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Title: Forum Menbership- 3.5m registered only 56k members survived?..... Why? Post by: Igebotz on May 21, 2023, 11:31:01 AM I'm curious about the forum's membership reduction and what can be to blame. A community with 3.5 million registered users has 2.7 million banned/nuked accounts, 700k accounts are dormant, and just 56k individuals have been active for the past three months. I did some analysis and there is a somewhat high chance that the forum will disappear before 2030 if the information on https://bpip.org/ is accurate. Since the forum is losing traffic each month, which is awful from a financial standpoint, I'm wondering what might be the issue.
https://talkimg.com/images/2023/05/21/Firefox_Screenshot_2023-05-21T10-50-08.578Z90d8e4d2020d9d50.png unfriendly environment for Newbies/users ? DT members oppression ? ( so much red than green these days) The merit system (high demands for quality) ? The moderation/rules ( using the ban button more often) ? Low Bitcoin adoption ? Lets Talk... 8) Title: Re: Forum Menbership- 3.5m registered only 56k members survived?..... Why? Post by: NeuroticFish on May 21, 2023, 11:54:27 AM What if it's not actually a "membership reduction"?
There are many use cases - from short time FUD or spam to one-time business, scams (including rinse and repeat strategies), multi-ing, ... name it - people would create just another account on the forum because, you know, it's for free. So imho the big and ever increasing number of dead accounts means absolutely nothing (and should be just ignored). Imho a proper way to quantify the things would be to see the evolution over time of the number of active accounts. Title: Re: Forum Menbership- 3.5m registered only 56k members survived?..... Why? Post by: UchihaSarada on May 21, 2023, 12:10:16 PM This forum is legend and if you want to find legendary Bitcoin users, find them here and learn from them.
If you want to find something funny but is not helpful for your knowledge, find them from Tiktok, Facebook, Twitter. Forum does not suspend or delete your account if you are inactive a few months like Twitter. This forum will not die just like Bitcoin will not die or disappear. It's my belief because search engines will give searchers Bitcointalk.org is a biggest forum, on top of their search results. Title: Re: Forum Menbership- 3.5m registered only 56k members survived?..... Why? Post by: Igebotz on May 21, 2023, 12:27:40 PM What if it's not actually a "membership reduction"? There are many use cases - from short time FUD or spam to one-time business, scams (including rinse and repeat strategies), multi-ing, ... name it - people would create just another account on the forum because, you know, it's for free. If someone controls 100 active accounts does it harm or contribute positively to the forum? So imho the big and ever increasing number of dead accounts means absolutely nothing (and should be just ignored). Imho a proper way to quantify the things would be to see the evolution over time of the number of active accounts. Over 700,000 accounts are dead or inactive, but it isn't the focus of my debate because those are older parts of the forum. Instead, I'm more interested in the 2.7 million banned accounts since that number is far too big to ignore. Could someone give us the stats of active users over the last five years so we can evaluate? Loycebot, DdmrDdmr ? This forum will not die just like Bitcoin will not die or disappear. It's my belief because search engines will give searchers Bitcointalk.org is a biggest forum, on top of their search results. Is it a good or bad business if you had 3.5 million but lost 2.7 million? (From a business standpoint) and won't you be attempting to figure out why and what needs to be done? no one is saying the forum is going to die but it mathematically possible IF the membership decrease continues over time.... Title: Re: Forum Menbership- 3.5m registered only 56k members survived?..... Why? Post by: Helena Yu on May 21, 2023, 12:37:39 PM unfriendly environment for Newbies/users ? 1. It's subjective, but as long as the newbie doesn't talk about shitcoin in strict moderated board e.g. Development & Technical Discussion, Bitcoin Technical Support and Meta, they wouldn't get criticism.DT members oppression ? ( so much red than green these days) The merit system (high demands for quality) ? The moderation/rules ( using the ban button more often) ? Low Bitcoin adoption ? 2. Red more than green was happen since long time ago, it was harsh than nowadays. If you're a spammer, exchange your merit with alt, ask no collateral loan, you obviously will get red tag. But now spam and exchange merit will not get red tag, some newbie didn't get red tag for ask no collateral loan. 3. Nope, more and more merit flowing is increasing. There's no merit deduction, theymos always distributing new sMerit to merit source. 4. Nope, there are many cases users are plagiarism and still not get banned. 5. People who interested with Bitcoin, don't need to join this forum to start his Bitcoin journey. I don't have data to back up my words, but I'm pretty sure the total number of high accounts were because of easy way to make money in bounties. People can join a bounty even the account is still a newbie rank. It's decreased because they can't make money without any effort. Title: Re: Forum Menbership- 3.5m registered only 56k members survived?..... Why? Post by: jokers10 on May 21, 2023, 12:37:56 PM It is natural for forums. You can't grow all the time. Besides that we can remember what was in pre merit times. When I came here already was a merit system but one line posters were still here (and old-timers said there were much more before that). Some can say that there were more users before, but it wat totally impossible to talk to anyone as any post went away pages ago immediatelly and all the pages were of one line posts. Now we have much less bots. Of course there still are some, but not as much.
Other reason is not a "low Bitcoin adoption", but its growing popularity. Time goes and there are more and more places you can talk about bitcoin and get some info about it. Different kind, different quality, but very many places. So Bitcointalk is competing for users attention with multiple other places. Of course if you want to get most professional info and to communicate with a big number of knowledgeable people you should come here, but there are many who is glad with much much less. And I guess when there will be next bull run there will be next surge of interest to Bitcointalk as well. ... Is it a good or bad business if you had 3.5 million but lost 2.7 million? (From a business standpoint) and won't you be attempting to figure out why and what needs to be done? no one is saying the forum is going to die but it mathematically possible IF the membership decrease continues over time.... You never had those 3.5 million. Majority of those who sign up forums post nothing, the next biggest part leaves 1 post once. And total minority leaves more messages. I saw many forums and it is a regular situation which doesn't mark a problem by itself. Title: Re: Forum Menbership- 3.5m registered only 56k members survived?..... Why? Post by: NeuroticFish on May 21, 2023, 12:41:02 PM If someone controls 100 active accounts does it harm or contribute positively to the forum? Imho it greatly deserves a ban on all of them :D I don't know though if there are such greatly extreme cases... Instead, I'm more interested in the 2.7 million banned accounts since that number is far too big to ignore. I agree, you may have a point here. I would however like first another opinion whether all of those 2.7 M are indeed banned. An extreme example is satoshi, archived, but because it's inactive for too long. Maybe (I don't know, I just hope) that huge number of archived accounts also contains long-inactive ones (i.e. abandoned, not banned). If you're right, then indeed, a discussion on those numbers may also be relevant. the next biggest part leaves 1 post once. And total minority leaves more messages. I saw many forums and it is a regular situation which doesn't mark a problem by itself. Well said. Title: Re: Forum Menbership- 3.5m registered only 56k members survived?..... Why? Post by: Upgrade00 on May 21, 2023, 12:44:36 PM unfriendly environment for Newbies/users ? • An unfriendly environment is the top reason for this that I've noticed. Newbies are reprimanded for not being very knowledgeable of forum issues, even though that's what's expected of newer members and if they do try to gain a bit of information before joining, they are suspected of being alts.DT members oppression ? ( so much red than green these days) The merit system (high demands for quality) ? The moderation/rules ( using the ban button more often) ? Low Bitcoin adoption ? • The merit system is also a barrier cause newer members see their time here to be unproductive as the bar for progress keeps getting higher, and the chances of your quality post being seen (outside certain boards) keeps dropping. There are fewer members sharing merits around these days. This issue could be helped with more merit sources being added to ensure quality posts gets rewarded. • DT oppression is relative and