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I also believe that once this bear season is over, there will be some top coins that will not be able to recover and will be replaced by some new and more potential coins which is inevitable. The altcoin market is always like that, they will always change after every cycle, so to be honest, investing in the top 10 except BTC and ETH, all the rest is very risky.

The good tactic in a bear market in my opinion is to focus mainly on BTC and ETH, the rest look for new gems in the market instead of the top altcoins. For example, the recent Aptos project could also be new gems that will replace someone in the next bull season.

Please don't make make a thread to lure a newbie to invest in shitcoins, if they're only look on the percentage without doing a research they will say ETH and BNB are better than Bitcoin because ETH and BNB price is surge higher than Bitcoin, also ETH and BNB didn't loss too much like Bitcoin. The main factor is the date that the @OP use, he's choosing a particular date that make BTC performance isn't in good condition.

What can I say if the project who make the biggest ROI and it's survive for around 14 years is only Bitcoin.

I agree. It is interesting to see that ETH, XRP and DOGE have a certain age and are today in the top ten. I don't see all three staying there for the next 10 years, though. Maybe one of them will, like ETH or XRP, because apart from bitcoin it is clear that there will be cryptocurrencies that will be important and continue to be used, but betting on bitcoin is betting on a safe value, while with cryptocurrencies it is more uncertain, because bitcoin is fundamentally different from the rest and investors know that.

I think blind investment to top altcoins is never that great. Thinking about Tron especially. I would never invest and hold it because its nothing more than speculative coin now. But if you dig a bit in top 25 coins and their future projections, it can be great to find coins. I feel like Bitcoin, Ethereum and BNB will still stay as market dominator coins, I don't think I can imagine 4 one in that league. But I feel like there is great possibility to see new coin that should be part of your hodl wallet.

It’s a certain fact that altcoins in the market do not stay for long in their marketcap position, either they fall on the bottom or just gone eventually like a thin air. Even established altcoins that are on top of the list cannot sustain their position, except for ethereum and bitcoin that have been very consistent in their market position. So I’d say hodling long term for those top coins do not guarantee profits in the end. But with bitcoin and ethereum, history proves it that they can always gain sustainable profits.

Meriting you for the effort with the portfolios, but completely disagree with this.
It's impossible for everyone to get rich by just buying and holding coins, let's cut inflation out of the equation as its irrelevant if we talk about coins purchasing power in the future so for everyone to be at least 3rd world country rich you would need trillions in value getting into this, and not only that, but you will need trillions more as people are exchanging their coins for other things of value or for fiat, percentages are deceiving if we do a raw market cap value, and oversimplify things you will see that in all its history cryptos have managed to get valued at 3 trillion, for an x10 spike to happen and for everyone to be happy including the ones buying at 60k you will need 30 trillion, let's think this is possible and even that won't make everyone rich, not by a long margin.

I really think that this whole we buy 100$ with of coins and in 10 years we're rich and not doing anything else needs to stop.


Just lol.

But if you look closely at all the tables over the years, it is easy to see that bitcoin has always dominated the top and other altcoins will mostly be replaced or dropped in rank year by year. Don't just care about ROI but ask why bitcoin is always at the top of the list.
@OP, I think to avoid confusion for newbies in case they don't research but only look at ROI, OP you should add the market capitalization column.


This is certainly true, and if OP fully updated the rankings from 2009, it is evident that bitcoin has the highest ROI compared to the other cryptocurrencies.

It's a well known fact that if you hodled bitcoin from the start you would done well. But that's not the point now is it?  

Nor is it relevant, because if i had gone back one more year to 24.10.2012, there wouldn't been real alternatives,
nor i could find any chart data. And back then btc marketcap would have been $119M,
(that would be nr 176 marketcap right now.)

So obviously it had room to grow in retrospect, like shitcoins have now. Question is: how much more room there is?

I was just pointing out that that they all were considered as low caps at some point, so you might want to take
a look at low caps to get gains (that's why i mentioned shiba).

https://i.imgur.com/uMNu84E.png

And most of people in crypto are profit maximalists that don't care as much about
Fundamentals or code, nor do they understand them. I wouldn't judge them as they make most of the liquidity.



I actually agree with all your points, but i realize that i don't know how much more room there still is to grow. I thought that ETH marketcap
was way too high when it was $12 so maybe don't listen to me :D... But eth and btc now? maybe 10x? And even that could take years.
That's why i was talking about low caps as an alternative. As with buying low caps i have made most of my money.


Can you remind me what btc marketcap was in 2009? Did you get my point about low caps?

The problem lies in discovering new projects that have demand, which is very difficult because the current currencies with a high market capacity will not continue to achieve such heights and you will find that they have been replaced by new currencies and so on.

 - This strategy is not suitable for beginners, but for experts who have technical and analytical knowledge.
 - It will not be suitable for all years, but only when the market is in a bubble.

Also, your choice of date (24.10.20XX) does not give facts.

You might be right. I'll do that later. In fact i could just remove the amount column and put it there. (from past to time of writing)...


Even when you back the best horse, it could fail and "VHS wins again" (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Videotape_format_war). Most of the time it's pure luck and right contacts.


It was random date from the day i started looking into this, it could have been any date. I am not sure what facts you are referring to.

If we stick to the list of the top 10 coins on CMC or CoinGecko, I'm not sure it will be able to provide very big profits because the situation now is very different from previous years. For now, maybe investing in the top 10 coins list might give hope of making a profit but will the list stay like that in the next bull run or altcoin season? No one knows.

Maybe it's a one time investment and then we hold our chosen coins for a certain amount of time but if the coins can't increase, we certainly won't be able to make a profit. Only research from time to time can give us an advantage in choosing the right coin. But I'm sure each of us must have plans and strategies that can provide benefits in the future because that's what we want to achieve later.

You only have to take a careful look at the top 10 coins in terms of market cap over the years. What you will see there is that the coins are changing. The top 10 coins in market cap years ago are not anymore the top 10 coins now. The coins came and go. New coins replaced them. But then those new coins were also replaced by other new coins. Bitcoin is the only coin that is there right from the start until today. And it remained the top 1.

This is a big statement about Bitcoin and altcoins.

Good tactic for what? If you just buy and HODL then what does that accomplish?

Buying and HODLing is a decent strategy if you're wealthy and have income streams. But what if you don't? The goal should be to make profits no matter what your business is.

Actually, holding potential coins is a good strategy and it was been a common practice by many investors. Because if that is not a profitable way, therefore, we can no longer see and hear that they are holding for many years. But they are and that is because, with that simple strategy, they are earning more and saving from losing from the up and down movement of the market. Perhaps, a lot of people can prove it and it is quite believing knowing that old investors are still doing this. Don't doubt it, perhaps we can try.

Yes, that's really true. Over time, new coins kept coming into the top 10 and others have disappeared. When i started with cryptocurrencies, coins were in the top 10 that you don't hear about anymore and that nobody talks about anymore. For example, PeerCoin, Mastercoin, NXT and MaidSafeCoin were in the top 10 in 2014. Who still knows them today? Unfortunately I can't remember which coins were in the top 10 in 2012. But here is a picture of the coinmarketcap from 2014.
https://i.imgur.com/7dqQIC4.png
Source: https://web.archive.org/web/20140711041606mp_/http://coinmarketcap.com/currencies/views/all/

The main reason for BTC and ETH to hold in your wallet is simply due to it’s large marketcap. Due to it’s popularity whenever the price goes down, people will tend to buy more and eventually the price will go up. The basic principle of supply and demand are shown when we basically talk about these two coins.

Coming to the OP, it’s not always best to hold the top 10 coins, i mean not during the bear market atleast. Yes BTC and ETH can be considered as optional, but apart from this other coins might come with risks.

So investing in top 10 coins in the marketcap never hold profits guaranteed at all. As they can always lose their value and vanished instantly. That is true to shitcoins but if we only focus on bitcoin and ethereum, most likely we will gain consistent profits as they are known to be prominent coins over a long period of time. Though they still have their own risks, but it’s less risky at all when you know the coins you are investing are well established and have been proven so profitable since their existence.

We also have to consider that in those said years, there are different trends that happened at some coins. Therefore, the Top 10 in the snapshot date chosen by OP which is October 24 has different data from other months within or the same year.

Take note also that when there's a big hype on a certain coin, it's really achievable to build up a big volume making their market capitalization grow but in most cases, that hype doesn't last for long resulting in not sustaining their position in the Top 10 coins in terms of market cap.

Anyway, I am honestly impressed with the effort done on that comparison.

Thank you for the great effort you made in creating this topic, for me I do not like to take risks so I always choose Top Ten coins in the market to put the largest part of my capital in, I do not like to risk big numbers so I use these top ten coins because they are guaranteed in the future , while I am risking a small section of my capital in shitcoins with lots of zeros (there is a good chance it will multiply many times) and when it goes up a little I sell it and make some profit.

There's no such thing about guaranteed and if we do look and compare out on those coins who had sit out on top 10 rankings then it did really make out some change and as op had been said that
some coins/projects didnt really able to make it on which it might be listed on top 10 in the past but eventually sits down on the lower ranks after further years.
If we do speak about risk taking and does have that money to spend or invest on and holding for long term years then it would be depending on someones choice.
If you could able to put up funds for long years then its good but we should be wise on the time that prices is considerable enough for us to make a sell
so that you wont really be ending up on holding for too long or waiting up.

Oh wow, I just remember a experiment from @LoyceV years ago. I did not participate that time because I was just starting my crypto journey.

But for those who are interested and understand what I'm saying here,

LoyceV's Legendary 10 Month 10 Person 10 Altcoin Investment Experiment: ENDED  (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2024536.0)

LoyceV's Legendary Small-scale 10 Month 10 Person 10 Altcoin Investment Experiment: ROUND 2 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4597341.0)

Holding the top 10 market cap coins might be a good tactic but for me, Bitcoin is the only good investment there for the long term.

There are lots of opportunities outside the Top 10 if we were able to hunt those and able to enter at the right time.

But regardless if it's Top 10 or not, making profits out of those depends on how we managed it.

Not debatable option to choose bitcoin is the top option but we also need to consider that we should't put all our eggs on one basket only because to much believing on single good investment option might not good to us so separating it to top 10 can possibly give us good income stream as a result since for sure once bull run came this coins will also go pump to.

There's no guarantee when investing, even if they're the top 10 ranked coins. The sooner we adopt this mentality, the better. There are quite a few instances of coins dropping down from the top 10, either because they crashed or due to loss of interest. Some examples include Litecoin, which did not crash to zero but was simply outclassed by newer, more advanced coins; XRP, which crashed after a lawsuit, if I'm not mistaken; and Terra, which is now worth almost nothing.

It's pretty safe to conclude that investing is risky. Even if you choose to go with the safest-looking options, the risk is always there.

Also, I'll have to disagree with the OP's statement regarding 10x capabilities by investing in Bitcoin or Ethereum. Nowadays, in order to achieve a 10x from Bitcoin, it'd have to surpass $200.000, which is highly unlikely to happen anytime soon.

to reduce such risk, even if you are investing in top alts, you should also keep up with their updates and not be contented for months or years without checking the progress of the coin. there are some instances like the xrp lawsuit and the terra crash. if you think there is surrounding news towards the coin you are holding, better keep an eye on them and decide which path you will take before you totally lost your investments.

Thanks, and that's a good point. I considered putting aths in there too, like for example what would have happened to your nxt holdings in 28.12.2017 because of ignis airdrop for NXT holders
https://i.imgur.com/ak50yQa.png

...but topic would have got way more complicated then just pure hodling.

Luna terra fits there because i removed stablecoins.

Indeed. Aside from bitcoin, ethereum or possibly more BNB, all other altcoins are not investment advice at this time. If you follow the altcoin market regularly, you will see that there are many big projects under construction such as aptos, sui, quainetwork… these are projects funded by big funds Binance, FTX, Alameda Research ...backing. They will most likely be the next generation replacing existing altcoins in the same way that sol, near, avax have replaced older altcoins. The bear market is one that should only be focused on bitcoin if you are a savvy investor.

Terra Luna crash because it's a failed market. I guess it really depends on how we look at it, could be good tactic for some, or it's just a fallacy that we are made to belief. Regardless, we may have to find only the best 5 coins and yet the result will be the same.

And it just shows that there are risk involved, huge risk that even the top 10 will have a good chance to fail or at least not give us the profits that what we are expecting. So again each one of us should look for strategies that fit us, our initial capital and risk.

There is nothing wrong holding top 10 coins but narrowing it to just 2 coins will lessen the risk of you losing money.
Just invest in Bitcoin and Ethereum.

I mean since the launch of Ethereum, it has been on the top 2 ever since until today (though XRP made to the top 2 in 2016). All of the altcoins from the top 3-10 are either still in the top 3-10 or they are now out of the top 20 or even top 50. Investing in the 2 coins that I said is a safer approach though if you want to be more aggressive, there are some altcoins like XRP, Cardano and even DOGE that you might think to invest your money with.

LUNA? Just forget about that shitcoin already. It is at the top 10 for a year only and Do Kwon became arrogant about it. Now he is facing the consequences :D.

Huge backers and investment firms will give you an edge because those people research a lot and have connections that can cause growth in price, but they make huge mistakes too as only real pros can often see the fundamental system architecture flaws in the crypto project.

While for example Winklevoss brothers and Pantera Capital invested in Luna, they made (at least Pantera (https://www.cnbc.com/2022/05/29/who-got-rich-before-terra-stablecoin-collapsed.html)) huge profits with it before it crashed. But nothing says that they were aware problems in ust design before they invest or when they sold. My guess is that Pantera was just lucky in timing it.

Btw thanks for the list of alts, i'll check them out.

Terra Luna / UST crashed because there were clear design flaws in it. Not because of market:
https://thecryptobasic.com/2022/07/27/ethereum-founding-member-says-terra-luna-and-ust-were-plagued-with-clear-defects/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ayBvY8LnWuY

 

You have already answered your own question. As you can see, if you held the top 10 coins for long term you would have ended up with some very good profit. The only year that performed worst when compared to the previous year, is this year, but as long as you aren't selling and you keep holding and investing, you will be making more profit. Compared to the price a decade ago, you are still in profit. But yeah, you have to keep yourself updated. Look how the top 10 changes a lot with only bitcoin and ethereum which remained unbeaten. This once again proves that all other altcoins are much more riskier to invest when compared to investing in bitcoin or ethereum.

I think diversification is important, so maybe selecting a few of the top 10 coins to add to your portfolio isn't a bad idea.  I personally own 4 of the current top 10 and have owned 6 of them at different points in time.  I also wouldn't restrict yourself to just the top 10 coins.  I would select 1 low market cap coin at least and maybe a couple in the ~20 range.  For example, Namecoin and MATIC are a couple of coins I've selected to hold in my crypto portfolio and while their performance hasn't inspired much as of late, I still believe that you can be pro-Bitcoin and still want crypto diversification.  That being said, an overwhelming majority of my crypto portfolio is BTC.

Thank you for putting it in one. Some of the coins listed brings back memories and it makes you see how profitable investing in the top 10 is than how it is now. Looking for a gem is more difficult as more coins are being created.
This also tells how investment is way risky now that how it was before. As the competition gets broader it's easy to miss other projects that have a future ahead while we are stuck to something that won't even move even for a long-term holding.
Dash is a good example. $2 at 2014, $293 at 2017. Selling it now will still make you profits. It doesn't matter if you miss the ATH.

That goes without saying. You should always keep track of your portfolio, especially when dealing with altcoins. However, it's not always possible to suspect a possible crash. Terra, for instance, crashed throughout the night. I remember going to sleep thinking my UST were just fine, only to wake up with $300 less in value. I would never leave funds on a coin and not thoroughly keep track of its progress.

The only one I feel comfortable doing is with Bitcoin, which has proved its worth throughout the years. Apart from Ethereum, perhaps, I don't think I'd hold any other altcoin without paying attention to the market. Cryptocurrencies are not autopilot, they need persistence, patience and strength in order to survive and earn money through them.

There is no investment that is safe and guarantees a definite profit, the opportunity to lose is always there even if we invest in property, gold or something else, the opportunity to lose is always there, let alone invest in the top 10, and of course we still remember LUNA, before it was destroyed LUNA was ranked 7.

Ranking on certain cryptocurrencies does not guarantee an extraordinary profit for investors, as in the Luna example you mentioned. But Luna's example cannot be taken into other investment matters such as property, gold and others of the same type, because Luna is part of a cryptocurrency that used to exist even though it has now been destroyed. So the Luna example can still be used for other cryptocurrencies with almost similar types so that the path can be very unidirectional in my opinion.

I think no one said it's safe since the risk of losing is always present no matter where do you want to invest your money but with proper knowledge and research of what do you want to invest you may minimize that risk of losing. And also, diversifying might save you some trouble in the future if the market turn sideways you have a backup plan to at least minimize losses.

Luna was one of the example of a hyped coin that is too good to be true and some people didn't experience it in the past but I've seen some of these pump and dump coins that eventually gone and is no good after the whales take their profit.

In order to get benefits from both bitcoin and altcoins, it is better to have a portfolio that contains both bitcoin and altcoins. I usually suggest people to keep 50% of their money in bitcoin but at the same time invest the remaining 50% of their money in altcoins. In this way, you will never be worried as you will benefit from both the bitcoin and altcoins ROI.
Also, when it comes to altcoins, it is better to invest in top altcoins.

I'm not too sure about the top 10, but would probably consider the current top 5. Bitcoin, ETH, and XRP haven't been in the top 5 for years, so I think it would be good to have all three in my portfolio.

I would probably consider some other altcoin like BNB although some would find it a joke. We can't really avoid risk even if it's just bitcoin, but maybe we can minimize the risk. So some of my choices about investment assets are clear, but it's possible the ratings will change as the industry evolves. Everything is risky including bitcoin, so being different doesn't mean you don't have the same goal especially about the return on investment.

Since not everyone would have that huge fund to invest then it would really be that ideal on sticking with the current top 5 ranking coins in the market which its not really that bad to make out diversification
with these options but if you arent really that confident with these options then its better to stick out with Bitcoin but its up to your own choice on which one you would really be choosing.
Good tactics or wise decisions would really be depending on market condition and there's no such about assurance on making profits in the future.
This is why you should always be mindful about risk management thing.

You've been here very early so you know that from actual experience. When I came to crypto late 2016, the top 10 are not anymore in the top 10 today except for Bitcoin and a couple of altcoins perhaps. Ethereum and Ripple are probably there already. If I'm not mistaken Antshares which later on rebranded to Neo was there along with Bitcoin Cash, XEM, Litecoin, Monero, etc. Although these coins are still here and probably still solid, new ones have already replaced them in the high ranks.

Of course the ranking will not guarantee that it will last a long time, when the developer or project tries to manipulate with the aim of seeking its own profit, slowly the investor will know, and sometimes the developer does not focus on the goal so that the project will stop and make prices continue to decline.

I have tried this before, a few years ago and not now, and it failed miserably. It all depends on how the top 10 will do. First of all you should remove all the stablecoisn because they won2t really give you anything, they just stay pegged to dollar. After that, whatever remains as the top 10 is the real top cryptocurrency.

A few years ago we had other coins at top 10, bitcoin and ethereum and bnb was still top 10, xrp too, but that's about it I think, I am not sure but it changed a lot, many of the top 10 coins of that day became lower, some are not even in top 30 right now. This is why it was a bad decision back then, don't know if it would be good now.

