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Today I was reading some most successful businessman and other such successful people that are millionaires and also billionaires like Bill gate, Mark Zuckerberg and Other Gamblers that became millionaires because of betting.
My point is that Normal people see only their Success but they do not know that How much dark secrets are behind this.
I want to tell you a story of Successful Businessman in country who is Real Estate businessman and Rich people love to Invest in their housing Schemes. But He Gets access to most valuable land whom he gets it by hook or crook. My mean he Is partially a landlord and he has Done high damage to the poor people and they have lost their homes.
And Normal people do not know these kind of Secrets behind all of this and also on Gambling thing where a very minority of people gets succeeded.
I know that a lot of OP will not agree with me and let's see what are your opinions.

This is business and their intention of doing is to make money some people have their own ethics which may not harm others for their benefits while others don't have such and only concentrate on their profits, so this isn't limited to gambling every business sector has dark secrets too so as sn individual its important to understand every nook and corner before landing there as a business.

What they are saying about someone has to lose something for the winning to win big. The real estate business must be a dirty business for some powerful men. For him to have access to acres of land, he has to make people sell.

I saw the documentary about Bill Gates and Jeff Bezos buying up the farmlands, they are a few of the rich who could really implement a smart city on thier own land.

There are some businessmen who are straight up unethical on their business strategies. Some of them succeed with this and some of them don't. It will also depend on how lucky you actually are in the business. Those who use under the table techniques will always be haunted by bad luck and it will bite them right where it hurts, causing their businesses to crumble. Pretty sure not only successful business does this; also, small businesses trying to survive in a dog-eat-dog world. In gambling, well technically the roots of successful gambling houses even back in the day is tainted with blood, so it's no surprise if they are still doing the same things up until today.

I’m not sure if I would categorize gambling as having dark secrets. Most casinos are pretty open about the fact that they make lots of money, and some of them even clearly display odds so that players aren’t misled about the possibilities. I guess their secrets would be things like no clocks and exits that take you through a maze to get out of the casino, but even those are fairly well known.

Well what we know is that there are successful business who just buy their competition or at least offer them money, and in business parlance this is acquisition or merger.

Not sure if this is a dark secret from successful business or entities.

I guess everyone who has ambitions might resort to some "dark secrets", but maybe it will remain secrets though, unless someone close to them reveal it to the public.

Well, every business do have a secret that make them really successful, but I don't the secret all have to be dark, there are still very legitimate businesses out there that have succeeded far above expectations, and their secret not dark at all, since i believe that by "Dark", you mean something evil like.

In gambling as well, you don't have to get into voodoo to become a successful gambler, we all have our different luck, and they come at different times, all that is required is patient and consistency in gambling, and one day, it might be your lucky day and you end up winning a life changing amount of money.
I know some people who made quite large sums of money without getting involved in any shady or dark stuff. 

I think we have heard this kind of story before, that for every success, there could be some kind of secret behind it.

But now sure how we can relate it to gambling, although in Hollywood, and if you have seen the Ocean's series, there is this part where Al Pacino character trying to double cross one of the members of Daniel Ocean's gang, Rueben to sign a document about his ownership stakes.

And who knows, this could life imitating art or the other way around.

In my observation, I see all immense businesses are the only place where secrets are been inconspicuous, and why is it so? Because that's the only thing that makes their businesses explore more and since the business is owned by a successful man which has leverage even from the government authorities, the poor who do suffer from their conditions will be tight-lipped because no one to speak on their behalf.

This is business as usual.If someone is smart enough to create a successful business then it is his right to enjoy the benefits.I am not understanding well your point but let me make you a point,Robert Kyosaki the author of "Rich dad,poor dad" book tells us a very great "secret" in his book,we should borrow money in time of crisis,buy real estate during such time and once the crisis has ended as it will not last forever,sell for a profit,I know it sounds easy like I put it down but it is much more difficult than that.Anyway there is a golden lesson here which is money is made from money you borrow and the best time to borrow is at a crisis.

In gambling though there are no dark secrets,the house always wins,you try to be a lucky person from the thousand persons that play in the casino and you hope that you hit a great win,that's it.

I don't know about casino businesses having or using dark secrets but I know that every business has trade secrets. These secrets are hidden from the populace and can only be unveiled to cartels or cult members. While some of these trade secrets are accessible by all and can be discovered in books, the internet, or through mentorship.

Currently, most business owners are ruthless and don't care about the impact of their unethical business conducts. They can bribe the government and other organizations to get what they want even to the detriment of the common man. Most businesses don't abide by the law of the land because no agency will sanction them because of their political connections.

But this doesn't mean that there is no good business owner that abides by the laws of the land. A well-managed business will always satisfy the needs of its customers and also maximize profit. So many gambling firms are doing well because they have good managers.

