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Official and valid links to PureMixer leading directly to the original service:

Clearnet: /]https://[banned mixer]/ (https://[banned mixer)
TOR: http://[banned mixer]/

PureMixer's official sources:

Telegram channel: https://t.me/PureMixerNews
Technical support: PureMixer@protonmail.com
Personal technical support (tg id): @PM_bitcoinmixer / Session: 05913fd9cc9a0bb26ebd30f200bc12e184886e32dd807039038f11810625b69036

For cooperation also contact us at: PureMixer@protonmail.com or in Telegram: @PM_bitcoinmixer  or in Session: (ID) 05913fd9cc9a0bb26ebd30f200bc12e184886e32dd807039038f11810625b69036

important!
We are not responsible for your funds that have been stolen by fraudulent clones [banned mixer]. Save all the above links/sources, and use only them!

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Service PureMixer.io in detail:

• PureMixer is an unregistered company
  
  
• Own strict privacy policy
  
  
• Practicing the absolute no log principle
  
  
• The ability to connect directly with one of the PureMixer developers in person on the most anonymous messengers (see source above)
  
  
• PureMixer is built entirely by hand. The service does not contain any constructors or frameworks
  
  
• Our structure is in no way related to CoinJoin technology! The service practices classical mixing, the main goal of which is not obfuscation, but to completely break the links between your transactions before and after mixing, thereby preventing further blockchain tracing
  
  
• Supports VPN
  
  
• PureMixer commissions are among the lowest on the market
  
  
• The commissions end not in round values, but in pennies
  
  
• Availability of PureMixer code (mixing code)
  
  
• Integrated Letter of guarantee
  
  
• We store information about INCOMPLETE transactions for 168 hours to assist users in case of need, and delete this information instantly after 168 hours
  
  
• We run a Telegram channel that publishes all the news, events and information related to PureMixer (a must-read, see source above)
  
  
• Ability to add multiple Bitcoin addresses to receive (up to 10)
  
  
• The ability to manually set the delay for each recipient address individually
  
  
• The ability to distribute as a percentage the entire deposit amount in parts, also individually to each recipient's address up to hundredths of %
  
  
• The ability of the service to set an additional randomized delay of several minutes (random delta) to the main delay selected by the user
  
  
• The ability to set a delay up to 168 hours
  

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  warning!
  Service [banned mixer] does not clear coins! PureMixer cleans your history and related data, thereby interrupting malicious surveillance by third parties, which, accordingly, prevents the deanonymization of your funds and your identity. In other words, PureMixer separates your dossier from yourself and leaves it in the past while providing a completely new one. In view of this, we strongly recommend that you first check the funds received at the recipient's address for the presence of a low or acceptable risk coefficient (AML check) by various methods at your discretion (for example, in AML bots), and only then send them to the CEX. If necessary, you can repeat the mixing service to achieve the desired result.
  
  
  
  
  Be with a pure dossier, be with PureMixer
   

Hi there sir and welcome on Bitcointalk.org !

Congratulation for your activity and I hope that you'll platform will do many good things !

Do you have thought also about marketing strategy for your site? My advice to you is to organize something of cool in terms of advertising here (a signature campaign would be the perfect example) in way to let your

company known from everyone. Also, how many BTC you can mix for every transaction? Are you available to provide a proof of reserves?

Boring.

As soon a new mixer creates a topic, you immediatly see replies such as
- "advertising campaign!"
- "here is my service!"
- "you're new"

LMAO

What about talking about to mix bitcoins? The tech, the market, etc...

@PureMixerio

contradicting  ;D

It's better now :-D

You do know the purpose of a Letter of Guarantee, right? It's so the user has hard evidence in case you don't deliver. A "unique number" proves nothing. I can think of only one reason for not providing one: it helps cover up a potential scam. If you have good intentions, why risk people thinking this way?

You can do that with a Letter of Guarantee too ;)

What is new that this service offers? Your idea is found in most mixing services at lower or equal prices, with the possibility of increasing the time up to 200 hours, not 45 hours.

The deposit address is Legacy address - P2PKH, which means that you will pay a lot of fees as mining fees.

I tried to test the addresses accepted by your service and found that you do not accept the Taproot address - P2TR

The website design is poor and some pages are slow to load.

I totally agree with LoyceV here! The Letter of Guarantee is a thing for a reason. It's like a formal promise that someone will fulfill their part of the deal. It's pretty handy in situations where there's a lot of risk or uncertainty involved.

@PureMixerio, how do you expect your customers to prove their deposit in the event of a dispute? An order number key serves no purpose because it proves nothing and you can easily claim that it is fake.



What happens if the transaction is not confirmed within 72 hours, which can very easily happen in the case of sending with a low transaction fee?

Did you mean PureMixer service fee is among the lowest on the market? I don't intend to promote whirlwind in my post but they offer free mixing and that's donation based as we have seen with ChipMixer. Although whirlwind is doing this as an experiment for the next 3 months.
PureMixer code can ensure that any user won't be receiving his BTC accidentally. That's great. I'm not really an expert here but what will you record here? Say my PureMixer code is- ABCDEF

So, whenever I will put this code, you will ensure me that any previous tx from me won't be sent to me. So, you are recording all of my bitcoin send/receive address under the PureMixer code ABCDEF? Am I right? So, you may not have any clue who am I but you will surely know a lot of my addresses, I mean ABCDEF owns all these addresses. Can you please explain it more because I'm not an expert here as I said?

Welcome to the forum

I just checked out the website, not that it matters so much, but the information is scattered in huge letter across the home page, making it easy to ignore. Very huge letters always feel so intimidating to the eyes

I suggest you redesign the home page, put in some more additional information such as FAQs for users who access your site minus looking at your ANN in this forum

To be fair, they haven't claimed that their service charges the lowest fees in the market. They say PureMixer commissions are among the lowest on the market. Pay attention to the wording.

Hello Gianluca95! The minimum amount for performing the mixing service is: 0.001 BTC, and the maximum amount for today is 56 BTC. But the maximum value of 56 BTC may vary (downwards). This is because our system automatically displays to the client, who is on the payment page, the liquid amount available at the current time period. This may be due to the fact that, for example, PureMixer has successfully sent a transaction to the client, but has not yet received the change. As practice shows, this is quite a frequent phenomenon, since the turnover of transactions into and out of the mixer is quite frequent.

As for your offer to provide confirmation of reserves, unfortunately, this contradicts our strict privacy policy. The service was created and is intended for anonymization and privacy of digital traces in the blockchain. Therefore, in our opinion, it will be ridiculous and uncharacteristic if the service for providing such services does not adhere to them itself. We are convinced that if the two sides are equally strict about the caution and privacy of their affairs, then the result will be appropriate. We call it "rules of business hygiene." More about this and about our strict privacy policy in general, you will be able to find out very soon in our telegram channel. We are preparing a post on this topic. We perfectly understand your distrust and wariness towards us today - this is normal, because we are a business in the field of finance, and not in the field of children's toys. But just give us a little time, and we promise that you will change your opinions about PureMixer for the better, because that's where we're going.

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Hello, LeGaulois! We would not call this a contradiction, but rather an exception. The fact is that during our 4 months of existence, we have faced a number of different problems directly in practice, namely:

a) Problems with trust in the project. In general, it is understandable, because there is not much information about us due to the specifics of the organization. And so, in the future, when users have any doubts before using the mixer, they will be able to go to this branch and read various kinds of discussions, like the one that is happening now and already visualize everything much clearer.

b) In view of the first point and the fact that the site of our mixer itself does not have any detailed explanation in detail, and in the Telegram channel we have not yet physically had time to post posts that would exhaust many questions. Because of this, we had to constantly answer many users' questions in considerable volumes, of course, describing and explaining how our product works. This, let's be honest, turned out to be very tedious.

c) Well, another reason why we found it necessary to come to this forum is that we really believe that we have created a good and effective tool, but you, crypto enthusiasts from all over the world and with a huge background in this area, will be able to help us bring PureMixer closer to the status of the best in the world.

Hello, LoyceV! The order number key function is identical to the letter of guarantee function - in case of problems or disputes, this will be your personal and only proof that a certain transaction in the mixer belongs to you. Of course, there is no scam here. In addition, if problems or disputes arise, the letter of guarantee will testify and be proof that your ownership right (in this case, bitcoins) was sent to the service and at the moment of misunderstanding is in it, and not with you or anywhere else. BUT IT DOES NOT GUARANTEE a REFUND of these funds, as you yourself mentioned, if the operator turns out to be a fraud and decides to appropriate your coins. To sum up: the letter of guarantee guarantees the evidence base of the actual location of your funds in the service, but not their return back to you.There are no additional risks for customers due to the order number key, once again - there is not and cannot be. Perhaps you just don't understand how this element functions. Well, dear LoyceV, we will tell and describe both to you and to all other outside observers how the order number key works in the system, because we are here for this:

After filling out the mixing order form and confirming it, a mixing order is created. At this moment, the Order Number Key is automatically generated, assigned and attached to it (the order) to all other data you have entered, respectively. In other words, order number key combines and becomes one with all the information about your order, and, accordingly, it is broadcast on our servers together with it. Order number key is unique.

