fact he is continuously losing his money. This is not the first time we came across such horrible story, the gambling world is full of such mishaps. 

... they apparently sent him a 50$ free betting which at the end ending up to be awful for him since he started it again and ended up loosing all the fortune.

Its not just gambling sites which send you such lucrative offers you see it from almost every sites, for instance, Binance send you offer that do 50$ transactions and you have a chance to win 10$ cash back. We need to think wisely before we fell in such traps.


Title: Re: Gambling addiction causing victim to scam his family
Post by: TopT3ns on May 25, 2022, 07:53:19 AM
An online casino is an organization created for profit.  

This is a commercial organization.  The goal of any commercial organization is to make a profit.  It's hard for me to blame Boyle Sports for aggressive marketing.  All commercial organizations carry out aggressive marketing.  Their goal is to realize their entrepreneurial services and make a profit.  This is capitalism.  

The player must be responsible and careful.  Gambling addiction is a big risk.  It is unacceptable to impersonate a well-known lawyer.  This is classified as a scam.  

In this story, the main responsibility lies with the player (IMHO).
I think when there are people who are familiar with gambling then they will continue to gamble and it is difficult to stop gambling because according to him that way he can get happiness even though it is only a loss that he gets, sometimes rich people gamble just for fun and already understand the consequences.


Title: Re: Gambling addiction causing victim to scam his family
Post by: Nasuhalugu on May 25, 2022, 09:04:26 AM

What do you think who was in the wrong ?
I think both the bettor and the Boyle Sports were in the wrong.

Both are indeed wrong but there's no law that could really make out immediate or proper action specially if there would no agreements involved like "self-exclusions" which the user had made out some
request for him not to recieve any mails in related with promotions because its totally irresponsible or mistake if they do still sent out despite of such condition or scenario.

As a gambling addict then you could do sort of things which it would be mainly affecting on people around you even with your own family which you could really be
able to scam out specially if you dont have money to spent through gambling.



You are absolutely right, in addiction to games it is very easy to lose control and in less than expected you can see problems with the same family, because what the player wants is to have a lot of money to continue playing because according to him, he has the secret to win, and it is not like that, it is his own addiction, in a tv program I saw as a professional person, a lawyer got his family into trouble, he got into debt and used his parents and siblings to having a lot of money and betting it, of course he lost everything, and when he felt bad he wanted to kill himself, it was because of his brother that he prevented it, however they took him to a clinic and they saved him, because he was poisoned.


I have friends who are addicted to games, every day they only focus on playing games and if there is no money they will borrow money from friends and relatives just to be able to play games. People who are addicted to games will no longer focus on work, if for younger students they often skip school and can no longer focus on studying because they are addicted to games.


Title: Re: Gambling addiction causing victim to scam his family
Post by: Little_Sister on May 25, 2022, 09:33:15 AM
I have friends who are addicted to games, every day they only focus on playing games and if there is no money they will borrow money from friends and relatives just to be able to play games. People who are addicted to games will no longer focus on work, if for younger students they often skip school and can no longer focus on studying because they are addicted to games.
Whether your friend plays gambling games or ordinary games, because the negative impact will be more terrible if he is addicted to gambling games, many people lose their minds if they can't control themselves and are even willing to do anything to be able to play. gamble. So we have to keep gambling just for fun, not to get high wins because it will require high betting capital.


Title: Re: Gambling addiction causing victim to scam his family
Post by: Smartprofit on May 25, 2022, 10:04:42 AM

What do you think who was in the wrong ?
I think both the bettor and the Boyle Sports were in the wrong.

Both are indeed wrong but there's no law that could really make out immediate or proper action specially if there would no agreements involved like "self-exclusions" which the user had made out some
request for him not to recieve any mails in related with promotions because its totally irresponsible or mistake if they do still sent out despite of such condition or scenario.

As a gambling addict then you could do sort of things which it would be mainly affecting on people around you even with your own family which you could really be
able to scam out specially if you dont have money to spent through gambling.



You are absolutely right, in addiction to games it is very easy to lose control and in less than expected you can see problems with the same family, because what the player wants is to have a lot of money to continue playing because according to him, he has the secret to win, and it is not like that, it is his own addiction, in a tv program I saw as a professional person, a lawyer got his family into trouble, he got into debt and used his parents and siblings to having a lot of money and betting it, of course he lost everything, and when he felt bad he wanted to kill himself, it was because of his brother that he prevented it, however they took him to a clinic and they saved him, because he was poisoned.


I have friends who are addicted to games, every day they only focus on playing games and if there is no money they will borrow money from friends and relatives just to be able to play games. People who are addicted to games will no longer focus on work, if for younger students they often skip school and can no longer focus on studying because they are addicted to games.

I don't lend money to friends or relatives.  If this is a person close to me, I can give him money as a gift. 

There is a proverb - "If you want to lose a friend, lend him money." 

It's very frustrating when the person you lent money to hides from you, lies to you, or starts talking nasty things about you.  Drug addicts and alcoholics often borrow money from acquaintances.  This is also true for gamblers (addicted to gambling). 

Addiction is terrible precisely because the moral norms of the patient are very weakened.  He can commit any antisocial offense (and even a crime).


Title: Re: Gambling addiction causing victim to scam his family
Post by: capedbaldy on May 25, 2022, 10:31:06 AM
I don't lend money to friends or relatives.  If this is a person close to me, I can give him money as a gift. 

There is a proverb - "If you want to lose a friend, lend him money." 

It's very frustrating when the person you lent money to hides from you, lies to you, or starts talking nasty things about you.  Drug addicts and alcoholics often borrow money from acquaintances.  This is also true for gamblers (addicted to gambling). 

Addiction is terrible precisely because the moral norms of the patient are very weakened.  He can commit any antisocial offense (and even a crime).
I am that many people will not give loans to gambling addicts and alcoholics, because there is no guarantee that they will repay the debt once they have the money, but of course they will return to gambling again and will ask for another loan if they meet you, so don't give any loan except you accept lost money from gamblers.


Title: Re: Gambling addiction causing victim to scam his family
Post by: madnessteat on May 25, 2022, 11:16:26 AM
^

If a person is gambling with credit money, it means he does not recognize the problem of addiction. Instead of lending money to such a person, thereby reinforcing his addiction, it is better to convince him to get treatment and help him in this case not only financially but also psychologically. Only close people can help a person who is in a difficult life situation.


Title: Re: Gambling addiction causing victim to scam his family
Post by: btc78 on May 25, 2022, 11:23:18 AM

What do you think who was in the wrong ?
I think both the bettor and the Boyle Sports were in the wrong.

Both are indeed wrong but there's no law that could really make out immediate or proper action specially if there would no agreements involved like "self-exclusions" which the user had made out some
request for him not to recieve any mails in related with promotions because its totally irresponsible or mistake if they do still sent out despite of such condition or scenario.

As a gambling addict then you could do sort of things which it would be mainly affecting on people around you even with your own family which you could really be
able to scam out specially if you dont have money to spent through gambling.



You are absolutely right, in addiction to games it is very easy to lose control and in less than expected you can see problems with the same family, because what the player wants is to have a lot of money to continue playing because according to him, he has the secret to win, and it is not like that, it is his own addiction, in a tv program I saw as a professional person, a lawyer got his family into trouble, he got into debt and used his parents and siblings to having a lot of money and betting it, of course he lost everything, and when he felt bad he wanted to kill himself, it was because of his brother that he prevented it, however they took him to a clinic and they saved him, because he was poisoned.


I have friends who are addicted to games, every day they only focus on playing games and if there is no money they will borrow money from friends and relatives just to be able to play games. People who are addicted to games will no longer focus on work, if for younger students they often skip school and can no longer focus on studying because they are addicted to games.
at least your friend is borrowing funds and not scamming though borrowing without bringing back is also a form of scam for me and gamblers? yeah they are the one who knows nothing about returning the borrowed money.
yeah not all of gamblers having this attitude but all of addicted gambler does.
^

If a person is gambling with credit money, it means he does not recognize the problem of addiction. Instead of lending money to such a person, thereby reinforcing his addiction, it is better to convince him to get treatment and help him in this case not only financially but also psychologically. Only close people can help a person who is in a difficult life situation.
never lend a people that we already knew being addicted because instead of helping them? we are making them more addicted because of supporting their vices .


Title: Re: Gambling addiction causing victim to scam his family
Post by: AicecreaME on May 25, 2022, 12:22:21 PM

I don't lend money to friends or relatives.  If this is a person close to me, I can give him money as a gift. 

There is a proverb - "If you want to lose a friend, lend him money." 

It's very frustrating when the person you lent money to hides from you, lies to you, or starts talking nasty things about you.  Drug addicts and alcoholics often borrow money from acquaintances.  This is also true for gamblers (addicted to gambling). 

Addiction is terrible precisely because the moral norms of the patient are very weakened.  He can commit any antisocial offense (and even a crime).

We have the same perspective about lending money. I do not really lend money to anyone even if it's a close friend or a close relative. I just simply give what I can share wholeheartedly because I have already experienced several times that people don't really know how to pay what is due. Most of the times, they will be aggressive to you if you'll bring up about the money they have borrowed. Nowadays, it's you, the lender, who will be ashamed to asked for what you lent because most of them will say that they don't have money just yet. When in fact, they could afford to buy luxurious items and have extravagant celebrations uncalled for, when they can't really afford it. Simply because they want to show off.

Indeed, it's frustrating and infuriating that these people have the audacity to borrow when they can't even keep a promise. Hence, I didn't really trust from there onwards. I would rather be called selfish than to have nothing left when I need it the most. After all, not everyone you helped will actually help you the way you helped them when they needed it.


Title: Re: Gambling addiction causing victim to scam his family
Post by: maydna on May 25, 2022, 01:30:10 PM
I don't lend money to friends or relatives.  If this is a person close to me, I can give him money as a gift. 

There is a proverb - "If you want to lose a friend, lend him money." 

It's very frustrating when the person you lent money to hides from you, lies to you, or starts talking nasty things about you.  Drug addicts and alcoholics often borrow money from acquaintances.  This is also true for gamblers (addicted to gambling). 

Addiction is terrible precisely because the moral norms of the patient are very weakened.  He can commit any antisocial offense (and even a crime).
I am that many people will not give loans to gambling addicts and alcoholics, because there is no guarantee that they will repay the debt once they have the money, but of course they will return to gambling again and will ask for another loan if they meet you, so don't give any loan except you accept lost money from gamblers.
Right, I agree with you. It is better not to lend money to those who want to gamble and drink alcohol. They don't want to lose their own money but borrow money from other people. For this, I have experience, but the person who borrowed the money didn't tell the truth about what he wanted to do with the money, so I didn't borrow mine. It would be better if they used the money to buy food for him and his family than for gambling or alcohol.


Title: Re: Gambling addiction causing victim to scam his family
Post by: Apocollapse on May 25, 2022, 03:03:38 PM
Why does his family don't seek a professional to take care him? gambling addictions isn't a joke and only can be solved by prohibition.

Right, I agree with you. It is better not to lend money to those who want to gamble and drink alcohol.
You wouldn't know what they're doing with your money and it's dumb if they tell you if your money used for gambling, the best way is don't lend your money to anyone including your friends. If they're forcing you and you don't have any choice, then lend him only few portion e.g. 20-50%, don't give full amount.



Title: Re: Gambling addiction causing victim to scam his family
Post by: Pamadar on May 25, 2022, 03:29:50 PM
-snip- but if you're addicted to gambling then you should really go to therapy to help yourself.
Not every addict realizes they are addicted to gambling, some addicts think it is normal. If you are not aware that you are addicted, how can you go to a therapist or a health expert? The addict needs help, his close people need to remind them that he is already addicted to the gambling activity. Sadly, not all close people want to remind this or give help, some may not really care. So, this problem isn't as simple as you think, it is complicated, dude.


Addicts never admits that they are addicted to gambling. They see it as general thing because not only them are betting, but people are also betting. Gambling is really bad for some people who can't control it, rather the more advise they get, the more they play gambling. Some people have full hope there as their means of getting their first million. Gambling is everywhere in the world presently and the number of people addicted are increasing in numbers steadily.

Most, if not all, addicted to gambling do admit that they are already engaged too much, they will continue to deny that

There's already a problem with them. After losing a lot of money, they will try every resource
that they can get in order to continue these vices.

