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Hello everyone,

I am looking for a list of real cryptocurrency casinos. (My search through the forum posts from the last couple of years didn't yield any results for such a list.) By "real" crypto casinos, I mean online casinos that operate exclusively using bitcoin (and other cryptocurrencies), rather than just allowing players to make deposits and withdrawals using cryptocurrencies. Does anyone have any recommendations or know of any good ones to check out?

I have a few that I play regularly that I don't want to mention here, but I'm always on the lookout for new options that are worth exploring. Unfortunately, it seems like most casinos require registration before you can take a look around inside.

Thanks in advance for your help!


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To be clear are you looking for on-chain games right?

I recently found this casino https://decision.casino/ when I view the services section. They are offering all automated games and based on blockchain. If this kind of casino is what you are looking for then I can help you to find more but most of them is same like this that is not reputable because they are not popular to be tested.

The other one is this https://play.zkasino.io/ but still on testnet but this casino is really   promising because it embodies the true decentralized casino.

By "just allowing deposits and withdrawals using cryptocurrencies", you mean all transactions including the bets are recorded through the cryptocurrency blockchain? I've read something about that recently, but I cannot recall their name. If I remember it correctly, they are planning/ currently online wherein your crypto wallet is directly connected to the casino's system that is entirely crypto based.
I hope you find what you are looking for. Please share if you do :D

You can find an overview of signature campaigns here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=615953.0

There are a lot of sites that advertise through the forum and have fairly good relationships with it (ie having support threads and multiple representatives to answer queries). If you've exhausted searching for a reputable casino in search engines it might be a good place to start.

Make sure you do good research before picking one though (1xbit is a scam and there may be others - especially newer ones) but most of these don't have support and discussion threads on the forum too so that might be one good way of determining if they're reputable or not (as well as checking their trust list) and that a site with one of those threads doesn't have a self moderated warning just above the op.

What do you mean by online crypto casinos that can be directly connected to crypto wallets like wallets without having to make deposits and save your money in the casino wallet first.
If that's what you mean, I don't think any online casino can directly link to a separate crypto wallet nor have I ever come across one like that.
Of all the online casinos that I know of and have encountered, all must register for an account and make a deposit first if you want to play and bet in it.
However, if there is a casino like that, will you trust and believe that the security of the crypto assets in your wallet will be safe and protected from theft or hacking?

There are dapps casinos like what he means but they are not for BTC, they use altcoins either on ETH or TRON which users can use a browser extension wallet to bet. This had been asked before and I think because as a BTC user, I also don't want to deposit from my BTC wallet.

Here are few:
betswap.gg which is in beta.
degens.com maybe you have heard of this also
Hunnyplay casino we see this campaigning in bitcointalk

Wouldn't the list you want include nearly every casino that has an announcement thread in this section?

Stake.com
Bitsler.com
Gamdom.com
500casino
 and nearly every other casino in this section.

For obvious reasons, as you are very active here, i will assume that you already know these casinos who have signature campaigns here so there's no need to mention them including my signature ^(Coinplay). Upon checking google I found this site/blog^[1] list of casinos who are accepting bitcoin, there are lot of them including those who have good and bad reputation in this forum. But i found these list below as worth mentioning for this "real" crypto casinos you are looking

- https://duckdice.io/
- https://crypto.games/

Never tried duckdice, but both of them have ANN thread here.

[1] https://www.provably.com/casino/

this is what I thought too, but I have a feeling OP is talking about something different. AbuBhakar mentioned on-chain games, which could be the one OP is looking for but if not, it would be best for him to just mention the gambling sites he is playing at so people could have an idea what exactly he is talking about.

Why not list the very casinos you've been playing on so we can know where possibly you've been playing so we can also know what to suggest for you.
Meanwhile there lots of casinos that accept mostly cryptocurrency and also Bitcoin but currently now, there are alot of reguly surrounding the gambling industries which I think you know and how hard most of these casinos are trying their best to qeue into while also trying to dance to the time of their customers.
Are are casinos as duelbit and some other very reliable casinos over here and you can also check the reputation board to get more trusted list.

Maybe you need to rephrase question and say that you are looking for casino that doesn't accept any fait deposits and withdrawal, if that is what you are looking for.
This would be poor choice for any gambling website, by doing that they would cut off big parts of profit for people who use different payment options.
I know that Sportsbet is based around Bitcoin but they have other payment options, but I saw there are some new simple gambling websites that only accept BTC.
Don't expect to find wide range of games and betting markets on websites like this.

^This is definitely right, you can't see a wide range of games if a casino only accepts BTC, payment options considering a large slice of pizza in the casino which gamblers prefer to have different options, as of now gambling casinos also accept different payments method not only BTC even though that is a crypto gambling casino. I don't have any to recommend because based on my search, it accept also other cryptocurrencies like altcoins.
Otherwise, it accepts also fiat through bank or debit card so I don't see such a casino that only focuses on BTC.

You should take a look at BTCGOSU:

https://www.btcgosu.com/

On that site you will find the list of all the crypto casinos and reviews from the site and from users, it's one of the most complete lists of crypto sites and you can find the best promotions too. You can use different tools to filter casinos by trust, promotions, and by ranking. So, I'm almost sure that's what you are looking for.

Actually, I'm not just interested in on-chain games, although those do fit the description. I'm interested in casinos that allow me to deposit and withdraw using cryptocurrency (such as BTC) without converting it to fiat currency. In other words, I want to be able to keep my entire bankroll in BTC (or other supported cryptocurrencies) while using the casino. Thanks for the recommendations, anyway.



It seems to me that you did not read or understand my post. That's not what I'm looking for.



These would be Web3 casinos that are based on blockchain technology and digital tokens? No, that's not what I meant.



I think those are good suggestions. I'll check them out. But I disagree with "nearly every casino". A number of casinos I've looked at so far actually convert BTC to fiat and vice versa.

Not sure if this count but maybe you could check out the original crash game: https://www.bustabit.com/
Not only they accepts Bitcoin and won't let you convert it but the UI from before is still the same. This is one of the best casino I can recommend if you are referring to this, or are you referring to a live casino but your balance should be in Bitcoin? as I'm afraid that's not possible.

Yes, that's right, but what the OP is asking is an online casino that can directly connect directly to crypto wallets and use all crypto tokens even Bitcoin.
That's why I also asked the OP if he would trust me so much with an online casino if connecting directly to a Bitcoin wallet, After all bitcoin is the most valuable crypto asset for its keepers especially if the amount is large enough.
If something unexpected happens, such as hacking and scammers, someone will lose all their Bitcoins just because they want to bet without having to make a deposit.
So if you really have to make a deposit, we will do this for the sake of safety and comfort for ourselves.

There are just too many crypto casinos that you can try if the main idea is just about keeping your balance as what you deposit. I'll start with Stake, Primedice, Fortunejack, Coinroyale, Chips.gg, Bitsler, Crypto.games, Betcoin, BC.game, betfury, jacksclub, vipgame, and many others. Basically the number of casinos that convert user's deposit into fiat currency is not much compared to those casinos that keep the balance as what is deposited by users.

Crypto only casino is also a long lasting and established https://crypto.games

We offer only proprietary provably fair games, no third party "never gonna win" slots and deceiving bonuses when you can't withdraw even your own coins. Only fair and square promotions, bonuses and low house edge.

Try it  ;)

The only casino I am going to recommend unless something changes in the future is Sportsbet.io. It has a sportsbook, slots, table games, and live casino games. So no matter if you want to gamble on sports or play games, you will find what you are looking for on Sportsbet.