Well it’s better to just invest in these top ten coins than to risk your money exploring and hoping for huge profits out from these shitcoins and meme coins. Although investment comes with certain risks, but if you invest in established coins and coins that have proven their utility overtime, then the risk is lessen. So yes, hodling these top 10 coins is good and will ensure us for safer investments.

Surely old all of us are trying how to choose the top altcoin as a long term investment but I am also in a failure so I have to change my portfolio rotation and switch to bitcoin which is the only portfolio so far because for me altcoins will never be like bitcoin which continue to stay all the time is in the top so I think it will be better and the choice to be the only bitcoin.

Whenever the position of altcoins will definitely change, I'm sure someday in the future we will see some of the top 10 altcoins will also be displaced with new coins, so I won't try to vote again except bitcoin.

I guess it doesn't matter which altcoin they choose, it remains our stand that bitcoin is a bright future.

Let me say from my own observation many coins we regards today worldwide, some other people have rejected so many of them, because from initial i known when my friends was having double minded to purchase BNB and saying that BNB is not a good project, but today you can see the progress of BNB, likewise Ethereum during the beginning of it's adoption. So in summary no coins today that have good project we can say it have no value or it will not survived. Because of our personal research and speculations over a particular coin.

It's clear, investment doesn't have to refer to the coin rating because this can trigger a big reaction when one of the factors occurs for example like Luna. Well, in cases like this, many investors have suffered huge losses and it is even suspected that someone committed suicide. so I am pessimistic if I have to choose a coin in the rankings to be made an investment in the long term. I am safer choosing to invest in bitcoin and eth because these two parent coins have a history of promising returns if invested in the long term. if other coins are possible for day trading it is quite good where if the profit has been obtained then it should be immediately sold and you can buy again when the price has dropped again.

holding an asset or coin that has a clear value and very little chance for correction is a wise move, one example is BTC, ETH, USDT and maybe up to 10 other lists. but don't forget other alternative coins, some of which are altcoins, such as BNB although some will consider it a joke. We can't completely avoid risk even if it's just bitcoin, but maybe we can minimize the risk.

So some of my choices about investment assets are obvious, but it's possible that the ratings will change as the industry evolves. Everything is risky including bitcoin, so being different doesn't mean you don't have the same goals especially about return on investment.

and the most important of an investment To be precise, what is called an investment, profit and risk must be proportional to each other there is no investment that only generates profit without risk including gold or real estate, many people still lose money when investing in gold and real estate Not only the tragedy that befell LUNA but bitcoin is still considered a high risk investment so always be responsible when investing.

I always say that the biggest part of our portfolio should be btc, not the others. With your example, if you have 25k dollars then you should have about 10-15k in bitcoin, and maybe 7-8k in eth and bnb. When you covered about 20k or more like that with these three, then the rest could be whatever and it wouldn't matter.

Because, even if what you invested goes to zero, these three will go up eventually to cover the loss and make you a lot of profit. I know that it's sad to lose money with the risky stuff too, you wanted them to go up, but at the very least you have something you could invest into and make money from. That's a lot smarter decision.

BTC is a safe choice when investing in crypto than altcoins. This is what I did also, 60% of my portfolio is Bitcoin while 40% is spread to a few altcoins and it changes depending on the market condition. Currently holding 4 diffirent coins and I think it was good enough during this bear season. Not really I see it was a perfect idea but at least I was safe from losing my money because I believe that these coins I hold are known for it sustainability since it also survive from the previous market crash.

Hodl is the key to crypto but the question remains what type of token are you holdling in your portfolio? Are you trusting and believing that the top coins will keep being at the top for so long? That's impossible, CMC altcoins ranking can change anytime in favour or out of favour to a top coin you assumed it won't fall below or rise. Let's use luna as a case study. Over the years it was one of the top coins but where is it today?

Investing in top coins apart from bitcoin, Ethereum, bnb, and Xrp doesn't guarantee a long time profits. Let's be guided when choosing a top coin to invest

There's no such thing about being safe because we know that this crypto space isnt something that could give out guarantees on making profits in the long run.Even if we do speak about bitcoin or choosing it which it

wont really be giving out that kind of assurance that the money we had invested or put up will bear up some markets.Choosing about top 10 coins in the market and make a holding for long time.

Then i cant really tell if it would be resulting into positive or not but since we are on bear market as of this moment then its safe to say that
it is likely we could really see some recovery which would resulted out on bigger profits.

Looking at the history of the bear market today is certainly less scary than when crypto was less popular. Currently crypto is getting more attention from the public and many new users are starting to log in.

buying and holding the current top 10 coins can be a good choice and wait for the recovery to occur.
But remember that doing research first is very important before deciding to invest.

if we look at the history of LUNA, of course, we will be interested in the beginning and in the end, LUNA crashes and harms many people. That is an unexpected risk to the crypto market. must be prepared for all the risks that occur. The top 10 coins that are my pick right now are of course Bitcoin, Ethereum, BNB, XRP, and SOLANA, then DOGE for long-term meme coins.

Currently, some altcoin recovery is starting to happen and the bitcoin price has been able to go above $20k, if this continues I hope a bull market will occur.
Wait and see and hold what you are holding right now, Do a DCA with the remaining spare money, it will save your portfolio.

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Taking a look back at the history and the top coins of the past years, it can be said that only bitcoin and ethereum are the two coins that have stayed in place throughout the years, the rest are constantly changing. In recent years, bnb is known as a product of binance, so it can be said that these are the 3 safest coins today. As for the rest of the top coins, I don't see anything guaranteed.

We should remember the market is growing, new and better altcoins are also being created so there is no guarantee that top coins like sol, avax, near, ada will not be superseded. For me 10 topcoins is not the best choice, if long-term investment should only invest in BTC, if you want to invest in altcoins, you should wait until the bull market will appear many potential altcoins.

I think it is better to call "Safe Tactic" than Good one , because we have different meaning of Good but the safer one is single and that is for you not to lose literally ,because the volatility of market is always the way to make us lose or in.
I think it is diversifying ? because this has been a best strategy I use for long time now and still doing now.

I agree. Many investors of LUNA didn't see it coming, I even have a friend who invest huge money to end up losing it all. It just shows that even you chose to invest in popular coins, there's no assurance at all since we don't know what lies ahead. Just a reminder for all investors to not have high hopes since investing is associated with risk.

If early investors stick to these coins from the start then they made the right decision. Seeing how the price and popularity of these coins improved and still remain on top even the market is not in bull season, is an indication that it's a good choice if you're considering to invest in top coins. Nevertheless we should not invest blindly to any coins, DYOR is still necessary.

We must understand that investing in cryptocurrencies is very risky, the type of investor who fails and loses is always thinking profit, usually they are tempted to sell assets to invest and after a few days or months the price decreases then they panic and sell immediately for fear of losing all the money.

Are there people who invest not thinking about profit? Because everyone who invests is certain because they expect profit, even though it is basically uncertain how much profit the investor will get. And he early last year I only saw an increase in the market, not a decline because last year was the year of the best increase ever in the history of cryptocurrency.

I would agree more if you said that the price decline was when entering the beginning of this year until now because this year I have always seen a greater percentage decrease than the percentage increase for cryptocurrencies. And if there is an increase, it's only in very small amounts.

Hope this will continue to happen , I am positive about the market since this happens before the October ends and till now as the week of November near to end so indeed that we might see some good movement in the following weeks or at least month.

altcoin will move if Bitcoin continues to grow as 20k is now heading up.

risky but profitable , so better to get this into your pocket and advantage the situation .

Buy and Hold , that is better.

There is no perfect tactic, if we think that holding top 10 ranking is the best thing then we have to think that the opportunity to fall is possible, but as an investor the most important thing is to understand the risk so that you don't cry when you see an asset drop.

There's a point where you want to minimize your risk and just avoid losing any money instead of making it.
But i don't think that limit is $25k or even near it. Unless you live in a really cheap country, 25k won't take you anywhere with low risk investments. And while nothing is risk free, your only change to get rich is to embrace the risk and be bold.

Some coins change in terms of positioning but as the year passes by, a couple of coins have maintained their positions very well, I think that's because people figured out that they are worthy to buy and hodl for long term and most new projects nowadays are not that good as before. Not only bitcoin but xrp is also a coin that never gets out of the top 10 if we will check the top 10 ranks for 10 years.

Ltc is also close to that. I'd say close because it only stayed on the top 10 ranks for 9 years straight and unfortunately it got removed in the year of 2021 up until this date but I still feel that the demand for ltc is still high. Many people still consider this coin as the best altcoin.

All forms of investment have a level of risk, when we start to involve ourselves in investing, we consciously admit that the risk exists, but sometimes people understand how to minimize the level of risk that will be caused.

That's why it's important to hold onto coins that have a limit in the market, or are at least historically strong. For example Bitcoin, why are people not afraid to enter the bitcoin market, because historically bitcoin has been able to bring ATH or its journey a big impact on the investments people make as a whole, although we cannot avoid corrections, speculatives and fluctuations that occur.
The comfort zone is not intended for people who like investing, considering that all forms of investment have different levels of risk, including crypto and bitcoin in particular.

For high returns on investment your best bet is to target coins outside the top 100 or if you you want to play it safe target those outside the top 50 and see your returns grow... Going for the top 10 is an easy way to fall into manipulation traps as this is were everyone is sharks, whales, banks, hodlers etc... FYI year in year out altcoins have always produced better ROI than BTC is just a matter of finding the right coins.

Even if you invest and hold bitcoin alone, expect that there are times that it’s price will eventually drop again due to its high volatility. So there’s no perfect investments or tactics to follow, everything comes with risk. But as long as you never invested and hold for long those shitcoins and meme coins, I guess your investments will be safe and will eventually made you profits in the end.

I think the risk is always there even though we are holding top 10, if we look at Top Ranking 10 then many will change both monthly especially annually, and of course we still remember that Luna is a coin that is ranked 7th and is destroyed in a few days.

Then you would need to define shitcoin/meme coin. Because i am pretty sure top marketcap isn't defining them. In fact there could be ton of better blockchain solutions that i am not aware of that aren't getting any developers as those developers often go with the market and choose the money flow instead.


I wasn't talking about limit in tokenomics, but i could make a ton of arguments on the subject of bitcoin being historically strong and this could need a whole another topic and i am not the one having enough inside to write about it.

I could talk about psychological side of markets, PoW biased propaganda for and against of PoW, AML laws etc, but i might do topic for that later. I would need to consult actual experts when even scratching the tech side of it.

Let's just say that BTC is not out of the woods yet and there are ton of pitfalls that could stop the road to the moon. The argument of pure decentralization as defence is fascinating, but somehow overly mystified imho.

Gold is certainly an investment that will continue to grow and value, this is because Gold is always the first choice in investment, gold is never forgotten and is always discussed by people, more than 7 billion people in the world can receive gold and I'm sure the price of gold will continue to grow.

Gold might have real world use cases as an useful material, but argument of gold being first choice because of that and scarcity doesn't hold water after we start mining from asteroids. And this is not science fiction anymore: Nasa's Psyche mission (https://www.jpl.nasa.gov/missions/psyche)

When you flood the markets with gold, it would drop the value so much it would absolutely crush the gold investors.

I am not saying that we could depend just on scarcity either to back up value but it helps, there are many factors that need to be available like stability of working infrastructure to keep values stable.

OK, now I understand what you mean.
and maybe this isn't a topic you specifically address for Bitcoin, but I think this topic is quite interesting.

So I have to wait patiently for the next discussion, even though I want to convey the other side of market psychology and PoW propaganda.
What I know is that PoW has existed long before bitcoin, this concept was re-applied by Satoshi to prevent counterfeiting of the use of assets, because this is considered very important to protect, for example spending the same asset more than once.

Although gladly assume that. However, my instincts still say no. Because BTC is the path to the community that I have built until now, even though they are not directly involved and know exactly what BTC is?
Confusion is anonymous, it's not actually formed but we know it.

You are right that top 10 coins are not consistent and there are chances that some new coins may enter in top 10 while some of the coin which were at top positions in previous bull run, may not be known in the next bull run. An example of such a coin is EOS.

Anyways still it is safer to invest in top 10 coins as they have a lot of liquidity and if you are clever enough you may sell those coins a a profit. Of course, you can keep Ethereum and bitcoin forever and still these two will remain at top 2 positions for a long time. No coin can replace bitcoin and at present, there is no coin which can compete Ethereum.

One thing I can see is BTC, ETH, LTC is some consistent performer from cryptocurrencies. BTC is still holding it's top position when other coins lose their position over time to other coins. It's obvious to tell where we should go but still, I want to play some risk with my funds too. So most of it should be on BTC, and a small portion of funds should be for speculation for other hyped projects from the market.

All investments will definitely be associated with risk and each investment has a different level of risk. In crypto, the risk is greater because the market volatility is quite high. Popular coins will be trash if they are not managed properly by the developers, such as LUNA, which of course does not pay like it is today.

BTC and ETH in my opinion are enough, LTC is not in great demand at the moment. Diversifying into several coins would be very good, with BTC being the main investment and a small part in altcoins that have good potential in the future. You have to be smart in managing your portfolio, and enter and exit correctly, so you don't get trapped in altcoins that will become useless trash.

It is definitely not science fiction at all. It is something that is "possible" but it won't be that easy to do. We may not really benefit from it because by the time they actually start mining them and bringing the gold back to earth, we will already be quite old. It is something that our children and their children will benefit from for sure. However, one thing that we are still having trouble with is food and water.

The whole world is paying a good chunk of their income to food and maybe that’s not a problem in big nations, but as you can see from Latin America, some parts of Asia, a whole big part of Africa, the basic human needs are not met in some places, so you can have as much gold as you want, but we first need food and clean water all around the world.

We do share the same goal in the end, that is to make a huge ROI but that won’t happen if we never stick to the prominent coins in the market and definitely hold them for years. For me, even bitcoin alone hodling a huge amount in the portfolio is good enough, but since we can always maximize the profits by diversifying so at least I have bitcoin, ethereum, and XRP for long term hodling, that made my investments.

Came back to visit and see how that 2022 portfolio is doing in the middle of this market chaos.

https://i.imgur.com/3CIykhh.jpg (https://www.cryptocompare.com/portfolio-public/?id=605715)

I am not that surprised about doge to be honest, it seems to always peak before the altcoin season and at some point i guess, the #altcoinseason starts.

Lately i've been thinking i should buy matic, as now when i have used it i find it handy to use. Or maybe i've been influenced to buy it as i see influencers mentioning it a lot, i am not sure. But i am surprised that it has survived that well. I was kinda hoping it would drop more before me buying it. But i guess i'll be just rushing in buying it now.

Bitcoin and eth haven't done that well but it could be way worse and we have to remember it's just few days since things started falling a part in ftx and ftx seem to have dumped everything they had.

XRP i don't personally like and BNB has some decent pr that they gained with that with a power move. I wish that CZ hasn't said anything but things would have just broken slower.

As investors we must always think that all investments have risks that are in line with profit opportunities, top 10 holdings of course have the potential to lose, if someone says it will definitely profit then we must be logical that any investment always has the potential to lose, and this week it was proven that market drop of more than 20%.

Considering past developments is not always a good indicator for future events.
We have a totally different economic and political situation.
I don't think that blindly investing in the top 10 is a "good" strategy.
I think it would be profitable at this point in time, but given that there are much better options I don't consider
it a good tactic.

Development is a positive word so why not? But, it's all about consistency. Others are only good at the start and eventually they can't sustain their momentum so let's make it a practice to be observant and don't put all your trust in each projects that you invest except only for bitcoin I guess?

If you notice some strange activity on the coin that you hold then it will be better to drop them as early as possible. They are not the only coin here but there might be better coins out there which are more worthy with our money. Yes, people shouldn't use top 10 as a benchmark when investing because not all of it are genuinely good but some only climb the ranks because of the trend.

If i'm going to playsafe a bit, i'll go with btc and eth only. But then if I want a higher reward, I will take a higher risk and go with those coins from top 3 and so on. Aside from btc and eth, I don't personally like other altcoins before but last year made me think of going trx, xrp, and doge. I think i'll go with doge first, i've been wanting to hodl it since the hype of Elon and since I guess the hype is over, i'm gonna target it this year.

With having a limited funds then i would only choose up 1-3 coins which would be including Btc and Eth automatically inside my portfolio but if you do have that lots of capital or something you could invest on then

it isnt really bad to bag off the current top #10 ranking coins in the market which it might be resulting into much better profits on the time that the market would be making out some bull runs but
you should really make yourself believe nor being sure that it would happen.No one would be able to point out on what would happen in future years to come. If you do see that this one would be a good tactive
then its up to yours whether you would be taking such action or not.Just make it sure that you are really be able to bare up with the risk for whatever decisions you would be taking.

As we can see by OP's post, it's really risky to invest in top 10 cryptocurrencies, with bitcoin and one or another exception, because along the years the top 10 changes constantly, and some cryptocurrencies which were at the top simply melt. By looking previous years' top 10s, I don't even know what some of those altcoins there are. So why to risk so much on them, while we have a safe bet on the top all these years, that is bitcoin? For me that is the most reasonable decision to take. There is no reason to be greedier, since the profits bitcoin can generate us are already pretty considerable, surpassing the potential of any other investment category outside crypto industry.

I see this thread has a positive side and can be used as a reference for newbies who are still confused about finding the right coin to invest in. The table from 2013 to 2021 shows Bitcoin as the top choice. Now that the 2023 calendar has started running, the bitcoin price is expected to increase in the new year source (https://www.cnbc.com/2022/12/05/tim-draper-predicts-bitcoin-will-reach-250000-despite-ftx-collapse.html).
This is not investment advice, regardless of any positive issues or events that occur in 2023 that may increase the price of bitcoin, personal research is required in making investment choices.

yet the concept stands as we must not put our funds in single coin (even if it is bitcoin) there are altcoins that has good rewards also if we are willing to hold semi long term so If i am to decide? I will store 60-80% in bitcoin and spread those 20-40% into other altcoins.

buy and hold while having some short terms this is how we must do in crypto investments .

Conditions like this are a little difficult to see a safe point in the Top 10 Altcoins, but we confirm that Ethereum is a safe Investment position, so far we have only consistently adhered to Bitcoin, Ethereum and Bnb, in our opinion these three are the safest points for times of declining market conditions , and if you have limited funds for security we prefer to stay in Bitcoin, and vice versa if there are sufficient funds and want to invest you can implement as we suggest above, (Bitcoin, Ethereum and BNB).

The advice you offer is good, but of the nine altcoins that are currently the best ranked, I still prefer the five altcoins that are in the top ten. Among them are Ripple, Matic, Cardano and two more are the ones you mentioned. Those are my preferences around altcoins, because I always put Bitcoin on a different level than altcoins so I separate them and don't put them in the altcoin group. Because Bitcoin was the first coin I had to look at and choose before I looked at some of the other altcoins.

I remember seeing an article about some dude who put $5 in every single coin listed on Binance. It was some years ago & I can’t find the article now but he made a lot of money after being patient for a few years.

As it was a while ago I don’t know if this would be a good idea now as there are a lot more shitcoins than there once were.

The current top 10 consists of 30% of stables. If we don't consider ETH or BTC, that leaves only five coins that have a very large capitalization. It seems to me that if you want to get more profits, you better choose coins with smaller capitalization than top 10. For example XMR or Aptos. The main thing is that the project should be reliable, and when it starts to grow, it will grow with the others.

BNB safe but not the safest, we have to stay alert to any bad possibilities like what happened to the FTX exchange. Maybe now we don't see anything weird about CZ just like before the FTX crash we didn't see anything weird about SBF.
Of the top 10 coins in CMC, the safest Bitcoin and the second ETH, the rest are very likely to suddenly go down a lot and if you want to invest in the top 10 coins in CMC, I will prefer mid term and long term on BTC only.