This is BS. Change is received instantly, and unconfirmed change can be spent from your own wallet.

Or, and that's my bet, you don't own 56 BTC, which makes this an exit scam waiting to happen.

I can't help but feel your responses are in fact quite childish.

You're a Newbie with 4 posts, who thinks he can be trusted with 56 BTC. Your promises mean nothing. You're also breaking forum rule #32 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=703657.0).

This is a lie!
Your entire website relies on trust. If you lie about things I can check, I bet you also lie about things I can't check.

Your "number" proves nothing to the outside world.

You just lied to me. I have no reason to believe anything you say.

The Letter of Guarantee helps prevent the next victim by exposing a scam. If you're not willing to provide one, that means you don't want victims to have hard evidence like in this exit scam (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4469056.0).

You're missing the point, but I'm pretty sure that's intentional.

I couldn't care less about your "number". It's meaningless.

Nice try to be condescending. I don't trust you. And I advise anyone not to use your website.

Your statements are highly misleading, to put it mildly. You must be well aware of the fundamental difference between a legitimately constructed, cryptographically signed, and publicly verifiable "Letter of Guarantee," and the arbitrary, random code generated by your system. There's no middle ground here: if you're aware of the difference, then you're blatantly lying to the community, and if you're not, then you're nothing but a bunch of incompetent amateurs who don't belong in this industry.


That's not true either.

This is my Order number key:17u3HP95Zunjep6hpo3XRkTJJzdwUgkw. What exactly does it prove? How can I independently verify this?

Every mixer platform (such as [banned mixer] for example) has already provided proof of reserves in the early phase. So, I don't see anything of wrong if you also do it. This will help community to trust you, and here there

are many users (like LoyceV, filippone, and few others) that are really really trusted and can verify your reserves. How community can know your strength? How can I know if I can mix 1 or 1000 BTC simply by using your

platform if you don't have reserves to mix my Bitcoin?

I think this is the smallest problem that the OP has, considering all the other "doubts" that have already been raised in this thread. The fact that the OP obviously does not understand the difference between Legacy and SegWit, given that he uses the former, perhaps speaks volumes about the technical savvy and seriousness of the project.

It is more than obvious that recently there has been a real mix fever in which everyone wants their piece of the cake - and that means that we cannot expect everyone to be professional in what they do.

Hi Little Mouse! Indeed, our commissions are among the lowest on the market. The total majority of mixers today have commissions starting from 0.5%. And for a considerable number of mixers, they even start at 1%.
As for your misunderstanding about PureMixer code, we have prepared for you and all readers a short FAQ on this topic:

How is the mixing code arranged and how does it work ?

- We mark transactions with a unique identifier. It is the marking of transactions that allows our system to recognize and distinguish your funds from all other funds in the pool, which prevents the receipt of previously deposited coins when using PureMixer again. Each incoming transaction into the PureMixer pool, accordingly, is already tied to a PureMixer code. And it will remain marked on the address in our pool (to which your deposit eventually arrived) until a certain point.(up to what specific moment , see below) *

Could the mixing code undermine your privacy?

Important! PureMixer code is assigned only to transactions! neither to your IP addresses*, nor to your dates*, nor to your wallet from which you deposited into the mixer*, nor to your wallet for receiving funds from the mixer*. Consequently, there is NO direct linkage of PureMixer code to the service user himself and his personal data.
****Reminder: PureMixer does not maintain and does not collect any logs and information that can somehow be associated with the user. All information is immediately erased from the servers upon completion of the service. The service fully adheres to the no logs principle.

Will your PureMixer code be saved in the database ?
-Not for long.

* The address in the pool that has accepted your funds will sooner or later use them up on other customers of the service who have come afterwards. Your code will not be passed on to customers who will receive your funds in the future, as it is unique. The code will simply be exhausted. Consequently, in the base and from the data regarding PureMixer code, which were INDIRECTLY connected with you, in the end - there will be nothing left.

Update: Both clearnet and Tor version no longer make any request to external website.

Status: Resolved. Tor version doesn't make request to google server anymore.

Isn't it contradiction when .onion version of your website make request from fonts.googleapis.com and fonts.gstatic.com? I don't know much about it's privacy implication, but i believe it's enough to make privacy conscious person to seek different mixing service.

https://i.ibb.co/mFpySXR/3.png (https://ibb.co/mFpySXR)

As far as I know, fonts.googleapis.com and fonts.gstatic.com downloads fonts from the google server. Thus data is shared with google. There are ways to prevent this. But first PureMixerio should have its say. Otherwise he would get the answers on a silver platte.

Privacy conscious people have a browser set up to block such things, it's part of the basics like having an ads blocker to surf the web.
If they don't  have, they don't belong to the privacy conscious group.

I don't think he needs to specify it when everyone knows and knowing the web is full of external fonts by the way

No real harm to be honest, if we speak about privacy.

I am not sure if I understand you correctly.
Can you take that for granted? Everyone learns step by step and I can not imagine that privacy conscious people set everything correctly before using a browser for the first time. Just as surely not everyone knows at the beginning that Bitcoin is pseudo-anonymous.

I get your point. But when people use Tor Browser to access .onion website, they generally don't install additional extension following Tor Project suggestion[1].


Perhaps, but as i said previously it's enough to make privacy conscious person feel uneasy with any mixer which load data from third-party website.

[1] https://support.torproject.org/glossary/add-on-extension-or-plugin/ (https://support.torproject.org/glossary/add-on-extension-or-plugin/)

We have corrected this misunderstanding both in the clearnet version and in the onion version of our sites.
@ETFbitcoin, we ask you to check the adjustments we have made yourself, and if your claim has been resolved, then please confirm this in our thread and correct your message in accordance with the current state of the project. Thank you in advance.
https://i.ibb.co/yfVyYk9/2023-05-11-00-08-18.png (https://ibb.co/7YbWRpf)

Update: Both clearnet and Tor version no longer make any request to external website.

I can confirm Tor version no longer access make request from Google server, so my claim status has been resolved. But take note clearnet version still make request to Google server. It's possible https://fontsplugin.com/google-fonts-checker/ (https://fontsplugin.com/google-fonts-checker/) actually check cloudflare security check page rather than your actual website.

- We offer cryptotransaction anonymization services based on classical (traditional) mixing. To date, most bitcoin mixers use CoinJoin technology or are somehow indirectly (as they themselves claim) connected with it. Which is not good due to the fact that for many years analytical companies have used and continue to use many tools and countermeasures against this technology, such as CoinJoin Sudoku and others. A certain number of mixers are running on the basis of the Jambler platform, which is also not good. Since the operators of such bitcoin mixers cannot guarantee with 100% confidence to their users anything, for example, the most important thing - privacy, since the service is far from being 100% subject to them, because such mixers will be produced on the Jambler infrastructure.
In any case, true privacy adherents will not constantly use the same mixing service, as this jeopardizes their anonymity. Everyone who uses bitcoin mixers on a regular basis needs to use them alternately. This approach is mandatory. This is because for deeper data analysis, analytical companies use numerous strategies, such as identifying behavioral patterns and masking methods. This is an integral part of the entire process of tracking cryptotransactions from analytical companies. Its name is clustering.
As for the delay, in our upcoming update it will be increased to 5 days (120 hours).

- In the future, we considered switching to a different format. Especially if we take into account the current situation, when we observe a strong congestion of the BTC network caused by the interest of BRC-20 format tokens and the Ordinals protocol. If this situation does not settle down by the end of May or even worsens, then we will have to consider this situation as a matter of priority and take appropriate measures to transfer reserve assets to the current format - (bc1) by our upcoming update. We'll keep you posted. Follow the news.

- PureMixer currently supports all address formats:

P2PKH which begin with the number 1:
Example - 1Fh7ajXabJBpZPZw8bjD3QU4CuQ3pRty9u

P2SH type starting with the number 3:
Example - 3KF9nXowQ4asSGxRRzeiTpDjMuwM2nypAN

Bech32 type starting with bc1:
Example - bc1qf3uwcxaz779nxedw0wry89v9cjh9w2xylnmqc3

Except just the same Taproot - P2TR format you mentioned. It will also be available in the future.

- For our part, we do not notice any failures or delays in the operation of our sites. The pages are working properly, nothing freezes. Have you made sure that everything is working properly on your side?
As for the design, this was not the main purpose for us. The main thing was and is that our tool is unique and effective.Therefore, I repeat, our service does not use any constructors and frameworks. Regarding the interface, there was only one task - to make it simple and convenient to use. This task, we believe, has been completed.

