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"Save the earth", "Save the Ocean", "Save the forests", "The earth is bleeding" etc are very common phrases we come across in this century. What is funny is that humans aren't even looking at saving themselves (like "Save the humans"  :D) except shelling the shit out of ourselves in the name of wars based on egos of our leaders.

From what I see, The earth doesn't give a damn on whether we try to save it or not. We found the Earth here, and we shall probably go extinct at one point and leave it behind, just like the dinosaurs are now a distant history to it. The earth will always heal no matter what.

All this "Save the earth" projects or themes won't make sense if a random asteroid came from nowhere and hit our planet, wiping out everyone. I think our priorities are misplaced. We should be looking at saving each other, avoid pointless wars and survive peacefully.

The earth will always recover no matter what, it doesn't need saving for itself, but for us, humans, who are making life unbearable for ourselves. Plastics require years to decompose and they are filling our oceans, land and beachers, we need to preserve for the future generations, for humanity. Honestly, I was thinking of participating in a master's degree related with the preservation of the environment.

Edit: Grammar and context.

If all the nukes in the world were set off, in the long run it might harm the planet some... just as millions of people living in big cities seem to ham climate locally, a bit.

When you consider that all the people in the world could fit into two cubic miles, people don't seem to be so much after all, and there isn't really a population explosion that the world can't handle... considering that the earth has approximately 259,500,000,000 cubic miles.

Now, of course, we can't live in most of those cubic miles. But when you calculate it out, you will find that there is plenty of room for all the people... and a whole lot more.

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It's the same thing. People who are destriying the planet make these wars. And ordinary people who leave rubbish in streets, hate other people and nations. 

Well, the thing is humans are actually looking out for themselves when they try to save earth and its natural resources. These resources are what makes it possible for man to somewhat survive here on earth, but when these resources are depleted and abused, over time it will definitely come back to haunt man who is always in dire need of them. Thus the call for eco-consciousness and other sort of campaigns that advocate for more care for the enviroment is basically just man looking out for himself, now and in the long run.

The sad truth is that the earth’s days are numbered. It is going to die a fiery death at the hands of the sun. The only way to ensure the survival of mankind is to make it a multi planetary species. That’s the Elon Musk speech anyway. I think it’s the proper way to think about things as well. While we are destroying the earth at unacceptable levels by over utilizing resources, we shouldn’t forget that the ultimate goal is not needing the earth to survive.

Lemme then gives a counterargument to that, why would we save the humans, if we are all going today anyway? What would be the point? Why procreate if you basically just give birth to someone on a death sentence?

The earth itself might not care for us, but its unique conditions (and yes, since we haven't seen many examples besides earth, they are somewhat unique, at least to our solar system) ''cared'' enough to give us a chance to form and evolve, so by caring for the planet would be caring for something that is not ours (we did not make it, therefore, we are not permitted to destroy it, we are not the Gods of 'it'), but gave birth to us, no matter if we as a species outlive it in whatever form or condition.

I hope I made that clear enough.

We are saving the earth because we are making a better world for the next generations where is less pollution and have someplace to stay like how it used to be. When there were more trees on the road that can shade you from direct sunlight and the like of it. I think those people who weren't aware of how bad it is to live in a place where there are no trees, are people who live with some air conditioner in their homes. People that are used to living in those kinds of places are already feeling the changes that's why some people are dedicating their lives to making it back. Like these couple here:

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If we don't stop doing all the things which harm the environment will not only be the reason for extinction of human but also most of the living things in this world sooner than what it supposed to be. However climate change will happen for sure even if we stop everything but it slowen the process so more time for human or atleast a century more.

You should see how scrawny, brown and withered those trees look in the winter.

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Cut one tree and plant two in its place. This is another of those and the truth is, they all help. Humans, we are both creative and destructive in nature and have altered so much about the earth's structure due to our curiosity but in all that, we are doing our best to remediate and build.

If we are to look at it, nature doesn't really needs us to save it but it could save itself. I mean, the design is so unique that it goes in circles to correct what alterations that might have been done in the past but, should we let nature save itself, its going to follow a path that might bring harm to humans.
It therefore means, in our plight to save nature, we act as facilitators an indeed save ourselves in the process.

