Someone posted here about our Project then sabotage us to give him money

[sha-pigletz]

Hello everyone, I'm new here. As the title of this topic says, I'm here to share our experience and ask for advice.
What is the best way to contact the moderators of the forum without wasting their time ?

I'm part of the team of a very ambitious project, and recently someone recommended in our community that we share the project here.
I of course agreed and said I will do it in the first possible moment. The guy initiated that is better he does it since he has legendary status here and is being a member since 2011.
I emailed him with a short introduction and graphics about our project, and he made a post in announcements (altcoins).

Then he started sending me his crypto wallet and insist i should tip him some money and i didn't agree since he volunteered to post and his post reached less than 15 people in that time.
He then got mad and started spreading lies in the communities that i promised him money and lied to him. I provoked him by showing the chats and said there is nothing to hide. I asked him publicly how much money would he want, so he stops spreading lies. He went and spammed lies about how our project is a scam and our features are a scam too. We have a rewarding game on the website where people win daily prizes, so he insisted that is a scam, meanwhile his friend has won already, including many others. The whole situation is very frustrating, so I hoped I can share more information and screenshots with admins or moderators and get a warning for him.

This whole situation shows only how toxic this space can be.

[Lucius]

There are few people who are ready to do something for free on this forum, and if what you wrote is correct, then that person has nothing in common with his legendary status on this forum.

You did not make a mistake because you asked your question in the B&H board, but topics like this belong more in the Reputation board, so I would recommend that you open a new thread in Reputation and present all the evidence with links and chat samples there. Administrators and moderators do not deal with such things and there is no need to contact them.

[Stalker22]

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This whole situation shows only how toxic this space can be.

No! I do not think so. The crypto community is made up of a diverse group of people with different backgrounds, experiences, and motivations. Just like in any other community, there are likely to be both good and bad actors in the crypto space. Therefore, it is important to consider the actions of individuals rather than making blanket judgments about the entire community.

In your case, it is difficult to give an objective opinion because of the lack of information. I guess you can create a new topic and prove you are an official representative by placing a link to that topic on your website and social profiles. After that, you can report the old topic so that the moderators lock it.

[pixie85]

I don't understand why you, OP, instead of posting from the main account that is probably already tagged by this legendary member setting up a new account and telling us about this situation. What are you hoping to achieve?

If you can't tell us the whole story with details don't expect us to help you with it.

The community can react only when the community knows what the problem is and who the involved parties are.

[sha-pigletz]

You did not make a mistake because you asked your question in the B&H board, but topics like this belong more in the Reputation board, so I would recommend that you open a new thread in Reputation and present all the evidence with links and chat samples there. Administrators and moderators do not deal with such things and there is no need to contact them.

The reason i didn't present screenshots and more context is because I'm still not very familiar with the rules of the Forum and didn't want to seem as an ad. I will check out into the Reputation board. Thank you !

In your case, it is difficult to give an objective opinion because of the lack of information. I guess you can create a new topic and prove you are an official representative by placing a link to that topic on your website and social profiles. After that, you can report the old topic so that the moderators lock it.

Where is the correct place in your opinion ? Someone already recommended the Reputation board but i would appreciate second opinion. I just want to show the conversation with the guy and his way of insisting on posting here about small projects and if they don't pay him, he calls them a scam on multiple platforms. This is lowkey f*cked up and ruins very hard work of building something.

 I stalked his profile and noticed this is not the first time he has done that. My whole goal with wasting my time and sharing this is to prevent this if possible. I bet there are people coming here to find some new projects and it is very pity someone can manipulate which one is good one and which not depending on how much he is paid and his "legendary status and old account"

I don't understand why you, OP, instead of posting from the main account that is probably already tagged by this legendary member setting up a new account and telling us about this situation. What are you hoping to achieve?

If you can't tell us the whole story with details don't expect us to help you with it.

The reason i haven't just written in the topic he made is that he deleted it after being rejected from me to get paid. His post had no comments and 30 views.
The annoying part is the guy decided he will just spam all our recent posts with comments about us being a scam and how people should stay away from what we do.
He did that on Linkedin, Reddit, Discord and more to discover i guess.



Final note: I just hoped such behavior can be punished if i can provide all the needed information. I can be fully transparent with the conversation we had.
Most of you mentioned that nothing can be done so maybe there is no point in that. Then just take it as a warning and if someone decides this topic can be locked.