should not be much of an issue to newer members who have no reputation yet, except they planned to be scammers of trolls. Title: Re: Forum Menbership- 3.5m registered only 56k members survived?..... Why? Post by: robelneo on May 21, 2023, 12:50:58 PM I did some analysis and there is a somewhat high chance that the forum will disappear before 2030 if the information on https://bpip.org/ is accurate. Since the forum is losing traffic each month, which is awful from a financial standpoint, I'm wondering what might be the issue. Bitcointalk will not likely banish or disappear in your specified year unless Theymos pull the plug or unless Bitcoin goes to zero which is unlikely. With over 30k organic keywords that show up in the search engine Bitcoin and Bitcointalk will stay even if the last Bitcoin is mined and even if Theymos grandson inherits this forum, with many new discussions and threads added daily the organic traffic keeps coming. https://i.postimg.cc/RZrk0ypj/bitseo.png (https://postimages.org/)image uploader (https://postimages.org/) Title: Re: Forum Menbership- 3.5m registered only 56k members survived?..... Why? Post by: Synchronice on May 21, 2023, 12:56:13 PM I'm curious about the forum's membership reduction and what can be to blame. A community with 3.5 million registered users has 2.7 million banned/nuked accounts, 700k accounts are dormant, and just 56k individuals have been active for the past three months. I did some analysis and there is a somewhat high chance that the forum will disappear before 2030 if the information on https://bpip.org/ is accurate. Since the forum is losing traffic each month, which is awful from a financial standpoint, I'm wondering what might be the issue. DT members, merit system, moderation rules and bitcoin adoption has nothing to do with bitcointalk's popularity. This forum has the best rules, moderators, educated and professional users, etc but the problem is that forum has no clear goal, if any, and probably the owner has no motivation to do something with it, he just hosts it and that's all.https://talkimg.com/images/2023/05/21/Firefox_Screenshot_2023-05-21T10-50-08.578Z90d8e4d2020d9d50.png unfriendly environment for Newbies/users ? DT members oppression ? ( so much red than green these days) The merit system (high demands for quality) ? The moderation/rules ( using the ban button more often) ? Low Bitcoin adoption ? Lets Talk... 8) This forum doesn't meet the average standard that people expect. It has an old and outdated user interface, features, doesn't have a mobile application, epochtalk is abandoned. I think it's pretty clear why this forum loses people and it makes me really sad because I recently discovered this amazing forum with amazing history and amazing community and I don't wat to see it vanish. Title: Re: Forum Menbership- 3.5m registered only 56k members survived?..... Why? Post by: UchihaSarada on May 21, 2023, 12:56:32 PM Is it a good or bad business if you had 3.5 million but lost 2.7 million? (From a business standpoint) and won't you be attempting to figure out why and what needs to be done? Bitcointalk is not a business.Title: Re: Forum Menbership- 3.5m registered only 56k members survived?..... Why? Post by: jokers10 on May 21, 2023, 01:01:48 PM ... • The merit system is also a barrier cause newer members see their time here to be unproductive as the bar for progress keeps getting higher, and the chances of your quality post being seen (outside certain boards) keeps dropping. There are fewer members sharing merits around these days. This issue could be helped with more merit sources being added to ensure quality posts gets rewarded. ... I thought so previously also. I was new in here, it was not so easy to get merits and I decided too keep some smerits for the newbies like me to share. I've got not many but enough for my idea and spent lot of time searching for newbies with good posts which were not seen by senior users. And I didn't fount anyone. Since then I just share my smerits when I see something I think deserve it and don't try to find an overlooked newbie. If you see the one, you can say to some merit source, many of them will be happy to help a prospective newbie, or you can just give him merits by yourself. Title: Re: Forum Menbership- 3.5m registered only 56k members survived?..... Why? Post by: skarais on May 21, 2023, 01:03:17 PM I'm not sure about what the exact reason is, even when I created the same thread a few years ago on a local board. I was wondering why the number of forum users seemed to be shrinking from year to year, but it's clear that the reasons are sure to vary.
I'm trying to get some data on the number of active users for the last 4 months and 20 days (1 January - 20 May 2023) so that we know how many users are still using the forum and posting regularly or occasionally. There are still at least 21,288 active users posting at least 1 post in that time span, but this number will still increase or decrease for the rest of 2023. Source: https://ninjastic.space/search?after_date=2023-01-01T00%3A00%3A01&before_date=2023-05-20T23%3A59%3A59&child_boards=true Code: 1. ChartBuddy [3209] Title: Re: Forum Menbership- 3.5m registered only 56k members survived?..... Why? Post by: libert19 on May 21, 2023, 01:16:42 PM Title: Re: Forum Menbership- 3.5m registered only 56k members survived?..... Why? Post by: Fiatless on May 21, 2023, 01:30:07 PM ... • The merit system is also a barrier cause newer members see their time here to be unproductive as the bar for progress keeps getting higher, and the chances of your quality post being seen (outside certain boards) keeps dropping. There are fewer members sharing merits around these days. This issue could be helped with more merit sources being added to ensure quality posts gets rewarded. ... I thought so previously also. I was new in here, it was not so easy to get merits and I decided too keep some smerits for the newbies like me to share. I've got not many but enough for my idea and spent lot of time searching for newbies with good posts which were not seen by senior users. And I didn't fount anyone. Since then I just share my smerits when I see something I think deserve it and don't try to find an overlooked newbie. If you see the one, you can say to some merit source, many of them will be happy to help a prospective newbie, or you can just give him merits by yourself. If you are not patient enough to wait and learn about the operations of Bitcoin and the forum but expect to get merit just like that after a few posts, you might get discouraged. Some people also think the forum is like another social media platform so they want to post uncontrollably. When they are cautioned, they become offended and leave. One of the people I brought to the forum was angry that his post was deleted. Anyone that is not willing to learn and improve will not last here. I have also observed that patience, tolerance, and meekness are gradually disappearing among my peers. But it will also be good to see more merits on other boards because newbies need time to learn about the technical or more complex parts of Bitcoin. They shouldn't be expected to post like others. These newcomers also need to be encouraged because they think that merits are only given to higher members. Title: Re: Forum Menbership- 3.5m registered only 56k members survived?..... Why? Post by: skarais on May 21, 2023, 01:34:33 PM Lol, other people will say that too, but really they never know what tomorrow will bring.
You know, less than a month ago my colleague was diagnosed with liver cancer which required him to be treated intensively until now. He had to temporarily quit his job which he had no intention of quitting. His health condition forced him to stop working, so I think until that time comes I think every user will stop using this forum regularly regardless of the reason. May we all be given health and longevity to always do activities here until our fingers have to give up to be used to type every letter on the keyboard. Title: Re: Forum Menbership- 3.5m registered only 56k members survived?..... Why? Post by: Upgrade00 on May 21, 2023, 01:46:04 PM and spent lot of time searching for newbies with good posts which were not seen by senior users. You don't need to specifically look for newbies who don't get merits, those that do get merits should easily be able to get more.I also tend to drop my quality requirement as I go lower done the ranks, so a post by a newbie which I merit might not get any if it was posted by a senior or hero member. Simply making inquiries constructively and being consistent in replying to your thread responses is enough to get a merit for a newbie. Title: Re: Forum Menbership- 3.5m registered only 56k members survived?..... Why? Post by: Nwada001 on May 21, 2023, 01:47:41 PM I think one thing that's decreasing the number of active participants, which can actually be linked to spamming, is that since every account that is being created with or without a post is being accounted for, most of the recorded accounts out of the 3 million or more might actually be accounts that are linked to Ban Invader, which in one way or another might actually also get banned. This might also be the reason for the ban account to record higher than active accounts.