The bad side of having no control of your emotions can lead you to do things that are behind imaginable,
just like how the person with OP's story, scamming his own family because of eagerness to continue gambling.


Title: Re: Gambling addiction causing victim to scam his family
Post by: darkangel11 on May 25, 2022, 03:42:42 PM
Why does his family don't seek a professional to take care him? gambling addictions isn't a joke and only can be solved by prohibition.

Right, I agree with you. It is better not to lend money to those who want to gamble and drink alcohol.
You wouldn't know what they're doing with your money and it's dumb if they tell you if your money used for gambling, the best way is don't lend your money to anyone including your friends. If they're forcing you and you don't have any choice, then lend him only few portion e.g. 20-50%, don't give full amount.



I wouldn't blame the family here. It's easy to ask a wife who was abused by a husband why she didn't fight back or call the police and it's the same with the gambler's relatives. They see a problem and usually try to talk to him but most people are afraid of losing someone's trust if they commit him to a facility.

This is really unfortunate what happened to this poor guy but also not entirely the fault of the casino. If you really want to stop you can change your email, even cut off your internet just to stay away from gambling. Casinos will try to tempt you but you're the one who decides. You are in control.


Title: Re: Gambling addiction causing victim to scam his family
Post by: whiteblue on May 25, 2022, 05:51:42 PM
Right, I agree with you. It is better not to lend money to those who want to gamble and drink alcohol. They don't want to lose their own money but borrow money from other people. For this, I have experience, but the person who borrowed the money didn't tell the truth about what he wanted to do with the money, so I didn't borrow mine. It would be better if they used the money to buy food for him and his family than for gambling or alcohol.
I would not be willing to lend if he used the loan for his purposes not for gambling and alcohol. But if someone lies to me because of a loan to use both of them then I will never care about that person other than collecting the loan, nothing more than that.


Title: Re: Gambling addiction causing victim to scam his family
Post by: capedbaldy on May 25, 2022, 06:38:45 PM
If a person is gambling with credit money, it means he does not recognize the problem of addiction. Instead of lending money to such a person, thereby reinforcing his addiction, it is better to convince him to get treatment and help him in this case not only financially but also psychologically. Only close people can help a person who is in a difficult life situation.
I'm sure it makes the hardest part to get gambling addicts to consult in psychology because they will be very difficult to recover if without the desire in each of them, I might be willing to set aside money for medication only but not for loans for gambling and alcohol.


Title: Re: Gambling addiction causing victim to scam his family
Post by: passwordnow on May 25, 2022, 06:53:06 PM
I'm sure it makes the hardest part to get gambling addicts to consult in psychology because they will be very difficult to recover if without the desire in each of them, I might be willing to set aside money for medication only but not for loans for gambling and alcohol.
It's hard but if going through the process, there's ample time for them to recover and heal. If a rough thing was done and just as what has been addressed.
There's no other thing, the best thing to do and that's to consult for medication and seek professional help. Your own will of stopping will be there but that won't be enough as you need someone to take care for you in a guided manner.


Title: Re: Gambling addiction causing victim to scam his family
Post by: Lanatsa on May 25, 2022, 07:14:43 PM
I'm sure it makes the hardest part to get gambling addicts to consult in psychology because they will be very difficult to recover if without the desire in each of them, I might be willing to set aside money for medication only but not for loans for gambling and alcohol.
It's hard but if going through the process, there's ample time for them to recover and heal. If a rough thing was done and just as what has been addressed.
There's no other thing, the best thing to do and that's to consult for medication and seek professional help. Your own will of stopping will be there but that won't be enough as you need someone to take care for you in a guided manner.
When it comes to addiction problems then there's no one that could help you out but rather yourself and its true that if you cant able to solve it on your own then this is the time you would really be seeking help from

your loved ones and if ever this one doesnt work either then seek for professional help and any other forms of gambling addiction solution or something in related.In speaking with actions made out by any addicts out there

then it isnt really that surprising because you are really out of your mind on thinking the right things to be done and whats not specially your mind isnt really that on a good state.


Title: Re: Gambling addiction causing victim to scam his family
Post by: passwordnow on May 25, 2022, 11:12:09 PM
It's hard but if going through the process, there's ample time for them to recover and heal. If a rough thing was done and just as what has been addressed.
There's no other thing, the best thing to do and that's to consult for medication and seek professional help. Your own will of stopping will be there but that won't be enough as you need someone to take care for you in a guided manner.
When it comes to addiction problems then there's no one that could help you out but rather yourself and its true that if you cant able to solve it on your own then this is the time you would really be seeking help from

your loved ones and if ever this one doesnt work either then seek for professional help and any other forms of gambling addiction solution or something in related.In speaking with actions made out by any addicts out there

then it isnt really that surprising because you are really out of your mind on thinking the right things to be done and whats not specially your mind isnt really that on a good state.
It is easier if these things are combined with someone's help to completely stop gambling. A problem will just generate another problem if not being addressed properly.
And going with the decision that should haven't done is the mistake by many addicted gamblers. The examples are there and it's just few from the many things that they do and that's not just destroying themselves but even their relation to their family and friends.


Title: Re: Gambling addiction causing victim to scam his family
Post by: Lanatsa on May 26, 2022, 12:01:09 AM
It's hard but if going through the process, there's ample time for them to recover and heal. If a rough thing was done and just as what has been addressed.
There's no other thing, the best thing to do and that's to consult for medication and seek professional help. Your own will of stopping will be there but that won't be enough as you need someone to take care for you in a guided manner.
When it comes to addiction problems then there's no one that could help you out but rather yourself and its true that if you cant able to solve it on your own then this is the time you would really be seeking help from

your loved ones and if ever this one doesnt work either then seek for professional help and any other forms of gambling addiction solution or something in related.In speaking with actions made out by any addicts out there

then it isnt really that surprising because you are really out of your mind on thinking the right things to be done and whats not specially your mind isnt really that on a good state.
It is easier if these things are combined with someone's help to completely stop gambling. A problem will just generate another problem if not being addressed properly.
And going with the decision that should haven't done is the mistake by many addicted gamblers. The examples are there and it's just few from the many things that they do and that's not just destroying themselves but even their relation to their family and friends.
Actually it do connects out on someones personality since there are people who doesnt really listen to anybody and wont tend to solo out their own problem even with their loved ones or family
and on the time that they couldnt able to comprehend or able to control it out then thats the time things even get more messy which this something had been controlled earlier
and dont let yourself come into this point.

Whenever you do goes addicted on a severe manner then unexpected things will surely happen which you didnt even expect for it to be done by someone.


Title: Re: Gambling addiction causing victim to scam his family
Post by: Accardo on May 26, 2022, 04:10:05 AM
On a second thought the gambler was able to beat his gambling addiction but, he failed at foregoing his addiction for greed. The company must have sent same promotional mail to every other member of the Casino. The gambler out of greed exhausted the $50 offer and yet was not satisfied by it. However, the casino tricked him using a $50 bait to lure him back into the gambling world knowing pretty well that he is greedy.


Title: Re: Gambling addiction causing victim to scam his family
Post by: Razmirraz on May 26, 2022, 05:02:05 AM
I have friends who are addicted to games, every day they only focus on playing games and if there is no money they will borrow money from friends and relatives just to be able to play games. People who are addicted to games will no longer focus on work, if for younger students they often skip school and can no longer focus on studying because they are addicted to games.
Whether your friend plays gambling games or ordinary games, because the negative impact will be more terrible if he is addicted to gambling games, many people lose their minds if they can't control themselves and are even willing to do anything to be able to play. gamble. So we have to keep gambling just for fun, not to get high wins because it will require high betting capital.
Self-control is very necessary when the situation is not favorable, someone who is depressed can do anything to make his wishes come true. Gambling addiction can harm the gambler, I cannot imagine if the gambler cannot control himself, because the worst thing can happen anytime and anywhere. Making gambling as entertainment is not a problem, but if you are dependent on gambling it will cause gamblers to suffer even more.


Title: Re: Gambling addiction causing victim to scam his family
Post by: strunberg on May 26, 2022, 07:24:02 AM
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If a person is gambling with credit money, it means he does not recognize the problem of addiction. Instead of lending money to such a person, thereby reinforcing his addiction, it is better to convince him to get treatment and help him in this case not only financially but also psychologically. Only close people can help a person who is in a difficult life situation.
gambling or trading using money from credits or loan from bank or personal will destroy our life immediately. did we imagine the worst scenario that will happen to us if we lose in gambling ? did we have capability or income source to pay this bill if we lose our money ? no one know what will happen in table with our bet, oneday our regret will come lately if everything going worse to those people.


Title: Re: Gambling addiction causing victim to scam his family
Post by: swogerino on May 26, 2022, 07:25:42 AM
On a second thought the gambler was able to beat his gambling addiction but, he failed at foregoing his addiction for greed. The company must have sent same promotional mail to every other member of the Casino. The gambler out of greed exhausted the $50 offer and yet was not satisfied by it. However, the casino tricked him using a $50 bait to lure him back into the gambling world knowing pretty well that he is greedy.

I think he was not completely able to beat his addiction as we saw that it lasted until he had an offer in his email to play for free a little amount as a gift from the casino website.If he was truly convinced to leave gambling once and for all he should have also unsubscribed from all the casinos and their marketing emails.When I see my email it is full of such offers (not free money) but marketing emails from the casinos I play the most at.If I want to quit gambling for good,I unsubscribe from all these marketing emails from the gambling companies.


Title: Re: Gambling addiction causing victim to scam his family
Post by: rodskee on May 26, 2022, 07:35:58 AM

What do you think who was in the wrong ?
I think both the bettor and the Boyle Sports were in the wrong.

Both are indeed wrong but there's no law that could really make out immediate or proper action specially if there would no agreements involved like "self-exclusions" which the user had made out some
request for him not to recieve any mails in related with promotions because its totally irresponsible or mistake if they do still sent out despite of such condition or scenario.

As a gambling addict then you could do sort of things which it would be mainly affecting on people around you even with your own family which you could really be
able to scam out specially if you dont have money to spent through gambling.



You are absolutely right, in addiction to games it is very easy to lose control and in less than expected you can see problems with the same family, because what the player wants is to have a lot of money to continue playing because according to him, he has the secret to win, and it is not like that, it is his own addiction, in a tv program I saw as a professional person, a lawyer got his family into trouble, he got into debt and used his parents and siblings to having a lot of money and betting it, of course he lost everything, and when he felt bad he wanted to kill himself, it was because of his brother that he prevented it, however they took him to a clinic and they saved him, because he was poisoned.


I have friends who are addicted to games, every day they only focus on playing games and if there is no money they will borrow money from friends and relatives just to be able to play games. People who are addicted to games will no longer focus on work, if for younger students they often skip school and can no longer focus on studying because they are addicted to games.
But the problem here is that  they are borrowing from friends and family yet they were being lent? this is a not so good attitude because as they knew  addicted gamblers cannot afford to pay still they are consistently sharing money?
they are only making those gamblers more addicted and ruining their life.
stop supporting gambler and let them find their funds to gamble so they will value the money before spending to gambling .


Title: Re: Gambling addiction causing victim to scam his family
Post by: passwordnow on May 26, 2022, 10:45:43 AM
It is easier if these things are combined with someone's help to completely stop gambling. A problem will just generate another problem if not being addressed properly.
And going with the decision that should haven't done is the mistake by many addicted gamblers. The examples are there and it's just few from the many things that they do and that's not just destroying themselves but even their relation to their family and friends.
Actually it do connects out on someones personality since there are people who doesnt really listen to anybody and wont tend to solo out their own problem even with their loved ones or family
and on the time that they couldnt able to comprehend or able to control it out then thats the time things even get more messy which this something had been controlled earlier
and dont let yourself come into this point.

Whenever you do goes addicted on a severe manner then unexpected things will surely happen which you didnt even expect for it to be done by someone.
It's not a secret that when you act unwisely and you let your addiction overcome you, there would really be bad things that await you and to those that will be affected by your action.
We all knew that it's not a good idea to let others be affected by our actions but, we can't help ourselves when we're on that severe manner and addiction that even us can no longer help ourselves and control it.


Title: Re: Gambling addiction causing victim to scam his family
Post by: maydna on May 26, 2022, 12:08:53 PM
Why does his family don't seek a professional to take care him? gambling addictions isn't a joke and only can be solved by prohibition.
Maybe his family didn't know that he often gambled, so his family didn't look for a professional. We also will not know what happened and how his relationship with his family.