Nature doesn't need saving, it can live without us, it'll take thousands or even millions of years to recover but eventually our footprint will have been deleted. We're the ones who can't live without it, each year, we're depleting more resources that can be produced, pollution is rapidly increasing and so is the temperature of the planet, if action isn't taken now, the future generations are doomed. On top of that, our forests, the source of oxygen, are being depleted, either by wildfires or for our own personal gain.

But, but, but...

People who cut trees down and plant new trees, work harder than if they did nothing. This puts more CO2 into the atmosphere from all their heavy breathing. That means more climate change, right.

Stop both, cutting trees down and re-planting, right?

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Unfortunately, that's the impossibility to the situation. Resources would always be mined and used. It doesn't matter if they are plants, animals and minerals. As humans, we've got taste and needs and these things in our environs is what we could used in satisfying them. We aren't going to leave things be to fly out of space and get the resource we need to fix ourselves up. We would always get it right here but, our actions to the correction of the problems we create is what matters.

If we are to say, they shouldn't cut trees, do nothing and there won't be any heavy breathing and no CO₂ increase in the environment, then wht about the athletes. At least, they aren't cutting trees but thy get to perform there sports, burn energy and in turn, release CO₂ into the atmosphere.
In all, we still have to try and follow processes that ensures its remediation.

we are able to drill holes deeper then aquifers and water tables to suck oil up..

yet when it comes to disposing of plastics and toxic chemicals
we try to just lay them in shallow ground pretending we cannot put them in safer places any deeper. pretending its impossible to go down deep enough to put them in places.

the solution is simple. fill up the deep mines/underground reservoirs we first got the oil out of way below the water table, way below aquifers, where they cannot leak into our ground water systems.

same with nuclear. put them in the very spot we got the nuclear material from
if we were able to extract them, refine them and transport them safely to nuclear power plants, we can do the same in reverse
..
the actual excuse is not ability. but cost.
just putting plastic in landfill is free because humans pay their local government utility company (trash companies) to take it away and dispose of on cheap land handed to them for free by local government
..

if it was good enough to have nuclear material in those spots for millions of years before us, then we can put it back where it came from(in reverse)

EG
coal quarries.
we can sequester carbon into solids and put it into the quarries coal was extracted from.

silly people have silly idea.s to sequester carbon and then sell it to fizzy drinks companies to carbonate drinks which we should then consume.

however they think its impossible to put it back into the very mines from which it came

It doesn't need saving, it just needs us to make a step back and stop polluting it. We only have one Earth.

You can see how easy it is to pull nature out of balance and how damaging it can be. There's a recent problem on a river between Germany and Poland where tons of fish were found dead because apparently the water became too salty.

I feel like we're focusing on the carbon footprint and melting ice caps but the real disaster will hit us where no one expects it.

The planet does not need saving. We need to protect our environment and our limited resources.

We are only protected by a 1-3 mm ozone layer. When it will be gone, most of life will go with it.

We need to stop using fossil fuels, and we need to stop the exponential growth of the human population.

Don't shit where you eat.

Supposedly, the ozone layer is showing signs of healing after 2000, a result of reducing the usage of ozone depleting substances, such as Chlorofluorocarbons (CFCs), however, HCFCs are yet to be banned and are still used in refrigerators and freezers.

https://i.ibb.co/5hg1G8g/2021-11-25-EEA-ozone-webpage-with-Copernicus-Figure-1.png (https://ibb.co/d4wfj2w)

In 2019, the ozone hole was considerably smaller, but honestly, I don't see too much improvement in recent years.

I'm starting to believe that our generation is pretty much doomed.

The modern green initiatives don't do much to actually stop climate change so the question to ask is whether people should feel comfortable paying 2x-3x their energy cost in order to reduce carbon emissions by using renewable/cleaner energy sources. And by doing so, making only a fractional impact on global average temperature increases over the next 100 years. Most people wouldn't even pay 1.1x their current energy costs even if it made a more sizeable impact than what the projections show. Russia, India, China, don't have any intentions on reducing their emissions any time soon.

The green energy hippies would rather have you freeze to death in the winter than emit carbon pollution.