[Cantsay]

Where is the correct place in your opinion ? Someone already recommended the Reputation board but i would appreciate second opinion. I just want to show the conversation with the guy and his way of insisting on posting here about small projects and if they don't pay him, he calls them a scam on multiple platforms. This is lowkey f*cked up and ruins very hard work of building something.

The reputation board is the most suitable place for you to make this kind of post, there isn't a second opinion.
And since it has already been recommended you might want to move this topic there or just create a new thread.

I stalked his profile and noticed this is not the first time he has done that. My whole goal with wasting my time and sharing this is to prevent this if possible. I bet there are people coming here to find some new projects and it is very pity someone can manipulate which one is good one and which not depending on their generosity and his "legendary status and old account"

Because an account has a legendary status doesn't mean you should trust them, you should have conducted a little research on the account's reputation or its previous activities before letting them promote your project in one of the largest Bitcoin forum.

The reason i haven't just written in the topic he made is that he deleted it after being rejected from me to get paid. His post had no comments and 30 views.
The annoying part is the guy decided he well spam all our recent posts with comments about us being a scam and how people should stay away from what we do.
He did that on Linkedin, Reddit, Discord and more to discover i guess.

You shouldn't be troubled by the fact that the post has already been deleted.
In case you don't know all post that has been made in this forum are been archive by https://loyce.club/archive/posts/ and https://ninjastic.space all you need do is to move your topic to the reputation board so that you can provide more evidence and also provide the name of the account in question.

[Rikafip]

Where is the correct place in your opinion ? Someone already recommended the Reputation board but i would appreciate second opinion

Yes, Reputation board is the right place. You can move the topic by yourself, just the the "move topic" option that is in the bottom left corner.

Final note: I just hoped such behavior can be punished if i can provide all the needed information. I can be fully transparent with the conversation we had.
Most of you mentioned that nothing can be done so maybe there is no point in that. Then just take it as a warning and if someone decides this topic can be locked.[/b]

I haven't noticed that people told you nothing can be done. So, please provide all the evidence that you have and in case what you are telling is truth, you may help stopping that Legendary account from that to someone else as he may end up with negative feedback which would make him harder to do it again.

Btw, even if he deleted the topic, there are still ways to see it so no worries about that part.

[DdmrDdmr]

I figure that your beef is in relation to this now deleted Ann post: url= https://loyce.club/archive/posts/6142/61420401.html

The thread had no trailing posts made other than the OP (as per https://loyce.club/archive/topics/542/5427627.html), leading to the OP being able to delete the thread in the board it was posted in.

I’d say you can do two things:

- As stated, open a thread on Reputation to state your case.

Bear in mind that the context is that of the reputation of one and another party, but that forum moderation will not intervene as per its policy. Other people can though express their views on the Reputation thread, which may (or may not) lead to some kind of (negative) tagging on one or more of the parties.


- You are free to go and create your own Ann thread now, as there is no other thread on the same topic.

[Stalker22]

In your case, it is difficult to give an objective opinion because of the lack of information. I guess you can create a new topic and prove you are an official representative by placing a link to that topic on your website and social profiles. After that, you can report the old topic so that the moderators lock it.

Where is the correct place in your opinion ? Someone already recommended the Reputation board but i would appreciate second opinion.

Actually, I was talking about creating a new ANN topic. In your first post, you said that someone else (a guy with legendary status) created a topic in the Announcements (Altcoins) board on your behalf. You can create a new topic and ask the moderators to lock the old one (since it is not official).

I just want to show the conversation with the guy and his way of insisting on posting here about small projects and if they don't pay him, he calls them a scam on multiple platforms. This is lowkey f*cked up and ruins very hard work of building something.

You can show screenshots of the conversation here as well. Also, you can mention which member it is. This is a democracy, and everyone has the right to speak their mind. The only thing you should not make public is the other party's personal information, such as an email address or full name. If the moderators feel that the topic needs to be moved to Reputation, they will move it, or you can do it yourself.

I stalked his profile and noticed this is not the first time he has done that. My whole goal with wasting my time and sharing this is to prevent this if possible. I bet there are people coming here to find some new projects and it is very pity someone can manipulate which one is good one and which not depending on how much he is paid and his "legendary status and old account"

The great thing about a free platform like this forum is that it gives everyone an opportunity to share their opinion. But the good thing is that you can refute false accusations with your own arguments and counter-evidence.

[sha-pigletz]

Okay guys, firstly I want to say big thanks to everyone that took the time to explain how the Forum works. I haven't been in such a website in a while.

This is the post i'm talking about : https://ninjastic.space/topic/5427627 (topic id: 5427627).

