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Hello everyone, I'm new here. As the title of this topic says, I'm here to share our experience and ask for advice.
What is the best way to contact the moderators of the forum without wasting their time ?

I'm part of the team of a very ambitious project, and recently someone recommended in our community that we share the project here.
I of course agreed and said I will do it in the first possible moment. The guy initiated that is better he does it since he has legendary status here and is being a member since 2011.
I emailed him with a short introduction and graphics about our project, and he made a post in announcements (altcoins).

Then he started sending me his crypto wallet and insist i should tip him some money and i didn't agree since he volunteered to post and his post reached less than 15 people in that time.
He then got mad and started spreading lies in the communities that i promised him money and lied to him. I provoked him by showing the chats and said there is nothing to hide. I asked him publicly how much money would he want, so he stops spreading lies. He went and spammed lies about how our project is a scam and our features are a scam too. We have a rewarding game on the website where people win daily prizes, so he insisted that is a scam, meanwhile his friend has won already, including many others. The whole situation is very frustrating, so I hoped I can share more information and screenshots with admins or moderators and get a warning for him.

This whole situation shows only how toxic this space can be.

There are few people who are ready to do something for free on this forum, and if what you wrote is correct, then that person has nothing in common with his legendary status on this forum.

You did not make a mistake because you asked your question in the B&H board, but topics like this belong more in the Reputation board (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?board=129.0l), so I would recommend that you open a new thread in Reputation and present all the evidence with links and chat samples there. Administrators and moderators do not deal with such things and there is no need to contact them.

No! I do not think so. The crypto community is made up of a diverse group of people with different backgrounds, experiences, and motivations. Just like in any other community, there are likely to be both good and bad actors in the crypto space. Therefore, it is important to consider the actions of individuals rather than making blanket judgments about the entire community.

In your case, it is difficult to give an objective opinion because of the lack of information. I guess you can create a new topic and prove you are an official representative by placing a link to that topic on your website and social profiles. After that, you can report the old topic so that the moderators lock it.

I don't understand why you, OP, instead of posting from the main account that is probably already tagged by this legendary member setting up a new account and telling us about this situation. What are you hoping to achieve?

If you can't tell us the whole story with details don't expect us to help you with it.

The community can react only when the community knows what the problem is and who the involved parties are.

The reason i didn't present screenshots and more context is because I'm still not very familiar with the rules of the Forum and didn't want to seem as an ad. I will check out into the Reputation board. Thank you !


Where is the correct place in your opinion ? Someone already recommended the Reputation board but i would appreciate second opinion. I just want to show the conversation with the guy and his way of insisting on posting here about small projects and if they don't pay him, he calls them a scam on multiple platforms. This is lowkey f*cked up and ruins very hard work of building something.

 I stalked his profile and noticed this is not the first time he has done that. My whole goal with wasting my time and sharing this is to prevent this if possible. I bet there are people coming here to find some new projects and it is very pity someone can manipulate which one is good one and which not depending on how much he is paid and his "legendary status and old account"


The reason i haven't just written in the topic he made is that he deleted it after being rejected from me to get paid. His post had no comments and 30 views.
The annoying part is the guy decided he will just spam all our recent posts with comments about us being a scam and how people should stay away from what we do.
He did that on Linkedin, Reddit, Discord and more to discover i guess.



Final note: I just hoped such behavior can be punished if i can provide all the needed information. I can be fully transparent with the conversation we had.
Most of you mentioned that nothing can be done so maybe there is no point in that. Then just take it as a warning and if someone decides this topic can be locked.

The reputation board is the most suitable place for you to make this kind of post, there isn't a second opinion.
And since it has already been recommended you might want to move this topic there or just create a new thread.


Because an account has a legendary status doesn't mean you should trust them, you should have conducted a little research on the account's reputation or its previous activities before letting them promote your project in one of the largest Bitcoin forum.


You shouldn't be troubled by the fact that the post has already been deleted.
In case you don't know all post that has been made in this forum are been archive by https://loyce.club/archive/posts/ and https://ninjastic.space all you need do is to move your topic to the reputation board so that you can provide more evidence and also provide the name of the account in question.