For them to gain more wealth through owning hectares of land, it’s very possible that they will take advantage on the land properties of the poor people and eventually put them into a worst situation so they will be force to sell their lands. I’ve heard the same story here in my country wherein a powerful politician is owning forcefully the lands of the poor people here. That’s why I really believe that every successful business has its own dark secrets, though not all successful businessmen are responsible for this.

i guess, you can hear that everywhere in the world. taking advantage of the poor people for the rich people to achieve what they want. that's no secret actually, people know such fact. however, they won't dare talk as it is their life at stake. for those who will go against influential and wealthy people, they will see the grave early.
i can agree that at some point these rich and successful people made a not-so-desirable decision. just to achieve what they want. some people will say they are heartless or to that effect, but most of them have their targets. so they won't care about the obstacles, as long as they can achieve their mission. they are dedicated to such mission, hence, chasing success for their respective companies.

in most cases, these very rich people managed to become very rich because they committed many crimes which they don't reveal to anyone, it doesn't matter if it's a small or big crime, it's still a crime, for example in my country most people rich, they only became rich because they stole money from the government and put it into some money laundering business, so they keep stealing money from the government and lie that it comes from the business, when in fact the business does not network anything

others get involved in drug trafficking, prostitution and continue to steal government money and lie that it is the business they are doing that gives them profit to have luxury homes and cars, many owners of physical casinos in the past did drug trafficking, prostitution and they put the money in the casino to say that it came from the casino's profit, it was all a lie. I believe this still happens today.

There could be the same stories everywhere but I don't think gambling should be considered a dark secret in the first place. There were successful businessmen who have tried their luck at gambling but later on saw the worth of doing hard work rather than relying on luck all their life. Of course, there were also stories of failure along the way but that should be a part of their success stories. Rich people don't have to hide their old habits or things that they have been through in the past.

Maybe the OP is referring to fraudulent business practices in the background, hence it's called dark secrets. This business owners deals with a lot of money, billions so most likely there could be some, like bribing and stuff like that. And by his example, it's the typical capitalist businessman, as he is prying and taking everything from the poor people.

This could be analogous though to casino operators as they have the house edge, so they are going to win at the end of night, by hook or by crook. But I don't think it's secret though, it's up in the open and we all know that casino is a booming business because of us gamblers. There could be secrets but it's all on the movies only I guess as there are no proof of casino owners going to the extremes.

Every successful business have got secrets behind it. Wr can understand whether the growth in the business have come through hard work or secrets that pave path for easy success. Not everyone is able to do it, because the risks were high. If caught with the act the business might end at the same day. Every business needs specific time for its establishment, but it is possible to see businesses that gets established within a short which itself enough to prove something illegal or against the law is taking place.

Caeino Operators can't be blamed, because when the technology isn't that effective people were easily fooled. Now this isn't possible anymore. Users check each and every bet. Nowadays dark secret based development is much seen around than the gradual growth. To the fast moving world people are in need of fast money and this serves as reason for such changes in different businesses.

I'm not sure about my example as Andrew Tate. It's a very similar case to the one you mentioned. This businessman and influencer made great money from being a scam in my opinion. He was able to fool many people by talking about nonsense things such as "the matrix" or some people controlling the world. People got obsessed and started doing the same as him and supporting him. He even created a course and started selling it for $49 with a monthly membership. The problem is that thousands of people bought the course, which didn't have any content or meaning. In the end of his story and just lately the police found out about his side hustle of human trafficking.
The whole point of this is that every business you start is a risk and a bet. You may win or lose. Some people work hard for success, while others do whatever it takes, even if it involves illegal activities. However, betting was never a way to get successful or rich.

Should we really go deep into learning and knowing these? For what?

Regardless if they have those so-called "dark secrets", they reached the stage of where they are today also because of their perseverance and hard work.

Let's not make this too technical and just mind our own business.

That's why it is called a secret in the first place, therefore we won't know it even if we try our best to dig thru serious research. But my question to you is, what if those secrets are not really secret and those dark you are referring to are not really dark?

Can we just look at them as one of the best businessmen that anyone can follow? As long as they are keeping their feet below and not showing a bit of arrogance and being boastful in most cases, then nothing to worry about even they have secrets.

It's possible that some successful business has their own dark secret but assuming every successful business is a bit of a stretch. I still agree with your point about these secrets but there's no way to guarantee that all successful businesses have them.

The story you mentioned reminded me of how certain casinos try to bait their customers with their bonuses which can be misleading at times due to the rollover they require. This way it's not about the dark secret anymore but more about the people having less information on the risks they're taking.

Not all because there are some successful business that are clean but a lot of rumours only circulating about it just of make it down coming from their opponent business. A lot of people will drag you down when you are into business because people doesn't want success that is why they spread bad things. On the other hand those successful business would have possibility that they keep out thay secret to the authorities because majority of their earnings are coming from dark

This statement depends a lot on what would be something obscure or not.
If you mean having unfair competition in the market, evading some taxes, failing to comply with certain labor rights and things like that, well... I believe that there is no company in the world that succeeds without having committed more than one of these "obscure" actions.

