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unfortunately it is really true and it happened today.
as i found out today, Xprim777 was called by yogg today and the bastard Patrick told him that all 21 playtoshi cards he is about to sweep.
he found the pk's on his computer...

https://www.blockchain.com/explorer/addresses/btc/bc1qplay4vkheyk4ayusmfrca46nawqvthdc66dlsg (https://www.blockchain.com/explorer/addresses/btc/bc1qplay4vkheyk4ayusmfrca46nawqvthdc66dlsg)

here is the official thread for this edition at that time: [AUCTION] PLAYTOSHI Coldkey - Bitcoin Toy 21 units 🔑 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5386316.0)

each of these 21 cards was loaded with 0.001 BTC each - unfortunately this bastard managed to sweep all still loaded ck-cards
i personally had after the halving set disaster completely wiped out all my cks

  What a motherfucker! So he possibly held onto all the Private keys of all his creations!

   Everyone should have swept all their items by now and not take any chances!

   I swept all except for the bonds as I am still awaiting the locktime date to arrive...But will check them now and see if he swept mine!

   What a piece of shit man!
 

What was the point? ???
Since Xprimm777 is in contact with them, can possibly trace the phone?

Can't say this is surprising news but extra shitty because the playtoshi's were one of the cooler creations along with the halving sets.  As many have already said, save your bits & peel any ColdCuntz because he has all the keys.  This wasn't just 1 USB or hard drive with halving set keys.

yogg just wanted to let him know that he is about to sweep another edition


i believe that this is not necessary.... Patrick must still be living in his scam-infested apartment.

Can confirm my playtoshi was swept -

I swept all my history sets myself but held out on the playtoshi and Diwali as the funding was so little - .001 and the premium was so large.

I will state this again:
Peel the 10 year anniversary polymerbits. Keys were made by Patrick.

We need to get him arrested.

If you were personally affected by this I think it's about time you try and get in contact with someone on the ground over there to take legal action. At this point it's actually a crime with intent and not just a one-off. I feel for you all who are losing out on this and if any doubts remained about whether or not you should peel, they have all but been answered by now.

Personal damage, including loans have exceeded $10k.

I don't want to even think how bad others have it.

 Well I just checked my Bonds and realized there are different block timelocks for each one

   Namely...Block 685296
                 Block 895536
                 Block 790416

    Current Block is 783769...SO I missed that we are past one of the Bonds and it could be broadcast and redeemed.

    I just did that for one of my bonds after confirming all the bonds have no been swept YET...time will tell though.

   Sucsessful in reclaiming at least one bond so far! Lets hope this piece of shit does not sweep the rest.

   SO to everyone who has the bonds....Broadcast the one you can and sweep!! Time is of the essence!

  

Reposting this here as well:

Hey Community,

Evidently Yogg is not finished with his thievery.
I *had two funded Playtoshi's that were compromised today.
I knew the risk, took the chance, and got fucked - poor decision on my part.
Just wanted everyone to know that this lost shell of a human being is still up to his felonious bullshit.
Karma's a motherfucker...

  SO sorry to hear that bro!  An idea...maybe we should use the Auction funds to press legal charges against this fucko!

This is the best idea yet.

This!

You guys got his address and his name/face. All of it. Get a French/English lawyer and inform the authorities.

This piece of shit deserves to go to prison.

100% to THIS

I think so too
He had the Audacity to sweep the playtoshi cos we did Nothing the first time.

sweeping for 0.021, this bastard

Hi, I confirm that my 5 Playtoshis were swept away by Yogg. I feel really sad and disappointed about everything that's happened. Playtoshi was a toy that I poured my heart into to make it last over time, and Yogg has destroyed it and even stolen the funds.

I feel terrible about it. When I created Playtoshi, I didn't want to handle the upload process myself because I knew the community really trusted Yogg and not me, but I was completely wrong.

everyone who has 1 playtoshi doesn't get rid of the toy, I'll think of something for playtoshi to survive.  ;)

having assisted in this project - I have all the addresses.

I can confirm all 15 that were part of the auction I hosted are now empty.

https://i.ibb.co/0ZrqbpQ/image.png (https://ibb.co/HYq78LX)


2 were swept on 1/12/2023

9fe59271e0ad7bddb5e43195747dca89a29e70e4f8551f662026135f92329360 - this was #15 and was me sweeping mine went to address: bc1qn37ly2yjla0thlnfsverzezrvxtxdsyvecp4es

a6d8adf15904ae5d907e35a48f42eb57213d696333460f3ff8c892145defe580 - this was #13 and went to address: bc1qxnywd9rdmdy6lvytz9zv0zw7pa3s4y3wzmp7v8

2 were swept on 1/14/2023

431d990a011e5209075ded4c88bb15aaf0bd8f124cc9bac1b2834b1464c20780 - this was #07 and went to address: 3H3kz8Js3qBtLoXy1nhdg3tpmA4wjALHEd

a7e1b994adf5dc216dee57651fe2cd0399203c49f28bb00b71f3b8ecc8f00483 - this was #11 and went to address: 3FBvXkWY3s5HLLZHVHHVmZ9Z54vmv95krv

