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[AB de Royse777]

Is the exchange still active? I can't proceed to step 2 to exchange BNB > ETH L2.
I clicked "exchange" but nothing happened.

Try to use it via a normal browser. With TOR I guess the site miss to load some components. You will see the rates are loading and it's a never ending waiting time. In my end, it's working fine.

[rat03gopoh]

Try to use it via a normal browser. With TOR I guess the site miss to load some components. You will see the rates are loading and it's a never ending waiting time. In my end, it's working fine.

Didn't work either, I even tried mobile browser with default settings. I'm also not sure that the network connection matters for this case.
Anyway, when accessing via mobile for the first time, a pop up appears that the app version is available to install. I was skeptical about doing so, because as far as I've looked in this thread, it was never announced that the app had been released.

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Didn't work either, I even tried mobile browser with default settings. I'm also not sure that the network connection matters for this case.
Anyway, when accessing via mobile for the first time, a pop up appears that the app version is available to install. I was skeptical about doing so, because as far as I've looked in this thread, it was never announced that the app had been released.

With me, on Chrome, it also won't go to step 2, nothing happens when clicking on the "exchange" button. On Firefox everything working smoothly. (I can't go further with deeper settings because I need the current setup of the Chrome browser.)
On mobile, I don't have any suggestions for installing the application.
we are talking about https://pnnv.com here, right?

[AB de Royse777]

Didn't work either, I even tried mobile browser with default settings. I'm also not sure that the network connection matters for this case.
Anyway, when accessing via mobile for the first time, a pop up appears that the app version is available to install. I was skeptical about doing so, because as far as I've looked in this thread, it was never announced that the app had been released.

With me, on Chrome, it also won't go to step 2, nothing happens when clicking on the "exchange" button. On Firefox everything working smoothly. (I can't go further with deeper settings because I need the current setup of the Chrome browser.)
On mobile, I don't have any suggestions for installing the application.
we are talking about https://pnnv.com here, right?

I was using internet explorer with VPN. It was working. I will try again in some minutes and update the post.
Edit: It again worked for me :-D

I was skeptical about doing so, because as far as I've looked in this thread, it was never announced that the app had been released.

They indeed have the app. It's on their website so I guess there are nothing to be worried and feel skeptical.

[rat03gopoh]

They indeed have the app. It's on their website so I guess there are nothing to be worried and feel skeptical.

Succeed. Well, thanks to you I tried using the app (desktop version) and it worked well.

we are talking about https://pnnv.com here, right?

Yes, it is.

[AB de Royse777]

They indeed have the app. It's on their website so I guess there are nothing to be worried and feel skeptical.

Succeed. Well, thanks to you I tried using the app (desktop version) and it worked well.

Good to know. But you did not clear if the app worked or the website worked?

Edit: I realize now. The web did not work then?

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They indeed have the app. It's on their website so I guess there are nothing to be worried and feel skeptical.

I would rather wait for agentF to write an explanation and possible changes here than guess.

[rat03gopoh]

Edit: I realize now. The web did not work then?

Yes, it works with the desktop app, it's just a chromium based app so it's very light. In about 5 minutes the exchange process was completed.

[AB de Royse777]

They indeed have the app. It's on their website so I guess there are nothing to be worried and feel skeptical.

I would rather wait for agentF to write an explanation and possible changes here than guess.

And I wouldn't mind to use it because I know I am insured. If anything goes wrong then I will catch agentF and even get a bonus for the metal stress :-P. My point is that since it's already there on the website, I would not feel insecure. After all it's in his official site.

Yes, it works with the desktop app, it's just a chromium based app so it's very light. In about 5 minutes the exchange process was completed.

I never used a chromium based app. I thought it's android or ios LOL. That's an app means in my mind.

[Little Mouse]

I used the exchange 2 times within the last week including 1 exchange just now. In any case, agentF is always active on Telegram and Twitter. You can always reach out if you find something unusual.

[Pmalek]

It looks like the fee is a little above 1%. This is more than acceptable, especially if OP will be able to maintain his no-KYC requirement.
Regarding that, I will ask directly: If I send bitcoin that originates from the ChipMixer or the Sinbad OFAC-sanctioned campaign, there won't be any issues with the swap, since the money first goes into agentF's KYC-ed account?