However, these minor issues aside, I believe there are many successful companies that have managed to achieve results by working legally.
To achieve success, it is not necessary to become a Microsoft, a chain of supermarkets or gas stations in several cities is already proof of a successful business.

When it comes to multinational companies, yes, I believe they all have something dark to hide. Perhaps, not because they want to, but because the corruption of some countries forces them to commit these irregularities in order to prosper.
Unfortunately, casinos are not left out of this.

Hopefully I'm wrong and it's possible to be big and honest at the same time.

It is not a dark secret, gambling is just one of their hobbies or sources of income. Remember that those billionaires and some millionaires have multiple sources of income so they are not focusing on betting. But there are special person who only has 1 source of income and it is from the gambling. They making a living by betting and it is a true story where some people became millionaire because of it but only handful of people because 95% are losing their money because of fear, greed and other negative emotion.

There are a lot of rewards in gambling where I can considered it as a great way to have a fortune but I understand the risk and I understand the nature of the uncertainty where it is a probability game and there is no assurance that I will win in every bet that I will bet. I only treat gambling as my side income and not my main source of income because I know if I do that, I may lose huge amount of fortune.

Can you make an example of who one person became a millionaire because of betting? because as know, it's rare to be a millionaire if you are still a player. Yes, many people came a millionaire not as a player, but as an owner or managers. some of them even not only managed on 1 site but several sites including gambling or more which is not the same type as service, property and etc. So, it's not much because success person will be going too hard work until his dream comes true.

There are dark secrets to success, there's no doubt about that. Some did it the hard way but cleaner but some used their power to make it possible.
In gambling, being a dirty business, there are more tricks than we cannot see. It's possible only a tiny percentage of people that knows it because they have access to this kind of scheme or let's say connection to the management of a gambling site or a physical casino.

About that real estate successful businessman, if we are in the same country then I might know who you are talking about.
He owns a lot of land all over the country that was bought for a cheap price and now he is building places such as condominiums or housing and then selling it for an expensive price. The "V"s.

I can't say it is actually a dark secret, it's more like businessmen taking advantage of people's ignorance for their own good and because of greed. And most people don't usually point it out because it's just there and it will be hard to take it out of the system. Successful businesses actually root from dedicated entrepreneurs who are willing to do everything. Business is not for purely kindhearted person, I think.


All businesses have flaws and dirty secrets. They are not perfect. It is just about how they they hire the right persons and make things legal.

All businesses have a secret strategy and a successful business depends on that secret. And if everyone knew the same secret and went into business with the same secret, everyone would be a successful businessmen. Different businesses require different strategies.  And in order to survive in the market with business, it is necessary to adopt more different and better quality strategy than other competitors. To do business always plan, product selection, future plan, product quality, in such a way that it can attract customers.  And be better than other competitors.  Then a company's brand value will increase and it can be successful

Whether it is on business or in gambling in general, there are still dark secrets into it.
These are secrets that any normal people don't know, but on the other hand, they're the ones that are suffering because of what the rich can do to them.

As for dark secrets in gambling, there are some, but I believe the main reason why only a minor number of gamblers are winning is because of how they see gambling, and how they approach gambling. Most of the gamblers sees gambling as their way to financial freedom, and that isn't the correct way of seeing it. Many gamblers sees it as a way for them to make profit though there's nothing wrong with it, but that kind of thinking makes the majority of the gamblers lose more money.

For sure there are secrets in every business including gambling itself, but businessmen and casino owners worked hard for it, and they deserved what they achieved.

In a business, there must be a dark secret that not many people know about and unfortunately, those successful business people don't say this and pretend that they are all clean and not involved in these dark things. It's possible that they still carry out this secret in running their business because we don't know the details about the business and only hear that they are successful people from one or several businesses.

That is no exception in the gambling business. With so much money circulating in the gambling business, it must have many secrets that we don't know. And we as ordinary people, also don't need to think about it seriously because it's difficult to get to the truth unless the casino owners want to reveal it to the public. But even if he disclosed it to the public, the other casino owners would deny it.

This need not be the case in all cases but I assume it is the case in many. Gucci, for example, spent many years evading taxes, which allowed the company to grow faster and accumulate more wealth for its owners. But the fact that things were done badly at the beginning does not mean that they are still being done today.

Gambling, for example, has always been linked to crime, mafias and money laundering, whereas today it is a regulated business, and in some cases a state-run business, as is the case with lotteries in Spain.