You wouldn't know what they're doing with your money and it's dumb if they tell you if your money used for gambling, the best way is don't lend your money to anyone including your friends. If they're forcing you and you don't have any choice, then lend him only few portion e.g. 20-50%, don't give full amount.
Even though he keeps forcing us to lend him our money, I think we can still refuse him because we don't want him to get deeper into gambling. This is for his own good and to keep him from getting more addicted. If he tries to borrow money from someone else, it's none of our business.

I would not be willing to lend if he used the loan for his purposes not for gambling and alcohol. But if someone lies to me because of a loan to use both of them then I will never care about that person other than collecting the loan, nothing more than that.
Yes, that's because we don't want to be blamed by his family for lending him money. Besides, we also don't know if he's lying or not because once he accepts the money and leaves, he can use it for whatever he wants. And if he doesn't have good self-control, he can go back to gambling to gamble again and try to win some money from gambling.


Title: Re: Gambling addiction causing victim to scam his family
Post by: Davidvictorson on May 26, 2022, 12:50:09 PM
Here the gambler is wrong. As a means of promotion gambling platforms used to give free betting bonuses. If this bonus have been given knowing that the user is gonna end gambling, then the gambling platform too is wrong. Myself too have similar experience playing with bonus when I was in long break from gambling, and from my experience it is always good to have self control.

I agree with you. For example, Bitlucy Casino & Sports gave about $10 free betting bonuses. They didn't know if I am a gambling addict or not. And I do not think that there is any form to fill while signing up that has a box tick to indicate whether one is a gambling addict or not. From the story, I feel that the betting bonuses sent to the person in the story was a trigger for him. People who suffer from addictions have various triggers and for me the bonus was a trigger that caused him to have a relapse.


Title: Re: Gambling addiction causing victim to scam his family
Post by: NewRanger on May 26, 2022, 01:21:39 PM
Here the gambler is wrong. As a means of promotion gambling platforms used to give free betting bonuses. If this bonus have been given knowing that the user is gonna end gambling, then the gambling platform too is wrong. Myself too have similar experience playing with bonus when I was in long break from gambling, and from my experience it is always good to have self control.

I agree with you. For example, Bitlucy Casino & Sports gave about $10 free betting bonuses. They didn't know if I am a gambling addict or not. And I do not think that there is any form to fill while signing up that has a box tick to indicate whether one is a gambling addict or not. From the story, I feel that the betting bonuses sent to the person in the story was a trigger for him. People who suffer from addictions have various triggers and for me the bonus was a trigger that caused him to have a relapse.
they give us bonuses to try their gambling feature and ofcourse make us curious when we lost it. its strategy from house to make us interested by giving  fishing rod so we will trapped in bad condition. they never care about customers or users status as addicted or not,  because it rellated with their income, having more addicted users will give them more income  and money.


Title: Re: Gambling addiction causing victim to scam his family
Post by: Pamadar on May 26, 2022, 01:47:25 PM
On a second thought the gambler was able to beat his gambling addiction but, he failed at foregoing his addiction for greed. The company must have sent same promotional mail to every other member of the Casino. The gambler out of greed exhausted the $50 offer and yet was not satisfied by it. However, the casino tricked him using a $50 bait to lure him back into the gambling world knowing pretty well that he is greedy.

I think he was not completely able to beat his addiction as we saw that it lasted until he had an offer in his email to play for free a little amount as a gift from the casino website.If he was truly convinced to leave gambling once and for all he should have also unsubscribed from all the casinos and their marketing emails.When I see my email it is full of such offers (not free money) but marketing emails from the casinos I play the most at.If I want to quit gambling for good,I unsubscribe from all these marketing emails from the gambling companies.

Good point, if he is really convinced that he should quit completely, he should also unsubscribe from all the channels that the

casino can access and contact him. The problem in his case is that he's not completely out and
after showing his interest that addiction being triggered again.

If someone is trying to prevent going back from these vices, he shouldn't look back on anything
it can avoid scamming his family if he completely quits away.


Title: Re: Gambling addiction causing victim to scam his family
Post by: molsewid on May 26, 2022, 02:16:19 PM
On a second thought the gambler was able to beat his gambling addiction but, he failed at foregoing his addiction for greed. The company must have sent same promotional mail to every other member of the Casino. The gambler out of greed exhausted the $50 offer and yet was not satisfied by it. However, the casino tricked him using a $50 bait to lure him back into the gambling world knowing pretty well that he is greedy.

I think he was not completely able to beat his addiction as we saw that it lasted until he had an offer in his email to play for free a little amount as a gift from the casino website.If he was truly convinced to leave gambling once and for all he should have also unsubscribed from all the casinos and their marketing emails.When I see my email it is full of such offers (not free money) but marketing emails from the casinos I play the most at.If I want to quit gambling for good,I unsubscribe from all these marketing emails from the gambling companies.

Good point, if he is really convinced that he should quit completely, he should also unsubscribe from all the channels that the casino can access and contact him. The problem in his case is that he's not completely out and after showing his interest that addiction being triggered again.

If someone is trying to prevent going back from these vices, he shouldn't look back on anything it can avoid scamming his family if he completely quits away.

His family can really affect his behavior, I hope they can help them to distract himself from gambling. Aside from his inner will to conquer his life problem he needs a support system so that he could really change the way he thinks in the world , it is very hard to stop the thing that you are always doing , things that keeps your adrenaline and gives you fake happiness because you are addicted to it.


Title: Re: Gambling addiction causing victim to scam his family
Post by: YOSHIE on May 26, 2022, 03:04:26 PM
What do you think who was in the wrong ?
In a situation like this, it is the user who is to blame.

If the user has closed the account on the Boyle Sports site, he should block the Email and delete everything related to Boyle Sports, the fact he didn't do it, notifications from Boyle Sports continued to receive a $50 bonus, this is what makes the user appear greedy, try and keep trying to bet hoping to win big, without realizing he had spent all the money his family had borrowed or his family's money.

The user's family has been right in court, the one who should be blamed is the user, Boyle Sports will of course send an email to each user at random, especially if the user has data and betting history with large amounts of money, but if the user really stops not wanting to get involved anymore, he definitely does as I said above, because of the user's carelessness and greed that made him fall back into the game and ended up sadistically.

BoyleSports, they do their job like, what other users do, only the user can decide where to drive, stop, turn left, right and go straight.


Title: Re: Gambling addiction causing victim to scam his family
Post by: Lordhermes on May 26, 2022, 10:35:25 PM
On a second thought the gambler was able to beat his gambling addiction but, he failed at foregoing his addiction for greed. The company must have sent same promotional mail to every other member of the Casino. The gambler out of greed exhausted the $50 offer and yet was not satisfied by it. However, the casino tricked him using a $50 bait to lure him back into the gambling world knowing pretty well that he is greedy.
It is never always easy to leave gambling totally,something must drag you back to play again and that is how it continue to eat you up untill you are frustrated.Most person's today are into gambling are finding it difficult to stop it completely because it comes with addiction.The moment you are addicted to something it becomes difficult for you to stop doing it,no matter what happens to you while doing it.Gambling has put many people in debt that they cannot pay,yet,they still can't leave it.Total avoidance and self realization are the only one things that can help one to stop it.


Title: Re: Gambling addiction causing victim to scam his family
Post by: Jawhead999 on May 26, 2022, 11:46:53 PM
Total avoidance and self realization are the only one things that can help one to stop it.
The thing is when you already realized it and want to correct your mistake, you're too late. Most people realize when he have done something big mistake e.g. sold all of his asset, jailed, have serious disease etc. Without think twice before made a decision, they will do anything that can satisfy them.


Title: Re: Gambling addiction causing victim to scam his family
Post by: doomloop on May 27, 2022, 11:28:02 AM
I think he was not completely able to beat his addiction as we saw that it lasted until he had an offer in his email to play for free a little amount as a gift from the casino website.If he was truly convinced to leave gambling once and for all he should have also unsubscribed from all the casinos and their marketing emails.When I see my email it is full of such offers (not free money) but marketing emails from the casinos I play the most at.If I want to quit gambling for good,I unsubscribe from all these marketing emails from the gambling companies.
Yes. Stopping playing and closing the account is not a solid proof to tell that a gambling addict quits for good but at some point of his life, he will see himself at the casino playing once again and it seems that we are right with that because the guy take the offer and re-login to his account and as expected he didn't get contented on the offer but he pour some more money and lose on the game of chance.

50 dollars is only just a small amount of money compared to what we have lost before and we will be lost in the future by the time we came back on the casino. We should realize that thing if we want to sincerely change our habit from bad to good.


Title: Re: Gambling addiction causing victim to scam his family
Post by: khaled0111 on May 27, 2022, 03:27:43 PM
If the bettors claims are true about Boyle Sports refusing to close his account when he asked them to do so and instead continued to lure him to play more by giving him free money, then Boyle Sports is definitely in the wrong. Such behavior is unethical and unacceptable. I am sure no respectful casino would do such thing as it's their responsibility to protect their customers who have gambling problems.
This doesn't mean the bettor isn't in the wrong too. He scammed an innocent person and stole more than €56 (according to the article you linked) so he got what he deserved. The judge's ruling was correct.


Title: Re: Gambling addiction causing victim to scam his family
Post by: Silberman on May 27, 2022, 10:32:41 PM
If the bettors claims are true about Boyle Sports refusing to close his account when he asked them to do so and instead continued to lure him to play more by giving him free money, then Boyle Sports is definitely in the wrong. Such behavior is unethical and unacceptable. I am sure no respectful casino would do such thing as it's their responsibility to protect their customers who have gambling problems.
This doesn't mean the bettor isn't in the wrong too. He scammed an innocent person and stole more than €56 (according to the article you linked) so he got what he deserved. The judge's ruling was correct.
We will need to know the gambling regulation to understand if what they did was actually wrong, after all it is not rare that once you decide to cancel your account with a company that company tries to get you back by offering you a discount or something similar, something which I suppose we have all experimented, so it is possible that offering such bet after the account was closed was in fact allowed under the current regulations as this is something that many businesses do, but if that is the case then without a doubt I think the regulation should be changed, so free bets like that cannot be distributed to those which have decided to close their account at a casino.


Title: Re: Gambling addiction causing victim to scam his family
Post by: smyslov on May 27, 2022, 10:54:22 PM
If the bettors claims are true about Boyle Sports refusing to close his account when he asked them to do so and instead continued to lure him to play more by giving him free money, then Boyle Sports is definitely in the wrong. Such behavior is unethical and unacceptable. I am sure no respectful casino would do such thing as it's their responsibility to protect their customers who have gambling problems.


If proven that there is refusal and sending of promotions is intentional then Boyle Sports is liable for damages incurred by the complainant, but Boyle sports will always have a defense if they have a third party service that manages their newsletter the complainant is still liable, his being a compulsive gambler is never a defense to scam people, they will accept people who are mentally disordered, he still has criminal liability on his action.


Title: Re: Gambling addiction causing victim to scam his family
Post by: Wiwo on May 28, 2022, 09:23:18 AM
If the bettors claims are true about Boyle Sports refusing to close his account when he asked them to do so and instead continued to lure him to play more by giving him free money, then Boyle Sports is definitely in the wrong. Such behavior is unethical and unacceptable. I am sure no respectful casino would do such a thing as it's their responsibility to protect their customers who have gambling problems.
This doesn't mean the bettor isn't in the wrong too. He scammed an innocent person and stole more than €56 (according to the article you linked) so he got what he deserved. The judge's ruling was correct.
I was thinking in the same direction as your view not until I read the whole article and I will advise you do the same to get the whole story correctly, the sole responsibility is left to the gambler to protect himself from being lured into what he already self-excluded and be careful not to get tempted and the man in question already have the habit of scamming his family even before he start gambling, Boyle sport just gave him the platform to burn out the money fast by gambling it away excessively. In this case, both are guilty and I will not blame only one party since there are two parties involved and they both deviated from the ethical way of doing things.


