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As I've seen the news[1] about Ash Ketchum(main character) of Pokemon became the very best. All of those folks that have watched the series when they're young understands the first lyrics of its intro song. "I wanna be the very best". So, it was after 25 years when he became a Pokemon World Champion.
Little did I know, when I've watched the highlight[2] of the final battle of Ash. The video's subtitle was on and to my surprise Ash was called "Satoshi" by his opponent. Seriously, for that long, I didn't know that Ash = Satoshi in the original language of the series. Yes, I've got no idea for the whole existence of this anime until I've read that subtitle.

So, in theory, is it possible that Satoshi Nakamoto got the alias from Ash Ketchum in original japanese name of the protagonist and watched the series and derived that first name and just added the surname Nakamoto from somewhere else as reference too?

This could be a kiddy stuff for most but what do you think?


References:
[1] After 25 Years, Ash Ketchum Finally Becomes Pokemon World Champion (https://www.cnet.com/tech/gaming/after-25-years-ash-ketchum-finally-becomes-pokemon-world-champion/)
      https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Ash_Ketchum

Image source:
[2] Ash VS Leon Final Battle - Pokemon World Championship Eng Sub (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vtPb7kD-VTI)

https://talkimg.com/images/2023/07/04/SewXv.png (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vtPb7kD-VTI)

    

Since the episodes are on Youtube, is it possible that the subtitles are just wrong?

It's also very possible that Satoshi is meaningless. Now, that's probably not the case since humans of creatures of habit, and we usually has a bias when choosing names, passwords, and all that. So, quite possibly it was to do with Pokemon, but just because there's somewhat of a correlation, doesn't mean that's the case. I'm not familiar with Pokemon enough to verify your claims, but if that is the case I imagine that "Satoshi" is quite a popular name in Japan. Since, Ashley is a fairly popular name.

Also, I think Pokemon probably has more adult followers than kids these days due to its age.

Yes, it's possible that the other translations are wrong but I've looked for other videos and they're telling the same name for Ash in Japanese version, Satoshi.

I think you're right that it's a popular name in Japan with regards to masculine for men. But I've just thought of it that maybe there's a relation to it since it's a popular anime ever since.

True, after more than 2 decades, most of its fans and followers have grown up.

Well, in the world of many twists and turns, the possibility that the name Satoshi can be derived from Pokemon can really be there. Having said that, I think this is just another theory among many candidates and nobody can be sure which is the fact unless the real Satoshi Nakamoto will surface and will shed light to everything related to him, the blockchain and Bitcoin. For entertainment purposes though to pique our interest, maybe this pass well. Now, let's assume that the name was taken from Pokemon character...so what's next?

There are a lot of theories about why someone chose the pseudonym "Satoshi Nakamoto", but I have to admit that I can't remember anyone connecting him with Pokemon. Each possibility has some chance of being correct, although in many discussions it has already been concluded that the name Satoshi is very common in Japan, and once in some reports from the Second World War I found a person whose name was exactly that.

Very interesting conspiracy theories can be constructed from some of the meanings of those words.

we are in the field of pure speculation.
 it is possible that his name has this origin but I find it rather unlikely for several reasons... Otherwise we dont know of he was really japanese ... ::)
I don't think we'll ever know why he chose this name, he's one of those mysteries that will probably stay with us for life :(

It doesn't mean they mentioned satoshi they really know him, Satoshi is japanese name so most provably there are so many individual people was named on that word and its common name on japan so there's not surprising if a TV show will mention the name Satoshi since its not a coincidence to happen in TV programs. It will be different if they mention about bitcoin and its creator since for sure they are pointing him on that accurately.

Probably, but unlikely. As far as I know Satoshi is a pretty common Japanese name, so saying that Satoshi is a fan of Pokemon just because he picked that name is just like saying Theymos automatically likes thermoses.

I don't think it is related to that. Satoshi is a common masculine name in Japanese if I'm not mistaken, but they have different meaning, depends on the character you are going to use when writing the name. Satoshi Nakamoto could mean the exact same thing that google says;


or it could mean a lot of things we don't know that might too far from the name itself.

