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BitLucy.com 🎰 200% deposit bonus, 🕡 valid for 48 hours! (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5395791.0) this new casino was posted by Royse777 who're known as good and experienced campaign manager, this bring a good appearance since many users think when the ANN posted with known user, it wouldn't scam and would have be great service. This casino started with giving away 7 free bet to 777 users with some requirements e.g. played in pragmatic play provider with 30x wagering requirements, all went good until Royse777 said many users want to abuse his bonus and in the end he stopped the free bet.

But during the thread started until right now, many users keep complaining about their withdrawals are always pending and the live support doesn't help anything, all they do are only to promise and keep convincing the victim to wait more longer. It will be different if they complaining into this thread, where Royse777 handled it ASAP, though the recent accusations still not solved because he's inactive since June 05, 2022.

This is the summarize of valid accusations against Bitlucy based on my own research, I have ignored some accusations including a troll (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=3406859) :
1. rokuen's got rejected his withdrawal after waiting for 15 hours, the reason is upgrading withdrawal system (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5395791.msg59976015#msg59976015)
2. Betesports's waiting his withdrawal for 5 days, the support promise to pay him after few hours (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5395791.msg60066167#msg60066167)
3. endigo's can't withdraw his $600 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5395791.msg60040870#msg60040870)
4. pinger651's won 1000 Euro and got cancelled due to broke their rules, his funds convert back to his beginning deposit, he waiting the withdrawal for 7 days (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5395791.msg60057247#msg60057247)
5. mojdragane's waiting for 8 days to withdraw $700 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5395791.msg60102230#msg60102230)
6. davidr_22's waiting for 3 weeks to withdraw $1000 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5395791.msg60219701#msg60219701)
7. leytonlufc's waiting for 2 day while the support promise to pay him after 24 hours (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5395791.msg60322168#msg60322168)

I don't know the specific what does Royse777 position on Bitlucy, but he seems to be have a good impact behind this casino. Honestly looking how his performance and solving the issue, especially handling many abusers and trolls wouldn't be easy. He told this casino was created from the scratch and every day he keep learning how to manage his casino to become better. But the question is, how long we need to wait until this withdrawal problem is completely solved? it's already around a month and a half.

I know if the gambler who contacted Royse777 the problem will be solved ASAP, but does all the withdrawal must be proceed manually? the gambler must be feel frustrated to wait his withdrawal each day by day. I think everyone ever face this problem either on casino or exchange, I believe you guys know how it feels when the money still not arrived on your wallet while you're in needed with your money.

I see the Bitlucy campaign (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5396028.0) already stopped, but the avatar campaign still continued and there's a user remove his avatar. I think every participants of the avatar campaign should look into this thread.

No hard feeling and offense to Royse777, but this kind problem should be solved otherwise your reputation might be ruined if this project fall and take this as a friendly advice.

Are you saying Royse777 is a part owner of BitLucy? I thought he was only a campaign manager for them, but I do find it odd that they do not have an official account that i'm aware of.

Also odd that royse hasn't been online for a week. Maybe he is on vacation? Send him a pm regarding this thread. He may pop online and try to answer some of your concerns.

There's no clear announcement from him, but he do mentioned like he already become a part of Bitlucy since he using a word we in his post.



They do have it, but the account only active for a week Bitlucy (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=3470990)

Perhaps, honestly my main intention is having a discussion on how many users look into this case because it's not good how the thread only discuss about withdrawal problem and the site aren't fully worked. It's okay to have a problem because we can't deny there must be a single user who face an issue while most of users aren't, but after reading on the thread, the discussion isn't healthy and this is the reason why I create this thread.

yes, all systems should be done automatically. no need to wait to be processed manually. it's certainly not fun.
but I also had time to register on this site. just to try out the bonuses offered to Bitcointalk members. how to claim is also manual. previously via PM Royse777, but after that, we can chat with support to get bonus credits in our account.
from that experience, most likely some features are still handled manually. and of course, it will take quite a long time if the queue is a lot.

From some of the cases you mentioned, did the members whose withdrawals were withheld by the platform provide any evidence? like deposit or win? Or is it just a story that they are dealing with a new gambling site?

Not all provide an evidence, but I'm sure high likely those aren't fake story because some of the complaints providing his username account (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5395791.msg60040870#msg60040870) or proof of chat (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5395791.msg60102230#msg60102230). There are many more users who complaints about withdrawal issue, but I didn't add in the thread since it's more like personal hating rather than solving their issue. Most of the case will be solved on the PM since Royse777 ask them to contact him, when he already active in this forum and read this thread, he can answer this question.

@Solosanz thanks for bringing this here. Someone pointed this thread to me or honestly speaking I would miss it. I even hadn't logged in here from last few days. Waking up with work and going to sleep straight way from the desk. This is how my days are now.

You have asked many questions to discuss I guess. I would rather skip them and let you all to address and continue. I am going with important parts that I need to address here. After all it's that it matters.

Before I start let me clear it that I still have not checked all details with the team, everything I am writing from my memory and experience. I will go through possible all users details (you mentioned above, taking their usernames and email address) and individually address them later. It's even better if anyone offer me help to find the usernames (posted publicly) and give me a list in my PM. It's not possible for me to check every posts from the ANN and anywhere in different board. Thanks in advance.

(This could be messy to read but still, I hope you all manage)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2795942
rokuen

Problem with btc365: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5355326.msg60232267#msg60232267
Seems problem with bitDice: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5391250.msg59695528#msg59695528
Problem with BK8: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5318340.msg59398922#msg59398922
BetFury: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5276159.msg58592342#msg58592342
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https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2790812
Betesports
Problem with Csgo500: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5396580.msg59996016#msg59996016
Problem with Egb.com https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5380837.msg58962655#msg58962655
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https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=3372048
pinger651
AceDBets.io https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5230348.msg59986396#msg59986396
BETOP.GG https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5328184.msg58388611#msg58388611
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https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=3465496
mojdragane
AceDBets.io https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5230348.msg60204468#msg60204468
Rollbit.com https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5326640.msg60189824#msg60189824
Roobet.com https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5199911.msg59859803#msg59859803
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I am not judging their cases (whatever it is) with Bitlucy with above but it seems these users always had issues with casinos. It seems eventually they fall into problem with casinos. With Bitlucy may be this is just a continuation. I have only skimmed the first pages of their post history. It was just a quick one.

Anyway,

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2880706
endingo
Bitlucy username: Cekniki (Since I found the username, I will check his case with the department)

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=3479006
davidr_22
Please provide your username.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=3482774
leytonlufc
Please provide your username.

With pinger651 we settle with him that we will give his deposit back, but not sure if we have already done it yet. I will bring info.

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I would request anyone who had issue with bitlucy, let me know. First post the issue in the ANN thread and then fill up the form (The spreadsheet will be private so please don't worry about personal information. I need to know your problem and if this is valid, you will get solution).
https://forms.gle/ra1Uk5xVhJmfq9kR8
The form will be closed after 17th.
Please make one entry for one user, make my life easier.

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Insight,
I know there are many cases popped up here in the ANN thread but as per my knowledge most of them are just fake cases, some are trolls and most of them are abusers who are giving their best to get back abused money, I am confident in this statement.

These are some tactics that I have learned from them so far.
- You give them no deposit bonus, they will create multiple accounts, in some cases 10 to 100s or even more. They will then exploit the system and make huge amount of money before requesting an withdrawal.
- You ask them to deposit some small amount of money so that you can at-least filter the free abusers and narrow your list to only depositors thinking they are legit (before doing other investigation). They will deposit in one account and then send peer to peer transfer in the system to the account they deposited. So that they can withdraw money from that deposited account.
- You ask them to give the transaction ID of the deposit they made, they will come with random transaction iD and will claim it their deposit.

These are some key strategies we are able to see but there could be many more tactics, logic they use just to justify their abuse so that we allow them their withdrawals. If we still don't allow then in some cases they come and wants to blackmail us.

Let me give you an example that happened not long ago but just yesterday. Even I had to chat with the guy in the support.
https://paste.ee/p/CeIpi
It worth reading it from line 196, that's when I had to enter.

In summary, the simple thing he could do is to give a tx ID that matches the data we have. We would credit him his money but instead he went and started threatening and blackmailing the entire casino.

He didn't stop there. He came to my official telegram, the previous support managers telegram, CEO's telegram, my bounty group and everywhere. The chat he had with me: https://imgur.com/a/pmz7zKS
Whatever he has done is only possible for a person who wants to hit you hard, like very badly

So this is just only one example of internal cases of many we deal every day. Only the one who are handling it knows how painful it is to deal with the bad actors.
By the way, with our old system, in one day we had like 13k or 20k registration (speaking from my memory) and all happened because we had only $7 no deposit bonus. We had to close it though.

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PS: I am not saying it's true for all cases that pops up in the ANN threads, scam accusations and reputation boards:
When someone takes unfair advantages and when they get caught, when they fail then their only weapon is to hit your reputation.
When good users are getting paid in a casino they do not care much and come to public to post about it all the time.

I just want to be clear that I'm holding back judgement on this issue for now, but...


This is looking like the beginning of a lot of excuses to come.  If you're the marketing manager I suggest you refrain from attacking those who've made claims against your organization, and focus on the facts of the issues reported as they pertain to your organization.  It'll come off way more professional and a lot less scammy.

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I won't have time to go through these one by one until later, but are any of the held withdrawal requests merely attempting to withdraw their initial deposit?

Actually i seen Royse777 as a campaign manager not really part of them. And secondly, concerning the announcement. I feel like he wants to obtain a vital information before updating or dispensing information on his own way of understanding and what he scooped out from the organisers of Bitlucy, i believe from my perspective, it has not gotten to extent of raising much alarm, whatever that many happened to bitlucy, it's from their team.

I think this pretty much explains:


Also, according to this post (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5395513.msg59925860#msg59925860), he has been working with the BitLucy team for over a year.

I don't see the necessity of your post... doesn't even adds up any help to the issue and was already said by the others.

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Nevertheless, issues indicated by the OP are already silenced and settled. I don't see any problems with having a withdrawal taken and assured manually especially for a newly made website that is being built from scratch. You cannot just create a whole big ass gambling platform then release it and expect no issues, regardless of how big your system is, issues will still arise. Baby steps are the ones they are making. All of the gambling platforms we have in this forum as of the moment also had their issues back in the day. And so how they start their withdrawals. Payment system in crypto isn't also that well way back from 2013-2017, notably to new crypto gambling websites.

Also, I don't see the patience nor the knowledge of those gamblers that expects a new gambling website (only published in about 3 months and had to change providers and devs) to be as good as Stake, Roobet, etc. I'd rather not accept if one week they haven't had any online supports. Speaking of supports, man do you think supports are the owners? I don't see how a support can settle an issue specially about withdrawal. Do you think their supports can give you money without the permission of the CEO or any admins? Tighten your nuts and bolts, they are loosing..