Title: Re: Gambling addiction causing victim to scam his family
Post by: _act_ on May 28, 2022, 10:42:26 AM
I think he was not completely able to beat his addiction as we saw that it lasted until he had an offer in his email to play for free a little amount as a gift from the casino website.If he was truly convinced to leave gambling once and for all he should have also unsubscribed from all the casinos and their marketing emails.When I see my email it is full of such offers (not free money) but marketing emails from the casinos I play the most at.If I want to quit gambling for good,I unsubscribe from all these marketing emails from the gambling companies.
I like your idea, it can help to quit gambling addiction to some extent but if someone is very addicted, he can unsubscribe from the emails and still he will still later find himself gambling.

I got someone that receive the emails and with free bets but yet not even using the money to bet again. I noticed some people only want to make money from gambling and see it as job, the person I am talking about got job and quite after being a gambling addict for like 3 or 4 years.

I still think there should be better but additional means that needs to be involved for an addict to stop gambling.

That aside, to scam family is completely awful and not making any sense. Besides, not even on something like business but on gambling. That is completely out of sense.


Title: Re: Gambling addiction causing victim to scam his family
Post by: Fortify on May 28, 2022, 10:54:44 AM


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It was established that the two accounts, to which the payments totalling €56,000 were made, were a personal bank account and a Boyle Sports account, both in Thomas O’Connell’s name. The payments varied from €100 to €1000 and averaged at just over €200.
“Contact was almost on a daily basis – sometimes a couple of times on a particular day. He admitted that he took €56,000 and impersonated (the solicitor),” Det. Garda Fuller said. O’Connell was actually a client of the solicitor he impersonated. The defendant had a gambling and alcohol addiction.
The phone calls and texts – supposedly from the solicitor - to the victim were a work of fiction by 48-year-old Thomas O’Connell who did not stop until he got his hands on every euro of the €56,000 the victim had inherited.



The most shocking part of this whole story, like so many other times when this happens, is the whole sum that was involved. 56k would be a huge sum to most people and this was extracted in probably a year or two, this is a substantial sum that could have given them such a big head start if they had not frittered it away. You've got to wonder how someone gets to the age of 48 years old and has not figured out what a futile activity gambling is - that sort of sum could easily have padded out their retirement instead of dreams and stress of trying to attain a mythical big win. At that sort of age, it is really hard to have any sympathy for them because they should have learned the pitfalls a long time ago.


Title: Re: Gambling addiction causing victim to scam his family
Post by: dezoel on May 29, 2022, 05:15:46 PM
In my neighbourhood, I have seen a guy selling his parent's house and gambling away all the funds gathered and obviously lost them all. Even worst his parents were struggling with some health issues and when they came to know about it, their son had suicided already in guilt and pressure from his friends for the payment of the remaining amount. Somehow everyone in the society came forward and helped but I can't even share the kind of emotions everyone went through, even though most of us didn't even know what exactly happened.

Gambling addiction sucks. Period. But, gambling itself isn't the problem it's the excessive gambling and the mentality that sucks and makes gambling look like such a bad thing. It's the same with alcohol and tobacco, you consume once in a while and you're fine (most likely) but if you repeat and make it your addiction, you will be in trouble tomorrow if not today.


Title: Re: Gambling addiction causing victim to scam his family
Post by: Saint-loup on May 29, 2022, 09:43:49 PM
In my neighbourhood, I have seen a guy selling his parent's house and gambling away all the funds gathered and obviously lost them all. Even worst his parents were struggling with some health issues and when they came to know about it, their son had suicided already in guilt and pressure from his friends for the payment of the remaining amount. Somehow everyone in the society came forward and helped but I can't even share the kind of emotions everyone went through, even though most of us didn't even know what exactly happened.

Gambling addiction sucks. Period. But, gambling itself isn't the problem it's the excessive gambling and the mentality that sucks and makes gambling look like such a bad thing. It's the same with alcohol and tobacco, you consume once in a while and you're fine (most likely) but if you repeat and make it your addiction, you will be in trouble tomorrow if not today.
I'm not sure gambling is the main culprit in your story and in the story of OP. The main culprit here, is dishonesty IMO, gambling had only been a trigger that could have been something else either. Not everyone is able to start to lie, to rob or to kill to satisfy a gambling addiction.


Title: Re: Gambling addiction causing victim to scam his family
Post by: Tumanggor on May 29, 2022, 10:20:38 PM
Total avoidance and self realization are the only one things that can help one to stop it.
The thing is when you already realized it and want to correct your mistake, you're too late. Most people realize when he have done something big mistake e.g. sold all of his asset, jailed, have serious disease etc. Without think twice before made a decision, they will do anything that can satisfy them.
people today will not want to change without a big disaster that befell them and their surroundings (family or friends). There have been many cases where gamblers sold family assets just to gamble and lost. This is really worrying because when this disaster happens, people will definitely stay away from that person



Title: Re: Gambling addiction causing victim to scam his family
Post by: blockman on May 29, 2022, 10:30:28 PM
In my neighbourhood, I have seen a guy selling his parent's house and gambling away all the funds gathered and obviously lost them all. Even worst his parents were struggling with some health issues and when they came to know about it, their son had suicided already in guilt and pressure from his friends for the payment of the remaining amount. Somehow everyone in the society came forward and helped but I can't even share the kind of emotions everyone went through, even though most of us didn't even know what exactly happened.
This is sad not only for the gambler but for everyone who's got involved with it but mostly, to the parents. They've lost their son and as well as the home that they've worked hard for. By just reading it, there's already the sadness that ticked me and this story really happens in real life and we don't know how many family were devastated by someone who's too addicted in gambling and also not just in gambling but also being addicted in other vices that one cannot be controlled anymore.


Title: Re: Gambling addiction causing victim to scam his family
Post by: South Park on May 30, 2022, 05:10:23 AM
Total avoidance and self realization are the only one things that can help one to stop it.
The thing is when you already realized it and want to correct your mistake, you're too late. Most people realize when he have done something big mistake e.g. sold all of his asset, jailed, have serious disease etc. Without think twice before made a decision, they will do anything that can satisfy them.
people today will not want to change without a big disaster that befell them and their surroundings (family or friends). There have been many cases where gamblers sold family assets just to gamble and lost. This is really worrying because when this disaster happens, people will definitely stay away from that person


When a person is addicted they are not thinking clearly and things that are awful ideas seem like great ideas in their deranged minds, without a doubt stealing is already bad enough but stealing from your own family makes this even worse as that tell us that this person will do anything to keep their addiction going regardless of the people they have to hurt in the process, which is why those which recover from an addiction still feel alienated from their own families as they cannot erase all the bad things they did to them in the past.


Title: Re: Gambling addiction causing victim to scam his family
Post by: freedomgo on May 30, 2022, 06:24:24 PM
Total avoidance and self realization are the only one things that can help one to stop it.
The thing is when you already realized it and want to correct your mistake, you're too late. Most people realize when he have done something big mistake e.g. sold all of his asset, jailed, have serious disease etc. Without think twice before made a decision, they will do anything that can satisfy them.
people today will not want to change without a big disaster that befell them and their surroundings (family or friends). There have been many cases where gamblers sold family assets just to gamble and lost. This is really worrying because when this disaster happens, people will definitely stay away from that person


When a person is addicted they are not thinking clearly and things that are awful ideas seem like great ideas in their deranged minds, without a doubt stealing is already bad enough but stealing from your own family makes this even worse as that tell us that this person will do anything to keep their addiction going regardless of the people they have to hurt in the process, which is why those which recover from an addiction still feel alienated from their own families as they cannot erase all the bad things they did to them in the past.
That's the truth, we might don't know because we're not in their shoes but these are true. Being addicted in a gambling was never a good situation because they would start stealing and selling some things just to feed their minds to gamble again.

Well, if these addicts has recovered then of course their own families will gave them a 2nd chance, but the mind of their family and the people who surround them was already programmed to take some preventive measures before they regret it again because they cannot honestly forget the mistakes in the past. Better be safe than sorry.


Title: Re: Gambling addiction causing victim to scam his family
Post by: Fatunad on May 30, 2022, 07:24:57 PM
Total avoidance and self realization are the only one things that can help one to stop it.
The thing is when you already realized it and want to correct your mistake, you're too late. Most people realize when he have done something big mistake e.g. sold all of his asset, jailed, have serious disease etc. Without think twice before made a decision, they will do anything that can satisfy them.
people today will not want to change without a big disaster that befell them and their surroundings (family or friends). There have been many cases where gamblers sold family assets just to gamble and lost. This is really worrying because when this disaster happens, people will definitely stay away from that person


When a person is addicted they are not thinking clearly and things that are awful ideas seem like great ideas in their deranged minds, without a doubt stealing is already bad enough but stealing from your own family makes this even worse as that tell us that this person will do anything to keep their addiction going regardless of the people they have to hurt in the process, which is why those which recover from an addiction still feel alienated from their own families as they cannot erase all the bad things they did to them in the past.
That's the truth, we might don't know because we're not in their shoes but these are true. Being addicted in a gambling was never a good situation because they would start stealing and selling some things just to feed their minds to gamble again.

Well, if these addicts has recovered then of course their own families will gave them a 2nd chance, but the mind of their family and the people who surround them was already programmed to take some preventive measures before they regret it again because they cannot honestly forget the mistakes in the past. Better be safe than sorry.
Once addiction do becomes severe then you would really be making yourself able to find ways for you to play no matter what the cost or on what way you would really be able to attain the funds for you to do so
thats why whenever you do get involved yourself into gambling then be sure that you would really able to control your pulses and dont make yourself  get hook to addiction
because if you do then you would really be having a big problem in the future which it wouldnt not only involved money but also in other aspects as well like family and relations
would be also affected.


Title: Re: Gambling addiction causing victim to scam his family
Post by: Viscore on May 30, 2022, 08:36:46 PM
On a second thought the gambler was able to beat his gambling addiction but, he failed at foregoing his addiction for greed. The company must have sent same promotional mail to every other member of the Casino. The gambler out of greed exhausted the $50 offer and yet was not satisfied by it. However, the casino tricked him using a $50 bait to lure him back into the gambling world knowing pretty well that he is greedy.

I think he was not completely able to beat his addiction as we saw that it lasted until he had an offer in his email to play for free a little amount as a gift from the casino website.If he was truly convinced to leave gambling once and for all he should have also unsubscribed from all the casinos and their marketing emails.When I see my email it is full of such offers (not free money) but marketing emails from the casinos I play the most at.If I want to quit gambling for good,I unsubscribe from all these marketing emails from the gambling companies.
I also think so. Although he really wants to stop gambling and fight his addiction, but knowing he still grab the chance of free money to gamble again and prolong his addiction, then that proves that he himself is still the one who should be mostly blamed. Casinos do always send us convincing invitations but deciding it to take or not is already on the gambler itself. I can see that this gambler has not completely beaten his addiction as he can still be easily lured just with all those tempting acts from the casino.


Title: Re: Gambling addiction causing victim to scam his family
Post by: Theones on May 30, 2022, 10:17:27 PM
On a second thought the gambler was able to beat his gambling addiction but, he failed at foregoing his addiction for greed. The company must have sent same promotional mail to every other member of the Casino. The gambler out of greed exhausted the $50 offer and yet was not satisfied by it. However, the casino tricked him using a $50 bait to lure him back into the gambling world knowing pretty well that he is greedy.

I think he was not completely able to beat his addiction as we saw that it lasted until he had an offer in his email to play for free a little amount as a gift from the casino website.If he was truly convinced to leave gambling once and for all he should have also unsubscribed from all the casinos and their marketing emails.When I see my email it is full of such offers (not free money) but marketing emails from the casinos I play the most at.If I want to quit gambling for good,I unsubscribe from all these marketing emails from the gambling companies.
I also think so. Although he really wants to stop gambling and fight his addiction, but knowing he still grab the chance of free money to gamble again and prolong his addiction, then that proves that he himself is still the one who should be mostly blamed. Casinos do always send us convincing invitations but deciding it to take or not is already on the gambler itself. I can see that this gambler has not completely beaten his addiction as he can still be easily lured just with all those tempting acts from the casino.
Where there is money there are scammers. We cannot avoid scams but we can definitely keep ourself safe but not becoming the prey of them.
But bad does not knock before getting in. So one should be a little vigilent - when it comes gambling - being vigilant does not hurt.


Title: Re: Gambling addiction causing victim to scam his family
Post by: TribalBob on May 30, 2022, 10:40:55 PM
What's wrong is that bettors go to the Boylesports site because Boylesports only runs their SOP by offering their superior products, everything goes back to the players actually.


