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November 23, 2022, 05:35:38 PM
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As I've seen the news[1] about Ash Ketchum(main character) of Pokemon became the very best. All of those folks that have watched the series when they're young understands the first lyrics of its intro song. "I wanna be the very best". So, it was after 25 years when he became a Pokemon World Champion.
Little did I know, when I've watched the highlight[2] of the final battle of Ash. The video's subtitle was on and to my surprise Ash was called "Satoshi" by his opponent. Seriously, for that long, I didn't know that Ash = Satoshi in the original language of the series. Yes, I've got no idea for the whole existence of this anime until I've read that subtitle.

So, in theory, is it possible that Satoshi Nakamoto got the alias from Ash Ketchum in original japanese name of the protagonist and watched the series and derived that first name and just added the surname Nakamoto from somewhere else as reference too?

This could be a kiddy stuff for most but what do you think?

Ash Ketchum (Japanese: サトシ Satoshi) is the main character of the Pokémon anime. He is also the main character of various manga based on the anime, including The Electric Tale of Pikachu, Ash & Pikachu, and Pocket Monsters Diamond & Pearl.

He is a Pokémon Trainer from Pallet Town whose goal is to become a Pokémon Master.

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[1] After 25 Years, Ash Ketchum Finally Becomes Pokemon World Champion
      https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Ash_Ketchum

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[2] Ash VS Leon Final Battle - Pokemon World Championship Eng Sub



    

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November 23, 2022, 05:39:47 PM
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Since the episodes are on Youtube, is it possible that the subtitles are just wrong?

It's also very possible that Satoshi is meaningless. Now, that's probably not the case since humans of creatures of habit, and we usually has a bias when choosing names, passwords, and all that. So, quite possibly it was to do with Pokemon, but just because there's somewhat of a correlation, doesn't mean that's the case. I'm not familiar with Pokemon enough to verify your claims, but if that is the case I imagine that "Satoshi" is quite a popular name in Japan. Since, Ashley is a fairly popular name.

Also, I think Pokemon probably has more adult followers than kids these days due to its age.
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November 24, 2022, 10:02:54 AM
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Since the episodes are on Youtube, is it possible that the subtitles are just wrong?
Yes, it's possible that the other translations are wrong but I've looked for other videos and they're telling the same name for Ash in Japanese version, Satoshi.

It's also very possible that Satoshi is meaningless. Now, that's probably not the case since humans of creatures of habit, and we usually has a bias when choosing names, passwords, and all that. So, quite possibly it was to do with Pokemon, but just because there's somewhat of a correlation, doesn't mean that's the case. I'm not familiar with Pokemon enough to verify your claims, but if that is the case I imagine that "Satoshi" is quite a popular name in Japan. Since, Ashley is a fairly popular name.
I think you're right that it's a popular name in Japan with regards to masculine for men. But I've just thought of it that maybe there's a relation to it since it's a popular anime ever since.

Also, I think Pokemon probably has more adult followers than kids these days due to its age.
True, after more than 2 decades, most of its fans and followers have grown up.

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November 24, 2022, 10:16:30 AM
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Well, in the world of many twists and turns, the possibility that the name Satoshi can be derived from Pokemon can really be there. Having said that, I think this is just another theory among many candidates and nobody can be sure which is the fact unless the real Satoshi Nakamoto will surface and will shed light to everything related to him, the blockchain and Bitcoin. For entertainment purposes though to pique our interest, maybe this pass well. Now, let's assume that the name was taken from Pokemon character...so what's next?

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November 24, 2022, 11:17:22 AM
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There are a lot of theories about why someone chose the pseudonym "Satoshi Nakamoto", but I have to admit that I can't remember anyone connecting him with Pokemon. Each possibility has some chance of being correct, although in many discussions it has already been concluded that the name Satoshi is very common in Japan, and once in some reports from the Second World War I found a person whose name was exactly that.

Very interesting conspiracy theories can be constructed from some of the meanings of those words.

The Japanese term satoshi has many meanings. Among some other things, Satoshi means "enlightened", "wise" or "intelligent". And last, but not least, Nakamoto means something like "middle", "base", "root" or "central". This would make Satoshi Nakamoto the “Central Intelligence” Smiley

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we are in the field of pure speculation.
 it is possible that his name has this origin but I find it rather unlikely for several reasons... Otherwise we dont know of he was really japanese ... Roll Eyes
I don't think we'll ever know why he chose this name, he's one of those mysteries that will probably stay with us for life Sad

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It doesn't mean they mentioned satoshi they really know him, Satoshi is japanese name so most provably there are so many individual people was named on that word and its common name on japan so there's not surprising if a TV show will mention the name Satoshi since its not a coincidence to happen in TV programs. It will be different if they mention about bitcoin and its creator since for sure they are pointing him on that accurately.

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November 24, 2022, 12:32:12 PM
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Probably, but unlikely. As far as I know Satoshi is a pretty common Japanese name, so saying that Satoshi is a fan of Pokemon just because he picked that name is just like saying Theymos automatically likes thermoses.