Most people actually lost interest in the forum because of intimidation and an unfriendly discussion environment. I can use myself as a living example. I created my account months ago without being active on it because of the fear of not getting banned or insulted by the superiors, but I came to realize that the forum was actually not the way I perceived it to be. Another reason I also assumed would be the cost of this is that people will create accounts that they don't have access to, and the limit on account creation based on location might actually tag the user with evil that he or she did not commit, which lots of people might not just pay for or have the idea that they could actually apply for a whitelist, which they will just continue trying till they get it right, which will increase the number of account creations on the forum. Is it a good or bad business if you had 3.5 million but lost 2.7 million? (From a business standpoint) and won't you be attempting to figure out why and what needs to be done? Bitcointalk is not a business.He never said Bitcointalk is an open business place, but it is. It's just an illustration that is used to describe the situation at hand on the forum Title: Re: Forum Menbership- 3.5m registered only 56k members survived?..... Why? Post by: TheUltraElite on May 21, 2023, 01:49:38 PM There had been a time when users made multiple accounts just to defraud giveaways and campaigns. Those farms of accounts were shut down by the actions of many members, you can assume every 1 person controlling 50 accounts, so that factors in a large number of account that could get shot down at once. They eventually come back as new users and new bitcoin addresses though.
Eventually this came to be known as "DT Oppression" which would be normal because this forum is similar to a democracy. Although at this point of the DT system, I think users agree that it is much more decentralized. Sockpuppet accounts have been created for many reasons as well. To bump own threads, sale trash others, fake reviews etc. Ban button? No, bans done here are in majority of the cases justified. May we all be given health and longevity to always do activities here until our fingers have to give up to be used to type every letter on the keyboard. Amen to that!I think if the KYC April Fool that theymos had used at one time became a reality, then the real number of users here would be much smaller. :D Title: Re: Forum Menbership- 3.5m registered only 56k members survived?..... Why? Post by: Coin_trader on May 21, 2023, 01:53:54 PM Probably due to the social media apps that let users connect and discuss freely in a quick way. Most people preferred convenience from social media which forum can’t offer such as group chat which is popular now due to the rising popularity of shitcoins among newbs investors.
Also the troll message is highly moderated here while most user in crypto interact that way. We categorized them as shit poster and set standards on posting which probably makes them leave. Wall Observer Thread is only free thread here which user can interact freely which shit post or trolls is allowed that will not gonna give a negative impact to reputation. In my humble opinion. Title: Re: Forum Menbership- 3.5m registered only 56k members survived?..... Why? Post by: Bureau on May 21, 2023, 02:00:02 PM Everyone knows those registered members are for Bounty campaign. Next are alt accounts of active members. There after are those like me who want to genuinely contribute to the development of Bitcointalk, last not certainly least bots!
What made you believe these are actual figures. Another reason would be that you are getting those figures from a third party website. Those are unrealistic numbers. Only the admin will have the correct data related to your query. Our admin has disabled (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5453518.0) a some of those detailed stats. The thing is that no one knows the original stats. What we see is something like what SEO based website show. Title: Re: Forum Menbership- 3.5m registered only 56k members survived?..... Why? Post by: jokers10 on May 21, 2023, 02:02:22 PM and spent lot of time searching for newbies with good posts which were not seen by senior users. You don't need to specifically look for newbies who don't get merits, those that do get merits should easily be able to get more.I also tend to drop my quality requirement as I go lower done the ranks, so a post by a newbie which I merit might not get any if it was posted by a senior or hero member. Simply making inquiries constructively and being consistent in replying to your thread responses is enough to get a merit for a newbie. It was long ago as you can guess. :) Since then I definitely gave first merits to newbies several times and of course even a good question sometimes is enough to give a merit to newbie. But if I wasn't first merit giver for them most of them would have got some from someone else. Because there are enough users who is glad to help newbies to start on the forum. What I say is that I don't see any big lack of merits for prospective newbies. If there are any who are overlooked we can just share our thoughts about it and usually they'll get some more merits very fast if they are really prospective and got not so many merits yet. There can be probably spent more merits on the forum but I'd not say that there is a problem that prospective newbies can't get their merits. Title: Re: Forum Menbership- 3.5m registered only 56k members survived?..... Why? Post by: Accardo on May 21, 2023, 02:07:06 PM Bitcointalk will not likely banish or disappear in your specified year unless Theymos pull the plug or unless Bitcoin goes to zero which is unlikely. With over 30k organic keywords that show up in the search engine Bitcoin and Bitcointalk will stay even if the last Bitcoin is mined and even if Theymos grandson inherits this forum, with many new discussions and threads added daily the organic traffic keeps coming. Considering the number of backlinks listed on google search engine, the forum will forever gain lots of monthly organic traffics, old threads of this forum are linked on top DA sites which helps the forum rank easily on google for any cryptocurrency related question. As for the decline of forum members they're two things to consider. First, lots of special interest board contributors declined on the internet, people moved to social media where they get almost every information they need. In those days, many people used forums to share information and answer each other's question, if you check the early threads in the forum it's quite very rich in quality and solves lots of problems. On the second flip, people farm accounts in the forum, and members are entitled to create multiple accounts. Hence, if 100k members creates 5 accounts each, it's about 500k accounts just an estimate, so don't conclude that 3.5m users joined the forum, consider the fact that most users had more than 1 account. Good observation. Title: Re: Forum Menbership- 3.5m registered only 56k members survived?..... Why? Post by: Asuspawer09 on May 21, 2023, 03:01:06 PM ... • The merit system is also a barrier cause newer members see their time here to be unproductive as the bar for progress keeps getting higher, and the chances of your quality post being seen (outside certain boards) keeps dropping. There are fewer members sharing merits around these days. This issue could be helped with more merit sources being added to ensure quality posts gets rewarded. ... I thought so previously also. I was new in here, it was not so easy to get merits and I decided too keep some smerits for the newbies like me to share. I've got not many but enough for my idea and spent lot of time searching for newbies with good posts which were not seen by senior users. And I didn't fount anyone. Since then I just share my smerits when I see something I think deserve it and don't try to find an overlooked newbie. If you see the one, you can say to some merit source, many of them will be happy to help a prospective newbie, or you can just give him merits by yourself. Would make sense it's not easy to be active here in the forum, especially with the merit system it surely affects a lot of members when it comes to being active. Just because it would take time to post and establish your profile or rank on the forum. It is difficult for sure to put a lot of time into the forum without getting something in return, I mean, to be honest, it's true, you wouldn't really waste your time to keep on making a useful posts here, you might just find a job that will actually pay you on your work. The forum is surely useful for some people that are new to Bitcoin or the Crypto world since it actually helps them ask some questions, share experiences, etc. but only to that extent, getting involved or committing to the forum is a different story, posting daily and ranking up to legendary is not easy. Most of the inactive members are the kind of people who just wanted to learn but don't really commit to the forum. We sure get a lot of newbies that are starting on crypto but just like what I've said maybe only a few of them will stay active and commit, but on the other hand some of the OGs sure are getting old, some are already inactive, and some of them have already died. With just a few people getting in and most of the active members already missing, were surely going to decrease our active members each year. Still, I don't think the forum is gonna die, I mean the creator of this forum makes it different from others, I don't believe decreasing members will be a problem since Bitcoin and cryptocurrency continue to adapt, I really think its a big factor because not all people are interested in Bitcoin or cryptocurrency. And campaigns, services, goods etc. surely help. Title: Re: Forum Menbership- 3.5m registered only 56k members survived?..... Why? Post by: DaveF on May 21, 2023, 03:46:27 PM I am going to have to go with more places to get info and for lack of better terms more 'specific' info.