Title: Re: Gambling addiction causing victim to scam his family
Post by: Tumanggor on May 30, 2022, 11:16:14 PM
When a person is addicted they are not thinking clearly and things that are awful ideas seem like great ideas in their deranged minds, without a doubt stealing is already bad enough but stealing from your own family makes this even worse as that tell us that this person will do anything to keep their addiction going regardless of the people they have to hurt in the process, which is why those which recover from an addiction still feel alienated from their own families as they cannot erase all the bad things they did to them in the past.
Of course his family won't easily trust that person again, trauma with the past is something that is difficult to erase for those who are hurt

I've seen a lot of people (around my neighborhood) who recovered from their addiction (go home to rehab) not being trusted 100% like they used to again by their families


Title: Re: Gambling addiction causing victim to scam his family
Post by: traderethereum on May 31, 2022, 02:23:09 AM
Of course his family won't easily trust that person again, trauma with the past is something that is difficult to erase for those who are hurt

I've seen a lot of people (around my neighborhood) who recovered from their addiction (go home to rehab) not being trusted 100% like they used to again by their families
But if the addicted person can recover and really change, I think they can get a second chance to be a real change person.
Those of us who live with that person must also realize that they will not always be like that and must give them a second chance because they will truly change if they can overcome their addiction.
But it may not be easy to give them trust and a second chance because we have been hurt because of what they have done.
The feeling of trauma and hurt must be released by having a sense of sincerity and grace so that we don't feel hurt again.


Title: Re: Gambling addiction causing victim to scam his family
Post by: Fortify on May 31, 2022, 05:50:23 AM
Here is the article:  https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/courtandcrime/arid-40875731.html (https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/courtandcrime/arid-40875731.html)
Apparently Boyle Sports manipulated a man is a very sad way where he ended up loosing all the money he scammed from a family member. The man had probelms with Gambling and he tried to stop by closing the account on the website and at the end of the day they saw him stopping but kept sending him mails and at the same time, they apparently sent him a 50$ free betting which at the end ending up to be awful for him since he started it again and ended up loosing all the fortune. The whole things is extremely complex like Some Sherlock Holmes story. The person was not infact gullible since to fuel his gambling addiction he scammed his family member and then went to court and pleaded guilty as well blamed it all on the Boyle Sports.
What do you think who was in the wrong ?
I think both the bettor and the Boyle Sports were in the wrong.
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It was established that the two accounts, to which the payments totalling €56,000 were made, were a personal bank account and a Boyle Sports account, both in Thomas O’Connell’s name. The payments varied from €100 to €1000 and averaged at just over €200.
“Contact was almost on a daily basis – sometimes a couple of times on a particular day. He admitted that he took €56,000 and impersonated (the solicitor),” Det. Garda Fuller said. O’Connell was actually a client of the solicitor he impersonated. The defendant had a gambling and alcohol addiction.
The phone calls and texts – supposedly from the solicitor - to the victim were a work of fiction by 48-year-old Thomas O’Connell who did not stop until he got his hands on every euro of the €56,000 the victim had inherited.



I think that the lack of working self exclusion with Boyle sports needs to be addressed, maybe by an official regulator who properly tests these things. They're certainly quick enough to restrict your account if you win money from them, that's for sure. However that does not condone the criminal actions of this person who effectively committed fraud in order to play a game. Having a gambling addiction does not automatically mean you steal from others, so separate that right out.


Title: Re: Gambling addiction causing victim to scam his family
Post by: LogitechMouse on May 31, 2022, 08:29:50 AM
What do you think who was in the wrong ?
I think both the bettor and the Boyle Sports were in the wrong.
It's the gambler that is wrong here
Maybe some here see what the Boyle Sports did was wrong because they took advantage of the bettor since they know that he is addicted to gambling already but I think it's part of their business to attract more gamblers for more profit. Of course I see it also as a wrong thing to do but if they really want to get some money, they will do it.

The problem with the gambler is that, yes he closed his account trying to fight his addiction but he failed to do it. He got attracted again by those free money to be used for him to bet. It's easy to say that "He might've ignored it and move on to his life" but we aren't in his situation. With what happened, maybe this is the only way for the gambler to beat his gambling addiction. I just hope that he learned from this incident.


Title: Re: Gambling addiction causing victim to scam his family
Post by: Razmirraz on May 31, 2022, 09:06:42 AM
When a person is addicted they are not thinking clearly and things that are awful ideas seem like great ideas in their deranged minds, without a doubt stealing is already bad enough but stealing from your own family makes this even worse as that tell us that this person will do anything to keep their addiction going regardless of the people they have to hurt in the process, which is why those which recover from an addiction still feel alienated from their own families as they cannot erase all the bad things they did to them in the past.
Of course his family won't easily trust that person again, trauma with the past is something that is difficult to erase for those who are hurt

I've seen a lot of people (around my neighborhood) who recovered from their addiction (go home to rehab) not being trusted 100% like they used to again by their families
Trust will be lost from the people around because of bad behavior, people who are addicted to gambling will always think about how to get easy money. The family can only persuade them to stop gambling because they do not want their family members to go the wrong way, without the desire to stop gambling, the advice of the family will be in vain.
The impact of bad behavior makes gambling addicts will be ostracized, both in their family and closest friends. Anyone will not easily trust someone who has not left a bad habit, because it will make them feel used with sweet words from the mouth of a gambling addict.


Title: Re: Gambling addiction causing victim to scam his family
Post by: cabron on May 31, 2022, 09:35:35 AM
When a person is addicted they are not thinking clearly and things that are awful ideas seem like great ideas in their deranged minds, without a doubt stealing is already bad enough but stealing from your own family makes this even worse as that tell us that this person will do anything to keep their addiction going regardless of the people they have to hurt in the process, which is why those which recover from an addiction still feel alienated from their own families as they cannot erase all the bad things they did to them in the past.
Of course his family won't easily trust that person again, trauma with the past is something that is difficult to erase for those who are hurt

I've seen a lot of people (around my neighborhood) who recovered from their addiction (go home to rehab) not being trusted 100% like they used to again by their families
Trust will be lost from the people around because of bad behavior, people who are addicted to gambling will always think about how to get easy money. The family can only persuade them to stop gambling because they do not want their family members to go the wrong way, without the desire to stop gambling, the advice of the family will be in vain.
The impact of bad behavior makes gambling addicts will be ostracized, both in their family and closest friends. Anyone will not easily trust someone who has not left a bad habit, because it will make them feel used with sweet words from the mouth of a gambling addict.

It requires a tremendous care for this addicted person from a family member. Must be a caring mother. Other member of the family will not be easy for they already have in their mind that if he had scammed the family which is his blood, who else will he NOT scam?  It is like betraying your blood. That's why family members will really despise him for this act.

And its all because of this gambling addiction. He'd have to turn his life around, get rich probably and show the world how much he had changed and perhaps the family will accept him.  Turning his life around is NOT impossible.  Its not too late.




Title: Re: Gambling addiction causing victim to scam his family
Post by: imamusma on May 31, 2022, 10:08:34 AM
Trust will be lost from the people around because of bad behavior, people who are addicted to gambling will always think about how to get easy money. The family can only persuade them to stop gambling because they do not want their family members to go the wrong way, without the desire to stop gambling, the advice of the family will be in vain.
The impact of bad behavior makes gambling addicts will be ostracized, both in their family and closest friends. Anyone will not easily trust someone who has not left a bad habit, because it will make them feel used with sweet words from the mouth of a gambling addict.
The family becomes an important point to encourage those who are already heavily addicted to gambling to be able to stop and return to their previous activities. The issue of trust can be reclaimed by gamblers if they are able to reverse the situation where they are able to stop all gambling activities. and as we know gamblers are usually mentally affected by the environment so this is a concern for those around them to take good care and provide useful advice for their lives.


Title: Re: Gambling addiction causing victim to scam his family
Post by: livingfree on May 31, 2022, 10:13:30 AM
people today will not want to change without a big disaster that befell them and their surroundings (family or friends). There have been many cases where gamblers sold family assets just to gamble and lost. This is really worrying because when this disaster happens, people will definitely stay away from that person
It's because they've got their mindset looking only into gambling and they don't think of the setback that choice they choose.

The emotion crumbles as they force what they want to happen even it will be a big risk that will not just include them but also their family.

It's actually worrying when a gambler goes up to that point and he hears none that gives feedback to his actions as he only listens to himself and with no one.


Title: Re: Gambling addiction causing victim to scam his family
Post by: YinShuiSiYuan on May 31, 2022, 11:30:49 AM
Trust will be lost from the people around because of bad behavior, people who are addicted to gambling will always think about how to get easy money. The family can only persuade them to stop gambling because they do not want their family members to go the wrong way, without the desire to stop gambling, the advice of the family will be in vain.
The impact of bad behavior makes gambling addicts will be ostracized, both in their family and closest friends. Anyone will not easily trust someone who has not left a bad habit, because it will make them feel used with sweet words from the mouth of a gambling addict.

No matter how much we support gambling it bring with it bad things. The story OP is narrating is not the first nor the last one. There are scores of such stories, in my view gambling is fine as long as you have control over yourself. Once you got addiction of gambling, you can't control yourself and you will end up destroying yourself.


Title: Re: Gambling addiction causing victim to scam his family
Post by: Silberman on May 31, 2022, 10:11:22 PM
In my neighbourhood, I have seen a guy selling his parent's house and gambling away all the funds gathered and obviously lost them all. Even worst his parents were struggling with some health issues and when they came to know about it, their son had suicided already in guilt and pressure from his friends for the payment of the remaining amount. Somehow everyone in the society came forward and helped but I can't even share the kind of emotions everyone went through, even though most of us didn't even know what exactly happened.

Gambling addiction sucks. Period. But, gambling itself isn't the problem it's the excessive gambling and the mentality that sucks and makes gambling look like such a bad thing. It's the same with alcohol and tobacco, you consume once in a while and you're fine (most likely) but if you repeat and make it your addiction, you will be in trouble tomorrow if not today.
Stories similar to that happen very frequently among those which are addicted to gambling, however their compulsive behavior is to blame because if they did not got addicted to gambling then they would have gotten addicted to something else and go through similar results, people need to accept gambling for what it is, which is a form of entertainment and stop thinking about the possibility of making a living through gambling as that is something almost impossible to do.


Title: Re: Gambling addiction causing victim to scam his family
Post by: AmoreJaz on May 31, 2022, 10:15:23 PM
people today will not want to change without a big disaster that befell them and their surroundings (family or friends). There have been many cases where gamblers sold family assets just to gamble and lost. This is really worrying because when this disaster happens, people will definitely stay away from that person
It's because they've got their mindset looking only into gambling and they don't think of the setback that choice they choose.

The emotion crumbles as they force what they want to happen even it will be a big risk that will not just include them but also their family.

It's actually worrying when a gambler goes up to that point and he hears none that gives feedback to his actions as he only listens to himself and with no one.

those are already deep in their gambling activities. just like any vice, if a person is already addicted to it, their logic reasoning is already outside the window.  so if you are a gambler and you feel that you are heading to possible addiction, you need to contemplate of what's going on with your life before it is too late to pull back from this addiction.  this is the reason why many are looking at gambling on a negative aspect because of what they are seeing to the people who are gambling addicts.


Title: Re: Gambling addiction causing victim to scam his family
Post by: dunfida on May 31, 2022, 10:27:53 PM
people today will not want to change without a big disaster that befell them and their surroundings (family or friends). There have been many cases where gamblers sold family assets just to gamble and lost. This is really worrying because when this disaster happens, people will definitely stay away from that person
It's because they've got their mindset looking only into gambling and they don't think of the setback that choice they choose.

The emotion crumbles as they force what they want to happen even it will be a big risk that will not just include them but also their family.

It's actually worrying when a gambler goes up to that point and he hears none that gives feedback to his actions as he only listens to himself and with no one.

those are already deep in their gambling activities. just like any vice, if a person is already addicted to it, their logic reasoning is already outside the window.  so if you are a gambler and you feel that you are heading to possible addiction, you need to contemplate of what's going on with your life before it is too late to pull back from this addiction.
Self control and discipline would be the key because not all people would really be having a good control towards self and not really minding about the possible situations that they might faced up ahead if they would

tolerate such addiction which we know that this is something that could really mess up your entire life but if you dont really care or just simply ignoring it then accept the consequences later on.