11 were swept on 4/3/2023 - what strikes me odd about this is that while all swept at the same time, they all went to separate addresses vs going to one/the same address.

e1e326dcf9efcdcdb69229c9aaa39bdd1e3bb64a1c911046e49812d11b1fcc91 for #05 to address: 36zJyhriBRj7YSMNuwS6EXXSbJkuRoqSy7

e5a50e334a268f0d8db39b61e3a9cb1488c7a679b92605315c263faf502b434e for #04 to address: 3MkJYw6ARLrkNDWdkpW1BjRy8kycrVCuK4

63cd5a330cd6b76f18e280f39ce323b6a47a6ae2c2d7febcdd6d71a1c08e9267 for #12 to address: 3JR7VJBNQcw5PMsgYnDkre8XPLGqGoMCFz

3bdc673753874626f2a15f91d49573b6cb0230f3db3e20f5aa25ad1877b2a66c for #14 to address: 36TFWHGVPCVwmrmtZXxgNw355V2SVmJiaU

d11cef66e723a373e2984995ce264beed70277c5c1bb2b8e8a06a35d9b0148d7 for #01 to address: 35Vfh95JL83gEW1RZRBDMkv7aQiukbpoKG

62d060aef5899371ef36de8d173ba41be8c6f2f7b7380173d340668c461fe9c8 for #09 to address: 3NcZsvHxCctsoM7LmgQ9ZGqgybtax75R9D

2f63f03d4485dc6d2eef490630212113893fcd7ce85edd494a4de3faa1299fbc for #03 to address: 37TpAhBKeRtSjiUEhKiReqmVgxqbzXVQKz

056d467d16147cd89d46cc370e2ea2422b53de96691e24c2c115756c88d5c740 for #10 to address: 33yZQxGXbqZjaQ3txqS4oA5V4jLzLpKExA

05f70d1191ae09bc653a54e8f4c801661b083a60a18415ca4608ef132886c806 for #08 to address: 3NyEhJB12jqFM88oFX8gxymwW4nZwarVzw

8ef91877b6810ac0e0c3076b720031b58edd50017ea6c8c0a71222f7381d9df2 for #06 to address: 3A4C4owzcvW3E13set19nWsdK8KA1phYBR

db030baf1a70d6a4c75e54a7c819486bc5f7faa2c562435172be3e96fc72ddce for #02 to address: 3CnPrknJuJeQ7jhKE3PY3bSHLkzeAKLPHi

This leaves 6 others (#16-#21) which were kept by bitcoiner24h  - which based on the post above, 5 of those were also swept.

these were my two playtoshi cards, which i swept myself on the day in mention, as a precaution.

Ah shite guys, I feel for anyone who is suffering because of this scam which is gone into
a new pre-meditated phase.

Cant believe he would go ahead and go for Scam II for 0.021BTC, as others have said
there really isnt any reason to not redeem what you can.

The story before of him just happening across some stored keys was nonsense, to
keep the keys in the first place only points to a pre-meditated plan to scam.

From my estimates each "playtoshi" was going for roughly 0.01BTC

Lot 1: chronicsky - 0.01 BTC - closed at 8pm
Lot 2: PeakDK - 0.01 BTC - closed at 8pm
Lot 3: sweeteye - 0.008 BTC - winning bid at 8:03:19
Lot 4: chronicsky - 0.01 BTC - closed at 8pm
Lot 5: 2stout - .01 BTC - winning bid at 8:22:01
Lot 6: 2stout - .01 BTC - winning bid at 8:22:01
Lot 7: cygan - .0085 BTC - winning bid at 8:10:34
Lot 8: haloxon - 0.00725 BTC - closed at 8pm
Lot 9: cygan - .0085 BTC - winning bid at 8:10:34
Lot 10: Cryptogreatdane - 0.007 BTC - closed at 8pm
Lot 11: cygan - .0085 BTC - winning bid at 8:10:34
Lot 12: tweetious - .0066 BTC - winning bid at 7:51:51
Lot 13: geophphreigh - 0.0075 BTC - closed at 8pm
Lot 14: tweetious - .0073 BTC - winning bid at 8:03:00

Source: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5386316.180

So assuming the premium is destroyed (again) this breach was valued at 0.20 or more bitcoin.

This yogg guy is the lowest of the low and makes this community an absolute joke.

Does anyone even know why this Yogg guy was so trusted to begin with? Nobody even seems to know much about him.

There are still copper halving sets that haven't been swept: https://mempool.space/address/bc1qckqv39ny2yctc4f90hunpckpeduwhc9yfupgs2

I would be sweeping them if I were you (I already swept mine which is how i traced these transactions)

He was trusted because he was an early bitcoin talk member. Many people (including myself) have met him personally.

First time was coinfest 2017.

He had a great idea, and intentions seemed solid. He made the keys for the 10 year anniversary notes because he was trusted more than us at the time.

Personally, I'm more upset at the damage he did to the community than the funds I lost.