Yes, Reputation board is the right place. You can move the topic by yourself, just the the "move topic" option that is in the bottom left corner.


I haven't noticed that people told you nothing can be done. So, please provide all the evidence that you have and in case what you are telling is truth, you may help stopping that Legendary account from that to someone else as he may end up with negative feedback which would make him harder to do it again.

Btw, even if he deleted the topic, there are still ways to see it so no worries about that part.

I figure that your beef is in relation to this now deleted Ann post: url= https://loyce.club/archive/posts/6142/61420401.html

The thread had no trailing posts made other than the OP (as per https://loyce.club/archive/topics/542/5427627.html), leading to the OP being able to delete the thread in the board it was posted in.

I’d say you can do two things:

- As stated, open a thread on Reputation (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?board=129.0) to state your case.

Bear in mind that the context is that of the reputation of one and another party, but that forum moderation will not intervene as per its policy. Other people can though express their views on the Reputation thread, which may (or may not) lead to some kind of (negative) tagging on one or more of the parties.


- You are free to go and create your own Ann thread now, as there is no other thread on the same topic.

Actually, I was talking about creating a new ANN topic. In your first post, you said that someone else (a guy with legendary status) created a topic in the Announcements (Altcoins) board on your behalf. You can create a new topic and ask the moderators to lock the old one (since it is not official).


You can show screenshots of the conversation here as well. Also, you can mention which member it is. This is a democracy, and everyone has the right to speak their mind. The only thing you should not make public is the other party's personal information, such as an email address or full name. If the moderators feel that the topic needs to be moved to Reputation, they will move it, or you can do it yourself.


The great thing about a free platform like this forum is that it gives everyone an opportunity to share their opinion. But the good thing is that you can refute false accusations with your own arguments and counter-evidence.

Okay guys, firstly I want to say big thanks to everyone that took the time to explain how the Forum works. I haven't been in such a website in a while.

This is the post i'm talking about : https://ninjastic.space/topic/5427627 (topic id: 5427627).

The guy was invited to our Discord from his friend attracted by a small rewarding game we have currently going and asked how to play the game.
After receiving an answer but not winning any price (meanwhile his friend that invited him did twice), a couple of days later he decided to ask how to sell the reward followed by the offer to post here.
Here is the full chat:

https://ibb.co/yN8TqGq

After he offered to make his post, I told him to hit me up in DM and I will provide him with all the descriptions and graphics he needs.
If needed, I can show the full private chat, but he already deleted some of his messages. We never agreed on payments, but after posting the post, he dropped his wallet address.
After telling him again that I'm not going to send him anything since his post didn't reach anyone. I later even publicly asked him how much he wants to get paid, then he started publicly trash talking in our community.

https://ibb.co/0GQxB10
https://ibb.co/jf45XCS

but also trashing under our linkedin, reddit and even dm'ing members of our community. Even marked himself as project manager on Linkedin:

https://ibb.co/8x9g2zt
https://ibb.co/dGVLRGz
https://ibb.co/qpDxtZt

We are currently still discovering such posts around different groups and communities and try to report them all.

I hope you guys understand my frustration and why i wanted to share the situation.
Why would I even risk our image and ask him for free work ? We have a team for the job. He simply made one post.
Couple community members recommended i post the situation here, so he gets punished, that's why i did.

Quoting the post to show the images

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I have to say that indeed looks like a douchebag move. From what I can see, gondel (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=153812) indeed offered to create a thread on his own volition. I see that he mentioned some PMs, did he at any time asked for payment before he actually posted the announcement thread? Anyway, I'll wait a bit for him to come here and tells his side of the story.

Just wanna add that he exaggerated  it a bit when he said that all the biggest crypto projects have threads here. That was the case years ago, but altcoins kinda moved away from bitcointalk as people here are not their target audience.

Yes. I have to admit this is not the most professional way to handle such situation. What gondel did was obviously not right and I would have expected a bit more professionalism from a legendary member, but maybe this is just how he does things. Looks like a blackmail to me.
Hopefully, he'll come here and tell us what happened from his perspective.

