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Suppose if I buy something from a user in this forum ? And after the transaction and trading  am I supposed to ask him to give me a feedback in my profile ? And doing it, how do you see this ?

You do not need to ask anyone to give you positive trust, let the person think about it himself and willingly give you. Because we have a successful deal for just ones does not mean I should give you a positive trust, but I may decide to give you when we have more successful deals.

This can vary from individual to individual, some people may decide to give you positive trust after your first trade, while some people may still prefer to leave you a neutral trust and later change it to positive trust after more successful trades between you both.

You do not need to ask for it. Those with good spirit will give you the positive feedback after you have dealt in business with them. Asking for it can get you into trouble if you ask from members who think you are doing it to up your trust score and then use it to scam others. The best you can do is relax and let your business partners score you willingly.

I don't think you should ask for reviews or feedback on the experiences of your trading transactions with forum members. Some of them will do it after the transaction is completed, but in some cases you may need to ask for that feedback especially for transactions involving large amounts of money.

To be honest, you probably shouldn't be asking for feedback on $1-$10 transactions, but for relatively high amounts like $100 - $1000, I think you deserve it as long as you're not begging. But until now, I haven't had any experience with this, so whatever I say is just an assumption.

You can see your feedback (and everyone else) if you click on Trust in your profile.
If you make a trade with someone you can write a feedback on his profile if you want, but that is not mandatory.
Asking someone to give you feedback does not mean he they do that, and I would first work on being more active in forum.
Most people won't risk making any trades with random newbies who made few posts in forum.

No, you don't need to ask for it.

This should vary from one user to another.
If it were me, I would be happy to give you positive feedback for successful trading without any problems. I consider the risks of trading, and if all of that goes smoothly without any problems then I reserve the right to give you that feedback.

Explained perfectly, but if OP can ask the user politely to drop a trust feedback on the profile it shouldn't harm anything or it will be not against the forum role. I ask my client or anyone to whom I provided the service to drop their feedback about the deal or the service I provided them politely.
But, from this forums point of view a neutral trust first and then turning it into a positive trust makes sense.

Is this why you have 0 positive trust lol? In all seriousness IMO you should never ask for a positive feedback to be left. If someone wants to leave 1 they will, but then you have cases where users may have no clue how or why to leave trust, positive or negative. So, I think if you make a deal with a newer account you might ask them to leave a feedback and explain how it's done so that there's a record of the trade, but if making a deal with a seemingly seasoned member don't ask. If you want to leave them a feedback, go ahead.

As far as seeing it, the little +0/=0/-0 on the left hand side of each of your posts is where that is reflected. Be aware that only trust from DT members is seen by others unless they are looking at your profile and all feedbacks left.

You don’t need to ask for positive feedback, it’s quite normal for users to give positive feedback after a successful trade especially when it’s a non collateral loan. Some may give you a neutral trust for the duration of the transaction and an appropriate feedback. Everyone has their perspective and principle of the trust system, I don’t believe someone should been give a positive feedback just because of a single successful transaction. It’s not the best use of the trust system in my opinion.

You just giving a way for @OP to earn positive feedback by completing a trade that worth at least for $100, it really depends on case by case. Trading small amount money is worth to leave positive feedback too, especially when you think the account will scam since he doesn't have any reputation or get negative feedback.

You don't need to have few successful trade in order to trust someone, a big money in single trade is worth for positive feedback.

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However there are a lot inappropriate positive feedback used in this forum, I still think it's way more better to leave positive feedback for small amount trade rather than the user is scam buster, high rank, good guy, respected user etc.

Seems you are trying to build with positive trust in your account due have one transaction success, I don't think necessary need review positive feedback or green trust on the first your transaction because your account level still newbie. Lets running with several transaction success and directly your costumer will give their green trust without ask to review.

However its seem little difficult if you want to buy seller or buyer trough your account still newbie, actually you need escrowed each transaction make and after several time success you will get positive trust in your Bitcointalk account.

Why you want to get green trust rating? Its not really important you can still use this forum without having that.

But incase you want to build a good reputation consider this.