When I remember the changes that took place on the planet during the period of mass quarantine when the pandemic spread, I realize that the planet indeed deserves an urgent rescue mission.
All indicators of the scientific community confirm that the health of the planet requires urgent intervention. Unfortunately, there are no practical solutions that are effectively implemented on the ground, despite all the warnings of danger.

Unfortunately, it's true. During Covid-19 quarantine measures, pollution was radically decreased, the air was a lot cleaner and the effects of human isolation were very evident for the environment. However, that was only temporary, since after the measures were drawn, we quickly reverted to our previous state. Human activity is harmful for the environment, period. I strongly believe that future generations, including mine, are pretty much doomed to face the severe side effects of our actions.

Not everyone is getting what is happening to the planet as a result of human activity, as a direct result of global warming. There are waves of extinction for many types of creatures, whether on land or in the sea, and this in itself causes an imbalance in the ecosystem from which it is difficult for nature to recover in a short time.
Capitalism has created consumer societies and globalization has increased the spread of a culture of excessive consumption among all societies, even those that do not have the elements of a good economy have been pushed to exploit all their resources to meet the needs of rich societies. If this system continues over the next two decades, its consequences will be disastrous for all of us.

   We're human who made our earth worsen we're just the one who used it. Nature or Earth need us , same us people who live down there. Nature is horrible that makes revenge, that's why treat them good and with love.

Except in big cities locally, climate change is a lie. The idea that CO2 is causing global warming is an invention of some people with an agenda to control the world.

CO2 is plant food. As the population of the word grows, we get more CO2 from people, and the CO2 helps plants grow to feed the people.

The whole thing is as simple as that. Besides, the evidence over the last 2 decades is that we are having global cooling. If CO2 were a global heater, we need it to protect from the next ice age.

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One big volcanic eruption, or one solar flare, could easily erase any results of people trying to not pollute... or TO pollute, for that matter.  It's happened in the past. It will happen again.

One of the major things we need to do in life is to stop being fearful. "The sky is falling. The sky is falling." Lol.

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We might think the earth never give a damn or people are never interested in what is happening to the Earth currently but we should be prepared that we all going to suffer the consequences when it keep coming rapidly. We do not know what we are into now because things looks very easily and the effects have not that tell on us. When that time comes I think we are going to regret why we put ourselves in this big mess.

Sometimes, these changes consequences are a part of the problem of unbelieve in people.
You hear about climate change, earth division and disappearing of species and the best you would hear from it is 10,000 years ago, 56AD, 365BC and shits like that. Truths that the means to verification remains a prediction still. Even the prediction of an amagedon still dates into the future that, we the current generation that are supposedly doing the damage are not going to see.
Hence of what interest or importance will it be to change things that might not affect you!
The whole thing is just confusing and creates its own problems sometimes.
But we really ought to take care of our environment. Its ours!

You're right to an extent, we can save the world by living a peaceful life together with our brothers, neighbors and everyone at large, most problems encountered today were as a result of our individual differences that stirs up conflict amd we should count it a privilege not being struct by a natural epidemic that could cause a massive loss of lives, also we must be conscious of the environment we leave in to make it a better place for a living and the activities we do on it determine the reactions we get from the nature itself either good or bad.

In other words, what you seem to be saying is that the world isn't for itself, right? I mean, the world is a really wonderful thing... the way it all works together, people included or not. But what value is there to having a wonderfully working world?

I mean, doesn't all the value have to do with people's perception of the value of the world? Sure, some of the animals might have a tiny thought for their ability or inability to find food. But isn't it really the people who take deep though on such things?

If there weren't any people, what good is the world? Nobody else cares much about the world at all.

The most ironic thing is that people can't save the world. All they can do is talk about it. And when they talk about it, they base their talk on some things other people told them, even though the other people don't really know what they are talking about.

I wonder who is manipulating the talk, and why?

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The earth does need saving as well as the humans living in it. Both needs saving from humans. We are destroying the planet as well as ourselves with our actions. Man has fought disastrous wars from time past; killing the planet with our incessant wars, polluting our land and seas. The earth naturally would heal and replenish its resources over time. But the rate at which man plunders the planet, it cannot naturally heal itself.
The ice caps in the attic are melting at a much faster rate, therefore increasing the sea levels thereby inducing floods. The planet does need saving as well as humans from a common enemy; ourselves.