Dear users [banned mixer]! We come to you with a message that the update of the project is postponed indefinitely. It will definitely take place in the near future, and we will certainly make an announcement with the exact release date of the update when the time comes. The updated, upgraded PureMixer service will undoubtedly be able to give substantial competition to any other mixing service on the market. We are convinced of this, and you will also be convinced of it. On behalf of the entire PureMixer team, we sincerely apologize for the delay. We will definitely keep you up to date. Follow the news.

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Well... Since we have already made a statement, we will also answer your lingering questions/misunderstandings at the same time:

You are right, this moment is not so important. At the moment, we have more important things to do. When we deal with all of them, then we will move on to the tasks of the interface. In addition, we run a telegram channel in which everything related to PureMixer is published. There users will be able to find answers to their questions. Thank you

Proving the availability of our service funds means providing you with the balance of a service wallet with addresses, which is absurd for several reasons:
1) We don't know who exactly is sitting behind a well-pumped user account. It is possible that the older brother  :). It is also possible that in the near future a competitor will contact the user to whom we have provided the balance of funds with a very piquant offer to provide information about our balance to him. Which, in turn, will result in very serious and irreversible problems for the project.
2) If we take this step, it will alienate from us third-party adherents of anonymity and the corresponding loss of these very users.
Mission [banned mixer] — to preserve the privacy of both your own and users. It is this combination that will ultimately betray maximum productivity. These are the beliefs and principles on which we were founded.
We, in turn, provide you with much more than a wallet balance.This is the time. We're in this for the long haul, so, after all, over time the picture will shine through more and more clearly in relation to us.

And yes, after your message, we looked through the branches of almost all the mixers, and none of them revealed their reserves except for the only mixer you mentioned - Cryptomixer. Maybe we were not so attentive and missed it, if so, then please throw off the branches of mixers in addition to Cryptomixer, which revealed their reserves. Thanks

Regarding your question about how the community will be able to know our strength.
Everything is quite simple: if you are personally interested and need mixing, but at the same time you have doubts about our product, then you can first send the minimum amount for mixing, and then, if everything suits you, then send large amounts already.
And so, review the reviews about our mixer and you will not see any negative reviews, or even misunderstandings about any delays. Our tool is working properly.

Hello. In fact, the probability of such a situation is minimal. But if it does happen, then in our modal window everything is clearly written out what to do in such situations. (see photo)
https://i.ibb.co/2NtSkLR/2023-06-02-02-10-31.png (https://ibb.co/JQ7qsb8)
https://i.ibb.co/MkSNhtB/2023-06-02-02-11-20.png (https://ibb.co/5h4c9SK)

Yes, by the phrase "did not receive the change" we meant an "unconfirmed" transaction. After all, even though the funds after the transfer are displayed in the final wallet instantly, yet without confirmation in the blockchain, these funds are "dummies" that cannot be used. We apologize for the possibly inaccurate wording.

Okay, this is your bet, your opinion. And it has a place to be, given that we are a relatively new product that has some shortcomings today. Our vision is the following:
1) Abuse of decentralization
2) Undermining decentralization
3) Place and time
And now we will describe each item in more detail :
1) Hacker attacks. The fact is that over time, more and more crypto projects are being launched and put into operation. The more new projects there are, the more vulnerabilities and opportunities for hackers, respectively. And old, stagnant and market-leading projects are introducing various financial technologies, which also entail vulnerabilities. Therefore, in order to protect their assets and themselves, users should remain in the shadows using disguise methods. One of these methods is a bitcoin mixer. This is quite a serious problem, since hackers are constantly improving their skills by adding more and more sophisticated methods of bypassing project security systems, which accompanies the deanonymization of users and the corresponding theft of user funds and personal data. And we can assume that this situation will only get worse over time. And then, our services will come in handy.
2) Every day, month and year, law enforcement agencies of different countries, with the support of analytical companies, tighten control over citizens' crypto assets, introduce more and more restrictions/bans and threats, create various tools for regulating and tracking crypto accounts, recruit various large projects, exchanges. And the latter have no choice but to either curtail their activities on the territory of the aggressor state, or else submit to it and thereby deal a huge blow to the ideology of "decentralization". So, we are talking about the fact that, as a result, statistics show us multibillion-dollar turnover through mixing services, which indicates that users realized the seriousness of undermining "decentralization" and began to take precautions against their finances, trying to isolate them from hateful individuals. In view of all the above, we can conclude that the trend for services such as bitcoin mixers will grow. And it will grow exponentially. And we are sincerely glad to be a part of it.
3) The market situation for us, as mixer operators, has developed in a good way. And we concluded that now is the right time and place for a successful outcome. In 1 year, such mastodons as chipmixer (siezed), blender (siezed) tornado cash (sanction) have left the market. There is a lot of money in this area. We are not considering an exit with any amount, as this is a short-term benefit. We have seen in our own practice that the mixing service is quite a profitable business. And becoming one of the best mixing services means —> making a solid profit every month on a long-term basis. And such an outcome is a priority goal for the project. Even if we take into account the data of the Ministry of Finance and analytical companies on how many funds passed only through chipmixer and blender, it will already be billions. And then these are only the values that they were able to identify and fix, that is, the so-called "tip of the iceberg". Since in fact these amounts are much more impressive. Now these billions are stagnating, and their owners are closely watching the trend of newly minted bitcoin mixers and testing all mixing services in the hope of finding a worthy replacement for the now defunct (closed) mixers. And no one has managed to take their places yet due to the time of existence of currently active mixing services. Yes, we did not go quite well and admit that at the moment our service is not competitive in comparison with some of the leading mixers at the moment. But we are working on it. We are not going to stop and will not stop until you, enthusiasts and potential customers are satisfied with us. This is our job. This is our task.

Again, we don't think so, because it's irrational and stupid. Users themselves weigh all the risks and send smaller amounts. Even if their goal is to spend the same 56 BTC through our mixer, they will divide this amount into certain (small) parts and gradually, step by step, spend the entire amount, thereby minimizing any risks for themselves. Of course, this method significantly increases the fee for network fees, but still. If we talk in this way, then here is one of the options.

With all due respect, we haven't said anywhere that you HAVE to trust us right now. We, of course, realize that projects like ours will be worthy of mass trust not in a matter of days, weeks or even months, but for a rather long stagnant time. This is a long process. And we are ready for it.
By the word "identical" we meant that the order number key for the user is the only personal proof that the mixing belongs to him, as, in fact, in the case of LoG. You are right that with a letter of guarantee, a user who has become a victim of a fraudulent scam will be able to create a "riot" thereby warning the next potential victims and sinking this fraudulent project. Our intentions are good, and we will confirm this in practice. (see below) *

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But everything we answer to you,@LoyceV, is just text, not actions. We are not scammers, and we do not even want to be associated in any way with such persons: like in this exit scam (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4469056.0).


* Therefore, we have reviewed your criticism and concluded that it is really constructive. We promise that we will reconsider our attitude to this situation, and it is possible that you will see LoG already in this very soon update of the project. And then, when this happens, we will be happy to resume communication with you, only in a more optimistic format. Thank you.

You're lying again, 7 weeks is by no means a long time. And it took you 7 weeks minus 2 days to respond to a simple question.

This is exactly how exit scams happen.

We're in this for the long haul*. That's what we meant. Another typo.

The reason for such a long response to you lies in the fact that we took into account your note regarding the forum rule #32 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=703657.0). After we answered the questions, the next activity in our branch was observed after a long period of time. That's why there is such a delay in the response. We apologize. From now on, we will put all the accumulated questions in one message.

You're partly right, but no one is immune to this. As practice shows, even some of the most popular and sought-after mixers end up resorting to fraud. As you yourself mentioned earlier, this industry is all about trust. And, as we mentioned earlier , PureMixer is here to stay. So only over a long period of time will we be able to gain the trust of potential clients.

Editing your post is not against Rule #32. And you can also write another post (right after your previous post) after 24 hours.

Thank you for informing us. It would not hurt us to allocate a certain amount of time to study the rules of the forum. We'll do it at our leisure sometime  :).

How convenient ::)
Why don't you edit the misleading statement?

Nice, another lie. You've posted several times since then, and there is of course the edit button.

I'll just keep reminding people not to trust you :)

Edited.

Yes, that's right, we did. The reason for this is that we simply wanted to promote the thread this way (1 question - 1 answer, question - answer, etc.). But it turned out to be ineffective. We figured it out and took it into account. We really didn't know that we could post after 24 hours, even if the last post in the thread came from us. Since that list of forum rules you sent us 32 the rule goes like this: It doesn't mention a word about the 24 hour interval.

We understand your indignation about our order number key instead of LoG. But, as we wrote above, we will figure it out and do everything right (implement LoG).
But tell me, please, is there anything else in our product that really bothers you and seems doubtful? We will be grateful for a detailed answer. So that we can also fix it if possible.
And one more question to you: which is the best mixer on the market for you today and why?

Yes: it's you. You can't change that, you started by lying, and once caught, you can never be trusted.