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I don't think it is related to that. Satoshi is a common masculine name in Japanese if I'm not mistaken, but they have different meaning, depends on the character you are going to use when writing the name. Satoshi Nakamoto could mean the exact same thing that google says;

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"Satoshi" means "clear thinking, quick witted; wise." "Naka" can mean "medium, inside, or relationship." "Moto" can mean "origin" or "foundation."

or it could mean a lot of things we don't know that might too far from the name itself.
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November 24, 2022, 12:51:59 PM
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This could be a kiddy stuff for most but what do you think?     

It could be fun topic for casual discussion. But honestly i'll just refer to this answer https://bitcoin.stackexchange.com/a/83891 when people talking about possible meaning/source of "Satoshi Nakamoto" in Japanese.

Since the episodes are on Youtube, is it possible that the subtitles are just wrong?

Doesn't youtube ban pirated content (whether it's hollywood movie, western tv show or anime) these days? Without checking the video, i expect the video comes from legal channel/uploader which should have accurate subtitle.

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Wish you had developed some sort of conspiracy with strong arguments trying to prove what you are saying.  Like finding some Pokemon references in the Whitepaper or in Satoshi's posts.  Otherwise, this is pure and vague speculation.  Make it more entertaining and this might become one of the biggest Satoshi conspiracies!

Seriously though.  Satoshi is just Satoshi.  Considering it remains one of the biggest anonymous personalities in history, chances are their real name was not Satoshi Nakamoto nor were they Japanese.  And since he never wanted to disclose his identity in any kind of way, it is unlikely he chose this name because he loves Pokemon.  I for one would not link my anonymous personality to my passions and obsessions.  Except for privacy, which I am going to talk about on the forum all day long anyway.

Satoshi knew what he was doing very well and calculated each and every step of theirs precisely.

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Last edit: November 24, 2022, 03:20:48 PM by franky1
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satoshi is not an uncommon name in japan

so satoshi name origins could be something else, and most probably is. because just saying it must be pokemon is like saying burnt wood is named after the main character of pokemon(ash)

its like someone trying to derive where my username came from by just lame searching the most famous reference of someone called frank

however for instance my franky username is a multi layered reason.
it stems from stamps.. (franking) which there was alot of civil dispute over stamp duty in early british-US history. which caused people to want a new economic system and a separation from british government economy..
..much the same as reasons bitcoin genesis happened.

also my forum persona is not to be a kiss ass go with the echo chamber mantra. but instead to speak frank(straight to the point)

(jokingly) i prefer the satoshi name origin story
samsung
   toshiba

nakamichi
       motorola

or because satoshi liked cryptography and puzzles:
its not nick..
but i do love some of the theories and 'proofs'

the funniest one is using the letters of his name
someone said nicks middle name was thomas

NICK THOMAS SZABO

take the C and the B change them to numeric (c=3 b=2)
3x2=6
6= 1 and 1 and 1 and 1 and 1 and 1
1=A and 1,1,1,1,1     (A and five 1's)
1,1,1,1,1= 3 and 2
3x2=6
6=3 and 3
3x3=9

take the Z and change it to numeric (z=26)
26+9=35

just note that the missing letters  of satoshi nakamoto from nick thomas szabo are O=15 T=20   =35

so numerically we can see there is a conversion method for CZB=AOT
now take out the CZB nick thomas szabo and add in the AOT

NICK THOMAS SZABO
NIK THOMAS SAOAOT

now mix them letters up from:
NIK THOMAS SAOAOT

to:

S   (NIK THOMAS AOAOT)
SA   (NIK THOMAS OAOT)
SAT   (NIK HOMAS OAOT)
SATO   (NIK HMAS OAOT)
SATOS   (NIK HMA OAOT)
SATOSH   (NIK MA OAOT)
SATOSHI   (NK MA OAOT)
SATOSHI N  (K MA OAOT)
SATOSHI NA  (K M OAOT)
SATOSHI NAK  ( M OAOT)
SATOSHI NAKA  ( M OOT)
SATOSHI NAKAM  (  OOT)
SATOSHI NAKAMO  (  OT)
SATOSHI NAKAMOT  (  O)
SATOSHI NAKAMOTO

i know nick is not, but i just liked this bit of speculation and wordplay.. put a smile on my face

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Last edit: November 24, 2022, 05:15:24 PM by stompix
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There are a lot of theories about why someone chose the pseudonym "Satoshi Nakamoto", but I have to admit that I can't remember anyone connecting him with Pokemon.

Plenty of them, even here:
Bitcoin Predicted During Pokemon in 1999

Some others try to find the meaning of their own name in the series and go completely overboard
Brock Pierce explains the origins of "Satoshi Nakamoto"

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When he came off stage, Decrypt asked Pierce to explain his references to the Bitcoin founder, and the “Pokémon connections” to his own namesake, “Brock”—another character in the series.“[Brock] is who Satoshi learns everything from,” Pierce replied with a smile.

