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I'm the founder of PNNV.com - you can read all about it in the original thread (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5410871.0).

Now, you can exchange crypto on any chain without connecting your wallet!

BSC to ETH, BTC to ETH - almost every chain.


Please check out: https://pnnv.com/

Could you share your thoughts with me?

Great progress. :)

By the way, why should people use your exchange instead of ChangeNOW?

Also, it seems, the Buy/Sell Crypto part is not working.

changeNOW require KYC at some point. but you may use whatever suits you mate!

For starters I would put a disclaimer or some sort that it's powered by changenow so that if any problem comes up, people are likely to contact them. It'll be also nice if the fact about them being able to request KYC any time is put out there.

Misc: I'm not sure if it's just me but I have habit of clicking the website logo if i wanna be redirected to homepage again which I can't seem to do on your website. A lot of websites works like this so I believe it'll be a nice quality of life update.

I don't need to disclaimer as I have full access to solve any problem that may occur.

I DO NOT REQUIRE KYC AND WILL NEVER ASK FOR IT.

If you use chagneNOW they may ask for it not on my platform.

How is it possible, you are using their api yet their terms/rules is not applied on your platform, particularly incase for kyc purposes.

Btw the navbar with the "exchange rate" and dark/light mode is not inline on the settings. This is in mobile mode. It looks like the it is heavily stuffed there.
https://i.ibb.co/6wbr3S0/IMG-20221212-075543.jpg

I remember trezor also partnered with changenow, integrated their exchange in their platform and had a stance of no-responsibility hence why I assumed.

Could you tell us more about how this partnership (in your case) works? Am I correct to assume that user deposits go to a non-changenow handled wallet? Would it not be possible for changenow to collect user data from ppl who use your exchange? by user data, I do not necessarily mean personal documents as it could also be addresses used.

Aren't you just using their API?

I recall a similar service (I think it was Changelly) in which the third party managing the exchange withheld someone's coins and started demanding KYC. You don't actually have full access if you don't own the keys of the wallets.

what's the maximum limit or minimum? Or, there's no maximum limit? I can't see any info written there. I think you should add that info somewhere so that people don't get confused. There are exchanges that share their reserve.

I just had a check and found you have no alert when I entered 1000000 Bitcoin to be transacted. Just checked, I don't own in real lol.


As stated above, you are using ChangeNOW API, will they require KYC on a transaction that will be done through your site? Don't they have access to the fund? If they have the access to the fund, what if they freeze a transaction and require KYC? Who will manage that part?

I receive the funds and using their API to swap to the relevant token.

Im in charge for the funds.


It's registered on my company and i dont need a KYC. I take full responsibility if any amount getting freeze ( which 99% wont happen ) but i take full responsibility. 

I've found something a bit counter-intuitive.

By default the price is from Bitstamp. It shows 16990.
I switch and get price only from Binance: 16985.85
Then I check them both. Price is now 17008.52; far from an expected something-in-the-middle  :D

I can guess that in the last case you use a different source (coingecko?) that maybe has a different refresh rate and logic, still.. looks odd.
It doesn't matter to me much, however I thought you may want to know.


The exchange is an interesting addition, good luck with it, maybe it helps you earn at least the funds invested in this project.

I just heard a business structure like this. Anyway, if that's the case that totally make sense.

Well, what i mentioned on my earlier reply about the look of navbar is still the same. It might be another concern in relation of the exchange feature but it actually affect the total impression of your future users particularly those mobile users.

That's great of course. I thought the fund would be in control of 3rd party which always makes a room for possible scam/freezing. If it's in your control, KYC shouldn't be an issue.
Please set the minimum + maximum amount of exchange, otherwise, it will create confusion.

The limit is 10M$ per transaction i highly doubt someone will reach it.

Hey,

1. I dont require to connect your wallet or to make a KYC, it's just a feature added to my service. if you dont want to use it, simply dont.
2. Will be added shortly.

I appreciate you are working on supporting no-kyc policy, but you should be more careful with your promises and claims.
It's not totally impossible to imagine that some hackers could try to convert that amount of stolen coins using your website and changeNOW exchange.
I am interested to know what would happen in that case, and are you using some third party exchanges other than changeNOW?
You should also add more information if you are saving IP addresses and all other details from your custoemrs.