The only reason why the earth needs saving is, when we as people make moves to save the earth, it thinks that we are harming it. So, it goes right back top the way it was before we started saving it. :-\

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the planet needs healing and that is the needed on the urgent bases what so ever is the case we all are going to die
Even the queen died - so we all need to realize one thing that nothing in the world is immortal and we need to make this place a better and a secure place.

The problem with this is, the leaders all around the world do not unanimously agree with it or some of them don't really do their jobs when it comes to protecting the planet from all kinds of destruction. especially air pollution and garbages that is thrown into the ocean. I'm glad that in some parts of the world, they are making some major changes and start educating people on how to protect this only planet that we have. Maybe if the governments take a strong campaign against these problems, we might even see changes in the few years to come. But money always prevails especially when those illegal factories pay them well just to throw their wastes into the ocean.

Ofcourse the world needs healing
WE need to take care of the land and water and take care of the carbon footprints too. But people are getting very selfish and they have no time and energy to think about it.

^^^ It's good that you feel this way. We all should be a bit more conservative. Maybe we should join the Republican Party. Regarding the Earth, it can take care of itself.

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Earth doesn't need to be saved.

please understand, do not continue to make tantrums that will boomerang for human existence itself.
Realize that the earth doesn't need us, we need it. the earth will continue to exist no matter what will happen, the concept of "go green" "save the earth" is not to save the earth, but to save us "humans".
whether there are trees on earth or no trees, whether the earth is on fire, flooded, covered by ice, hit by a large meteor, or covered in drowning by sea water, the earth will still exist, rotating in peace in the solar system.

it is humans who will become extinct quickly if the earth is like I said before. hence, humans created the concept of "save the earth".
when the truth is "save humans by maintaining the state of the earth as it is today".
because we, humans, will not be able to live if the earth changes above 80C temperature, we cannot live under water, we will not be able to live without food sources in the form of plants or animals when they also die due to ecosystem damage here and there.  We are the ones who have an interest in survival, not the earth. human presence means nothing to this planet.  long before humans existed, the earth was fine.

COVID and the wars and the natural catastrophes has changed the overall face of the world
And the world needs healing and there is a lot we need to do to save the planet.

if we don't save the planet, our are we going to survive?
The planet Earth needs to be clean and if we don't try our best to ensure that we put certain things in other then we might end up making the worse decision.
We need to join hands together and make sure that we don't make a big mistakes that would make our generation to regret our actions.

We can't save the planet. Why not? Because we can't even save ourselves.

The planet has millions of cubic miles. But we are so tiny that you could easily fit all the volume of all people into 2 cubic miles. We are nothing.

However, we exist. That means that the One Who made the planet, also made us. We need to look to Him to find salvation for ourselves. He will take care of the planet.

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The only good thing about making the planet green is that we are saving the world and saving our health too
I am very impressed from the people were making small gardening groups and making small investment

People don't want to make the planet green. How do we know? Because they want to get rid of the CO2, the plant food that makes the planet green.

People listen to the false advertising that says that CO2 is bad. But the best gardening is done in greenhouses that have added CO2 in the atmosphere.

People are mixed up regarding how to save the planet. First, they can't do it; the planet saves itself. Second, they don't have any reason to do it; the planet saves itself. Third, they need to figure out how to save themselves before they can even really think about saving the planet.

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I think we as a species on this planet need saving. We have
always relied on earth’s resources to thrive. The planet is
going through changes right now with climate change,
emissions and rising sea levels. A considerable aftermath
and consequence with man’s industrialization and abuse to
nature, which unfortunately over time will lead to our demise
if no conclusive amount of action and process would make a
great impact on the problem. I think it’s speeding up more in
the last 10 years, that movie Waterworld is like a foreshadowing
glimpse to what we are gonna be dealing with in the next 30
to 50 years. The planet is saving itself, with all these crazy  
calamities occurring everywhere, the scary changes thats
happening and will continue to happen is a process in itself.