It could be fun topic for casual discussion. But honestly i'll just refer to this answer https://bitcoin.stackexchange.com/a/83891 (https://bitcoin.stackexchange.com/a/83891) when people talking about possible meaning/source of "Satoshi Nakamoto" in Japanese.


Doesn't youtube ban pirated content (whether it's hollywood movie, western tv show or anime) these days? Without checking the video, i expect the video comes from legal channel/uploader which should have accurate subtitle.

Wish you had developed some sort of conspiracy with strong arguments trying to prove what you are saying.  Like finding some Pokemon references in the Whitepaper or in Satoshi's posts.  Otherwise, this is pure and vague speculation.  Make it more entertaining and this might become one of the biggest Satoshi conspiracies!

Seriously though.  Satoshi is just Satoshi.  Considering it remains one of the biggest anonymous personalities in history, chances are their real name was not Satoshi Nakamoto nor were they Japanese.  And since he never wanted to disclose his identity in any kind of way, it is unlikely he chose this name because he loves Pokemon.  I for one would not link my anonymous personality to my passions and obsessions.  Except for privacy, which I am going to talk about on the forum all day long anyway.

Satoshi knew what he was doing very well and calculated each and every step of theirs precisely.

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satoshi is not an uncommon name in japan

so satoshi name origins could be something else, and most probably is. because just saying it must be pokemon is like saying burnt wood is named after the main character of pokemon(ash)

its like someone trying to derive where my username came from by just lame searching the most famous reference of someone called frank

however for instance my franky username is a multi layered reason.
it stems from stamps.. (franking) which there was alot of civil dispute over stamp duty in early british-US history. which caused people to want a new economic system and a separation from british government economy..
..much the same as reasons bitcoin genesis happened.

also my forum persona is not to be a kiss ass go with the echo chamber mantra. but instead to speak frank(straight to the point)

(jokingly) i prefer the satoshi name origin story
samsung
   toshiba

nakamichi
       motorola

or because satoshi liked cryptography and puzzles:

Plenty of them, even here:
Bitcoin Predicted During Pokemon in 1999 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5161090.0)

Some others try to find the meaning of their own name in the series and go completely overboard
Brock Pierce explains the origins of "Satoshi Nakamoto" (https://decrypt.co/7167/brock-pierce-explains-origins-of-satoshi-nakamoto)


And there is more:

Never underestimate what a bored mind can come up with!


Maybe he was watching Sailor Moon and he was in love with Sailor Victory, so he took the name Nakamoto to act like he was her husband.
Or, he was a fan of Neko x Neko, and this is just a reference, no comment on what that anime is about.

What I can say is that it's hard to understand the real scenario of Bitcoin and how the name of Satoshi Nakamoto was developed if we're not part of the team that does it. However, from what Theymos once said Bitcoin was run in a community-driven way and the name Satoshi Nakamoto created some of the teams that were working on BTC at the early stage.
Technically, the name was not provided by Satoshi himself.

If the video was wrongly subtitled the information provided on Wikipedia about the movie won't have been the same thing.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ash_Ketchum

According to our wiki (https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Satoshi_Nakamoto), "Satoshi" means wisdom or reason, and "Nakamoto" central source. He might had picked those words for a purpose, to imply that bitcoin is detached from central points, perhaps? I kinda doubt he used a pseudo-name generator, as he was likely cautious and purposeful with the whole concept from the very beginning.

https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1501449525831081987  ::)

I have watched several sub-titled Japanese anime and short series, I often read the main character's name subtitled as Satoshi even though the Japanese name pronunciation is way different.  I don't think that it is the official subtitle of the movie since most of the anime is subtitled by fans.  Probably the fans that translated that video is a Bitcoin enthusiasts and a fan of Satoshi Nakamoto making the name of the leading character of that anime intentionally subtitled as Satoshi.


Pretty much this  ;D.


So in the end Ash Ketchum is Satoshi Tajiri and not Satoshi Nakamoto.