But he has a right with the valuable land since he's a partially a landlord, it's not like he has no any portion of the land and he's create a fake document for claiming if the land is owned by him. What I heard is when the poor want to sell his house or land, the rich will force him to sell at the cheap price, since the poor has no option, he sell it for cheap. The rich will get a good house with cheap price and he can sell it at higher price.

The dark secret of the successful casino is when a lot gamblers lose their money :D

Rich always win because they have capability to buy what they think can generate them more profit from their acquired resources. And as long as those farmland paid according to its current value within the good will of farmers I guess nothing wrong with it. But we can't deny that other are forced to do it maybe due to financial crisis happened to them and those rich people take advantage with it to get what they want then this is how they do their dirty work since they can take advantage on several situations of poor people.

Real life and the business world are so exciting so at that we must apply same rule to both, if you must succeed in anything, there is a price to be paid for every success is recorded, and not everything is explained in the public posts, there are some unexplainable experiences that are part of the success story.

Nothing good comes easily as there re prices paid for every success achieved and gambling isn't exempted and most times, you must have heard of People talking so ill about gambling and gamblers, that's not because all gamblers or gambling ate evil but because people know how much risk gamblers are willing to take just to attain success and stay relevant.
For everything that we, has its consequences and there is also this saying that success comes from hard work and commitment and we really don't know how much effort or sacrifice they might have offered.

Mostly people care that you are successful, but do not care how you became successful.

I agree that successful businesses have secrets, but not all the secrets are dark secrets like you are suggesting. There are trade secrets and strategies that businesses have discovered over the years from their experience in the trade, these trade secrets and strategies give them an edge over all other business in that line that maybe just started or have been operational since.

I don't want to know the dark secret of every successful entrepreneur and let it be their dark secret. I just want to know how they can achieve that success and there are even some successful entrepreneurs out there, some who can reach it at a young age so they can already get passive income from their business. That's why we have to explore them to learn more from them.

I'm sure they will not tell their dark secret in running their business because it is their secret. We can only learn from the experiences and knowledge they share with the public so that the public can learn and apply their methods based on the current situation.

Yeah absolutely, I agree with you. Every company, every entrepreneur, just like every human has secrets, and has things specific to its functioning that it does not share with others.
However, not all secrets are darks secrets, and fortunately!

Why would we think that ? There are just some people who have invested well, others who are creative, exceptionally intelligent, or just plain lucky. Some just inherited a fortune and started a successful business. While many successful businesses must have things to hide, dark secrets, I don't think you can generalize that to a universal law.

What is true is that people and companies that don't worry a lot about laws and morals tend to grow faster and perhaps miss fewer opportunities than others. But this does not negate the success of all the others who have remained honest

I agree, in order for you to succeed to something we need to let go some thing because we cannot do all the things at once. In all aspects, every businessman has their own way to make their business successful whether in a good way or not. Real estate is kinda dirty in some way yes, some people will get other clients such like that. Some rich people here in US bought farm lands so that they can convert it into subdivision or private property.

You may call it dark secrets but what I actually see is some of them taking advantage of the ignorance of the people that's why they were successful. I guess everyone of them has it–because if they aren't too hard for the others then someone will and they weren't on that position if they were too soft. I guess this is what they call as sacrifices in order to gain something at the top.

I agree with the reply above that some may have ethics in doing business while the others don't. And gambling isn't really ethical if you think about it because they have the right to ban someone if they saw it's getting a lot of money from them but they aren't doing dirty tricks so that people would actually lost their money to them. Just put it as an entertainment or a payment for their enjoyable stay in a casino.

I agree every form of success requires some level of deep secrete and the level of the secret determined the impact and growth profits of the business, let's just get used to that no business can succeed without some form of secret success tips.

Not all businessmen are dirty, and you don't have to get your hands dirty in your business to be successful, this is a wrong way of thinking, I do not agree because I have my conscience, I can't ruin people's lives because I want to be successful and not ruining peoples life won't stop me from been successful either, those who have dark secrets believe that this is the only way to turn the table around, they took a short cut instead, it depends on your belief, what you believe in is what will work for you.

frankly speaking I really don't get what op is trying to derived. What op is saying does not have affliction with sport and gambling. Op is talking about business which is a general phenomenon, and this not the first time I have been hearing such allegations against rich people in the world. This has been argued in many occasions. Casino is very far from what op is saying. Let come the business, I will disagree with op that casino cannot be categorized with the businessmen that are rich which have secrecy in their businesses. Though casinos might involved in one thing to the other. I will only agree on the aspect that businessmen are secretly involved in one thing to the other, yes because they are in cartel and they are the cause of inflation which the ordinary people suffer in the society.

Not all businessmen have to go thru their dirty laundry. Some are just happy with what they have.
So yes, not all of them are hiding something to uplift their standards in the chosen market.
There will always be rumors on what these rich businessmen have to go thru, but it doesn't define this type of people in general.
Also, if you belong to their category, the important thing is your conscience is clear so you can live your life without looking on your shoulder.