In addition, if your project is legal and does not correspond to what your "assistant" spreads about you, why should you be upset? There are a lot of trolls on the forum who obviously have nothing to do; you should not pay attention to everyone. The word of one man is not worth the majority.
Unless you really have any fraud, you can leave a "rebut" tag in his account. But you must be honest.

He indeed never asked for a payment before creating the post.
Here is the whole private conversation with him, even though he already deleted a lot of his messages:

https://ibb.co/PwBgtpf

https://ibb.co/48wRPzr

https://ibb.co/nj4tbL4

https://ibb.co/DW00cT6

https://ibb.co/0sfHKdg


He can gladly share his side but it will probably be the same speech about how we are scammers.
I purposely didn't ban him at first and all his public messages are still visible in our communities.


You are correct. Honestly, i'm just moving on from the situation because it's a waste of time. I have this post here so in case another topic saying how we are scammers shows up, people can refer to our side too. It's bothering me how we coded the rewarding wheel for months for someone to show up and spam how it is fake built, or the broadcast we planned for weeks, and he sabotages it under every post days before that, but it is how it is.

Thanks for your time, guys ! I appreciate the help. I'll try to stay more active in the Forum to stay updated with what is shared.

I can't see a promise from OP to pay a reward for what gondel did or any such conversation. gondel has expected a reward but since no agreement was there, I think there's no way he can spread such fud against the project. Is this some sort of blackmail?
Have anyone PMed gondel? I would love to hear him say. It's no way he should do it. gondel seems like helping the project to grow as a volunteer.

It would be good to hear the other side of the story, even though I somehow doubt that this member will say anything in his defense. A quick look at his post history reveals a lot, he is an old time legendary who is not really active on the forum, and all his activity is reduced to trying to make money in one way or another - and every attempt to join the signature campaign fails because of the famous rule "5 merits in 120 days".

I also stalked his posts and noticed he either shills projects or calls them a scam. No in between. :)

you should look at the whole situation from the positive side. Closing ANN thread It's good that it happened right at the beginning, and not after a developed discussion. he also turned out to be not really a supporter of your project, so the whole thing would surely culminate at some point.
if your project is good, one troll won't hurt it much whatever he said on the net. if it manages to ruin your business in that way, you should think about the real strength of the project.
in addition to all that, you also learned an important lesson that you must always agree on every deal in detail.

you also learned how things go on this forum. Here you have marginal Legendary members and their status does not mean anything special for opening an ANN thread. Nothing more than if you bought a copper member membership yourself.
Also, you can tag gondel on their trust page and point reference to this thread. I will probably send them a link to this thread, so he will be informed and they can respond here.

The forum will not penalize such behavior, the forum will not interfere in a user's business affairs. Even if you are looking for a defense here, the consequence is simply the tagging of members which is sometimes subjective.

In this conversation, I don't see him billing you upfront for announcement post at a specific payout rate. For the moment I can say that it is not your obligation to pay anything in this case.

Thanks everyone that helped and expressed their opinion. I feel like the topic becomes repetitive at this point. If the guy doesn't come and explain why he is out there in all those platforms calling our project a scam and share anything that we don't know, I guess my questions were answered. I'm positively impressed from the helpful community here and will gladly continue following the Forum. I even received more offers for promotions, which are already way more professional and have stated clearly what they offer and how much they expect to be paid for the service. Most of them come with a package with other deals, so at least something good came out of the situtation.

Yep, just confirms what you said before that he didn't ask for payment before he published the ANN.


I sent him a PM but somehow I doubt that he will come here to share his side of the story as everything is pretty much obvious here.


He is far from a reputable member and I don't think that any altcoin project would benefit from having him as ANN publisher.


In case someone offers you thread bumping (bunch of sock puppet accounts having fake conversations), just say no as on top of being totally ineffective and a waste of money, it can also affect your project reputation.

I am sorry you had such bad experience with a so called Legendary member that at some point you even said the forum is toxic. The users like gondel are shame and huge obstacle for new business who are coming to the forum to build a business relationship with the forum members. There are many users who have good sense of justification and they will not judge you from a deleted ANN thread.