Deposits using Bitcoin are instant, so you get your money into your account even before there is an on-chain confirmation. The coins don't get converted into fiat, and you wager in mBTCs. I would be careful experimenting with new sites despite what anyone says. Stick with what's been around for years and has established a reputation. It's like if a new BTC wallet comes out. Are you going to abandon Electrum or Bitcoin Core to try out something new? I know that I wouldn't. 

I experienced this on winz.io you can make a deposit with BTC and all your bets are also fixed in BTC units, this casino won't convert them to USD or UER, but I played there last year and maybe around the middle of the year so it's been 6 months more and if I'm not mistaken they have updated the units of betting currencies but don't know the details whether players can choose to stay with crypto units or will it automatically become USD or UER, because I haven't played there in a long time.
Whether the casino is recommended is up to you. If you really don't like KYC then you should think again.

I'm a bit confused about suggesting a casino name because it seems like you have experience playing in many casinos and maybe haven't found the one you want.

But if you want a casino that doesn't convert your BTC into Fiat, maybe you can play gambling at Freebitco.in because, on that site, you can use your BTC without converting it to Fiat. Or maybe I'm wrong because you've tried playing there and had an unsatisfactory experience. But usually, casinos now convert BTC automatically to Fiat following requests from gamblers. Or you can visit BitCasino because I see some gambling games that don't convert BTC to Fiat.

You mentioned exclusivity through deposit and using only one Cryptocurrency you don't need to register to take a look around everything is on their FAQ, about page and how it works you just have to check that out to find out if it's the casino you're looking for. I once come across that kind of casino I just forgot the name, but you can hardly find that kind of casino because all casinos utilize all the popular Cryptocurrencies not just one unless they are using web 3.0 where you have to connect your wallet before you can play, which is something many players ignore or don't want to use.

It's better to mention those few casinos that you have I'm sure one of the readers will be interested in that kind of casino too.

OP should explain in detail what is meant by real cryptocurrency casino he means, people get confused how to find the casino he is looking for properly, at least OP also gives the casino site he plays as an example, OP is looking for offchain or onchain casino sites, information the details will certainly help

OP already explained what he meant......twice actually

I was about asking, what's the difference between a real bitcoin and other cryptocurrency casino and a Casino that allow users to deposit  and withdraw in crypto - pretty the same if you ask me.

But from your second paragraph, it seems you are asking about casino where a user wouldn't have to register to play, I want to understand if the casino you mean is like a decentralized casino where users would have to connect their non-custodial wallet to the casino to play, or are there other type of casinos that are available that doesn't require wallet connection and also doesn't require registration.
I am really curious to know, answer/wit a bit of explanation would be greatly appreciated.

@PX-Z, @joeperry, @Bitinity, @DogecoinMachine, @Pmalek, @Strongkored ...

Thank you for all the recommendations. These are exactly the types of suggestions I was looking for in response to my question. I will definitely check out all of these casinos and add them to my list.

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Everyone can easily check the previous posts in this thread to avoid mentioning casinos that have already been mentioned.

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I'm only interested in using a casino that allows me to play with cryptocurrencies in their native form, rather than converting them into an internal fiat currency. The availability of fiat deposits and withdrawals is not a major concern for me.

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Thank you for your suggestion. While I'm aware of btcgosu, I am not familiar with the criteria they use to rank casinos. So, I would prefer direct recommendations from respected members of this forum.

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No, that's not what I was asking. I have already explained it in previous messages.

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This! Bitcoin is also a crypto. Maybe it will be more valid if he says blockchain-based casinos since they can differ a little to the usual crypto casinos that we see around these days. A real crypto casino can also mean a casino that only accepts cryptos. They don't have stable coins, they don't have third-party payment providers which accepts non-crypto deposits.

You are right there, decentralized gambling sites or also called as web3 casinos are plug-and-play. They don't have these sign up process which takes time but I heard that some of them are not exempted to KYC verifications, so we should wary if our goal is to play gambling anonymously.

If we do talk about real web3 or totally decentralized casinos then they wont really be asking something that it do connects or pertains about KYc which if ever one of them do make out some
claims but still ends up on having the possibility on asking some verification then it is really that completely opposite on what they are claiming.Real crypto casinos could neither be
dex or not but most of the time these platforms or businesses are centralized ones which means that they do really abide some law and regulations
which is really that very common.

Since nobody has yet mentioned it, check BK8.

They only support BTC, ETH and USDT while also supports other fiat methods.

For more details, it's on their announcement thread: BK8 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5318340.0).

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You'll never know, although it's not a casino that I've seen before. It's a decentralized exchange but eventually has asked customers with KYC. So, if it's about web3 or decentralized casinos, you'll never know if soon they'll also the same compliance.

There are lot of options available to you but I would recommend that you go with the options of casino having ANN thread on forum and members have suggested to you instead of trying some out of scope casino in hope of getting exciting rewards as there are many scams as well.You can see my signature casino as well to be on the list for what you are looking for and try others as well but see what fits your gambling goal and then deposit money to play.

I can say for sure that BK8 is not the type of casino Op is asking about, BK8 as I know was not formally a cryptocurrency casino, they were fiat based, it was much later that they started accepting cryptocurrency deposits and withdrawals.
And OP said it clearly in his post that he was not referring to casinos that just allow user to deposit and withdraw in crypto.

I am also confused though, but ive tried reading some previous comments to see if I could really understand what the OP is looking for, and from what I've found, I think he is looking for a casino that is built solely for bitcoiners, that does not have any form of support for fiat, a casino where 1 BTC balance is displayed as 1 BTC in the bankroll, and when gambling, players place their bet in the actual BTC rather than placing bet in the usd value of the BTC.

THis is what i understand so far, i could be wrong anyway.

Well, you can just use the search and see, for example, reviews of crypto casinos here, there is a fairly large list, but there is a review for each and of course requires verification, there are also some crypto casinos mentioned above, but it seems to me that it can help you in choosing https://cryptocasinos360.com

I think the OP can see a lot of casino reputation and has an active discussion thread in this forum, for example the Stake site or some other casino, actually what we recommend is also not necessarily suitable by the OP but I think playing at Stake is better enough as an opinion my personal

It has something to do with his preferred mode of payment wherein direct cryptocurrency as mode of payment to both withdrawal and deposit was more preferred by him. I'm not quite sure why but maybe because of the fees since convertion happens most of the time from crypto to gambling site's token or fiat based to cryptocurrency? On my end i'm fine with using the site's main coin. But I do get his point of betting in Bitcoin and earning bitcoin as well in return. It could be as well with the advocacy that this is a cryptogambling platform which makes sense using this technology as a mode of payment. Again, we just have our own preferences.

Many casinos have instant registration feature which all you need to do is just click next and everything is done so you don't need to worry about entering your personal details for exploration of their UI and others, but you need to complete the registration and probably KYC st the time of withdrawal on most cases.

I do miss the instant withdrawal which is quite good to have and no worries about the fee for instant withdrawal because it gives more satisfaction of our money is arriving in our wallet instead of waiting for few minutes and seriously sometimes waiting few minutes even feels like hours.

There are lots of good casinos registered here onboard this platform and this list as recommended by this reputable, reliable and trustworthy campaign manager can be worth it.
You should know that casinos with presence here are reliable and popular to reckon with.
If I may ask do you really have any challenge with some casinos or is there anything you are getting weary of so as to do away with?