The best mixer in the market is gone. There's currently no market leader, but I know one thing: only the ones who are always honest stand a chance.

Okay, we heard you. It makes no sense for us to have a discussion now, but we will definitely return to this as soon as the already updated one is launched [banned mixer] . And then you and I will proceed to the very climax. See you soon and have a nice day.

· Integrated Letter of guarantee (order number key).

· Switching to a different, more up—to-date format of bitcoin addresses (from legacy "1" -> to Bech32 "bc1q").

· Ability to add multiple Bitcoin addresses to receive (up to 10).

· The ability to manually set the delay for each recipient address individually.

· The ability to distribute as a percentage the entire deposit amount in parts, also individually to each recipient's address up to hundredths of %.

· The minimum commission has been increased from 0.3% to 0.5%.

· The range of commission selection has expanded. It was up to 1.5% - it became up to 2.5%

· The ability of the service to set an additional randomized delay of several minutes (random delta) to the main delay selected by the user.

· Changed the concept of the 3rd page (payment page) at the front-end level.

· Significantly optimized algorithms.

· Increased the range of delay selection. Was up to 48 hours, became up to 120 hours (five days). 168 hours (seven days).

· Added 1 more channel for secure external communication (support). In addition to the Protonmail and telegram - an anonymous messenger Session.

· All of the above is also available and adapted on the websites of the mobile version.

· requests from external fonts, such as: Fonts.googleapis.com and Fonts.gstatic.com were eliminated, both in the clearnet version of the site and in the onion version. [banned mixer] service no longer uploads any third-party, external files.

· The approximate waiting time for feedback on questions/support has been changed from 30min —> 1 hour.

On behalf of the team of this product, we recognize that the PureMixer project required improvements, both small and insignificant, and large and significant. And we've been through it. We have created a perfect product for today, which from a technical point of view is not inferior to the best services in this industry. We have carefully studied all the feedback and suggestions that you have sent us and have made appropriate changes/improvements to our product. We sincerely thank you for your criticism and support. Your participation in the development of PureMixer is invaluable, and we promise that we will not stop there. We will continue to work hard to provide you with the best coin mixing experience on the market and become your trusted partner in the world of digital finance. Thank you for your patience and waiting.

We kindly ask the following users to correct their early comments/notes in view of the current state of the service: @LoyceV, @Husires, @decodx, @FatFork, @ETFbitcoin

We also ask users to look at the minimum amount BTC for mixing. It varies depending on the order form you have filled out, namely: additional addresses to receive.
1 address to receive = Min. amount: 0.001 BTC
2 addresses to receive = Min. amount: 0.002 BTC
etc.

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We acknowledge that our integration of the "order number key" instead of the letter of guarantee was a mistake. We also admit that our vision in this regard was also erroneous. But that's in the past now. And in the past, not because we rejected it with a "wave of our hand", but because we accepted your criticism and developed it, revised and rethought many things and carried out a huge and painstaking work on mistakes. And eventually fixed it. For all the long months of PureMixer's existence, there has not been a single "victim" or even a person who would publicly complain that his coins were not delivered to him on time. Because even if there were some "incidents" in mixing, we solved everything with users in the near future, since several operators of the PureMixer service own channels for feedback with users at once, just in order to please those who are in different time zones and solve problems as soon as possible hurry up. We also regularly visited the forum during our absence/bug fixes and update development in order to resolve any problem that a user would share using our product. In connection with all this:


We intend to close this "gestalt" consisting of doubt in us and distrust of us. At this stage, the most important thing for us is your loyalty to our project. It is necessary to eradicate all doubts and misunderstandings about our product, and then fully enter into marketing. In this regard, we appeal to the entire staff of the forum: please write what makes you suspicious about us at this moment, after all that we have already done? What else do we need to do so that you all understand the potential of our strength and the seriousness of our intentions? - We promise that we will fulfill this offer, whatever it is. Therefore, we ask you to treat this request with the most responsible approach, because this is one of the most important stages for us as a service that will be used by a lot of customers in the future. Go ahead! We are waiting.


 

This is really great news. I don’t think there is a more effective tool for resolving any disputes than a letter of guarantee.  :)

Despite the fact that my opinion may be subjective, it still seems to me that I speak for the majority. I remember that initially you made some statements regarding your reserves, statements to which trusted forum users were quite skeptical.

Therefore, I suggest that you consider selecting one or two users and showing them a signed message confirming the availability of your reserves. I am also sure that there is no need to confirm the full amount of your Bitcoin reserves, since I understand perfectly well that technically this can be problematic.

But at the same time, I am inclined to think that confirming at least 30% of your reserves will add significance to previously spoken words and at the same time demonstrate the seriousness of your intentions to thoroughly gain a foothold in this niche of privacy-oriented projects.

I would recommend that you choose LoyceV (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=459836), since I don't know anyone who values their or others' privacy more. This user is also one of the most trusted users of the forum, so I believe that this is the most suitable candidate. Of course, you can also choose me to check a signed ... I could tell a lot of good things about myself, but I'm afraid that it would not be ethical (so you will have to rely only on the feedback history about me).


By the way, it seems to me that the commission fee, even at 0.5/2.5%, is really low (considering how much privacy costs in modern realities). For that matter, you might also want to consider introducing a “pay what you want” type of commission fee. I know of one mixer that uses a similar strategy, and it has been the most successful mixer in the last few years.

Now I was looking at your calculator and I'm surprised that the only offered calculation option is in dollars. Isn't Bitcoin being mixed here, not Dollars and are the mixed coins I receive converted according to the BTC/USD ratio?
Also, the additional 0.0005 has to be calculated afterwards, so your calculator is completely useless. During the whole mix process, I had no idea how much bitcoin I should expect.


You forgot to add the fixed fee per address "It varies from 0.5% to 2.5% + 0.0005 BTC per each target address."

After looking over what I said earlier (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5448710.msg62094888#msg62094888) about your service, I don't see anything I should correct and  what I wrote fits with how your mixing service worked at that time.

Your service had some real issues that needed fixing.  But hey, at least you're admitting now that you messed up and accepting well-intentioned criticism. Better late than never, right? It's good that you want to improve things moving forward.  I respect that. 

I don't think now's a good time to evaluate your mixing service considering the issues with Bitcoin network congestion lately.  But maybe you could organize some kind of contest or campaign to get people on this forum to test out and review your service? Get a handful of members to try it out and give feedback and  that might help generate some buzz.

I can confirm now clearnet version also doesn't make request data to external website. I've edited my posts.

My feedback (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=3547780) was accurate, and my neutral feedback on your profile stays. There's nothing to "correct". You're in the trust business. You lied, I'll never trust you.

Hello, Icopress! We fully share your opinion on this. :)

Yes, we stated that the maximum amount that a client can mix in our mixer is 56 BTC. We have not made statements regarding the reserve directly. But yes, the fact that the maximum amount we have declared for mixing = 56 BTC suggests that at least this amount should be in our reserve. Some trusted users do not believe in the presence of 56 BTC in our reserve - we agree. We ourselves have given them reason to think so in the past. Well... we are ready to go for it and sign part of our bitcoin reserves (if it is really that important to you guys). It will not be easy to sign "technically" the entire amount, yes, but it is possible. But another thing is that a certain amount scattered over many wallets, as a result of mixing, leads to users, and it will be impossible to sign it for other reasons, namely: for reasons of confidentiality and our "No Log" principle, since a certain number of bitcoins have been mixed and sent to users during our existence. Therefore, in fact, we will get into their "pocket" and undermine their anonymity, which is unacceptable to us and which we will never resort to under any circumstances. We hope you understand and appreciate it. :)

Our main motivation to implement the calculator in USD, rather than in BTC, was that all our competitors (who have a calculator) - the calculation goes in BTC. And we decided to stand out so that users have a choice: use the calculator in USD or in BTC.

0.0005 BTC - for a reason. For this fee, the client can receive his funds from several transactions, even if he filled out an order form with one address to receive (this does not matter). + Our service always sends a transaction to the user with a sufficient Sat/b commission (including to avoid network congestion, which we are currently observing). This is so, for general understanding. Thank you.

Right. ;)

We can hold some kind of competition or distribution of deposits to test the service. There are no problems with this. But this "action" should be carried out after the weakening of the Bitcoin network commissions. I think you will agree with us.

- Yes, your feedback at that time was accurate. We don't argue. But now everything has changed, and we just asked to edit the message in view of the current state of the service. If you don't want to do it, don't. This is not so fundamental.
- In fact, we didn't lie to you and all the users of the forum. First of all, we lied to ourselves in view of our incorrect vision on this score. Note that after your constructive explanation to us about the letter of guarantee and the essence of its importance, we did not continue to discuss and "bend our line of truth" as we took this into account, realized and developed it and eventually corrected it and admitted the mistake. This is about the letter of guarantee.

You also publicly expressed the following:
And we are ready to eradicate this doubt. Many refer to you so that we sign bitcoins for you. And as we answered above, we are ready for it.