Bringing it into the car world. There are a lot of Honda forums / places to talk about Honda cars in general. There are a lot fewer Honda Accord forums. There is only 1 that I know of and it's invite only for later model (9th, 10th, 11th) gen Accord Hybrids. This is a very general forum, so we have a lot of users registered who came and went. Had an issue, got it resolved and never came back. Same as the car forums. The people who stayed may also be on the late model Accord Hybrid forums. Same as here, I am on a couple of more hardware (non mining) tech discussions. But we don't really talk about everything else that we do here. Even a post like this would be purged. So the people who are here want to be here. The people looking to talk about a specific programming thing in core or some alt coin or some other thing might come here and stay, or they might come and then wind up on a much more detailed discussion. Another question, is how the number of users (active / registered banned / etc) here compares to another forum. -Dave Title: Re: Forum Menbership- 3.5m registered only 56k members survived?..... Why? Post by: Pmalek on May 21, 2023, 03:56:48 PM I don't think Bitcointalk or its members are doing something wrong that drives members away. it's just that the newer generations don't want to concentrate and spend time in these types of communities. Their Tik-Tok and Instagram brains are used to visual stimulus and short to the point content that doesn't last long. They aren't going to read through 100 posts of a thread spanning across multiple pages before replying.
unfriendly environment for Newbies/users? Sometimes it is, but I don't remember seeing anyone being treated unfairly that didn't deserve it or didn't do things to provoke such reactions.DT members oppression ? ( so much red than green these days) I doubt it. Honest users don't get painted in red.The merit system (high demands for quality) ? You don't need a high-ranked account to read, learn, and post about bitcoin. It's only important if you want to rank up to join quality signature campaigns. So if that's their goal and their only goal, then yeah, they need to show some quality. The moderation/rules ( using the ban button more often) ? I think that admins aren't banning users as quickly as they did in the past. Even plagiarism cases are sometimes forgiven. And I don't know any other community where you can scam, lie and steal, and still have a home there.Low Bitcoin adoption ? Better yet, Bitcointalk might be hard to find for users who never heard of the forum. It's again connected to the newer generations not being interested in this way of discussing and talking. So when they search for places to learn and talk about crypto, a forum might not be something that's on their mind.Title: Re: Forum Menbership- 3.5m registered only 56k members survived?..... Why? Post by: DdmrDdmr on May 21, 2023, 04:19:35 PM <...> Could someone give us the stats of active users over the last five years so we can evaluate? Loycebot, DdmrDdmr ? <...> I don’t really have any data on the number of active users, but playing around with the way back machine we can retrieve some historical snapshots based on BPIP’s Active Profiles counter:Code: Date ActiveUsers Diff 2019-11 - The data snapshots are sparse, and do not allow to perform a homogenous monthly tracking. It does provide however a rough evolution that I’ve tried to space out as even as possible. - 2021-04s reading is odd, and doesn’t seem coherent. I’d discard the reading. - The diff column is all in relation to the first data reading (not the prior one). - The descending trend pattern is clearly visible, and pretty steep in the course of just over three years (-59,56%). Roughly the last rolling year is down near to 25%. - BPIP’s definition of Active Profile is that of having logged-in within the past three months. It’s a very useful indicator to follow. - Ideally though, on a deeper level, we’d pull numbers from Ninjastic, broken down by number of posts (i.e. Heavy posters, Medium Posters, Lightweight posters), in order to see just how Active those members are. In order to do that, we’d need to count the number of distinct posters in a given window timeframe (i.e. 3 month periods) and categorize them according to the number of posts they made. We can't analyze the logged-in but not posted profiles nevertheless. On a side note, just to point out that I recall seeing thousands upon thousands of accounts that were created and just stayed there with no activity whatsoever, often seemingly created in batches (likely bot/experiment related). Those cases will represent a very significant chunk of the Archived Profiles counter (as per the "Inactive profiles that have no posts and no trust" part of its definition). Title: Re: Forum Menbership- 3.5m registered only 56k members survived?..... Why? Post by: Dr.Bitcoin_Strange on May 21, 2023, 04:44:29 PM Most of the ban accounts are probably affected by ban invasion, bounty cheating, signature cheating, and users that commit high levels of plagerism and some are also chronic shitposters.
unfriendly environment for Newbies/users ? DT members oppression ? ( so much red than green these days) The merit system (high demands for quality) ? The moderation/rules ( using the ban button more often) ? Low Bitcoin adoption ? Lets Talk... 8) Unfriendly environments can be one reason why most people who also create their accounts, after being active for some time, just lose interest and leave. That's because some high-ranking members respond so rudely and badly to them that they can get discouraged and leave. When I was still a newbie, someone gave me the advice below. Quote Oh, it helps if you have a thick skin and can shrug off vicious criticism/trolling/attacks without acting like a baby. Bitcointalk is one of the freest forums I've ever seen, so moderators aren't going to step in when someone calls you a bone-headed asshole. Not saying that's going to happen, but it could, so toughen up if you're not tough already. Some people are so fragile, and when they feel they are being intimidated, they will just leave. I was also criticized when I started in this forum, even to the extent that a legendary member made specific criticism of me. He said I was only showing some kind of newbie enthusiasm and that he knows it's not going to last for a very long time because he has seen people act in my manner in the past and that am just like them. He said more but I only remember the few I said. Honestly, I felt discouraged after reading it, but come on, I am not a baby, and I just felt less concerned about what he said because he has not seen it all; he just saw how active I was at my newbie level and made some false assumptions, but not every newbie was going to handle that criticism so well. Well, I think I have also had the drama of this merit issue, but come on, which member contributes positively to the forum and will not desire to receive merit for any post they feel is very quality? But when some memebers try to earn merit, some legendary memebers take it as begging and phishing for merit. Despite that, some people still put much effort into their posts, but they might not get lucky enough to be seen by any meritorious source. Red-tagging is also a reason why some people have abandoned their accounts, but I can't say it's really wrong to tag any account that deserve to be tagged. By doing so, it helps to prevent other members from being scammed by the tagged member. Just that accounts should be tagged with an appropriate reason. Title: Re: Forum Menbership- 3.5m registered only 56k members survived?..... Why? Post by: Mpamaegbu on May 21, 2023, 05:02:05 PM Lets Talk... 8) Generally, I think of two factors that could be responsible for what you've observed regarding the decline. The first you mentioned "unfriendly environment for Newbies/users?" is my pick. I've read posts from veterans who said they were leaving the forum for what they termed the unabated toxic nature of the forum.The second factor is the peak and off peak periods of Bitcoin circle. We tend to have more active users here whenever there's Bitcoin bull rally and vice versa. The excitement is often electrifying during bull period and we get to see many accounts come alive to make contributions and participate in signature campaigns. There's proliferation of signature campaigns around this period as many new projects tend to spring up, both scam and genuine ones. Going forward, I think the numbers will be better next year as we get into the bull season. Title: Re: Forum Menbership- 3.5m registered only 56k members survived?..... Why? Post by: KingsDen on May 21, 2023, 06:24:34 PM I'm curious about the forum's membership reduction and what can be to blame. A community with 3.5 million registered users has 2.7 million banned/nuked accounts, 700k accounts are dormant, and just 56k individuals have been active for the past three months. I acknowledge that is place is not a forum that you can get flowing immediately you join. There is a standard (high), which if you cannot meet, you would be forced out and that is why honest learners and those with knowledge of bitcoin are people that tends to survive here on a long run. 2.7 million banned/nuked accounts should not be taken serious. Just go to the bounty section and see where one user will create 20 accounts and when the likes of