As many people here advertising casinos in their signatures will say, the one in my signature is the trusted one.  :)  Seriously though, with Drake partnering with Stake, there isn't much more you need to feel like they're running a respectable and reputable business with plenty of capital to pay out if necessary.  Feel free to click the banner in my signature and check it out.  I've been using Stake for a while now and have never had any issues other than occasionally not being able to access the site, which is usually rectified rather quickly.  I feel good recommending them and don't think there are any red flags to be worried about.

When they say real cryptocurrencies, they meant that cryptocurrencies were fictitious, I did not understand very well, but all the casinos in this forum are cryptocurrencies, I have not seen a casino that is only with normal money, but the advantage they have cryptocurrency casinos is that everything is faster, everything is done more easily and to withdraw, to deposit is easier, I trust Duelbits a lot, because it is a casino that has a good reputation and has many clients, and is very Well managed, they run contests and are trusted by well-known members of the forum, that's something that means a lot to me.

If we do try to check around then there are lots of reputable gambling sites which we can deal off with.It is really just a matter of effort on making up some research and finding those known or popular ones.
If we do speak about varities of games then the market is really that somewhat complete and there's nothing you could ask for because they are really that offering everything that we do have today.
Just make yourself be sticking into those known sites or platforms rather than making yourself do tend to choose or deal with those new ones.Im not saying they are fraud but its better to make
yourself that avoid on potential problems.

These are sportsbook ratings but they all have casinos.


"A" rated books
nitrobetting.eu (https://nitrobetting.eu) A+ (2013 Nitrogensports)
betcoin.ag (http://betcoin.ag) A+ (2013)    
playbetr.com (http://playbetr.com) A- (2019)        

"B"rated books
mBet.io (https://www.mBet.io) B (2017) Horse racing..
stake.com (https://www.stake.com) B- (2019) sportsbook, (2014) casino.

"C" rated books
Bitsler.com (http://Bitsler.com) C+ (2015)
fortunejack.com (http://fortunejack.com) C+ (2019) sportsbook, (2014) casino.
anonibet.com (http://anonibet.com/)  C (2011)
sportsbet.io (http://sportsbet.io/)  C (2016)
cloudbet.com (https://www.cloudbet.com) C (2013)
Bitgame.com  (https://www.Bitgame.com) C- (2015)    
Loot.bet (https://www.Loot.bet)  C- (2016)
maverickgames.com (http://maverickgames.com) C- (2020)
Owl.games (https://www.Owl.games) C- (2021)
parlayplus.com (https://www.parlayplus.com) C- (2019)
Rollbit.com (https://www.Rollbit.com) C- (2021)
roobet.com (https://www.roobet.com) C- (2019)
Trustdice.win (https://www.Trustdice.win) C- (2019)

In the past there was Directbet that was allowing to play directly with crypto (no accounts required / no deposit etc).
You generate your bet, including a qr code for your deposit, send crypto and bet recorded on blockchain (some casino games/sports bet).

But it's clearly showed some issue for long terms since it's really easy to double spend funds thanks to RBF. If you bet on a game, with the right time you can easily void any bet and not risk nothing.

A site that should work with direct transaction should require at least 1 confirmation for bitcoin (and many many many more for other cryptocurrencies). Without this requirement is pretty useless run a site since (early or late) it will be for sure abused/scammed by some player.

Maybe a solution using LN, could be the right approach ;) but for what I know, there is not anything implemented yet.

Thanks to this topic I have been able to see some casinos that have the most reputation and trust, I saw stake.com and I was surprised that they have so many games that are of many slots, and it is a casino that has a lot of movement, nothing more at the entrance From the casino you can see the movements that the casinos make, the people who are there because you can see those who win, those who lose and that do not seem to be bots, other casinos that are prominent I have not been able to see them but the experience in stake is great, I want check roobet because they have those great contests that are art.

In lieu of this i will like to recommend going through research on the available casinos on the forum here and make your stands about them, you can also look into others crypto casinos online on the internet and try conduct research on them, check their background history and past projects, this may actually intrigue you to choosing them as your preferred but know that there's actually something one must discover about in dealing with them.

Then what’s wrong with these few sites mate? I am sure that these sites will be old enough and have a good reputation atleast. Isn’t it risky to play on new sites? I mean if a site is offering gambling with cryptocurrency and also offering attractive bonuses, then you will leave these old and reputable casinos for these new and shady casinos? I can’t say about your choices, but for me quality over quantity matters. Nevertheless I will still recommend you some pure crypto casinos which are old and reputable. Stake, PrimeDice, Rollbit, Fortunejack are one of the best crypto casinos in the market. Do check their terms and conditions before depositing any money mate.

Okay, so after seeing the further posts, it's just that OP would rather play with pure crypto, instead of its value tied to fiat.

For instance, he would prefer betting 1,000 Sats rather than the dollar value.

Betfury and Crypto.games support this, although I see the owner of the latter already posted before mine.

Are you sure? What about casinos like Stake and Sportbet? I think you can deposit fiat. There are also other crypto casinos that you can be able to deposit fiat too, but in a way that it is the money that you deposit that you will withdraw.

Duelbits is a very good gambling site, but there are also other good gambling sites on this forum like Trustdice, Livecasino, Rollbit, Roobet and some other ones too.

Unfortunately Duelbits, Rollbit and Roobet are not the casinos that fit to what is wanted by OP. As far as I remember these 3 casinos convert user's deposit into usd although players are still able to withdraw as the currency they use to deposit. I'm not sure about Trustdice and Livecasino as I have not tried them yet, but it they have the system like the other 3 casinos, means that OP will not be willing to use them too because he want to keep his balance as the crypto he deposit.

Casinos like sportsbet have the option of gambling with crypto directly without converting them to USD balance in your account so he can have a look at it and it's one of the most famous crypto casino with sportsbook option as well.There might be others but what OP is looking for sportsbet.io is good option for him.

Top casinos https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5419723.0

If Effie isn't a trusted member then I don't know who is:

https://i.postimg.cc/V6gmhbXN/image.png

Before writing a review he checks a casino and everything they have to offer, and his criteriums are pretty high. On the site, you have his detailed reviews and ratings, but you can also rate any casino as well:

https://i.postimg.cc/QxhmJKdz/image.png

I will suggest Starsbet. A relatively new casino, they don't have many games as some others, but recently they added a new one, so I guess they are working on that. It's a dividend-based casino, and I can say that daily payouts are nice for the amount of the Stars tokens I hold. I have a lot of deposits and withdrawals, so I guess it's a nice place that has the potential to become even better in the future!

You are already here in the community for a long time and of course, most of them are promoting their mode of payment which is bitcoin and also another feature supported by a lot of more coins for being convenient to the players, I don't get it why you still seeking for the casino using a bitcoin because here most of them are using the bitcoin as mode of payment for transactions of deposit and withdrawals, it depends now on your preferences to choose with, you are wearing a signature of one of the top casino here that's run for a long time.

I have done these investigations, and I have found many casinos that have to do with Cryptocurrencies, but I do not trust myself, because sometimes you play and then they ask for a deposit and you win very quickly and easily and I do not have much available to do tests so, because it could be that they turn out to be scammers who make ghost sites so that people leave their money there and then keep that money, I prefer to trust the casinos that are here in the forum and not search the internet, the internet is They can get many sites, but it is very difficult. If casinos enter here in the forum and sometimes they cheat, what is left for others?

I agree with you mate, but we must also not forget that it all about taking risk, there are times when we do try all means to avoid mistakes from happening but eventually our greatest fear becomes the order of the day and can't be prevented from happening, crypto casinos too have challenges of all kinds not to mention and this can deter them from delivering upto expectation but we must be careful to always invest or safe up only amount of money stipulated for gambling purposes on the casino wallet should incase things went unexpected with them.