There was a billionaire man in my country who people thought had some dark secrets behind his wealth because he always lost someone in his family every year, but that was just some coincidences, the man was plain and transparent, and there was nothing dark that was linked to his wealth from all his doings. Apart from that, there is no bad incident I have heard; most times, it is just what people choose to believe because of what they see.

People can do good things and bad things but I highly disagree that every successful business progress because they do underhand tactics and abuse people to the point of committing crimes.  Not all businessman or company owner are crooked, others often offers charity works to the community as way of paying back to the people who help them grow.

Besides, if your argument about people getting successful because they do gambling, I think you are wrong to think that gambling is a criminal act.  In many country, gambling is legal, even establishing gambling platform and establishment is encouraged because it helps in the nation's growth and development.

All these so called dark secret are just rumors unless proven by proofs.

This could be more possible in gambling business, but other market might be different.
Maybe they are just window dressing their financial status so they can attract more investors and I guess most of the company are doing this and they are not declaring their actual transactions just to avoid paying huge taxes. I also believe that most of the business have their own dark secret, most of them are greedy as well. Anyway, as long as you are not affected by this you should care less, and in gambling as long as the site is paying and its fairness is still ok, you can still proceed.

Does this have something to do with the mystical? Actually I don't want to discuss things like this, but it seems interesting if we talk about things that are beyond logic.
I heard that in some remote places there are indeed many stories that are exactly like what you told, starting from sacrificing family members to achieve wealth. I actually believe or not believe in this kind of thing, but indeed many people talk about it and from a visible point of view, the story is indeed in line with what is seen from that person.
I want to ask the people here, is it true, or is it just a myth that has been exaggerated?  ;D

You mean like in gambling it's a dark secret that there are losers and winners? I have idea about the other dark secrets that do happen in physical casinos where you'll just get to see it there once you're already there. And it's funny that these days, these videos on socials have been popping on my feed and showing those dark secrets which are no longer secret anymore as it becomes a norm. Well, that's it, it could be dark secrets for the new ones that have just found it out but it's not actually hidden thing these days.

You can call it mystical because that is what some people believe it to be, but to me, it's just a bit of false logic. I find it difficult to believe such stories. Dark secrets bullshit. All I know is that most successful men have some hidden tips and stories about their success. Let's just take for instance the movie I watched, where two staffers who were working in the same office, but one was buying shares in an oil company without telling his college about his investment, got to a point where he became the number one shareholder of that company, and when his money was ripe, he bought the company where he was working and became the boss to his college. These are just things that successful people do; they would not tell you everything, and they always have something they are not saying that makes their success grow, but not dark secrets.

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In my point of view it is not correct to talk about in a wide way or refer to this mater to dark secrets of the "business", but refer to it as dark secrets of "companies".

Legal and everyday businesses are neutral, but there are companies and entities which are willing to go into devious practices to increase their profitability, and that does not only happen in housing or gambling, but also in food industry, science & technology, etc.

While there are meat companies that treat their animals as humanely as possible, others are brutal to them for the sake of production.

While there are banks who seek for a steady and safe growth for their capital and their clients', there are others which are willing to gamble and risk it.

And in those circumstances, it is fertile ground for things like bribery, death threats,etc.

There are dark secrets everywhere, not just in every successful business. There are also dark secrets in every failed business. There are also dark secrets in businesses that never saw the day. I mean dark secrets are everywhere.

Can you name billionaires the level of Bill Gates and Mark Zuckerberg who became successful because of betting? Is there even one? If some became billionaires because of betting, it's probably because they're involved in the casino business, not just because they're betting or gambling.

I agree, I do not understand how this could be news to anyone, it is well known that Bill Gates used all kind of monopolistic tactics to make Microsoft what it is today, and the same is probably true for Google, Facebook or any tech company of today.

The most interesting question is where was the government when all of this happened? Governments are supposed to stop monopolistic practices and not only they failed to do this they even benefit from this, as those companies give their information to the governments and they monitor their population in this way.

They didn't became what they are because of betting. I found quora post about Gates (https://www.quora.com/How-often-did-Bill-Gates-play-poker-when-he-was-a-student-Does-he-still-play-poker?top_ans=16938975) playing poker which appears he used to play for fun, as long as you gamble for fun it's fine.

Zuckerberg and gambling, source?

I think what is meant by this dark secret is about how a business owner can get such a fortune that he can run his casino or what is behind the casino entrepreneur so that he can grow his business so big because we know that competition in the gambling business in cities regulations that allow gambling is very strict. Hence, it is not easy for business owners to develop their gambling business.