The guy was invited to our Discord from his friend attracted by a small rewarding game we have currently going and asked how to play the game.
After receiving an answer but not winning any price (meanwhile his friend that invited him did twice), a couple of days later he decided to ask how to sell the reward followed by the offer to post here.
Here is the full chat:

https://ibb.co/yN8TqGq

After he offered to make his post, I told him to hit me up in DM and I will provide him with all the descriptions and graphics he needs.
If needed, I can show the full private chat, but he already deleted some of his messages. We never agreed on payments, but after posting the post, he dropped his wallet address.
After telling him again that I'm not going to send him anything since his post didn't reach anyone. I later even publicly asked him how much he wants to get paid, then he started publicly trash talking in our community.

https://ibb.co/0GQxB10
https://ibb.co/jf45XCS

but also trashing under our linkedin, reddit and even dm'ing members of our community. Even marked himself as project manager on Linkedin:

https://ibb.co/8x9g2zt
https://ibb.co/dGVLRGz
https://ibb.co/qpDxtZt

We are currently still discovering such posts around different groups and communities and try to report them all.

I hope you guys understand my frustration and why i wanted to share the situation.
Why would I even risk our image and ask him for free work ? We have a team for the job. He simply made one post.
Couple community members recommended i post the situation here, so he gets punished, that's why i did.

[Rikafip]

Quoting the post to show the images

Okay guys, firstly I want to say big thanks to everyone that took the time to explain how the Forum works. I haven't been in such a website in a while.

This is the post i'm talking about : https://ninjastic.space/topic/5427627 (topic id: 5427627).

The guy was invited to our Discord from his friend attracted by a small rewarding game we have currently going and asked how to play the game.
After receiving an answer but not winning any price (meanwhile his friend that invited him did twice), a couple of days later he decided to ask how to sell the reward followed by the offer to post here.
Here is the full chat:



After he offered to make his post, I told him to hit me up in DM and I will provide him with all the descriptions and graphics he needs.
If needed, I can show the full private chat, but he already deleted some of his messages. We never agreed on payments, but after posting the post, he dropped his wallet address.
After telling him again that I'm not going to send him anything since his post didn't reach anyone. I later even publicly asked him how much he wants to get paid, then he started publicly trash talking in our community.




but also trashing under our linkedin, reddit and even dm'ing members of our community. Even marked himself as project manager on Linkedin:





We are currently still discovering such posts around different groups and communities and try to report them all.

I hope you guys understand my frustration and why i wanted to share the situation.
Why would I even risk our image and ask him for free work ? We have a team for the job. He simply made one post.
Couple community members recommended i post the situation here, so he gets punished, that's why i did.

I have to say that indeed looks like a douchebag move. From what I can see, gondel indeed offered to create a thread on his own volition. I see that he mentioned some PMs, did he at any time asked for payment before he actually posted the announcement thread? Anyway, I'll wait a bit for him to come here and tells his side of the story.

Just wanna add that he exaggerated  it a bit when he said that all the biggest crypto projects have threads here. That was the case years ago, but altcoins kinda moved away from bitcointalk as people here are not their target audience.

[decodx]

Yes. I have to admit this is not the most professional way to handle such situation. What gondel did was obviously not right and I would have expected a bit more professionalism from a legendary member, but maybe this is just how he does things. Looks like a blackmail to me.
Hopefully, he'll come here and tell us what happened from his perspective.

[lovesmayfamilis]

In addition, if your project is legal and does not correspond to what your "assistant" spreads about you, why should you be upset? There are a lot of trolls on the forum who obviously have nothing to do; you should not pay attention to everyone. The word of one man is not worth the majority.
Unless you really have any fraud, you can leave a "rebut" tag in his account. But you must be honest.

[sha-pigletz]

I have to say that indeed looks like a douchebag move. From what I can see, gondel indeed offered to create a thread on his own volition. I see that he mentioned some PMs, did he at any time asked for payment before he actually posted the announcement thread? Anyway, I'll wait a bit for him to come here and tells his side of the story.

Just wanna add that he exaggerated  it a bit when he said that all the biggest crypto projects have threads here. That was the case years ago, but altcoins kinda moved away from bitcointalk as people here are not their target audience.

He indeed never asked for a payment before creating the post.
Here is the whole private conversation with him, even though he already deleted a lot of his messages:

https://ibb.co/PwBgtpf

https://ibb.co/48wRPzr

https://ibb.co/nj4tbL4

https://ibb.co/DW00cT6

https://ibb.co/0sfHKdg

Yes. I have to admit this is not the most professional way to handle such situation. What gondel did was obviously not right and I would have expected a bit more professionalism from a legendary member, but maybe this is just how he does things. Looks like a blackmail to me.
Hopefully, he'll come here and tell us what happened from his perspective.