Lovesmayfamilis burst them, the 20 accounts may likely be banned and the same person will in the next day create another 20 accounts to continue hunting and cheating. That is how the number grow. I did some analysis and there is a somewhat high chance that the forum will disappear before 2030 if the information on https://bpip.org/ is accurate. Since the forum is losing traffic each month, which is awful from a financial standpoint, I'm wondering what might be the issue. This forum goes no where till the last bitcoin is mined ;D Infact, it goes no where till bitcoin disappears. This is because I believe here will in the future be like a bitcoin meusem or something like that. Maybe in the future, this forum would be managed in a decentralized manner. But for now, as long as theymos is willing to pay for and maintain the domain, bitcointalk.org is lasting as long as bitcoin will last. Title: Re: Forum Menbership- 3.5m registered only 56k members survived?..... Why? Post by: Adbitco on May 21, 2023, 07:04:55 PM unfriendly environment for Newbies/users ? This is another major factor that are affecting people here most especially the newbies, they might thought here is a free to use platforms just as other social media platforms. Eg, FB twt and IG, TTK, unfortunately for them this forum doesn't work that way where they could spam and post all sorts of nonsense post. As a matter of fact it is a place for study and not for cruise like other app. Quote [DT members oppression ? ( so much red than green these days) Usually the rate at which they tag account are too alarming forgotten that is a blockchain and all transactions are interconnected by one way or the other. Quote The merit system (high demands for quality) ? For this, I think it's to entirely keep forum clean from spammers and shitposters. Although if I were to be Theymos I don't mind releasing them once in a year. That is to say, any account that is actively posting either after completing one year here they should be automatically promoted to the next rank given due merits according to their activity and post, with this forum could be more friendly because there's always a merry point. Then for account not active for about 8 years or 10 years those accounts could be returned to zero merits until they start being active after 1 to 2 years they gain back their previous position. For ban account, their merits should be removed and returned back to newbies, maybe if they owner come for appeal and they noticed such person could be considered to retrieve back the account then Theymos restore back their position but for those accounts that has no chance for appeal should be finally returned to newbies and this steps will totally eliminate account sales or hack account. With this steps I believe the forum will be more attractive imo. Quote The moderation/rules ( using the ban button more often) ? This is not a case to me at all, ban is a usual thing if account violate the rules or didn't comply with the sets of instructions give, I believe every board here have some sets of rules before posting. Quote Low Bitcoin adoption ? I don't think this really matters a lot over the forum, there are some people who knew about bitcoin but doesn't know about this forum and there were people who came to this forum through their friends or relatives. Normally here is community so not every one that must know about this forum, bitcoin adoption must not come only from this forum but also from other social media platforms.Quote Lets Talk... 8) The above reply are just my little point of view, although I don't know if someone else already outline them.Title: Re: Forum Menbership- 3.5m registered only 56k members survived?..... Why? Post by: BitcoinGirl.Club on May 21, 2023, 08:03:22 PM Since the forum is losing traffic each month, which is awful from a financial standpoint I don't think the forum has any intention to generate money. It's obvious from the steps theymos has taken with not auctioning the ad space.Quote unfriendly environment for Newbies/users ? This is a key reason in my opinion. Unfriendly environment does not mean newbie jail like time delay between posting or not able to post image. There are a group of people who are actively insulting newbies when they find they are making simple mistakes, leaving insulting neutral feedback even tagging them without a concrete evidence of they scammed. So many people like to think they are some type of authority figure to the forum and it's their ground to correct others. Genuine newbies are losing interest. We are only seeing alt accounts who have good understanding about the forum, they are building up their accounts. May be signature campaign is their only motivation except few exceptionals. Title: Re: Forum Menbership- 3.5m registered only 56k members survived?..... Why? Post by: CryptoHeadlineNews on May 21, 2023, 08:28:16 PM A community with 3.5 million registered users has 2.7 million banned/nuked accounts, 700k accounts are dormant, and just 56k individuals have been active for the past three months. But it's sad that of the 56k individuals claimed to have been active on this forum for the past 3 months now, that tool couldn't differentiate bounty hunters and members who post valuable quality contents daily on the forum, which is very much important. So in regards to the statement made by O.P about how this forum is likely to fade away before 2030 as a result of the recent increase in dormant and inactive account, I was able to make some research and I got to notice that for the past 3 months this forum have been said to have at least 1million+ monthly visits, which is quite not bad for it's sustainability as you can see below.That is; In the month of February, the forum got over 1.3million visits While in March, the forum got 1.1million visits And in April, the forum got 1.3million visits So in this May, we should be expecting nothing less than a million visits. https://imgvb.com/images/2023/05/22/63173173c3929fcdf985360c3428c815.jpg (https://imgvb.com/image/EMuHV) Tool: Semrush.com Title: Re: Forum Menbership- 3.5m registered only 56k members survived?..... Why? Post by: _BlackStar on May 21, 2023, 09:08:23 PM Every user will definitely give a variety of answers, especially for those who are affected. They will surely vote intimidation from DT members as the reason why they left the forum. I'm not really sure if they would say that honestly, but there are quite a few users who have voted for that category in the poll.
Apart from that I think that the bitcoin price will also have an impact on user activity. Bitcoin has lost a lot of value since bitcoin hit ATH $69k, so this seems to be another reason why some of the forum users have been inactive so far. I will definitely see the user base increase when bitcoin is more bullish than it is now. Title: Re: Forum Menbership- 3.5m registered only 56k members survived?..... Why? Post by: coin-investor on May 21, 2023, 09:30:13 PM I did some analysis and there is a somewhat high chance that the forum will disappear before 2030 Your analysis is not accurate Bitcoin adoption will sustain Bitcointalk in terms of organic traffic and I don't think people will just lose interest in discussing Bitcoin and I don't think businesses and platforms related to Bitcoin and Cryptocurrency will just leave Bitcoin for unknown reasons, there are many factors that contributed why some of the accounts are not active anymore, and some of the points that you laid out are all true but if you notice the other reason is getting a lot of supports. They may not be active users of the forum anymore but they know Bitcointalk and use it as a guest it is not the number of memberships but the traffic flow coming from keywords Bitcointalk build up over the years, that will sustain Bitcointalk. Title: Re: Forum Menbership- 3.5m registered only 56k members survived?..... Why? Post by: CryptopreneurBrainboss on May 21, 2023, 10:26:33 PM I'm curious about the forum's membership reduction and what can be to blame. A community with 3.5 million registered users has 2.7 million banned/nuked accounts, 700k accounts are dormant, and just 56k individuals have been active for the past three months. You shouldn't be worried Igebotz, we were in the bear market and just recovering from it. The forum isn't the only cryptocurrency related platform or business (as you call it) that has been affected during this period. We have seen reduction in trading volumes on exchanges and account creation, the activities this period are always at the minimum and that's because people are taking a break from the market as things aren't always exciting this period so I believe we have those staying away from the forum as well. People use the forum for information gathering on their favorite projects and since their isn't much going on at the moment, they're not logging it. The forum has become more accommodating than it usually was when the likes of Lauda and her gangs were giving newbies a nightmare. The DT system is more friendly now as minor things that would had easily gotten your account red trusted are now been overlooked. If the merit system chased away spammers then it has achieved the purpose behind its creation so that shouldn't be a reason. If spammers are the ones to make the forum active, we don't need them. Let the forum stay boring instead of to bring them back. Earning of