Casinos do get challenges, and withdrawal issue is one of the challenges Bitlucy is facing today. Luckily i happened to be among the "Member" rank who took part in Bitlucy's first campaign, and it was indeed a smooth experience till it was placed on pause due to it's massive abuse by users, and we got paid off with a deposit in our Bitlucy wallets, i made some withdrawal but it wasn't successful and Royse777 had to pay us manually through our bitcoin wallents. So what am i trying to say. I think Sir Royse777 is still working on trying to fish spammers from real investor, because i think Royse777 still got a good reputation on this forum which he wont want to compromise with.

What has already been said, and where? I was simply responding to the question with information that was publicly available. Royse777 has my full respect for the work he does, and this was not intended to belittle him in any way. However, if you find this particular piece of information unnecessary in this thread, feel free to report my post to a moderator, and/or fuck off. This is a free world!

I didn't understand why he scrapped previous scam accusations of other companies instead of providing a solution to the accusations against his company; it appears more like "yes, we are not the first to delay withdrawals after all others did it in the past," and I hope the right thing is done.

Nothing kills more than being able to deposit but unable to withdraw; a hot wallet should never be left empty.

I read a few pages and found that a few of them attempted to withdraw their initial deposit without placing a single bet; the cases are too numerous to read; I hope they resolve these issues soon; I opened an account with this company but have yet to use it; their football market options are quite interesting.

Almost two months problem with Bitlucy and they have relaunch site but still not can't solve many people withdrawing trouble, maybe if you can check on this tread many member complaint about their withdrawing.

BitLucy.com 🎰 200% deposit bonus, 🕡 valid for 48 hours! (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5395791.0)

I don't know why @Royse777 looking other reason like cheater and abuse bonus sign up, why not process with withdrawing after more than one month many member can access to their account.

I don't think this is correct that you dig those gamblers with their own experiences on other casinos, I understand it's odds when a gambler faced so many problem in other casinos, but the gamblers I mentioned above isn't a trolls who trying to hurt the casino reputation. Based on the list you provided, they're correct with their accusation especially they have provide an evidence.

He give an evidence where Betfury cancelled his bet and returned his deposit amount, then he said he have a similar situation on June, it was a mistake by Betfury and Betfury  pay his winning.

TheSuspect500 aka CSGO500 team admitted he was wrong, so he pay all the winning with small compensation.

AceDBets is a scam casino since they got negative feedback and BETOP.GG always have slow withdrawal problem, it's make sense he have a bad experience.

I can't comment to much about this accusations because there's no more explanation about bad bet attempts, it's either mojdragane is an abuser or rollbit wrong suspecting a player.

I understood, but usually an abuser is spread a completely nonsense and trying to hurt someone reputation while the good users sometime didn't do that. Though it's just a personality and we can't use that to trust someone since many people are an professional actor, but since most of the reasons I see regarding this withdrawal problem are because of abusers that taking advantages over your casino e.g. bonus, promotions, features etc. I think it's better for you to make your casino more strict, though you may lose some gamblers, but this can be an option (it's good you have removed the free bet and have a hard requirement of the welcome bonus).

The strict rules what I mean is:
-Ask a verification through his phone number when sign up
-Ask a KYC when you in doubt to prove he's a one person or have other alts.
-Tightening the wager requirements in order to prevent someone withdraw his initial deposit.

You had the most valid reason at first on why they kept holding withdrawals (despite Royse already mentioned that they kept on imrpoving such system). But then you said the worse suggestions for strict rules. Having abusers can already be solved just with that manual withdrawal checking (since they are not stake that has huge traffic) or just simply don't create abusable promotions. Verification like those are already way too far for the others gamblers. Even I can have KYC and still have multiple accounts. Tightening wager requirements? Are you dumb? You just said that they should be resolving withdrawal issues but then you suggest that they should do things to prevent users to withdraw. I don't really see your general idea on what they should do. Maybe your suggestion is way better than their collective ideas and experience?

I wouldn't create this thread if this is the only one solution!

Almost gambling have mandatory KYC and everyone should know they could be asked in the future. It doesn't solve 100% against abusers, but it do reduce some percentage since they need to spent more times and effort to create fake KYC.

You're allowing an user to deposit and then directly withdraw their funds on casino? A casino isn't a mixer and they're combat against AML, the withdrawal issues happen because the manual checking, tightening wager requirements will proving they're high likely a real gambler.

If you're not a regular gambler and not familiar with gambling, you're better off to learn first before talking non sense.

Hey Royse, thanks for posting your explanation about this, but you didn't confirm have you finally become co-partner and marketing director for BitLucy, like you said back in April?

I have to say that I suspect most of the people who are complaining about withdrawals from Bitlucy probably got that early free bonu$ money, and I do recognize some of them for always and only complaining about betting websites.
I didn't use Bitlucy myself so I can't say more about them and withdrawals, but I see their website is in maintenance mode currently.

I have filled in your form, however i have little faith it will make a difference given my experience with BitLucy so far.

• I never took a no deposit bonus from BitLucy, i have one account & noone ever asked for my txid.
• I made my account, deposited money twice last tuesday and then made a withdrawal. I waited 24 hours.
• I asked your live support how long my withdrawal would take on wednesday. They said less than 24 hours.
• I asked your live support where my withdrawal was on thursday. They said 24 hours.
• I asked your live support where my withdrawal was on friday. Telling them i would post my experience on here if they continued to give false information. They told me it would be done the same day.
• I asked your live support where my withdrawal was on Saturday. They said wait 24 hours. It was at this point i told your support that I'd be posting my experience on here. At which point 'BitLucy' took over the conversation and assured me that my withdrawal would absolutely be processed the same day and they would email me as soon as it was complete.
• I check on Sunday and of course no money has been sent and the whole site has been taken down again.

And you're saying its me/other players that are the fraud?

I cant speak on behalf of the other complainers. But as was pointed out above, its ridiculous to dismiss their allegations on the basis that they had an issue with other casinos as well. Plenty of these issues where solved in the players favor, or involved scam casinos.

I have no issues with anywhere else stake, fortunejack, bustabit are all exemplary casinos which i use all the time. There is no excuse for the continued lies your support team are giving about payouts, which simply aren't being processed.

It's been three days since Royse777 made that excuse-filled post (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5402179.msg60335332#msg60335332) that offered no solution, no accountability, and no responsibility for this situation.  Given Royse777's popularity and his services I can understand why a lot of you are reluctant to criticize him, especially those of you who've helped promote his services in the past.

But, this is not looking good.  The clients of that casino are still waiting for their withdrawals, and the bitlucy website has been down for over 24 hours.  Maybe it's too early to call it an exit scam.  Or is it?

I have received your request through the form. There are one more too. Please read update here (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5395791.msg60358379#msg60358379) just posted. I would request you to request a new withdrawal since we had to cancel all past request while we had withdrawal system updated. They should process it in the given time.

Thanks for filling up the spreadsheet, I will follow back with the spreadsheet after 24 hours from now and will check your status.

Sorry for the inconvenience that happened.

I'm sorry to be the one who has to do this, but I can't stand by in good conscience and let this continue.  I know this will be an unpopular move, but I also know it's the right thing to do.

Royse777 is acting as the representative of the new casino BitLucy, as has been demonstrated by his actions and suggested by his posts quoted in this thread.  He started the official BitLucy thread in the gambling board, and just made a post to address the site being down for the last 24 hours, and users denied withdrawals for the last week.  In that post he announces that the site is back on line, but to those who've been waiting for their withdrawals he offers this tidbit:


This does not give anyone clear indication of when they'll be allowed to withdraw their money.  I believe that until people are able to withdraw their funds, it is unsafe to use this casino.  Yet Royse777 continues to promote it and has demonstrated little concern for those waiting for a withdrawal.

This post will serve as a reference to the tag until the issues with withdrawals are resolved.

It's still strange how the entire forum came out for Lightlord, who was sick and failed to pay participants for 8 weeks, and yet nobody has given any honest opinion, negative or positive, since this thread was created; he must be powerful to have everyone on silent mode while something unusual is happening on his company's website. The casino is only a few months old and they are already acting bankrupt; they also struggled to pay sig participants, causing it to be paused.

They don't even still to their own rules!!

Sorry, but I don't consider this to be enough reason to give someone a negative feedback so early.
I think Bitlucy website is fairly new website and several times I checked it was in not working or it was in maintenance mode.
Everyone was well aware of this, they accepted the risk and they could expect issues with placing bets and with withdrawals.
Don't forget that many people are promoting same casino with avatars as well.

Not many people rushed to give Lightlord negative feedback, and I was first to say to give a guy a break if he was really sick, even if some people never trusted him about that.
In case of Royse777 I am asking for patience and let's wait until we can see some clear answers from him.
I asked him a question in my last post of this topic, and he didn't reply so far, so I will send him PM and ask for clarification.

If the question was only about timing then I would agree with you, but it's not.  It's about actively promoting the site, attracting new clients (and deposits) while the current clientele are unable to withdraw.  How much time would be appropriate for this to continue?

If we are to discuss timing and whether it's too early or not; it's fair to point out this isn't an overnight glitch.  This has been an issue for over a week now.  Technical difficulties aside, they could have issued those withdrawals manually in that time.

Make matters worse, if they are promoting a casino that is having withdrawal issues but is still accepting deposits - every promotion should be paused until they are able to run smoothly again.

Lightlord received his first red tag (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=30541) less than 24 hours after the thread was created, while he was in a coma and unable to defend himself, and people were busy passing judgment even before he responded to the thread- he fixed his mess, but his tag was never removed.

His first response, in my opinion, was not good. He's a trustworthy member who should bear responsibility for any mishaps his company causes to her customers.

I just hope everyone gets paid and all drama goes away sol!! It is crazy!

In a perfect world that would be the way things would work.  These expectations can easily slip down the slope to become demands (at least by some.)  People are getting paid and I wouldn't expect too many to volunteer to pause their paycheck.  For these reasons I'm not a fan of tagging folks just for promoting a suspected scam.  Especially in this case; until a week ago this looked good to go since it was promoted by a reputable manager, launched signature and avatar campaigns, had a cool looking website.

Besides, if this goes really wrong they'll just not pay their avatar campaign participants, and that will sort things out on its own.

That's simply not true. I created the thread:

Do you think Lightlord behavior is acceptable? (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5364918.0)

And I can tell you that he was treated rather leniently by the community at large because of his previous reputation. However, The Pharmacist did not hesitate for a second to tag him because he had already done so in the past for the same reasons, switching to neutral afterwards. Then some other members thought the same but in general there was debate on the subject so saying that the whole forum came out for him is false.


That's true


I also agree to have a little patience, because also in this case, unlike Lightlord's, as far as I know with Royse777 there have been no previous problems with withdrawals in casinos in which she has been involved in the past.


Look, if you want to open a thread in defense of Lightlord I will answer you there, since what you are questioning is more than explained already.