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My feedback has a time stamp. If I ever need to update it, I'll add another one.

You're not making this any better....

Great! Sign a message proving you owned 56 Bitcoin on April 15, 2023 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5448710.msg62094371#msg62094371). And, assuming the funds have moved, even better if you sign another message proving you still own those funds. If you do, I'll confirm ownership in this topic without posting any addresses.
Feel free to PM me (but know that Cloudflare can read this (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2485318.msg25458974#msg25458974)), or send an end-to-end encrypted email to my Protonmail (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2836875.msg60002205#msg60002205).

This makes no sense. Anyone who trusts me, would trust my word for it. Anyone who doesn't trust me, also wouldn't trust whoever I pick. So I'm not picking anyone.

I’m not sure that this is necessary if a message is signed confirming the availability of reserves at the moment.

OP wanted to remove all doubt I had about this on April 15. It is indeed not necessary to prove current ownership.

You can have USD as an option in the calculator, but I don't see the possibility of choosing BTC. The service is mixing BTC, not FIAT, it is clear from the story why all competitors use it that way. This is a suggestion, not an attack, and it is up to you how you will do it.

How absurd it is, here is an example. I got the result that on the mixed 1000 USD, I get back 995 USD, but I have to calculate -0.0005 BTC on that. In doing so, which Bitcoin exchange rate did you take into account? A simple thing, but so complicated that I'm losing interest in using your service
https://talkimg.com/images/2023/11/17/FRLPH.png



@ETFbitcoin was recently active in this thread. As they have a proven knowledge of Bitcoin, I suggest them as another member for this verification. If he wants, of course.

@ETFbitcoin, are you in business?  :)

So I'll be as brief as possible.

- I received 8 signed messages, each of which included my name and the current date.
- The balances of 8 Bitcoin addresses were replenished at approximately the same time and contained a total of more than 50 Bitcoins.
- All signatures are authentic and verified using Electrum so I confirm that PureMixer has significant Bitcoin reserves.

I hope Loyce will join us and will also let you know if he received a similar letter from PureMixer.

We thank icopress for his cooperation. ;)

Yes, we sent an identical letter confirming the reserves to the user LoyceV. We also expect ETFbitcoin if he shows interest in this.

we also want to note that icopress and LoyceV were informed in order to permanently delete the signed message after checking and making sure of its legitimacy.

Confirmed.

Confirmed. I want to add that the addresses were funded recently. This proves access to funds at this moment.

Confirmed.

That seems futile after sending it through Cloudflare (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5448710.msg63173604#msg63173604), but I've deleted the PM. Note that the PM stays on the forum's server until you delete it from your outbox.

I'll add here my two cents, if I may. I remember I read about this company back in April, yet it seems things are changed now.

I was not involved in this discussion since its beginning, but I kept an eye on it.

What I want to add here is that icopress is, for sure, a very trustworthy forum user and he received many appreciations for his professionalism during years. If he says he received the signed messages I believe him.

At same time, LV is another very trustworthy forum user and, in case he will also confirm the messages from PureMixer all doubts are solved.

Both of them are persons which I'd trust to cash out my salary each month and I'd be more than sure they would give me my money back.

Later edit: Loyce posted just when I was writing this and it seems we have his confirmation as well.

Sorry, i'm not interested to verify it. More member trust @LoyceV than me and in terms of technical knowledge, there are also some member who outperform me.

Over my time on this forum, I've witnessed enough to confidently vouch for the trustworthiness of both icopress and LoyceV in this matter. I trust their judgment and their assurance that they've verified the signed messages validating the [banned mixer] reserve funds.

Very interesting that OP was loudly opposing to provide the signed proof of reserves highlighting risks of undermining security of mixing operations and their users, but then simply sends the sensitive data over a state-controlled unencrypted communication channel, instead of relying on a more secure alternative offered (email that supports end-to-end encryption). It's either hypocrisy or incompetence.

Playing devil's advocate here. :) Maybe OP just thinks there's a different level of sharing classified stuff here? Sharing info through messages that the government might see later is one thing.  But publishing it for all to easily find is something else. 

Anyone using the service can probably guess the original addresses and wallets from the transactions.  But that ain't the same as having the concrete prof, signed address out there for all to see clear as day.  thats a whole different thing putting it out there like that.

Just thinking out loud over here.

Maybe. But I personally think OP clearly doesn't realize the threat model they will have to face and counter.

Given also how long time it took for OP to understand the importance and rationale of LoG, I'd say the OP is relatively new in this industry without significant experience in operational/informational security and probably doesn't understand their threat model's top element is state. I would think twice trusting this service any sensitive information such as UTXO flows since I doubt they can provide a security level required for operating a mixer.

A new mixer of course is always welcome, but the problem here is that if the operator isn't experienced enough, significant gaps in security and IT knowledge may cost their users serious problems later, since it usually takes one mistake to have the whole operation compromised when your enemy is state. Note that ability to code a mixer doesn't mean ability to secure operations properly.

I would expect something like this after a first subpoena or letter from FBI on their email:


Or even worse - them being investigated low-profile then suddely having their servers seized with all the customer data compromised. Happened to some of the best in case you are familiar with historical events of services on this forum :)

After reading everything here, I gotta say I'm on the same page about this. One obvious example was using fonts and stuff from third-party sites. Like, who needs fancy fonts on a bitcoin mixer? Even newbie coders know that crap can be used to track people.  If they're making such basic screw-ups, I dunno how much I trust PureMixer to really know what they're doing running this kinda biz.  Im no security expert that's just my take, but it's enough to make me skeptical.   

They say it's untraceable but that seems kinda suspect if they cant even figure out simple opsec stuff and  maybe the tech is solid but they just suck at web dev, idk.  Still though, makes me nervous to use them.  You'd think they could hire someone who understands privacy basics. 

Thank you LoyceV for your cooperation ;)

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This is just the beginning. :) Thanks!


Yes, at that time we didn't want to sign the message. and the reason for this was not the method of sending subscription messages, but to whom we will sign it. We didn't like the fact of signing bitcoins to people unknown to us. But we ourselves brought the situation to such a "boiling point" that it really became necessary to sign bitcoins. And we signed bitcoins to those users whom the majority of the forum trust.
Regarding the method of sending: you are reasoning hypothetically (that, they say, law enforcement agencies could notice this message), and when the reasoning is hypothetical, no probabilities can be excluded. So yes, there is a chance of this, but let's be honest, it's close to 0, because it doesn't work quite like that (that companies keep records of everything and everything). In addition, the correspondence lasted only a few hours, since on both sides (both from ours and from the users to whom the messages were signed), the dialogue was irrevocably erased.


We have built our tool with dignity and in accordance with the privacy parameters. We have acted carefully, taking into account any possible outcome of this case (including the worst if the FBI liquidates our servers), and in this regard we have taken counter measures, in view of which you as users will not need to worry about data leakage. One of such significant actions on our part is that we have deployed servers in a territory that is outside the jurisdiction of the US government and most EU countries. Our service flawlessly and fully copes with one and the main task: it makes a complete break of the blockchain between incoming addresses from you and outgoing addresses to you. By traditional mixing. Where in return you will receive completely alien and unrelated coins in the past.
We, as service operators, fully cope with one and the main task that already comes from us: we permanently erase user logs after a successfully rendered service.
As for the letter of guarantee, the issue has been resolved. The problem has been fixed. Not a single user has been harmed during the long months of our service. There's no need to stir up the past.


All of us (Bitcoin mixers) are under such a blow. The question is different: how well the operators have prepared for this strike. We repeat: our servers are located outside the jurisdiction of the USA and most EU countries. Accordingly, they will not be able to get legitimate access to our servers by a court decision. Based on this: they can either simply liquidate our servers and only, or go further and maliciously seize and gain access to our servers. But if they do that (which is possible) then they will not be able to bring it to the media and will not be able to get a warrant in order to fully investigate the case, since they got access to our servers illegally. Based on all this, we can conclude that it would be better for us, as service operators, not to keep any logs regarding users.
And yes, everyone's favorite CM, which was liquidated in the spring of this year: stored records of personal data of customers weighing 7 TB :). We assume that the operator of this mixer intentionally saved and accumulated information about orders, so that in case of proceedings with the authorities, he could rely on the "crutch" from the collected data of these orders, in order to offer this data in response to some kind of leniency. Arranged a kind of "airbag". And he can be understood, because he is a citizen of a neutral country for various jurisdictions, to whom they could easily send an extradition request.


You wrote about fonts. Well... CryptoMixer after more than 7 years of work still sends requests for fonts (and for some reason no one talks about it ???). ETFbitcoin user kindly pointed this point out to us and made us realize that it is better to eliminate it. Which we actually did.
We think that when experienced users find "holes" and shortcomings in a newly-minted service, this is completely normal. After all, forums of this kind like BitcoinTalk are also designed for this, so that the community with their knowledge in different fields and points of view - to bring the service to perfection.