He can gladly share his side but it will probably be the same speech about how we are scammers.
I purposely didn't ban him at first and all his public messages are still visible in our communities.

In addition, if your project is legal and does not correspond to what your "assistant" spreads about you, why should you be upset? There are a lot of trolls on the forum who obviously have nothing to do; you should not pay attention to everyone. The word of one man is not worth the majority.
Unless you really have any fraud, you can leave a "rebut" tag in his account. But you must be honest.

You are correct. Honestly, i'm just moving on from the situation because it's a waste of time. I have this post here so in case another topic saying how we are scammers shows up, people can refer to our side too. It's bothering me how we coded the rewarding wheel for months for someone to show up and spam how it is fake built, or the broadcast we planned for weeks, and he sabotages it under every post days before that, but it is how it is.

Thanks for your time, guys ! I appreciate the help. I'll try to stay more active in the Forum to stay updated with what is shared.

[Little Mouse]

I can't see a promise from OP to pay a reward for what gondel did or any such conversation. gondel has expected a reward but since no agreement was there, I think there's no way he can spread such fud against the project. Is this some sort of blackmail?
Have anyone PMed gondel? I would love to hear him say. It's no way he should do it. gondel seems like helping the project to grow as a volunteer.

[Lucius]

I have to say that indeed looks like a douchebag move. From what I can see, gondel indeed offered to create a thread on his own volition. I see that he mentioned some PMs, did he at any time asked for payment before he actually posted the announcement thread? Anyway, I'll wait a bit for him to come here and tells his side of the story.

It would be good to hear the other side of the story, even though I somehow doubt that this member will say anything in his defense. A quick look at his post history reveals a lot, he is an old time legendary who is not really active on the forum, and all his activity is reduced to trying to make money in one way or another - and every attempt to join the signature campaign fails because of the famous rule "5 merits in 120 days".

[sha-pigletz]

I have to say that indeed looks like a douchebag move. From what I can see, gondel indeed offered to create a thread on his own volition. I see that he mentioned some PMs, did he at any time asked for payment before he actually posted the announcement thread? Anyway, I'll wait a bit for him to come here and tells his side of the story.

It would be good to hear the other side of the story, even though I somehow doubt that this member will say anything in his defense. A quick look at his post history reveals a lot, he is an old time legendary who is not really active on the forum, and all his activity is reduced to trying to make money in one way or another - and every attempt to join the signature campaign fails because of the famous rule "5 merits in 120 days".

I also stalked his posts and noticed he either shills projects or calls them a scam. No in between.

[examplens]

I also stalked his posts and noticed he either shills projects or calls them a scam. No in between.

you should look at the whole situation from the positive side. Closing ANN thread It's good that it happened right at the beginning, and not after a developed discussion. he also turned out to be not really a supporter of your project, so the whole thing would surely culminate at some point.
if your project is good, one troll won't hurt it much whatever he said on the net. if it manages to ruin your business in that way, you should think about the real strength of the project.
in addition to all that, you also learned an important lesson that you must always agree on every deal in detail.

you also learned how things go on this forum. Here you have marginal Legendary members and their status does not mean anything special for opening an ANN thread. Nothing more than if you bought a copper member membership yourself.
Also, you can tag gondel on their trust page and point reference to this thread. I will probably send them a link to this thread, so he will be informed and they can respond here.

[noorman0]

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Final note: I just hoped such behavior can be punished if i can provide all the needed information.

The forum will not penalize such behavior, the forum will not interfere in a user's business affairs. Even if you are looking for a defense here, the consequence is simply the tagging of members which is sometimes subjective.

-snip-
Here is the whole private conversation with him, even though he already deleted a lot of his messages:

In this conversation, I don't see him billing you upfront for announcement post at a specific payout rate. For the moment I can say that it is not your obligation to pay anything in this case.

[sha-pigletz]

Thanks everyone that helped and expressed their opinion. I feel like the topic becomes repetitive at this point. If the guy doesn't come and explain why he is out there in all those platforms calling our project a scam and share anything that we don't know, I guess my questions were answered. I'm positively impressed from the helpful community here and will gladly continue following the Forum. I even received more offers for promotions, which are already way more professional and have stated clearly what they offer and how much they expect to be paid for the service. Most of them come with a package with other deals, so at least something good came out of the situtation.