^Definitely right, OP was here in the forum for how many years and I think Op knows very well what are casinos that only accept BTC.
Try to ask Devans, the owner of two gambling casinos that only accept BTC and until now only BTC was accepted though other gambling casinos accepted altcoins as a wide variation when it comes to the selection of the coins to deposit.
@OP, try to read this casino's TOS.
https://www.bustabit.com/tos
https://bustadice.com/tos

I don't think you understood my question. As I mentioned before, not all casinos advertised here solely operate with cryptocurrency. Some may accept a deposit in bitcoin, for example, but then convert it to fiat currency before allocating it to your account. And when you wish to withdraw funds, they will convert the balance back to cryptocurrency before allowing you to withdraw it to your wallet. I am looking for a casino that does not engage in this conversion process.

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That's an interesting idea. However, as you mentioned, there are not yet any betting platforms that have implemented LN. At least as far as I know. Strange, actually, that not a single casino has implemented LN gambling yet. I can't think of any reason why they wouldn't, so I assume it's just a matter of time.

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Exactly. Thanks for the recommendations, I'll add them to my list.

That is in any case the first step, how are you going to be successful if you do not know your opponent and the general competitive framework of your business - be that a casino or anything else. What can be done after that initial research is exactly what the OP is doing: asking directly, because there are many things that you may not see for yourself even trying other's sites.

Yes, I agree with both of you guys, as what you two said are exactly on track, because moreover, this forum is the best online community any crypto gambler should ever fine his/herself, as it has got both experience personnel and all the resources needed to scale through in the gambling/crypto currency (Bitcoin) industry. So if you O.P could take out time to read through all the comments made here on this thread, you will come across a whole lot of useful and vital suggestions that will help you in your journey.

Yes. I regularly read through all the comments in this thread and there are certainly a lot of good suggestions that have been made. I agree with this. Additionally, I also encourage other users to share their personal experiences with cryptocurrency casinos, whether it be positive or negative, as this will greatly help me in my research and decision making.

The whole idea is that no where is safe and no casino is the best, everyone of them are just trying towards working out their perfection to the suitability of the gamblers, there might be discomfort be it little or big but being able to overcome it is what matters which some casinos have not yet discovered the means to, that's why on the list of the casinos here present on the forum, they will attend to you amicably to issues and challenges regarding their platform, others we cannot be sure of their stance are those outside the forum, whereby any little fluctuations or challenges can lead to their closure, they are not only weak in that but vulnerable to getting attacked.

I think this is why OP created this thread... he does not want to do the research by himself and he wants other players to provide him with casinos that they have already tested. You can browse the web and find many casinos, but how many of those casinos are just a front for an elaborate scam?

Now you deposit money into these scam casinos to test it and you cannot withdraw it.  ::) The more threads we have like this, the better for everyone... because a search for this thread title, will provide a value resource that can be trusted.  ;)

Example : https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5434610.0

Well, it's not like I don't want to do my own research, but as I mentioned earlier, in many cases it's very difficult to get such information first hand. For instance, many casinos claim to accept bitcoin for deposits and withdrawals, but their terms do not clarify if they also convert it to fiat currency on their platform.

If I am not making a mistake, almost all the casinos making advertisement on signature campaign and have an ANN thread in the forum accept cryptocurrencies. And also if want to know more on them, you can check reputation board and also Here (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=615953.0) but not all in this link has the reputation in the forum and outside the forum, so if your dealing with them, you have to know them well before involving yourself with them.

If you like research, click these links.
1. List of Gambling Platforms. (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5238786.0)

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3. My list of good crypto casinos (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5407582.0)
And also take google as your best friend to find this out.

I don't think a literate person should think much about this because it's all about betting and the right calculation/exchange, and whether it's Bitcoin or fiat, it doesn't matter. The value of the wager itself shouldn't be the reason why anyone should be scared to use crypto, this is about simple calculations, and the betting will all be risked correctly.

One should only be wary of the casino that would force a high crypto wagering minimum on them, that is the only where issues would arise in this regard.

at stake when the person makes a deposit in cryptocurrencies, even when playing with cryptocurrencies the person can see that every time the price of that same cryptocurrency drops or rises the balance of your account at stake.com also fluctuates depending on that price movement, with that you can see that they don't convert to fiat, at least that's what I've noticed, because it's happened to me many times that I won a bet but because the price of bitcoin or litecoin dropped a lot so my winnings were reduced or my balance was reduced Of course, it has an advantage when the price of bitcoin or litecoin goes up a lot. in any case, I think that having many accounts in casinos is also a big risk of having to kyc in many casinos

Well, I strongly disagree. This is a BitcoinTalk forum, and we are discussing cryptocurrency casinos. So why should I even be concerned with fiat currencies? If I deposit Bitcoin, I want to play with Bitcoin and I want to receive my winnings in Bitcoin. If a casino cannot provide that, it should not be considered a cryptocurrency casino.

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Thank you for your input, this is exactly the type of response that I would like to see more of in this topic.

Has anyone else had similar experiences? Can anyone confirm this?

What the OP can do is if he doesn't want to create account in all these casinos,
he can start reading the thread of each reputable and known casinos in this forum.
There are so many discussions that he can already get an idea how the casino is operating like if your deposit will be converted to USD or not.
He can also directly ask on the thread if he is not into reading all the posts, and for sure, someone will answer his query.
This is the advantage in this forum. You can have direct contact also with their respective reps if you can't get a hold of them via site chat support.

Of course, reading our forum and specifically the gambling section is very useful and informative.  Because the information is obviously written here by those who have been on the forum for a long time and have been gambling in various casinos for a long time.  And has experience with cryptocurrencies.  However, it will take a long time to read.  Not every even very patient reader will cope with such a task.  In my opinion, it’s better to gradually study what our colleagues write about a particular large casino.  Starting, of course, from the first post and necessarily what the OP posts. 
In this way, a more or less real picture of what is happening in the online gambling market can gradually turn out.

With the same logic, means that there is no real crypto casinos anymore because most casinos are now regulated and licensed that makes them have KYC policy which strongly against the anonymity of cryptocurrency? Perhaps we have different perspective about this but for me, I will still consider any casino which started their business by accepting crypto first regardless how their credit/playing unit system. As long as I can deposit and withdraw mainly with crypto, I'll consider it as crypto casino.

Or, instead of browsing through existing forum topics to find an answer, he can also create a new forum topic specifically for his question. This will ensure that his question will be seen and answered by members of the community who are knowledgeable about that specific subject. In addition, by creating a new topic, other members with similar questions may also benefit from the discussion. There's nothing inherently wrong with this approach, in fact, it's the correct way to use an online forum platforms.

If I understood it correctly, the point is not about KYC but what currency they use. I mean, you can't really say a platform is a crypto platform if they don't use crypto at all, but you can still call a marketplace a crypto marketplace if they accept crypto regardless if they need KYC or not. I do agree that KYC is really a pain in the ass, and considering how many companies leak data recently, I'd stay away from any centralized platform for now.

As long as there is no recent thread that asks the same question, I also believe that creating a topic to discuss some questions is okay. Obviously, the "recent" part is debatable but as long as it is not within days/weeks and the discussion is not yet dead, I think it is fine to create a new topic to discuss the question.

I think you can refer to this[1] faq if I understood it correctly. While it does not explicitly confirm that winning is calculated on fiat or crypto, it at least confirms that crypto is the preferred way to show your balance, hence the fiat values will fluctuate.