There is an issue with the exchange window. The pair you enter at the landing page gets cancelled when you click the Exchange button. In the next step where you need to enter address information, it reverts back to the default BTC to ETH view. I hope it's something you can fix.

[agentF]

Didn't work either, I even tried mobile browser with default settings. I'm also not sure that the network connection matters for this case.
Anyway, when accessing via mobile for the first time, a pop up appears that the app version is available to install. I was skeptical about doing so, because as far as I've looked in this thread, it was never announced that the app had been released.

With me, on Chrome, it also won't go to step 2, nothing happens when clicking on the "exchange" button. On Firefox everything working smoothly. (I can't go further with deeper settings because I need the current setup of the Chrome browser.)
On mobile, I don't have any suggestions for installing the application.
we are talking about https://pnnv.com here, right?

I was using internet explorer with VPN. It was working. I will try again in some minutes and update the post.
Edit: It again worked for me :-D

I was skeptical about doing so, because as far as I've looked in this thread, it was never announced that the app had been released.

They indeed have the app. It's on their website so I guess there are nothing to be worried and feel skeptical.

Hey Yes, Its a new update.

It looks like the fee is a little above 1%. This is more than acceptable, especially if OP will be able to maintain his no-KYC requirement.
Regarding that, I will ask directly: If I send bitcoin that originates from the ChipMixer or the Sinbad OFAC-sanctioned campaign, there won't be any issues with the swap, since the money first goes into agentF's KYC-ed account?

There is an issue with the exchange window. The pair you enter at the landing page gets cancelled when you click the Exchange button. In the next step where you need to enter address information, it reverts back to the default BTC to ETH view. I hope it's something you can fix.

NO offense, i dont want to get invovled with ChipMixer or Sinbad.

[Pmalek]

NO offense, i dont want to get invovled with ChipMixer or Sinbad.

None taken. It's your service, so you decide how you want to run it. But I am asking what would happen if you receive funds you or your partners deem "not clean" or "not clean enough". Will you recognize them as such and send them back? Or, do the coins go from your wallet to the instant exchange service where they might get frozen and a KYC check will be asked?

[agentF]

NO offense, i dont want to get invovled with ChipMixer or Sinbad.

None taken. It's your service, so you decide how you want to run it. But I am asking what would happen if you receive funds you or your partners deem "not clean" or "not clean enough". Will you recognize them as such and send them back? Or, do the coins go from your wallet to the instant exchange service where they might get frozen and a KYC check will be asked?

The honest reason is a 3rd party exchange will most likely ask for KYC and Source of funds.

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The honest reason is a 3rd party exchange will most likely ask for KYC and Source of funds.

Can we understand this as a certain change in business?
There used to be claims like this:

I don't need to disclaimer as I have full access to solve any problem that may occur.

I DO NOT REQUIRE KYC AND WILL NEVER ASK FOR IT.

If you use chagneNOW they may ask for it not on my platform.

no-KYC requirements are a very important feature for every exchanger and an option that raises service above the competition. It should probably have defined conditions now, as far as I can see, there is nothing about the terms of use.

[agentF]

The honest reason is a 3rd party exchange will most likely ask for KYC and Source of funds.

Can we understand this as a certain change in business?
There used to be claims like this:

I don't need to disclaimer as I have full access to solve any problem that may occur.

I DO NOT REQUIRE KYC AND WILL NEVER ASK FOR IT.

If you use chagneNOW they may ask for it not on my platform.

no-KYC requirements are a very important feature for every exchanger and an option that raises service above the competition. It should probably have defined conditions now, as far as I can see, there is nothing about the terms of use.

Since mixers has been closed on a daily basis.

NO KYC EXCHANGE = MIXER.

And still im not require any KYC unless you send dirty money and the 3rd party will ask for documents.

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Since mixers has been closed on a daily basis.

Maybe you got that impression, but some mixers have been active since 2018, for example. Also, now I would list more exchanges that are closed than mixers. (I mean functional services)

NO KYC EXCHANGE = MIXER.