I sort of tried something like this years ago. Much smaller sample, though, as I probably just bought about 20/30 coins. All sizable trading volume back then.

They almost all made a lot of money in 2017 but I kept the experiment going and they are almost all dead or close to death.

In the end, Bitcoin and somewhat Ethereum worked out best.

Timebound strategy, this I guess.

Your statement is absolutely true. When I was dreaming and preparing my self for purchasing Solana at that moment Solana and FTX get down. I never imagined that two coins could be face such situation. Looking at the current market picture, I agree with you that there is no alternative to investing in Bitcoin and Ether. Every time the market turns from bearish to bullish, some altcoins will get down from the top position to bottom. I think one should not invest outside of these two to minimize risk. If one invests in Aptos and APE Coin with risk then have the possibility to get good return in the bullish market.

I wouldn't update the portfolio other than for BTC, Ether and BNB, not except just the three altcoins already mentioned. Altcoins are not guaranteed to recover when the market is bullish because many holders have changed their investment in Bitcoin during the current low, so I think many holders have the opportunity to recover losses to switch investments in the top 3 coins, because holding altcoins is not a guarantee for the future and In fact many altcoins have the worst rating in CMC since the bearish market, those altcoins are not worth holding for the future.

I too completely agree that, investing in Bitcoins or Ethereum are very much safe. It’s considered as long term investment. If you invest in these coins then ultimately you minimise the risk of losses. As op mentioned, top 10 coins will be great, as their marketcap is more, which means the popularity of the coin is really great. This have equal chances to grow or fall and therefore comes with high risk and high returns. So at last we see both types of coins and investments. What suits the best, definitely we will go for that.

I don't think this is a financial advice from op but rather doing some comparison btw those top altcoin which you may likely picked interest to make investment, it's best known to anyone chosen or picking out any of those coin to invest.
As always said, they should be able to invest what they could afford and bear to lose, moreover its a portfolio.

If i were anyone chosen any of these coin to invest the best option would been bitcoin, reliable and trusted.

Even BNB is too dangerous right now, while a great deal of what we have herd about binance is FUD we cannot discard the possibility the exchange could collapse at some point in time, and if that were to happen it will affect the market in a massive way, with their coin being the most affected, so if someone wants to invest in BNB they can do it but in my opinion they need to wait until the bull market comes so they can minimize this risk as much as possible.

Bitcoin would be always the best choice and it had proven out for how many years on staying up on the top spot for a decade+ which does signify on how much people on the market do trust up this project.
Holding up coins which are inside on top 10 on marketcap is a good idea since everything is really cheap or simply on sale if we do consider out on looking on how deep these coins had fallen
from their ATH but just like the rest been saying that you should anticipate much because nothing is guaranteed and nothing is assured that they cant really be replaced by
something new and this should really be in your main considerations.

I wouldn't say that it is a good tactic, but it is not worse than some other things I have seen before neither. If we remove all the stablecoins, and use all the remainder as top 10, then it should be a good enough tactic compared to most other people.

I understand that not many people could do it because there will be periods when they will drop out of top 10, many coins dropped out of top 10 so far but they still went up during bull market so it wouldn't be "too bad", still not good enough of course, because they won't be the best profit makers. However, considering people who invest into shitcoins and memetokens then it looks like it is even better than expected.

There has been BNB fud since the start of the Binance. Just like with USDT had fud from the start of Tether. Both of them are targeted to fud because unlike lot of altcoins they have one point of failure. And if that breaks down, it would be the end of them.

I am not buying the binance fud but i am aware there's always danger of CEX:es messing something up.
And IF binance falls, it doesn't really matter if you are holding some other altcoins, because if you don't have everything in fiat cash by then, you will be rekt.

Yes, if we compare bitcoin returns with other financial markets, bitcoin is still the best return, but people want more, and altcoin is their choice.
Personally, I don't hate investing in altcoins but make sure that the bitcoins in your portfolio make up the majority and only a small part of your investment in altcoins.

For me, top altcoins or new altcoins are equally risky, if you invest in altcoins, invest with research instead of just picking top coins, there is no guarantee that top altcoins top will bring profit to you.

For me, it was not just a good tactic but I see the safety of having them, especially during the bear season.
In fact, many people diversify their portfolios, selling their altcoins, and then buying Bitcoin. It was an indication that only Bitcoin can be trusted in the most difficult time.
If we just aim for long-term investment, having Bitcoin and ETH is really a good choice. Besides, they are the known projects that consistently recover and pump during the bull season. Therefore, we have nothing to do but just wait for the perfect time to sell them, unlike with the shitcoins/meme coins where the risk is too high.

Just realize that what we are trying to do with top 10 is not something that is long term because it's not a company or anything. A coin in top 10 could always end up with zero at any moment, doesn't mean that it will happen but it is a possibility. Look at Luna, don't know if it was in top 10 but it was huge, definitely in top 20 and what happened? It dropped to near zero levels because of a problem. And any coin in top 10 could be like that as well.

Aside from bitcoin and ethereum of course, possibly bnb as well. This means that there aren't that many coins out there, even in top 10, which you can buy and hold forever, it won't work, you have to constantly be checking for the best ones.

Basically, if you're into long term holding, major coins (top cryptocurrencies on exchangers) would be the best option because they have established enough community to sustain market demand and market price at certain points which makes them less volatile in comparison with the new cryptocurrencies in this industry. But if you are into short term holding, newly released tokens from projects which has huge potential, is a good idea as well because they are having higher rate of increase which means they could generate more profit.
Long term holding does not mean you'd hold it forever. Just how you percieve the word 'long'. If it is a year holding, then that would make sense to be called long term if most of the time you are trading tokens.

I saw a future in Solana Coin but it was a complete miss take. I started future trading with this Solana coin when the market was completely dumping. I thought the coin market would go up.  But it backfired and I have enough losses from here till now. In fact, one thing I understood very well from here is that you should never do future trading with risky coins. But Bitcoin is the best for investing and trading. Once ALT coin goes down it is very difficult to recover. I am very worried if I can recover from here. But I want your advice whether I can recover from here or cancel my order with loss.
https://i.imgur.com/Z5orcTc.jpg

Well, of the top highest marketcap coins btc, eth, usdt, bnb, usdc, xrp, busd, ada, doge, and matic, I can say I am a holder of 7 of them. The only ones I do not have are usdc, busd, and matic.
So yes I think it is a good tactic to have as many top 10 of them as you can. I think most people will invest in those coins with highest marketcap since other people have invested more then 710 billion dollars in them already!

We are still in a bear market and we still don't know if the remaining top altcoins will keep their position, Solana and FTT are out I believe but that doesn't mean you can't make profits off them but I can bet that new altcoins will take over top 20 incoming bull market, it always happens in every bull market.

For me I prefer looking for the new gems that can take over top 10 to top 20 in the future, crypto is not perfect yet and something better will always come up to take the lead over the old projects.

That's the problem with this calculation. First of all, back in the day we didn't had stablecoins, so if you hold them there are two possibilities, either they will worth what they worth today in 10 years (not same value but same price) or they will be zero, no middle ground. If you take those out, rest of them are in a bear market right now and make no sense at all.

I mean you could trust the top 10 and buy them all and hope that there is a bull run and they all go up, but that doesn't mean that ALL top 10 will go up, some of them may crash a bit, or not go up as much as the others and drop. This is why calculating it right now will not give any good results at all, we need time.

Of course the top 10 coins won't go up all at once, but as long as you do it long term and patiently wait for the few coins that haven't gone up. And it's all just a matter of time, at least you benefit from the initial price you buy.
as each coin you own will have a different return, some go up significantly and some get stuck halfway due to some unpredictable factors. And the most important thing is that you can do a good analysis and also choose the right coin and profit when the market is bullish. And it also depends on how much capital you invest in each coin, especially in some of the coins that actually give you very satisfying returns.

Only the best ones would  really be able to survive this bear market and on the time that bulls would take place then for sure there are some coins which arent on top 10 rankings would really be placing
up theirselves on the top.These situations arent something new and we've seen these things particular on every bull run that would happen.

Good tactic we do say? its not guaranteed and its not something that can be known but it isnt really that a bad idea on hoarding up some top 10 ranking coins
which whether these coins or projects would really be making up some good increase if there would be some change of trend.

Well i wouldn't go that far, or if it's true, we don't know what metrics would be used to measure the "best ones". World is full of Edison beats Tesla and VHS beats Betamax -cases.
I don't believe that good ones would die because as those will always have community and builders, but sadly inferior copycats who cut corners and sacrifice decentralization for speed could have more adoption.

it is undeniable that looking for new gems is everyone's desire to be able to take big profits but it is not an easy thing and full of risks.
This is indeed still in a bear market but that is precisely where the right time is to enter because we do not know what will happen in the future, all possibilities are still possible.

I think the terraced coins have a greater probability of surviving and also growing, so I think collecting terantas coins is a good tactic to take profits when we get out of a bear market and it is a safe thing to reduce the risk of having to look for new gems that can replace or beat the top coins coins.

The tendency of people to choose gems
in an investment is very limited to the few that are available, because representatives of some others cannot survive under certain conditions, even if they are in the top 10 of coinmarketcap. I prefer bitcoin as a long-term storage asset, as it has proven to be able to retain investment value, whereas Ethereum and BNB are only used under certain conditions to make a profit.

Everyone has their own pattern in choosing coins with large market capitalization, the goal is to get the maximum return when investment power is at the planned stage, the selection of certain coins can also vary and according to individual beliefs and tastes, but already it's becoming a habit for people to take references based on coinmarketcap's top 10 and I think that's a good tactic to use, as long as we've done a small analysis of the coins we want to invest in.

Bitcoin is one of the best coins ever, so investing 70% in bitcoin is the best way to maximize it, while the other 30% can be chosen according to individual tastes with various considerations of previous analysis.

Even just looking at them I think this is still a bit of a disadvantage especially as we know that in the current 10 rankings 3 of them are stablecoins and 1 is a coin which in my opinion is completely unfit to hold onto (doge coin) so indeed we cannot be so sure even if it is Top 10 for now.
But indeed DYOR must also know that the risk of being in alt is far greater than actual bitcoin. As long as we are aware of that I think we know the consequences we will face.

Set aside those stable coin but rather look at those coin which listed at good ranking since they move according on how bitcoin condition. Maybe we can say its safe than those shitcoins since we all know that top coins can have price recover when it dump while shitcoins doesn't give any assurance since most of them died totally when bear market happen.

When we talk about Shitcoin I think not only you and I but everyone will definitely agree with this because when talking about conditions like that the odds are going to be ambiguous and of course the coin is the choice.
But on the other hand, I think if you really want to take risks with the pump and dump, you can still do it, although in this case I'm not too brave to do that because I prefer something that is more certain. Even though in this case not everything is certain in talking about altcoins, the choice is clear bitcoin, altcoins for ratings and real projects and putting aside shitcoins which actually will actually self-destruct.

I believe quite a lot of investors have diversified their assets with the current top altcoin. I don't agree with meme coin, but maybe it's okay if they can take the risk. Top 10 altcoin worth considering instead of just bitcoin in the portfolio, because basically everything is only possible to move when bitcoin moves.

I will probably monitor and analyze some of the best altcoin, but definitely not more than the top 5. Of course for the amount you can afford to lose.

You say you are wary of investing in cryptocurrencies and see the risks of doing so. It seems to me that if you invest in top coins and are willing to wait a long time, then you have nothing to worry about. Some projects will give you the opportunity to earn much more than bitcoin.

During every bull market, new coins take over the top positions in the crypto market. That means that the coins that are now in the top position, except for Bitcoin, Ethereum, cannot expect more from the rest of the coins. Your strategy is good but finding future top coins of crypto market is difficult. Because a lot of projects come into the crypto market every day and most of them don't end well. So if you are interested in investing in new projects, then you must divide the funds properly into several projects.

Well, a lot of the answers regarding how to invest, and the extent to which any diversification is necessary or warranted or that any reliance on a top 10 list would also justify diversifying the amount that you have to invest may well have to do with a variety of factors that involve from where you are starting in terms of how much capital that you have to invest, what are your already existing investments (if any) and what is your cashflow.

It seems to me that when you are brand new to investing, then it may well be best to start to build your investment portfolio with a small number of investments, prior to diversifying out, so in that sense there are needs to figure out which assets you are going to invest into and then to begin to potentially diversify out as your investment portfolio starts to grow.. perhaps you might not even diversify out further than having dollars and bitcoin until your investment portfolio becomes greater than something like $10k.. and for some people the amount might need to be higher before there is comfort diversifying out.

Let's say, for example, that a person has an annual income of $24k, and if the person figures out that s/he can invest 10% of that income into various investments, then we can calculate out that if the investment does not grow beyond merely putting in 10% per year, then it is going to take 10 years to build the investment portfolio up to 1 year's worth of income.  So, sure there are desires to accelerate that process and to cause your investment portfolio to grow faster, especially since it might take 20-30x your annual income to really feel like you have reached something like fuck you status, if that happens to be amongst your goals.

So, yeah, it has already been mentioned several times in this thread that there is a kind of need to account for risk, and there should be goals of building your investment portfolio without losing principle, and if you are already starting with a investment portfolio that might be near one year's worth of salary, then you might feel that it is o.k. to spread that out a bit, yet the idea of diversification does not really make a whole hell of a lot of sense when it comes to diversification within the same field or within similar kinds of asset classes, and so usually diversification is going to apply into differing kinds of asset classes rather within the same field.. and anyone with any kind of meaningful ability to assess the "crypto" space, should be able to clearly recognize and appreciate that bitcoin is the leader and most if not all of the other cryptos (shitcoins) are actually correlated and dependent upon bitcoin's performance, so largely to invest into shitcoins, you are largely just adding risk onto an already risky investment (bitcoin is a more risky investment than a variety of other investment classes.. but at the same time, bitcoin may well be amongst the best, if not the best asymmetric bet that is actually available.. so why fuck around with diversifying it and diluting your investment into it?  by investing into shitcoins?  or at least why invest more than maybe 10% or maybe 20% if you happen to be a kind of degenerate gambler of your crypto portfolio into shitcoins (meaning 90% should be in bitcoin and maybe only 80% if you happen to be a degenerate gambler.. hahahahahaa)....

The mere fact that there are coins in a top 10 list does not create any kind of investment case for them, unless you study why they might be adding any value beyond what bitcoin is adding and maybe studying to make sure that you actually understand what bitcoin is actually providing and why it is such a strong and great asymmetric bet.  Look at some shit like ethereum and try to figure out if it is adding anything beyond possible short-term pumpamentals?.. yes, sure some of the coins and the projects (and even considering BNB like a kind of utility coin that is attached to the exchange) may well have abilities to short-term out perform bitcoin.. but how much of your overall crypto investment portfolio you going to put into it?  Versus perhaps diversifying into equities, bonds, property and perhaps commodities - order to potentially off-set some of the volatility of your bitcoin investment as it will likely get larger with the passage of time, and sure if you are new to investing then you might feel that you can be a bit more risky since you have time to make it up if you lose out, but if you realize that it could take you 10 years to build your investment up to 1 years worth of salary, then you might want to consider how much money are you trying to build up such investment portfolio in order that potentially you would have the option to work or to choose the kind of work that you do rather than being dependent upon work in order to provide for you monthly expenses.

Even on some platforms, like CoinMarketCap or Coingecko, they can decide which coin to promote to the top 10 and which coin not to. More specifically, in Coin Gecko, when a friend of mine was working as a telegram moderator for a project last year, he told me he received a lot of DMs on Telgram from users asking him to pay them so they could promote their coin to become a top 10 coin on their platform, which is Coin Gecko and some other platform I can't remember. They even asked him to mention coins that he wished to see in the top 10, so they could add them and prove to him that they were real. He mentioned two coins, and they got promoted to rank in the top 10 coin markets.

So what I am trying to say is that even someone who is unlucky can get involved with some shady projects that only paid to be pushed to rank in the top 10, meaning that the person that invested in some of the shitcoins is not guaranteed a profit because not all of those coins can withstand the test of time and not even most of those projects have good intentions for their investors funds. One can be lucky with some of the projects, but there is no guarantee.

Someone who is only relying on investing in the top 10 market-cap coins may be disappointed unless they get more profit from Bitcoin. But with the current price of Bitcoin, investing just $100 and waiting for some years would not make a huge profit because the fund is small.

Rating manipulation? How could it be true but maybe. I can compare the two coin ratings between Coingecko and Coin Market Cap, they have different coin ratings. But so far, I'm inclined to think that the Coin Market Cap reputation is much better than Coingecko's.


You are right, coin ratings may still be manipulated between coin rating sites.
Some sites don't care about reputation so they just want to make money. While some others really care about their reputation and the accuracy of their ratings.

But anyway, I think some of the top and well-known coins in the top ranking are still very good to consider, but of course they have to make their own analysis before investing. Trading volume, market capitalization and several other things must be considered before they invest. So choosing investment assets is not only done because of the coin ranking, but must be done because of analysis.

No offence, but I don't believe a word of this. Both those websites determine the Top 10 based on total market cap, which is currently based on "verified" circulating supply x price, nothing else. The only advantage would be getting these types of platforms to "recognise" a circulating supply that isn't true, but even that wouldn't launch you into the Top 10. Maybe Top 100 at best, from a previously unrecognised market cap.

Unless you specify any particular coins that were once in the Top 10 that didn't have a true circulating supply? Maybe HEX would be the closest to this, but it soon got re-calculated as much lower.

Also to point out is that out of the 23K coins listed on coinmarketcap for example, only around 2600 actually have a registered (verfiable) market cap. If you look at P27 for example (https://coinmarketcap.com/?page=27), the market caps drop to $0. So when discussing the overall total market cap of cryptos, it's not cacluated by the 23,000+ that exist, but only the 2600 that have a registered criculating supply. Just thought I'd trough that fact into the mix as many assume the total market cap is calculated by all cryptos, whereas it's only around 11%. Obviously these market caps don't acknowledge available liquidity, but otherwise they are relatively reliable to compare different shitcoins.

As per the point of the topic and OP, I don't think generally holding Top 10 coins is a good investment strategy. Sure it had some value years ago when there was only 200 or 2,000 coins, but now there are 20,000+ coins, and the Top 10 changes on a yearly basis, it's become increasingly unreliable. If anything a better strategy is to invest very small amounts of those in the Top 20 or Top 50, then sell them when they reach Top 10.

It's not a strategy I'd exactly recommend either, but indirectly I realise that my best short-term investments were in coins in the Top 50/100, and I was taking profits all the way until they reached the Top 10. After that, they generally underperformed the market (especially Bitcoin) and weren't worth holding anymore. That's just my personal experience, whereas I'm sure otherwise have found holding Top 10 coins to be useful.

Yep... Generally there is a need to be a bit more active and interactive, and personally I like the idea of buying BTC every week until you get to a kind of accumulation (or an investment target level that is comfortable for you), and sure if you could buy $100 per week that would be good, but surely some folks might not be able to buy that much and may even have to resort to buying $10 or less per week - because of their cashflow shortage issues and even the level of their expenses or other possible complications in their lives... so if some folks are not even able to invest $10 per week, then maybe they would need to resort to $10 per month.. or something like that.