Note that Cloudflare can't read Bitcointalk's servers. It can only read messages when they pass through:

Hi! We remember and keep in mind your criticism regarding the design and adaptation of our homepage. First of all, we decided to focus all our attention and strength on more important aspects, which we successfully coped with. In the near future we will take up this, so that your note will be satisfied. We will not give specific dates yet. We promise only that it will be fixed.

We are waiting for a design change, in general, the mixer does not resemble a simple scam site, it seems that the developer is trying. Time will tell

Yes, as we wrote earlier, we will deal with this issue in the near future.

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Just an hour ago, a bitcoin mixer called "Sinbad" was liquidated. This is both bad news for those who suffered the loss of their funds at such an unfortunate moment, and a very good opportunity for us as bitcoin mixer operators. Sinbad was a worthy competitor, with a fairly strong technical component. In this regard, in addition to improving the design, we will also add/improve other aspects of our service. We will do everything to become the best alternative possible for you. Wait for us.

Telegram for support?

I haven't extensively read their privacy policy, but I am very skeptical about that app. To me, it's like a ticking time bomb. Let say you were in sinbad situation and the law enforcement was combing through all corners for evidence and information about the person behind the mixer and the customers. What would stop them from reaching out to the Telegram team for the information and logs?

Let's be honest. At the moment, the darknet exists and will continue to exist. And moreover, to progress. Let's say the goal of any government is to eliminate one well-established and large-scale darknet site. However, according to all the canons of ancient mythology, in fact, three more sites are formed in its place, similar to it, but only more immoral and selfish. The mixing services market has already been formed and it's not going anywhere. The war declared by the Governments of various countries is futile. It cannot be defeated by the methods that are used against our services. Bans won't work. The stricter the punishment, the more profitable this industry will be. In view of the banal minimization of supply, by eliminating the huge and influential "players" of this industry. We felt this from our personal experience after the liquidation of Sinbad. Since after this incident, the amount of funds coming into our service has increased. This forum is a discipline for all of us (Bitcoin mixer operators). It is here that we answer with our "head" for every flaw or unpleasant situation. It is here that we publish and keep all users informed about updates or various technical services. This is where we build our reputation. This is where the victim can report fraud to any service. And such a huge community with incalculable influence will do everything in relation to this fraudulent service so that no one else uses it. By depriving us, honest and stagnant players of this forum - you will create chaos, in which many unscrupulous fraudulent and clonal bitcoin mixers will surface. And uninformed users will constantly come across these "bayonets". Fraud and irresponsible provision of such services will grow exponentially.

Our major predecessors, such as: Bitcoin Fog, Bitmixer, Bitblender, ChipMixer, Tornado cash and Sinbad, put a lot of effort into popularizing Bitcoin mixer services. And judging by the publicly available figures that appeared in the turnover of these services (billions of dollars), the market successfully accepted this. And this bitcoin mixer industry is now an integral part of our modern life in the crypto space.

We are well aware that the forum administrator may be scared due to the fact that this forum also promotes services that are more or less related to the darknet. But this does not mean that it is necessary to completely eradicate this segment from the crypto industry in this community right away.
You might as well ban casinos, KYC-free exchangers, decentralized exchanges, exchanges that also do not require KYC, and others... After all, they are all in demand among criminals, including.

Moreover, we believe that the imposition of sanctions on Sinbad by governments is a unique political case. Since there is a pattern in all those cases when the authorities resorted to the elimination of bitcoin mixers. This is the connection with North Korea:
Blender - was connected with North Korea.
Tornado cash - was connected with North Korea.
Sinbad - was connected with North Korea.

So we will venture to assume that the connection of the service with darknet sites is a secondary reason why the service will be sanctioned.


History is cyclical. If we leave the market (honest mixers who are responsible for their business, working tirelessly for many months, years, constantly improving) - irresponsible bitcoin mixers will come in our place, driven solely by a thirst for personal and short-term profit (yes, we are talking about fraud). Or about deliberate draining of confidential customer data, etc.

We promote and offer freedom to everyone. It is in the current realities and under certain circumstances: it is achieved precisely by gaining confidentiality.
Freedom is a value that allows anyone to freely express their thoughts and build their personal life at their discretion. It is the foundation for the development of society and ideas in general. But it also has another side of the coin, namely, its abuse for selfish purposes. But should we abandon such an ideology just because it has some side effect from time to time? Our opinion is no.

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Several trusted users of the forum recommended that we "repurpose" in order to avoid this ban. Our response:
No, we are not going to change anything related to the concept of our tool. [banned mixer] It was built the way it is. Under no circumstances will we change our vision and principles regarding this. After spending a lot of time on research and analysis, we came to the conclusion: that the concept of traditional (classical) mixing is the best of all existing ones. And we have described to you only a small part of why we think so.:

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Hi, thanks for the question.
1) We are the only ones in the industry whose service offers as many as 3 channels of secure external communication with our team.
2) Nothing prevents the user from creating a "secret chat" in telegram before contacting us directly, in which E2E encryption takes effect, which provides a high level of security. All information in such chats is encrypted on the sender's device and is only decrypted on the recipient's device. No one, not even the Telegram developers, has access to the content of the messages. + in addition, Telegram released an update on December 6, 2022, which made registration in the messenger available without a physical SIM card. (below we will provide a link to this update so that you and everyone can familiarize themselves with it more thoroughly.)
3) We have never encouraged users to contact us exclusively via Telegram. We only gave users a choice and that's all. We will be happy to give customers feedback as soon as possible on any of these three communication channels.

https://telegram.org/blog/ultimate-privacy-topics-2-0?setln=en

Well, there is a reason for this ban, the law enforcement agencies disrespected the admin by not notifying him first, they should'v asked him to announce the shut down since he is admin people would believe the news to be legit right away. So in response to such disrespect, now their honeypots have to leave this forum, and the LE will have no place to keep an eye on all mixers in one place.

Well, as Bitcoiners, we don't submit to such transgressions against our core leaders. Now this ban is a slap to the faces of rude LE agencies. This should be a good warning, we can make their jobs a nightmare for them, now let them go to several places to monitor mixers. Unless they come here and apologize for interrupting our lawful activities unannounced.     

Increased the range of delay selection. Was up to 120 hours (five days), became up to 168 hours (seven days).

Improvements to the service that will be implemented in the future:
· Design improvement
· Adding the "FAQ" section
· Adding a discount system for regular customers

Cool to see that you are working on the UI!

I don't see the FAQ on your homepage, could you please share the link?

Hi! As we wrote earlier, this is in development... We believe that we could already implement the FAQ section on our sites. But we want to release this together with other aspects of the update. Therefore, we ask you to have a little patience and wait. As it is, the FAQ is ready, and we are ready to share this section (so far in text format) with you. Please read it:

What is the minimum and maximum amount to mix?
- The minimum amount for performing the mixing service is: 0.001 BTC, and the maximum amount for today is 56 BTC. But the maximum value of 56 BTC may vary (downwards). This is because our system automatically displays to the client, who is on the payment page, the liquid amount available at the current time period. This may be due to the fact that, for example, [banned mixer] has successfully sent a transaction to the client, but has not yet received the change (by the phrase "did not receive the change" we meant an "unconfirmed" transaction. After all, even though the funds after the transfer are displayed in the final wallet instantly, yet without confirmation in the blockchain, these funds are "dummies" that cannot be used). As practice shows, this is quite a frequent phenomenon, since the turnover of transactions into and out of the mixer is quite frequent.

What is the difference between mixer fees?
- The higher you charge the mixer's commission for the service —> the stronger the anonymity of your funds at the exit will become, since higher commissions are less obvious for analysis based on a comparison of incoming and outgoing amounts. Based on this, we recommend that you pay higher commissions than the minimum ones. (This is just our recommendation, not a call to action.)

What happens if you send an amount below the minimum?
- Our service does not mix these funds. To resolve this problem, you must contact our technical support with a letter of guarantee attached to the request. Then we will manually take control of this situation and return the funds to the user.

What happens if I send an amount higher than the maximum?
- [banned mixer] will mix your funds anyway. If the amount is much higher than the maximum mixing limit, and the mixer will not be able to systematically mix such a number of coins, then we will also take control of this situation with our own hands, and return the funds back to the user.

How long does the incoming address remain active?
- 24 hours. After this time, the session is automatically reset.

I made a transaction in the 24-hour range, but received 3 confirmations after the 24-hour session, what will happen?
- The most important thing is to send the transaction within these 24 hours, and the rest of the work is already up to us. Since [banned mixer] instantly identifies the transfer and already systematically waits for 3 network confirmations in the Blockchain.