But I believe that every business owner must have dark secrets that he keeps for himself or those who are close to him. And we also don't have to try to find out and it's best to let it be their dark secret. We better play gambling and just enjoy it.

someone who owns a business and becomes bigger and successful it's all because there is a very big will and intention. because all the keys to success are in ourselves to dare to try and always dare to take risks whatever happens when setting up a business.

like a gambler who now owns his own gambling business when at first he was just a compulsive gambler thinking of finding other advantages from gambling. finally he thought about making his own gambling business after that he made it happen himself with big intentions and dared to take risks.

for me a businessman who is afraid to take risks, I think his business will not progress because he does not want to try something that makes his business bigger.

Many successful people have dark secrets behind them, but it doesn't mean that to be successful in life you need to have a dark secret yourself, this is not right.

It's not like all world successful people have dark secrets, some of them are blessed naturally, some came from rich families while some rise to stardom, without using any form of darkness.

If anyone believes that, to be successful they have to go dark, the blame is on them, they are too blind to see and they decide to go bad because they believe that's how world successful men are been made.

On the side of gambling life, there is always a secret, this is certain, I have heard some dark stories about Las Vega's big bosses, and come to think of it, gambling isn't always pure, most times it's cruel and stinky at the same time, not the online ones but the local dens.

We all know that some rich people had to deal in shady business dealings to come out at the top. I know of legit businesses that had to pay bribes to government officials to get large government tenders... but they have to do that, because that is the way that the world is changing.

You will also find that some online casinos are only a front for criminal cartels to launder money. They stay small and operate under the radar, but they are pushing a lot of dirty money through those casinos.  ::)

I think those secrets are not dark but mainly grey. I am sure that some gambling businesses seek exploits in law that would benefit them. But its not that something bad or something dark. Everyone would exploit a chance if given for no appearant reason other than his/her own benefits. If a gambling business make millions to billions of dollars through a method which gives them legal loophole I would not blame them. It would be a secret but yeah, not something illegal in theory.

If it was meant for the public to learn it won't have been called "secret" and if was genuine it won't have been prefixed with "dark".

Most of us only want to hear about the success of others but don't care to ask about what was done to achieve or get to that success. And yet we feel bothered when we finally learn that their way is not pure.

In my country, we have so many young ones that are being corrupted because of the desire to be like those in the society,  those that go around driving luxurious cars, and yet no one knows the source of their wealth. I think it's time we stick to this phrase "be contented with what you have".

It's similar like tax avoidance and tax evasion where that's a way to minimize paying tax, but tax avoidance is legal while tax evasion is illegal.

If the casino exploiting a legal loophole, they're not wrong because they're already follow the rule and they're not trying to hide it. Anyway it's not only happen on casino or business, but we as a civilians are still taking advantage over our country's law. Example when the government giving away free food, if there's no rule one person only allowed take one portion, we can take all the foods and sell it :D

I'm of a different opinion here, at least it's not all businesses that have secrets attached to them, the success of many businesses is open, and it's all about what people see and hear all the time by motivators. The secret of businesses is sometimes overpraised, thinking it's the best doing of the driving force behind the business, but they might just be lucky at times.

So, luck plays a very good role in business, but before the luck can shine on you, you must have done your part in terms of the capital, human resources, marketing and managerial aspect amongst others.

Your opinion doesn't have to align with other people have in mind and besides, this is a faceless forum, everyone is free to air their opinion. You see the journey of most of these successful people, the road to that peak isn't always as society portrays about them, if they are not into one or two dirty games, it is likely that there is someone doing the dirty for them on underground. It is likely that they are unaware of the magnitude of the dirty games that have been played in order for them to get to where they are. Look at the banks, is there any affluent business mogul who does not have a coalition with the banks? In reality, they own the majority of these banks and choose CEOs under aliases to conceal the true identity of ownership. I don't wager on things I don't believe in, and most of the time, I don't believe them.

I think that's a different kind of bet. It's not really something us people who gamble in casinos are doing exactly, those bets of theirs undergo a lot of thorough decision making and even if they are unsure of what the result would be, it isn't exactly a result that ONLY relies on luck, it relies on a lot of other factors together with said luck. You can never relate or use whatever techniques people use to form successful businesses in gambling, heck, I don't think gambling even enters the picture when thinking of building a business. That's a pretty narrow point and way of seeing things imo.

I also wouldn't really call it "dark", it's a secret yes, but I reckon some of them don't have that kind of darkness, at least in the early parts of their business career.

There's no clean business if is being managed by a corrupt individual, even charity organization in my country are being accused of corruption and they are just using this foundation to avoid paying huge taxes, so basically every businesses have their own dark story so that they can stay in this market full of challenges. In gambling, I expect more and yes laundering are also possible even if they follow the regulations I think some site are still not afraid on doing this, because they can own more by doing this.