Scamming or affecting people around is something very common for a gambling addict to commit on.



Title: Re: Gambling addiction causing victim to scam his family
Post by: Pamadar on June 01, 2022, 12:32:37 PM
people today will not want to change without a big disaster that befell them and their surroundings (family or friends). There have been many cases where gamblers sold family assets just to gamble and lost. This is really worrying because when this disaster happens, people will definitely stay away from that person
It's because they've got their mindset looking only into gambling and they don't think of the setback that choice they choose.

The emotion crumbles as they force what they want to happen even it will be a big risk that will not just include them but also their family.

It's actually worrying when a gambler goes up to that point and he hears none that gives feedback to his actions as he only listens to himself and with no one.

those are already deep in their gambling activities. just like any vice, if a person is already addicted to it, their logic reasoning is already outside the window.  so if you are a gambler and you feel that you are heading to possible addiction, you need to contemplate of what's going on with your life before it is too late to pull back from this addiction.
Self control and discipline would be the key because not all people would really be having a good control towards self and not really minding about the possible situations that they might faced up ahead if they would

tolerate such addiction which we know that this is something that could really mess up your entire life but if you dont really care or just simply ignoring it then accept the consequences later on.

Scamming or affecting people around is something very common for a gambling addict to commit on.




Common effects of people who are already out of control for being a gambler, the kind of bad effects

when addiction surrounds your whole mindsets, stealing, robberies, lending and scamming are part of what people can do.
Gambling addicted person is so desperate to find ways to produce money to continue these vices, they are no longer afraid of any consequence, they just wanted to please the lust inside their minds.


Title: Re: Gambling addiction causing victim to scam his family
Post by: Despairo on June 01, 2022, 01:19:00 PM
Common effects of people who are already out of control for being a gambler, the kind of bad effects

when addiction surrounds your whole mindsets, stealing, robberies, lending and scamming are part of what people can do.
Gambling addicted person is so desperate to find ways to produce money to continue these vices, they are no longer afraid of any consequence, they just wanted to please the lust inside their minds.
Such person is really need a professional to take care of him, I'd say beggars are more better than gambling addicts because beggars didn't make anyone got harm from his action, they only need money to buy foods, if not they will eat from leftover foods. If gambling addict can't change his mind and become more realistic to manage his money and his action, he could be lunatic/insane person.


Title: Re: Gambling addiction causing victim to scam his family
Post by: hahay on June 01, 2022, 01:30:32 PM
Common effects of people who are already out of control for being a gambler, the kind of bad effects

when addiction surrounds your whole mindsets, stealing, robberies, lending and scamming are part of what people can do.
Gambling addicted person is so desperate to find ways to produce money to continue these vices, they are no longer afraid of any consequence, they just wanted to please the lust inside their minds.
Such person is really need a professional to take care of him, I'd say beggars are more better than gambling addicts because beggars didn't make anyone got harm from his action, they only need money to buy foods, if not they will eat from leftover foods. If gambling addict can't change his mind and become more realistic to manage his money and his action, he could be lunatic/insane person.
That's the reason there are countries that prohibit gambling, they don't want their citizens to get a lot of criminal cases due to gambling. In fact, countries that legalize gambling also have rules for gambling itself which in essence, they really don't want underage children to know about gambling because they don't have control. Meanwhile, gambling addicts are old players but not all gambling addicts have the awareness to control themselves, this is what makes them commit criminal acts that are very detrimental to people around them, especially to their own families.


Title: Re: Gambling addiction causing victim to scam his family
Post by: alegotardo on June 01, 2022, 01:33:04 PM
Such person is really need a professional to take care of him, I'd say beggars are more better than gambling addicts because beggars didn't make anyone got harm from his action, they only need money to buy foods, if not they will eat from leftover foods. If gambling addict can't change his mind and become more realistic to manage his money and his action, he could be lunatic/insane person.

it depends... there are many beggars who have found a way out of the cruel world in which they live in drugs.
So a beggar can also be an addict and do bad things to other people to maintain his addiction.
But I agree with you about the need for someone to take care of these people, and in the case of gambling addiction, the first help needs to come from the family, because it is surely he who will notice the first signs that something is not right.


Title: Re: Gambling addiction causing victim to scam his family
Post by: herurist on June 01, 2022, 02:23:13 PM
Such person is really need a professional to take care of him, I'd say beggars are more better than gambling addicts because beggars didn't make anyone got harm from his action, they only need money to buy foods, if not they will eat from leftover foods. If gambling addict can't change his mind and become more realistic to manage his money and his action, he could be lunatic/insane person.

it depends... there are many beggars who have found a way out of the cruel world in which they live in drugs.
So a beggar can also be an addict and do bad things to other people to maintain his addiction.
But I agree with you about the need for someone to take care of these people, and in the case of gambling addiction, the first help needs to come from the family, because it is surely he who will notice the first signs that something is not right.
The problem is if this says beggars it will be very difficult to happen. I don't know what it's like in your country but for my country most of these beggars don't have many families and indeed often group together and like to make groups with each other and of course this is not a good choice if it is to remind each other.
Even though not all of them are like that, most of them do take shortcuts like this, but only a few are successful and even count the fingers and the rest end up badly and are addicted


Title: Re: Gambling addiction causing victim to scam his family
Post by: dunfida on June 01, 2022, 02:43:45 PM
people today will not want to change without a big disaster that befell them and their surroundings (family or friends). There have been many cases where gamblers sold family assets just to gamble and lost. This is really worrying because when this disaster happens, people will definitely stay away from that person
It's because they've got their mindset looking only into gambling and they don't think of the setback that choice they choose.

The emotion crumbles as they force what they want to happen even it will be a big risk that will not just include them but also their family.

It's actually worrying when a gambler goes up to that point and he hears none that gives feedback to his actions as he only listens to himself and with no one.

those are already deep in their gambling activities. just like any vice, if a person is already addicted to it, their logic reasoning is already outside the window.  so if you are a gambler and you feel that you are heading to possible addiction, you need to contemplate of what's going on with your life before it is too late to pull back from this addiction.
Self control and discipline would be the key because not all people would really be having a good control towards self and not really minding about the possible situations that they might faced up ahead if they would

tolerate such addiction which we know that this is something that could really mess up your entire life but if you dont really care or just simply ignoring it then accept the consequences later on.

Scamming or affecting people around is something very common for a gambling addict to commit on.




Common effects of people who are already out of control for being a gambler, the kind of bad effects

when addiction surrounds your whole mindsets, stealing, robberies, lending and scamming are part of what people can do.
Gambling addicted person is so desperate to find ways to produce money to continue these vices, they are no longer afraid of any consequence, they just wanted to please the lust inside their minds.

So,its better to stop yourself midway if you are aware that you are on the verge of addiction or something that connects out on possible bad scenarios or outcomes when you do make yourself get addicted

and able to commit out those kind of mistakes or crimes just because you are really that aiming to play even more.It is really just normal for a human to find other sources on where he could possibly get.
Any forms of addiction would really be having that kind of outcome if it goes severe and people do only make learning when everything is already been messed up.


Title: Re: Gambling addiction causing victim to scam his family
Post by: LUCKMCFLY on June 01, 2022, 03:09:44 PM

What do you think who was in the wrong ?
I think both the bettor and the Boyle Sports were in the wrong.

Both are indeed wrong but there's no law that could really make out immediate or proper action specially if there would no agreements involved like "self-exclusions" which the user had made out some
request for him not to recieve any mails in related with promotions because its totally irresponsible or mistake if they do still sent out despite of such condition or scenario.

As a gambling addict then you could do sort of things which it would be mainly affecting on people around you even with your own family which you could really be
able to scam out specially if you dont have money to spent through gambling.



You are absolutely right, in addiction to games it is very easy to lose control and in less than expected you can see problems with the same family, because what the player wants is to have a lot of money to continue playing because according to him, he has the secret to win, and it is not like that, it is his own addiction, in a tv program I saw as a professional person, a lawyer got his family into trouble, he got into debt and used his parents and siblings to having a lot of money and betting it, of course he lost everything, and when he felt bad he wanted to kill himself, it was because of his brother that he prevented it, however they took him to a clinic and they saved him, because he was poisoned.


I have friends who are addicted to games, every day they only focus on playing games and if there is no money they will borrow money from friends and relatives just to be able to play games. People who are addicted to games will no longer focus on work, if for younger students they often skip school and can no longer focus on studying because they are addicted to games.

Is that this is the danger, because the family and friends the day they have no money, what are those game addicts going to do? if they don't get the way to play they go into crisis and I think they could do whatever it takes to continue playing and this is something that sometimes they can't control themselves, for me the first step is to go to a good psychologist and accept what they have a problem, that they need to do something urgent because that addiction will cause their life to fade away and cause problems that can be irreversible, some of them can even lead to death.


Title: Re: Gambling addiction causing victim to scam his family
Post by: qwertyup23 on June 01, 2022, 03:42:05 PM
Such person is really need a professional to take care of him, I'd say beggars are more better than gambling addicts because beggars didn't make anyone got harm from his action, they only need money to buy foods, if not they will eat from leftover foods. If gambling addict can't change his mind and become more realistic to manage his money and his action, he could be lunatic/insane person.

it depends... there are many beggars who have found a way out of the cruel world in which they live in drugs.
So a beggar can also be an addict and do bad things to other people to maintain his addiction.
But I agree with you about the need for someone to take care of these people, and in the case of gambling addiction, the first help needs to come from the family, because it is surely he who will notice the first signs that something is not right.

I think this is a failed comparison as beggars and gamblers are worlds apart from each other.

Beggars always have that potential of becoming potential criminals due to the nature of their circumstances- they have no food and rely on alms to at least eat one or twice a day (not to discriminate all beggars). Though gamblers also have that potential, they are at less risk of evolving into one since their situation can be remedied IF (emphasized on IF) they change their habits and ways.

Unlike beggars, the only way to remedy their situation is having a good foundational education and get a stable job.


Title: Re: Gambling addiction causing victim to scam his family
Post by: BitcoinPanther on June 01, 2022, 06:50:36 PM

So,its better to stop yourself midway if you are aware that you are on the verge of addiction or something that connects out on possible bad scenarios or outcomes when you do make yourself get addicted
and able to commit out those kind of mistakes or crimes just because you are really that aiming to play even more.

It isn't easy for a player to stop themselves when they are on the verge of addiction unless they have a strong will and some self-discipline.  I think it is better to get have a medical check-up on gambling addiction, this way doctors can prescribe medication that will help them control the urge for gambling.



Title: Re: Gambling addiction causing victim to scam his family
Post by: Mahanton on June 01, 2022, 06:55:19 PM

So,its better to stop yourself midway if you are aware that you are on the verge of addiction or something that connects out on possible bad scenarios or outcomes when you do make yourself get addicted
and able to commit out those kind of mistakes or crimes just because you are really that aiming to play even more.

It isn't easy for a player to stop themselves when they are on the verge of addiction unless they have a strong will and some self-discipline.  I think it is better to get have a medical check-up on gambling addiction, this way doctors can prescribe medication that will help them control the urge for gambling.


Its not really an easy situation because once you do get yourself addicted with gambling then there's no way that you could really get away from it easily unless if you do make yourself realized on midway
but its just on rare case that someone could able to do so because usually people wouldnt really tend nor care to listen up on others suggestion and advises but rather ignore them and just continue
on things that they would do as long they do have that gambling intent into their mind then its really almost impossible for them to be completely stopped or something in related
in such situation.


Title: Re: Gambling addiction causing victim to scam his family
Post by: livingfree on June 01, 2022, 09:38:50 PM
It's because they've got their mindset looking only into gambling and they don't think of the setback that choice they choose.

The emotion crumbles as they force what they want to happen even it will be a big risk that will not just include them but also their family.

It's actually worrying when a gambler goes up to that point and he hears none that gives feedback to his actions as he only listens to himself and with no one.

those are already deep in their gambling activities. just like any vice, if a person is already addicted to it, their logic reasoning is already outside the window.  so if you are a gambler and you feel that you are heading to possible addiction, you need to contemplate of what's going on with your life before it is too late to pull back from this addiction.  this is the reason why many are looking at gambling on a negative aspect because of what they are seeing to the people who are gambling addicts.
But it's gonna be hard to accept that a gambler is already on that point.