As far as I know, there are 4 of us in DT that we keep the red tag. And the one who did not hesitate for 24 hours was The Pharmacist, as I explained aobve.

Going back to the point of the thread:


I've just checked and it's not down.

This is how the normal world operates, BlackHatCoiner took a bold step!!




In less than 24 hours, It had more than 15 replies. (At least, people gave their honest opinion) You were one of the victims, and you know how it feels to work and not be paid, despite the fact that it is the opposite of someone who deposits, plays a game, and is unable to withdraw! People are losing patience out there because there have been so many casinos on the forum that have delayed withdrawals to the point where it has become a problem.


That again verified my answer to dkbit98

What you forgot to mention is that lightlord had a long history of lack of communication and delayed payments, its not like it was the first time he delayed payments and instantly got the negative feedback like you presented it here.

People would probably be more vocal if it was the same situation with Royse777 and businesses he promoted had similar issues before. As far as I know that hasn't been the case and that's why majority of members are willing to give him benefit of the doubt and some time to sort it out before tagging. With that being said, situation with Bitlucy doesn't look good at the moment so I am removing my avatar&personal text.

I just finished reading all the comments and concluded that receiving payments ^{[regardless of the first two being late]} is not fair while some users have issues with the platform in question ^{[they might only be a few, but still]}, so I also removed my personal text and avatar!
^{- For what it's worth, I have nothing against you @Royse777 [thank you for everything].}

I'm going to follow Rikafip and SFR10 on this and I'm removing the avatar and text, it makes no sense for me neither to advertise nor to get paid for advertising something that doesn't work 100%, bitlucy needs to fix the issues, needs to fix whatever is wrong with customer support and their game engine and then start a promotional campaign and an advertising one.

Fixed typo.

As you can see from the replies in this thread, many are removing their avatars and personal text. It's nothing personal against royse777, they're all doing what they feel is right. The website isn't working properly, users may or may not be at risk of losing funds, delays are a definite at this time, and it just looks like a mess.

Any actions like a negative can be edited or removed once issues are corrected and the website is working properly.

The website seems to be online, so that would mean that you can start processing your player's withdrawals with no further delays. According to the recent updates by Royse777, the next manual withdrawal is scheduled for 20:00 CET. In about 3 hours from now. I will keep an eye on the Bitlucy ANN thread and this reputation thread and remove my avatar and personal text if it doesn't look like anything is moving in the right direction after 20:00 CET. There really should be no excuses more and bring one site down to start another and ask players to keep resending their withdrawal requests. 

I know:


That's exactly my issue with this situation.  Let me explain:  When the site was down there was no point in tagging Royse777.  There was no risk of them taking more deposits which would later become unavailable withdrawals.  The fact that the site came back up, and Royse777 continues to promote it, while clients weren't allowed to withdraw puts BitLucy's scam level in 1xBit territory.  That's why I feel it's justified to leave that tag.  It seems like the site has no issue accepting deposits, but until they are issuing withdrawal requests I don't think anyone should make a deposit.  That's my justification for the red-tag.

And to yahoo62278's point, specifically:


I've never been the type to etch my reviews in stone.  If things start working normally and everyone gets their withdrawals as expected my tag will be removed.

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Thank you for posting here.  So far I know of BlackHatCoiner, Stompix, Rikafip, and SFR10 as members who voluntarily chose to stop promoting BitLucy.  Rather than punish those who haven't acted I think it's important to recognize those who do.

The main problem from my point of view with this site is that it is supported by a trusted member on the forum, and therefore the suspicion that it is a scammer or that it provides services that do not live up to the expectations of users, especially members who trust this trusted member, is always overlooked.
I don't think this casino would have the patience of the group if it was launched by an unknown group. In any case, we don't know anyone from his team except Royse777.
I support in large part the evaluation he received from Direwolf for the sole reason that deposits are not supposed to be accepted as long as the casino cannot fulfill its commitments regarding withdrawals .

Royse777 hasn't logged in for the past two days and so far there is no news of withdrawn funds reaching the players. I have had a look at the thread and I will bring this quote:


I doesn't look good. Even if this is resolved, it seems to me that the site's reputation will be tarnished.

I just had a talk with one of their customer services rep via live chat and apparently the CEO joined in on our talk as well judging by the tag next to their name. I expressed some concern for the way withdrawals have been handled so far and asked if they processed their player's withdrawals yesterday at 20:00 CET as announced earlier. They said they did.

I asked them to submit some proof or a status update in this thread or in their gambling ANN that shows that withdrawals are being processed and they promised to do that at the end of the day. Probably after 20:00 CET. After the status update, we can follow the comments of players to see if their withdrawals have been sent or if there are still negative comments from their users about non-processed transactions.   

This isn't looking good either; he's the marketing/admin of the bitcointalk ANN; his main job was to promote the site here, answer questions, and report back to the team, and for the past two days, all users on the site have been ignored. We are waiting patiently.

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I've tagged the official account bitlucy (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=3470990) to warn everyone off the site for now!

I am sure when he returns, he would say that he "was busy with bitlucy". If a persons is responsible for marketing, he must find a 25th hour in a day to answer each and every issue. Being busy with something is the worse excuse, it shows that someone does not care about his customers.

If the casino cant solve issues in a moment, then they will turn into an avalanche and smash whole business.

I see current situation with withdrawals following: abusers made bitlucy wallet close to empty, with each new deposit, they try to close past withdrawal request. All those pauses for maintenance only made withdrawals longer, as the flow of incoming money has stopped. Pyramid  :D

Of course no payments - I know this player since he has been playing on various sites I am cooperating with - he is legit.

Not sure about all the back and forth there, how can anyone (including the ones promoting them through avatars) not see what has been going on? Everyone should have stopped promoting them for a very long time, no matter what. All those excuses are complete BS really, Royse has not done himself a favor there either and I have personally warned him weeks ago that this is going to get bad and that I do not understand why he would keep holding onto such a shit show.

I submitted my withdrawal request within 30 minutes of your post saying the site was back online the other day. Its now been 4 payment runs since you posted that withdrawals would be processed at 10am and 6pm each day.

Yet still no payment. What is happening with this casino?

I've been waiting for 9 days for my $400 withdrawal. The first 4 days of this support were promising they were adding immediate withdrawals so not to worry. The site has been offline since then for 'upgrades' and it still doesn't have immediate withdrawals, so i have to assume they were just lying to delay having to payout.

If the casino had the liquidity to pay then i dont believe there is any reason to keep stalling like this. I see the same excuses have been given since BitLucy launched almost 2 months ago, its not a technical problem. Its a complete reluctance or inability to pay players.

Totally agreed - all BS stories, if they wanted to pay and it was just "technical issues", they could have very well simply open their wallet and send the funds - as simple as that.

I don't think this is enough to warn everyone about this site since the user who posted the ANN is Royse777. I saw there's a negative feedback left by @DireWolfM14, sure anyone who logged in this forum can see the trust. But if someone didn't log in with his account, the trust feedback wouldn't shown. So, to warn everyone about this withdrawal problem, I have created flag type 1 on Royse777 account.

I ask anyone to support this flag
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;flag=2984

I have a small share with BitLucy I wish I had more authority to apply my own decisions.

There are too many noises in my hear from several sources but right now I don't believe anyone. No one is seeing anything that is happening inside bitlucy better than me but everyone is speculating from their own views and making it as guaranteed. It's not wrong either. I was doing the same before.

I have been with this community from long enough that I don't need to prove myself to others too, I have fought many fights that I thought was right to do in this place and in other platforms too. If anyone has this impression that I am not a man of my word that I am man of low moral then it's their problem, I can not fix it unfortunately. I follow my instincts, my observations and make decisions from it that I think is right to do.

I am still with BitLucy and will work for it's future as long as I see their development and passion to achieve their vision. They have their problems but they are not less interested to solve all of it either. That's all that counts for me.

Feel free to read the latest update (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5395791.msg60373594#msg60373594) on the Ann thread too.

Rest assure if ever I find myself in a convincing situations that should not continue with BitLucy anymore then I will not hesitate to cut off all stings from them.

I've supported the flag and tagged Royse777. This is obviously open to change if problems are solved, as I did recently in the fairspin.io case.

Thanks for the update Royse777. Because of the way things have evolved I have removed my avatar and personal text. I hope you get your personal things sorted out and that the casino pays out the money it owns its players.

Take care.

You went away for two days only to return to brag about your forum reputation while your company has dragged so many into the mud? People with a good reputation run the biggest scam in the crypto space; you led so many forum users to that site, and if something goes wrong, you must bear the full consequences of your actions. You agreed to promote and be part of what appears to be another exit scam without conducting a proper background check!

Supported.

Same here. Quite shame it went this way, somehow I tend to think that the casino owner took advantage of the fact you are so busy lately.
I've removed the avatar and text.

I know it will be far from easy, I can guess that it will be hugely time consuming too, but please see to get the open issues fixed.  :(

I am completely confused.

Why doesn't Roy777 exit the project and pay the required amount from his personal funds?

Thanks for mentioning this to me, and as for the flag, I don't have anything to do with it as there are no final decisions has been made yet (I don't have any personal grudge on every users who tagged my account), but I will, considering that I'm still a DT if ever it is needed that is...

Don't be. He got his words out already.


This:

To you two and the rest I recommend that you read the posts of a profile who claims to know Royse007 personally.


Obviously, this is a forum and anyone could be telling lies, but if in the end this is an exit scam it is very likely that what she says is true.

I doubt if it will be an alt account.

You came from being a co-partner and marketing director, to a small share guy without any authority very fast.
I am not judging you in any way and I know it's not easy to manage anything in forum, but you could at least answer something on my PM I sent you few days ago, I guess you are busy and I understand why.

I guess it's your decision to make, but you have to be ready to face the consequence from angry forum crowd.
I am not going to support any flags against you, but you are not giving much arguments for people to oppose it, so I wish you good luck and I am sorry this happened.
For what it's worth, I know you had no intention to trick anyone with this campaign... but I am not so sure about other people.

I dont think Roys777 may not be under obligation to make a refund of players' withdrawal from his fund as he was just a marketing manager I was thinking all withdrawals have been handled.

I am just coming across this topic, I don't know but somehow, I suspected an issue like this will come up when I saw how early and unprepared Bitlucy was launched, now, I don't know if it was Royse777 idea to launch the casino so early, or the team behind the casino, who ever made that decision, it's now clear it was a very wrong decision, a food that is half cooked never taste it's best, a good meal should be prepared well before dishing it out to the public, else, people are gonna complain and it doesn't matter whether you are dishing it out to them for free.
Bitlucy, from my personal observations is a great casino with a great and unique name and they would have really done well if only the team were patient enough and wait for the mango to ripe properly before throwing stones at it.
I believe it's not to late for them though, and with somebody like Royse777 by their side, I believe they can surmount all the issues and come back better, and for Royse777's reputation, I believe he knows what to do to sort out all the issues in one peace and not allow this bring he's account to ruin.