I compared your rates with other similar instant exchanges, and I am getting much lower rates on your website.
Maybe you could contact owners of kycnot.me website, so they could test and rate your website.

It won't be impossible if your service will achieve certain visibility.
My question is, does this limit also apply to Crypto><fiat exchanges and vice versa? However high limit offers without KYC will be a lot of attention, especially involving fiat even as little as $1 million. Your service will be on the radar of various authorities eventually. Stay alert!

I congratulate you on launching your site and encourage you to continue developing it. Perhaps we are just used to the preev site and do not think of changing it until it is broken. It was my first chance to discover your site.
My only problem with your site is that I can't select the full value in bitcoins or dollars with just one click like preev mirror. i always have to select all numbers

You have really outdone yourself with the inclusion of an exchange , Congratulations to you team Pnnv. And looking back at what preev did with all the traffic they received, these guys never took advantage of it but with you guys in the driving seat you turning everything you touch into gold.
Thanks for the assurance, Goodluck.

So as far as I understand, you partnered with changeNOW as a company that completed KYC and then you allow everyone to use that account without KYC? If this is true, then this is not considered money laundering?
Overall it's good to develop the possibility of exchange although I think it's too early, you were showing yourself as an alternative to Preev which means it's a simple site to display the price of bitcoin.

Perhaps, after gaining trust, you can perform the exchange, but instead of using changeNOW, it provides the user with the ability to use more than one exchange platform from the same site.

First I would like to congratulate you, your site has become a very good replacement or alternative to Preev and yours is even better for adding the trading page.
There are a lot of concerns that you properly address to the satisfaction of the community but how about the people outside of this forum I checked the https://pnnv.com/exchange page and there's no information or disclaimer that will explain if the site is safe to use to exchange their coins and what are the mechanics and requirements.

If I am going to recommend your site outside of this forum there should be at least some information about the site and FAQ to properly inform them, even the guarantee of the safety of the funds is not on the page, we know your reputation here but others outside of this forum do not have an idea on who is running the site.

AgentF, looks like you have high fiat reserves to cover export/import quantity transactions. I just remembered this guy^[1] looking for exchange equivalent high criteria.
If you see it is prospective enough, there's nothing wrong with expanding the business.


1. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5428157.0

I saw your previous thread when you first introduced yourself as an alternative to Preev.com which is offline. At that moment, i had bookmark your site as it offers a clean nice interface to seeing and converting the bitcoin price in USD and other local fiat currency.

I am really excited to see that you have got another step ahead and started a crypto exchange service. Without having to do the KYC, this may be one of the best services. I haven't tried the exchange yet but I will try it surely next time I needed to exchange crypto.

Although I don't know when they ^{(the developer/owner of preev)} fixed the site but preev.com actually is now working ^{(i accessed it by the time of writing)}, but it doesn't have secured ^(https://) connection for now.

On the site, there is no contact us page or link or even a social handle so we can message them and ask them to secure the site
but they renewed and extend their domain up to 2025, PNVV should add a contact page or their social media account for easy communication.

Domain:preev.com
Registrar:Name.com, Inc.
Registered On:2011-06-12
Expires On:2025-01-01
Updated On:2021-12-31

Preev is one reliable tool and they have established their platform in 2011 but I'm ok with adding PNNV because of its new features and they keep adding more to the benefit of the community, their exchange page is new, looking forward for from members testimonials on how good it is.

Everything is so simple and clear that I want to rejoice. You caught the thought of millions of people - Simply and quickly.
About Exchange.  I understand that you use the ChangeWow provider and earn some small money, but still this is not the main thing. The most important thing is the date and the base of the audience that comes again and again to your site and uses it, which in the future will give you the opportunity to quickly redo the exchanger for yourself and no longer pay% to your provider from ChangeWOW, this is a gold mine.
Promising for a long time.


GL !

Just wondering though if it is down right now or just me?

Earlier the site is loading but the exchange is blank? no data is available as what is the current price of BTC.

But now, the site is not loading anymore and it's completely blank? Perhaps it is under maintenance or a new version is going to be rolled out?