What do you mean luck plays a role in doing business?
In the business world there is no such thing as luck, what is there is a strong will and intention because determination and intention are factors for success in running a business not only in the gambling business but also in other businesses.
What's more, the gambling business really requires persistence in developing it because it requires a lot of funds as well as a big responsibility where every team or casino owner must be able to work together to build a better casino.
The average businessman is someone who has tasted the bitterness of the industrial world because then they have quite a lot of experience and can dare to make decisions and take risks in building every business they run.

It is commonly and often believed that every gambling casino has there own hidden secrets behind the success of their casino which in the same way serves as their major reason behind the drive they experience as a result, not everything has to be clearly visible to everyone gamblers concerning how they thrive thier ways towards the part of success because they also pay the price for achieving they result they're having.

It's a bit hard to follow your story, what has real estate investing to do with gambling? I don't think that every business has a dark secret behind it. Just because there are some bad apples doesn't mean the tree is bad. Gambling is not a successful business model for the customer, only for the casino operators. If you don't have any many the chances of becoming rich through gambling is slim. Which doesn't mean it's not going to happen, just the number of people losing money is much larger.

So we shouldn't be surprised if it turns out that there are businesses that are managed to launder money, especially if it turns out to be a casino business owned by an official. And it is an open secret where one business pays bribes to local officials to ensure that their business gets protection from these officials.

Especially if corrupt officials own the casino business, he will surely seek the protection of corrupt officials of a higher rank with a record of paying bribes every month. So every casino owner will hide their dark secret from the public and keep it away as if their business is legal.

This is not the first place I had mentioned luck and grace as part of the factors that maketh success, some do agree with me, while a few as you disagree. Regardless of who is right between us, let me ask you just a few simple questions.

Haven't you seen people in an interview that claimed they made it in an unexplainable way, that they just tried their luck?
Haven't you seen people in the same line of business and with even more effort but couldn't make it like a few that are lucky to make it?
Haven't you seen a once-wealthy person that later became broke? Does it mean the person doesn't know how to do it right again?
Haven't you seen a single contract (merited or unmerited) changing statuses/business where the person doesn't have any connection, and that becomes his turning point?

I can continue giving you instances...

Efforts are so crucial to success but I put it to you today, it's not enough, many wouldn't have been successful or maintained their success if not for luck and grace at work.

I am thinking of players on this one. It's not just all about the owners that are doing dark secrets within their business premises but also the players that have been using the gambling industry with whatever they're doing. And one of the activities that can be said of being a dark secret for players is money laundering. Although this isn't limited to them because even owners can do this. But generally speaking, this is one of the most known activities that one can do and hide from the public. But if it's being hidden from the public, it means that they're involved with some illegal activities inside and outside the casinos.

One thing certain about money is that, getting it is not easy, and for many, it is what rules their world, this is why we see alot of people out there desperate to make money, those who have the heart and mind have gone diabolical, while others have gone into illegal stuffs, this are two different ends of the same rope.
Gambling in itself is an industry filled with lots of crimes, this is one of the reasons why most of our fathers consider a gambler as a criminal in majority of our societies, and this is also the reason why gamblers are stigmatized in the society..

In an industry where majority are into one crime or the other, it is hard for those who play legit to not drone in the water, and if they eventually survive, their business always stand the test of time.

It's common in third world countries that the government's agents have a very intimate relationship with powerful businessmen from different sectors, therefore, they have additional advantages and benefits inside the nation other businessmen and common citizens don't have. Consequently, they get even more richer, while others struggle to maintain their currently status or even go bankrupt.

Such advantages are a bargain, which doesn't come without counterpart. Businessmen show their "gratitude" by supporting the respective political parties and candidates in order to maintain the system of reciprocal favours.

However, with internet and social media nowadays, which bring everyone from every corners of the world closer, I see it's not an exclusive issue faced in third world countries, but also inside the powerful nations of the world, such as USA and european countries.

Yeah, that belief stays there and it will never be gone. That's why anything that can be thought connected to gambling and illegal activities are things that can't be changed and that's already in the minds of our fathers thinking that if we gamble, it's assumed that we're also doing the same thing even if we're not engaged with those. We can't blame them as the past generations have been acting like that and those activities really were happening so, that thinking is hard to erase even if we tell them that we're not like that and we're just simple gamblers that want to have fun and at least earn some and win some. Especially today with modern technology, gambling online is probably one of the things that the old generation don't want to engage with because effects of it are just the same on their thoughts.

Perhaps not all successful businesses have dark secrets of their own. Big business empires, on the other hand, probably have dark secrets. You gave us the example of a real estate company and stated that poor people lost their homes. Did the poor people who sold their land to the real estate tycoon not make enough money? Or were the officials of the government unable to assist them because they were forced to sell their lands at a very low price? And if the poor people live in slums and did not own the land, the land owner has the right to sell it, forcing them out of their homes. These slums were aware that they were illegally settling in the area and will be evacuated at any time.