Was this the thread you were referring to Pmalek?

BitLucy.com 🎰 no more in bitcointalk  (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5395791.0)

It has been locked by Royse777 in well under 24 hours since she appeared this morning.

Moreover, the bitlucy site is down.

Two and a half hours after you wrote the message that I quote, Royse777 has written this: (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5395791.msg60373594#msg60373594)


So it doesn't seem very likely that they will come around here to explain themselves when they are basically putting the blame on us.

On the other hand, Royse777 has and launched another signature campaign.

 [OPEN] [banned mixer] 🔥 Signature campaign! Sr+ (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5402877.msg60376590#msg60376590)

In which there is a guy complaining:

Since the site has decided to not promote on the forum any longer does this mean withdrawals are not being honored? Very interesting indeed how this has all played out. I see a big red wave incomming.

It would be much easier for the Bitlucy team to fix the issues and continue to try and be present here on the forum vs acting like hotheads and running away from the forum blaming the users here for their faults.

Bitlucy website is down again as we speak, so it's impossible for anyone to withdraw their coins now, unless they did it already.
I would hold on tagging and blaming manager Royse for everything, but I am going to tag Bitlucy account myself for their amateurish behavior and for blaming others for their own mistakes.
I would recommend everyone to stay away from this gambling website, and give Royse a chance to redeem himself.

I'd guess that the (few?) cases written until tomorrow into the provided google form will be handled and, if it's the case, honored...
At least that's what Royse777 wrote here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5395791.msg60373594#msg60373594


There may be. It won't be easy to get the things right. And it'll probably be costly, in a way or another (money, time, reputation...). I hope I'm wrong.


It depends whether they honestly want to have a working business or it's just another hit and run.

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Edit: I've just found this part, which sounds.. interesting; maybe the problems will be actually handled correctly, maybe only patience is needed? We'll see.

It looks like it.

Besides, in cases like this, whenever I have seen those we have asked for explanations to blame us, things have not ended well. It is very typical.


I also tagged Bitlucy (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=3470990) but it's useless because they are not going to come back here.


https://i.postimg.cc/cC8QfvX1/bitlucy.jpg (https://postimages.org/)

If you go to the form you'll see that whoever has a problem first has to explain the problem in the ANN thread, which Royse777 has locked a few hours later.

I hope that everything gets cleared up, I'm rooting for you.  I can only imagine how emotional this has been for you and the BitLucy team.  My only hope is that they are indeed a trustworthy group of folks and haven't taken advantage of you and your reputation for their own gain.


I've been in communication with Royse777, and he's not done trying to get everyone refunded.  We'll see how things transpire.


Obviously people on both sides of BitLucyGate have gotten emotional.  Those waiting for their withdrawals have justifiably gotten impatient, and the BitLucy team has taken all the discussions quite personally.  I would love nothing more than to see everybody settle down, resolve the issues, and resume business as it should be.  Hopefully we'll have a good outcome before the story is over.

My issue is he has claimed to be part of the team but now to save face has posted he is going to stop promoting them on this forum once wd(valid) are paid. What about off forum? Yes our feedback should be reserved for this forum, but it does talk about his character and trust if he continues to help promote or be a part of that casino away from this forum.

I have tagged the Bitlucy account but really am considering more.

I hope it all works out for him as well. I personally have nothing against Royse. If they cannot or will not fix issues, I hope he has enough sense to walk away.

Hi guys, first post here. I was wondering if anyone has the Telegram of user ''Bislom'' ? He claimed to know the owner of Roysee and I would like to talk to him, have some information (chats and much more)

I don't think so. Send him a PM to see, although he's not very often online. I think he's someone's alt account, so if he reads this maybe he'll send you a PM.

I have nothing personal against Royse777, and when I acted in support of the flag and with the feedback, I explicitly said that it is subject to review, as usual.

But I also believe that there have been no more red tags or flags because of the previous reputation and because she has given lots of jobs in campaigns to many people in the forum. In fact, there has not yet been an opposition to the flag nor a neutral tag in her favor.

Closing the Bitlucy thread ahead of schedule, when those who had the problems with withdrawals there were supposed to explain it in that thread before filling in the form doesn't look good to me.

I would like to hear more opinions from DT on this topic, especially from those of you who are more neutral, as it is clear that there are many of you who have a clear empathy for her.

Giving her the benefit of the doubt, I can think that she somewhat got caught in the middle of this.

But I would also say that if this case were to happen with a campaign manager with less experience and less previous reputation she would have a lot more red tags.


I hope this will happen, and when done, let's remove the tags and call it a day.

From what I know, Royse777 is not really "the" owner of that casino. He said yesterday:


Even more, in the last 2 or so months (maybe more) Royse777 was no longer as active as usual on the forum, probably caught in a lot of things.
The current situation with BitLucy most probably made the things worse as free time so I'm not sure how open he will be to spend time with you (no offense, I'm trying just to prepare you).
So my advises are:
* if you have open issue with BitLucy make sure you've filled the google form; today is the last day for that (!) https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5395791.msg60373594#msg60373594
* try to get his attention and hope that he will contact you
 ** PM is an option, but please don't send more than one nor set your hopes too high, since some may have newbies blocked
 ** writing down his name correctly in a post may trigger notifications if he has them set up

If you've posted your situation into the form and it got handled (good or bad), it would be useful if you tell us too.

I've already said above whith a screnshot that that form says that people have to previously explain their case in the locked thread. So, I don't know how they are going to do that.

Wow, I've managed to miss that (I badly need more coffee!). Sorry.
Still, I urge those with problems fill something, anything in that form. That's because:
* one can make his own topic or post in this very thread and post the link into the form; it's not in the designated topic, but at least it's there
* one cam post in the form and write into the form that the thread is locked; it opens the door for further discussions (the wording "Please be detailed so that I do not need to approach to you for more details." may mean that if needed, Royse777 or the casino will contact the user, right?) and at least there's an entry in the form before the time limit.

I think that Royse777 closing the thread was a hasty move, not deliberate to stop users telling their problems, since it gives him more work to do. At least this is how I see the things.

No, that was not what was supposed to happen. Whoever I talked to over the chat said they will post an update to reassure the community that withdrawals are being processed and things are finally looking good. We can all see how that went...

Someone who knows more than me about bounties can help check if what this person says is true or is lying?


The thread in question is this one, I think:

LunaLand FLY ME TO THE MOON [Bounty] 💰🕵🏻‍♂$15,000 in LLN🥳 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5348797.0)

People who have a grudge against Royse777, like bounty cheaters, can take advantage of these moments to tell lies about her, but also after the last events, I think it's worth checking things like this.

I didn't see this Bitlucy drama until yesterday, when OP posted in Request Support (or Opposition) for Flags here! (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5153445.msg60373520#msg60373520) So I haven't read everything yet.

I just read through this guy's post history (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=3479006;sa=showPosts). What surprises me, is that Bitlucy (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=3470990) was only online for a few days after registration, and didn't address any of the problems.
Running a casino is usually very profitable. "100% deposit bonuses" are usually designed to require enough wagering to make it EV- for the player. That means the casino should earn money, which means they don't have to scam users.
Not being able to withdraw $1000 makes it look like they're broke.

Did Bitlucy ever show proof of bankroll?

@Royse777: davidr_22 posted his withdrawal problem on May 25. Instead of addressing it, you started the Avatar campaign the next day (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5396028.msg60227286#msg60227286).

Obviously we can only see what happens in public, and what I see doesn't look good.

In my country we have a saying, which roughly translates to "trust comes on foot and goes on horseback".  We always have to prove ourselves all the time, because a reputation that took years to build can be destroyed in hours.

It doesn't look like they're interested in fixing problems when you say they cut all ties with Bitcointalk (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5395791.msg60373594#msg60373594). Sure, Bitcointalk can be hostile, but in this case it looks like it's deserved.

Can you comment on the one withdrawal issue I cherry-picked above?

I don't think he's going to find this topic.

That's not much time for users to find this form, especially if their problem was ignored for weeks and was only linked in the OP of the main thread one day before the deadline.

This is a terrible excuse to delay withdrawals. If you update software, at least process or transfer the existing withdrawal requests.

I feel the same.

This is always the risk of "lending" your reputation to promote something.

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If they're truely willing to resolve all problems, I'd say the way to do this is by giving full transparency. Start by providing proof of funds, create a public list of all complains, and resolve them. All this doesn't have to take more than a day.

Royse777 is not only representing bitlucy, he is the CEO from it. He did this project with 1-2 other people. There is no "team".
Royse777 thought he could be rich very quickly with stealing deposits and not pay out.
I warned people in the first days already this site is scam and Royse777 can not be trusted. He is a DTM (Default Trust Muppet) and abuses his status.
its good that the site is closed on the forum, before more victims will come up.

Proof it.

A team can be made out of 3 people.

Proof it and I'll tag him (her?) myself.

One point making this whole thing an even bigger mess is that in the beginning, we were "told" that the CM was simply taking care of the bitcointalk promotion, with no word about being directly involved and/or having any share with the operation.

Now, we read things about "just a small share"... this is worrying, besides stating one would keep "helping" such an operation, it does not matter if on bitcointalk or outside of it, a scam operation remains a scam operation and when you have not been executing payments for weeks, you are a scam, full stop.

Apparently, people have lost money - they deposited, requested withdrawals, and never received those - not a rocket science, I have no idea how the CM or anyone else dared justifying such a BS over such a long period of time.

Very sad story really and so predictable. :/

I probably won't be able to log in the forum for the next 24 hours or so.

For one thing, I had a good opinion of Royse777 before this and would like to get this resolved and remove his tag. I think there are many of you who have expressed a similar opinion.

But on the other hand, my gut tells me that when things like this happen, this may just be the tip of the iceberg.


I read your post history and found it interesting how accurately you predicted how it would all end. But this is a forum, and your word alone is not proof of anything.

Do you know anything about the bounty campaign I mentioned above?

BitLucy.com stated their forum journey on the 23rd April. On the 24th April, Royse777 has confirmed that he is the Co-Partner & Marketing Director of BitLucy and the CEO is his good friend. He also confirmed he has small share with BitLucy team.

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Nothing went well until now. Royse777 has made the announcement of BitLucy.com in the forum. He ran BitLucy signature campaign as a manager. But all on a sudden he said that he isn't going to work as representative of BitLucy


In the meantime, we have seen several complaints against BitLucy. They ran signature and avatar campaign, Royse777 hired many reputable forum member to wear the avatar and personal text of BitLucy. Royse777 said that he is a good friend of the CEO. All of us expecting to see the solution of those issues and giving more chance to Royse777 as he is a reputable forum member. He should have worked here as a representative until the issues are fixed.

BTW, They also ran a bounty campaign and closed it in the middle: {STOP} BitLucy Casino Bounty Campaign | 4 weeks | Budget: 15% Revenue in Bitcoin (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5396863.0). Does anyone know what happened with that bounty campaign?