On top of what polymerbit said above I think some people "trusted" this guy because he was DT1 and they were doing politics, and some other people because this business is mainly a matter of reputation, and a lack of it could severely hurt this business and the value of the cards.
I remember a guy from the french board (not even DT) tried to put a red feedback on the Coldkey account 2 or 3 years ago and almost instantly he got a PM from a guy he had never heard of before, threatening and insulting him until he withdrew his feedback.

That is an interesting point to ponder. How much more distrustful of people here since we are all anonymous people behind a keyboard.
Once you have a F2F meeting with someone, the entire dynamic changes.

I have met a bunch of people here though the years to do trades and at events.

If there was a question of trusting them or not, I will probably trust them more because I HAVE met them. Which when you think about it really is kind of silly. Handing out after an event grabbing a beer and some food really does not make a person more honest. Con-artists and scammers do that for a living.

How many of us would not have gotten burned if he never showed his face and just sold things here.

-Dave

This needs to stop.

The damage this one person has done to an entire landscape of Collectables is now beyond true measure.

Despicable

Viz

If anyone would like to sell me their playtoshi, PM me

I will pay 0.001 which is the bitcoin value you have lost + I will pay for shipping and escrow fee.

First come first served.

So fucked up. Very sorry to the community.

Sad offer for something that cost .01 with .001 loading…. Many other words come to mind….  But if a playtoshi ownerneeds .001 that badly please reach out to me first. I’d do better.

all I will say is this - if you have one of the playtoshi sets - do not sell it, keep it - there will be a reason why. I normally would not say anything but I dont want anyone to sell their set prematurely, there is a reason to hodl them.

Agree!  Those things went for big money & no one is gonna add insult to injury & let someone grab one for .001 😂

Secondly, create your own WTB post if you’re gonna offer scraps to folks who have been through a lot already.

I agree wholeheartedly. Was not an offer to buy on my part, just inform or donate the sats myself

Does it help to setup a signed transaction already? I wouldn't mind creating a cronjob that tries to broadcast a bunch of transactions every minute. Once it's accepted by the network, bitcoind (which I have running anyway) will broadcast it. From the paper (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5228739), I assume you'll need 2 transactions: the timelocked one, and the one moving out of the address on there.
If anyone's interested, I'll set this up. Note that I won't need any private keys for this, just signed transactions.
If yogg kept the private keys used to created the locked transaction, all this is futile :(

He must have swept them one by one. At the first batch he stole, it took him hours to empty all private keys. That's not what an experienced scammer would do, but it (kinda) makes sense for a gambling addict (who may have been under influence (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5434506.msg61607669#msg61607669) while doing it).

All this is a damn shame. Yogg! A new expletive.

I've always thought there are basically 4 categories for physical bitcoins: 1. Loaded. 2. Buyer Funded or Unfunded. 3. DIY 4. Token. Have scammers created a fifth? 5. Rugged coin (has the holo and PK untampered but swept)? Doubtful this gains any premium but Physical Bitcoins are like collecting artifacts of early BTC adoption. All the scumbaggery done by the likes of Yogg and others are unfortunately a big part of the story.

it's incredible that he continues to "re-discover" his old keys, and this means many things.
The first is that he doesn't regret what happened at all, he lied about the key back-ups (probably has planned well and it doesn't want a one-kind issue).
He was trying to build relationship and trust with many members of forum.
Much more important what it was defined as "Personal Problems" however temporary/not-expeted, instead seems to have a certain "frequency" :( . Plus he destroyed a nice "brand" (and who knows probably also his vision of this hobby/free time).
Well, there is not much important as free time, and destroying a passion an inspiration is really a depreful act.

Whether it's gambling addiction, or drug addiction, it's best (always) to get to the "bottom" of these issues.

 I actually think that in the case of the Playtoshi that this will increase the value over time. The ones that remain in original condition with holograms still intact will fetch a pretty penny in the future. The $28 stolen load value is inconsequential to the inherent value of this collectable. This theft just gave Playtoshi a great historical backstory. That being said Patrick needs to be brought to justice. I support what Sats life said the other day. The charity money raised should be used to hire legal representation.

Jesus, what a cunt.

I really liked Cold Key, well guess theres egg on my face.

coldkey belongs to history since mid january!
let's look forward and enjoy the new project Icarus (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5435930.0) 8)

it's really not worth to get upset about this guy. he chose this and then he should live like this...
but we here in our great collectibles community can only be happy that we have so many great collectibles makers with very different ideas and they also come from all over the world! :)

Pretty crazy that I'd rather have a loaded microsoul coin than a coldkey now.  I mean how much of a d bag could one person be.  Blatantly stealing what amounts to a couple gallons of milk from each card lol.  I mean are people really not peeling these yet.  Why wouldn't you at this point?