merits is very easy now with all the giveaway threads available so that shouldn't be a reason as well. I just think the reduction in activity is as a result of the bear market effect. Title: Re: Forum Menbership- 3.5m registered only 56k members survived?..... Why? Post by: yahoo62278 on May 21, 2023, 10:27:53 PM I'm curious about the forum's membership reduction and what can be to blame. A community with 3.5 million registered users has 2.7 million banned/nuked accounts, 700k accounts are dormant, and just 56k individuals have been active for the past three months. I did some analysis and there is a somewhat high chance that the forum will disappear before 2030 if the information on https://bpip.org/ is accurate. Since the forum is losing traffic each month, which is awful from a financial standpoint, I'm wondering what might be the issue. https://talkimg.com/images/2023/05/21/Firefox_Screenshot_2023-05-21T10-50-08.578Z90d8e4d2020d9d50.png unfriendly environment for Newbies/users ? DT members oppression ? ( so much red than green these days) The merit system (high demands for quality) ? The moderation/rules ( using the ban button more often) ? Low Bitcoin adoption ? Lets Talk... 8) The forum really is friendly to most users unless a newbie is perceived as trying to scam. I don't think people wake up looking to crucify a newbie, but they do look to protect the forum. DT can be stubborn with their tags. Doesn't mean they cannot be shown evidence of something and change their minds. The merit system isn't perfect but what is? It's not meant to hinder a user from growing, it's just a tool to try and improve quality. Whether you earn a ton of merits or not, it does not hinder you from using the forum. Only from ranking up quickly. Moderators aren't just banning for fun. They get reports and take action. Simple as that. If you aren't messing around plagiarizing, scamming, or spamming you probably will not find yourself banned. Just follow the rules. People also die. There are many users not in the greatest health. Who knows how old some users were when they created their accounts and what sort of medical conditions they faced. Then you have the people who made accounts to use for their farms and creating the buying and selling accounts market. That's probably where a lot of the dormant accounts come from. Title: Re: Forum Menbership- 3.5m registered only 56k members survived?..... Why? Post by: BlackBoss_ on May 22, 2023, 03:21:47 AM I don’t really have any data on the number of active users, but playing around with the way back machine we can retrieve some historical snapshots based on BPIP’s Active Profiles counter: Is the number for 2021-04 is not correct and you discard it?Code: Date ActiveUsers Diff 2019-11 - The data snapshots are sparse, and do not allow to perform a homogenous monthly tracking. It does provide however a rough evolution that I’ve tried to space out as even as possible. - 2021-04s reading is odd, and doesn’t seem coherent. I’d discard the reading Or it is a correct number but only unexplained by what happened on forum in April 2021? 2021 is a bull market after 2020 halving and the forum could possibly have more new users and more active users than in previous years with bear market. Title: Re: Forum Menbership- 3.5m registered only 56k members survived?..... Why? Post by: Mpamaegbu on May 22, 2023, 07:54:09 AM I acknowledge that is place is not a forum that you can get flowing immediately you join. To be honesty, I think this forum is more friendly to navigate than most crypto fora I've come into contact with. The only thing that should be confusing will be the boards and their areas of discussions which are mostly technical. As someone who had zero knowledge of Bitcoin coming to this forum, one is bound to be lost a few times around subject matters. What I did when I came here was to start with Off Topic and Politics boards to further arouse my interest and that kept me posting while reading about Bitcoin to get myself abreast it. It's the same thing I advise those I bring to the forum or newbies with zero Bitcoin knowledge to do.Quote This forum goes no where till the last bitcoin is mined ;D Hopefully our wishes stay that way. However, we can't be too sure as unfolding events may suggest otherwise especially with government anti-Bitcoin policies or allegations of criminality against projects advertised here like the case of CM. That could (in my thinking though) cause trouble for the forum too.Infact, it goes no where till bitcoin disappears. The forum has become more accommodating than it usually was when the likes of Lauda and her gangs were giving newbies a nightmare. The DT system is more friendly now as minor things that would had easily gotten your account red trusted are now been overlooked. Yes, you're right. I remember that era too. Compared to what we've now we can say now is more accommodating. Most of the OGs in DT then have relaxed their rods and I think it's to the benefit of this forum. Even now, any DT on loose will have other DT members who will call them to order if they overstepped their limit.Title: Re: Forum Menbership- 3.5m registered only 56k members survived?..... Why? Post by: ScamViruS on May 22, 2023, 09:00:33 AM unfriendly environment for Newbies/users ? DT members oppression ? ( so much red than green these days) This is a much bigger reason. Low rank users are still treated badly in this forum if they make any mistake even if it is not a big mistake. But not all newbies come to forums with good intentions, some newbies do activities that make the community think wrong about newbies. This forum is a place of education, if someone does shitpost, illegal work, he should face ban, tag and get out of the forum. But I think DT is more flexible now than before when it comes to giving tags, and that is evident by reviewing the tags given by DT members. And the tags given by DT members are not given without evidence, they are given based on proper evidence. When I joined this forum, tagging was a lot more than it is now. So hopefully in the coming days this forum will be more friendly for newbies and the number of users will continue to increase not decrease. :) Title: Re: Forum Menbership- 3.5m registered only 56k members survived?..... Why? Post by: Dunamisx on May 22, 2023, 09:39:34 AM I'm curious about the forum's membership reduction and what can be to blame. A community with 3.5 million registered users has 2.7 million banned/nuked accounts, 700k accounts are dormant, and just 56k individuals have been active for the past three months. If we are to analyze it all there could be many reasons attributed to why this figures come to be, consider that the forum is such a platform that you can have a brief view on being a guest but the only restriction is that you can't post unless you're registered, out of the numbers that registered, many are spammer, scammers, trollers or any form or unserious category they could fit in, they would have registered to later discover the forum not to be as they have expected. This is the main reasons some are leaving or getting banned, the forum is not like the social media they have freedom to misbehave, it not where they can plagiarize, neither are they permitted to make ponzi-like schemes on the forum, they never even thought about bitcointalk being regulated and moderated, so they will definitely leave for somewhere else, this is why the forum still maintain it's standard and reputation, the are to bed to the rules of the forum and not the forum to their own taste as they wish. unfriendly environment for Newbies/users ? No, the newbies are coming onboard each day and are progressing doing well as long as you can adhere strictly to the rules, you can check out on the low ranking statistics from here from LoyceV The future of Bitcointalk: Low Ranking Top Merit earners in the past 30 days (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5185736.0) DT members oppression ? ( so much red than green these days) That's not even a threat at all because most of the new members aren't yet familiar with DT or what it even means. The merit system (high demands for quality) A little part of this may contribute to the statistics when they discovered that getting merits is not by default but needs to be earned, they may not have that skill, time or knowledge and sacrifice to give in other for them to earn merit over time. The moderation/rules ( using the ban button more often) ? this is the highest portion of the forum threat to many people who cannot be law abiding or behalf in an unregulated manners and wouldn't want to be corrected, warned or restricted in doing some particular things. Low Bitcoin adoption ? bitcoin adoption is increasing everyday and the more are people putting interest on learning about bitcoin everywhere, but when they get to the forum like this, it appears to them that they meet the whole thing entirely different from the perspective of how how they're viewing ot before coming. Title: Re: Forum Menbership- 3.5m registered only 56k members survived?..... Why? Post by: Hispo on May 22, 2023, 10:15:27 AM My first assumption would be that people come and go with the bullruns and the huge altseasons, they sign up to talk about speculation and then never log in again, once the prices tremendously fall beyond expectation. It is something usual with shitcoins, as we all know.