[1] https://help.stake.com/en/articles/5095843-balance-changes-for-view-in-fiat-currencies

I would put a hold on using BC Games until a resolution is found here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5434864.0
A user has recently posted that they are having troubles withdrawing. It has not yet been addressed by BC Games, who from what I have seen do participate in the forum.
I will update this post when it is resolved.

I didn't know that BC.Games had problems, they have a lot of promotions and apparently they have a very good commitment to players, it's strange, in the thread they offer many bonuses, contests and more things that attract players, but I had seen that this casino It had been a reform of another casino that I had seen with a similar name, it is quite strange that a player does not want to pay knowing that everyone is aware of that casino, this will lead many players to distrust and it is a shame because it is a company that He is doing something wrong and it is not well seen, I don't think they will not pay, it would be silly.

That may be so, but it is still off-topic for this conversation because I was very clear in posing my question.

As I previously stated, I want to gamble with the real deal, the cryptocurrencies in their native form, not some domesticated version of an internal fiat currency.

Well, there are a bunch of casinos that are as per your requirements. However, I would recommend following platforms that are found authentic and trusted. Such as  duckdice.io
duelbits.com
Stake.com
betnomi.com
and many more. You can choose the one which meets your requirements.

Your list make sense, but in as much as I believe duckdice to be one of the long standing casinos that have managed to scale through many challenges and come out still standing as one of the reputable casinos on this forum, I still would not recommend them just yet.

Recently, they have been a lot of complaints from their customer, complaining about their accounts been blocked while trying to request for withdrawal, though the team have made us understand that some of this complaints are not genuine but only coming from some one who was head bent on blackmailing the casino, this still does not remove the fact that some of the complaints are still genuine as well, so I would look away from them until those issues are completely resolved.

If I'm getting it correctly this thread is turned out to be a promotion for some casinos that will never get the chance to be promted here.
No matter the incentive,.. They should solve the accusation in question before starting any other promotion campaign.

Whenever we can emphasize what is wanted for OP, it is that he can have a great range in terms of what his budget yields and that he can play a lot (at least that is what every player wants) the second thing that is sought it is that the player is prosperous and to achieve that he has to earn a lot, so that is where the best platforms are sought. Cryptocurrencies are the best way to take money anywhere in the world instantly, this is one of the things that can be taken advantage of, therefore, when it comes to recommending casinos, you have to see the most reputable ones and launch yourself without fear and venture out .
 
Now, a very important point, when there is an accusation of a casino that is a scam, you have to be very careful, I would recommend being extremely careful when dealing with that casino, here the forum has the particularity of being able to get feedback to be able to have a better precision of how things are going with that casino.

Cryptocurrency price fluctuation might make gambling with them difficult. If you're not seeking to profit from price swings, it shouldn't be a big deal. I concentrate on gambling and ignore price changes. Due to market volatility, cryptocurrency gaming is riskier.

KYC in various casinos can be a bother, but it's important for casino and player safety. Gambling with cryptocurrency may have certain drawbacks, but the exhilaration of adopting this new technology may make it worth it

It may sound trite, but it is always good that apart from being able to show the balance in cryptocurrency as in fuiat money, the person in the casino has the freedom to make an exchange to fiat or to any other crypto, this to be evident in the possible losses that may occur due to a sudden change in the market, then this can have an impact on saving a little in his money value, if the player is interested in having his money in a fiat value.

The so-called internal exchanges would be an inflatable option of comfort, of course, it must also have its precautions in terms of its rules, that is, that players do not take an internal exchange as making use of a large Exchange.

From several lists of trusted casino names that you have recommended are very good and all of them are casinos with good reputations and have a very high level of trust from gamblers.
I myself have also used some of these casinos from the first time I entered online gambling and it's been quite a while. My personal experience has never been a problem and the casino can really be relied on.
One question from me, since you recommended several of these casinos, have you used all of them from the casino list yourself?

If you're looking to gamble with fiat currency, you've got plenty of options with traditional casinos. But for those of us who are into crypto, the volatility that comes with it is just part of the package. Sure, there's a bit of risk involved, but that's also part of the excitement. Plus, the added security and anonymity that comes with using cryptocurrencies make it worth it for me. At the end of the day, we're here because we love crypto and all the benefits that come with it.


Yes, internal casino exchanges can be handy for some, especially if you're looking to convert your balance to a cheaper currency before cashing out. But, I personally steer clear of them. They usually have less favorable exchange rates and hefty conversion fees compared to regular crypto exchanges.

VGO Promo (https://vgopromo.com) is a website that provides a list of real cryptocurrency casinos that operate exclusively using bitcoin and other cryptocurrencies. VGOPromo regularly updates its list of recommended casinos, and all casinos listed on the website have been thoroughly vetted to ensure they are safe and trustworthy.

Hello there! I have signed up on fairspin to stake TFS, how profitable is it?

It’s fairly good in comparison to other tokens, but you’ll need a lot of time to see the returns. The rate depends on the holding period.

and how is the apr looking?

I just wanna say that I’ve been using this platform for a long time.I have doubled the money I’ve invested, it’s insane!. Their APR is pretty high too, around 500%

Huh, that’s pretty good.

Yeah, I agree. Fairspin is pretty good altogether.

ok, anyways, thx for the info.

Casino should have extra rules about that, just like how casino works with money laundering or potential mony laundering or any illegal actions using the internal exchange, but I agree that having it will bring additional interest with the gambler, if they can exchange their crypto to their desire fiat or another crypto asset, for sure there are gambler that will use the services.

I´m a little unsure if what they are doing is a paid promotion or if they really have good returns, I can only speak worse than I know, I have bought BFG toekns at betfury, but I am afraid because they have marked the casino with a point of negativity in their profile and from what I've seen here in the forum when they do something like this, if they don't worry about fixing that problem quickly, it's very likely that everything will go to the ground, I have my investment, which isn't much there, and not me I know what to do, if I withdraw I will do it with a loss, if I wait I think the price of the token will continue to drop, there must be a casino where they do things better with their tokens.

Token value of their own coins would definitely be reflecting out on whats the casino is currently been doing or does depending into their popularity and reputation on which if there's such high interest then expect that it would be that valuable but if there are something wrong then expect that it would be affected out.We do have other things which is inevitable like market condition which is also a factor on make everything going down to the floor.This is why as an investor, then it wont matter if you are holding or dealing with some casino tokens which it would be still subject to volatility which it isnt really that surprising at all.
When it comes to choices of crypto casinos then we do have lots of options to take.It is really just a matter of preference on which one you would be taking.

I believe this is already permitted since some casinos have a varieties of coins they support and you can always make an exchange from one to another while on the casino, there's just a slight difference between them and the exchanges but they share this in similarities, all these are what a gambler should check to verify if they have such function that can serve them on this purpose before going far with a casino.

Casino tokens are worth their fame and achievement. Popularity and success raise the casino's token value. As you said, market swings will affect the token's value. Before investing, research the market.

Bitcoin casinos provide many possibilities. Finding the best option is crucial. I focus on casino security, gambling, and service. These determine your gambling time and money.

Casino token betting is risky. Investing in multiple things can improve your sleep and long-term success.

That's the point of looking for more information about the casino that we want to use to find out the advantages and disadvantages of the casino and so we don't choose the wrong casino to play gambling. This is also useful for us to avoid all the things that might affect our account later in the future. But it seems like there aren't many casinos that have exchange features at the moment and I don't know I don't know for sure about that because, for now, I still use bitcoin for gambling and if I want to withdraw money from the casino, I still use bitcoin.