So another concern would be trying to figure out what kind of a target investment level would be appropriate for the circumstances of the person.. and so those kinds of serious investing and holding only applies to bitcoin, you cannot be fucking around in any kind of wrong belief that you can rest assured holding various shitcoins for long periods of time..  so any amount of value that is put into shitcoins is going to need to be monitored on a regular basis in terms of considering at what point to exit and to either get into dollars or to divert that investment into bitcoin (in the event that your bitcoin investment is below your targeted amount.. whether you choose to target 1% to 25% of your investment portfolio to be in bitcoin or some other amount that you believe to be appropriate for your own circumstances).

Holding top 10 marketcap coins a good tactic, because market cap is one of the basis that we can say that the coin is good for holding the market cap of the coins describes what kinds of coin we invest or how popular it is, good altcoins like eth an bnb has a high market cap and they are popular means they are legit and good to buy and hold.

Investing strategies differ profoundly from person to person, although characterization depends on options such as initial capital and risk tolerance. Some prefer day trading, focusing on quick gains rather than dealing with the big picture, while others prefer long-term strategy and hold assets for months or even years before taking profits.

For this reason, if you are thinking of long-term investment and your investment amount is moderate, it may make sense to choose the top 10 marketcap cryptocurrencies, but it should be remembered that researching the coins with the potential should be your first priority. In other words, it is necessary to do fundamental analysis in the crypto currency selection process.

I don't know how all the whole rating of coins work but I was wondering about those coins that are been pumped and dumped temporary by big whales of the crypto world. Just like elon musk has been doing with some shitcoins which could be very effective in terms of ratings but it would be false as its been altered by some individual.

in such cases, you need to closely follow those coins if you do want to invest in those projects. you will only understand what's happening if you will make yourself familiar with their progress and other developments.
the ratings vary from one site to another. there's no concrete list on how they will rate a specific project. when it comes to those pump and dump coins, if you are long enough in this market, you can easily spot on those pnd coins. also, you can get a hint from their social media channels.
as each coin have their timeline when it comes to actual developments, it is your own due diligence on how you can keep up with them if you decide to hold such coin. no one can do it for you but only yourself can manage the coins you have.

The same isn't happening with every cryptocurrency. There are exceptions and people are used to it. When it comes to cryptocurrency we've got lot many choices and so having diversified portfolio helps in standing strong even when the market is on the downturn. Most of the cryptocurrency in the top order were of good strength, some issues have happened, but those used to be overcome by the network at the shortest.

That does  not make a whole hell of a lot of sense... Of course, if you invest for the long term, then more aggressive that you are, then the more likely that you will be able to profit from the compounding effects that likely take place with your investment with the passage of time, whether that is 4-10 years as a starting timeline, but perhaps more realistically, it could take you 20 to 30 years or more to build your investment portfolio up to a high enough level that you get to some semblance of fuck you status.. perhaps striving to get to 20-30x the size of your yearly salary amount... Of course, there are a lot of people who work their whole lives but they are never able to get off of the hamster wheel into such a stage in which they have built up to 20-30x the size of their yearly income requirements, and so of course, if any of us is able to cut down our investment timeline to be shorter than 20-30 years and maybe get to such a level faster, then we will feel that we achieved our goal, and it seems to me that we do not arrive at such point by fucking around with shitcoins, but instead figuring out a variety of solid investments, perhaps starting out with bitcoin and  maybe diversifying outside of bitcoin as some point in which we are approaching 1x of our yearly salary amount.. but then at the same time, diversifying out does not seem to mean that any of us should want to put any of the value that we have built in our investment portfolio and to gamble on shitcoins .. so in that regard, why add unnecessary risk to our investment strategy unless it happens to be a relatively small portion of our total investment package (perhaps less than 10% of the crypto portion of our investment holdings?).. .. so likely in the beginning of building our investments, it feels like we are not making a lot of progress and it feels as if our investment portfolio is a modest amount, but then when we start to be working with multiples of our total annual income and perhaps striving to reach sizes as large as 20x to 30x the size of our annual income.. then that no longer will feel like moderate.. but the mere fact that it is not moderate will not cause anyone (who has worked hard to get to such a point) to want to piss it away by using lame concepts in which they are merely seeing that some shitcoin(s) happen to be in the top 10?  and so then how did they get there? and what value are they really providing besides just hanging onto bitcoin's coattail or sucking off of the teet of bitcoin in order to sustain it's ongoing placement in the top 10?  So I doubt that any deeper analysis would really justify some kind of desire to gamble very much with any investment portfolio that ends up getting built (and hopefully we are both striving to get above and beyond moderate in terms of how much value we might be managing within our investment portfolio).

Since OP's last update 24.10.2021, he lost an amount of his investment as all of these top 10 coins had dived down. It was the time of bull run but when the bears started the value was drained.

I think he should be investing during the time of the bear market or the time when he can assume the market had bottomed. Let's say Nov-Dec 2022, then he could have made profits. Or this week could still be a good time to start the 10 top coin investment journey. Then check out the value during the bull run after halving. The value should be something to brag about.

Altcoins like ETH and BNB are great, but I often use them as just my trading assets to take a little profit at a given moment because I prefer to keep Bitcoin for a long time so I don't trade Bitcoin. Taking small profits from trading altcoins is also a tactic as these profits can also be pooled to buy Bitcoins and store them for a long time. I do this because I have always loved releasing Bitcoin at a cheap price into the market so I made the option to trade altcoins only because I don't have as much affection for all altcoins as I have my love for Bitcoin.

What this thread shows is that only bitcoin is worth investing in, and if you want to bet on any altcoins, do it with a small percentage, I would say a maximum of 15% of your holdings. BTC is a safe bet, altcoins are more uncertain, and if you want to bet, I wouldn't get hung up on CMC's top ten, it's almost better to take one or a few altcoins that you think can multiply by a lot in a short time, like 50x or more in a year at most.

In compiling a portfolio, you can choose Cryptocurrencies based on market capitalization, then you can adjust large and medium market capitalization. The best way to diversify in compiling a portfolio is to have assets with a variety of uses and different purposes, in the first place is Bitcoin which can be used as a store of value or assets that can grow investment value. ETH and BNB as a medium for taking short-term profits are very suitable to be placed in second place, this coin has proven to be able to survive in any conditions and already has the largest network on the market.

Advance planning is necessary when building a portfolio based on acceptable risk. The best choice is to allocate funds to high-end assets such as Bitcoin, ETH and BNB because these coins have been on the market for a very long time. If you want a big profit, you can choose a coin with a small capitalization that has a very large price change, such as Shitcoin, but the risk is also very high.

regardless of whether you like it or not but in my opinion trading the top 10 Altcoins is still very profitable like BNB and ETH, at a much lower price than Bitcoin it is possible to reap a lot of profits compared to the profits that can be obtained by trading Bitcoin with the same percentage of capital.
if to save for a long time it is a little risky compared to Bitcoin, but the benefits that will be obtained are still quite worth it.
i up to now still choose to keep some top coins, i think it will be very profitable in future.

When it comes to selection of coins on which one you would really be trading or investing would be entirely depending into your own preference since we do really have different approach when it comes to our investment whether we would really be just solely focus on Bitcoin or would really be tending out to diversify as much as we could. We arent that blind nor numb enough not to determine or not to notice in comparing about potential income or profits specially on longer years to come. In comparison about those old years upto the present, then we've seen on how far we do able to reach out.
There are ones who had been replaced into its ranking or placement on the ranks and there are ones who do retain which does simply imply that they are really that a solid or good project to have on.

I cant say about being a good tactic specially if you do go all in, but if you do have doubts or anxiety when it comes to decisioning or whatsoever then it would be better if you do
stick out with the current best one which is Bitcoin. Doesnt matter whether you would be holding it for long term or would be actively trading it.

If someone is only relying on investing in the top 10 market cap coins, they might be disappointed if those coins don't generate a sizable return.  In addition, if they only invest $500, the profits made may not be significant, especially if the price of Bitcoin remains stable or even declines in the next few years.

So, crypto investments should be made with caution and need to be considered carefully.  In addition, you should not only rely on investing in a few coins, but diversify your portfolio by choosing coins that have good profit potential and well-managed risks.  However, my choice of investment is still the most important bitcoin because bitcoin never disappoints.

I understand that you prefer to keep Bitcoins as a long-term investment rather than actively trade with altcoins.  Every investor has different preferences and there is no right or wrong choice in this regard.

However, what we should also know is that altcoins also have huge profit potential, especially if you do proper analysis and research before trading for profit, such as ETH and BNB.  Not all altcoins are the same, and some of them may have interesting fundamentals with high potential returns.

However, in the end, the decision to trade or hold Bitcoin is the best choice for the future and I think the goal of all investors is to save as much Bitcoin as possible.  Everyone will be comfortable with bitcoin without having to worry and we can also make consistent profits, which is a good thing.

it can be said to be a good tactic if you don't want to take high risks,
because Coinmarketcap's top 10 can be said to be 90% guaranteed very good fundamentals and even if bullish comes then the top 10 can go up to 2x,
but if you want to take risks by investing in altcoin gems like in the top 1000 rank maybe, then you can get 1000x if you are lucky.

Anyone who is looking to cash out real quick 5–10x of their investment won't go for the top 10 listed coins or tokens, the reason being that those who have made it to the top have already gained more than enough to give a 10x in a short period of time. It's only when one wants to think of risk reduction measures that the person will choose those top 10 coins, and those who have a long-term investment plan mapped out to hodl for long and not just after a quick coin.

Anyone after getting something huge real quick on the market always goes for coins that they think they will rug pull immediately, which are coins below the top 100 on the market ranking, but those coins are always there with a higher risk.

Those who have invested in tron (TRX) in the past year have just been rotating in one place for the past few months and years, but that kind of investment is less risky because its price is hardly so hard, and even when it does, it still revives in a short time.



Thanks for this tip. Before now, your explanation was exactly how I made my own assumption: even the shitcoins with little volume and liquidity are added up to the sum of the total crypto market capitalization.

Time was chosen because i happened to gather the data in 24.10. And it was the bear market then. In hindsight you obviously know when market is bottomed to put your money in, and i feel that if i waited and tried to make it look like i invested absolute bottom, it would be cheating. And my latest virtual portfolio (24.10.2022) is still back up 15.19%
https://www.cryptocompare.com/portfolio-public/?id=605715

And i hope i don't need to explain that these are not portfolios with real money in them, they are examples. I don't have real money in them. And if i had, that loss of 24.10.2021 portfolio would be a nothing compared to other gains. I will be doing follow up with 24.10.2023 data

I actually feel that the top 10 is also a very high risk because seeing from the top 10 it is only filled by a few stable coins and of course you can see shitcoin there especially for number 8 now  ;D
I personally feel that to be in altcoins of any kind for the top 10 is clearly very high risk regardless.
The conditions are a little complicated if you really force it even though there are some coins that mostly expect the heights of ETH and BNB for example but that is clearly still far greater risk than bitcoin.
I probably wouldn't say they're bad in this case, but of course bitcoin is the obvious choice and only number 1 to look at of course.

Holding top 10 coins can be a good idea. It’s good to hold these coins, as these coins marketcaps will be comparatively higher than other cryptos and hence the chances of facing losses will be less. These coins will be great to earn steady but small profits. But if you want quick and greater profits then you have to analyse the market and choose the best coins according to the profits algorithms. I would suggest that less profit is better than high risk profits. Rest is upto you guys.

Of course this is a good strategy, holding top 10 is a safe way because projects that are already in the top 10 have great capital strength so they will continue to grow, the best thing is to hold 10 ranks and hold in the long term, never sell when you lose because it is always there is a time to sell with profit.

generally these top coins are the ones that gonna experience the bullrun first hand, but the thing is, they mostly already have high value, so therefore you should find good entry by waiting until some of them got their value cut down more than half and then invest, back then when we are at bearish season investing in these coins was really beneficial, so many of them actually losing 80% of their value, for veteran that time was certainly their season of making an entry towards the high ranked coins in general and make some good profit once trend is changing even if these coin just did some recovery they already generating massive profits.

but certainly such chance didn't come twice within short time frame but i still think that currently investing in these coin would still give you good profit only if you patience enough until next bullrun coming.

Of all the cryptocurrencies that exist and are registered they have a level of risk, but the difference is that for altcoins and shitcoins it doesn't make sense to invest, except for people who are ready to accept risks and know potential altcoins.

If you intend to invest in altcoins then ETH is the closest source that is far more reliable, regardless of the risks and price fluctuations and market conditions that affect it. But I agree more if people prioritize bitcoin, because it has been proven to be much more reliable when people hold it, every decision depends on how someone wants to use it and all forms of investment are never free from the risks that arise.

If someone wants to keep cash flow safe, then bitcoin is the closest source that can be relied on, they only need patience to wait for the process to increase when the market returns negative and simply bitcoin can maintain the value of the investments we run, so there is no need to worry about losing money under any circumstances.

Ethereum has a good ecosystem than the others but still that risk will always be there including bitcoin too but bitcoin will be much better because it has a long history with increases in maintaining it so that many people dare to invest in bitcoin as the main given the significant increase and has a cycle that many people always wait for every 4 years.

I'm not too sure about altcoins because there is a greater risk in times of decline that it is difficult to recover, while bitcoin is a more dominant asset among large investors or other institutions, about experiencing negative market conditions and you holding bitcoin of course the key is only patience to wait because the price will one day recover.

We have many people believing many different things on the cryptocurrency market and that is why it is advisable to do your own research at any time before invest. While drawing conclusions from the OP, you will understand that for couple of years, top 10 coins have been on a steady profit and not even small margin profits. Example is the BNB which had increased so much within 3yrs.
We have different believers in the market which I can categorise as;

• Bitcoin believers (These set of people do not think that any other coins apart from BTC is worth it
• We have the top 10 altcoin believers such as described by Op
• We have shit coin and meme coin gamblers who hope for huge return within a small space of time

It is best to do what works for you for years, but for newbies who hasn't got patterns yet should start with bitcoin and first study the industry and how it works.

We should stop talking about risk whenever it comes to investing, because almost all forms of investment in this world are quite risky, but what we need to talk about is steps to minimize this risk. There is a saying that we often listen to, if someone doesn't dare to take risks, then they should be in their comfort zone and not get involved in investing.

This reason actually makes us choose bitcoin because basically bitcoin can minimize the risks arising from investments by waiting for the next recovery process if a correction occurs, while altcoins are difficult to recover on the market when a correction occurs, because altcoins usually follow the bitcoin process.

Investing in altcoins is very risky compared to bitcoin, but the higher the risk, the higher the return. I am not interested in investing in old altcoins because to me, investing in altcoins should only be classified as short and medium term. But except for ETH, it is riskier than bitcoin, but it is also the top safe to invest in this market, and I think it will give a higher return than bitcoin.

In 8th place is dogecoin, it is shitcoin, but you have to agree with me it has been around longer than we think, and many potential altcoins like LTC or EOS...All fall behind, but Doge is still here with us, even bringing huge profits to many.

If you are here to invest in technology and looking for a solution to replace the outdated fiat system, bitcoin is the perfect choice. But if you are for profit, there are many options besides bitcoin. I mean, we still invest in bitcoin, but don't miss other opportunities.

Don't think that the top 10 rankings are always occupied by the same coin every year because for the top six to ten ranks there is always the potential for change because the competition for demand and supply volumes is very close. So that you also need to think about and look at carefully besides the option to hold everything for a long time, although in general it's not bad to hold everything (coins that are in the top 10).

But you also have to be very aware that in the following year there could be another coin that enters the top 10 ranking to shift the existing coins so that makes everyone think that those that are already in the top 10 in terms of ranking will never last long. However, for the first to the top five ranks, I'm sure that it won't be so easy for the others to move (unless there are moments that can make them move) to a lower rank.

I don't like holding the top 10 coins in my portfolio, apart from Bitcoin and Ethereum I don't see any other that's worth holding for the long term, things change very fast and the best projects in the crypto space today might lose their position in the next bull market, do not be fooled by those top altcoins, they can't always be in the same position as new ideas are been brought to the blockchain every time.

The next big altcoins that will take over the top 10 list in the coming bull market will be different, that's why it's better to go for new projects that are very popular, they have the hype and money to become the next big alt in 2025, the likes of Aptos, SUI, Arbitrum and many new upcoming projects.

The top 10 coins include Bitcoin, Ether, and BNB. Investing in these coins is definitely less risky. Some say that coins ranked in the top 100 by market cap are almost all good coins. But I don't agree with that logic. Because there are many coins that have a lot of trading volume but are not included in the top exchanges. All those coins fell back from the 100 ranking at some point. But surely all the coins in the top ten are ahead in terms of reliability. I would suggest to choose Bitcoin first for investment and if an investor invests in any of the top 10 rankings considering his financial status he will be able to earn a good amount in the long term investment.

How can it be a bad idea to be wise to the extent of spreading your risk and not on bad crptos but on the top 10 ones that moves the crypto space? You displayed wisdom and getting to know that you made this post in 2018 is impressive, all the top crypto then move and blessed the holders when the price moved up in 2020 and 2021. The plan I have with next halving of 2024 is not so far from this. I will distribute my cryptos as possible as I could in top networks.

And this is what others love and this is why they do take much risks whenever they do see that it is something that worth considering that they do make out some comparison in between prices compared into the present and into those previous years on which couldnt blamed then on if ever they would be having a target on acquiring top #10 coins in the market and would be accumulating it year by year continously.

Well basing up into those numbers then we could actually say that there's really a future on holding up for longer time aspect.This would rather be just a test of patience since not all really that
having that long line specially on waiting time. This is why they would really be that impulsive on taking up actions just because they cant really just wait more longer.

Good tactic? Success rate based on OP was indeed that great because if we do see on how high coins been able to reach out then you could really say that it is really
that worth than on making your fiat stay on your bank account which you do receieve ><1-3% per annum.  :D

Well what you said is true when you don't miss the slightest opportunity you have, but on the other hand in this case everyone is also free to do anything in their own way as long as they are aware of the risks they will face later.

For me, I don't want to do something like that because it crosses my own boundaries. let's say in this case I am a coward not to jump into altcoins in Investment, but on the other side of my view, I prefer bitcoin and I will do it completely there regardless of others because it goes back to the much higher risk there.
Although indeed in this case bitcoin is also still not a guarantee for that but indeed it is a risk that must be taken and my limits remain there without regard to others.

I made a quick comparison of "BCI 10" - a top 10 crypto index Vs. Bitcoin.
BCI 10 is offered by Bitpanda (a regulated Austrian crypto exchange). It gets rebalanced every month to reflect any changes in the top 10.
As in the OP, it doesn't take into account any staking rewards, forks etc.

BCI 10:
1 year:
https://i.imgur.com/QvcYG57.png

5 years:
https://i.imgur.com/0OUQzca.png

Bitcoin:
1 year:
https://i.imgur.com/ToMU8eB.png

5 years:
https://i.imgur.com/5J1lwNw.png

In the shorter run of 1 year, Bitcoin has recorded a slightly lower loss, but in the span of 5 years - it massively outperformed the BCI 10 index.

well according your past data holding top 10 marketcap is a good deal although in bear market it seems we down for 70% but in bull market we can see a whooping 1000%+  :o.

So its pretty much a good deal right although I have skepticism about memecoin since usually their supply is enormous and doesn't have burning mechanism but great for scalping tho hahaha
if we hit the bear market top 10 marketcap usually offer PoS mechanism so when bear market hit it would be great to accumulate and stake. 

Did you join the market to minimize your loss or to make profits. As an investor you shouldn't be scared of losses as every successful investors has lost very large amount of money in the past. Let the fear of losing not limit your investment choices. Top 10 aren't good choices unless you want to select just few coins from the list like Bitcoin and Ethereum that always stays at the top 10 every year.