Wow.  This is a whole new level to the scam.  Now he's literally calling people in advance and giving them a heads up that he's about to sweep more?  That's literally psychopath behavior.  I'm sure he's reading all these threads and getting off on it.  Please folks, if you have any private key this psycho created, get the funds before this can go any further.  The whole situation is terrible.  I'm reading about this guy taking loans from people?  Did everyone know that he had multiple loans?  This is the sort of thing that would discourage buyers from trusting someone.  Maybe a thread needs to be created keeping track of individuals that control private keys and ask for loans?  Looking back, it seems that all the warning signs were there, but people were blinded by friendship.  I think instead of worrying about recovering funds or making Yogg's life miserable (which is understandably justified) we should be trying to figure out how to keep this from happening again. 

To answer your questions again:

1. Now he's literally calling people in advance and giving them a heads up that he's about to sweep more? 
yes - He did that to let his last best friend on earth know in advance so he didn't hear about it here first ... Yes, psychopath at this point lol
2.  I'm sure he's reading all these threads and getting off on it.
No not likely/probably not.... He knows deep down it is wrong but has no options left, he didn't eat for 3 days so peeled those ffs... He had to wait until yesterday to get his monthly "on-the-dole handout" or whatever.... ::)
3. Did everyone know that he had multiple loans? 
No, he hid it very well. I knew of a couple but they were "legit" to me at the time thanks to his high intelligence on being deceitful and what I knew about the state of the business at the time.
4. Maybe a thread needs to be created keeping track of individuals that control private keys and ask for loans?
Erm.. Sure go for it, glwt... ::)
5, Looking back, it seems that all the warning signs were there, but people were blinded by friendship.
Yes, he is a very high IQ individual, and his father also scammed him 65k euros when he was a kid by signing papers he did not know about. This affected him deeply, he always said he did not want to be his father, but yes, he turned into his father. I congratulated him for it as a way of letting him know he's a criminal scammer now. :P
6.  I think instead of worrying about recovering funds or making Yogg's life miserable (which is understandably justified) we should be trying to figure out how to keep this from happening again.
That would be great, but how? ... Where is @MrCryptoHodl, @Liquidoptions, @raritycheck and the rest of the newer folks selling loaded shit? Keep track of them I reckon....

   LoyceV...Thanks for offering this but I am not sure its a good idea and I will tell you why.

   I see two scenarios here.... Lets say scum of the earth held onto the wallet that created the timelock transaction...then he can sweep at any time and there is nothing anyone can do about it unless they are able to broadcast and sweep before he does.
 
   The other scenario I see is, if he does not have the wallet for the timelock transaction BUT he has the private keys on the card, then by doing what you offer will load the card as soon as the smart contract is fulfilled and then it is a race between the owner of card and shithead to sweep first.

   If scenario two is correct and he does own the private keys, then it would be better to have the owner broadcast and sweep right away and getting the BTC. And that is exactly what I did and will do again once the timelock blocks are met.

My idea was to do both: setup a transaction that sweeps the timelock, and setup a transaction that sweeps "the card". Then broadcast them together.

  Loyce...wouldn't that mean you would need access to the private key? In order to create a transacrtion wouldn't the public key paired with the private key need to be loaded and then a transaction can be generated? Didn't know this could be done with no Bitcoin in it.

  And if not how would such a transaction be setup. Never heard of this novel idea, willing to learn how its done...thanks

Hi everyone, i hope you all are doing well.

I didn't want to comment on the subject until today but I will.

First of all I'm sorry to all the people affected by the scam of this moron Yogg (Patrick)

I saw that a thread on "what should the charity funds for the victims of the scam be used for" had been opened, and I didn't want to pollute it.

From a personal point of view, I think Yogg should be sued, I think it would be one of the only solutions to prevent this kind of event from happening again. It'll show anyone who thinks of walking away with people's hard-earned money that there are consequences.

Because keeping traces without consequence in the end has no interest and will not intimidate anyone, we are not in alice in wonderland, but in real life, if we want acts not to happen again there are not 1000 solutions, either we beat him up or justice beats him up. It's not about making life miserable for moron yogg, it's about protecting our community.

This kind of event impacts our entire community, whether collectors or creators. On the one hand we have people who lose money, and money does not fall from the sky, and on the other hand we have creators who live from their creations who risk losing their job which ultimately feeds them.(personally this is my case, since 2021(so 2 years now) I have been living from the sale of my collectibles and I am very grateful for it.)

being a creator and seller of collectibles, I have seen the impact it has had on the community with regard to creators, since mid-January and for almost 2 months people who buy my collectibles have had behaviors that I did not have never seen before here, I literally was overwhelmed with messages, whether people worried about the situation, people who told me they were stopping buying collectibles, and so on.(it stressed and pissed me off so much, even my mom asked me if I was ok when already 2 months had passed since the yogg scam.)

Personally I think that Yogg has a IQ close to Zero, the calculation is simple, no one has an interest in stealing the loading of his collectibles that he sells when he is paid in Bitcoin more than what is loaded in his collectibles. I see here a person especially who does not know how to manage his money. From what I could gather Yogg is a gambling addict, that says a lot about the person. this explains why today he is in this situation.

Now as I said above, this is my personal point of view, I am not a victim of the scam, and it is up to the victim to make the decision that they think is best for them.