Have good transaction records
Have good contribution by providing helpful post especially to new users of this forum and to other old ones
Became a spam buster and reports scams happening on this forum.
Communicate very well and establish good relationship to other forum members

This are common things to consider but don't ask any user to give you + trust rating since they might not give what you ask, just let those things to happen and if dt members you deal didn't give then its fine move on just continue to became more better user of this forum.

Trust and reputation can be gained with time, a long time indeed. You can not gain it after one hour, one day or in short term.

After gaining it, you can continue your good works to maintain it or can destroy it easily by doing scam and something bad.

If you trust someone, you don't actually must leave a trust feedback. In the forum we have trust feedback but in life, we don't have it and we don't have to publicly say we trust someone else when we meet everyone.

LoyceV's Beginners guide to correct use of the Trust system (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5191802.0)

Do people even perform trades again in order to have positive trust? That was when the forum was created newly and possibility there were little/no exchanges, so members of this forum were trading between themselves.

If you want to be in DT, just start accusing people of alt accounts, start connecting people's addresses, start bursting cheating bounty hunters and you would be surprised how fast you will be on DT.

You do not need to ask the user to give you a feedback, infact, doing that is even a suspicious move already, since it can be understood or interpreted that your reason for buying whatever you bought from whomever you bought it from is to get green trust..

When you transact with any user on this forum, after the transaction has gone through successfully, it is in the users discretion to give you a feed back, likewise, it is also in your discretion to give the user a feedback.

And besides, feedback are of three types, there is the -
Positive
Neutral
Negative
Next time when making a post like this, be specific on the type of feedback you are referring to ..

@OP isn't asking to become a DT member, when a DT1 member leave positive feedback in your account, it doesn't mean you will become DT2, except the user include your account in his trust list.

You're not wrong, but it sounds like you're have a sole purpose to become DT member by busting scam. You have a power to paint someone and your feedback is visible to everyone, but when you abused your feedback, you will get kicked from DT network ASAP.

Gain trust, how is possible you can think neutral and negative feedback is consider as gain in this forum.

In his case, before digging into the posts of other accounts, you would first need to figure out how not to reveal your previous account, because of which he received a ban.


OP, on this forum, other than negative trust, you won't get anything.


By the way, where does it say that the OP wants positive trust?

Nothing wrong with asking the seller with a rating but I don't think it's mandatory.

Simply ask him that you will appreciate if seller can give you feedback and if the seller does give you feedback be nice enough to give feedback and rating too.

In business, feedback and rating is important but it should be freely given ;)

Not required, don't expect feedback or don't push. If you do, don't be surprised you encounter reactions from different perspectives of users. Sometimes it ends up displeasing you.
Giving feedback requires careful consideration because it will be a reference for other people who do business with you in the future.

That's not the way it works here. It should be-
1. Start hunting alt = Green feedback.
2. Start scam busting = Green feedback.
3. Start participating on collectibles = Green feedback.
4. Start borrowing and repaying on time = Green feedback.

Personally I don't have problem with any of the above methods to gain positive feedback. But mentioned because these are some great way to get green feedback here and OP is looking for exactly this I think  :D

I definitely don't think someone ought to ask for feedback after doing a trade, even if they left one for you first.  That's happened to me before, and at the very least it's annoying and at worst it raises red flags (as it should if you're on DT). 

If someone asks for positive feedback after doing a very small trade or if they had nothing at risk, you probably should be suspicious that they're trying to farm trust.  It's happened many times over the years, and I'm sure people are still trying to do it.

You've thought of something very far away. I don't think there's anything wrong with that, but it's better if you think about how to play a role in the forum to improve yourself and play a role that can benefit others. When I say self-improvement, am I good at it, my answer is not. And when I say about playing a role that benefits others, have I done that, the answer is that I'm still trying so that others can benefit.

Not one eye, but hundreds or even thousands of eyes see us here. So regarding trust, we don't need to ask for it because the judgement regarding trust or feedback depends on other people who have the right to give it. Try not to take offence my friend.