World Economic Forum is making a lot of plans to "build back better" like you said. one of the aspect is that they want to make a net-zero world that no more carbon emissions out more than the planet can afford. in reality, if you look at the other side of this, they are wanting to make people own nothing too. some random banks in Sweden is already pushing out credit cards based on your carbon footprints, which was a literal conspiracy about ten years ago.

this is real. an appropriate amount of carbon emissions rather keeps the soil on the good standing. greenhouse gases cause global warming, but doesn't mean not even an entity would need it. even the forest needs some carbon emissions to keep its life going. to make it a net-zero, we are supposed to make use of those pollutions and not reducing it.

Outside of a few people here and there, most of us live only 100 years, if that. Since the saving of our health doesn't seem to increase the saving of our life very much, maybe we are totally going about it in the wrong way.

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Planet - our society - and our home ==everything thing needs saving
And its a good practice - I like those people who dont waste water. I have seen people who have mangers putting the sink waste water to the toilet so they do not flush clean water.

All right. If everything needs saving, what does it all need saving from? Some form of destruction that we don't really know much of anything about, and that we can barely see or find? What is this destruction?

Isn't the destruction death? I mean, what good does saving the planet do for you after you are dead? Do you think that you can feel stuff in the grave, or after you have been cremated? Are you really smart enough to know what is best for your family and all the other families in the future? And once you are gone, do you really think that you will be able to feel proud about yourself because you helped someone?

People don't even know the laws of physics well enough to know if they are doing a good job of saving anything. And it is even more difficult when a person has to sort all of the propaganda and lies out of it to know what is real.

The best anyone can do is prepare his children for a life that helps them in their little piece of living that they do. Forget saving the planet. At least forget it until you can save yourself from death. You can't do it, anyway.

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I fail to understand what you are talking about - but that is true we all need to save a little to save the planet
Some people are so concern about the planet that they even care for their carbon foot prints.
Even I know someone - they walk bear food. Even on airports and in the aircraft - I dont know why but they do

They say that the population of the earth is 8 billion, now. Where will we get food to feed everybody? More CO2 helps the plants grow better. It's common knowledge in may books... and in use in greenhouses where they add CO2 to help the plants grow better.

Big money people want the population to be reduced so they have an easier time of ruling over people. So they make up the story that CO2 is bad for the planet. If they can get the CO2 to stop, maybe people will starve to death for lack of food.

The only reason why anybody thinks about their carbon footprint is because they were trained to think about it through advertising by big money. They think about it, but haven't done the experimenting themselves to see how it really works. They just believe. It's their religion.

Meanwhile, they miss the religion in life that is important, Christianity.

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It is good to care a bit more towards the society and the planet.
Saving a little - be it water - forests or the food - our planet will be a better place to live

If it were up to me, I'd say we all need to go back to riding bicycles as we did as kids, we're becoming too lazy and need some exercise
Let's say NO to CO (carbon monoxide) emission
Let's save this planet

Isaiah, Jesus, and the Revelation in the Bible all say that not only the planet will be destroyed, but the whole Universe, as well.

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That is correct and that day will be the day of judgement when the whole will be destroyed - that too is the muslim belief
But then again in no book it is said - to damage the world around you.

Actually, yes it's very necessary mate. There is a research called "world overshoot day". This research about humanity's annual demand on nature and what the world can provide in a year. As you can see on the picture we are almost reach it half. Every year getting worse and worse therefore we need to save earth. As Hubert Reeves said “We're at war with nature. If we win, we're lost.” (https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/9989921-we-re-at-war-with-nature-if-we-win-we-re-lost)

https://www.footprintnetwork.org/content/uploads/2022/06/2022_Past_EOD_en_sm.jpg
source:https://www.footprintnetwork.org/

Sometimes I think, the earth really needs to be saved. However, I think again, that people are increasing day by day. For example, if we want to save the earth, that's great. But I think it might be in vain. Regarding human needs that are getting bigger day by day, maybe one day the earth will run out of nature, so saving the earth has an effect or not.

If humans are increasing, of course the place on earth will also be fuller, from year to year. Well, if we do the rescue, maybe it's only temporary, and it won't be forever. Saving the earth is good, and good. But it only lasts a moment, and can't last forever.