Other coins might stay at the top 10 but they won't be profitable compared to other coins in lower rank, in general the coins in the top 10 changes in every bull market as new project get pumped into the top 10 so why not invest in potential top 10 projects so you make more profits when they get in the top 10.

Not all coins that make the top 10 will stay there each year. Competition in the cryptocurrency market is fierce, and the volume of demand and supply can influence price movements and a coin's position in the rankings. Coins that are already in the top 10 are also not always the best choice to hold in the long term. It is possible that another coin with better fundamentals or wider usage will emerge and displace the existing coin.

However, for the first to top three rankings, these coins have a very strong dominance in the market and it is difficult for other coins to shift their position to a higher rank. However, keep in mind that the crypto market is very dynamic and anything can happen. Therefore the best choice is to invest in bitcoin because bitcoin has been tested from the start until now it has never changed its position. And I think without you having to tell all investors also have the same view, don't sell at a loss.

It's a bad idea because you are not spreading your risk, but instead diluting what might have otherwise been your investment into bitcoin... and you are not even spreading into different industries but instead just putting money into other assets  (shitcoins) that are already mostly correlated to bitcoin's price movements.

... and if you are choosing to invest into shitcoins, merely based on top 10 criteria.. then you are likely showing lack of knowledge regarding what you are investing into, and accordingly the criteria is being chosen by the market - which in itself can be manipulated in terms of which coins are ending up in the top 10..

It could be a good idea for some people, especially those who don't have enough knowledge about Bitcoin, so they just choose to invest in some altcoins because they are in the top 10 by market cap. But it's more risky to invest in those coins compared to investing in Bitcoin because most of those coins you see in the top 10 will only be there for a while, and most of them don't usually stand the test of time because some altcoin projects are good at manipulating their token price and market cap. For example, most altcoins usually pump their tokens, and when they get a lot of attention, they dump the token. Sometime after the dump, the project may not really survive again, but Bitcoin will still do better. In the past two years, there were coins that were on the top 10, but today they are not; instead, other tokens have also been on the top 10, which may not also be there for a very long time, like Bitcoin, which has always been at the top.

In the end it just becomes a sham and of course it all comes back to bitcoin as the core of it.
I think with conditions like this, rather than looking for clear reasons with instant riches as a benchmark, I think it's better to move on to something that is more feasible.
We know that most of the people who are there only expect that, especially for those who are in shitcoin, but they are not too aware even though they say they are aware that this could actually lead them to destruction.

You see, some times I see some people that are into some kind of altcoin as big dreamers (why?) because they just buy some random coins that they think are more likely to blow them if the price gets pumped, but these coins just turn into shitcoins and don't add any value to their portfolio. Some people who are really determined to invest in crypto sometimes fall into these shitcoins before they realize it and begin to invest in Bitcoin. Some also just usually give up on crypto, not knowing that they are the reason why they did not get any profit from their investment. Some are also desperate to make a quick profit, so when they see some of these altcoins on the top 10, they really feel it's worth investing because the coin or token may get pumped.

I think you're confusing investing with gambling. For every newly created "project" that makes it to the top 10 or the top 20, you have dozens, if not hundreds, of projects that fail miserably. Everyone is a master of retrospective trading and can point out a coin that made it and say "you should've invested in it and you could make x1000" etc, but actually predicting that before the pump is a whole different game. Sure, you could play around with a couple of hundred $, but no one sane would put any significant portion of their wealth on Shiba Inu, Niggercoin, or another Doge Bonk. Even if it plays out the way you want, it's almost always a stupid move.

You see, some times I see some people that are into some kind of altcoin as big dreamers (why?) because they just buy some random coins that they think are more likely to blow them if the price gets pumped, but these coins just turn into shitcoins and don't add any value to their portfolio. Some people who are really determined to invest in crypto sometimes fall into these shitcoins before they realize it and begin to invest in Bitcoin. Some also just usually give up on crypto, not knowing that they are the reason why they did not get any profit from their investment. Some are also desperate to make a quick profit, so when they see some of these altcoins on the top 10, they really feel it's worth investing because the coin or token may get pumped.
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That's why patience is always a virtue, personally for me I feel these investors that involved themselves in these altcoins are just out to make quick and fast cash supposing the actual coins invested in pumps up all of a sudden but the latter is the case and these coins always fails overnight which makes bitcoin stand out from these shitcoins. Many other investors are ignorant of learning more about what they want to invest in and just decide to go with their eye and invest in already pumping coins in the top list, sometimes when I do want to sell my coins in binance exchange I do see a lot of these shitcoins pumping so high but as an investor who understand the risk involved in investing in these, its probably better to just stick to the best investment coins (bitcoin) which have proven this over the years than trying out new pumping altcoins out of curiosity or greed to make quick cash.

Going after with meme tokens have a very uncertain future, hence, most are just investing on this at a short-time basis.
But if in case you will invest and haven't gotten out early, you may possibly suffer losses because most new meme alts have a pump and dump scenario.
They may enter in the top 10 at some point, but I think it is not good basis to consider them in your portfolio.
If you are looking for the longevity of the project, better check what's their use case in the market. Can it sustain its presence in the market?

@DaNNy001, you see, sometimes I don't blame these crypto Beginners who invested in shitcoins (why?), because they somehow did not really get the right information about cryptocurrency before they started, with just a little knowledge. But I tend to blame some experienced crypto users who still get convinced that they could make a whole lot of profit from those shitcoins (that's absolutely gambling on investment) because they are always like, "Okay, let me just invest this amount and see if the token gets pumped or not," and sometimes, it's even after they have invested that the token price starts dumping so hard until the project owners disappear.

Let me tell you this funny story: it was about my friend. We both started this crypto journey almost the same year. This guy was really into altcoins, so one day he showed me one and said "he had seen a good project that we should invest in their token, and that within two to three years we would be making a whole lot of profit from the token." In order not to turn him down, I invested some funds. At that time, the token was trading at $0.005, but currently it is trading at $0.000003, and there is no liquidity for the token on the exchange where it's even listed. Why I said the story is funny is because this guy was really so exuberant, believing that we had made the best investment of that year. He said that token was his dream token and that he would use the profit that comes off that it to build his dream house (that's why I said in my second reply that shitcoin investors are big dreamers). It's been four years now, and the token is dead already.

Newbie mistakes are really that common, even into our early days or months here on crypto space on which those kind of impressions and beliefs on mind is really that common.We would really be sharing up on the same

approach just like theirs.On the time that you would really be getting that sufficient knowledge and awareness on how things works and how things do behaves then it would really be just that normal that you would really be having that kind of disgust feeling on what you have believed in the past.Well its normal because no one starts on being a pro but rather we do start on scratch. Mistakes or errors is part of the learning stuff becauseif you didnt go into this path then i dont know on where you have been following.

Holding top #!0 coins in the market will really be that worth but of course it would be depending on how much money you do able to put all of the years had passed.
There's no way on knowing the future but at least having that Bitcoin on the top spot would give out some good results.

You mean being worthful or worthless?

no one knows for sure whether it's good tactic but one thing for sure you'll have more consistency in managing the risk of your investments, generally you could always determine that these high ranked coins are usually have lower risk than the other altcoin with significantly lower market capitalization in which in this case quite essential in term of managing your investments.

if you are seeking for consistent profit and rather safe investment then just settle with these top 10 rank coin in which gonna helps you a lot in keeping your investments. but certainly it gonna be better if along the way you also add some new coins just to increase the profit that you might gain but with just little capital then you're settled.

Once invested in this volatile market, no one is a coward, but everyone has different thoughts and preferences. For me, investing in bitcoin or altcoin is also an investment, I mean, as long as we are aware of what we are doing with our money and will not regret it if something unfortunate happens, we have the right to invest anywhere.

Honestly, I entered this market with the primary goal of making a profit, so I am quite comfortable with diversified investments, any project I invest in, as long as it is within my tolerance.

I know there are a lot of people who hate altcoins, and strictly speaking, they are trash, nothing compared to the perfection of bitcoin. But if we talk about profit and know how we can still take advantage of it to make a profit, it is not difficult.

Many people think that hold top 10 is the best decision, but we have to remember that a year ago LUNA was in top 10 then went bankrupt, i think there is no guarantee that hold top 10 is the best decision, if we invest big amount then i prefer invest in some coins that have prospects in the future.

This goes back only to perspective and I also will not be firm with my opinion that altcoins are not good because basically it is something that cannot be forced on others but indeed in this case I also have my own limits about myself which indeed only return to bitcoin and nothing more than that because for now it is the most comfortable zone for me even though indeed when in bitcoin does not mean we are safe but looking at the risk, this is much more minimized inversely when in altcoin which is indeed a very much greater risk.


In this case I'm most likely the one who said they were trash :D
When it comes to profits, it might be understandable but on the other hand we also have to realize that such profits are obtained because of the hope that the big guys will pump it up but that is only a small possibility out of many false hopes in my opinion.
Another condition is that we must also be able to see the thread in the middle in this case because we not only see good risks but also bad possibilities to fall further in altcoins must be considered.

That's actually fine with me apart from everyone wanting an altcoin in hopes that it never goes very well that's their business.
I only focus on myself with the bitcoins that I have and of course apart from other people who are doing things in altcoins, that's their business. Reminding is still possible, but when they choose a path like that with the hope of pumping it that makes them feel they have high hopes of getting rich instantly, then indeed things like that are better off not needing to be dealt with anymore.
They are focused on what they are after and I of course have to be focused on what I am after with bitcoin in my portfolio.

No, that's not correct; it can only be a good tactic for anyone who sees it as one for them. After taking a snippet of most of the comments here, I see that some people really kick against it, while some people also think it's a good tactic for them. But no one has confirmed that out of the top 10 market cap tokens they bought, about five have really made them a good profit in the long run. Let's take, for example, the Doge coin, which was first taken as a joke coin in the beginning, but after the coin  price began to go high, it was added to the top 10 coins. Do you still see dogecoin in the top 10 today? (Nop) I believe people who invested in the coin when they saw it in the top 10 are still waiting for another pump to happen again. Another example is the Luna coin that @Sir legend mentioned below.


This was a good example 👍🏻


Sure, you can say it's their business or whatever, but again, some crypto beginners just fall into this top 10 coin or token without realizing that it doesn't even minimize their risk of investment. They sometimes think that since they are spreading their funds on different altcoins, it can limit the risk, and at least they can make profit from most of those coins, of which even all those coins can turn out to be shitcoins. I just feel so softhearted and wish I could help everyone at once by letting them understand the risk that also follows the tactics (most especially beginners). But for those who are already aware of what the results may be, they don't rely on their high hopes, and even if they lose their investment, they already realize they were only trying their luck with altcoins. But some people don't think that way, and if those people lose their investment, they can be faced with some emotional troubles.

Ongoingly, each of us will likely still be faced with various dilemmas regarding how we choose to interact with people who are shitcoin pumpers, and questions regarding whether we want to attempt to share information with them in regards to bitcoin, or if we might choose to refrain from interacting with them because they might be too passionate in regards to their shitcoins and therefore we might have difficulties communicating with them from some kind of a common ground understanding and framework.

Surely, frequently many of us should be able to attempt to talk about bitcoin versus shitcoins with others in terms of trying to figure out what kinds of goals that each of us might be trying to achieve, and so sometimes there can be agreements to disagree about strategies, if we end up seeing and agreeing that some of the goals might be different.

A lot of us might share goals that we would like to get rich quick; however, some of us might appreciate and understand that if we attempt to strictly try to pursue a goal of attempting to get rich quick, then the actual pursuit of such goal may well end up causing us to lose value (financially and even morally/ethically).

Surely one of the frameworks for investing into bitcoin does include considering ways to attempt to preserve portfolio value, and even if bitcoin remains amongst the most conservative of the "cryptos," at the same time, relatively speaking bitcoin is also still a risky investment, so it is not even necessarily a good idea to over-allocate our investments into bitcoin, so in some sense, we may well want to consider how much are we investing into bitcoin as compared to investing into other assets, and when I refer to investing in other assets, I am not even getting into the idea of investing into shitcoins, but instead considering how much of our investment portfolio might have other traditional asset classes such as cash, stocks, property and even some other forms of investments/savings....

And, if we are new to investing, we might not even have any other investments besides cash and crypto.. so there is that angle too.. and then so within crypto.. how much are we thinking that we can fuck around with other kinds of investments besides bitcoin.. , and maybe it would be good to self-impose some kind of ceiling in regards to how much we might want to put into various shitcoins (while gambling that they might potentially perform better than bitcoin).. I personally would not invest any more than 10% of my total crypto investment into anything other than bitcoin (and I personally don't even have more than 1%), but surely there are some folks who will go further than that and even go over 50% into shitcoins and surely there are some folks are so dumb as to only have 10% to 20% or less in bitcoin, which might even be part of the premise of this thread if there is some kind of assertion that bitcoin might serve 1/10 of an annual investment package.. presuming that the investment into the top 10 cryptos would be evenly distributed, which is bordering on retarded, from my perspective.

Now some members have mentioned that they are more excited about some top 10 crypto rather than others, and have mentioned ethereum and BNB and maybe a few others, and even if it might be true that there could potentially be some better value (or even less downside risk) in those coins (shitcoins - especially ethereum), then still they should not be conceptualized as equally weighted to bitcoin, even if it is possible that in the short term they might out perform bitcoin in the short-term.. but there could be some ways to make some reasonable short term bets on either or both of those coins without presuming that either one of them should be held as "long term" investments, which is part of the justification that bitcoin should be kept in many of our portfolios as a long term bet that goes out for a minimum of 4 years, and even 10 to 20 years or more would be reasonably feasible when it comes to how to think about bitcoin holdings..

but there is no problem investing in meme tokens, it may give you higher profit compared to what Bitcoin or popular Altcoins can give you. If you know the right time to get in and out of this investment, you might be able to get a high profit, like my friend did when he managed to get a high enough profit investing in Shiba Inu. the point is not to be greedy and still know when to out.

We can't do anything there because it's their will because when we see beginners doing this, actually things like this are very risky, it's just that they are not aware of it because they really feel that altcoins are a profitable place and still have hope. that this will be an instant advantage, but on the other hand, even if we warn, sometimes things like that are considered as one part to block, so instead of having to argue with those who don't fit their portion, it's better to let it happen because when they feel themselves, in the end, they will know which way is better. I don't really care about that because indeed when our good intentions are misinterpreted it is better for us to just see how they solve the problem. They also need to learn and losing is a risk they should know about that especially being in altcoins which are not very useful.

Mostly when doing things like this it actually results in discord for myself considering in this case we also can't force the person's will which makes this a little complicated.
On the other hand, when the ego is higher when discussing clearly this becomes another problem because we have our own arguments. this may just be my experience and I am also very supportive when there are still many people who still keep reminding me to be in bitcoin not altcoins especially for beginners but for me I better not do that because apart from my shortcomings to explain is not better , when in discussions I also sometimes put forward my own ego more.

The problem with this is actually I still don't understand the concept of getting rich instantly, especially when it's in a scope like this. We are aware that this place is a place with high risk and we know that when we say investment, roughly speaking it takes time so this is not suitable for instant riches and of course we all need to process with the initial concept of investment so we cannot say something like this. to get rich instantly but out there there are still many who think like this just because seeing the lives of people who are in this scope looks more comfortable.

There are memecoins that going to the moon but majority of it are scams and worthless so it is better if I will just put my money on something that is legit where I can minimized the risk. If we will convert it in percentage, I think only 1 out of 100 memecoins that makes it to TOP. The current popular memecoin today if I'm not mistake it is called $PEPE coin, I do not know what its utility but I have read that its market capitalization is around $500 Million right now. Did I put some money on it? No becuase it is just a memecoin and the risks are high and I'm still in neutral emotion even I missed the possible gains that I can have on it. Better to make investment on top 10 crypto market capitalization right now than to put my money on something that is just a meme coin.

Diversification is important and that is why we need to pick what is the best cryptocurrencies in the market today, what I do is I check all of the charts of the Top 100 cryptos. So one of my criteria before investing is that the crypto should be belong to the top 100 because these are the trending coins and have the highest market capitalization. After that I'll check all of it and pick the crypo with uptrend and with good market sentiment. I ignore those coins that have unhealthy price patterns because it will be ingore very soon. Once I indentifies the coins with good charts, I re arranged it by price patterns and also by my niche. In that way I can easily see if the coin is good or bad to my portfolio.

That's why I wouldn't call that investing. If you know that those meme coins have no future and that you'll need to pull out before the hype dies out - that's much closer to gambling than investing. Similarly to knowingly putting money into Ponzi scheme, if you time it right, you could make a decent profit, but let's not call that investing.

You'd probably be better off creating a bunch of worthless meme coins and trying to hype them up to see if any of them catches on. This way you won't be risking anything other than your time.

In the last 12 years or so, many of us may have witnessed real world examples in which some people have improved their financial circumstances greatly by being invested in bitcoin or even in some shitcoins, so it would not be out of the question that many people might consider that there might be ways to continue to deploy their capital (and value) into bitcoin and/or into shitcoins in order attempt to accelerate the timeline in which they would otherwise be expecting to get returns in traditional markets.

Surely, also in recent times (maybe even more exacerbated since March 2020-ish) many folks might have been witnessing a variety of potential crises in various kinds of real world investments and even wondering how sound that they might be in terms of either potential short-term price performance or even in terms of potential long term price performance, that also may well relate to a lot of the artificial and likely misleading price signals that come when the actual money itself (and the various levels of debt that various fiat systems have) has been distorting whether some of the price signals might be inaccurate or even inflated to the upside due to the supply of money being outrageously increased... and sure, some of those problems with the money supply being outrageously inflated can also end up screwing up the price signals in bitcoin and shitcoins too... maybe worse in shitcoins, to the extent to which some of us might speculate that bitcoin is able to sustain its own more accurate price signals because of the soundness of its fundamentals, rather than merely being a product of market hype.. which seems to be the bread and basket ideations that underly many ways that shitcoins are speculated upon.

So yeah, whether we conclude that our theory to invest in something like bitcoin might have some basis in attempting to get rich quicker, there are also other related ideas (that might be on the other side of the same coin) that relate to merely attempting to preserve value by not getting poor through the various ways that value might be stored in various traditional assets - and even shitcoins.


The application of diversification is likely important when such diversification is applied across asset classes that are likely not correlated, or industries that might not be directly related or having assets that are valued based on the same underlying market moving dynamics.  Within crypto, an overwhelming majority of the assets are correlated to bitcoin, so they do not tend to have any of their own independent fundamentals - absent some potential pump and dump talking point or being able to garner momentum that might be considered to potentially outpace bitcoin on the short-term (that surely would not usually be a sustainable kind of a feature, in many of those subset of cases).  

In other words, you may be misusing (or misapplying the idea of diversification) just in terms of your merely wanting to place a variety of gambling bets (rather than diversifying within more of a fundamental analyst's attempt to apply such a practice/principle).


I have quite a bit of reluctancy towards encouraging forum members to start their own ponzi scheme or scam as a mechanism to "make money" (even though they might decide to engage in such conduct on their own initiative) - even though that suggestion does highlight the actual on the ground's fact that the ones who likely are making the most out of the various shitcoins out there are the ones who are creating and pumping the coin (and attempting to dump before anyone figures out that they are dumping on the ones who they had earlier evangelized to buy their crap).