Do we keep logs?
- PureMixer stores all information about the order up to its successful completion/expiration date. This is necessary in order to help the user and resolve the situation in case of unpleasant situations caused by a system failure. Upon completion of the order - PureMixer instantly erases all user information. An exception may be if at this moment (at the time of successful completion of the order) a technical failure occurs on the servers, but after their restoration, any customer-identifying information is immediately deleted. (No service is immune from this.)
Note:
We store information about INCOMPLETE transactions for 168 hours to help users if necessary, and delete this information instantly after 168 hours. The service practices the absolute principle of no log.

what address formats does Puremixer support?
- [banned mixer] supports the following address formats:

P2PKH which begin with the number 1:
Example - 1Fh7ajXabJBpZPZw8bjD3QU4CuQ3pRty9u

P2SH type starting with the number 3:
Example - 3KF9nXowQ4asSGxRRzeiTpDjMuwM2nypAN

Bech32 type starting with bc1:
Example - bc1qf3uwcxaz779nxedw0wry89v9cjh9w2xylnmqc3

How long does the mixing process itself take?
- Upon reaching the 3 necessary confirmations, the mixing process itself is performed in the blockchain, it is performed almost instantly, within 1 minute. (if you didn't set any delay). The mixing process with a delay (for example + 2 hours) will look like this: 3 confirmations of your transaction in the blockchain —> 2 hours of delay + a few minutes of additional delay (random delta) to the main delay.

How many transactions can I send to the incoming address generated by the [banned mixer]?
- as indicated in our modal window that pops up before going to the payment page: "You cannot reuse the same current PureMixer bitcoin address. To re-deposit funds, you must wait until the end of the current service, and then create a new mix order."
To paraphrase: you can send only one transaction and no more!

Is there any way I can observe the mixing process?
- Log into your wallet from which you initiated the transfer to the service, find this very transaction sent to the mixer, then copy the hash of the transaction, the address of the mixer or the address from which you sent the funds, and paste it into the search bar of any blockchain explorer (for example, in Blockchair or Mempool) and monitor the process of your funds.

What is PureMixerCode?
- PureMixerCode is a mixing code that ensures that the funds you sent earlier will not be returned to you when you use the service again. You won't need it for the first mixing, but you will need it in subsequent ones. Therefore, we definitely recommend saving this code.

How many network confirmations does a Bitcoin mixer need to accept transactions?
- 3 confirmations of the blockchain network.

Can I use a website with a VPN?
- Yes, you can use PureMixer in conjunction with a VPN.

Why should I use bitcoin mixer? What do I need it for?
- In a world where more and more information is stored electronically and can be accessed at any time and from any place, the issue of protecting your own privacy is becoming increasingly important. But, unfortunately, as practice and statistics show, this is often used for selfish and malicious purposes. Such as:

1) Government surveillance for national security purposes. BUT they do not end there, which, in turn, respectively, results in abuse of power and excessive surveillance of every step of citizens.

2) Surveillance by large corporations in order to use a person's personal data for allegedly selecting suitable advertising and marketing.

3)  Surveillance and identity theft by cybercriminals for financial gain.

All this causes an irreparable blow and significant damage to the property and reputation of innocent people.

With such a tendency, people a priori will not be able to be sure that their actions and statements of any positions or thoughts about anything will not be prosecuted and suppressed by law enforcement agencies. What we, the operators of the bitcoin mixer "[banned mixer]", do not tolerate!

Thus, confidentiality is the right of every person to preserve their own personal boundaries. This is necessary to ensure freedom of speech and, in general, to live a life that the person himself prefers. Surveillance of citizens is a phenomenon that exists and threatens the privacy of every person and requires careful and careful regulation by the authorities and large companies. But the latter, unfortunately, on the contrary, only contribute to its aggravation, not regulation. PureMixer is here to take on this mission.

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1) Our servers are located outside the jurisdiction of the USA and most EU countries.

We have deployed servers in a territory that is outside the jurisdiction of the US government and most EU countries. Accordingly, they will not be able to get legitimate access to our servers by a court decision.

2) The principle of absolute "no log".

In view of the first point, it makes no sense for us to collect and store customer logs. Consequently: [banned mixer] adheres to the absolute principle of "no log" and all orders are erased instantly upon their successful completion/expiration.

3) Minimum availability of the JS code.

BUT. Our service does not use any third-party JS libraries from external resources —> therefore, our JS code is completely safe and does not pose any danger.

4) Our bitcoin mixer is made without the use of web frameworks and site builders.

Frameworks are often very large and contain a lot of functionality, and in our case most of it would be unused. Due to the size and amount of code, performance decreases, and also in such a large amount of code, especially if it is open source, vulnerabilities and errors can easily appear, which is completely unacceptable and which should not be allowed in any case. In addition, frameworks may not be flexible enough, which, in turn, may affect the speed of development and uniqueness of the product. As for the site builders, the sites assembled on the constructor eventually become heavy and have limited customization. Our service does not need a bunch of unnecessary useless animations that distract from the essence, because we are not making a Pinterest, but a working and unique tool.

5) Only encrypted channels for external secure communication with clients.

· Telegram ( secret chat ) - End-to-end encryption

· Session - End-to-end encryption

· ProtonMail - asymmetric encryption / + PGP = End-to-end encryption

6) We use encrypted disks.

We consider these very points listed above to be the foundation and foundation of confidentiality. These are the points that are vital for this kind of project. Since we believe that our commitment to a "strict privacy policy" is also compliance with "the rules of business hygiene" in the field in which we are located. :) What do you think about this? - share your opinions...

What does this mean exactly? I, for example, am outside most EU countries, simply because I can be inside only one country at a time. Does this mean your servers are located inside the jurisdiction of at least one EU country?

Yes it does I think.
At-least one server located in EU means it falls under EU jurisdiction. How about migrating in Switzerland LOL?

I believe they mean that their servers are outside of EU (not sure if by "EU" they implied "Europe" or "European Union") and in that part of the world where they are located, most of "EU" countries do not have jurisdiction. Not having jurisdiction there probably means that no European law coercion can be applied in the country where servers are located -- or most of European countries do not have legal treaties with that country.

Hi! - Our servers are not located in any EU country. BUT they may be under the jurisdiction of some (few) EU countries. That is why we wrote that "most" of the EU countries, not all.
The issue here is not geography per se, but of jurisprudence. Namely, in a friendly or unfriendly political relationship between the EU and the United States with the country in which we have deployed our servers. And the country where our servers are located is unfriendly to the EU and the USA.
Therefore: the US special services, together with the special services of some EU countries, will not be able to obtain a legal arrest warrant for our servers, since the local court (the court of the country where our servers are located) will not issue them an appropriate order due to international political disagreements/conflicts.
We hope that we have answered your question. ;)


That's right, thanks. :)

 A fair question, are you located in middle east? Is that why you chose  GB to advertise for you because nobody would suspect that he would actually promote a service from the middle east, such as Iran maybe? are you trying to take advantage of him? That's not right.

Why are you concerned about their location?

Do you want to give the Feds a head start on where to look, or perhaps you are one of the spies?  ;D
Since it's their money. You have no authority to question how they spend it.

I'm just an ordinary citizen of planet earth, that's all, however I have all the rights to question people's motives, and I don't need authority to protect forum members from possible future complications. Besides this thread was posted on 13th of April, it looks more like a joke than an actual mixing service to me. And they only are paying how many people exactly? The question is why GB and why now? If you want me to connect more dots for you, sorry you gotta use the brain, I can't always be the cry wolf.😉

I reckon you need to use your brain more than I need to use mine, that is, if you have any left. If you have your “grudges” with GB then head over to your usual den (the reputations board) and rant about it there and why you feel bad about him being hired by puremixer. Otherwise, puremixer is a business just like any other, and they have a right to advertise with anybody they want. I have a feeling you are salty because they didn't open a campaign thread where you would apply for a chance to munch some of their sats.

But in case you don't feel alright, here's a solution  :)

https://www.talkimg.com/images/2023/12/17/EKg1d.png

Hello there puremxi, do you offer referral commissions and if so, is there a special deal we could make?

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Ps, nice meme, BA.😉

I have a few questions for the OP:

1) Why should I choose your mixer over all others?
2) What is your turnover?
3) Do you have any API functions?

1) [banned mixer] has been on the market for 1 year. You can verify this here: https://t.me/PureMixerNews by scrolling through the channel to its very beginning.
And during this time, there was not a single victim or even a person who complained of insolvency or lack of competence. The service is fully optimized and works properly. Since we are constantly improving the product. A little over a month ago, we released a large-scale update that added and improved every technical aspect. Our product is equipped with the best features and specifications. And we will continue to observe innovations from analytical companies or blockchain explorers and take countermeasures.