[Excuse me if my English is not perfect]

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And Yogg if you read this message, know that you are a complete moron. You act knowingly, the fact that you are a gambling addict or a moron does not clear your actions, you can continue to hurt people but know that one day you will pay for it. and besides, you are already suffering the consequences, and this is only the beginning.

You can't send a transaction from an empty address, but I'm hoping you can create a transaction based on the (still unconfirmed) timelocked transaction.

Let's test this:
My (testnet) address on my made-up card is tb1qqngm2k9hpc4skrhxf5zl7m0p3m6tm9m0k3jv89. The private key is p2wpkh:cSSznAdAjUnBrL4EtkT1kPkygatqFhv8KrkiBUAY5j8iHcZW9uii.

From address tb1q7cevguh0kvpux8y9x9fczfuz2gxtlxrzvetfx4, I create a time-locked transaction to tb1qqngm2k9hpc4skrhxf5zl7m0p3m6tm9m0k3jv89. LockTime is 2428815 (1000 blocks from now). I can't broadcast this transaction yet:

With this information, I continue in an offline Electrum wallet, and import the private key (the one mentioned above).
I was hoping it would allow me to use the signed transaction and build a second transaction from there, but it knows the block height isn't sufficient yet so it doesn't work.

I tried again with Bitcoin Core, and I can create the raw transaction, but it doesn't let me sign it:
I really thought this must be possible, but I can't figure out how :( So never mind this plan :(

I can definitely back this statement up. He's caused our customers to second guess the security of our keys as well.

Creators should always be scrutinised. But there is no denying that there was a drop in sales.

This is why pursuing legal action against yogg is so important. Showing everyone here and elsewhere with collectibles that this is not accepted.

There's simply too many "it won't do anything good, leave him be he's broke and pathetic" - which might just open up the door to other scammers-to-be who take this as a sign that they'll face no punishment if they do the very same thing. It's worrying and I can definitely understand why potential customers are hesitant moving forward.

We're not going to drop this. But announcing strategy on a public forum we know he is watching... only allows him to be one step ahead.

Strategy should be discussed in private groups.

   I see what you wanted to do now....shorten or change the raw timelock transaction block or date? That is impossible as it is forged with the first wallets private key and without that key you will not be able to do that unless you have the key and you forge a new transaction from scratch.

   That's the beauty of bitcoins blockchain and smart contracts, they cannot be changed once forged.

    I one time created a time lock contract and spent the bitcoin to test...so of course when the transaction was broadcast it was already spent...useless and it was a double spend scenario....so of course it failed.

    I then loaded the same exact amount of bitcoin on the same address to see if it would work, and of course it did not. Every single Satoshi is unique it cannot be replaced my another Satoshi or bitcoin unless its generated with a new smart contact.

    That's one thing I LOVE about Bitcoin and blockchain technology. IMMUTABLE

     But thanks for at least trying. Cheers!

  I also read somewhere on this thread about the new coinmakers and trust level etc etc etc.

  There is no way to be 100% sure someone will not do what shithead did, but that is the risk of this unique hobby of ours and unless you are willing to lose a few sats on a loaded coin then don't buy loaded items, keep your sats on your paper wallets or Trezor.

     This fiasco happened with Alitin and others and most likely will happen again. Its a chance we all took when we bought our very first loaded item.
  I am willing to take that risk if the artwork is what I want with a very low load amount in btc.

      Our hobby will pick up again just like it did after Alitin. I am sure of it and I will still be a buyer as well.

What a pissed Yogg turned out. Scamming 0.001BTC a piece on his creation is the definition of real beggar. He might be high on some shit substance that make him addicted to scam every possible way.

I remember the time when is crying just someone put a red trust on him for nonsense reason even the user is not a DT. Shame on him for creating uncertainty and doubt to our collectible section.

I'm sorry to everyone who lost money. He ignored the #1 rule to destroy the pk's, so this is 100% premeditated crime. I was holding out some hope that he sincerely failed to delete some pk's somehow, made a terrible decision one day, would feel regret, get help for his addiction, and maybe there would be a redemption arc one day (especially considering he has irl friends here). The fact that he doubled down really shows he is currently a man of no worth or integrity. I hope he doesn’t have kids or family who have to endure him

It’s sad that collectors need to keep amounts relatively small and diversify coin creators to mitigate risk, but it’s the nature of the game I suppose

Yogg if you read this: do what’s hard. Get yourself together, come back and explain why you did what you did, and take small steps to make things right. It won't be easy but it will be worth it

From another thread 👇🏼

Been trying to avoid most things related to this yogg-up for a while now. Was about to move on.
But seeing this sweep just goes to show:
- Words are wind, there seems to be no remorse whatsoever. At least his priorities are clear.
- Sweeping an insanely tiny amount of 10x 0.0021 (around 500 USD at this point in time) makes it clear that that he's either extremely desperate or just doesn't give any fucks (if he ever did?), willing to grab anything in his rech for his own benefit. Probably a mix of both.

Disgusting to see another friendship/collaboration destroyed by sick greed. My condolences to bitcoiner24h and anyone owning one of these.

he also started sweeping the history keys and more of the halving wallets. He has zero remorse.