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@OP having a subtitled name Satoshi doesn't necessarily mean it is Satoshi Nakamoto and has a connection to Bitcoin.  The Wikipedia link shown by @suzanne5223  clearly stated who that Satoshi is.

wisdom from inside oneself

This has been talked about before and was considered a big possibility. I mean pokemon may have been a kiddie thing when it first started, but Satoshi could be a young person when pokemon first started as well. I am not saying he would be a 5 year old, that would make him 30 right now and under 20 when he created bitcoin which is a possibility but unlikely.

But, even if he is literally 50-60 year old guy, nearly 30 years ago means he was in his 30's and that is not an old age to watch anime (I should know lol) which is why it’s totally a possibility. Also let’s remember, he didn't had to pick that name right away, he has been working on stuff like this since 90's so it means he would be picking the name a lot earlier when pokemon was even more popular.

And here is where it gets crazy, as the creator of Pokemon is Satoshi Tajiri?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satoshi_Tajiri

But wait, Satoshi is also a author, Satoshi Nakamoto Apparent Author of Two Upcoming Books on Amazon. (https://cointelegraph.com/news/satoshi-nakamoto-apparent-author-of-two-upcoming-books-on-amazon)

Seriously though, we don't see any connection whatsoever about Pokemon and Satoshi and bitcoin.

It really amaze me on how human mind can create lots of possibilities.  The imagination of people especially those who bored and has nothing to do is quite astonishing.  Imagine, from the given link above, how people connect a pokemon card to Bitcoin, I wonder how they decipher the messages on that card connecting it to Bitcoin ::)


Well people with huge imaginations often see a different thing than normal people do. ;D  With the appearance of Satoshi on the subtile, people thinks automatically that Bitcoin creator Satoshi Nakamoto has something to do with pokemon.  It is indeed Satoshi that has something to do with Pokemon because he is the creator of it but sadly it wasn't Nakamoto but rather Tajiri.  Satoshi Tajiri.  Besides Satoshi Tajiri is a real name while Satoshi Nakamoto is just an alias.


This is probably a marketing ploy, someone using the name to catch interest.


For the newcomer to Bitcoin there is somehow, the line on the song in pokemon and the purpose of getting 1 BTC...  Gonna catch 'em all....

Possibly, or also any of these people with the name Satoshi:

    Satoshi Arai (荒井 聰, born 1946), Japanese politician
    Satoshi Furukawa (古川 聡, born 1964), Japanese surgeon and astronaut
    Satoshi Hamada (浜田 聡, born 1977), Japanese politician
    Satoshi Hashimoto (橋本 さとし, born 1966), Japanese actor and voice actor
    Satoshi Hatakeyama (畠山 智之, born 1958), Japanese journalist
    Satoshi Hino (日野 聡, born 1978), Japanese voice actor
    Satoshi Ishii (石井 慧, born 1986), Japanese judoka and mixed martial artist
    Satoshi Inoue (musician) (井上 智, born 1959), Japanese jazz guitarist
    Satoshi Inoue (politician) (井上 哲士, born 1958), Japanese politician
    Satoshi Kamiya (神谷 哲史, born 1981), Japanese origami master
    Satoshi Kanazawa (born 1962), American-British evolutionary psychologist
    Satoshi Kawata (河田 聡, born 1951), Japanese scientist
    Satoshi Kinsui (金水 敏, born 1956), Japanese linguist
    Satoshi Kitamura (きたむら さとし, born 1956), Illustrator
    Satoshi Kojima (小島 聡, born 1970), Japanese professional wrestler
    Satoshi Komatsu (小松 聖, born 1981), Japanese baseball player
    Satoshi Kon (今 敏, 1963–2010), film director, animator, screenwriter and manga artist
    Satoshi Maruya (丸谷 里志, born 1947), Japanese swimmer
    Satoshi Matsuda (松田 悟志, born 1978), Japanese actor
    Satoshi Matsuoka (松岡 聡), Japanese computer scientist
    Satoshi Mikami (三上 哲, born 1968), Japanese actor and voice actor
    Satoshi Mitazono (三反園 訓, born 1958), Japanese journalist and the governor of Kagoshima Prefecture
    Satoshi Miyagi (宮城 聰, born 1959), Japanese theatre director
    Satoshi Mizukami (水上 悟志, born 1980), Japanese manga artist
    Satoshi Mori (basketball) (森 哲, born 1949), Japanese basketball player
    Satoshi Mori (skier) (born 1971), Japanese Nordic combined skier
    Satoshi Morimoto (森本 敏, born 1941), Japanese scholar
    Satoshi Motoyama (本山 哲, born 1971), Japanese race car driver
    Satoshi Nakamura (中村 哲, born 1958), Japanese computer scientist
    Satoshi Ohno (大野 智, born 1980), Japanese actor and musician
    Satoshi Ōmura (大村 智, born 1935), biochemist, a winner of the 2015 Nobel Prize in Physiology or Medicine
    Satoshi Sato (佐藤 聡, born 1979), Japanese footballer
    Satoshi Sato (skier) (佐藤 智, born 1962), Japanese cross-country skier
    Satoshi Shiki (士貴 智志, born 1970), Japanese manga artist
    Satoshi Shimizu (清水 聡, born 1986), Japanese boxer
    Satoshi Shingaki (新垣 諭, born 1964), Japanese professional boxer
    Satoshi Sumida (隅田 敏司, born 1962), Japanese swimmer
    Satoshi Sumita (澄田 智, 1916–2008), Japanese businessman, banker, and the 25th Governor of the Bank of Japan
    Satoshi Suzuki (鈴木 智), Japanese screenwriter
    Satoshi Tajiri (田尻 智, born 1965), creator of Pokémon
    Satoshi Takayanagi (高柳 慧, born 1938), Japanese long jumper
    Satoshi Takano (高野 智史, born 1993), Japanese shogi player
    Satoshi Takeda (武田 聡, born 1968), Japanese swimmer
    Satoshi Tanaka (田中 聡, born 2002), Japanese footballer
    Satoshi Tomiie (富家 哲, born 1966), Japanese DJ and electronic music producer
    Satoshi Tomiura (冨浦 智嗣, born 1991), Japanese actor
    Satoshi Tsumabuki (妻夫木 聡, born 1980), Japanese actor and singer
    Satoshi Tsunami (都並 敏史, born 1961), Japanese football player
    Satoshi Uematsu (植松 聖, born c. 1990), perpetrator of the Sagamihara stabbings
    Satoshi Urushihara (漆原 智志, born 1966), manga artist and artist
    Satosi Watanabe (渡辺 慧, 1910–1993), Japanese theoretical physicist
    Satoshi Watanabe (beach volleyball) (渡辺 聡, born 1975), Japanese beach volleyball player
    Satoshi Yagisawa (八木澤 教司, born 1975), Japanese composer
    Satoshi Yamamoto (山本 サトシ, born 1965), illustrator of Pokémon Adventures starting in volume 10
    Satoshi Yanagisawa (柳澤 哲, born 1971), Japanese race walker
    Satoshi Yoshida (吉田 智志, born 1990), Japanese footballer
    Satoshi Yuki (結城 聡, born 1972), Japanese professional Go player

or any of these fictional characters:

    Satoshi Himuro (氷室 聡), in the Red River universe
    Satoshi Hiwatari (日渡 怜) or Satoshi Hikari (氷狩 怜), in D.N.Angel media
    Satoshi (Urusei Yatsura) (サトシ), also known as Megane, a member of Lum's Stormtroopers
    Satoshi Hojo (北条 悟史), in Higurashi no Naku Koro ni media
    Satoshi Omiya (大宮 智史), a racer in Initial D series
    Satoshi Fukube (福部 里志), in Hyōka
    Satoshi Mochida (持田 哲志), in the Corpse Party series
    Satoshi Isshiki (一色 慧), in the Food Wars: Shokugeki no Soma
    Satoshi Tsuchida (土田 聡史), in the Kuroko's Basketball

Well, when I've watched the episode and as a bitcoin folk, it made me thought about it as we know satoshi only by his name and with all of those theories and conspiracies. It's got into my mind. That's it's a probably and a theory.