2) [banned mixer] is published by various media:

TheBitcoinNews.com - [banned mixer] breaks Blockchain (https://thebitcoinnews.com/puremixer-io-breaks-the-blockchain/)
Cryptocreed.com - [banned mixer] opposes analytical companies (https://cryptocreed.com/puremixer-io-opposes-analytical-companies-with-bitcoin-mixer/)
MarketBusinessNews.com - The best bitcoin mixers in 2023 (https://marketbusinessnews.com/the-best-10-bitcoin-mixers-and-tumblers-in-2023/)
Cryptocreed.com - The best bitcoin mixers in 2023 (https://cryptocreed.com/best-bitcoin-mixer-list/)

3) Our structure is in no way related to CoinJoin technology. The service practices classical mixing, the main purpose of which is not to confuse, but to fully break the links between your transactions before and after mixing, thereby preventing further surveillance on the blockchain.

4) The service has a Strict Privacy Policy (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5448710.msg63320212#msg63320212).

5) Some of the lowest commissions.

6) We are the only representatives of the mixer in the market who are personally directly open to customers through anonymous messengers. (correct us if we are wrong)

7) We are the second Bitcoin mixer developers in the history of the industry to confirm the backup funds of the service. (correct us if we are wrong)


As for the turnover:
In view of recent events, such as the launch of a major service update, confirmation of reserves, liquidation of a major competitor and the beginning of the promotion of the project in the information field, our turnover has grown significantly and continues to grow rapidly. We will refrain from publishing specific turnover figures. Let's just say that the amount that we could not confirm due to the fact that it was mixed by users - at the moment, the service wraps this amount per day.


No, our service can only be used directly for security reasons. Because we can fully vouch for the security and guarantee it to you, but we will not be able to guarantee this if you transfer your data to third-party servers, since we do not control them.

Best Regards, PureMixer team BTC

I sent 10.6 bitcoins to puremixer
28 dec. 2023, 23:55 UTC and still haven't received my coins back, even though given the delay the order should have completed 5 hours ago. Support is not responding. Does anyone know what to do ??

Do you contact them through telegram?

through the mail

Do you have your letter of guarantee ?
Is your transaction confirmed ? Not still waiting in the mempool?

I sent them a message through their Telegram contact, asked them to check your message

Yes, i have the letter of guarantee. The transaction was confirmed, I followed up on it. It has 87 confirmations so far

Are you willing to share it with me to verify your claim? If you do, know that Cloudflare can read PMs (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2485318.msg25458974#msg25458974).

They were active today on the forum, I think you should have an answer soon, I hope. (active but before you posted your message)


Vouching for LoyceV, he's maybe the only forum user I would trust with my letter of guarantee

I verified the Letter of Guarantee. Niquoles's claim is correct: he sent 10.6 Bitcoins, and didn't receive anything in return.

Oh no...

I really hope that this is just a technical issue...

I wrote this (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=3547780) on April 15:
I wouldn't be surprised if $450k is a good amount to walk away with after creating a small website. Then just rinse and repeat.

PureMixer replied with the following message:


I hope that this problem can be resolved as soon as possible for Niquoles. I'm taking the liberty of sharing this message because it concerns Niquoles and contains nothing sensitive.

I assume you got a reply from the PM.
I am not sure why it is difficult for them to answer here publicly. It is not a small amount at all, now the holidays are coming, plus they will be excluded from this forum, I also see a serious problem here.

And I will leave them negative feedback until user Niquoles confirms that he got his coins back.

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theymos' decision will make it much more difficult to understand and resolve such cases.  :(

It was on Telegram.

Absolutely, I think these discussions will be redirected to altcoinstalk, but definitely the decision will hurt more the users than the mixers themselves.


I left a neutral, as long as they reply here or on Telegram I would not red them (I initally left a red, but as we can still hope that they are facing a technical issue... We will see)

I'll also keep an eye on the receiving address.

We're here. Don't panic. We are currently resolving the situation with the client.

Cool to see you online, waiting for further updates

We resolved the situation with the client and returned all his funds to him.

The reason for today's problem: a technical glitch that caused the suspension of transactions in our system. It's nothing serious. [banned mixer] still retains the title of the most anonymous bitcoin mixer in the industry. ;)

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The [banned mixer] team sincerely apologizes for the inconvenience and worries we have caused you. We will do everything in our power to minimize such problems in the future as much as possible.

We also want to note one point:
Since Niquoles had to "depersonalize" his address, we will provide him with free mixing.
We will also provide compensation to all injured customers who were affected by this trouble in the amount of $100 in pure bitcoins.

Sincerely, PureMixer teamBTC

Sounds very good.  :)

LoyceV, or Niquoles can you confirm that everything is ok now ? Is the receiving address now funded?

I got all my bitcoins back (minus the commission). Thank you to the PureMixer team for their honesty and to all the forum users who rresponded and helped to sort out this problem! Thank you!!

Great, happy for you and thanks for the confirmation!

I removed the tag left on OP account, as everything is fine now.

I'm glad that everything is resolved. I hope you will learn from this case, that it is really necessary to give direct statements about the problem, not to keep users in the dark. Doubts always appear there, and that is not what you want to have in your portfolio.

Niquoles sent 10.6 BTC (rounded for privacy) to address Sent. These funds originated from address Originated1, which had a round number as balance.
After posting here, Niquoles received 10.5 BTC (rounded for privacy) on address Received. Those funds originated from address Originated2.

Here's the kicker: Originated1 and Originated2 both came from the same address! I considered the possibility that Niquoles received Originated1 from OP's website earlier, but the site doesn't allow to set round output balances.

Here's what I think happened: OP owns account Niquoles and pretended to have a problem to look trustworthy after he "resolved" the "problem"! Who in their right mind would trust this website with $450k anyway?

What a convenient way to end your thread 2 days before it gets locked by Admin and all mixer owned accounts get banned from posting!

You're lying again. Addresses Sent and Received are linked on-chain.

I've created a type 1 Flag against OP. Please vote: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;flag=3264.

Your PR-department lacks technical skills. That also means you have no idea how to obtain on-chain privacy, which brings me back to what I posted in April:

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I've tagged OP with negative feedback (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=3547780).

The way the evidence has been presented it seems clear the OP has acted in a fraudulent manner. It would make interesting reading if they reply to your accusation but how are they supposed respond when the evidence is overwhelming?

If they created this fake issue to gain exposure in order to portray themselves as a trustworthy business, they have brought negative exposure therefore it has backfired. Even if they are/were trusted and had no intention to scam, they have ensured members from the forum will never trust them now.

You saw through our marketing ploy, confirming your importance as a trusted forum member. Our respect :). But you and other users, understand... The new conditions of the forum contributed to this cunning move on our part. Our competitors spent significant amounts per month on a subscription company, and we had such goals. But blocking branches devalues costs, and it was necessary to remain in history and raise coverage at the end of existence. An aggressive marketing strategy does not make our mixer fraudulent. Yes, this fact of staging for someone will mean stopping working with our service, but others will see this as a non-standard approach to solving the problem. It was just the "yellow press" and that was it. It is inherent in all businessmen, and we are no exception. This is not a scam and we are not scammers. This proves the fact that there is not a single victim.


Exactly!  ;)

All this proves is that your haven't had an opportunity to pull an exit scam yet.

every extraordinary action = fraud at once? who outlined such a template...
By this action, we only wanted to raise the turnover. And we consider this normal.

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We launched a major project update in November. We confirmed reserves of $2,300,000 + and used almost $1,000,000 for this "staging" to come out with what? =)

See:

That says a lot about you.

Umm... this is you confirming that you're astroturfing? You create a fake complaint by your own account to boost credibility from an impression that you're trustworthy enough to solve such big transaction in a very short time?

He has not exactly spelled it out or confirmed in so many words but that is effectively what the PureMixerio account seems to be stating. Somehow they have concluded that it is acceptable for them to fake a transaction that was not completed by a user that they controlled and they resolved the issue in what they portrayed in a satisfactory manner.

They are calling it a marketing ploy but seriously, it has backfired spectacularly.

Which user are you talking about?
It was just us. We didn't "control" anyone.

I am referring to the Niquoles account which was created and controlled by you. Correct me if I am wrong but that is the account you created to be used to fabricate the incident which you then resolved using the PureMixerio account. As far as publicity stunts are concerned, it seems this one really has not brought you the desired or anticipated effect.

Just tell us this, does the account Niquoles is yours or under your control, and the issue he raised is fake and was aimed purely to gain audience and boost their confidence in your platfrm because you "evidently" solve the case and refund the user's money promptly?

Edit: I think I was a bit sleepy when I wrote this, made two similar question in one post.

Yes, it is. But we can't understand why "in a very short time"? This kind of problem is solved very quickly when two parties (the operator and the client) have contacted each other. There's nothing here that could take a lot of time.  ;)

Quoted for prosperity, so fu*king lol, you even blink at the end like it's totally OK to deceive people in this way? You either don't understand what you are saying or you have gone nutz since this is the last day of your scammy service. Both deserve a lol at the same time. 😉

Just to give you one more chance to clarify, you openly acknowledge that you made a fake situation and complaint, you pretended to be a customer, made a complaint, and then you solve it easily, given there were no case at all? Do you even fully understand what you just admitted and the implication behind this marketing strategy?