On the other hand, I doubt the forum could disappear by 2030. Even with low traffic, still there will be people and users around here participating and providing quality commentary, because the administration has enough resources for forum maintenance. We may become a smaller tree house club, but we will continue to be a comfortable one. :) Title: Re: Forum Menbership- 3.5m registered only 56k members survived?..... Why? Post by: Lucius on May 22, 2023, 10:52:50 AM I'm curious about the forum's membership reduction and what can be to blame. A community with 3.5 million registered users has 2.7 million banned/nuked accounts, 700k accounts are dormant, and just 56k individuals have been active for the past three months. I would never look at these numbers as something important, because as others have already written, it is not about unique users, but about numbers that largely result from the fact that many have created tens or even hundreds of btt accounts and then they abuse various signature/bounty campaigns. Many of these members tried to rank those accounts in such a way that they plagiarized everything that could be plagiarized, and then someone started a bot that did a big cleanup and a huge number of btt accounts were banned in a very short time. After 2018 and the merit system, many people gave up on creating btt farm accounts, and more or less all the shitposters gave up on the forum because they no longer had the financial motivation to be here. In essence, those 56k btt accounts you mention are quite a realistic number for one forum, considering that forums are not something that attracts new generations. Title: Re: Forum Menbership- 3.5m registered only 56k members survived?..... Why? Post by: LoyceV on May 22, 2023, 11:05:57 AM users has 2.7 million banned/nuked accounts I don't think those accounts (as counted by BPIP) are all banned, they could just have never created a post. And many are proxy banned because they're created by spammers from an evil IP. Not all bans are a bad thing ;)Since I started keeping track 4 years ago (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5092983.0), 316k users have been banned. Quote just 56k individuals have been active for the past three months. You could go a step further and exclude bounty spammers, which includes many people who use many accounts.Quote I did some analysis and there is a somewhat high chance that the forum will disappear before 2030 if the information on https://bpip.org/ is accurate. Since the forum is losing traffic each month, which is awful from a financial standpoint, I'm wondering what might be the issue. The forum doesn't (need to) earn from traffic.Quote unfriendly environment for Newbies/users ? Definitely! Bitcointalk is scary and unfriendly for many Newbies users. I've said it before: long-term, Bitcointalk can't survive without new users.Quote DT members oppression ? ( so much red than green these days) Probably. I'd like to see less negative and more neutral tags in many cases.Quote The merit system (high demands for quality) ? I don't think so. Any normal forum user who's not just here for quick money shouldn't really be limited by the Merit system. Besides, when the Merit system was introduced, there were many more posts while less Merit was distributed each week. Without looking up the data, I estimate the Merit-to-post-ratio went up by close to a factor 10.Quote The moderation/rules ( using the ban button more often) ? Again: normal users barely get banned, and if it happens accidentally (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5316405.0), it gets resolved quickly (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5369632.0) after pointing it out.An unfriendly environment is the top reason for this that I've noticed. Newbies are reprimanded for not being very knowledgeable of forum issues, even though that's what's expected of newer members and if they do try to gain a bit of information before joining, they are suspected of being alts. Lol. One way or another, (most) Newbies aren't welcomed. Luckily, there are some exceptions (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5185736.msg62271284#msg62271284).Quote Low Bitcoin adoption ? More likely: the social media generation doesn't like forums anymore, where there's no algorithm (designed to keep them hooked as long as possible) that decides what they read.Title: Re: Forum Menbership- 3.5m registered only 56k members survived?..... Why? Post by: fillippone on May 22, 2023, 01:39:42 PM I wasn’t particularly aware of the forum user base reduction, and thank you, OP, for this analysis, even if I am not sure it’s fully reliable.
Of course, user base reduction is easy to guess. It’s in human nature to get bored of things, and for sure, posting on a forum is one of those activities one can get bored of. I guess it’s pretty natural for users to stop logging in to the forum, and this is even more true for “historical users” who probably got into Bitcoin in the early days. Posting on an internet forum can be perceived as a dull activity when life can move on on the back of the intergenerational wealth accumulated in those early years. So no wonder there are many early, inactive users. I have been looking into this as I am on the brink of entering the top 1000 users regarding activity. I am currently slowly grinding activity surpassing long inactive users. On the other hand, I have been shilling the forum to new users. Who, in theory, should replenish the inactive users in the big life cycle of events. I have been quite unsuccessful in this task for a series of reasons:
On the Italian board, we have been playing with telegram channels, with @mendace and @babo, trying to mimic the forum threads and merit system. The results have been good, a few users registered and posted a few messages on the forum, but retention has also been difficult. Title: Re: Forum Menbership- 3.5m registered only 56k members survived?..... Why? Post by: Halab on May 22, 2023, 02:51:00 PM Oh boy. That's what I thought when I read the first lines of your topic.
A community with 3.5 million registered users has 2.7 million banned/nuked accounts, 700k accounts are dormant, and just 56k individuals have been active for the past three months. LoyceV beat me to it, but there are not 2.7M banned or nuked accounts. Archived is a term used by BPIP to say inactive for more than 90 days.If I take random accounts from this BPIP page: https://bpip.org/metalog.aspx?d=2023-05-22 RoadSideRomiyo (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=RoadSideRomiyo) is archived on BPIP, but I can guarantee you that he is not banned. nemec (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=nemec) is archived on BPIP, but I can guarantee you that he is not banned. mertcanidig (https://bpip.org/Profile?p=mertcanidig) is archived on BPIP, but I can guarantee you that he is not banned. And so on... Quote I did some analysis and there is a somewhat high chance that the forum will disappear before 2030 if the information on https://bpip.org/ is accurate. You give a fairly precise date, it would have been nice to give the details.I hope you didn't draw a line from 3 points like the person who predicted that Bitcoin would consume all the electricity in the world by 2020. If you want to take a bet whether or not this forum will still be online at the end of 2030, I'm open :). Quote Since the forum is losing traffic each month, which is awful from a financial standpoint Theymos doesn't care about the financial standpoint. So much so that he cancelled the bidding for ads.Oh, you were thinking from your financial standpoint ? Quote I'm curious about the forum's membership reduction and what can be to blame. I answered 'Others' in your poll and I will clarify by trying to generalize : human stupidity/cupidity are the causes of all this.[...] unfriendly environment for Newbies/users ? DT members oppression ? ( so much red than green these days) The merit system (high demands for quality) ? The moderation/rules ( using the ban button more often) ? Low Bitcoin adoption ? Lets Talk... 8) The question of why there are so few active accounts is a good one. But there are another questions : why are there so many inactive/banned accounts ? Why such a big difference ? The first point is not to underestimate the number of multi-accounts. It's a national sport here. Many people have realized that they can easily make money with an account on a forum. Why not make 2 accounts, then 3... 5, 10... 100... It worked for airdrops where you had to leave an address in a topic, or twitbook campaigns where everything was easy. Now, there are no more airdrops or campaigns like that, or it doesn't pay any more. Thousands of accounts have been orphaned. And yet Timelord's topic is still updated every day. Multi-accounting still exists and sometimes large farms of accounts are found. But it's the stupidest or laziest ones who get caught. There are probably some smarter ones who continue to do multi-accounts, but they end up stopping because of the amount of useless tokens they collect. Human cupidity. And we can also count on the maliciousness of some who want to abuse others (malware, phishing, etc...). Some have reached an industrial level by using hundreds... thousands of hacked or recently created accounts. It ended up in a war between bots, I don't have the numbers but Mindless Electron (Mitchell's bot) must be the account that banned the most people on this forum. Human stupidity. And I remember when I was a newbie, I was young, pure and innocent (I didn't know what a signature campaign was). And my research on Bitcoin often brought me to Bitcointalk, and sometimes to the English section. I clicked on a topic that seemed interesting, the first answers were interesting, then there was an answer that repeated the same thing, then another and another one. I remember thinking what the fuck is this ? A parrots forum ? Before accusing the mods, the DTs, merit, or seeing the straw in the neighbor's eye, look at the beam in your own eye. Do you think a beginner in cryptos wants to read the tons of shitposts that are dumped daily ? Whether this forum has a phone version or not. Whether this forum has notifications or not... I'm ready to get on the first plane and go suck the dick of the first CM (this is not a promise, it's just a way of speaking :)) who adds this rule: "if your post doesn't add anything to what has already been said in the topic, it wille not be counted." I don’t really have any data on the number of active users, but playing around with the way back machine we can retrieve some historical snapshots based on BPIP’s Active Profiles counter: Is the number for 2021-04 is not correct and you discard it?Code: Date ActiveUsers Diff 2019-11 - 2021-04s reading is odd, and doesn’t seem coherent. I’d discard the reading Or it is a correct number but only unexplained by what happened on forum in April 2021? 2021 is a bull market after 2020 halving and the forum could possibly have more new users and more active users than in previous years with bear market. Human stupidity. Title: Re: Forum Menbership- 3.5m registered only 56k members survived?..... Why? Post by: Majestic-milf on May 22, 2023, 06:03:03 PM Most people come into the forum with the sole aim of making money out of bounty campaigns and as that's the only motivation, care for nothing else but to make sure they get the needed merits. Once this doesn't go according to plan, they lose interest. It becomes a passing fancy.