In my opinion, holding the top 10 is the best and safest step, projects or coins that have a large market cap, namely the top 10 and the lowest currently is $8 billion, so it is safer and calmer, when there is market turmoil, the community will usually help to pump again.

I’ve been around long enough to see plenty of top 10 coins go away to nothing. That being said, diversification is usually a good thing. I don’t know if I’d blindly throw money at whatever happens to be there. I can understand holding BTC & ETH. Maybe even a different scaling solution like MATIC or SOL. Maybe even a meme coin like DOGE if you believe in Elon.

Just seen your post here, thanks for providing the data. This is what many don't understand: The further you go back to compare to Top 10 vs Bitcoin, the worse the results.

For example let's look at the Top 10 from 10 years ago (https://coinmarketcap.com/historical/20130505/) with respective ranks today:

1. Bitcoin (#1)
2. Litecoin (#12)
3. Namecoin (#615)
4. Peercoin (#745)
5. Feathercoin (#1659)
6. Freicoin (#2289)
7. Terracoin (#1926)
8. Devcoin (#N/A)
9. Novacoin (#2046)
10. Mincoin (#N/A)

Out of list, only one of these - Litecoin - remains in the Top 500 (#12), all the rest went to shit. Two don't seem to exist anymore, the rest are down over a 10 year period apart from Namecoin and Peercoin. The best performer here aside from Litecoin that is up substantially (but not as much as Bitcoin notably) was Namecoin, that 10 years ago was worth around $1 and this year has managed to get to around $1.50 lol.

So If you had invested say 10% in each of the Top 10 a decade ago, you'd only be up because of Bitcoin. Whereas simply buying BTC at the highs at around $100 you'd be up over 28,000% today. It really is a no brainer. Of course you could argue that the Top 10 generally stay in the Top 10 for longer than they used to, sure, but so far analysing a decade-long strategy of investing in the Top 10, it's a terrible idea.

What's really happening to people with altcoins is overconfidence and a desire to blow so sharply when token prices boom, not realizing they can gradually accumulate bitcoin without having to save up to buy a whole bitcoin at once. Perdon me, but I like using examples of experiences I have had with my friends or the stories told by friends. So, one day, I was in the mist of people discussing and talking about how hard it is to buy one bitcoin. "it is very easy to just buy some newly born coins and wait until the price begins to go up, " he said. one of them also said, "Altcoins whose prices are low can easily blow one's investment because when they buy very low and sell even when the price increases by just 10%," they still fail to realize that some altcoins even die off at  the point of their ICOs. Sorry, I am referring to new altcoins now, but the fact remains that, despite they are new, they can be promoted to rank in the top 10 within just a few day or even 24hour, so that they can just gain wide exposure.

Some people are not just well informed before taking steps into their crypto journey.

they are outlier though, they become scam for reasons and the fact that the company took to much part in managing the coin is also one of them, it's different with coin like ethereum where quite literally it's real consensus. with luna you just got a coin that's plain bs, but people back then just couldn't see it, either do I, but this time around investing in top 10 coins, seems even more relevant.
the shitty coin have already been eliminated, of course there are chance that other coin will suffer the same fate, but certainly investing in these top 10 coin is safer than investing in some random coin out of nowhere. at least it's got consistent update and the team behind it is rather clear and it's not like some random meme coins.

There is no need to Hold top 10 coins when we can invest solely for Bitcoin as we are talking about Holding and for me the Number one coin is the perfect fit for this, while some or even me tries to diversify in some other coins yet I only believe that one coin is best if it is a long term policy.
I have witnessed this happened  several times (those are in Halving) so if we can change the system by holding Bitcoin.

Bitcoin will definitely be the most holder but I'm not too sure about some other coins only now it's just enough to invest in bitcoin whereas assuming they are always different in choosing other top 10 coins, let it be their desired investment choice.

But I'm not always sure what is called diversification in other coins, whereas in my understanding diversification is for other assets called property or real estate and if you want to invest in digital assets then just bitcoin rather than other coins.

So I'm not collecting the top few coins for now, unless I have done so in the past.

Wow, that's pretty crazy and puts things into perspective. I knew that the top 10 (excl. BTC) from decade ago was not doing well, but didn't realise it was that bad.

In terms of the BCI 10 index I was referring to - it mitigates such risk by rebalancing. But that has its own risks of selling low and buying high. So all the historical evidence shows the best bet is just to hold BTC, unless you believe the past patterns are not a good indication and expect things to change (e.g. flippening etc).


I'm far from encouraging that, just pointed out that that's probably more profitable and less risky. But at the same time, I wouldn't class all such "projects" as scams or ponzi. Although that's not a way of earning money that one should be proud of, I don't necessarily see anything morally wrong in creating and trying to sell a coin as long as you're not being deceitful and not making false promises/declarations. I've seen a few that were pretty honest that all they had to offer was a name, a logo and funny memes, I found them quite entertaining (e.g. "HarryPotterObamaSonic10Inu" token, RIP).

As I said, this is what many fail to realise. The shorter the time-frame holding Top 10 coins the better is the general rule of thumb. Ideally don't invest in the Top 10 though. I mentioned it before in this thread that it's a much better strategy to invest in Top 50/100 coins that you think can reach the Top 10/20, then sell them at those respective ranks. At least for accumulating satoshis, it can be a successful strategy. Otherwise if you were to hold Top 10/20 coins in a 1 year long bull market, I think you would outperform Bitcoin, as historically altcoins generally do outperform. But for the other 3 years, it's not worth the hassle, clearly.

Ideally there's be the data available for how many coins were once in the Top 10, as I imagine by now it's in the hundreds of coins that aren't even Top 100 anymore.


Where is that BCI10 Index based? I can't find it on TradingView and would be interesting to look at. I can only find a "Crypto 100 Index", that I assume is the Top 100.

Asset diversification may be great for growing your investment portfolio, but either way bitcoin should be the most dominant asset over the others in the portfolio. You or anyone can have the top 10 coins in any budget amount, but if it were me then I would never have more than 10% of my investment budget in any altcoin.

I would never say someone is totally stupid about their choice of investment assets as long as they can consider it at their own risk. Even bitcoin also has a risk of loss if the user does not know how to practice the best security methods for storing it. Price volatility is very reasonable, but in most cases altcoin prices are always affected by bitcoin volatility. Owning more bitcoins than any other altcoin is a plan I've been working on for years.

They hold the risk of every coin choice that has been invested, so any altcoin choice must be tested and analyzed first and set investment limits for a range of around 20% for top altcoin choices and altcoin potential for short-term trading profits, normally all altcoin prices are affected bitcoin volatility but at certain hype altcoins have their own impact to increase significantly in any market conditions, but it is difficult to determine the altcoin because it must have a detailed analysis on the roadmap of each project, so if you want a safe mode then the bitcoin investment option is the best investment advice at any time.

What do you think about Doge's case? It has existed from 2013 to the present, even earlier than ETH, and it is still at the top of CMC. Potential altcoins are said to have new technology and have use cases like LISK, EOS, and SOL... where are they? Did you see them? Investment is that we care about profit, if technology does not bring profit. Do you invest?

Not just meme projects, but I believe the altcoin market is gambling. Why do I say that? Look at altcoin projects that all die, being replaced after each bear season ends. There is no project that can stick with us for a long time, if there is, we can only mention ETH as the only case. The rest may not die entirely but also cannot recover or return to the old ATH, let alone make a profit for us. Previous replacement projects have always claimed that they have new, superior technology...blah..blah..., but so far, none have been put to practical use. Because they are all unlike bitcoin, they are created for the purpose of selling tokens, while bitcoins are created for the purpose of being a payment method.

Fair point. If the biggest selling point of a coin is "new technology" that's always a risky investment, because there will always be some new coins with even better technology etc.

That's why I'm fairly calm about the future of Bitcoin. Through the first-mover advantage, it established itself as the No.1 crypto, with the highest recognition and (probably) the largest number of users. So it doesn't have to be the best, it just has to be good enough.
Meanwhile, coins like ETH have to compete with their utility/functionality, so if any new project emerges that is faster and cheaper, then there's no real reason to use ETH anymore.

As for DOGE - that's an outlier. It wasn't doing that great until it got propped up by Elon Musk.


It's offered by Bitpanda (Austrian crypto exchange) and only available to purchase there, it's not like ETF or anything. More details:
https://www.bitpanda.com/en/bci-bitpanda-crypto-index
Prospectus: https://cdn.bitpanda.com/media/bci/Prospectus_Index_English.pdf

I agree with you in some extent but i have another idea. I would like to say coins that are placed on the top ten position, it must be massively prosperous.  It is extremely difficult for any coin to get a place. But Luna and FTX is different issues which were in good position but could not hold their place continuously. Currently, the coins that are in the top ten are definitely reliable. In which you can invest as per your choice as per your convenience.  If no new scam happens then I think every coin in the top ten is worthy for investment.

That's so true.

I've been there and tried to get myself with meme coins but I was no good. It made me bare losses and I never tried it again. It's certainly is a gamble and those that we're seeing making profits, that's good for them.

But, it's not always a good day for them and those making a lot of money there have also have a huge losses before and just learned from their mistakes while some, it's pure luck.

Yes.  You might be onto something in regards to many of us sharing values in regards to "caring about profits"  - yet questions still would remain regarding how you measure your profits?  short term?  long term?  In dollars or in something else?  In hookers, lambos and blow?  In houses?

...and even if we might consider that "profits" is a good consideration to have, and maybe principles do not matter so much - even though some members are likely somewhat concerned about their behaviors reflecting values, and some members are not going to invest in potentially profitable asset classes that they consider to be pump and dumps.. or even exploiting the misinformation of others.. such as investing in knowing ponzi schemes, even if we may well know that we are able to get in and out of it.. and to be able to "profit" from our involvement.  We are all not necessarily maniacally focused on profits, even if many of us likely agree that even bitcoin has profit incentives built into it, but many of us might also consider bitcoin to be a kind of ethical investment in terms of both being able to 1) "do the right thing" and to 2) have good chances of profiting at the same time.

I frequently have said "fuck shitcoins" based on my concerns about seemingly purposefully scamming and misleading others, even though I understand that there are some innocent people involved in shitcoins and don't always recognize that they are involved in projects/assets that are way inferior to bitcoin in terms of fundamentals and also in terms of ethics... but hey, everyone learns at their own rate, no?  live and let live, even if their are scummy and scammy people out there...and people with low and easy ethics... who may well tend to boil all matters down to whether or not they are "profiting."


I agree with everything that you say here LittleBitFunny, and furthermore, I would suggest that ethereum's use case has been for the purpose of facilitating the ability to scam others.. easy ways to obfuscate and scam others, then use ethereum.. Historically, presently and perhaps into the future, that's their use case... mostly, if not exclusively... ..and for sure, there are possibilities to "profit" from the ability to obfuscate and to scam others, and so it is surely possible that you can continue to make money from ethereum, just like there have been historical abilities to make money from ethereum for some folks... whether or not they can continue to keep the scam going might be another story.. but whatever, I don't claim to have any kind of crystal ball in their abilities to get powerful (and potentially) rich folks helping them to fuck over normies with their ongoing smoke & mirrors house of cards bullshit... so yeah.. "invest" in them if it makes you (not referring to you specifically LittleBitFunny) feel like you might "profit" within that kind of a seemingly "fiat" and somewhat "valueless" framework.

There are a majority of people who invest in altcoins but always encounter losses because, in an altcoin investment, you are investing by luck and not certainty, just like in gambling, where you are not sure of the outcome. Some projects will launch this month, and before you know it, after a few months, the project will disappear with the investors funds. Many people have also lost money by investing in altcoins at their ICO and IEO levels. Most people who have luckily earned 100x on a token they invested in also end up losing nearly all or even all the profit on other altcoins or shitcoins they invest in.

Normally, we know that there is no investment that has zero risk, but when investing in Bitcoin, you are sure that if you are able to buy during the bear market and hold until the bull market, you will make a profit. But all these altcoins and meme coins don't really obey the bear and bull seasons; they are usually based on pump and dump periods.

People who are investing in altcoins should really be aware of the risks involved so that they don't blame it on Bitcoin, because that's what most people do; they can have bad experiences with altcoins and blame it on Bitcoin.

We do have recently that meme coin season where most of them do reach out certain multipliers after several hours of its launching and a couple of days on which these things do really pump out like crazy.

When the hype is really there then it do even shoots up more but on the time the hypes gone or its already that overbought then for sure it would really be next is to die.Rinse and repeat and this is why its not really that ideal on dealing with it and holding it for long term. Once you are really that dealing with meme coins then you should know on when to get in and when to get out asap.

SPeaking or talking back about holding top 10 altcoins wouldnt assure out success unless if you do go all in with Bitcoin alone but with having those top 10 altcoins then we cant be sure
on where or what coins would be staying and which one would really be kicked out on ranking.

I think a good strategy is to hold the top 10 rankings, a large market cap and reaching more than $ 5 billion is safer, of course we need other strategies, for example we have to be patient and not panic when there is a decline, as long as we can be patient to hold then we have the opportunity to earn big profits.

I think the best way to start investing in anything is to look at your financial goals. No one can tell when a currency will turn lower so I think investing in bitcoin is a better strategy than holding the top 10 market cap currencies. Long term investment will give good profits if you can keep a strong hand and don't panic to sink $2 always join the bitcoin community. You don't necessarily have to buy the whole coin, you can buy bitcoins and monitor it, and you can always add at any time.

From face value it looks like the strategy does not work...However, if you were to compare entry points over 2 - 4 years, you will see that in this period of time that you can't lose. Unfortunately, DCA'ing $1-$10 might not help you to achieve astounding wealth like 2020 and beforehand. There is still opportunity though. DCA $50-$500 a week diversified into the top 10-20 will still yield fantastic returns over the next 2-3 years.

So, is holding top 10 market cap coins a good tactic? In the long run, definitely. The better tactic is to dollar-cost average weekly in addition to long-term holding.

Each trader has their own strategy, as well as the top 10 coinmarketcap altcoin hold strategy,
yes that's not wrong because the top 10 have fundamentals that you can't doubt, so your investment will be safe in your wallet,
but to get a high ROI it's not possible we get there because the ROI of the top 10 is already very high.

If you want to play safe in the market going with investing in the cryptos wich has made it to the top 10 is a good idea when looking for good crypto projects with use cases, But despite the fact that those coins are in the top list does not guarantee them risk free, for instance there some coins that was ones up a time in that top 10 table but are no where to be found today, So always stick to doing your own research and invest with the money you can afford to lose.

I still don't feel it was the right decision.
Even though there is nothing wrong with that because basically it depends on the decision of everyone who is here, we must be aware that conditions like this will actually make things worse, especially for those who are just here.
Maybe indeed the top 10 can be said to be something that is really good, but of course we also have to be aware that the ranking of the top 10 does not mean that all of them can be used as tools for investment, even in this case there is only 1 that is worthy and that is the king who is always in the first position, namely bitcoin .
It doesn't matter before or now the top 10 rankings have always been a reference for some people, but when we look at the conditions in the top 10, of course we know how dangerous it is to choose an altcoin in this regard.

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Currently for the top 10 on CMC is this. two stable coins which of course we know this is not feasible. 1 coin meme with the pump and dump condition broken by influencers at number 9. The problem with the SEC that doesn't go away at number 6 and the nuisance problem for Sol and many more.
This is just a condition that is like false hope so indeed I think if long-term investing, only 1 is very feasible and it remains at number one.

Being patient and not panicking is actually not part of the strategy, even though these two things are a must for those who are holding certain cryptocurrency assets for a certain time. Meanwhile, looking at cryptocurrencies that are located at a certain rank by considering the amount of volume that has been generated is clearly included in the strategy because it is sought so that someone is not wrong in buying cryptocurrency assets, especially now that there are so many cryptocurrencies on the market which not all of them have to be considered good.

What do you mean by that? If you're still talking about strategy of investing in top 10 cryptos, then you won't be considering volume at all. Unless you intend to change the strategy and invest in the top 10 coins by volume, not by market cap. But I don't see any benefit of doing that. I get the risk of investing in low volume coins, but you won't find such in the top 10.

You can definitely doubt the fundamentals of top 10 coins. Bitconnect was once one of them. So was Luna. And those are quite recent. Back in time there were coins that didn't win the adoption game on the top.

I would say that they are aware of the risks. Most people are just investing more they can lose even if they are aware of those risks.
There are ton of gambling addicts trading and using markets as their live casino that's based on real world events.

DCA only works if your coin is not going to die. If it is you are slowly losing just more and more money.

Trying to look around about on the current number coins in the market which it doesnt really signify that all of them would fly even if we do speak about bull run. Holding top 10 altcoins doesnt assure that you could make profits but its better rather than on buying those coins/tokens which doesnt really have any real use case. The most important thing on here is that you should really set up a selling point whether you are holding top coins or not and then buyback when the bear market comes. You could really be able to utilize on making profits without the need on waiting up for long years before you could see some new all time high.
You could eventually buy more in the bottom if ever the bear market approaches. On this way, you wouldnt really be making yourself getting stressed just because of that long wait.
If you do see that holding top coins is a good tactic then it would really be your entire choice whether you would be sticking into your plan or would really be making out
some alterations if needed or something you do see as a better option to be made.

Reaching the top 10 doesn't necessarily mean that those coins can't fail, and even having a billion-dollar market capitalization doesn't guarantee asset safety. In fact, coins that have reached the top 10 and have a larger market capitalization sometimes turn out to fail people more, especially when people put much hope in them. FTX exchange token and Luna were also among coins with a billion-dollar market capitalization, but did that stop projects from facing the challenges before them? he Top 10 reduces the amount of risk we should worry about, but it doesn't actually guarantee anything negative won't happen to one's investment. We just have to be careful and still watch our invested tokens or coins closely, irrespective of which coins or tokens they are, so that we can stop losing before it becomes too late.

Agree, top 10 or top 5 does not guarantee those projects will be safe and always profitable. Let's look back and see where the top altcoins like EOS, LISK, and BCH... have disappeared. I haven't even seen anyone mention them, let alone profit. Investing in altcoins, old or new, is gambling and potentially risky. Always research and analyze before investing, and do not be too subjective with high-capitalization projects.

Not only does your coin not die, but also your coin should generally be trending up by the time that you want to cash out.. or at least to potentially also be able to hold its value at a price that would have had been higher than the average price that you ended up buying into it.

I would imagine that there are going to continue to exist an overwhelming majority of zombie coins or quasi-zombie coins that generally are dying or going to die.... and having ongoing downward spiraling of their prices, adoption and use-cases - absent their ability to figure out some kind of a use case or to prevent themselves from going into such status... surely many coins already try to market themselves on the impression that they either have a current or a future use case, and so sometimes they are able to keep up some aspects of their price and/or the appearances that they are not a downwardly spiraling project.

Bitcoin is not exempt from such consideration - and surely part of the reason that bitcoin remains valuable (and perhaps one of the only valuable cryptos) is because it has been envisioned and create in such a way that emphasizes the sound money angle and resilience to attack that continues to build and to be reinforced through ongoing building of its network effects (largely those seven outlined by Trace Mayer in 2015 (https://nakamotoinstitute.org/mempool/the-seven-network-effects-of-bitcoin/)).. Surely there can be various shitcoins that continue to survive, even with bitcoin as the strongest and soundness of monies - because it could take decades and maybe even into the hundreds of years for value to really gravitate and to be pegged on bitcoin or some kind of a coin/project that would need to take over bitcoin's network effects in such a way that it would need to be something in the neighborhood of 10x better in order to actually take over the king.