I have the same experience maybe they are now configuring the site based on the recommendation of other members. if they are going to install an exchange they should make sure that they have 100% uptime so they are not going to lose profits exchanges like the one on your page are being bookmarked and monitored by traders for price comparison.

https://pnnv.com/exchange - Works
https://pnnv.com/ - Doesn't works

I think this is some maintiance on main page.

Hey Guys,

I had to upgrade and add another API, mainly i used coingecko but wanted to add coinmarketcap as well. I have 10M monthly API calls and had to combine those two.

It's costly, around 2000$ a month for the API.

Sorry, but the bugs were fixed!

That's quite a huge amount I still recommend that you add your social media account or even your account here on Bitcointalk and an additional FAQ about the exchange and your guarantee, for traders outside of this forum that are going to use your platform, I'm putting myself in a position when I stumble your platform for the first time, you can also create a thread for testimonials and install the link in the homepage, this my review and recommendation and it's up to you what you want to implement.

Yes, already adding a dedicated TG support channel.
Should be added today.

Aren't you caching the prices on your backend? At 1 minute caching, that would drop the API calls to less than 45k a month. Even at 10 seconds caching, that would still be 38x better (259k calls a month).

That's the problem, it's API call per token, people looking for different tokens.

Hi, I see that you are doing your project and trying to develop it. I'm ready to help you with this for free. I like your approach. Will you take volunteers to your team?

Any help in any field. Just text me.

I think that Coinpaprika, Livecoinwatch and Coinranking.com also have API you can use.

Is there a way you could run your website on Tor with onion address, especially the exchange part?
Some people would like to have better privacy and you could have more people wanting to use that since you pledged not to ask customers for any kind of kyc verification.
 

Maybe just batch-call then beforehand?

Example: Instead of one user prompting a request for the BAT price, another one for the DOGE price, and yet another for UNI price, call all of them, at once, every minute and cache it on your backend.

You'll have BAT/DOGE/UNI vs USD/EUR/BRL: https://api.coingecko.com/api/v3/simple/price?ids=basic-attention-token%2Cdogecoin%2Cuniswap&vs_currencies=usd%2Ceur%2Cbrl

Thank you for your recommendation, and I'll research them.

I'll try my best to make my website work on tor, but I need to adjust since I'm using JS a lot.

I haven't tested the site yet but have checked the rate & found it interesting. I haven't seen any minimum amount; checked how much BTC I would get for 21 USDT. It was my surprise that I was supposed to receive almost the same amount I would get from a typical CEX; Binance for instance. Then who is covering the transaction fee & how? Don't you think such a small transaction is going to incur a loss for you? I guess I'm missing some info here. Well, I'm happy that I was supposed to get a better rate than any other instant exchanges though I haven't checked; I assumed LOL.

Thanks for the update and everything worked on my end now.

I initially thought that I was the only one experiencing it, but I have suspected that you are making some adjustments and maintenance on the back up.

Keep the project alive though, because obviously, a lot of us here uses your website.

I don't know where to post this, but I think that I've found a bug.
If I want to see how many USD is one satoshi, PNNV UI behaves badly and doesn't allow me do so.
PNNV works only with numbers having 7 digits after the decimal point, not 8, without explicitly telling I've entered too small number.

(As a good thing, the competitor I've used, but no more, works with only 2 digits after the decimal point for fiat, so it's even worse at small values.)

I'll check it mate, thanks for letting me know!

i would appreciate it if an ios/android version of your pnnv.com (http://pnnv.com) site would be made available at some point as well
i have been looking for a very good app for a while where i can see price details with very few clicks on my mobile phone
and since i find your project very successful and you can easily be reached for probs, bugs,... here at the forum, the whole thing would be really great 8)

This is a must but the problem is if your partner ChangeNow will allow you that since I heard a lot of issues before about ChangeNow that they randomly ask for KYC procedures for their customers so how would you protect your users if their coins are stuck on ChangeNow?

Yes, it's in Q1 2023, currently im depending on CoinGeko and Coinmarket and working on my own API, it takes time as i need to connect to each exchange independently.
But DEF in Q1 i'll start working on native app. 