So,  he saw that nobody is after him and he is still stealing funds. Damn.
Sorry to hear that...

I suggested keeping track of the amount of BTC loaded onto coins that a maker has access to (presuming they kept the keys, which I feel the need to say that I don't keep any keys I engrave onto my coins) and I believe I've been making that suggestion for many years now.  If the maker has loans as well, that would obviously be worth noting.  I'm sure someone here would be glad to keep something like that up to get merit, not me, but somebody.  This is just an idea I had.  I don't know what motivated people to trust Yogg or buy his products.  Maybe the bashing of honest creator's reputations played a part as there are only so many collectibles here and not everybody has the time to research who is telling the truth when allegations arise...  The folks that did buy his products and considered him trustworthy would likely be the best source of information on how to prevent this from happening again.  To those effected by this, what would have opened your eyes to the red flags and given you hesitation to purchase these products?



I can understand this point of view.  There's probably no fair way to distribute the funds, so doing this at least inconveniences Yogg.  My concern would be...  What if Yogg won the case?  I'm not a lawyer, but it seems like a theft of this kind hasn't been tried in court before and maybe it would open the door for other creators and embolden them to steal from their customers with no fear of consequences.  Although the lawsuit itself may be a consequence as I'm sure it would be a pain in the ass for him. 

i wanted to clarify something.
since some users have already written to me about the refunding of the playtoshi edition or also about the history cards...
i personally decided to refund all victims who were scammed on the halving sets.
since that day it was known that yogg is untrustworthy and some here also wrote that you should peel all your other ck-cards too, it is now rather rough negligence that some users still had loaded ck-cards and now have been scammed again by yogg...
the refund of these cards/editions will not be taken over by me anymore

just my 2 sats

I agree! I personally chose not to sweep my playtoshi as it’s load of .001 wasn’t near worth the hundreds of dollars I paid for the set. My only regret is that Yoggs punk ass got that btc… No coldkeys are safe - yoggs gonna get them all.

Couldn't agree more.  Once the rug pull was announced, onus was on the collector to peel.  Scope should be limited to the halving sets if correct.  I too lost on the Playtoshi but it was a gamble I was willing take, albeit a high risk but stakes were low.

well not necessarily negligence for everyone - a few people had their cards buried or very far away (in other countries in the case of at least one person I know) and could not get to them. But yes, many kept them unpeeled - why? I don't know - being intact probably did not increase value as no buyer in their right mind would consider paying for the load value knowing it could go poof at any moment.

Also, some did not see or even know it was happening until the latest rug - as they were not frequenting the forums.

Does this mean I think you should reimburse any/all who lost due to later sweeping? Not by any means. Just pointing out it was not negligence in all cases.

negligent was only with the people who are frequenting the forum and therefore have written to me then already

agreed.

Greetings,

I just had a microsoul & sol noctis that were swept & a Titan 2FA that I'm unable to redeem.  Will you please refund me??

hahahaha

Who would even ask for .001 and who would leave anything more than .001 on a coldkey? Personally everyone should be peeled and redeemed if you aren’t willing to lose the btc - peeling my sole unpeeled Diwali now cuz I don’t want Yogg to have it as he’s a worthless piece of shit! Will happily donate if someone wants to visit him

   I totally agree...for the people that were forewarned and took the chance of not sweeping, then the onus is on them.

   Trust me, as a collector I so wanted to leave my shitkeys intact, but knowing what had happened and what possibly could happen, I swept them all
...took me awhile cutting into the holo with precision and sweeping every card that had BTC on them. To me it was a race against time to make sure this fiend did not get my BTC and I am glad I did.

  The only ones I have still left with BTC are my bonds. I am monitoring the loaded addys to see if they are swept before the locktime arrives.....and it cannot arrive too soon before I sweep every last satoshi from them!

On April 18th he swept the Diwali edition…. Fucker was planning this for years - check the address

bc1qckqrfwdcykcwvmzqxrg4vuvhs6ty5d2pjjvhw0

He stored the keys for years - - if my losses were bigger - I’d be on a plane. The world isn’t that big. Can get anywhere for a few thousand dollars

Not fully familiar with coldcuck product palette - what's a Diwali edition?
Sorry to hear it, hope most people swiped their remaining cards already.

Yes, could be planned, but my guess is he "somehow" kept lots and lots of private keys on different devices and his business structure was a mess in that regard from the beginning. Now, that he decided he really doesn't give a shit anymore, whenever he stumbles upon some keys he just goes ahead and swipes whatever he can grab.
Whichever may be the case, just disgusting.

Thanks for the heads-up, PMICT.

those were the ones commissioned by Agrawas to celebrate the holiday.

here is a raffle where he did 3 of them with a silver piece.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5287983.0

31 were made

Of course he kept them all, IMO if he kept one he kept all of them. The crypto bonds were to me the biggest red flag. Locking up the bitcoin for x amount of years would give anyone PLENTY of time to get right into their back door and run a clean sweep on the funds. Patrick is a con artist for sure. He managed to fool everyone here, it really is a shame he had to go on and do that. His collectibles were truly a form of art. Now they are just one big cold key sham. We still have the memories though, right? lol. Gotta make some positive out of all this.