So what I am suggesting is that if bitcoin is not able to continue on its current trajectory in terms of being the soundest of monies and ongoingly resilient to attack, then bitcoin could also end up as a downwardly spiraling project in terms of its price, and that would be the argument (and likely minority scenario) against investing into BTC and DCAing into it... which so far does not seem to be the case that bitcoin is anything other than one of the best of bets (if not the best) that is currently available in terms of front-loading and continuing to invest into it (asymmetric bet to the upside).. in these likely early days of its adoption... and the main precautions would be to NOT overdo the aggressiveness of your approach towards investing into bitcoin and to stay focused on where the value is at (instead of getting distracted by crap imitator coins and the bitcoin wannabes that are in the top 10 and throughout the coinmarket cap of top coins - absent some short-term reasons to hold or play with some of those coins for spending, trading and short-term gambling purposes rather than long-term investing purposes that should mostly emphasize accumulating and holding bitcoin and perhaps diversifying into some other assets for the purposes of riding volatility - which also could involve a certain amount of stable coins too.. and likely some assets outside of the bitcoin space such as equities, commodities, property or other ways to hold wealth that might fit with your lifestyle and aspirations) so that any of us is able to stay in the game of building our bitcoin stash and continuing to have bitcoin down the road rather than getting tricked or forced out of the understanding that bitcoin remains the king and there is no other asset or currency that even comes close to it in terms of having a strong, resilient and future-oriented investment thesis.


To me it sounds like a real losing strategy to both dilute your bitcoin investment by getting distracted into various top 10 cryptos, including having ideas to value them as if they were something like bitcoin and to contemplate buying more of them on dips, as if they were like bitcoin.

Sure, if you assess something (like bitcoin) to have fundamental value, then you buy on dips and you engage in various strategies to increase your holdings (of something like bitcoin), but if you categorize all top 10 in the same way as you are categorizing bitcoin, then you are both diluting your bitcoin investment and you may well end up losing a shit ton of money, especially if you were to engage in some kind of an equal distribution.. such as using 1/10th of your periodic investment cashflow to buy each of the shitcoins in the top 10 (not referring to bitcoin as a shitcoin, just the others)...and by the way, I don't have any problem with figuring out ways to go in and out of stable coins, as if they were pegged to the dollar (and hoping that they do not lose their peg), but stable coins are not an asset that you should expect to gain value over time, but instead to be losing value at the same expected rate of the dollar - and hopefully not losing more than that (but having perhaps more liquidity options than the dollar - and thus perhaps some greater utility than the dollar).

One thing I have noticed about altcoins is that, every year, there's always a replacement for the already-existing shitcoins. It's likely that those failed projects in the previous year have abandoned the project and created a new one with a different name so that people will not realize it's them, and while people don't notice that it's just the same shitcoin project that scammed them the previous year, they still get convinced to invest in the same old project that has just resurfaced with a different name, road map, vision, and mission, which they will still end up abandoning and creating another project in another year.

What I always say to anyone who wants to invest in altcoins is that he or she should just have it in their mind that putting their money into altcoins is as risky as gambling, which is a game of luck. It doesn't matter whether it's an old coin or a new token; altcoins are just what they are.

Exactly but this don't just happen with old or dead projects, it's a continuous process for centralized token/project owners like what they do is create something from the beginning make names out of it, one successful projects and people are already looking up to them, and when you such big hype coming, and your already existing project which have a great potential might seems to have reached the profit limit the developer was expecting, instead of a continuous actions and progressive upgrade on its network what they do is leave the current project at it's current level and propose something new which they will claim to have a different purpose which one token could have solved entirely this is just to create new token and request for finds which will go into their private pocket, and most people usually fall victims of such project thinking is something they are going to make huge profit out of it, not seeing the scam scheme behind all of that.

A typical example of such an act is Tron and its entire foundation; either they directly create a new token or they will indirectly and publicly fund a new project under its network, owing the highest share of the project and attracting potential victims to their new project.

I agree with you but literally not everyone wants to have investment only on Bitcoin and considering the fact that some new or old investors might be looking into diversifying their crypto portfolios which is part of the game, So despite all odds it's more preferable to deal with the devil you know than the angel you do not know, at least this coins did something that brought them up the table and in the case of diversification I would prefer choosing one or two coins from the top 10 that meets my research.

What you say is absolutely true, that's how the altcoin market works, but I think many people don't realize it. And that is also why I always advise people not to invest in old altcoins, no matter how potent they are, newer projects will replace them in the next bull season. I don't hate someone investing in altcoins because it actually has a higher return potential than bitcoin. If they are interested in investing in altcoins, I always encourage people to stay away from old altcoins when the bear season comes and choose newer projects. Altcoins are only suitable for short-term investment and, once profitable, never reinvest and think they have long-term potential. It's all just gambling and money games.

Fuck shitcoins.

it does not matter if they are old or new, and I think that is part of the point that Dr.Bitcoin_Strange was making.

You want to get in on the new scam that is just like the old scam, except that you realize that it "might" have pumpamentals because it is new?  What a dumb way to think about how to invest your time, energies and capital - especially, when you have a new and emerging quality asymmetric investment like bitcoin staring you in the face in which it is likely the greatest peace-time transfer of wealth is going to continue to take place, and you want to fuck around with shitcoins rather than trying to learn about and focusing on the king?  You are likely never going to even learn what is bitcoin (or even build a meaningful bitcoin position) if you are so distracted into chasing the next scam (merely because it happens to be the latest and greatest "new" scam). 

Good luck with chasing scams, and/or believing that their is value in looking at the top 10 or the top 100 coins, instead of focusing on bitcoin, you are likely going to need a lot of luck if you think like that and follow through with actions in accordance with that kind of lack of focus thinking.

Most trackers are capital based in bias which would mean mostly BTC is held by far anyway.    If you had the tracking to constantly update and alter that bias before closing to the highest volume hours that might be a tool worth having then and deploying.    Most of us will be inaccurate and I wouldn't want to hold all of the top10 coins equally as I dont think this will perform well enough to justify holding some of the losers vs the winners in that group though 10 is small its going to involve loss of some.

The terrible thing is that every certain cycle the Top 10 altcoins always alternate with new ones, some are due to bankruptcy, stagnant development, old technology, fraud, weak network security, or other things that have problems with the development and running of technology on the altcoin network, which makes investors lose money on altcoins as before, even though basically the market capitalization is quite large, but it is not a guarantee that the money invested in the development of altcoin projects can get benefits in coin diversification.
Even if there are people who do it, I think it's the same as gambling, even though they have done research in many ways and found a conviction to invest in the project.
But this returns to each one, because of a decision that is taken by you, you alone will get the profit or loss, but never doubt bitcoin, which has always been top 1 to this day and has never been replaced and never will be.

The top 10 coinmarketcap isn't as good as long, if you look at the chart of the top 10,
such as Ethereum, XRP, Matic, BNB and ADA all have very high ROI,
and are you sure you want to invest in one that already has a high ROI? 
in my opinion it's better to look for altcoins that still have low ROI because the risks we will accept are also much smaller.

Often the top 10 coins have been exchanged for other coins. I think we should turn to altcoins that will provide more returns. The thing we need to pay attention to is to invest in an amount that we will not be upset when we lose. After all, we take risks. We can also invest in the top 10 coins, but it has to be at a certain level. I have always loved making baskets. That's why I don't invest most of my money in a single coin.

Different coins can be stars in the new bull run. Coins that have previously provided significant returns may not always yield profits. Although they have proven themselves. I think the ranking in the top 10 will change. Therefore, it is necessary to analyze the market well.

Altcoins with low ROI also have other risks which can also be very dangerous for investors or traders in the short and long term, because the altcoins you mentioned and which you think have high ROI are altcoins which are still very much in demand so far the possibility to remain in the market is always greater than new altcoins or altcoins whose ROI is still low so the possibility to disappear from market circulation is far greater.

The top 10 coinmarketcap is indeed not always the same every year and every time there is a change in the top 10 positions in coinmarketcap, it indicates that there is an altcoin that is in great demand by many people so that the trading volume continues to increase and makes the ranking better than before, but for Ethereum, XRP, Matic, BNB and ADA, that's still good enough for everyone over thousands of other altcoins that rank way too far from them.

If you enter the crypto market and doubt bitcoin, then you better leave the market and don't invest in any other project.  because even the safest and most reliable coin that you don't trust, you are not a good fit for the market. indeed, I also disagree with the idea that investing in the top 10 will be safe and certainly profitable for us. In the altcoin market, aside from ETH, everything else is more like gambling than investing.  I believe the upcoming bull season will be similar to last season, the top coins will be replaced by newer altcoins, so we should be careful.

Of course holding top 10 rankings is the safest thing than holding at a lower level, but in my opinion the best thing to get big profits is to dare to invest in new projects, holding top 10 is safe and profitable but it takes a long time to be profitable, while new projects are more easy to profit 10x even 100x within a year.

What kind of new project? shitcoin or meme coin that just makes it a pump and dump by implication?
I wouldn't have a problem with people doing it but on the other hand it is precisely with this state of mind that you will be a little lost in my opinion.
It's not an investment if you can say but it's like gambling because you just want to be in a new project with the hope that it will be pumped in such a way as to get a lot of profit in a short time. it does sound exciting because you just need to be there and leave when you get the profit. But on the other hand, you should have another thought because such projects have a much greater degree of danger.
The profit you get is only a small part of the many scams that exist in a new project and you will get that profit also includes your momentum whether it is right or not in looking for an unclear project like this because if you are wrong just a little in the research done indirectly you will lose the money you invested. I think such conditions are not too worth it to do.
Instead of that, I'd rather be in something more promising and of course bitcoin is the most promising place to be compared to what you're doing with a new project.
Even though in this case the risk is also definitely there because indeed we cannot be here without risk but the comparison is quite far when in bitcoin and in shitcoin like that.

Holding the top 10 cryptocurrency means it'll make the portfolio stronger. Even with this kind of portfolio people experience loss which is normal. As the market is highly volatile no one is specific on the price movement. It all depends on our way of risk management as well as the ability to hold with patience. Most of the time the disappointment with top cryptocurrency holding happens while getting more greedy as well as with situations when we have the plan to be rich in the short term. For this people keep on switching between different assets. For long term profit expectation top 10 cryptocurrency is a best choice, considering the 20k+ cryptocurrencies available in the market.

The second anybody mentions investing & hodling in the top 10 coins , what comes to mind is playing it safe!
If you looking for less risky and less volatile coins this is the right place to look, but if you want higher rewards with a touch of risk...then you need to look beyond the top ranked coins, probably go even beyond top 100 coins to catch the perfect storm!!
Btw history has shown that over the years, months or week coins with the best positives(Return on Income ) usually come from the little known coins as these have low liquidity, cheaper to buy and whales will be out to buy such as they will have much control of how these small coins behave.

Right on the surface, that's a pretty dumb statement Vaskiy.

You know what the statement sounds like?

"Diversify for the mere sake of diversifying"

And,

"if you do not know what or how to diversify, then just pick the top 10 because it seems like the top 10 might be a good idea"

 :D :D :D :D :D :D

what a bunch of baloney to proclaim picking the top 10 just makes a lot of sense.


Volatility is a feature rather than a bug..

At least when it comes to bitcoin, and all of the other coins follow king daddy bitcoin, so in the sense that bitcoin is inevitably going to be volatile, then so are the various other coins (top 10 or otherwise) going to be volatile as well - and probably even more volatile than the king.


Yes.  That's the right assessment to make when it comes to bitcoin, but that same assessment does not apply to the whole top 10 coins, merely because they happen to be next to the king.

In other words, don't get your potentially correct assessment of bitcoin mixed up and then apply that same assessment to shitcoins because it does not work for shitcoins (whether the top 10 or not)... Such assessment only works for bitcoin.. so maybe that's what is causing you confusion to believe that you can make the same assessment that you make for bitcoin to various shitcoins merely because they happen to be in the top 10 or to appear as if they are next to bitcoin, when they are in fact merely garbage and most likely to be affinity scams rather than having any actual fundamental and/or meaningful value.


Consider just focusing on bitcoin rather than getting distracted into nonsense, and then you will become even MOAR smarter.

You are already suffering from the same fallacious "wanna get rich quick" thinking because you seem to believe that "bitcoin is not enough."


Yes.  Your thinking on the topic seems to be as gobbledy-gook and muddied as Vaskiy's. 

Good luck with that lack of focus, when you think that you "are focused" because you are purportedly "playing it safe!".. hahahahahha


You will need it.

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The dynamics of each period is different and investing in the top 10 coins is not a rational tactic. If you are new to the market and do not know anything about the market, you can try thisbut this experiment should not be long. My investments that i would make blindly in the market for many years would be Bitcoin and Ethereum. If you had started investing when Ethereum was not in the top 10, your life would have changed completely. I mean if you find and invest in a coin with a dazzling project and action, with a good team and a solid plan, apart from the top 10 coins your life can change in the coming years. The top 10 coins in the years 2015-2017-2021 are as in the image. If you had invested in the top 10 coins in 2015, your profit would probably have been less than your loss. If you want to dive into the top 10 now stay of Bitcoin and Ethereum.

We enter into crypto market and  it indicates that there is an altcoin that is in great demand by many people so that the trading volume continues to increase and makes the ranking better than before and then you need to look beyond the top ranked coins, probably go even beyond top 100 coins to catch the perfect storm!!
Btw history has shown that over the years, months or week coins with the best positives Return on Income usually come from the little known coins as these have low liquidity .

I think it is a very good tactic than holding a coin that is new and not listed on CMC or in coingecko, CMC is a very good apps to track a coiin to know the records the marketcap etc., So if we are buying a top 10 listed coin CMC that is more secure than a new coin but still we need to take care because many coins are deleted on cmc for some reason always DYOR.

TOP 10 altcoins such as Doge, Ethereum, Ripple, Polygon, Solana, and Binance already have very high ROI,
and the possibility of dumping is far greater than other altcoins, moreover some of the top 10 altcoins like Solana, Ripple and Binance are having problems,
and marketcap is also likely to go down and cause a dump on the altcoin, so choosing with DYOR and wisely is important.

That depends if the new project start from over valuated marketcap or not. i've seem many projects only coming down from their starting valuation like ICP . People somehow keep investing to projects that have too high cap from the start. They are never going to learn.

Playing safe has a whole new meaning in crypto. Anyone who comes from tradtional markets doesn't see any of this as "safe". Maybe after another 10 years people will see this field as fairly normal and mature coins as "safe", or we are living the last golden days of crypto and this will be all over somehow.

Not sure what do you mean by this. Whether the RoI is high (or positive) would depend on the point of entry. If you bought at ath your RoI will be negative and definitely not "very high". I think you meant that they've already achieved high market caps.


How so? Why exactly is the risk greater than for other altcoins (which is a very broad term and includes coins literally created for a pump-and-dump purpose)?

In the current situation, I think the word "DYOR" is too much of a last resort to make things that are actually risky seem normal.
For example, when in Shitcoin and getting instant profits there we always say that it is a very good thing when following the hype and maximizing profits there but on the other hand when we are trapped in that, of course the same reason continues to repeat itself and is considered normal because of the word "DYOR".
Even if it does say that as a reminder that we should research further but that doesn't mean it can be used for all conditions I think.
Being in shitcoin many times and continuing to fail as if everything is okay because of DYOR I think it really becomes a condition where everything seems to repeat itself and those who do it never understand and learn further that being there only costs time, energy and money. The high expectation of the shitcoin pump sometimes always blinds the eyes that something like this even though I wouldn't say this is wrong but I think it's a little bit inappropriate.

This situation is directly proportional to the expectation of the person. How many x can a coin that has entered the top 10 and proven itself can do in total. If a certain amount of increase is enough for the investor and does not want to take too much risk, he may prefer these coins. Such investors can split their money to buy certain coins. I give an example; Let them allocate 60% of their money for the top 10 coins, and the remaining 40% for lower ranks or new projects. I think it makes more sense this way. Every investor should act with their own decisions, so I don't think I will buy all the top 10 coins directly.

In order to catch large increases, as you said, the coins after the first 100 can also be looked at.

You seem to be so close o48o - yet also so far.

The safest asset in "crypto" is bitcoin.. there is nothing even close - even though various shitcoins might pump and dump around the price of bitcoin, there are no fundamentals to give the various shitcoins value beyond how they are pumping around bitcoin and how they are tied to bitcoin, even if they might have some short-term periods in which they pump more than bitcoin...

And the other thing is that you are likely correct that people who have traditional wealth are struggling to figure out where to place various aspects of their value, whether it is in equities, property, commodities, bonds (and cashlike products) and crypto.. and within the classification of crypto, there is likley no need to go beyond bitcoin .. even though surely there are folks who want to diversify for the mere sake of diversification and they might believe that there could be some value to diversify in within crypto when there is no real need to go through such additional diversification since bitcoin already captures the space and already provides whatever possible (and likely) lack of correlation to those other markets - even when a lot of people get confused in regards to the extent to which bitcoin is correlated to those other markets or not, which largely seems to be a failure to zoom out and a failure to understand bitcoin.. ..

So maybe there could be some smart people who might figure out ways that value might come from diversifying beyond bitcoin within the crypto space, and likely they would have just gotten lucky rather than really seeing where the value is at and where you want to put your wealth (at least the crypto portion of your investment portfolio) which is likely almost exclusively into bitcoin - except maybe some small ventures into some other shitcoins that might be seen as a kind of outlier possibility.. and may or may not be in the top 10 of coins if there might be some ways that they might be considered to be something to include whether on a shorter time line or maybe even a longer timeline. .

....but it would likely best to be quite judicious in terms of making choices beyond bitcoin and for sure there are some interesting attacks going on in recent times that contribute to quite a bit of uncertainty regarding more banks to go down or even more banking relations (whether in bitcoin or crypt) or even delisting of coins on exchanges that could cause exchanges to shut down or to relocate or even to rug pull users during these kinds of times... so of the outcomes could relate to things that might actually happen, but sometimes there can be contagion and snowballing that merely comes from things that are thought could happen.


DYOR should translate into figure out bitcoin your bitcoin strategy first before even considering investing into shitcoins, and if you invest into any shitcoin, be really sparing in regards to the shitcoin(s) that you choose.. and perhaps some DYOR might help, to the extent that pumpamentals can even be figured out - if anyone is investing based on pumpamentals.. or if they come to the conclusion that some kind of a shitcoin has long term staying power and they have a possible long term investment into that shitcoin based on its ability to have long term staying power, and yeah if a lot of shitcoins are being invested into, then surely it might not be possible (or easy, or practical) to DYOR on each of the coins, so we likely realize that people are not really engaging in DYOR... especially if they have not even figured out bitcoin first, because if they figure out bitcoin first, they may well realize that they do not need to DYOR on various scam projects that are in the space (whether in the top 10 or further down the CMC list of shitcoins).


Oh gawd.. lots of dilution in your various proposed possible strategies there eightdots.  Sounds pretty dumb to go beyond buying one or two coins, besides bitcoin, but hey whatever, normies have their theories and their ways to make sure that they ensure that they continue to persist in their condition of having fun staying poor.

When talking of investment sometimes I sees it to be as something we don't really planned for it but rather wanting to invest since the news around keeps flying coin z is doing well so people who are easily attracts with much profits would eventually dive into without taking an appropriate measure or to determines if they could bear the lost when the investment turned against.

Sometimes we can classify investment to be a 50/50 game because you and I might not foresee the future of the project but we are only and always optimistic of being positive that something good would come out of the project, and if it happens that it doesn't go according to how we planned and predicted possibly ran into lose then the slogan of "DYOR" takes effects without knowing and people thinking that something like this is inevitable and may happened to anyone out there.