When someone swap or exchange, the funds go to my account and in the backend, I'm sending my funds (that's why it takes a bit more time to swap) which means if someone loses money, I am responsible for it.

anyhow, im looking for a better solution, my problem with web3 solutions is that you need to connect your wallet and im looking for better one.

sounds good!
if the app delivers what i imagine then this will be my#1 app on my mobile📱 ;)

There are more websites you can use but I am not sure how they work in real life.
I think that combination of more websites is better and that way you can lower your costs and use free API calls from various websites.

Price monitor is easier to work on Tor, but I am not sure how would ChangeNow exchange behave in that case.

I too didn't notice that but Preev.com is up again. Now we have two sites preev.com and PNNV.com with additional options of exchange as well.


Both working at my end, seems like the maintenance is over.


So how long will one have to wait after sending the funds for exchange. And i understand that you are responsible for it but isn't risky too as there is no escrow  ???

I had the chance to use pnnv exchange today because of the significant increase in the Binance withdrawal fee recently. Since, in Flush.com signature campaign (Not promoting lol) I had a budget of $30  for processing the transaction including the exchange, I couldn't afford a withdrawal fee of 0.001 BTC from Binance. So, I started looking for an alternative and suddenly, I got remembered about pnnv and tried their service. If I used Binance, I would get 0.0303 BTC after all the fees associated while with pnnv, I got 0.0308 BTC. That's a profit of 0.0005 BTC for me (Flush actually) and pnnv saved me from the hassle I had to go through. Thank you for this service. I will keep recommending everyone to use the service. Even if Binance decreases the withdrawal fees, I will probably keep using your site too.
It was a great experience. The transaction was very fast, as promised within 10 minutes, and with a fee of top priority as per mempool (I checked the tx fee + mempool fee). That's nice of you agentF and pnnv. Have a good day.

Hey, in other thread I saw user reporting about this issue:
I see same thing. Can you fix it or you don't maintain website anymore? Preev is still not working as they supposed to work, so, alternatives like this one is needed

I noticed that too, it's been like that for a while. As far as I can see, there is a problem with the exchange widget as well. At least it doesn't load for me.
Both things seem like an API issue


preev.com working, but there are certain problems with the SSL certificate. You probably have to accept the "risk" and continue on that site.

https://preev.net/ always working, unfortunately, the planned improvements are long behind schedule  :-[

I can confirm this. I tried to do a reset but it did not work. It seems to be a problem related to Binance & Bitstamp APIs.
I do not use Telegram, but try to contact them using ----> https://t.me/PNNVMe someone may respond to you, although I think this problem will be solved.
I suggest adding a trusted member like @bitmover, as he has technical experience and is active here.

What kind of improvements are you willing to make? I will be glad to help if you need.


Thanks for suggesting me.

I have 2 similar projects
https://bitcoindata.science/bitcoin-units-converter.html

And this api which makes an image with the price

https://bitcoindata.science/bitcointalk-api.html

https://100bit.co.in is working as well, providing 10 years price comparison for 10 different currencies as an additional feature.

Suggest features to make the portal better @ https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5412015.0.

Can you go spam your own thread?

Hey,

After our conversation over telegram i have decided to return.

Thank you!

It's working now but the url has been shifted to- https://pnnv.com/

Is https://pnnv.com/ still the cheapest instant exchange? I was comparing it with exch.cx and found the below result.

https://i.ibb.co/Ycj7n6K/PNNV.png
PNNV

https://i.ibb.co/yR6FDny/Exch.png
EXCH

I am not promoting any exchange but the purpose is that we get the best value and maybe this competition between the exchanges bring good result for end users like us.

I never thought they were the cheapest as I came from using fixedfload and have compared rates with them during my previous runs-- and fixedfloat turned to always have the best value.

However, I did keep using pnnv exchange because of agentF's reputation in the forum. So I do hope we get timely updates from them about their services.

Do you have calculated the fee? Well, still the later will be cheaper but the difference isn't huge. Anyway, hopefully pnnv will also consider minimizing the fee,.

I see you have removed Bitcoin live price monitoring, pnnv is now exchanger only. May I ask what is the reason for such a decision?