So many things is going to happen later when this world is going to end so we need to get prepared for it whether we believe it or not. The world is becoming polluted everyday by day and there is fast need to clean the Earth of it waste and pollution if not we will going to end up one day getting sick one after the other with any sign

what must be saved first is human consciousness itself,
because many people are not aware, this beautiful earth has been eroded by irresponsible people.

conscience, which must first be planted and saved,
without a good conscience it will be difficult to save this earth.

Planet definitely needs saving. It every walk of life it is important to save.
Be it food - water - green land. We have done so much damage to the world already. Let accept the fact that we have polluted the with noise and waste and all the impurities. Just like pandora did by open the evil box.

Today is an era full of wars and depleted economic conditions. And we know that, this earth has been a very long time since its creation. Saving the earth is something worthy. But, is it possible? While we are busy with saving the earth, other people are busy fighting and being selfish. What we must act first, is that humans must make peace and work together to save our earth. There's no point in us saving the earth, and someone else destroying it.

Yes we exist and our existence can make a difference .
Some natural catastrophe has damaged the Earth badly like Covid, floods, Earth quacks,  typhoon  and any other but we humans are also damaging our Earth by deforestation,  by polluting our environment , by killing  and hunting, by overpopulation.  These things have caused damage to Ozone layer , causes soil erosion.

So yes we save our planet and play our part .

But the point is, WHY TRY? I mean, it's a good thought, and a good idea. But our attempts don't do anything except, maybe, locally a little... like where there is a smog filled city, but the open lands don't have any smog. The only thing we really get is a little false peace of mind.

On top of that, since we are going to die anyway, in a few years (or maybe today), what is the real benefit? The wars we have show us we don't really love other people. We need to work on love before we can even think about trying to control a whole, massive planet. And the wars themselves destroy the planet way more than most other things.

But, WHY save the planet, especially since we are only here for a moment? Why, what for? We will be gone, and it won't do us a bit of good.

And then there is the corruption and the practicality involved.


Is recycling one big waste of time? Only 5% of the 51 million tons of American household plastic garbage got recycled last year - the rest ended up in landfill, bombshell report claims (http://www.freedomsphoenix.com/News/334482-2022-10-24-is-recycling-a-sham-only-5-of-the-51-million.htm)




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I guess you are messing up with the wrong meaning of this phrase. Saving the earth means saving it for the people and the next generations. Things require proper attention and are looked after so they may not get worse in the future when it would be more difficult and next to impossible to fix them soon; if we keep focusing on saving the earth, it would mean saving the upcoming (as well as current) generations.

Yes as a human we should own some responsibility towards our fellow humans and next generations . If we keep in damaging our Earth and doing all the things that we shouldn't do we will leave a polluted, dirty and climate disaster for next generations.

Hell no. Humans do not need to worry about the planet. It is just fine and won't get distroyed by us. The whole planet has existed more than billions years and everything has been just fine. Our human race ? haha, we are such later comers and we think we have made an enormous effect on the planet but for the sake of God, it's just a fleeting moment. All pollutions wil be out as time goes by, the climate change will be there whether we like it or not, do something or not. Sometimes we humans just take us too seriously. For the planet, we are just passers-by. Soon we'll be gone and only the planet exists well.

1. Does a volcano give a fuck about less pollution?
2. Do tsunamis and Earth quakes care as well?

If I may ask, where do the "pollutants" come from? Not this very mother earth?
If the carbon has been part of the entire age of the earth, then why is it all of a sudden dangerous?

The Earth can self-heal if need be. A good example is the self-healing that happened after the Chernobyl disaster. What we should focus on is avoiding the senseless dick measuring contests (wars)

All the "save the earth', "save the planet" jibba-jabba is just a money making venture for the organizations involved. It's always about money.

Naturally Human are the enemies of themselves, from my observations i believe those phrases have been misused or misquoted maybe they termed it to be save Human in normal sentences. i don't really know what we all killing ourselves for because as you  made mentioned a day to come non would lived to have all sort of material wealth and gain, typical example is Ukraine and Russian war they could end up killing their selves and yet the earth still remains the same why fighting and killing innocent souls and destroying properties there is no gain for such attitudes.