Psychology of you (me) making profits in any investment is so uncertain why because you don't have a vision eyes to see the next hour or what tells about the next person in singular relation to what they may harness whatever they have ventured into as investment.
usually, when it goes in a wrong way people might think and thought one is lagging behind what it should know about related project or coin they have decided to venture into as called of investment, that is why as for me when passing info or conveying some information to any relatives the first thing that usually usher from me is bitcoin is the best alternatives but investing in altcoin is not secured and guaranteed for any reason so, chose wisely and do not let others known about your failures.

I have came to witnessed those who are being moved and controlled by hype and over washed media influencers who are eagerly there attract investors probably being paid for such silly acts without knowing that newly investors are entrapped for a self gain and profits to increased maximization of wide spread of the project to hit the targeted audience. The better people start thinking straight about altcoin and shitcoin the better they stopped making losses but what happened is that, people never cease to share good testimonies about project why because they are fortunate enough to have gotten the information on time to have invested before others that's why those who invested lately are always a victim of leaving empty token them while some people calls it lost of investment that always results "DYOR".

Investing in coins in the top 10 ranking is risky already because investment is not without a risk. There is no guarantee that the top 10 coins will remain the top 10 coins after 365days. But the risk is reasonably manageable than investing in top 100 coins. In the top100 coins, investments there I rather call it gambling than investment because as you said above, they have low liquidity and can be manipulated easily by whales which will make much number of X or still plunge one to huge losses.
But then, investment outside the top 100 coins is totally insane by this time.
But when the cryptocurrency market started newly, we did excellently well, but now, the project developers are something else and they have the mindset of scam even before building the project.

You are not really describing anything new... yeah sure the problem seems to be worse with some projects as compared with others in terms of whether any of the raised money ends up getting spent on actual development rather than hookers, lambos and blow.

There's a bit of a disincentive for the receivers of the money to actually development if they receive $millions and even $100s of millions without hardly any strings attached and hardly no one to hold them accountable.. to the extent that they might have had started out with actual integrity to actually try to do the thing that they said that they were going to do with the money.

That's how it should be, but sometimes it seems like DYOR is a bit of a ruse nowadays because everything feels normal even if we make mistakes over and over again just because the word DYOR seems to be a defense.
Pumpamentals  ::) I love this word lol. But when it comes to shitcoin I'm still the same as my previous view because it's not an investment but a gamble with the hope of "pumpamentals" as you said so there's no need to find a lot of excuses with the word DYOR or whatever because projects like this won't last long considering it's just hype.
In being in a coin like this with the word Investment I think it is too much because regardless it is gambling with style and DYOR there is just a classic excuse that is only an excuse when the shitcoin that is believed to be pumped does not go well.

I still feel that it is a mistake when we talk about Investment but have no prior planning.
Careful planning starting from the condition of the financial division, the target where we will start and where we will stop must be seen from the beginning because this in my opinion is like a prerequisite when we want to do it well. When doing without planning from the beginning and just entering I think it's the same as betting.

Now in this case we also have to realize that even though investment will not always go well because it is in bitcoin alone still has conditions where we are still uncertain whether it will go well or not but of course we have to see what projects we see because indeed if only projects centered on memecoin or shitcoin are getting more and more for now I still feel that there is no need for further research on this because indeed the conditions will still remain the same, namely pump and exit quickly because projects like that will not last long.

There are several points that I can get in this regard and for the first I agree with saying that we must have careful planning when investing because as you said this is how we manage our finances, of course in this case we must have good planning from the start because it would be very stupid if we did invest without any planning and preparation.
On the other hand, talking about the shitcoin discussed in this case which of course still relates to the top 10 coins there, of course we also realize that it is a condition where many people are comfortable with the coins that are there but in the end it remains the same actually bitcoin is always being the beginning and the end there is nothing else than that, as for the other numbers, even though there are many opinions, they return to conditions where this depends on themselves, although in this case the good advice is, of course, to stay in bitcoin, not with the others.

Investment is a form that has risks and whether you realize it or not, things like this cannot be changed.
As you said, just being in bitcoin for now obviously doesn't mean we will get a definite profit because indeed this is only hopeful by looking at the progress in bitcoin but that doesn't mean the possibility of profit is certain here.
Even though it's like that, of course for this it's worth it for bitcoin because we know the track record for them as for the others, especially shitcoin, it's not wrong to say it's gambling in the hope that there will be whales pumping there and of course this is not recommended but if it is still intend there I might emphasize that the word investment was omitted because indeed these are 2 different things when looking at shitcoins and saying investing there is in my opinion wrong because indeed it only depends on luck to bring them to hype not the belief that they will be profitable.

As investors we have to divide money into many types of investment types, like we know that bitcoin is already very expensive compared to others, so a good opportunity is to buy altcoins, the opportunity for altcoins to rise is 10x greater than bitcoin because most altcoins are cheap, and of course it's a good idea if we hold the top 10 rankings because it's safer.

Because it can be said that it is the initial foundation for us in starting to invest or anything related to the future that we hope for.
However, planning is important and we must always remember that a plan is one of the most vital things that must exist, even though sometimes in this case we also cannot expect it to always be good but at least as long as there is planning that we do then we will still stay on track without deviating and fixing unexpected conditions without having to start from scratch.
When indeed being in bitcoin has been planned from before with the condition that we are ready with the knowledge that we continue to learn and others that support it, of course we will be a little better than deviating from the original plan when we want to be in bitcoin but are distracted just because we see the pump in shitcoin.

I understand and I quite agree with desvirifaction it is something that is quite important but in other conditions when saying bitcoin is too expensive forever maybe you will continue to lag behind in my opinion.
Indeed in this case when looking at the price bitcoin is clearly the single most expensive when compared to the altcoins you said but that doesn't mean there is no way to buy it. We are also not required to buy 1 bitcoin or even more than that at once, therefore there are strategies that are carried out such as when we buy by means of DCA or wait in the current decline.

That's a weird take.
What do you mean Bitcoin is expensive compared to others? What metrics are you looking at? Price per coin, market cap?
If I offered you a newly created token at $0.01 each would you buy it just because it's "cheap"?
Sure, it's possible that some altcoins will go x10 or more overnight, but that will not happen for all of them (many will drop to zero and die). And unless you can predict exactly which of them will pump and when (which you can't) then, historically speaking, holding BTC is a much more profitable option, as explained somewhere at the beginning of this thread.

People would be thinking up on this kind of moment on which they would be realizing that getting x2 or x3 on Bitcoin would really be hard nowadays but come to think that we do still have that bull run and on ever 4 year cycle which means that we cant really be able to tell on how far it would really be able to achieve into those years but i cant really blame out people on looking into other alternatives on which they
would literally be finding up ways on dealing with altcoins or on other top ranking coins in the market.

Even myself do really make out some diversification on some top ranking coins on my port on which i didnt really go all in with Bitcoin. We know that diversification do really make out that kind of
possible benefit when the market do make out some bull run. We cant really be able to tell on which one would fly and which one would really be left behind.
If you do put up on the right spot then profits would be something that significant.

I have been loyal with holding to 10 marketcap coins but right now seems not good tactic, right now many bad news coming from every where and cryptocurrency easy dropped to lower price when getting bad news. Last three weeks I invested with BNB coins when price above $320 and right now dropped drastically under $230. Its my mistake when holding with top 10 marketcap coins but before investing in BNB still hold another top 10 marketcap coins but price still drop under 30%.

But not all top 10 marketcap coins is bad tactic for holding because another my holding Ethereum success raise to higher price, my investment entry with ETH when price drop on $1,200 and still hold right now waiting for back to all time high price. Do your own research when holding with top 10 marketcap coins before have wrong tactic which one potential coins have to hold and not.

Holding a coin which is at a strong fundamental level or strong market capitation is absolutely not in doubt, whether it's bnb or eth or any other coin that is top 50 cmc, of course there's nothing to worry about friends. The downward rally has become a normal thing and I don't think you need to worry because bnb will definitely go up again this year or next year and the current decline is the effect of falling btc prices. Coins that have strong fundamentals like bnb, of course, their price movements follow the price of btc.

Yes, I also hold a few coins for now, but I don't feel that things are burdened in my mind about this decline because I am accumulating coins in the DCA way and I'm sure that one day the price of the coins we buy will have a significant upward rally. Well one thing that I might stay away from is coin memes because they have no development or product that would allow us to hold them in our portfolio.

It's hardly ever a good tactic. Altcoin pump is usually delayed compared to Bitcoin and alts are the first to drop. They also tend to tank harder than BTC + the composition of the top 10 keeps changing over time, so if you want to stick to this tactic, you'd have to rebalance periodically, which also generates costs/losses.
Meanwhile, despite all the bearish news, Bitcoin's dominance has risen to over 48%. I remember some experts saying around a year ago that BTC will unlikely cross 40% and that it'll be losing dominance over time.

The altcoin’s opportunity to rise is same as the opportunity to fall. I mean altcoins are very risky if we hold it in our wallet. These coins are basically millions in number, and hence they always fluctuate in price. Yes buying the top 10 coins listed can reduce the risk of getting losses, but still the risk will be equivalent to make you lose half of your money in couple of days. Bitcoins and Ethereums are according to me are the best coin for slow investment. Their marketcap is also high and we also know how the coins behave.

People can't really predict the world events and that was based on the past like every prediction. When fundamentals on some high cap alts are as bad as now, it's natural that people will focus on coins without a company or funding behind them. I recon that people will soon start to trust alts again as nothing new happens for a while. These court cases will take so much time that be might be over next bull cycle before there's any kind of result available. Which side will end up winning this is anyone's guess.

"10x"? That number is not based on anything. It's true that lower caps have more room to grow, but that only applies if they have any future to begin with. And no one knows if they do.


Depends, i remember when eth was high on the marketcap, people thought it was too high to move as much as lower caps. Turned out that there was so much room to grow and ETH ended up being the most profitable altcoin, even when it started from top. Top was relative to todays marketcap, but we don't know what the cap for highest marketcap will be.

If you're referring to the time when ETH was getting really close to Bitcoin's No. 1 position and the "flippening" looked like a probable scenario, when BTC had ~38% market dominance compared to ETH's 31% - then I have a slightly different memory of that time. I remember that had a massive positive impact on ETH's price as a lot of people, who didn't really care about ETH too much, started buying it just to hedge against the mentioned flippening (there was a huge hype around that, with flippening-watch websites popping up etc.). So I don't think that ETH's fall from that 31% was a result of people thinking the market cap was too high, but the other way around - because it was getting high, it allowed it to get even higher to the peak of 31%. But eventually, all hypes die out.

Lots had been anticipating for that situation about ETH is about to reach up BTC domination in the market but it did end up on not to happen and still bitcoin was still dominant in the market. About those altcoins

below on which it would really be having that interchangeable position on which it would really be just that normal that they would really be shuffling and of course it would really be depending on the demand.
We've seen that some of projects had been kicked out of the rank and there are ones who do able to climb up on the ladder and make themselves placed into those ranks.

Good tactic? Possible because most of those projects placed on the top ranks are good ones. Although this market had suffered extreme correction but still these coins do able
to hold up their position which does simply shows that they are really that indeed a good project which does have strong support and other fundamentals.

Maybe for others that's a good tactic, but for me it can be the others that are in the top 10, I agree that it's really good to hold in the long-term. But not everything is okay for me. Because in my opinion there is nothing in the top 10 that is better to hold than those.

And for sure what I think and do, they may be doing and thinking too. Because there are many other altcoins in this industry that they also think can provide better profits in the future, although there is risk, but the investors who do this will definitely be willing to take a risk here.

Most people only hold 2 or 3 coins so when market conditions are red like last week of course it makes asset values continue to decrease, as an investor who focuses on cryptocurrencies I suggest holding lots of coins, of course there are lots of altcoins that we can choose from and I think hold top 10 ranking even though it is safe but difficult to profit from, investing in new projects is also a very profitable option.

Logically holding coins that have a large marketcap is of course safer than holding new projects, as investors of course we understand this strategy, for security of course holding top 10 rankings is a safe and profitable option, but we have to be patient and wait a long time to be able to get profit when we hold the top 10 ranking.

By that logic, isn't holding top 5 a better option than holding top 10. And top 3 better than top 5? And top 1 better than top 3?

Again, holding BTC only was so far more profitable than top 10 and that's not even including losses on rebalancing of the portfolio, which are greater when there is a lot of action/changes in the top 10.

Holding of top 10 marketcap coins is both, good and bad tactic. For example, Profit-wise, we can talk about coin called Polygon or Matic. This coin is a coin that actually solves the problem and is useful, unlikely Dogecoin or Shiba or Pepe.
So, if one was looking at top 10 marketcap coins back in 2020, that person would miss Matic. If we check the price history of Matic, we will clearly see that this coin went roughly from 0.02 to 2 USD in value, with 100x rise in price. This is an amazing, enormous profit. One can't get such a big profit from top 10 coinmarketcap coins because they are already saturated.

Good tactic if you want to invest safely and comfortable,
because big marketcap is hard to dump without bad news and of course you can't expect up to 2x pump in the short term either,
but if you want to have more profit then you have to be brave enough to invest in low cap projects .

What I feel is the same, when we hold the top 10 rankings of course the price is very slow to increase, it might take a year for us to be able to enjoy profits, another thing that is easier for us to get profits is investing in new projects, I once invested in meme coins with $ 10 and was able to sell for $125 in 3 weeks.

Yes, that's right, the best tactic is to invest in types of crypto that already have a large market cap, as we know that the top 10 have a market cap of more than $ 6 billion, so that makes us optimistic that they will continue to grow, but I also like to invest in new projects because the profit potential can reach 10x even more in a year.

Safety and comfortable are highly relative terms. It tells a lot about cryptocurrencies that those terms would never apply to any crypto for someone coming from traditional markets.
And i don't think that their ex trad market peers are considering them "brave", going in high cap cryptos, but reckless. Or at least it used to be so.

Maybe cryptos are now more socially acceptable, but they are still gererally considered as dangerous investment. Which makes me think what they would call someone investing into microcaps or nfts.

In general, everyone is united in the same thought. Those who want security have invested in coins with a high market value, but this does not bring much profit. Those who are risky and want to make a lot of profit prefer other coins. Sometimes my opinion may change. 10x with more risk or 2x with less risk? I ask myself this question and invest accordingly. Generally, my answer to this question changes and I diversify my investment accordingly.

I'm not too brave to invest in low-capitalized projects because considering that the risk is not low and the guarantee of profit is also uncertain. So I would prefer an investment that has a slightly higher level of security, as in the example of a coin or token that already has a large market capitalization, even though the profit is not that big, it will always be beneficial if there are always profits from coins or tokens with a large market capitalization.

I still consider it too risky to choose new projects for investment, because personally I prefer tactics that are safe and also not too risky even if only with a small profit. Because I see some people who have lost with new projects, they always find it difficult to get back up which may be due to their own exhaustion after experiencing a loss. Besides, I haven't found any new projects that have great potential to be profitable so far.

I also prefer the safe way of considering older and proven projects. The newer ones are riskier but there's no problem if you've made a research about it and you think they're fine.

But for me, with bunch of experiences in investing into many projects. It's hard to know the real ones and those that are just there made for hype and you'll eventually be the one that's gonna be stuck in the middle of it hoping if there will be some recovery or none.

Which old projects do you think would be safe? In my opinion, besides bitcoin, ETH or maybe add BNB are old projects that are both safe and profitable. For the rest, I find them all the same and even riskier than new projects. I no longer see anyone mentioning altcoins like EOS, LISK, and Namecoin... the top coins of the 2017 bull season, and most of them have been replaced by more potential altcoins like Sol, Near, and Avax...And I think history will repeat itself when we have many potential projects like OP, ZK, APT, and ARB...they will most likely replace the topcoins of the 2021 bull season. Therefore, the risk of investing in altcoins is the same.

There are some projects that are safe enough to invest in altcoins and that's ETH and BNB the rest they can look at others that have more potential.
The old coins mentioned have been shifted for the current trend they are sinking because some investors are leaving now, and now every new project becomes hype it makes them able to stay in the top 20 maybe also because the ecosystem is more developed compared to EOS which looks more abandoned by the ecosystem.

Well, there's always a period in every cycle when it's bullish because they also want to try to shift some other coins, don't be surprised if there are new ones later when these coins will go down as a sequence of coins from before.

Indeed investing in the top 10 coinmarektcap altcoins can be said to be safe, but we cannot talk about 100% safe,
because there have been many cases of bankruptcy in the top altcoins,
you better have a diversification strategy in the top altcoins, medium cap, and low cap, because if you can use this strategy,
you can get a higher profit than you invest in just 1 top altcoin.

I'd be hesitant to call them safe. Both are heavily reliant on their development teams and promises of future developments. With all my sympathy to the Binance team, they are getting some serious beatings from regulators in US and Europe, and if they lose those markets, their trade levels will crumble, which will have a big negative effect on the price of BNB.
Ethereum is only as strong as its utility. If some other chain is proven to be faster, cheaper and better - there will be no real need to keep using ETH. We've already seen other chains taking a big portion of Ethereum's lunch.
And both chains are still at risk of being declared as securities by SEC.

There's no such thing about safe because we know that this market is really that unpredictable and there's no way that you could really make out some assurance that you would really be that profitable when the bull run time comes. If you could be able to handle out such risks then its your choice and if you do have that sufficient fund or money which you could put or invest then go ahead.

Its none others business if you would really be having that kind of decision on which you would really be taking considering that market is really that truly unpredictable where outcomes and results arent something
that you could really be able to know on whats ahead. Good tactic? Maybe yes or no and there's no such thing that would really be able to know on what are the coins would stay and which one would
be climbing up on the ladder on which it is really that truly a gamble i would say if you do accumulate with the current top #10 coins in the market.

Diversification is always been that suggestable when it comes to investment but doesnt mean that you should really be that careless or not minding much about the risks.

I've got a few but I don't wanna make it look like a shill.

In fairness of those that you've mentioned, they're considerably good as old projects not those, eos, lisk and namecoin. Well, these three are really old and just as you've said, it's likely that they're gone out of the market and even if they're still there at sort of top. Maybe its development have been laggy.

We will see but one thing is gonna be sure when the bull run comes, many of these will pump.

Honestly, apart from bitcoin being an investment worth holding for the long term, the rest of us should not invest for a long time. The cryptocurrency industry is an emerging industry and what it offers is just a financial playing field, it has not brought any real value yet. I mean, there's not a single project to be put into practice, it's all just token sales, pumping, and dumping to make a profit. So when investing in altcoins, we should only invest one season, when the new bull season comes, we should find newer ones to invest in.

That trues, not has second chance for altcoin pumping and good choose take profit before altcoin going drop, its not fault when investing in bitcoin but looks holding for long term although with top 10 marketcap coins is not recommended. Who can't predict with Luna coin network drop drastically although stand as top 10 marketcap coins but they can stable on higher price and dropped drastically.
One season investment is worth for altcoin and seems difficult for going up later, take profit before loss opportunity when bitcoin going drop and buy back later after price have going drop but its not really recommended investing in some altcoin have ended with pumping moment.

None of them are "safe". If there would be safe coins this would be very boring place without any volatility.

Most of them do, even dead ones rise like zombies to moon for a while. That's quite problematic for newcomers. They don't necessarily see the difference between active projects and total crap that's near death. Many of them see them as good tokens as they are only looking at the chart gains. Meanwhile bagholders that have DCAing them for years shill them for an exit pump