I left a neutral feedback for gondel so that in future he can not harass some other projects and they don't need to come to the community like you with another bad experience.

Quick update with email we just received from a website where he complained about us:

https://ibb.co/m5ZN2zg
https://ibb.co/prh2bJQ

If he finally reads this thread, I would ask him to tell me why he thought I'm from Kazakhstan, next time get your facts straight at least.
So many bold statements in his reviews that I'm pretty sure he is crossing some legal lines at this point.

I've seen this a number of times. It's a type of indirect blackmail where someone is extremely annoying to a business attacking them on forums, leaving negative reviews, acting like a scammed client and doing similar things. He doesn't ask you for money because that would compromise his attempts. He'll continue to be annoying until you offer him money, in which case he'll either threaten to post it as you trying to bribe him and demand more money, or take the offer and walk away.

Good luck with your project OP and don't scam anyone. At the moment, I think gondel is the bad guy here, but the future in your hands. :)

You can't say that the whole space is toxic because you had bad experience with one member from bitcointalk forum.
There are a lot of people who are trying to scam people, or they are just trying to earn few sats in any way possible, and when they can get very angry if they don't get what they want.
My suggestion is to always check post history of any member in forum and think well before making some deal with anyone, no matter what his rank is.
I am going to tag member gondel and I hope to see his explanation here.

Looks like blackmail to me. The actions that Gondel took were clearly inappropriate, but this may be just how he operates in general. 
We can only hope that he will come over here and explain what occurred from his point of view.

But because you had a negative interaction with one so-called legendary member on this forum, you cannot generalize that the entire community is poisonous. There are hundreds of helping members who can help you without charging anything from you.

I have a question though- what could be the appropriate sanctions for a person intentionally spreading libelous and unfounded claims against a project? Clearly, there has some sort of damage that OP incurred due to the spread of malicious words/statements that affected the general feedback of his project.

Is there some sort of remedy that OP could have exercised and gained from this experience? Is negatively-tagging the person the only solution that can pacify this situation? I am really curious since I hate for this to happen to anyone who genuinely shares an interesting idea, only to get destroyed by a single person spreading lies about it.

How do we know the person saying the truth here without any tangible evidence to proof all you're claiming, sometimes you need to clear the air when dealing with someone especially on anything that has to do with project or contract, what terms have you both signed before engaging it, of course he may try to sabotage you when he discovered your business he's helping you advertise has boomed up, but this will also be a lesson to you to always have a statement of contract signed by you both before you entrust him for the advertisement of your services.


Don't conclude your judge on the experience you had with a member, you could have been in thw same shoe if you're a newbie or legendary rank doesn't mean youve got everything it takes with good reputation, and i say it again that you should report him provided that you have life evidence to proof your claim to ascertain it with reference pointing to the whole scenario, if not your tag on such member may be invalid without a reference.

The user action is already closed to extortion since he start posting negative comments and false accusation about the project after he didn’t get the payment that he ask for a volunteer work. This is merely a subjective case because he made the attack on the project after the OP denied the payment for the work that he volunteered without any payment notification for the project.

A neutral feedback from @Bitcoingirl.club and his reason is right. He might done this on many project before.

If he did spread false accusations on this forum and did direct blackmail, he would probably  up with negative feedback. But since he did it on the external sites (and its not easy to be 100% sure he is behind it), neutral is just fine, and that's exactly what he received from a couple of members (Including me).



Maybe I am wrong, but I think that OP meant crypto space in general and not this forum specifically. He is right though, this space is extremely toxic.

What is clear is that this kind of behavior isn't the result of someone learning from this forum about how to make money. :P

I don't see him being very active here, just leave a trail to this thread wherever this guy sings about your project as an opposition effort and hopefully he'll realize he's being talked about.

Thanks for mentioning that, I was about to specify it, but didn't have the time. There is some misunderstanding over my comment.
I meant the whole crypto space in general and how good projects are overlooked, but scam projects are being hyped everywhere.
Not only that, but there are also a bunch of individual scammers in this space. You can barely trust anyone you talk to, doesn't matter if you are a developer or just a user.