I think you would have to test both exchanges at the same time, with real transactions. And after that to make a court that is more favorable and accessible for use. According to the screenshots you posted, it seems that pnnv.com emphasizes that there are no additional fees, while exch.cx has a flat rate and dynamic rate, and it's not exactly clear how much it is in the final exchange.

I also noticed it just now, I remember they promoted the PNVV as a Preev alternative they even launched a signature campaign for this, they should have continued their Bitcoin live price monitoring, Preev right now is down for several days now, they could have positioned themselves as Bitcoin live price monitoring of choice, they could run both Bitcoin live price monitoring and the exchange for the benefit of the community.

It's not removed actually. The url has been changed. You can find the BTC price update here- https://pnnv.com/btc-price
They need a block/section where it says the change of the url.

Thank you all for your valuable feedback. I take your comments seriously, and I will improve my UI.

It'll have both rate and exchange.

Thanks, I wasn't aware about it, I also thought that they removed price monitoring. But now you can't access it without having direct link. Ok, now it'ssecondary feature of website after exchange, but on main page there is no way to access price monitor.

This is actually the same thing that brought me here. The default page being the exchange page, you could maybe add a small button that users can click on redirecting them to the Bitcoin price monitoring page as an alternative option.

Then OP should consider creating a page for this I can see the Exchange page on the Bitcoin Live Monitoring homepage, but not the Bitcoin Live Monitoring page on the Exchange homepage or he can create a link at the bottom of the Exchange homepage, which will also serve its purpose.

It seems that the site is under maintenance and EXCHANGE  is a ready code for a third-party service and is not part of the site's coding. If you notice that there are some icons that do not work, such as https://pnnv.com/#about, sources, and even Twitter and Telegram links, so let us hope that the new UI update will be better.

Doesn't look like it's under maintenance anymore. I created a trade (without sending any coins, thus not completing it) just now.

Honestly, I was shocked, in a good way, when I read that this exchange does not require KYC. Because I know that ChangeNOW requires KYC, but OP will not enforce it on this exchange. It will be very good for the regulars around here, just as long as shady entities don't learn about this site and use it for money laundering.

Exchange works perfectly!

Link from topicstarter
https://i.ibb.co/TBkHF82/image.png



But link without slash/exchange works well.

Looks like op removed the price monitor and replaced it with the exchange widget instead. The exchange widget on pnnv.com was actually on pnnv.com/exchange back them.

I do wonder if this setup is for good or still part of the maintenance/temporary though.

PNNV is now shifting exchange service completely, so it will keep on the front page. No more live price monitors, I think the reason is that preev is back.

Yep.

Preev is back so at least i could provide exhcnage services.

my service is still working, slowly but surely.

You may want to update the image in the OP (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5410871.0).

Thanks, will be updated shortly

Last time when I browsed your site it only had the bitcoin live price but now I see it turned into an instant exchange. Not a bad idea by the way. Congratulations!

Is the exchange still active? I can't proceed to step 2 to exchange BNB > ETH L2.
I clicked "exchange" but nothing happened.

Try to use it via a normal browser. With TOR I guess the site miss to load some components. You will see the rates are loading and it's a never ending waiting time. In my end, it's working fine.
https://talkimg.com/images/2024/04/23/jO6W5.png

Didn't work either, I even tried mobile browser with default settings. I'm also not sure that the network connection matters for this case.
Anyway, when accessing via mobile for the first time, a pop up appears that the app version is available to install. I was skeptical about doing so, because as far as I've looked in this thread, it was never announced that the app had been released.

With me, on Chrome, it also won't go to step 2, nothing happens when clicking on the "exchange" button. On Firefox everything working smoothly. (I can't go further with deeper settings because I need the current setup of the Chrome browser.)
On mobile, I don't have any suggestions for installing the application.
we are talking about https://pnnv.com here, right?

I was using internet explorer with VPN. It was working. I will try again in some minutes and update the post.
Edit: It again worked for me :-D
https://www.talkimg.com/images/2024/04/25/rUJNW.png

https://www.talkimg.com/images/2024/04/25/rUywm.png

https://www.talkimg.com/images/2024/04/25/rUYi1.png

https://www.talkimg.com/images/2024/04/25/rUvvl.png

https://www.talkimg.com/images/2024/04/25/rUV4J.png
They indeed have the app. It's on their website so I guess there are nothing to be worried and feel skeptical.