Oh, these flew completely over my head back then. What a shame, yogg not hesitating to touch anything, even all the private/personal projects, Playtoshi, now this.


@tread93: Yeah, whichever it is, all keys kept or "just some", as soon as you keep ANY keys as a maker, you have already stepped on the stairs to scammer-hell imho.

I agree with this. I have made errors when making keys (one I put the pub addy in and the pk facing out - this was fixed before any loading was done - thankfully.

But I have never kept any keys - fuck that. No amount of funds are worth that.

A "fun" sidenote, even with the total amount of money swept by yugg, my guess is the value of his brand name was well over what he got out so far. Not an expert on such a valuation, just a gut-feeling.

That's a negative side effect of working as hobbyist. If it were a legal entity, it would be easier to evaluate the value of the whole business - and of course it would be easier to transfer it to someone else. Otherwise all he had was a 'reputation' of nice cold cards producer. And it seems it was not enough to pay his gambling debts, or whatever was the cause. Having everything formalized, he would know (or even ask for independent evaluation) how much the whole business is worth.

Le Shame

This is because you value your reputation more than money. And good names are priceless to some who actually value them. Why, some money is everything, which is exactly where the Yoggs guy belongs. He doesn't f*cking care what tag is given to his reputation.

  Its sad too, to throw your reputation away so early in the game. Couldnt he see that the real opportunity to make money was coming. The opportunity to sell these to the masses. Probably could of made hundreds of thousands legitimately and kept his reputation in tact.

Problem was for him... He apparently coulld not make it that far due to his mental health etc...

I'm currently of the strong opinion that his abuse of drugs, alcohol, non-sleep, and EFFEXOR (https://www.quora.com/Is-compulsive-hoarding-and-gambling-a-side-effect-of-EFFEXOR-XR-venlafaxine-hydrochloride-If-yes-why-isnt-it-mentioned-in-the-prescribing-information) caused all this. He should be in jail. I've tried, but nobody will help really..

BTW, if you are considering flying there, make sure you know someone cuz you will NEVER get to his address or even to the right train unless you speak fluent french, so glwt.

He's a complete scumbag, and belongs in jail, however his current status as "handicapped" due to autism, and all of the above, he's completely fucked. If anyone knows his mother, if she finds out, she will cut him off forever and it already sounds like that may have happened already.

What a waste of life. Kinda surprised he's not living in the ghetto on the other side of the seine right now with all the other junkies, but he needs his meds, kitty-cat, and obvioulsy, a fuckin smack upside the head and a trip to the cop-shop, but I'm not convinced this will ever happen anyhow TBH...

Fuck that guy... ::)

I found this thread by chance today and I must say that the fact this guy actually has gone his way to sweep satoshis off addresses/collectibles sold over a year ago only makes this situation even worse for everyone involved, obviously him included. Why even call someone and reveal the sweeping?

Is this community actually going to stay still do nothing about this?
It is not my intention to negatively compare this forum to other places on internet, but guys on 4chan have gotten people fired/arrested for stuff way less serious than this and without having personal information on their "suspect", there are registered cases, of course.


So French authorities do nothing even though reported this as a crime. Because this is a crime.
People in France would get thrown in jail for causing less economical damages that he has caused to people in this forum, that is what I want to believe. or can I actually fly to France and rob people and nothing happens?  

This works (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5447970.msg62321268#msg62321268), using Electrum. I tested it on Testnet.
Or this (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5447970.msg62054764#msg62054764), although slightly more complicated, should work on Bitcoin Core.

   Responded with some questions on your thread.

What you need to understand is there’s not jack shit you can do besides notifying French officials /filing a criminal report or whatever it’s called there. Yogg has no money, and this means you can spend all the time and money you want to sue him, but what’s that going to do if he’s got no money to pay his victims back.

I’m still blown away by the general lack of understanding of this. The poll asking what should be done with the funds raised for victims of Yoggs scams, easily going in favor of suing Yogg shows a serious lack of understanding of the law and how suing someone works. I believe I’m the only one who’s consulted a European lawyer about this who stated what I already knew. I know because it wasn’t the first time I’ve consulted an attorney about suing someone. Not to mention I’ve worked for a law firm before and we saw theft cases where people wanted to sue all the time.

Has there still been no update on how the donated funds are going to be distributed?  This really isn’t a hard decision people.

Seems to be enough for a plane ticket to France and $5 wrench :P

I knew about mj’s escrow services… I didn’t know about this one! :P

I don’t think we need to be advocating violence, but it does seem like someone should be doing something. In the United States I think the way forward with something like this would be to take him to small claims court. It would be a pain in the ass and I think you could only recover $500 per victim, but if France had something similar and we had a Frenchman here who was willing to waste some of their time to be an annoyance to Yogg, I think that wouldn’t be a bad way to move forward.

I would think a "miner" would use a pick axe or shovel  ;D , but OgNasty is right, violence is not necessary. The dude doesn't seem to be in a good place and probably needs help himself. He does need to meet justice though which would involve jail time and a record for harming others financially.