The denial part is way longer than what we can imagine because that's how they're doing it and not thinking that they're already on that point even the signs are clear.

Well, it's a matter of acceptance on their end and they will only do that when it's too late and the damage has already been done and there goes the regret.


Title: Re: Gambling addiction causing victim to scam his family
Post by: AakZaki on June 02, 2022, 01:35:28 AM
~snip~

when addiction surrounds your whole mindsets, stealing, robberies, lending and scamming are part of what people can do.
Gambling addicted person is so desperate to find ways to produce money to continue these vices, they are no longer afraid of any consequence, they just wanted to please the lust inside their minds.
It's an effect that happens to people who don't control themselves. I think not everyone has such a problem even if they gamble. It all depends on how they control themselves and their financial management. It will be very difficult for people who have had bad behaviors like the ones you tell me about. They will be difficult to heal, it may be that they will be crazy. Perhaps one way is to be taken to a soul master, although it takes a little time.


Title: Re: Gambling addiction causing victim to scam his family
Post by: Poker Player on June 02, 2022, 03:38:15 AM
~snip~

when addiction surrounds your whole mindsets, stealing, robberies, lending and scamming are part of what people can do.
Gambling addicted person is so desperate to find ways to produce money to continue these vices, they are no longer afraid of any consequence, they just wanted to please the lust inside their minds.
It's an effect that happens to people who don't control themselves. I think not everyone has such a problem even if they gamble. It all depends on how they control themselves and their financial management. It will be very difficult for people who have had bad behaviors like the ones you tell me about. They will be difficult to heal, it may be that they will be crazy. Perhaps one way is to be taken to a soul master, although it takes a little time.

I do not agree with what Pamadar says. Problem gamblers are different from those who are hooked on heroin or crack cocaine. They don't get to the point of stealing, for example, because gambling doesn't give physical addiction. People hooked on gambling may engage in destructive behaviors such as borrowing money to keep gambling, but they don't go around mugging people on the street like people addicted to certain drugs do because their body is asking for the fix.



Title: Re: Gambling addiction causing victim to scam his family
Post by: Cookdata on June 02, 2022, 04:50:38 AM
Such person is really need a professional to take care of him, I'd say beggars are more better than gambling addicts because beggars didn't make anyone got harm from his action, they only need money to buy foods, if not they will eat from leftover foods. If gambling addict can't change his mind and become more realistic to manage his money and his action, he could be lunatic/insane person.

Begging is not a good choice either, some people don't just depend on it for food, there are places in the other parts of the world that carry begging as business, some have used begging to cash out to buy cars, you see how lucrative the business is right.
About a gambler being addicted person as insane is sometimes through, the way they do things makes me think their behaviours are not like that of a normal person, I mean who goes back to something after losing a lot of money and ignores all advice.



Title: Re: Gambling addiction causing victim to scam his family
Post by: freedomgo on June 02, 2022, 06:11:14 PM
When a person is addicted they are not thinking clearly and things that are awful ideas seem like great ideas in their deranged minds, without a doubt stealing is already bad enough but stealing from your own family makes this even worse as that tell us that this person will do anything to keep their addiction going regardless of the people they have to hurt in the process, which is why those which recover from an addiction still feel alienated from their own families as they cannot erase all the bad things they did to them in the past.
That's the truth, we might don't know because we're not in their shoes but these are true. Being addicted in a gambling was never a good situation because they would start stealing and selling some things just to feed their minds to gamble again.

Well, if these addicts has recovered then of course their own families will gave them a 2nd chance, but the mind of their family and the people who surround them was already programmed to take some preventive measures before they regret it again because they cannot honestly forget the mistakes in the past. Better be safe than sorry.
Once addiction do becomes severe then you would really be making yourself able to find ways for you to play no matter what the cost or on what way you would really be able to attain the funds for you to do so
thats why whenever you do get involved yourself into gambling then be sure that you would really able to control your pulses and dont make yourself  get hook to addiction
because if you do then you would really be having a big problem in the future which it wouldnt not only involved money but also in other aspects as well like family and relations
would be also affected.

I certainly agree, there are many factors that a certain person will commit a robbery and one of those factors can be narrowed down to gambling addiction. Being addicted to gambling is not an easy problem because you would really have a hard time weighing some things and it will disable your senses to tell which one is right or wrong anymore because all you wanted is to gamble. For me, I know it's easy to tell these things because we are not in their shoes but it's just a matter of right perspective in the first place and having a boundary will always suffice.


Title: Re: Gambling addiction causing victim to scam his family
Post by: virasisog on June 02, 2022, 06:19:08 PM
Common effects of people who are already out of control for being a gambler, the kind of bad effects

when addiction surrounds your whole mindsets, stealing, robberies, lending and scamming are part of what people can do.
Gambling addicted person is so desperate to find ways to produce money to continue these vices, they are no longer afraid of any consequence, they just wanted to please the lust inside their minds.
Such person is really need a professional to take care of him, I'd say beggars are more better than gambling addicts because beggars didn't make anyone got harm from his action, they only need money to buy foods, if not they will eat from leftover foods. If gambling addict can't change his mind and become more realistic to manage his money and his action, he could be lunatic/insane person.

One of the headlines in our country today is about a person who have fallen into gambling addiction which ended up to killing his own parents after they refused to give him money to gamble. He hit them using a huge piece of rock which is really terrible. Lots of crimes related to gambling addiction are happening day by day. If a person is having a hard time dealing with gambling addiction, then he should seek professional help before it's too late.
Quitting right away wouldn't make you really stop because temptations are everywhere. Even a single email could make you decide to gamble again. Seeking professional advice would be a good step for a person to recover from it. Gambling addiction isn't curable in just a single night. It takes time and a person also needs to help himself.


Title: Re: Gambling addiction causing victim to scam his family
Post by: jostorres on June 02, 2022, 06:40:13 PM
Of course his family won't easily trust that person again, trauma with the past is something that is difficult to erase for those who are hurt

I've seen a lot of people (around my neighborhood) who recovered from their addiction (go home to rehab) not being trusted 100% like they used to again by their families
But if the addicted person can recover and really change, I think they can get a second chance to be a real change person.
Those of us who live with that person must also realize that they will not always be like that and must give them a second chance because they will truly change if they can overcome their addiction.
But it may not be easy to give them trust and a second chance because we have been hurt because of what they have done.
The feeling of trauma and hurt must be released by having a sense of sincerity and grace so that we don't feel hurt again.
Everybody deserves a second chance but they must prove it that they have totally changed. If not and they will still do it again for the third time then I think that must be the time for us to not forgive them anymore. That is enough to say that they will keep repeating their mistakes again and again.

There are several cases like this on the past where an addicted person goes back and forth inside the rehab but I don't know if what are the update to those guys now if they are still the same or if there's a miracle that happen and these guys have finally changed for the better. This is why some countries can ban gambling directly, to help combat the issue.


Title: Re: Gambling addiction causing victim to scam his family
Post by: dunfida on June 02, 2022, 08:39:59 PM

So,its better to stop yourself midway if you are aware that you are on the verge of addiction or something that connects out on possible bad scenarios or outcomes when you do make yourself get addicted
and able to commit out those kind of mistakes or crimes just because you are really that aiming to play even more.

It isn't easy for a player to stop themselves when they are on the verge of addiction unless they have a strong will and some self-discipline.  I think it is better to get have a medical check-up on gambling addiction, this way doctors can prescribe medication that will help them control the urge for gambling.


Cant really be helped if someone does have that addiction doesnt really tend to accept and realize on what are those mistakes that he had done.Medical attention or medication wont really be effective because he would

be still keeps coming back on playing gambling with having those kind of intent which is something that cant easily get rid of with.Being addicted to gambling would really comes severe or becomes worst

and this might involved actions which couldnt we believe that it could really happen even if it do involves its family members.


Title: Re: Gambling addiction causing victim to scam his family
Post by: Mr.right85 on June 02, 2022, 08:50:51 PM
Gamble responsibly and according to your own money,, i've seen cases were victims even sell they valuables just to gamble atimes you might be lucky to win and most times unfortunate to loose...there is no master in gambling it is just a case of luck,, and in most families I have seen they don't trust or give the gambler in the family the needed respect even if his or her is the first child,,, responsible gambling also prohibit gambling under the age of 18... And gambling companies should put in place adequate measures to tackle or to minimize under age gambling... because if they are not stopped now and they grow with it, it won't be good for the family name... adequate measures needs to be taken in our society so irresponsible gambling don't eat the younger generation to come


Title: Re: Gambling addiction causing victim to scam his family
Post by: Theones on June 03, 2022, 10:12:01 AM
In my neighbourhood, I have seen a guy selling his parent's house and gambling away all the funds gathered and obviously lost them all. Even worst his parents were struggling with some health issues and when they came to know about it, their son had suicided already in guilt and pressure from his friends for the payment of the remaining amount. Somehow everyone in the society came forward and helped but I can't even share the kind of emotions everyone went through, even though most of us didn't even know what exactly happened.

Gambling addiction sucks. Period. But, gambling itself isn't the problem it's the excessive gambling and the mentality that sucks and makes gambling look like such a bad thing. It's the same with alcohol and tobacco, you consume once in a while and you're fine (most likely) but if you repeat and make it your addiction, you will be in trouble tomorrow if not today.
Stories similar to that happen very frequently among those which are addicted to gambling, however their compulsive behavior is to blame because if they did not got addicted to gambling then they would have gotten addicted to something else and go through similar results, people need to accept gambling for what it is, which is a form of entertainment and stop thinking about the possibility of making a living through gambling as that is something almost impossible to do.
The stories and the people becoming bankrupt after the gambling are very common. We don't gamble in our region- so we mostly not aware of all these horrible side effects. But people here are surly scummed by ( i am not sure what are they called in your culture - but these are group of people who hypnotise people ) and they run away with their gold and money. World is full of these troublesome lot.


Title: Re: Gambling addiction causing victim to scam his family
Post by: SirLancelot on June 03, 2022, 11:00:09 AM
people today will not want to change without a big disaster that befell them and their surroundings (family or friends). There have been many cases where gamblers sold family assets just to gamble and lost. This is really worrying because when this disaster happens, people will definitely stay away from that person
It's because they've got their mindset looking only into gambling and they don't think of the setback that choice they choose.

The emotion crumbles as they force what they want to happen even it will be a big risk that will not just include them but also their family.

It's actually worrying when a gambler goes up to that point and he hears none that gives feedback to his actions as he only listens to himself and with no one.
Maybe the gambler plays secretly or playing alone on their own room? That is why they hear nothing other than their own selves but if their family member sees them, they should be concerned at the gambler and one of the ways to know that the gambler is already addicted in gambling is when they stole money from them.

They should not wait any longer before worst things can happen to the gambler and to them because that gambler can steal other people's money or will kill his own family because they won't give them money. They need to talk to that person as soon as possible and if the person won't listen, then they can ask help from the authorities.


Title: Re: Gambling addiction causing victim to scam his family
Post by: Silberman on June 03, 2022, 10:00:47 PM
Gamble responsibly and according to your own money,, i've seen cases were victims even sell they valuables just to gamble atimes you might be lucky to win and most times unfortunate to loose...there is no master in gambling it is just a case of luck,, and in most families I have seen they don't trust or give the gambler in the family the needed respect even if his or her is the first child,,, responsible gambling also prohibit gambling under the age of 18... And gambling companies should put in place adequate measures to tackle or to minimize under age gambling... because if they are not stopped now and they grow with it, it won't be good for the family name... adequate measures needs to be taken in our society so irresponsible gambling don't eat the younger generation to come
I am quite sure casinos do not like for underage people to gamble and for people to develop addictions as this is what causes a great deal of the negative publicity they receive, and while they can take some actions to prevent this we also need to hold people accountable for their actions, basically people are responsible for their own actions as no one forces us to gamble, so the one which losses their self-control and keeps betting money they cannot afford to lose is also responsible for the situation they got themselves in, something which is important to recognize because if they do not then even if they recover they will eventually become addicted again as according to them controlling their actions is something beyond them.


Title: Re: Gambling addiction causing victim to scam his family
Post by: Wiwo on June 03, 2022, 10:39:42 PM
Addiction is one hard thing to handle and the easiest way to become a gambling addict is to be a greedy gambler who wants to gamble excessively just to make some money and is willing to place a bet with whatever means available even to the extent of selling personal belongings just to gamble with the money. It is the individual sole responsibility to place some measures on their gambling activities this is not the responsibility of the casino.