I just thought of the name and until Welsh have said that it's a common name, that ticked my mind and did my research as well and saw that it's a common name in Japan. I don't know about that since I'm not a japanese.

That's it, it made me outright thought of it so quick just because I saw his name and surprisingly as someone who's been watching this anime when I was younger. I have never thought that his japanese name is satoshi thus, satoshi, the real one might have just picked this name as we don't know what's his real nationality.

Yes, I know that and I've only seen a reference without Ash Ketchum's japanese version of surname but only name, satoshi. It's on the original post that I've made. I'm not saying that there's direct connection to bitcoin and pokemon but satoshi and the probable reference where it's taken as a pseudonymous.

Amazing. So it's like a central source of wisdom/reasoning? He's certainly a genuine genuis guy.

Wow, thanks! so in theory that in lines with the other theories that I've read, it's "they".

I've known that joke as well but that's hell of reference for entertainment just like what I've thought about watching the highlight and seen in the subtitle when satoshi's name appeared.

Exactly, it's just a referred name probably by the team or himself elsewhere to make it more confusing and put that attention that they or he's a japanese. On the latter of what you said, it's true that's why we all admire him and every thought that an individual like me hits it whenever there's something that "might" be close and related to him as a speculation by a mere person like me.

Thanks! This discussion has given me more information about the references and more detailed ones for those explanations that have been shared.


Yes, that is and there's more that. That's what I've known after realizing the first reply on this thread and made me googled it asap and saw the meaning of it.

That's the guarantee that we got. We'll never know who actually he is or they are. A mystery that will never solved unless someone or a group appears with strong evidence to claim that they're or he's satoshi.

Truth to that and the one that I've researched after realizing things after making this discussion is about the masculine thing and then added more from the other contributors of the forum about the other meanings of it and I liked the most about being the central source of wisdom.

Just another speculation that has just been thought by a playful mind and far from any other better resources that we've got on this thread.  :)

'twas too late for me to realize that it was a common name there.


Btw, happy thanksgiving to everyone.

Let us give credit where it's due.  Sometimes these kind of conspiracies are actually pretty entertaining and captivating.  Boredom or not, it could all in fact turn into some kind of myth and legend of Nakamoto.

And what do we expect really, I remember the times when everybody unironically made 'suspected links to the Illuminati' on YouTube based on 'hidden messages' they found, this was just a few years ago.  Some are still doing it.  There probably is somebody out there who would be able to quickly link this post's time stamp to 666 and Illuminati in some sort of way.

Too much time on their hands and too much creativity.  I get sometimes we (at least I) do things that have a particular meaning.  I sometimes use specific numbers that I think give me luck or a particular outcome.  Same thing when choosing names and, weirdly enough for some people, even when choosing passwords.  But come on, not everything has a meaning necessarily.  And who in their right mind would go to such an extent and derive every single part of their project derived from Pokemon.  Except Elon Musk.

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I'd assume so. I can't say I use Youtube all that much, I tend to avoid most Google products. Anyway, I took a look just to satisfy the curious mind. It doesn't appear that this was published by someone who would have the rights to be able to post it. I suspect it just hasn't been reported. It doesn't include the entire episode, and is only around a two minute clip. So, maybe Youtube has some sort of rules of fair use, but I don't know. Probably would be removed if you reported it.

Where they got the video from could differ. I've seen some awful translations even on official released movies. There have been a few Welsh one's in the past, and I'm wondering whether they used a translator at all. Bare in mind the movie wasn't entirely in Welsh, and only a snippet so they could've just gone with a internet search, and that's why it didn't make all that much sense.

It might be right mind you, I don't know. I'm not too familiar with Pokemon, but if it's Satoshi shortened from Ash, I wouldn't be too surprised anyhow; like I said Ash is a fairly common name derived from Ashley usually.