OP, what are you showing even like begging. let that trust come to you by itself. through what you do for the forum.
but seeing you've been banned in the past. and you try again and finally you get banned again.
I suggest leaving the forum quietly. focus on your real-world activities. make money for your life and maybe your family.

There is no need to ask for anything after making transactions with other users on the forum. I think you should read more about the trust system that has been running on the forums. Please go to Guide by LoyceV which discusses how to use the Trust System properly.
LoyceV's Beginners guide to correct use of the Trust system (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5191802.0)

You don't have to ask for someone yo trust you on this forum here, you earn it by what you do, if you demand someone for it then that means there's a secret agenda you have that may not portray receiving one but you choose to maneuver your way through and present it to the person involved, it does not end by trusting someone alone, you need to provide a tangible reason for doing that with a reference that point to it, being a newbie you don't have to be after that because if may lead you to getting distracted, work on yourself and build a good reputation here, have a good relationship with members and contribute well, it may come and it may not, but know that trust is not all that defines your uniqueness on this forum, but what you do consistently that makes others benefits from you.

That's too much work, just buy a Collectible and use (pay!) escrow, then leave both of them positive feedback. Changes are you'll get 2 positive feedbacks in return, and you'll reach DT2.

Note: I don't consider this correct use of the Trust system, but this has happened many times.

If you trade with someone and the person who traded with you thinks you deserve feedback, then he will give you feedback. You don't have to ask for it. If you do good work and present yourself as competent, others will judge whether you deserve feedback or not. Asking for and giving feedback on small trades like this is often seen as questionable. Because your account is visible to thousands of users, anything suspicious here will be easily exposed. Only feedback given by DT member will show on your profile, other feedback will not show on your profile. And when DT members give you any feedback they will give it with proper reason.

In my opinion there is nothing wrong with building trust among the user in this forum as long as we don't beg, feedback is only as proof that there is a smooth transaction. But of course it's true, for things that aren't high risk then I can also say it's a cheap endeavour.

After all successful trading is not only done with DT members, and this feedback shouldn't only come from them either. Any user can give his feedback on successful trades or whatever, as long as it's relevant then it's fine I guess. What's unfortunate is the abuse, so many forum members are against it.

Trust system should work as it should, even I have successfully paid off $500 loan to DarkStar_ never asked him to send me positive feedback. That is up to him, and I have also never asked anyone to include me in their trust list even if I have contributions to the local board. I know that's not how it works, so there's no need to ask for things that aren't high-risk.

If you're trying to do such thing then its called trust farming and that is not how the trust system is supposed to work, if the other party feel that you are trusted for future tradea then they will do it on their own.

Many people got such kind of trust ratings in the past now DT members are aware they should not do it until you have clean sheet of trading history with no issues for a while.

I'm not sure I can give a recommendation on how to earn trust in the forum. This is a very lengthy and difficult process that can take many years. In contrast, this trust is quickly lost. Even well-known and honored users of the forum can instantly lose confidence and even past merits will not be able to influence in any way.

The profile's feedback you're talking about doesn't really mean much. An unknown user left a review for another unknown user. What kind of trust are we talking about here? If an honored member of the forum leaves a feedback for you, then the situation will look different. But even in this case, there will be no guarantees that you have earned trust. Trust in a forum is something abstract that can't be felt or measured without talking about a feedback in a profile. It exists and is expressed in relation to you by many people.

If the amount involved is significant, leaving a positive feedback to the counter party is the best thing to do. It’s not wrong to ask him to leave you a positive feedback for a successful trade but you should not insist it as if it’s a must because trust feedbackis gain through common trust.

Doing a consecutive successful feedback from a legit trade will increase your reputation especially if the amount involved is huge. But you should not trade for the trust score because you will surely failed to build your reputation. If you are planning to established here then you should invest time and effort to fulfill many transactions successfully.

Everything is based on first impressions. If a user trusts you, it will be because of the first impression he or she has of you after both of you have done some kind of business or helped out in some way. To some extent, asking for trust feedback in a forum makes no sense; let the person decide if they want to or not.