Yes, what happens is that they are very open things, it is not known how it can be treated, I know that some casinos demand certain conditions, and when there is a lot of money they tend to treat it very carefully, perhaps one of the indications is to block your account and not being able to move your funds or similar things, and that can bother the players, it's something delicate, I think that a casino here has to know how to handle things, otherwise it can get into trouble, both with the player and with the site, and sometimes you have to be careful with the type of deposit and that's why KYC comes in, because at least the data of the owner of the money is known in case of any eventuality.

Stick with popular ones and you would really be able to avoid such possible pain in the ass problems when it comes to kyc specially on new ones.It is really a very common that problems exist when someone do
end up on touching up those new and non popular.Im not saying in all new sites but high chances that you might be ending up on dealing with something not that good.

This is why im not really that interested on touching up new platforms but if it turns out that there's something interesting on what they do offer then i might be having that reconsiderations
but in most cases which im not really taking up some decision on touching up.

Just as you've said some don't permit the features for making exchanges but I've seen quite few ones that does that, they have the list of their supported currencies which is made provisioned through the addresses they generated for you, when we consider gamblers having a nice experience with the casino then there must be a good and thorough search on a desiring one which could constitute varieties of features to serve for better experience for the gamblers.

Just a friendy warning guys, I think it'd be good for everyone to stick to the topic in this thread. I don't wanna start reportin' posts to the moderators, but I suggest that anyone who wanna continue discussin' here at least read the first post first, ya know what I mean?
Thanks for understanding.

The majority of casinos always offer similar things to others, of course internal exchanges are something that attracts attention, that is something very obvious, but we cannot forget that other services can also be offered, for example, not like 1 year ago It was a casino, but it was a gaming platform (PVP) that had the option of trading through a game, what I did not see is that if that trading obeyed movements in real time, according to that platform it was, So it was like binary options but in the form of a game, so it's not so bad, it's something similar to an exchange, but since it works within a gaming platform, then a casino should imitate a game like that, which in reality is a trade.

I wonder why some things are the preferences of some people because I see nothing much in getting your money out of a casino with the medium you put the money in. A lot of ways are devised to cheat the world's integrity system these days, and this is how it starts. If any casino is allowing you to deposit through a means and withdraw through other means, I believe they are not to be trusted internally.

They might pay your money, but surely, their regulation is either very weak or fake, that's if they preach they have one.

Playing in a popular casino can at least keep us from the problems that might arise if we play in a new or unpopular casino. Choosing a new casino is also not easy because we don't know how they treat new members and only by trying can we find out. But to try this requires sacrifice and we must know the risk that we can get into trouble later.

Usually, I will try to play on a new platform after people give a review that the new casino is worthy of being the next place to play gambling. Especially if the new casino can provide attractive bonuses that can bring many gamblers to its place, it might be the next choice to play gambling there.

Having an exchange feature in the casino is fun because we can choose the coins we will use for depositing or withdrawal. And we can also exchange our coins for other coins to gamble because gamblers send bitcoins to casinos and then exchange them for other coins to gamble. Yes, it is a good experience that gamblers can get and they can recommend it to their friends to try out the feature.

Some casinos have this feature already which lets them choose what type of coins they will use in playing through the casino website and in their withdrawal process. It gives the players the flexibility to pick what they think suits them best. And I think it's a good way to offer your clients options and alternatives so that they won't get bored in the process of playing in your casino site.

However, having exchanger inside the casino website needs planning too because of course, it will need to have budget allocation for it to be established and for it to be maintained. Giving lower transaction fees could entice the players to use the exchanger so the fee should be taken into consideration, after all, unnecessary expenses should be cut is what most of profit-based gamblers thinking.

Just as you've said, the gamblers has their own choice in deciding for which casino they were going to use base on the offer they've got from them, also i want to believe as well that the casinos in most cases considers the advantages of having this supported currencies in numbers because it will also pays them than it couldn't, what's the need for exchanging the coin i have and would love to gamble with when the casino am using already has the features that supported it already.

As long as the transaction fees are not too high compared to exchanges, gamblers will not complain about this and it will help them choose the coins they will use to gamble or withdraw the money. And maybe gamblers will divide their money into several coins at once and use different coins for each gambling game. And gamblers know which casino they can choose to play gambling so they can get comfortable playing it. But if the casino does not have the exchange inside their site, that will be no problem for gamblers as a gambler will deposit their favorite coin.

From my personal experience using several crypto gambling platforms regarding transaction costs, almost all of them are the same and there is only a slight difference, but in transaction costs when making deposits or withdrawals, only Bitcoin has the highest transaction fees.
For every gambler who wants low fees I recommend using altcoins like ETH or BNB because I'm sure that a popular gambling platform will have lots of crypto choices that can be used.
I myself prefer to use Bitcoin even though the fee I have to give is a little more expensive but by using Bitcoin it can make transactions quickly and easily even I am too comfortable using it so I have never used other crypto tokens to do gambling.

Well, you're right, what happens is that when casinos only use Bitcoin, they don't get so interesting when the price of Bitcoin rises, because bitcoin transactions tend to be very expensive, and that's something that's demotivating. Therefore, a solution may be internal exchanges and that the casino acquires the LN system within its casino so that clients have all the comfort possible to do their business and do not have any complaints, in addition to network congestion it is something that can be given and that also causes a lot of discomfort, I think it is one of the things for which many casinos acquire other cypto.

These transaction fees can seriously cramp a gambler's style. It's important for these gambling platforms to give players a choice when it comes to which cryptocurrency they wanna use, while also being mindful of the fees that come with each one. With all these new altcoins popping up left and right, it's dope that there are more options now for players to choose from, and find a coin with a lower fee. And yeah, DOGE is a solid choice in that regard - it's cheaper than most of the other coins out there. It's crazy to think how the rise of these altcoins is shaking up the gambling scene, and it's gonna be hype to see what's in store for the future. Think altcoins will eventually dethrone Bitcoin in gambling industry? It is a really tempting idea

Check our casino https://betcrypto.cr for sign up is just email and password we are KYC free for ever !

Thanks for the suggestion; I'll make sure to check out your casino when I get a chance. However, I couldn't help but notice that your ANN thread hasn't been updated in quite some time, and the title still reads "Coming soon". I'm curious, does this mean that the casino is still under development and not yet ready for launch?

reading from some of the chat threads created by @Betcrypto.cr it looks like the casino is currently under development.
but it's a little strange that the casino has been posted since November 2022 and to this day it still says coming soon.

logically if indeed the casino is under development at least @Betcrypto.cr buys copper members to post clearer and detailed pictures of its casino business. so that people can believe that the casino is under development.
and to be honest, until now I have never tried the casino because I was a little doubtful

I think he should make a decent post about his site first. Creating a detailed ANN thread is better so it won't create confusion for those who want to explore it. If it's still under development, they should polish it first before asking the players to try out their casino because it might cause problems in the end which will be unfair to the users.

Your online casino is quite new and judging by the number of followers (21) behind your Twitter, for example, besides, the last tweet there was in mid-January, which suggests that you somehow don't really care about attracting new players, there is only a bot in telegram instead of a channel. Unfortunately, now it is not possible to promote a product without hype and promotion, especially in such a competitive environment as online gambling.

They did posted an ANN thread for their casino, which can be found here (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5419580.0). However, it appears that they didn't invest much effort into making it engaging and enticing for potential players. That's why I asked him about whether the casino site is still being developed.

I agree that they should finish up the casino site before promoting it. It just makes more sense.

No tweets since mid-january is definitely a low level effort. For a new casino, you really need to be on top of your marketing game. Social media channels are extremely important. Posting new tweets, promotions, information and so on is crucial.