Hey Bislom, is there any way to chat with you on Telegram? I know the owner of BitLucy and would like to talk with you about it?

I just went through the thread, looks like it opened on May the 1st and closed on May the 10th with no announcement from CryptopreneurBrainboss. He would be the only 1 who may actually know what happened, but I think he should have at least made an announcement somewhere.

Thanks for the mention (notification), I was approached directly by the CEO of BitLucy which isn't Royse 777 for a promotion program in which the reward system was to be determined by the mode mentioned in the bounty thread. This communication came after he notice my involvement in their signature campaign. After several consideration by my participants we decided to go for it but when we noticed it won't be successful, we stop the very end of first week. A poll was taken for this to happen and an announcement was made for the closure of bounty; https://t.me/BrainbossBountyGroup/45690.

It's quite unfortunate that Royse 777 is in such an ugly situation because I have worked with him severally and noticed his sincerity. We ones carryout a charity program together and worked on several of his signature campaign which he has always paid. I hope you pull through this as I believe if you are in a better position, you would had resolved all this.

One of the details that makes matters worse is the way Royce reacts to the matter ;
According to what he wrote since the beginning of the crisis and the rise in the voices condemning the casino, it seems that he is completely indifferent that the project was receiving attention according to the community trust in him as an active and reliable member of the forum , or that he does not even see the extent of the problem he has put himself in, in relation to the trust that He spent years building it.

What is really strange is that he writes comments defending himself and the rightness of his choice to join that casino without addressing the issue of users who still seem to have problems with withdrawals till today.

When he announces that the casino has decided to cut all links with this forum and also announces that he is still a party to the work team as an official representative of the casino, whether on the forum or anywhere else, this certainly does not absolve him of responsibility if one of the casino victims came to publish an accusation here, explaining that He has been victim of any kind of fraud or theft justified by clear evidences.
I mean, don't expect community here to tell him that the casino has severed its relationship with the forum, This is nonsense.

I think most of us would agree that it is very unfortunate to see the position Royce has placed himself in even if the casino issues are resolved. But even more surprising is what appears to be a completely indifferent attitude from Royce himself on the issue.

About Bitlucy withdrawal problem and could claimed with scam casino gambling platform and run away much money from member still not respond from DT usually active give flag for participants on 1xbit, why the most active DT like
logfiles (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1247226)
_BlackStar (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2867307)
JollyGood (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1016855)

Shut up and none of them are actively responding in this thread, are they just daring with 1xbit and turning a blind eye to what happened to Bitlucy, even though these two gambling platforms are both committing fraud against their members. Is the reason for the three DTs because Royse777 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=366632) is a close friend of them so they don't dare to give a red flag?

Come on guy we are waiting all your respond about Bitlucy, show you are gentlemen said about Bitlucy and Royse777 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=366632) are scammer.

Who's alt are you, and what's in it for you? If you believe someone deserves a tag, why don't you do it yourself?

Not all users follow every drama thread on the Gambling board all the time.

Unlikely.

The alt account is totally right though about "us" not acting in a way we would if the person in question was someone else... truth is, this could not have been handled any worse with everything that goes with it, including the "end" of the story, locking the thread and moving on just like that - with the website also being down btw, lol.

Well, instead of talking about others I am honest, normally I should have supported the flag as well as left negative feedback and I am simply trying to win time, hoping for the miracle and Royse getting that shit together... which is not very likely to happen anytime soon from the looks of it.

I have only 4 users filled out the form even after PMing some of the users I found on the ANN thread. I am going to extend the form more few days before I close it since this was not the number I was expecting. If anyone is still missed it then I would request others to find them the form.

Cheers,

I find it very funny that recently created newbie account calls out others and talks about being gentleman while being too afraid to speak from his main account. I wonder why you are hiding.  :D


If I am to guess, he probably got tagged by those three members for wearing 1xbit signature and now he is butthurt.

If the casino's website is down, would it be possible to announce this Google form there? I can imagine many users who find an offline website don't know they have to look here.

Or at least they should share the link to google form on their telegram channel and their twitter.
Currently, there are around 1000 followers on their twitter and around 800 subscribers on their telegram channel.

Royse777, will we ever find out what really happened to bitlucy casino? Or at least your view of the whole situation since you are obviously better informed than the rest of us. I think you owe the community at least that much, and it might be helpful for your reputation here as well.

In fact, it is this attitude of Royce that amazes us all , in view of the great indifference with which he deals with the subject.

Some of his reactions make me feel as if he is dealing with people who are very naive ; I mean, what does he really mean by closing the topic of the official announcement on the forum and asking those affected users to contact him by filling out a form for a short period of time at the same time that the site is not working at all? How are those affected to know about this form in the first place without considering that a significant number of them do not know anything about this forum at all and do not know that Royce belongs to the working stuff team of Bitlucy.

Am I mad or Does Royce really seem to be dealing with the existing problems about the pending withdrawals? He does not seem to realize that his reputation is in the balance and that we are all dealing with the matter with great sadness due to the trust we had in him.

There is no problem with withdrawals, they just dont want to pay, thats the only reason. When they realised they already have a bad name, they did not care about it anymore and decided to steal all the deposits.
The intention from this site was from the beginning clear, just scam people. Royse777 is the owner of the casino together with somebody. He tried he could get away with this scam site because he is a DT member.
I advice everybody to remove this muppet from DT.

Your words are worthless if you don't back them up with something else we can check. And even more thinking that there are many people who want to take revenge on Royse777 (bounty cheaters, members of the 1xCrap campaigns, etc.).

This is not the time to start blaming, there is obvious scamming activity going on with a lot of evidence online and offline, this is not a personal attack, Royse777 is part of the Bitlucy, he assured the forum that nothing would go wrong and that he's a very good friend with the CEO who they've known for many years. Royse777 is the only person forum users who were duped by Bitlucy can hold accountable. This should not be interpreted as a personal attack.


Royse777 closed the official thread to prevent further negative feedback while the site is still operational; 1xbit, on the other hand, kept their thread open! He also disabled the comment option on their official Twitter page to prevent honest feedback from old users while they continue to promote..


https://www.trustpilot.com/review/bitlucy.com has over 80% bad reports!!


https://i.imgur.com/6aHAsl0.pnghttps://i.imgur.com/eBayPom.png

What way now?

Edit


Did they pay at all?

Hey,

can you please give us an update? Have you received your money by now?

I don't know where you see blaming, because there is none.

For me to tell an anonymous nickname on the internet who claims to know Royse777 personally that his word is not credible if he can't back it up with something is independent of the facts that have made you and I, the only ones in DT, to support the flag against Royse777.


No, they didn't.


Royse777 claims to be trying:


But the way of proceeding during this whole mess is not very transparent, to say the least.

I have no idea. A few hours after I made that post, Royce announced that the casino has decided to stop promoting its site through Bitcointalk because of its unfriendly environment. Later that day, the casino went offline and the ANN thread got locked. I can see that Bitlucy is back online now.

We will be proud of ourselves when things become clearer; being on DT means standing alone even if the world is against you as long as you feel okay. We are on the side of God.  ;D

They were astute enough to cut off all communication channels while also using a bot as support on the site. The ideal con.

I knew something was fishy when Rose777 muted every communication channel!! It's strange how everyone went blind overnight. Nobody is questioning him, and no one is supporting the flag against him.

Supporting the flag now - this has been a farce and the shit show is not any better than 1xbit and the likes. As a result, simply not opposing the flag ain`t good enough any longer. Such bullshit does not only hurt people`s wallets (bad enough) but also puts a terrible light on the industry - rightfully so. It`s a shame really.

Hi again! No i havent recieved my withdrawal or had any contact from BitLucy/Royse outside of what is public in this thread.

The site came back online today after being offline for the last few days. When i logged in my withdrawal had been cancelled and put back in the account (yet again) so i have attempted to withdraw it again.

Considering i submitted my previous withdrawal request within minutes of the site coming back online, and it sat pending until they cancelled it... i think its safe to say they haven't processed a withdrawal request for weeks (if ever?).

Some of us were just trying to give a little time and not be hasty as Royse777 has not been untrustworthy in the past. There have been questions posed, but looks like the site is not trying to take care of its players. I have no issue with tagging Royse777 for now.

I've been in contact, and recommended to respond here. Unfortunately, he (she?) didn't.
The lack of communication is something I've seen in other cases, and that's what destroys reputations.

The Flag has been active since it got it's first DT-support. I'm not in a rush to add to that.

I would say that both positions are understandable, those of you who for empathy, Royse777's previous reputation or whatever, do not want to rush to support the flag and those of us who supported the flag to see if they would hurry to resolve things, having removed the flag support if this had happened, which I trust less and less as time goes by.

Aside from Bitlucy still not resolving their issues yet,

I wonder why there's 2 users still wear the Bitlucy avatar until now, even if they consider the long withdrawal problem isn't high likely to scam, it still doesn't make sense since Royse777 had been announce the avatar campaign was closed https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5396028.msg60373656#msg60373656

That's a free advertisement for Bitlucy, however I will try to PM them and want to know their reason.

Most probably they're not active, hence your PM won't do much. Did you check their last login date? It's in their profile.
Also keep in mind that browser caching makes avatars last a little longer even after they're changed.

I had the same question about one highly reputed member today, but I didn't PM him. Some 30 min later I've seen that his avatar is changed.


So while you do have a point, you may be a bit overzealous about it ;)

Thanks a lot for this information. I was still wearing the avatar. I wasn't tracking this topic for a few days and didn't even notice that the campaign was over.

I am sad to see bitlucy is having problems which wasn't solved.

Hi, I'm the other user.

I never checked the campaign topic (only talked with Royse through PM after he asked if I was interested in joining it) and had no idea this topic existed. I already removed the avatar by now.

I've keep tracking their accounts for few days and if I'm not mistaken, they're active everyday. Since I thought it's already to long, so I think I need to PM them and I know both of them are very rarely visit this board.

Probably it's a different user that I didn't notice.

It's the one who has "already removed the avatar by now".
But I know that he had issues with his web services, hence the fact he has noticed late is imho excusable.

But the reality shows that you've done good PM-ing them. Hence my merit.

I will make an update sometimes tomorrow.

Royse777 have just posted this since few minutes in the Services subsection:


I really wonder why he chose that section at the same time that he had the option to use the casino's official announcement in the gambling section of the forum. Then what will be the fate of those assessments if Royce insists on ignoring the calls from community after the period he set for accepting complaints has passed?
The most important question is why the casino's official channels are not used to publish the objection or complaints form?

for me, it is very surprising how this problem is managed, especially when it comes from an older and proven member. Google form posted on a couple of forum posts is not the right choice, it seems more like a forced solution to calm the negative story about the casino and manager.
I checked all their other official channels like Twitter, Reddit, and Telegram and nowhere else have I found any mention of solving problematic withdrawals. how will other users who do not use or do not know about this forum solve the issue? Where to complain?