Title: Re: Gambling addiction causing victim to scam his family
Post by: Mahanton on June 03, 2022, 10:51:31 PM
Gamble responsibly and according to your own money,, i've seen cases were victims even sell they valuables just to gamble atimes you might be lucky to win and most times unfortunate to loose...there is no master in gambling it is just a case of luck,, and in most families I have seen they don't trust or give the gambler in the family the needed respect even if his or her is the first child,,, responsible gambling also prohibit gambling under the age of 18... And gambling companies should put in place adequate measures to tackle or to minimize under age gambling... because if they are not stopped now and they grow with it, it won't be good for the family name... adequate measures needs to be taken in our society so irresponsible gambling don't eat the younger generation to come
I am quite sure casinos do not like for underage people to gamble and for people to develop addictions as this is what causes a great deal of the negative publicity they receive, and while they can take some actions to prevent this we also need to hold people accountable for their actions, basically people are responsible for their own actions as no one forces us to gamble, so the one which losses their self-control and keeps betting money they cannot afford to lose is also responsible for the situation they got themselves in, something which is important to recognize because if they do not then even if they recover they will eventually become addicted again as according to them controlling their actions is something beyond them.
Even if they dont like but still its a situation cant really be avoided on some circumstances because not everything could really be monitored out but they are still doing their best on to get rid of young people who do get engaged with gambling activity on an early basis and also we do have some regulation that do really protect the youngster in related with gambling addiction thats why its not really that much of an issue.
This is rather be focusing much into those adults who do get addicted and ending up on making action which would compromise or do put up their family in big trouble or something in related to it.


Title: Re: Gambling addiction causing victim to scam his family
Post by: _act_ on June 04, 2022, 07:52:48 AM
Maybe the gambler plays secretly or playing alone on their own room? That is why they hear nothing other than their own selves but if their family member sees them, they should be concerned at the gambler and one of the ways to know that the gambler is already addicted in gambling is when they stole money from them.
If a gambling addict stole money, you may not know what the gambling addict used the money to do, it could have be so much worse before knowing, like stealing money another time. Gambling addict is very difficult to control and the best to solve things out for themselves as an addict is to let his family know about it. You can even be living with an addict for months and you will never know if you are father or mother to them, just because of the means of accessing gambling sites that is now very easily accessible which can be through mobile phone.


Title: Re: Gambling addiction causing victim to scam his family
Post by: Peanutswar on June 04, 2022, 08:02:07 AM
Maybe the gambler plays secretly or playing alone on their own room? That is why they hear nothing other than their own selves but if their family member sees them, they should be concerned at the gambler and one of the ways to know that the gambler is already addicted in gambling is when they stole money from them.
If a gambling addict stole money, you may not know what the gambling addict used the money to do, it could have be so much worse before knowing, like stealing money another time. Gambling addict is very difficult to control and the best to solve things out for themselves as an addict is to let his family know about it. You can even be living with an addict for months and you will never know if you are father or mother to them, just because of the means of accessing gambling sites that is now very easily accessible which can be through mobile phone.

If the gambler play and does not steal or do anything that might affect their family I guess it's alright but of course, playing gambling is not an easy thing it might cause emotional and mental damage to the player once they lose their assets unless it is just okay to them to let their wage. Still having a small talk and bonding with your friends and family is the best copy mechanism if you get a problem mostly in money involves.


Title: Re: Gambling addiction causing victim to scam his family
Post by: _act_ on June 04, 2022, 08:16:59 AM
If the gambler play and does not steal or do anything that might affect their family I guess it's alright but of course, playing gambling is not an easy thing it might cause emotional and mental damage to the player once they lose their assets unless it is just okay to them to let their wage. Still having a small talk and bonding with your friends and family is the best copy mechanism if you get a problem mostly in money involves.
There are different types of addicts if it comes to this, most of the addicts can latter be stealing their parents money, but the time some will start can be long and some will not start to steal but use his own money and properties to gamble. Some gamblers can be discipline to the extent they do not want to hurt any member of their family and will not consider stealing their parent's money as a means to gamble, but any money given them can be used to gamble which is also an addiction, some addicts will not steal for long time and some will not even steal but affected by gambling addiction. It all depends on the situation and the gambler's personality. While gambling should only be considered good when someone is not addicted at all but seeing and doing it as fun.


Title: Re: Gambling addiction causing victim to scam his family
Post by: Peanutswar on June 04, 2022, 01:04:40 PM
If the gambler play and does not steal or do anything that might affect their family I guess it's alright but of course, playing gambling is not an easy thing it might cause emotional and mental damage to the player once they lose their assets unless it is just okay to them to let their wage. Still having a small talk and bonding with your friends and family is the best copy mechanism if you get a problem mostly in money involves.
There are different types of addicts if it comes to this, most of the addicts can latter be stealing their parents money, but the time some will start can be long and some will not start to steal but use his own money and properties to gamble. Some gamblers can be discipline to the extent they do not want to hurt any member of their family and will not consider stealing their parent's money as a means to gamble, but any money given them can be used to gamble which is also an addiction, some addicts will not steal for long time and some will not even steal but affected by gambling addiction. It all depends on the situation and the gambler's personality. While gambling should only be considered good when someone is not addicted at all but seeing and doing it as fun.

In this kind of gambling addicts still need to have the family members confrontation because they are the only ones who can help these people we know at first glance is that gambling does not bring a good outcome all the time at the end of the day it all about the casino's profit, these mostly give rehabilitation to change their perspective than playing gambling.


Title: Re: Gambling addiction causing victim to scam his family
Post by: AicecreaME on June 04, 2022, 01:27:20 PM
Maybe the gambler plays secretly or playing alone on their own room? That is why they hear nothing other than their own selves but if their family member sees them, they should be concerned at the gambler and one of the ways to know that the gambler is already addicted in gambling is when they stole money from them.
If a gambling addict stole money, you may not know what the gambling addict used the money to do, it could have be so much worse before knowing, like stealing money another time. Gambling addict is very difficult to control and the best to solve things out for themselves as an addict is to let his family know about it. You can even be living with an addict for months and you will never know if you are father or mother to them, just because of the means of accessing gambling sites that is now very easily accessible which can be through mobile phone.

Indeed, having a gambling addiction is very hard. It is difficult to deal with, most especially without intervention of the professionals. Rehabilitation is a must for those people who are suffering gambling addiction. That way, they won't be able to inflict harm to themselves as well as to the people around them.

The moment to do things like these, they should be taken into proper place so that they could be cured without having to cause so much more trouble. Gambling addiction could be cured, but one must be willing to undergo treatment for it. The willingness and determination to break free from dreadful habit is a must.


Title: Re: Gambling addiction causing victim to scam his family
Post by: Maslate on June 04, 2022, 01:36:59 PM
Gambling addiction could be cured, but one must be willing to undergo treatment for it. The willingness and determination to break free from dreadful habit is a must.
It will get worse once you don't have your family with you, or you have but you don't have a good relationship with your family so you are afraid to open up. Most of the time, gambling addicts do not accept the reality, they still believe that they are okay and they are in control of themselves despite the fact that they are already showing symptoms of a gambling addict.


Title: Re: Gambling addiction causing victim to scam his family
Post by: nakamura12 on June 04, 2022, 03:35:22 PM
This is what I was saying about a gambler that can cause trouble for himself and to his family. It is both the bettor and the family's fault where they let their family get scammed by the bettor and also the family by sending $50 which restarted the urge to gamble again. If not because of that free bet then the gambling addict won't be doing it again. The family should confront the gambling addict if it still continue then they should tell them what will happen and should help him stop gambling.


Title: Re: Gambling addiction causing victim to scam his family
Post by: Cookdata on June 04, 2022, 04:01:00 PM
Gambling addiction could be cured, but one must be willing to undergo treatment for it. The willingness and determination to break free from dreadful habit is a must.
It will get worse once you don't have your family with you, or you have but you don't have a good relationship with your family so you are afraid to open up. Most of the time, gambling addicts do not accept the reality, they still believe that they are okay and they are in control of themselves despite the fact that they are already showing symptoms of a gambling addict.

Addiction is a serious problem that requires adequate attention, it's similar to someone who has recently developed high blood pressure, if they detect it early and treat it properly, it will go away in a short period of time. However, the problem with addicted people is that they never know, they may notice some early signs that they are losing control, but their goal will be to recover the money they have lost, it will be difficult to the point where even family members may be unable to help. Most developed countries, I believe, have correctional facilities for various forms of abuse and addiction.


Title: Re: Gambling addiction causing victim to scam his family
Post by: freedomgo on June 04, 2022, 05:58:50 PM
Maybe the gambler plays secretly or playing alone on their own room? That is why they hear nothing other than their own selves but if their family member sees them, they should be concerned at the gambler and one of the ways to know that the gambler is already addicted in gambling is when they stole money from them.
If a gambling addict stole money, you may not know what the gambling addict used the money to do, it could have be so much worse before knowing, like stealing money another time. Gambling addict is very difficult to control and the best to solve things out for themselves as an addict is to let his family know about it. You can even be living with an addict for months and you will never know if you are father or mother to them, just because of the means of accessing gambling sites that is now very easily accessible which can be through mobile phone.

If the gambler play and does not steal or do anything that might affect their family I guess it's alright but of course, playing gambling is not an easy thing it might cause emotional and mental damage to the player once they lose their assets unless it is just okay to them to let their wage. Still having a small talk and bonding with your friends and family is the best copy mechanism if you get a problem mostly in money involves.

Yes! Being active socially with some friends or family will indeed help these gambling to do much better from just being an addict, sooner or later they will start to realize things. Maybe one of those little get together or picnics outside the city can be his/her wake-up call. For sure it would take some time to be back into normal and with added help from the family might do the trick.


Title: Re: Gambling addiction causing victim to scam his family
Post by: alpamar99 on June 04, 2022, 06:03:01 PM
This is what I was saying about a gambler that can cause trouble for himself and to his family. It is both the bettor and the family's fault where they let their family get scammed by the bettor and also the family by sending $50 which restarted the urge to gamble again. If not because of that free bet then the gambling addict won't be doing it again. The family should confront the gambling addict if it still continue then they should tell them what will happen and should help him stop gambling.
Things like this clearly still have risks indeed and when things like this have happened then it is clear that the family must play an active role in making the addict not do things like this anymore because if it continues, the impact will be even greater because it was originally it's only from the family but it's not impossible to target other people as well to launch his passion in gambling isn't it.
This is the most extreme level of addiction if it starts like this, but it can be realized because it is a severe addiction that makes the addict become desperate.


Title: Re: Gambling addiction causing victim to scam his family
Post by: ReiMomo on June 04, 2022, 06:34:00 PM
Maybe the gambler plays secretly or playing alone on their own room? That is why they hear nothing other than their own selves but if their family member sees them, they should be concerned at the gambler and one of the ways to know that the gambler is already addicted in gambling is when they stole money from them.
If a gambling addict stole money, you may not know what the gambling addict used the money to do, it could have be so much worse before knowing, like stealing money another time. Gambling addict is very difficult to control and the best to solve things out for themselves as an addict is to let his family know about it. You can even be living with an addict for months and you will never know if you are father or mother to them, just because of the means of accessing gambling sites that is now very easily accessible which can be through mobile phone.

If the gambler play and does not steal or do anything that might affect their family I guess it's alright but of course, playing gambling is not an easy thing it might cause emotional and mental damage to the player once they lose their assets unless it is just okay to them to let their wage. Still having a small talk and bonding with your friends and family is the best copy mechanism if you get a problem mostly in money involves.

Yes! Being active socially with some friends or family will indeed help these gambling to do much better from just being an addict, sooner or later they will start to realize things. Maybe one of those little get together or picnics outside the city can be his/her wake-up call. For sure it would take some time to be back into normal and with added help from the family might do the trick.

Yes involving on other activities with closed ones like friends and family members, will support in getting out of gambling environment. It indeed takes time to completely come out of the situation but yes its the individual who needs to take initiative. He/She is can plan for vacations with friends and family members outside of his/ her home town where he or she can gain a new experience from such places. This would certainly help him get out of gambling addiction.