How are we going to make the mainstream stop calling crypto as a whole a scam if it's full of scams ?


Also, quick update: The guy keeps writing bad reviews full of lies in different platforms.

https://ibb.co/NZdQtwK

The amount you deposit into our Pigletz NFT's is up to the owner and is not even required, just can activate additional boosters to mine more of our utility Token. Everyone can break the NFT at any point and get what is inside, including the mined tokens. We are not keeping any of it and the project is fully decentralized. Every NFT has its own smart contract and wallet address, to which we have no access. It's just super annoying how he keeps making up stuff we have to explain afterwards. He is obviously mad that a bunch of people won them for free (including his own friend) and he didn't. Our community keeps asking for the next public sale and secondary market is going pretty good. It's just ridiculous how he keeps writing about something he never owned.

This is a case of blackmail if not how can someone write against an entity and after a while tell the people you wrote against topsy you a certain amount of money or forcefully placing a demand from them just to stop blackmailing or writing against them. That is abrupt wickedness. I think he should come up with a real talk of what is his difference with your casino for it to be resolved peacefully and amicably instead of going about making articles and post just to sabotage your reputation on this platform and all other places as you have said. I think he is doing this out of frustration from his own end as maybe what he envisaged for did not come out as planned by him hence the blackmail and extortion from your casino.
He just needs to be called to other with disciplinary measures taken against his dubious act.

I yet to read from gondel but it seems there is no forth defence coming from the user or maybe the user is yet to know about the thread. I want to be conservative with my opinion until his side of the story surfaces maybe he has some other information we might not have seen in his own end. But if he fails to show up then it is assumed the user is a troll and manipulative been who go about blackmailing companies and vanishing their reputations. I wait before dropping my opinion.

Everything is transparent on our side. Anyone from our community can prove the things he is saying are lies. I even want him to show up and say something new and explain what exactly is his goal, but instead he continues his old plan. Tonight he wrote a misleading bad review on Google and the same moment joined our telegram chat from a fake account to share some fake conversation which doesn't even make sense. The other side is cropped and is simply confusing. A member of our team have no reason to ask for a wallet address. This user is totally new and have no NFT's to sell, so his question is invalid. About the review saying you have to deposit $2000 to earn, I have no comment. This has nothing to do with our mechanics. Our NFT's start mining the utility token from the day they are minted.

https://ibb.co/S6wfdkB

https://ibb.co/SRPmSKq

Hello all,
These reports has nothing to do with my profile. I never blackmailed anyone or scammed as it is super transparent from my posts on btctalk.
This person is trying to blame me for posts made by other people. I made the Ann then deleted it that's all, none of the reviews is made by me.
He shared parts of our conversation on discord and blocked me. Blamed me afterwards. He was using my absence here to spread rumors.
I repeat I never blackmailed anyone which you can see from all my posts.

You can try to fool the people in this forum, but not me. I have verification from a couple of sources, including people that know you personally.
You also made the mistake to start with profiles which are connected to you via previous posts with location (maybe next time hide your other posts and reviews which are from the country you live in). Just give up already with this kindergarten. You are losing your own precious time as also ours, which can be used for more productive things. You are not blocked by me, and you know very good I banned you from the communities after you started spreading lies which have nothing to do with the project. If those reviews weren't made by you, they wouldn't repeat the same made up misleading information that you started repeating in our communities when you didn't get paid. I don't know how you have the time and energy to do this, but I recommend you to give up. If you think you deserve payment for whatever reason, share the amount publicly, and it will be sent to you, but be realistic. Also, a friendly reminder: I see you deleted half of your messages in our private chat, but I have screenshots of them, in case you try to make up a new story. Your last messages in our community are literally still there saying "Trust Pilot is the first place to share thoughts about the project right :)" and "it would be a shame to get bad reviews on Google".

There were some screenshots posted of the conversation. I believe you have a copy of the same conversation. Why don't you start with that first. Let us see when part of the conversation is missing. So far it looked liked you were trying to take the advantage and extorting them.

Let's focus on this part for a start. Why did you create their announcement thread? And why did you later delete it?