Bitlucy can leave this forum, they still did not have a reputation to protect while Royse has something to lose here.

As a DT1, I'm going to red tag him now, in the hope that it will raise the seriousness of this situation and resolve it.

As I can see, Royse is a co-owner of Bitlucy. It’s very much possible that he doesn’t have access to a lot of things. Maybe casinos official channels are also included on that list. He may not have access to them, just a guess though.
He has a lot to lose here in the forum. So, he must be looking for the best solution. It's sad how the project is managed.

I think giving a month would be a reasonable timeframe to make your legitimate complaint, after that I would say that the company gave users plenty of time. Royse may also consider changing the BitLucy title prompting users to fill out form if they have an issue as well as a link to the form in the last post or something.

Bitlucy disaster should be a lesson and good example for everyone who want to get in business of managing any signature promotional campaign in forum.
This is not the job for everyone, and that is why I appreciate good managers like Hhampuz and others like him that I won't name.
Don't start promoting something if you are going to change rules all the time and if the service website you are promoting is not rock stable.
I only managed some betting competitions in forum but I can't tell you it's not easy as it seems.

Lots of unfortunate sequence of events. I will post some details I felt I must share with the community being a part of it.

1- Bitlucy has a page that explains how to "make payment" rather than "how to deposit". It can be found here (https://www.bitlucy.com/help/payment-instructions) but there is absolutely no page that explains how to withdraw or even a single mention of it. It sounds more like you are making a payment rather than a deposit to the casino.

2- There's a 5% compounding fee on inactive accounts per month, are you also going to compensate users with the same percentage for the inactivity on withdrawals?

3- The maximum total winnings for any player on a single day is 100,000 EURO.

Does that mean you have a max bet adjusted accordingly to this condition? I have seen streamers win millions of dollars on a single slot hit, so do you have a max bet accordingly for in a rare case when a player wins a million dollars, for example, or does he lose out 90% because of this rule?

4- Rule 8.4 says "If we find a suspicious betting pattern upon review of your play, that includes but is not limited to betting with a deposit that was not confirmed at the moment of play, Bitlucy reserves the right to void all bets."

This is very confusing. There are 2 types of mechanisms so far in casinos/sportsbooks

1st - Allow the player to gamble while the deposit is unconfirmed.
2nd - Allow the player to gamble only after the deposit is confirmed.

Now your rule sounds like you are NOT allowed to gamble with the deposit that is unconfirmed but then what's the idea of showing unconfirmed deposits in the balance? Makes zero sense to me. So basically if the player wins you will void the winnings while if the player loses, you will let it be?

5- Rule 8.9 says "We have a wagering requirement of 1.5x for your deposits. This is to prevent money laundering and using us as a mixer. The same wagering requirement applies for any bonus that moves to the main balance after you complete the required wager for it."

So, basically you are asking the player to wager 1.5x again even after unlocking the bonus because it can be used for money laundering? Please explain.

6- Rule 9.6 says "If you win 10 Bitcoin or more, we reserve the right to divide the payout into ten installments, paid with 20 per cent every month for 5 months until the full amount is paid out."

Shows the casino lacks funds because waiting for 5 months is a long time to get my withdrawal, although I appreciate the honesty.

7- Rule 18.5 says "To the extent permitted by law, our maximum liability arising out of or in connection with your use of the Websites, regardless of the cause of actions (whether in contract, tort, breach of warranty or otherwise), will not exceed €100."

So if anything goes wrong, you are only liable to cover losses worth max €100?

Thanks for this detailed report on the casino's terms of use. This was a great effort on your part.
What caught my attention in all of this is that the casino actually represents a set of accumulated problems that no one noticed and there is no room for discussion with the casino staff after the official announcement was closed here on the forum.
It is also clear that the problems related to the withdrawals are only that of the tree that covers the forest. And that this casino does not provide sufficient guarantees to be used effectively.
Perhaps it is not new that scam casinos are launched and this will not stop in the future either, but it is really unfortunate that a trusted member of the forum gets involved in such projects, putting his reputation on the line.

Really?

I couldn't disagree with you more.

Can we call a spade a spade, please?

Bitlucy is a SCAM SITE.

We are not aware that any withdrawal has been processed in all this time since it was launched. Let's see an example of what happens:


And it turns out that we have to put the burden on those who have asked to be paid? That they have to fill in a form when they had to explain their problem before filling it in the official thread that was closed by Royse777 ahead of time?

I'm sorry but Bitlucy is a scam site and for Royse777 to show up now saying that he has processed 4 withdrawals, when they could process them if they wanted to without form or bullshit is not going to make me change my trust.

Bitlucy is a SCAM SITE at the level of 1xCrap and if they want to prove that they are not the burden of proof is not on those who have been scammed.

Sorry if I sound a bit harsh in my reply, yahoo62278, as I think we are basically on the same side but I'm starting to get a bit fed up with the subject already.

I don't think you understand what I say. Royse is giving people a week or less to launch a complaint. I think that he/she/bitlucy should be giving users a month to send complaints/claims.

People can tag at anytime, i'm not saying wait a month to tag.

Ah, OK, so give it a month instead of a week.

What I say is that this scam site supposedly giving a week or month for complaints is a joke, because if they cared about the complaints they wouldn't have closed the official thread, which was where people started to complain about the withdrawals not being processed.

And expressing the complaint with the form is another joke because if they wanted to process the withdrawals they would do it, period.

What I say is that Bitlucy is a scam site that is laughing at people, and the way Royse777 is handling it does not convince me.

I'm pretty sure Bitlucy doesn't have 100,000 euro.

They copied (plagiarized!) the Terms from Betcoin.ag (https://www.betcoin.ag/support/betcoinag-terms-service), who's had them since 2015.

Maybe that's all they have ::)

This is only tip of the iceberg. How many people that are not registered on this forum are waiting for withdrawals? Ten? Hundred? Thousand?

Just confess that bonus abusers devastated bitlucy wallets and bitlucy dont have funds to cover withdrawals, but you are trying to find funds and fix that. Instead of blaming abusers and bitcointalk members being hard on bitlucy.

I really hoped to hear the opinions of each of the members, logfiles (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1247226) _BlackStar (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2867307) JollyGood (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1016855) especially since they used to race to monitor fraudulent projects and defend employees against thieves and scammers.
I honestly don't understand why they ignore Bitlucy's situation even though one of their friends is involved with it.

In the face of this silence applied by the members who we used to see defending the right against fraudsters, and with their complete disregard for what is happening with Bitlucy, contrary to what we saw in their reactions with other fraudulent projects, the rule in this forum has become as clear as the sun..

- Create an account on the forum.
- Manage some projects to get everyone's trust.
- Add trusted members to your trust list. They will add you in turn.
- Now all you have to do is wait for an opportunity to be assigned to a big project or launch it yourself because your reputation is the guarantee that no one will verify its seriousness and your friends on the trust list will of course support you.
- Collect as much money as you can, and it doesn't matter that you lose your reputation because you've got enough in return.

I think everyone here remembers Luda and that great project that she worked on in her last days before leaving the forum. Does anyone remember how much money that project collected and about the fate of the investors after the project became forgotten? Has anyone ever thought about the members who joined the project just because they trusted Luda?
Almost the same scenario has been repeated over and over again, and the current example with Royse777 and Bitlucy is nothing but another piece in a big puzzle of thiefs who can manage things using bitcointalk forum.

I think between logfiles (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1247226) _BlackStar (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2867307) JollyGood (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1016855) and Royse777 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=366632) are close friend and have special relationship how keep hidden each other if become scammer. It is possible that some of them have received a commission from Bitlucy so that until now there has been no response, not even a single comment on this tread. Especially for JollyGood (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1016855) he is immediately active when giving red trust to members who join the 1xbit campaign without giving warning first, but when  scams happened to bitlucy he was a thousand languages ​​and not at odds with 1xbit.

can you both stop this nonsense?
I guess you're angry because your original accounts were tagged by these users, but this is not the place for this. open a new topic and express all your doubts there (best use your main accounts).
after all, Royse has already been tagged by several DT members because of the Bitlucy problem, I don't see why it is obligatory for these three members to be involved.

I agree with you to some extent and admit that perhaps this is not the place to raise a side issue that deviates from the main idea of ​​this topic.
But you can imagine how these members did not miss an opportunity to attack the fraudulent projects, so it would be suspicious for them to remain silent in this way only because one of their friends is involved.

Just to clarify, this is an alternative account that I use to express my opinion, and I have never been a party to any scam project, nor have these members given me an evaluation of any kind, including Royse himself. I use this account to express my opinion because I am afraid that my original account will be tagged if I use it and I will lose my reputation only because one of them can take advantage of his trusted position to harm my reputation just because he may not like my opinion.

All my respect examplens.

I just thought I would add to this,

I am one of the 4 people who have filled out the form.

I had a $21k balance at one stage with Bitlucy.com.

I have been literally BEGGING the owner of the casino to withdraw the money, for around 2 1/2 weeks. I then received this email yesterday:

After being asked to wait you decided to go to different channels but it never resolved anything.

According to our terms and conditions 9.9, 9.10, 9.11, 9.12 we have the full right to ask you for KYC.
9.9 Bitlucy reserves the right to check a player's identity (KYC procedure) prior to processing payouts and to hold withdrawals for the time needed to check the player’s identity.
9.10 It is the responsibility of the player to ensure that all documents as a part of the KYC process are genuine. In case of false personal data provided by the players, the withdrawal will be refused and the user account will be terminated. The player will be informed thereof by email. In case of the faked or fraudulent documents provided will result in confiscation of deposits and potential winnings of the player.
9.11 Player’s identity check may require a selfie, a selfie with a note to the casino, a phone call or verification of a player via live video call (Skype), copy of government Identification, passport, and recent utility or cable bill.
9.12 If location or identity verification is requested, we will make every effort to facilitate your completion of this by email. If it is not completed within 14 days of the initial request, the funds will be retained by Bitlucy.

If we are happy with the KYC then the settlement will be following, the initial deposit returned to your wallet. Confirm that you are fine with returning to the same wallet.
You will no longer be available to play at our site and your account will remain suspended.

Please provide us a selfie with a note “Bitlucy and current date”.

Provide your phone number and a copy of your passport or national ID card. With the picture of your passport or national ID card please have the note visible too in the same frame.
Add a note on the side of the documents saying "BITLUCY KYC "

Of course, I am not going to provide them with my personal data. Based on evidence that they are a scam. Who knows what else they are up to?

But please, take note of this 'If we are happy with the KYC then the settlement will be following, the initial deposit returned to your wallet. Confirm that you are fine with returning to the same wallet.'

They did not even offer to pay out the winnings, only my initial deposit.

Roysee/Bitlucy. You are scum.

Also, I went in on him last night, said and did some things I shouldn't have, and now the website no longer exists. Hopefully no one ever deposits another penny.