In no way could any altcoins dethrone bitcoin, even so, in a casino that is purely altcoins it could be invalidated or destroyed if bitcoin dropped a lot in price, because how could they be sustained? All altcoins depend on Bitcoin, there is no altcoin that has a life of its own, in fact casinos integrate new altcoins into their platforms to make transactions cheaper and more accessible, but I am sure that the players that have and withdraw their altcoins will change to bitcoin or a stablecoin, just because of the current situation as it is, this is undoubtedly one of the things that we must be clear about.

For a new casino to grow as fast as possible, what they need is promotion. They need a consistent promotion for both influencers and gamblers who will like to invite there friends and family. Running promotion like ads, signature and many more will help the new casinos to be known by gamblers and as new gamblers keep joining it, more gamblers will starting knowing the casino.
One of the major problem that many of these casinos may not able to go for promotion is because of lack of funds to get it started.

It is true, but you have to be smart with the type of promotion, for example here in the forum there is the option of signature campaigns, and you can also promote if you have active social networks with many followers, because those who are in gambling and sports betting you are always looking for new opportunities to try and win, a casino is obviously seen as an opportunity, but advertising is an investment that will pay for itself over time , so there is nothing wrong with being able to make the effort, I know that every start is hard, but it is worth trying to have good benefits in the long term.

Yeah right, the harvest of success is possible if you market your network the right way, I mean if you start promoting and those people who will be interested will use your promotional link then the profits is surely be decent for you,

it's just a matter of how you know and how you will use your opportunities to take advantage and make sure that you'll going to promote and invite interested people to use your referrals along the way there's always a good possible benefits from each gamblers that will play and enjoy inside the casino site.

I agree that advertising is an investment that pays for itself over time. The key is to find a promotion that is effective and efficient. I think it is also important to track the results of the promotion to see how effective it is. It helps you to know what works and what doesn't work, and you can make adjustments and improve the promotion to get better results. Another thing to consider is the target audience. It's important to identify who your target audience is and tailor your promotion strategies to them. For example, if your target audience is young adults, you may want to focus on social media platforms such as Instagram and TikTok, as these are popular among that demographic. On the other hand, if your target audience is older adults, you may want to focus on traditional advertising methods.

But, the most important thing to consider is the quality of service that the casino provides. No matter how much you promote the casino, if the service is not good, customers will not return. Therefore, it's important to provide excellent customer service and ensure that the casino offers a great gaming experience. Quality of service is key to retaining customers and attracting new ones. This can lead to positive word-of-mouth promotion and help to attract more customers.

If it is about being smart, they better go with bounty campaigns as it gives them more exposure and the cost of it can be cheaper than what we are paying for a sig campaign in the service section. They shouldn't worry if they have less followers in their social media accounts and other platforms because one of the requirements in a bounty campaign is to follow the company.

A casino business is still considered as an investment but unlike the typical investment, we only need to put more effort on here. If we are successful, the profits that we can get is more extra ordinary than any other investments out there because gambling industry is high in demand right now.

Nobody considers the casino business as an investment.
The casino business was built using quite a lot of cash capital and the owner must continue to prepare money at any time if needed and profits from this business can be obtained at any time without having to wait for a long period of time if the casino has achieved success and managed to become a big casino while investing someone spends money to get profits and profits can be obtained when what is invested has high value and requires patience because investments tend to be long term.
Even though both are equally profitable, they have a big risk of experiencing a loss or losing the amount of money spent.
But it is true what you said that the gambling business can generate more profits than an investment.

Yes, it is an investment. How did you say that nobody considered casino operation as a type of investment? Every business is an investment. The owner invest to operate, market, and maintain the casino. How cannot it be considered as an investment in the first place???

Several last posts are out of topic already as the discussion is no longer about what is asked by OP. I suggest you guys to stick on the main topic, it is about casinos where players can deposit/play/withdraw with crypto and where the casino do not convert it into fiat. @decodx, I think you need take an action for your thread, better to lock it if the discussion is no longer on your main topic.

Yes, some conversations here are out of topic but the OP has asked which are the recommended crypto casino where we can deposit and withdraw in bitcoin/crypto and i guess all of the casinos we know here on bitcoin talk are crypto-based casinos  ???

The question is so opened ended that it can lead to any discussion.

And also none of the casinos convert your money into fiat, we have the option to withdraw in bitcoin or any other supported crypto by the gambling site.

that's what I thought a long time ago if you want to be rich don't become a gambling player but become a casino gambling site owner, because of course the money spent remains the same, the gambler spends a lot of money and sells all his assets to play and continues to lose and also lose while the gambling site owner spends a lot of money at the beginning then withdraw all the profits every day. that's why I don't want to be rich because gambling will be difficult, changing my mindset to play wiser, after all talking about investments and profits of course being a casino owner is more profitable than being a player in that casino

Op has his own criteria on what is Real Cryptocurrency casinos as what he said in other posts in the first page. Yes we are here at bitcoin forum and all casinos here are crypto based casino but there are some casinos that do convert our deposit into fiat and we cant play with crypto value on our bet since the value unit is converted into fiat by the system of the casino. Duelbits is one of the example, once you make a crypto deposit, your balance will not be shown in crypto, but it will be shown in coin (usd). Lets say you make a 0.01btc deposit, you wont see it in your account balance as 0.01btc but it will be shown as 277 (usd). It means that players are not able to play something like 100 satoshi 1000 satoshi etc but players will be able to play with 0.01/0.1/1 coin (usd).

Of course, no casino converts gamblers' money into fiat because money and fiat are the same thing.
I'm a little confused about what your sentence means.
The option to make withdrawals or deposits using bitcoins and other types of crypto is certainly supported by gambling sites because all the casinos here are cryptocurrency based.
From the 4 sentences of your post in the last sentence I can't understand it, try to give a clearer response in each sentence.

I guess you haven't really played in many casinos because that is so not true. Some online casinos may allow you to make a deposit using Bitcoin, but they convert the cryptocurrency into fiat before crediting it to your account. Similarly, when you want to withdraw your funds, they convert it back to cryptocurrency before allowing you to transfer it to your wallet. Bitinity gave a good example regarding Duelbits casino.

No one would invest in a casino without business considerations. The main purpose is to invest money and get returns from it. But the short term or long term returns from the casino will depend on the popularity of the casino. If a casino can attract gamblers in a short period of time then there will be a short term investment. But there is no way to consider it as a short term before investing. Long term investment is worthy to invest such type of project.

Not everyone enters gambling with business considerations, even those who enter and often do so just for entertainment or as a place to relieve stress, by choosing a few games and starting to make bets. The people who enter the casino for business considerations, of course, are those who enter with quite a lot of money and hope to get a jackpot or more returns.

In casinos you can't just say that betting in casinos is an investment, it's too risky.
A good investment for cryptocurrency is to trade or hold some of the top coins like Bitcoin.

The casino is a gambling platform that will give you a game of luck, if you are not lucky then you will lose.
Adjust the investment that you will do, not everything can be called an investment.
For long-term investment is better to use a platform that is intended for investment, not gambling.

Business and investment are clearly different, friends.
Business is a business that was built or started from 0 with hard work and full of struggle to be able to get the business to grow big so that it can generate a certain amount of profit that is certain for the business owner, while investment is giving money to make an investment asset in order to get a profit if These assets have high value and it is still uncertain whether they will succeed because in investing, the ones who play a big role in success are not us as investors, but they are the holders of the projects we invest in.
From the point of view of understanding alone, it is clearly different then what will be equated.