Succeed. Well, thanks to you I tried using the app (desktop version) and it worked well. ;D

Yes, it is.

Good to know. But you did not clear if the app worked or the website worked?

Edit: I realize now. The web did not work then?

I would rather wait for agentF to write an explanation and possible changes here than guess.

Yes, it works with the desktop app, it's just a chromium based app so it's very light. In about 5 minutes the exchange process was completed.

And I wouldn't mind to use it because I know I am insured. If anything goes wrong then I will catch agentF and even get a bonus for the metal stress :-P. My point is that since it's already there on the website, I would not feel insecure. After all it's in his official site.

I never used a chromium based app. I thought it's android or ios LOL. That's an app means in my mind.

I used the exchange 2 times within the last week including 1 exchange just now. In any case, agentF is always active on Telegram and Twitter. You can always reach out if you find something unusual.

It looks like the fee is a little above 1%. This is more than acceptable, especially if OP will be able to maintain his no-KYC requirement.
Regarding that, I will ask directly: If I send bitcoin that originates from the ChipMixer or the Sinbad OFAC-sanctioned campaign, there won't be any issues with the swap, since the money first goes into agentF's KYC-ed account?

There is an issue with the exchange window. The pair you enter at the landing page gets cancelled when you click the Exchange button. In the next step where you need to enter address information, it reverts back to the default BTC to ETH view. I hope it's something you can fix.

Hey Yes, Its a new update.


NO offense, i dont want to get invovled with ChipMixer or Sinbad.

None taken. It's your service, so you decide how you want to run it. But I am asking what would happen if you receive funds you or your partners deem "not clean" or "not clean enough". Will you recognize them as such and send them back? Or, do the coins go from your wallet to the instant exchange service where they might get frozen and a KYC check will be asked?

The honest reason is a 3rd party exchange will most likely ask for KYC and Source of funds.

Can we understand this as a certain change in business?
There used to be claims like this:


no-KYC requirements are a very important feature for every exchanger and an option that raises service above the competition. It should probably have defined conditions now, as far as I can see, there is nothing about the terms of use.

Since mixers has been closed on a daily basis.

NO KYC EXCHANGE = MIXER.

And still im not require any KYC unless you send dirty money and the 3rd party will ask for documents.

Maybe you got that impression, but some mixers have been active since 2018, for example. Also, now I would list more exchanges that are closed than mixers. (I mean functional services)

This is a very bad statement, sounds like it's coming from the feds. Everything that is no-kyc must be illegal and bad. I cannot agree with this at all.
In the end, KYC does not have to exclusively refer to exchanges, but also to other types of services.

As I said in the previous post, you should probably have all the terms of use of your platform published publicly. Users must be informed and agree to the rules of your exchange. Especially if the third party can stop the exchange process and ask for additional requests.
To me, this looks like a potential problems in the announcement, because pnnv will be in direct conflict with the user while having very little or almost no influence on solving the problem.

For example, I do not regularly check whether the Bitcoin I received is "dirty" or not. I know that I got it lawfully, but now I have to worry about whether the exchange ^{to whom I trusted and sent my money} will seize them because they estimated that someone once used the same Bitcoin for illegal things.

Kindly provide me with mixers that have been active since 2018. Even Xmr.To is closed.

I am actually a well-known influencer on X (Twitter). I just don't want to reveal my identity (if you know, you know...).

100% of my customers who have sent dirty money used in scams and/or phishing have gotten their money back. I mentioned that I don't want to be affiliated with ChipMixer
I never scammed anyone on this forum and always dealt with 3rd part services on my own.

stop with this "sounds like its coming from the feds" attitude and trying ruin my repution.

EDIT: title has been edited im also working on my own solution without involving 3rd party providers.

Mixtum - 2018
Cryptomixer - 2016
Coinomize - 2019

Jambler has provided API for mixers since 2018, I wouldn't be surprised if they have a partner from the beginning but unknown to us.