I don't think we'll ever get to the bottom of why Satoshi is called Satoshi. All we'll have is speculation, and I'm okay with leaving things lie where they are so to speak.

(lol) I remember linking satoshi and theymos's usernames to anime characters before.

After scouring through my post history:

More info about my take on the pseudonym satoshi in the second quote, I also referenced Pokemon's "Satoshi Tajiri" in that post.

What incredible theories of the origin of the pseudonym Satoshi (or his real data) we will not hear. This will probably continue until the end of time (or the end of btc mining  :)). These speculations will crop up endlessly, but the nuance is that we will never be able to know how it really was. Even if one of the theories is correct, only Satoshi can confirm this, but as you understand, he definitely will not take this step. All such conjectures should not be taken seriously and are best taken as gossip reading.

Yes and no. Ash Ketchum is not Satoshi Nakamoto but Ash Ketchum means Satoshi while the name of Ash Ketchum's video game creator, designer, and director was Satoshi Tajiri.
I was also confused about the whole story before I did some research about it and find the needed information on Wikipedia. As others have said, the name Satoshi and Nakamoto is common among the Japanese.

I think this was just a coincidence.

Maybe he has the same name as the main character from Pokemon, but since that's the only coincidence I don't think he likes the anime. If he were a true pokemon fan bitcoin would be called Pikachu coin or something like that. And the second name (Nakamoto) has zero relevance to the anime. So, it's just a coincidence.

But does it really make sense? Knowing what Satoshi is really into or even knowing who he is. If ever he reveal himself what would happen except for rain of questions and criticism on this technology he created? Other than him being able to address question, there's nothing much of that. The market value might hype up a little if ever he's to reveal himself but I doubt it would be a long term and continuous increase simply because the demand won't be that high; its value would still be volatile for being dependent to demand. Also, it is still not widely being used. Or simply, problems on this industry or bitcoin to be more specific would still be there. This would only matter if he would reveal his plans for this industry.

Satoshi is a pretty common Japanese name. Nakamoto is a pretty common Japanese family name. The person behind the pseudonym most likely chosen a random Japanese name that they liked. Or maybe even heard somewhere, like in anime or manga. I don't see any point in looking into the meaning of the name, because all Japanese names mean something.

I think the fact that the person behind the name chose a Japanese name could mean that they are a fan of Japan and Japanese culture to some extent, maybe they watch anime and read manga.

It makes sense to those who are curious and wants to see him badly but for us it's not. It's not important anymore if he will show up because btc was still doing fine and we in fact don't want him to show up because maybe that will cause for the btc go bad because we know that many people have a hate on him only because they didn't like what he created.

The hype in btc price cant remain high because there will be times for the bear market for the people to accumulate again but the demand will remain high because the supply of btc is also decreasing. When it becomes more scarce, its value is also expected to rise but yeah volatility is still there. It won't be removed anymore as this is one of its unique features.

We all have developed our way of justifying these statements but in reality these all are just our speculations without any real base because we can't say what's the truth.As you said about Pokemon then you will find lot of people with these names and the original one might be fan of it or not but the truth lies hidden the bundle of fake claims we have developed of our own.We all have choosen different usernames on forum but that doesn't imply anything related to our common lives so you know how it works.

 Satoshi Omiya (大宮 智史), a racer in Initial D series

its him, he drives an NB8C mazda roadster its painted with bitcoin's color

https://www.imcdb.org/i546471.jpg

Edit: actually not, Satoshi Omiya was only introduced in fifth stage which was released back late 2012-2013, it is most likely that the one wrote the anime had taken inspirations from bitcoin.

Your theory is far from accurate if Satoshi Nakamoto is the Satoshi you are referring to. A pseudonym as we all believe represents the founder of BTC, and you saying he loves the game Pokemon feels like you know this personality or if he were a real person.
The founder or team of founders of BTC might have likely been japanese or in the region.
It is quite baseless you assume he likes Pokemon even if he shares same first name with pokemon founder.