A trust feedback is a very important feature in the forum that, if not used properly, can jeopardize many things in the forum, particularly trusting someone you want to transact with on the forum. We live in a technological age, and most forum users are anonymous to one another. If not for this case, anyone can request a feedback review after a successful trade, and anyone can provide it regardless of whether or not you are a DT member.

Guys, OP Was banned on 31st January. I am Not sure why. But, My Extention shows the user was banned, and as I can see, No posts were deleted by Moderators. At least BPIP didn't detect any deleted posts from this user. https://bpip.org/Profile?id=3492871 (https://bpip.org/Profile?id=3492871) The status of this profile is archived, and it's the auto-ban user. I don't know what auto ban means. Why would someone get banned if no one reported any posts and no posts were deleted? It's a mystery to me.

I think you have read @lovesmayfamilis post on the previous page.

try reading again for some forum rules, maybe you missed some.

Trust is trust You can never ask someone to trust you and a person will never trust you by asking. And it's not that once you exchange something with someone, they'll start trusting you and leave a positive feedback on your account. When a DT member gives a positive feedback on your account many will start trusting you based on that feedback and many will go for exchange or selling something  with you without a second thought. So no one will ever give you a positive feedback very easily until you become a real loyal guy to him.  And watch your actions until you can be considered a trusted person by that person

This reminds me of those service providers which always asks you to leave them a feedback or rate the quality of their services each time you complete a deal with them.
When I see such pop-up window, I immediately close it even if their service deserves a high rating.
I find such behavior annoying, so better avoid it especially if it's your first deal with your countreparty.

Sorry, I didn't notice this post. I won't write my post if I notice someone has already posted it. I used to read most of the posts before making comments. Not sure how I jumped this one and missed this post. Yeah, I know about ban evading rules. But I don't see how it works. For example, If someone finds you evading the rules, They may report and you may get banned. But, What if no one report and how do you still get banned? I am not sure if someone reported this user or not.

They only needed to wait even if someone caught him after so many years or even when his rank had become Hero or Legendary.

Please check the status on bpip, the OP has been archived with autoban user details. Someone has reported it and the mod have been hammering it on the mark since January 31st.

Bpip status for ~|cryptogirl.bd|~: https://bpip.org/Profile?id=3492871

https://i.imgur.com/L0qWArn.jpg


Maybe it's time to report this thread for locking, or maybe mod can do without report. Let's wait.

what is your purpose in asking the person to provide feedback on your profile, do you plan to attract more attention? as long as you are consistent in making honest transactions with other members here then a good reputation on your profile will automatically be given, just look in the collectibles section, there are many members with green trust feedbacks on their accounts because they do honest things here.

I think you should familiarize yourself with the concept of trust and what it means to be trustworthy before you make a post like this. Making a post like this is not a good start in showing that you are a trustworthy person, as it shows that you do not fully understand the concept of trust, which in my opinion is a sign that you should not be trusted.

I think I've quoted with a very clear reference. the account was reported by lovesmayfamilis in the thread [Report] Ban Evasion [Requesting Admin/mod to check those and ban] (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5094661.msg61685786#msg61685786). you can see not only the similarity of the username. but both also use the same telegram account. and the result is that the hassle made is approved by the Admin / Mod.

I got it now. My question was, Do you still get banned if no one reports you or finds a connection with banned accounts? I am not saying you or I are doing such things. But I am curious about it. I believe forum Moderators or Admins don't have enough time to check users' accounts and find connections. But they took action when we find links and report to them to check this out. I didn't know lovesmayfamilis reported this user and submitted proof. Anyways, Thanks.

Yes. You can be banned from forum even if no one reports you to the moderators. The moderators' responsibility is to maintain the forum's integrity, regardless of whether there are user reports. However, the moderation policies of each specific board may vary. Some moderators use automated scripts to detect rule-breakers, while others manually review the posts.

For example, in recent days, a scammer has repeatedly attempted to post a topic for a fake "Bitcointalk wallet", which is simply malware in disguise. These accounts are promptly banned within minutes. Maybe I am wrong, but I believe moderators have the capability to automatically detect such posts, or at the very least, they manually monitor new posts and react appropriately.