If you return the funds because you recognize that they are from illegal flows, then there is no need to do KYC. In this case, it could be a positive and very attractive side for using your exchanges. I would conceptualize the presentation based on that, although I am quite interested in how the process goes through exchanging on your site.

Chipmixer was not closed because it deceived anyone, but it was closed by the authorities because it was allegedly used for money laundering. A similar thing happened a few days ago with the Samurai wallet.

That's the confusing part. Why would they ask for KYC if the coins go through your accounts/addresses where you already completed KYC with them? If the coins go to ChangeNOW through you, the service sees whatever real name is behind the agentF username as the person making the deposit. It's tied to your name, or am I wrong?

Based on the information I know about ChangeNOW, they will freeze the crypto they don't like. You first have to provide them the information they want to get it back. Please correct me if I am wrong here as well. If I am not wrong, how is it then that you can get them back if the person making the exchange refuses to undergo KYC or share any information about SoF?

How about someone knows your address, they have "dirty" money, they sent a little amount to your address and your all coin become "dirty". I guess as we progress, as the days are going - we are becoming more paranoid. There is a scary environment everywhere. :-(

I'm not sure if I understood correctly, but it seems that pnnv no longer does the exchange as a Changenow partner but in its management. Or it has yet to be implemented. Perhaps AgentF should explain clearly.


You have a right point here.
Thanks to the high fees, I now pay much more attention to Coin control when sending, so I have more chances to avoid this scenario.

I think they are still a ChangeNOW partner service. The post you quoted from agentF is a work in progress the way I understood it. He is thinking about implementing the swap in a different way, which wouldn't involve a 3rd party. But I don't think that he has already done it.

You can't put a ''mixer'' sticker on anything you want  ::)
Bisq is open source decentralized exchange without any kyc and it's not a mixer.
You can't send Bitcoin to any exchange and receive different bitcoin back, so exchanges are not a mixer by definition.
Some third party partners can also make any bitcoin risky, even if it's coming from casinos and gambling, that is silly and it makes bitcoin fungibility questionable.

Exchanges shouldn't be considered mixers. I agree with that. But you are getting different coins back if you perform a swap before withdrawing. Deposit bitcoin, swap it for a different asset, and then after some time, swap the received asset for bitcoin again and withdraw. You are not going to get the same BTC back that you initially deposited. I am not saying that the exchange won't see what you did and what you swapped, but they are different BTC UTXOs.

I'm still using ChangeNOW as a partner.

I have a decent volume per day (around 50K-100K per day), but I'm thinking of disconnecting from ChangeNOW as I want to avoid any mistakes that could lead to a KYC requirement.
So far, I have had only one case of KYC requirements. I dealt directly with the company and sent the customer my own funds.

I'm known on Twitter (I won't share my handle on this forum), but I'm considered an influencer, and they're marketing with me as well.

I remember mentioning it.
First, you collect a clientele (a permanent base) and then switch to your exchange software and get 100% profit instead of the interest rate from ChangeNOW.
This is 100% properly invested effort and time, I will be glad to use your exchanger as soon as you get rid of ChangeNOW
Keep developing!

What do you envision the future for PNNV.com to be like? Remember when I asked you about ChipMixer and Sinbad coins, you said you didn't want to be associated with that. But by distancing yourself from ChangeNOW for KYC reasons, does that mean no chances for KYC in the future regardless of the origin of funds? Or will unwanted coins still be rejected using a different algorithm? 

I won't lie to you. I believe in freedom of choice. I really like DEXs without the KYC requirement, not for money laundering purposes.
I will create a DEX swap without KYC, but it will take time as I manage different projects.

Be careful. I don't know where you are from, but something tells me you are from the US. And when I say the US, I mean the TSA (the Tyrannical States of America). You said that you are a popular influencer. Perhaps you are thinking of connecting your real name to your upcoming DEX. Dictatorships, like the US, have changed course and want to make example of bitcoiners and those not in sync with their goals. Would be a shame if the exchange becomes a great success and your name ends up on a warrant. 

Not a US citizen. Im a ukrainian.

Adding those statements together, this makes your exchange a mixer. I take it that wasn't your intention.

It definitely was not my intention.
I am very cautious due to recent events in the mixer industry.