Shady af - the literal scam - a shame Royse... Sorry for your loss.

It's Lauda mot Luda, he is a male not a female, and if you are so well aware of events that happened few years ago, why are you hiding behind this newbie alt account(s) instead of using your main account.
You should also stop spamming every thread started by Royce with your ''warning posts'', he did some things in a wrong way but he is not Don Corleone or Al Capone.

Please stop with this charade.
Royce is certainly not a thief, and I never saw a single proof for your claims of some mysterious thief criminal ring in this forum.
On the other hand, bunch of newly registered account all starting to post here is very suspicious, to say at least.

I just suddenly woke up with this issue, a really very big issue.

But 1 thing I want to know, is there any possibility Bitlucy turned off their service and came up with a new name like RIOBIT or something else?

let me know if I'm wrong.

Riobet has been around for a very long time - since 2014 to be exact. They definitely are not related to Bitlucy. ;)

Sorry, bitlucy.com is actually up and running again, the audacity is incredible!

ok, I get it.
But I can't understand why they chose a campaign manager like him who is already accused of much shady behavior.
I expect Royse777 will overcome this situation well.

As unfortunate and true as that might be, they should at least have the players' deposited amounts and should have no issues returning those funds at the very least.


You can check them all at the bottom of their website, I haven't archived them or anything but hope they don't change it overnight.

Another interesting statement ..

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5395791.msg60269810#msg60269810


I don't understand how they made that claim of having no pending withdrawals when there are players who are waiting for the withdrawals since earlier.

How come they have the time to promote the casino but not able to solve the problems? Are they expecting more deposits from new players to pay the old players and if that's true it will be a never-ending Ponzi-style casino.

Players should not have to fill the google form in the first instance because that's unprofessional and strange. What about the players who don't know about bitcointalk? How would they complain and similarly, players from China won't be able to fill the form because google services are inaccessible in their country from what I know and there might be other such issues. Problems on the website should have been settled either via email normally.

How much did you deposit to this very new site? And why?

Well, it looks like you were supposed to lose, to fund the bankroll.

It's not even their Terms, they took the Terms from another site (https://www.betcoin.ag/support/betcoinag-terms-service).

It's almost same and they only edited few words like the casino, amount, jurisdiction etc and added few more rules, I'd say that's 95% identical. Does this included as a red flag? considering how shitcoin projects that copied other project whitepaper are worthy to leave negative tag.

3 days before, they're conducting $10,000 giveaway :D

What more evidence is required to convince us that Bitlucy is nothing more than a scam cansino? Even worse than 1xbit, as I've never heard of a single instance in which 1xbit required a customer to complete KYC! Bitlucy is requesting tie 3 KYC documents, which I'm certain no customers who value his privacy would provide.

Rose777 knows more than we thought, and I'm sure she/he knew they were broke from the start of their signature campaign.

They even copied the content on their sites and their ToS.

Lol... yeah sure, a shit show like them giving away $10k just like that - not even with stolen money would they do that.

Why don't you start by tagging Royse777 using your real account instead of rushing in here with sock puppet accounts trying to push your own agenda through me?

Must I comment on anything that comes up? You have no right to dictate on what I should do in this forum, moreover through sock puppet accounts. I will comment or get involved when I want.

Have some balls (or boobs) and create a new reputation topic about why you are unhappy with me or anyone, and stop derailing this thread. And please, you can use your real account. I don't tag people unreasonably.

And look how they conveniently disabled the option to comment on their tweets, perfectly knowing what would happen. This is a very shady practice that is rarely used, especially not if you are offering some service like they do.


https://i.postimg.cc/90nXdh3h/Screenshot-2022-06-22-at-18-29-23-Bitlucy-Casino-Sports-on-Twitter.png


That's probably because you tagged their accounts for promoting 1xbit so now they want you to do the same with Royse.

What does that mean?  What "different channels" did you "go to?"



Any chance you can share a screenshot of the email?



Care to elaborate on this?  What did you do that you should not have done?

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I don't remember the exact number, but they were offering a very generous deposit match (or claimed to.)  It was something like $5k IIRC.  It seemed rather suspicious to me when I first saw it, like they were deliberately trying to lure-in the greedy fish.

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Lol, look for a 1xBit signature dope who was also tagged by Royse777, and we'll probably find out who this alt belongs to.

Any chance you can share a screenshot of the email?

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I do not know why you need me to send proof of the email, clearly, I have just copy and pasted it.

I deposited $1,000. Wagered $200k and was exactly within and also exceeded the terms set out to withdraw.

Can you please confirm to me how to post a photo on here, and I will do it.

Sorry, I am not a forum goer, other than a fishing one...  ;D ;D ;D

Just upload the screenshot to any of the following image hosting sites and then share the links here... Don't forget to blur off sensitive or personal information

imgur.com
imgbb.com

So, you deposited $1,000 and eventually won $21,000 with multiple wagers, or you you wagered $200 once and won $21,000?

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Lol, obviously, you really buggered up that reply.   ;)

Whatever, I really don't care.  Forgive my cynicism, but these types of threads seem to always attract some scampuppet johnny-come-lately crying "woe is me, I got scammed too" hoping to cash in on a payday (if a payday ever happens.)  So far you're not doing a great job convincing me otherwise.

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In addition to the ones mentioned by Bitcoin_Arena I just started using postimages.org.

The website only show black screen on Tor Browser, so i was assuming it was down when i asked the question. But i just checked it with Chrome/Firefox + VPN and it loads fine. Anyway, i just archived the ToS page using online service. Here's the link,
1. https://archive.ph/iRVLo (https://archive.ph/iRVLo)
2. https://web.archive.org/web/20220623095835/https://www.bitlucy.com/about/terms-conditions (https://web.archive.org/web/20220623095835/https://www.bitlucy.com/about/terms-conditions)

When I said fishing, I literally meant fishing. Like with a hook and a line, lol.

I am at work with no access to my pc. But, here is an iPhone screenshot of part of the email, with the time corresponding to now:

https://i.postimg.cc/qqkyc7zV/6-F36-F6-B5-4-EA1-4925-8-D15-BDFA7-EABD23-E.png

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Whatever, I really don't care.  Forgive my cynicism, but these types of threads seem to always attract some scampuppet johnny-come-lately crying "woe is me, I got scammed too" hoping to cash in on a payday (if a payday ever happens.)  So far you're not doing a great job convincing me otherwise.

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Also I didn’t pick up on this as I was working.

I am disappointed that you would think this, however, I guess that this is the world that we live in now.

People scam innocent people, then innocent people are doubted that they have actually been scammed.

I am a very small-time person on Twitch. Bitlucy was contacting lots of small streamers, like myself, offering a partnership deal. With lots of bells and whistles.

I personally, just do it as a hobby. And I think if I gamble, I might as well stream it. That way, it might stop someone else gambling.

I’ll refer you to here: https://m.twitch.tv/wildsyy/clip/DifficultOnerousAnteaterPMSTwin-8m-I-7vh1Cd9hKA2

Which is one of the ~$5k wins.

If you’d like to see more detailed evidence, I am happy to send everything over to you on Discord. You can add me here: wildsy#1445

Roysee seems to be on the case and working with me to solve the issues. I will be happy to update, once this is done

What is the real game with you? How many alt-accounts do you have here? It seems you dislike Royse777 to the extent you are pushing others to do your bidding and that will not happen. Each member of this community can make up their own mind about how to proceed in any case of scam allegations.

Silence on my part? Exactly where have I remained silent?

I am not associated with Royse777, we never been friends or even close at all. We hardly interacted with each other.

Judging by the manner in which you are taking the opportunity to attack Royse777 for her participation in the Bitlucy scam as well as to attack various members including myself making wild accusations, I am curious to know what the name of your original account is? Why are you not using it to post instead creating another alt-account?

What is the purpose of mentioning my name constantly? Did I negatively tag your other accounts? Why do you have an anti-Royse777 agenda? Did one of your other accounts receive a negative from her? Is that it?

And to suggest any of the names you mentioned have received payment from Bitlucy is simply preposterous.

Also lost $600

CEO was very friendly and talked me into help him on Telegram. He spoke my language so my normal caution was lower because we normaly don't have so many cheaters here.

I think the plan in the beginning was to run the site but he did not have the funds to promote, develop and run the site same time. The classic mistake where you borrow funds from game accounts. And at some point not possible to recover.

Probably pop up again with new name.

Weird, you lost $600 and didn't leave a tag (it doesn't matter if there are already red tags or not).

It was on telegram where CEO used the user @BitlucyCEO

Has notting to do with Royse777

I was contacted because I have a post here om bitcointalk where I seek crypto jobs. Was stupid pay some services for the CEO. He should then give me funds back.

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The CEO sent me little funds from
3FP7WqmGjWVTJC3x2Rj8XoDUmrXNCHkxRg
trxID 4dd585211813ce348976c7f16819bd47bf7b9e0b9d1c865ad6ff39d71210210b

For helping to give feedback on version 1 of their site.

[moderator's note: consecutive posts merged]

I feel for you losing approximately $600, it is not a small amount therefore I am sorry for your non-payment. And yes they could easily pop-up with another website using a different domain and brand name.

Well it does not matter which employee or part owner of Bitlucy contacted you to work for them. Based on the facts as they are known thus far, Bitlucy was owned by two people: Royse777 and the Bitlucy CEO - therefore some would say it does have something to do with Royse777.

I am interested to know who are these some of them. A user who paid for feedback, a user decodx who is advocating for you and who else?

This is a perfect example of how you justify a case and hostage users with your red tag. You are pissed because Royse777 did not share you private information and ignored your unlawful demand. Now when JanEmil, a victim himself is admitting that Royse777 has nothing to do with it, you are advising him to involve Royse777. Are you saying for example, in a group of company if the chairman runaway with the fund resulting the entire company including their shareholders in loss, you are going to tag the chairman and all the shareholders? This is pathetic. You were the same pathetic against the user nemgun too. I would like others to understand your arguments are totally inappropriate which obviously reflects on the tag I left for you.

https://i.postimg.cc/nL8VkByK/Screenshot-2.png

Sorry to hear about you losing $600 but I think other people lost much more.
All scammers are friendly at start, and really good ones are able to scam and trick a lot of people and take away their money.
Best thing people should do with this case is to report Bitlucy owner and release all his personal details in public, that could prevent next scam project he creates, and I am sure he is already working on it.

Leave a red tag on who?
Member Bitlucy is long gone from forum and that wouldn't help anyone.

I'm still amazed how many people pay things upfront for a job they're taking. I always have one basic rule: if you have to pay to get paid, you're getting scammed.

You are right, if you are paying in order to get paid then you are getting scammed but unfortunately warning signs can be missed or can get blurred when people sell a dream to unsuspecting victims.

I was surprised to read JanEmil (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1118969) was a victim. Not only that, he paid money upfront to the Bitlucy CEO in order to be employed. It is not always about victims being greedy, it can on occasion get confusing when they have prolonged chats with those trying to scam them and they fall victim in the process.