No funds from the auction should be needed for this to take place. Suing would be a waste of time and funds, as it would cost more money and you'd get nothing back. All you'd need is to report it to the correct authority and present the evidence. They would need to see the evidence for a judge to issue a warrant for his arrest. If they can't find him at his address on file, the next time he is pulled over or has an encounter with authorities he'd be taken in.

Note: this will lead to an investigation and make the forum a crime scene as all comments will be reviewed involved with CK and related topics. All I'm saying is be prepared for unintended consequences of an investigation...whatever that would present.

Maybe just make a thread of all known information on the perp and known value of crime to make it easy for the Judge and prosecuting attorney, as they may not understand the theft. That should move this along faster and I can get back to my collecting without distractions and negativity.  ;D

I haven't chimed in on happenings to date, but I had a gut feeling about Yogg from the start and never purchased any products other than one, a Diwali. I did this in support of a trusted forum member and friend, Agrawas. Having forgot about purchasing this item years prior as it was only loaded with .001, I found it in the safe recently. The POS Yogg swept it. My fault for not pulling the funds before he did. I'm not trying to dip into the messy reimbursement thing going on, and we all know that physicals come with risk in the hands of a POS like Yogg. Licking my wounds, but here to stay. Another one bites the dust....

https://imgur.com/a/rtAG7f2

https://live.blockcypher.com/btc/address/bc1qckqrggmf83aw0h5a5jnn76uggwl43scu49qge3/

Here's the issue with that... I tried, and we don't have anybody that I'm aware of anymore - Nobody in France (even victims) want to help, they just tell me they don't want to get involved and it's not worth the time etc. IDK. That's just what a few French people told me. The only way to really do this is to go in person to the Rouen/Normandy Police and present this in person. Phone calls are not going to work here, even if you speak fluent french... ???

Sorry everyone, this guy has burned my life down in many ways too, so I feel your pain, and I have literally done everything I can think of here, so I'm out of ideas.  :'(

I'm ready to help. Small court does exist in France. But to my knowledge only if the loss suffered is under 5.000 euros. I think the "real" court would be better.

Although some said he has no assets, it looks as if he is still running a company "COINIVERSE" in Paris.
https://www.societe.com/societe/coiniverse-821120342.html


 

Did you not read my post? Taking Yogg to court is an utter and complete waste of time.  Why can't people understand this? Good lord.

I've been told he has zero affiliation to that site - it must have been some sideproject he helped with long ago, also his documents to register AALTWORLD were phony and done by some russian/ukrainian dude who just sells his id out to create phony records for people on the darkweb IIRC ... Can't recall his name right now, but it doesn't really matter I guess, it can all be traced online.

Thanks bestcoin, appreciate it. Is there any type of class-action type of law over there? https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/class_action#:~:text=Overview,group%2C%20or%20%22class%22.

Well, IMHO it depends your motivation...If your goal is to get your fund back, then yes i agree unfortunately.
But, if you want to make him understand that his behavior is robbery and that laws do exist, then i don't think it's a waste of time.

To me he carried on stealing, just because he didn't get any warning from the authorities.

Do you have evidence?
If it is true, it would be considered much more seriously by the court, and he would have a jail sentence. A thousand time stronger for the judge. They are not joking here with that.

Would it even be possible to prove the theft in front of a judge? You'd have to find a judge who understands Bitcoin and collectibles, or get a credible expert to explain it. You'd also have to prove yogg (and not someone else) emptied the collectibles. I'm not a lawyer, but it looks tricky to provide evidence where the online world touches the real world.

I agree with this.  At this point I would say there is next to 0 chance of anyone recovering anything from yogg.  However, if people really feel that they were wronged and want any kind of justice, a small claims court would likely be the only way forward.  Who knows, maybe the person going through the effort would be able to recover something small for themself, but likely not.  It would be about inconvenience and nothing more.

People wanting to take this to a criminal court have to realize that no contracts were signed (to my knowledge) so a court would likely side with yogg even in the event you could prove it was him who emptied the coins, which is unlikely unless he withdrew them directly to an exchange where he had verified his account. 

I stand by the statement that if you want ANYTHING done, someone in France will have to take him to small claims court.  Otherwise, let this be a learning experience and make sure that if you're going to trust someone, they have something to lose by betraying that trust.

Yes i agree. That's why it should be easier to tell the authorities that he made false claims when registering his company. Much more simple to understand and to verify for the court. And i can tell you the French government hate being stolen/taken for a fool...

Yogg would have made much more money while continuing to make and sell new CK and others cards on the long term...rather than stealing his customers...CK was selling fast...Still can believe that all this happened...What a nightmare...

  Aye a nightmare indeed it is....I just wish he is held accountable for his actions and not get away with this...it will set a bad example for any future physical bitcoin creator who might get any ideas that by doing so there are no repurcussions!

   I do hope someone does find a way in Europe to get justice done once and for all.

physical bitcoins, or third party private keys generation should not be trusted or even accepted at all !