This is a very bad statement, sounds like it's coming from the feds. Everything that is no-kyc must be illegal and bad. I cannot agree with this at all.
In the end, KYC does not have to exclusively refer to exchanges, but also to other types of services.

And still im not require any KYC unless you send dirty money and the 3rd party will ask for documents.

As I said in the previous post, you should probably have all the terms of use of your platform published publicly. Users must be informed and agree to the rules of your exchange. Especially if the third party can stop the exchange process and ask for additional requests.
To me, this looks like a potential problems in the announcement, because pnnv will be in direct conflict with the user while having very little or almost no influence on solving the problem.

For example, I do not regularly check whether the Bitcoin I received is "dirty" or not. I know that I got it lawfully, but now I have to worry about whether the exchange ^{to whom I trusted and sent my money} will seize them because they estimated that someone once used the same Bitcoin for illegal things.

[agentF]

Since mixers has been closed on a daily basis.

Maybe you got that impression, but some mixers have been active since 2018, for example. Also, now I would list more exchanges that are closed than mixers. (I mean functional services)

NO KYC EXCHANGE = MIXER.

This is a very bad statement, sounds like it's coming from the feds. Everything that is no-kyc must be illegal and bad. I cannot agree with this at all.
In the end, KYC does not have to exclusively refer to exchanges, but also to other types of services.

And still im not require any KYC unless you send dirty money and the 3rd party will ask for documents.

As I said in the previous post, you should probably have all the terms of use of your platform published publicly. Users must be informed and agree to the rules of your exchange. Especially if the third party can stop the exchange process and ask for additional requests.
To me, this looks like a potential problems in the announcement, because pnnv will be in direct conflict with the user while having very little or almost no influence on solving the problem.

For example, I do not regularly check whether the Bitcoin I received is "dirty" or not. I know that I got it lawfully, but now I have to worry about whether the exchange ^{to whom I trusted and sent my money} will seize them because they estimated that someone once used the same Bitcoin for illegal things.

Kindly provide me with mixers that have been active since 2018. Even Xmr.To is closed.

I am actually a well-known influencer on X (Twitter). I just don't want to reveal my identity (if you know, you know...).

100% of my customers who have sent dirty money used in scams and/or phishing have gotten their money back. I mentioned that I don't want to be affiliated with ChipMixer
I never scammed anyone on this forum and always dealt with 3rd part services on my own.

stop with this "sounds like its coming from the feds" attitude and trying ruin my repution.

EDIT: title has been edited im also working on my own solution without involving 3rd party providers.

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Kindly provide me with mixers that have been active since 2018. Even Xmr.To is closed.

Mixtum - 2018
Cryptomixer - 2016
Coinomize - 2019

Jambler has provided API for mixers since 2018, I wouldn't be surprised if they have a partner from the beginning but unknown to us.

100% of my customers who have sent dirty money used in scams and/or phishing have gotten their money back.

If you return the funds because you recognize that they are from illegal flows, then there is no need to do KYC. In this case, it could be a positive and very attractive side for using your exchanges. I would conceptualize the presentation based on that, although I am quite interested in how the process goes through exchanging on your site.

I mentioned that I don't want to be affiliated with ChipMixer
I never scammed anyone on this forum and always dealt with 3rd part services on my own.

Chipmixer was not closed because it deceived anyone, but it was closed by the authorities because it was allegedly used for money laundering. A similar thing happened a few days ago with the Samurai wallet.

[Pmalek]

The honest reason is a 3rd party exchange will most likely ask for KYC and Source of funds.

That's the confusing part. Why would they ask for KYC if the coins go through your accounts/addresses where you already completed KYC with them? If the coins go to ChangeNOW through you, the service sees whatever real name is behind the agentF username as the person making the deposit. It's tied to your name, or am I wrong?

Based on the information I know about ChangeNOW, they will freeze the crypto they don't like. You first have to provide them the information they want to get it back. Please correct me if I am wrong here as well. If I am not wrong, how is it then that you can get them back if the person making the exchange refuses to undergo KYC or share any information about SoF?