You are illegitimately expanding JollyGoods' argument from "two people owning a company" to a "corporation with countless of shareholders". Makes sense to you? Not to me.

You are neglecting that the Bitlucy CEO seems to have had no outreach to a valuable community except for some private, absolutely ridiculous, publicly available chats (I read them, did you?). It seems to me that Royse777 saw an opportunity here, huh? Who knows the crypto people loving to gamble with their cryptos? The Bitlucy CEO? Or Royse777? There are a couple of synergies that Royse777 was able to deliver. You are talking as if she was sitting on a desk in a quiet room stamping some unimportant letters and shredding some of the letters that are not needed anymore. At times she brought coffee to her boss. Sorry, no, that is not the case.

How many victims are paid so far by our liar Royse?

Why are you involving me in this discussion? I have never commented anything about JanEmil or JollyGood here. My only comment in this topic was almost two months ago and all I wanted to know then was the truth about the Bitlucy case. You can read it here (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5402179.msg60392465#msg60392465).

Thanks for your input, at least someone is speaking. Although it does not matter much now, we never talked to each others too. I am just wondering what job you did for him?

He asked me to promote his site. I said no few times.
Then he started to write in my native language. And he talked me into help.

First task was to give feedback on the site. In retrospective thinking that task was to pay me very little so I as thinking he was good guy ;-)

Then I should promote. I have my own system for that. But he talked me into using bitmedia. The amounts got wilder and wilder. 10000$ he asked for one day. And many other things. Every day some friendly message and some request for money. The classic I am out. Could you transfor for me and get money when I home. And different things.

I ended up losing 600$, Some will say that is wild. But I could have lost so much more. But I got out fast.

Then you wrote on a post I have here on bitcointalk. I looked a bit at your profile and found this post.

edit:

I do some referral marketing and normal you have to do ALOT work and maybe use paid promotion before you start to earn.

Bitlucy CEO flushed the database. He said some new systen. And it did not matter. But ofc it matters to lose your refs, deposits etc.

I think he wanted to make the site in the beginning. Maybe because hard to accept I was an idiot.

edit 2:

Looks like he still on telegram. The account say - recently online.

Edit 3:
"Royse as BOB" on telegram still online as well. Yours?
https://i.ibb.co/ZMZJYMq/2.png

Let's see if you also find this curious. There is an IBCO in the Securities section that aims to raise 7 BTC, without much success so far.

[IBCO - Whitelist] ⚽🎰 Casino Critique⭐ FREE Chip for BCT Members ❤️‍🔥 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5409868.0)

https://i.postimg.cc/W1xtxzkB/1.jpg (https://postimg.cc/NK7gHgbD)

https://i.postimg.cc/bNwSTFDG/2.jpg (https://postimg.cc/yW2N6jTB)

https://i.postimg.cc/RZ36r6T4/3.jpg (https://postimg.cc/21D8h5JK)


The OP registered on Bitcointalk on July 10 this year.


Food for thought.

It's just an icon that a few announcement threads are usuing.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5409276.0

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1221154.0

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=238323.0

Here are a few threads using the same icon and I seriously doubt that using that icon connects anyone to BitLucy.

It's not enough to attribute their relationship to just the number 777. The service you suspect doesn't use that number as a mascot, so anyone can use it. These emojis are generally synonymous with casino services which I think is a better form of interpretation than writing numbers manually.

By getting out fast it seems clear it worked in your favour because you could have ended up losing much more than $600. Thank you for elaborating no your experience because it helps forum members understand what happened.

Even though P2PECS was unsure, it is a good sign to see forum members are still on the lookout for any clues pointing to scams past and present. Sadly the forum is heavily infested with scams and it would be wise for all to be on the lookout.

if you base on that, then it means around 80 casino businesses are connected to each other because they use the same emoji in their post titles - https://ninjastic.space/search?board=56&title=%F0%9F%8E%B0%20-re%3A
This includes the likes of punt.com, Bitroll.io and old trusted casinos like Bitcasino

This does not mean that his guess is 100% wrong.
And the best answer, in my opinion, can come from Royse777 himself or casino critique to confirm or refute this guess and remove confusion.
I also do not think that the two accounts are connected based on just an icon, although the writing style seems very similar between Royse777 and casino critique.

Your recent activities say something else. A lot of your recent feedbacks and judgements prove that you are desperately looking for painting red because of personal vendetta. Don't use your dt status in personal vendetta. Otherwise it won’t take much time to get out of dt network.

The similarity in the writing style is very clear between the two accounts and by reviewing their posts it can be easily seen that they both use the same signature [Cheers,]. The use of the comma is remarkable.

Posts casino critique:

Posts Royse777:

Is there any other forum member using this signature in the same way?
I know that this may not be a sufficient argument to prove that the two accounts belong to the same owner. But at least this is a clear indication that this is a strong hypothesis.

Bro, this forum turns people who started out naive and innocent as a newborn child into hardened, jaded, and completely cynical ragemonsters within months at most, assuming they're fairly active.  I'm not sure it's a reflection of our world so much as a function of bitcointalk and/or the crypto space in general. 

It's as if we were all to line up side-to-side and after doing so, either the person on your left or your right is a scammer--if not on both sides.  And that being the case, newcomers to the forum are treated pretty harshly, rightly or wrongly.  Don't take it personally.  This is why reputation is so important on the forum.

I think the lesson to take away from all this is that in crypto, as in life generally speaking, you will run into people from all walks of life. Some will be good, some will be bad, and there are probably a lot of shades of gray in between. You can judge people by their words on just about any forum but even this does not always paint a complete picture either. Everyone is drastically different, and all over the place, by nature. It does not help that there are large economic disparities between the "haves" and "have nots", the ones with big wallets, or the ones with tiny wallets. You will observe this everywhere in real life-on the internet, on the street, etc. I imagine it is always been that way really, just not to this degree of disparity in magnitude today.

Rhetorical question: Greg Maxwell and Pieter Wuille (both ex-developers of Bitcoin Core) have also signed off messages to me with "Cheers", so how can we be so sure that the Casino Critique account is not operated by one of them?

We can't be sure of anything, but the question is who is behind the Casino Critique account.

If he were someone of impeccable reputation, like DarkStar_, he would use his main account to promote the project, not a newly created one.

Sadly, for as long as I've been interested in bitcoin and been a member of this forum, I'm one of the ones with a "tiny wallet".  I wish I was joking or just being humble.  I'm not sure what that has to do with the number of scammers on the forum, but I just thought I'd publicly declare my poverty.  Lol.

The whole team is listed on the Casino Critique website, no?  If not all of them, IIRC most of them are named, Hhampuz among them, and Little Mouse.  I don't get the feeling that they're not being transparent enough or are trying to scam the community.  I think it's just a question of them getting enough funding to get the review site off the ground.

As far as the Casino Critique forum account goes, it would make sense to create one to represent the service regardless of who's behind it, no?  I think I've seen examples of that before, but damned if I can remember specifics.

Maybe it is just Santa Claus or Mickey Mouse...  ::)
I wonder why are you and few other newbies so much obsessed with this guy that you had to bring back this topic alive.
All this talk is unrelated with Casino Critique so please talk about that is appropriate topic, and that goes for all other newbies posting their suspicious.

Are you asking for donation... sir?  :D

It probably has no direct connection, but it indirectly does. I am sure that every form of human activity has its fair share of scams; however, in the crypto world, they are most likely more common than anywhere else. Because each of us regrets for all the missed opportunities, to some extent. Some to the point that they are willing to do any form of scam they can imagine just to get a piece of the action. Others, on the other hand, are so blinded by other people's success and their own greed that they become easy targets of such scams. Because of greed and envy, scammers have found a new playground, crypto investments, and started clogging it with multi-level marketing schemes, pyramid schemes, shitcoins, ICOs, etc. And there you have it, a vicious cycle, where the scammers are on one end of it, and the regretful on the other, but they both want the same thing: a lot of coins in their wallet.

And by writing style you are only showing us only one word, are you going to use that to make a claim that accounts belong to the same person? Come on, there are so many people who use the same sign-off word "Cheers," Just look it up

It would, but if DarkStar_ was managing Casino Critique's account everyone would know it's him who is behind it. Either the account would have a neutral tag indicating this or it would be clearly stated in the thread. Not taking advantage of the impeccable reputation would be stupid, like shooting yourself in the foot.

I think it has been stated in other threads that all of the names except one has been made public. The reason for hiding that name has not been revealed but withholding that very important information from the beginning clearly shows this project will probably be a non-starter.

Whether that has affected investment can be debated but what right now they have less than $100 (or 0.005 BTC) in their chip sale address so that speaks volumes in itself.

There are huge disparities for example when looking at signature campaign payouts. Some members are earning less than $50 a week for a signature and avatar campaign whereas some are earning separate incomes for the avatar and signature. With you getting up to $300 per week from Chipmixer and I do not know how much from Foxpup, I would say you are at the higher end with a not-so tiny wallet  :)

LOL.  I had to go back to see why the hell I even wrote that--but I believe my point was that Stalker22 was talking about wealth disparity, and with anonymous people on a forum or basically in any situation where you don't have complete information, you don't know for sure who the "haves" and "have-nots" are.  I wouldn't doubt that some folks would see my profile and notice how many posts I have, how long I've been here, etc., and draw conclusions about how much bitcoin I own.  I know I've done it with other people.  But if anybody did assume I've been hoarding bitcoin since I registered....not even close.

So that's that.

We'd have to define "tiny" but take a look at how many posts I've been making weekly for the past 6 months or so (https://ninjastic.space/user/the%20pharmacist).  I used to be jacked up every day to be part of whatever conversation was going on, but my passion has waned (probably because of some RL stuff).  

But no, if you saw what passes for my bitcoin wallet you'd know I'm not lying or being unreasonably humble.  No Lambo for me, and I wouldn't even be able to buy a decent gaming laptop!

Foxpup is the furry Godhead, though.

It was more a playful comment rather than factual one when I referred to the not-so tiny wallet, I am sure I never wrote it off as you being unreasonably humble or lying. As for Foxy, what can I say that has already has not been said about her  ;D

I sincerely hope one day that Lambo will be yours and if there is a stunning mansion to along with it as well, I would be extremely happy for you. I mean it with sincerity.

Well that's awfully nice of you to say, and I'm sure you meant it, but if you knew me IRL you'd know that neither of those things is in my future.  I'm sort of fantasizing about those right-hand drive mini pickup trucks they manufacture in Asia, like the Honda Acty (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honda_Acty).  Dreaming about buying one is the best I can do right now, that's how little my wallet is, so to speak.  If you were to give me a Lambo right now, I'm sure I'd somehow manage to fuck it all up within a month.  That's me.

I must have missed your post, but you make a good point.  Not sure it matters a whole lot at the moment, as it doesn't seem like Casino Critique is going to get off the ground.