Yes, gamblers are like gold for casino owners because the more gamblers eat, the greater the profits that can be taken by casino business owners.
In the gambling industry, only casino owners can get rich, while gamblers will only be people who slowly lose a lot of money, so the assumption that gamblers can get rich from gambling is just a joke.
At this point, we should understand that not everyone in the gambling industry can take advantage easily.

there are other examples like Stake.com and Punt.com casinos that have a feature of converting crypto to fiat.
so we are free to choose to exchange crypto to any local fiat and usually I also often use this feature to get a very low minimum bet using my local currency.
but it seems you have tried the two casinos that I mentioned above.

this is just my opinion, if I'm wrong please let me know

Stake have no feature to convert your balance into fiat, but they have a feature just to "show" your balance into fiat. That's 2 different things. Converting to fiat means that your balance's value will remain the same in fiat all the time, while in stake your balance which is shown in fiat will still following the market of the crypto.

Now this is true, Stake only has the feature of showing or converting balances into fiat when in a casino wallet and in a game but when making a withdrawal or deposit transaction the currency value remains in crypto, not fiat.
I also often use this feature to get a lower minimum bet and the lowest fiat in each minimum bet is USD.
Maybe @len01 has the same meaning as us but the way he conveys it is not quite right.

These things are standard on a casino right on which you could really see the actual fiat value of your account balance.Its true that there are no casinos that have internal exchange which you could
really convert it to fiat but it would be good if ever it would be that to see its available.We do know that it isnt really that possible considering this would really be more kyc attached.
This is why im not really that minding that much for this feature as i do prefer on depositing and withdrawing crypto overall.

Right, sometimes it's a bit desired thing to be able to swap currencies in casino, but, I think mostly due to law restrictions, casino can't be an exchange hub at the same time (too many paperwork to be able to meet all the licensing standards). And, yes, KYC is too, most probably, a way to manage all risks for casino...

I have tested out back in the past about that internal exchange of your coins into other coins but not fiat which it does also require that KYC because that 3rd party had switch up and integrate that
KYC procedure which means that it isnt really that worth on doing so.If you are really that liking to withdraw a specific coin then it would be more better if you do pull it off and
tend to exchange it out on DEX outside or some CEX who doesnt really need up any KYC if you do really value up your anonymity.
Just like been said that this is never been that recommended after all.

Yes we don't want to do any hype before is 100% ready, we hope this month is going to be 100% ready and we are going to do an official announcement

Casino can create Dex or internal exchange for trading separately but casino needs to have high liquidity for trading volume and maybe other administrative requirements related to KYC will be required so I have never seen casino have internal exchange and so casino is only for betting use, Popular casino tokens are listed on several exchanges and you can deposit top coins to bet in any crypto casino, so the casino does not need an internal exchange.

That's true. It would be nice if all casinos could create an internal exchange for trading purposes, but as you said, that would require a high level of liquidity for trading volume, which could be a major obstacle. It's understandable why most casinos just stick to betting and leave the exchange services to specialized platforms. And it's probably why we haven't seen many casinos offer internal exchanges.

Although creating an internal casino for trading coins is limited but it takes a team of special expertise to manage the internal exchange and the need to meet the requirements of the exchange law, so based on these considerations the casino remains focused on gambling and does not need to build an internal exchange, I think for an exchange it is enough to Existing CEX and DEX and better casinos still prioritize gambling development.

^ Probably because they lack the staff and hiring more staff could be another expense for their company.
And it could be the reason for this is that operating an exchange involves a different set of regulatory and compliance requirements compared to operating a gambling platform. Also, exchanges typically require a higher level of security and scalability, as they involve large amounts of funds and require high trading volumes.

You are right, building an exchange requires expert staff to develop new exchanges and of course requires large funds for the operation of the exchange platform, even though developing only an internal exchange but the developed exchange platform must be complete and have a high level of security scalability because the exchange platform is very influential on the main casino, so a lot of things have to be considered to create an exchange platform so that the gambling platform does not add the option to release internal exchange.

Mostly it would be played out on 3rd party instant or swap exchangers which are really that embedded internally on a gambling site and not literally that they would be making out exchangers yet that would really be

that too technical and too much need of work if ever they would be adding up that feature.This is why, if there's a chance that they would be able to add up some third party to add more feature then they would

really be in doing so but just like the rest been saying that there might be that someone or platform offers but not really that much in numbers considering that it might really be involving
some KYC which we do know that most of us would really be not liking on tending to comply on whats been asked out.

Making an exchange is not as simple as it may seem to you. Allot of time, energy, and resources are required. There are several factors to consider while developing a trading platform, as you pointed above. An incorrect transaction can disrupt the gaming website, so be careful.

Building an exchange site requires a team of experienced programmers familiar with the structure of exchanges. They should be well-versed in blockchain technology, trading software, and data analysis. They must also be well-versed in a wide variety of programming languages and software development technologies.

In addition to expertise, devising an exchange platform also demands a hefty allocation of resources, encompassing hardware, software, and security mechanisms. These resources must be prudently organized and managed to confirm that the exchange platform is steadfast, extensible, and secure.

This will work well if a security team can secure and maintain the casino well.
And the team can also secure internal exchanges in their casino so that nothing can panic gamblers or the people who use these internal exchanges.
And maybe that's the reason not all casinos have an internal exchange within their casino because it might be too much hassle to take care of it.
So gamblers don't need to be confused or disappointed if they don't see an exchange in the casino.

Guys, I appreciate your input on the internal exchanges at crypto casinos. However, I believe we're getting off track from the main topic of this thread. Let's try to stay focused and keep our discussions relevant to the original post. If anyone has further thoughts on the topic of crypto exchanges at casinos, feel free to start a separate discussion or thread. We can continue our conversation there and delve deeper into the specifics. Thank you for understanding.

The question is whether they can fulfill all of that from preparing the resources and forming a team that can be responsible for all the development and running of an exchange platform.
It's not easy to build an exchange platform and not everyone can do it.
If you just say all the plans and plans are easy actions, but when carrying them out you feel hopeless because they are not as easy as you imagine.

@decodx, I think what you have played or you introduced the crypto casino here with your own belief that I think it's better for you, and so do I, maybe all the crypto casinos that are here you already understand and know, even though there are some casinos that you haven't tried, but our friends are here, in the casino, to recommend.

To my knowledge, no casinos that use withdrawal and deposit methods of any other form than crypto operate here, instead casinos that used to offer fiat withdrawal and deposit methods are now implementing crypto to eliminate the fiat basis, In my opinion, if you are comfortable with the casino that you are currently using on a crypto basis, why do you have to recommend another one, it is not certain that the recommended one you can trust fairly.

Lol, you are right that it gets out of hand so quickly when someone starts talking about a different topic inside a thread that primarily has a different topic altogether, that is how all these mega threads have come into being and if a topic isn't self-moderated, it becomes very difficult to control this, to be honest.

Anyway, getting back to the topic, have you tried all the casinos and gambling platforms that are available on this forum? I think almost all of them are basically cryptocurrency casinos since when they were launched, they all only accepted cryptocurrencies, they may have added fiat deposit and withdrawal features later on.

Yes, indeed I have seen some comments in other threads from some members who have or acquire extra money just for promoting with their referral link, which seems very attractive to me, but in my case it is very difficult to implement something like this, first Because the friends I have who are players are already registered in many casinos, if I tell them to join or register under my link it will be a waste of time, they will tell me that they are already registered, so attracting more people is something that I see as quite difficult However, I do not Rule it out, it would be a good way to find extra money that is always needed.