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Hold up a minute, does this mean what I think it does? Satoshi Nakamoto, Satoshi Tajiri. Digital money, digital monsters. 21 million coins on the original chain, 151 Pokemons in the original series. Pokeballs, hardware wallets. Pokedexes, full nodes. Farfetch’d,

Never underestimate what a bored mind can come up with!

So, in theory, is it possible that Satoshi Nakamoto got the alias from Ash Ketchum in original japanese name of the protagonist and watched the series and derived that first name and just added the surname Nakamoto from somewhere else as reference too?
This could be a kiddy stuff for most but what do you think?

Maybe he was watching Sailor Moon and he was in love with Sailor Victory, so he took the name Nakamoto to act like he was her husband.
Or, he was a fan of Neko x Neko, and this is just a reference, no comment on what that anime is about.

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What I can say is that it's hard to understand the real scenario of Bitcoin and how the name of Satoshi Nakamoto was developed if we're not part of the team that does it. However, from what Theymos once said Bitcoin was run in a community-driven way and the name Satoshi Nakamoto created some of the teams that were working on BTC at the early stage.
Technically, the name was not provided by Satoshi himself.

Since the episodes are on Youtube, is it possible that the subtitles are just wrong?
If the video was wrongly subtitled the information provided on Wikipedia about the movie won't have been the same thing.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ash_Ketchum

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According to our wiki, "Satoshi" means wisdom or reason, and "Nakamoto" central source. He might had picked those words for a purpose, to imply that bitcoin is detached from central points, perhaps? I kinda doubt he used a pseudo-name generator, as he was likely cautious and purposeful with the whole concept from the very beginning.

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"Satoshi" means "clear thinking, quick witted; wise." "Naka" can mean "medium, inside, or relationship." "Moto" can mean "origin" or "foundation."
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I have watched several sub-titled Japanese anime and short series, I often read the main character's name subtitled as Satoshi even though the Japanese name pronunciation is way different.  I don't think that it is the official subtitle of the movie since most of the anime is subtitled by fans.  Probably the fans that translated that video is a Bitcoin enthusiasts and a fan of Satoshi Nakamoto making the name of the leading character of that anime intentionally subtitled as Satoshi.

Never underestimate what a bored mind can come up with!

Pretty much this  Grin.

If the video was wrongly subtitled the information provided on Wikipedia about the movie won't have been the same thing.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ash_Ketchum

So in the end Ash Ketchum is Satoshi Tajiri and not Satoshi Nakamoto.



@OP having a subtitled name Satoshi doesn't necessarily mean it is Satoshi Nakamoto and has a connection to Bitcoin.  The Wikipedia link shown by @suzanne5223  clearly stated who that Satoshi is.

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According to our wiki, "Satoshi" means wisdom or reason, and "Nakamoto" central source.

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This has been talked about before and was considered a big possibility. I mean pokemon may have been a kiddie thing when it first started, but Satoshi could be a young person when pokemon first started as well. I am not saying he would be a 5 year old, that would make him 30 right now and under 20 when he created bitcoin which is a possibility but unlikely.

But, even if he is literally 50-60 year old guy, nearly 30 years ago means he was in his 30's and that is not an old age to watch anime (I should know lol) which is why it’s totally a possibility. Also let’s remember, he didn't had to pick that name right away, he has been working on stuff like this since 90's so it means he would be picking the name a lot earlier when pokemon was even more popular.

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And here is where it gets crazy, as the creator of Pokemon is Satoshi Tajiri?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satoshi_Tajiri

But wait, Satoshi is also a author, Satoshi Nakamoto Apparent Author of Two Upcoming Books on Amazon.

Seriously though, we don't see any connection whatsoever about Pokemon and Satoshi and bitcoin.

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It really amaze me on how human mind can create lots of possibilities.  The imagination of people especially those who bored and has nothing to do is quite astonishing.  Imagine, from the given link above, how people connect a pokemon card to Bitcoin, I wonder how they decipher the messages on that card connecting it to Bitcoin Roll Eyes

And here is where it gets crazy, as the creator of Pokemon is Satoshi Tajiri?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satoshi_Tajiri

Well people with huge imaginations often see a different thing than normal people do. Grin  With the appearance of Satoshi on the subtile, people thinks automatically that Bitcoin creator Satoshi Nakamoto has something to do with pokemon.  It is indeed Satoshi that has something to do with Pokemon because he is the creator of it but sadly it wasn't Nakamoto but rather Tajiri.  Satoshi Tajiri.  Besides Satoshi Tajiri is a real name while Satoshi Nakamoto is just an alias.


This is probably a marketing ploy, someone using the name to catch interest.

Seriously though, we don't see any connection whatsoever about Pokemon and Satoshi and bitcoin.

For the newcomer to Bitcoin there is somehow, the line on the song in pokemon and the purpose of getting 1 BTC...  Gonna catch 'em all....


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