Gambling is a form of entertainment, just like going to a circus show or beer house, where you pay for the services and goods. It just so happens that gambling also offers the opportunity to win. This is not a big deal because we all need to know our limits on gambling and to anything else, too much without control is always bad.

Yes, in fact there are still many people who believe in this, even though they don't know what someone actually does to make them successful and have a lot of money. After all, in this day and age there are so many things that don't need to be seen as work to earn money.
In my own environment, they still think that someone who works must sweat or must be seen what he is doing, for example, when he goes to and from work. And if there are people who don't look like they are working but have a lot of money they will associate it with negative things, I can only smile when there are people who do have that mindset.

I think that even those investors know that the company is doing illegal things only to earn big money, they won't still stop investing at it because what is important for them is they are earning. They only care about their selves and not the others. Okay, maybe not all of them but I bet almost 90 percent of them are like that. You are right OP, there must be dark secrets in every successful or even on failed business.

It's only unfortunate that we can not identify and accuse those company directly. Even if we do, do we think we can win on them? They are too big. This is why many people just mind their own business only to stay out of trouble.

Not every businessman is bad nor every business person is good too. It varies from person to person and you cannot give the same opinion about everyone.

I disagree with your point of view that every Successful businessman has dark history or secret. There are many successful businesses that are running honestly and they have a clean past. Remember that for success you do not need to be a cheater, but if you are a hard worker and honest, success will follow you.

Well it is true and I think most of us are aware of it, I mean some success came from dark secrets.
But we couldn't say that all of those success have dark secret or stories some might be a result from their hard work and high understanding on how business should be handle.
Not everyone needs those kind of connection in order to succeed.

To be frankly speaking, I will say that there is no short cut to success and same does that apply to gambling too, because if you could read the stories of world richest men, you will come to find that they all followed the rules to wealth creation, consistent and had faith in the process, and kept pushing despite in most difficult times, and today they are celebrated all around the world for believing in themselves. (I.e Bill Gate, Richard Brandson, Elon Musk, Steve Jobs, & Jeff Bezos)
So in conclusion, if you want to be a successful businessman, you need to learn the rules of success, power of communication & investment, as those are the most vital tool when it comes to wealth creation.

Well, that's for sure and that's why those honest business people that are into this industry have come through thick and thin until they've reached their destination of being successful.

Yeah, let's just do our thing and enjoy what's in front of us as we gamble. While them, if they've got some dark secrets, let them uncover it and if they'll keep on doing it, it's up to them since it's their business and we just only mind ours.

You are jumping all over the place and don't seem to have much clue about your point. You seem to have confused risk taking by the people you name with gambling, however it is a trait that entrepreneurs have and need to go through in order to succeed. Most successful people are successful purely because they persevere, they identify and accept failures when they happen and move on to the next idea or tweak the original one that failed. Land barons do not fall into the same category, often they get such possessions handed down and they do no productive work for the rent that they seek - it's an entirely different class and should be shunned as they are leaches on society.

Calling it "dark secrets" makes it sound a little too far. I know that a lot of big corporations have shady dealings but not "every successful business" What most of these big business is do in find loopholes in the laws and exploit them. This is why you can find a company that does business in an unethical way but in the eyes of the law they're not committing any crime. There are things that are not illegal but they're not also ethical.
However i have refused to believe that every successful business is dirty. You can be a successful business that have steps on some toes and hurt a few people in the course of doing business but that does not make you dirty.

Why do we consider successful business men as not humans? They are humans and everybody has done something shady to keep their hands clean. Not to talk of those with power and wealth, who have alot of reasons to remain at the top. They face multiple challenges everytime  and it's rare to find an industry that doesn't have dark histories. For instance, the Hollywood industry had some rough times before the second worldwar, relating to the Union, the likes of Bioff, and mafians; deceits, betrayals and cheating. So, since an average man has a bad side, the rich would also own theirs. Nobody is an exception, but people should learn to mind their business. Perfection can't be achieved on Earth. Black and White has a lot in common such that we can't do without them in our daily activities.

But we know that there's no such gambling strategy on which it could really make you do able to lessen up that HE on which you are trying to lessen out which rather it would be going into the opposite
side rather, we do know that you would eventually be losing even more when you are doing gambling for longer runs or as much as you could.We cant really be able to point out some fingers in speaking about
dark secrets or whatsoever.As long they arent that get caught then for sure business would continue, we cant even be sure if they are really doing something or just running
off the business typically on those common ways and methods.

I don't think it's right to blame them all the same, but I have some doubts about money laundering for some of the very rich. I don't know, maybe I think this way because I'm jealous of their success, or some of the movies I watched may have influenced me and my thoughts, but I've never had the opportunity to see any of them up close and I haven't witnessed how they spend their day. So my thoughts on this subject are actually quite a worthless pile. :)