Secondly, some leave as a result of not having to ability to stand criticism (both constructive and destructive). I think the forum is better off without spammers, scammers and the like, and if these are what sum up that number, then it's better for it be reduced. Title: Re: Forum Menbership- 3.5m registered only 56k members survived?..... Why? Post by: Igebotz on May 22, 2023, 06:46:37 PM users has 2.7 million banned/nuked accounts I don't think those accounts (as counted by BPIP) are all banned, they could just have never created a post. And many are proxy banned because they're created by spammers from an evil IP. Not all bans are a bad thing ;)Since I started keeping track 4 years ago (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5092983.0), 316k users have been banned. Is it possible to separate IP bans and accounts with no posts from the 2.7 million? When I think about it, it's still an insane number to ignore. 316k over the last 4 years is still an enormous sum, and if we drill down to from the forum's creation it may be about a million members, which is not far from the number in the OP. Quote Definitely! Bitcointalk is scary and unfriendly for many Newbies users. I've said it before: long-term, Bitcointalk can't survive without new users. How do we convince these bullies that being thick skinned isn't enough and that these newbies deserve a break? The high level of bullying on the B & H is concerning. Sometimes you'll see high rank users with tonnes of merits putting pressure on a newbie simply because he got 1 merit from a friend. lol Quote Probably. I'd like to see less negative and more neutral tags in many cases. The more red on the street, the lower the value - this will happen sooner or later, and we won't be able to tell the difference between scammers and shitposters because both are wearing red. You give a fairly precise date, it would have been nice to give the details. I'm not sure how old you are, but I'm guessing that by 2030, we/the most active users will be gone, and the forum will be run by our generational newbies. 2030 is SEVEN years away. Death, jail terms, life could happen to any of us. I hope you didn't draw a line from 3 points like the person who predicted that Bitcoin would consume all the electricity in the world by 2020. If you want to take a bet whether or not this forum will still be online at the end of 2030, I'm open :). Quote Theymos doesn't care about the financial standpoint. So much so that he cancelled the bidding for ads. Oh, you were thinking from your financial standpoint ? From both neutral and financial standpoint ;) I wasn’t particularly aware of the forum user base reduction, and thank you, OP, for this analysis, even if I am not sure it’s fully reliable. Might not be 100% accurate but its close enough and big enough to raise eyes balls you know.... Quote I have been quite unsuccessful in this task for a series of reasons: cut Is it okay if I categorize your opinion as unfriendly to discussion/users since you believe the reduction/small size has to do with how old fashioned the forum is and how difficult it is to navigate the forum with a mobile phone- its a bigger problem because the new generation newbies do not want to belong to a forum that looks like an ancient Egypt forum, where users need to zoom and scroll left and right on mobile to read a post and still have to wait until they reach a particular rank to be allowed to post an image when there are other places that give them this much privilege, I would think newbies restrictions play a role. Title: Re: Forum Menbership- 3.5m registered only 56k members survived?..... Why? Post by: OgNasty on May 22, 2023, 07:19:24 PM When you think about how many of those "survived" members are using multiple accounts here it surely would reduce the overall count far below 56K. Bots, alts, newbies that will never come back... I'd honestly be surprised if there were 20K real active members here. Still, I think the poll seems like people are figuring out the issues here. DT is no longer a reflection of activity and trust on these boards, but a showing of political posturing and dealmaking to protect each other's interests and punish those they disagree with (SHOCKER: mostly liberals trying to silence and discredit conservatives). It's actually shameful that it is still around in it's current form, but the only people who seem to care are the ones who's obsession with gaining trust inclusions has caused this mess.
Title: Re: Forum Menbership- 3.5m registered only 56k members survived?..... Why? Post by: Igebotz on May 22, 2023, 08:25:54 PM When you think about how many of those "survived" members are using multiple accounts here it surely would reduce the overall count far below 56K. Bots, alts, newbies that will never come back... I'd honestly be surprised if there were 20K real active members here. Still, I think the poll seems like people are figuring out the issues here. DT is no longer a reflection of activity and trust on these boards, but a showing of political posturing and dealmaking to protect each other's interests and punish those they disagree with (SHOCKER: mostly liberals trying to silence and discredit conservatives). It's actually shameful that it is still around in it's current form, but the only people who seem to care are the ones who's obsession with gaining trust inclusions has caused this mess. The forum have had a total of 7765 (https://ninjastic.space/search?after_date=2023-04-22T00%3A00%3A59&before_date=2023-05-22T23%3A59%3A59) active members in the last 30 days and out of which 2725 (https://ninjastic.space/search?after_date=2023-04-22T00%3A00%3A59&before_date=2023-05-22T23%3A59%3A59&board=238) active users are Bountie spammers which left us with only 5040 active members on the general board, the reduction is real; we are now simply a little community recycling our shits over and over again; we are less than the typical crypto telegram group. The community votes in the last 24 hours have shown that DT oppression is real and has caused to a significant drop in membership; the question now is how do we fix this?. Title: Re: Forum Menbership- 3.5m registered only 56k members survived?..... Why? Post by: Woodie on May 22, 2023, 08:37:24 PM I believe the forum has been more accommodating to everyone than it was a few years back. If we contemplate on the general forum traffic, today we have several local boards which should make non English speakers to stick around than what it was, so this can't be a language barrier causing the low turnout..But I think it has something to do with the altcoin bubble which we had years back, the ICOs , the generous bounty rewards that existed back then...today rewards arent attractive and most users might have given up on this as projects arent as honest as the first gens were.
Title: Re: Forum Menbership- 3.5m registered only 56k members survived?..... Why? Post by: jokers10 on May 22, 2023, 08:41:36 PM ... The community votes in the last 24 hours have shown that DT oppression is real and has caused to a significant drop in membership; the question now is how do we fix this?. So we have 8 votes for 5 thousand active users you counted and we plan to make conclusions from that, right? I doubt that 31 voters for 5 thousand is a representative sample. To find a way to solve a problem we should be sure that a problem we found is what is a real problem. Otherwise we can face even bigger problems. If there is a resentful user with multiple accounts who doesn't like that his shady activity was highlighted by DT he can easily corrupt all this voting with tens of votes. If you want to know what people really think it is better to read what they write and not how they anonymously vote. It can be also corrupted but you at least can guess it if you'll look at post history and trust reviews of users. Title: Re: Forum Menbership- 3.5m registered only 56k members survived?..... Why? Post by: Upgrade00 on May 22, 2023, 08:44:58 PM Lol. One way or another, (most) Newbies aren't welcomed. Luckily, there are some exceptions (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5185736.msg62271284#msg62271284). Those exemptions are proof that if a new user is genuinely interested in understanding Bitcoin and learning more, they would find this forum very entertaining and with a little more effort even enjoy their time here.Also, those users quickly rank up and would not be considered new members any more. I hope the forum becomes more welcoming that even users who are not as dedicated would be able to enjoy their time here. Title: Re: Forum Menbership- 3.5m registered only 56k members survived?..... Why? Post by: JollyGood on May 22, 2023, 09:06:37 PM Thank you for starting the topic and inviting for an open discussion to take place. Since finding this thread I have been pondering what to write especially after reading many excellent opinions already posted. To some extent I am surprised it is being discussed now when it should already have been discussed in great detail such is the importance of question surrounding the actual number of real active users.
This is merely an opinion, I would say that DT oppression to some extent does take place yet it is only part of a wider DT related issue. Cliques, groups and gangs working in tandem also could be part of the issue. I believe merits play a huge part in retention of newbies in the forum. I am not going to say whether the following is an appropriate course of action but I have seen frustrated members complain about why their regular/consistent efforts in the forum by virtue of medium to high quality posts have seen little or nothing in either recognition or merits whereas far too many merits have been given out for what a neutral observer would probably conclude did not deserve the merits received. That could also put off members especially when they create a thread about it and do not receive much sympathy. As for Bitcoin low adoption (as you put it), would it be fair to say that stacked up against nation countries fiat based currencies Bitcoin has always been low adoption since the day it was created in 2009 and even though the numbers increase in adoption month on month it will always remain low adoption? I cannot see a valid reason a newbie to this forum would leave (just after signing up) on the basis there was low adoption. I rarely use the BPIP website but when I do I have to say it is informative with all the scraping of data. Having said that I would advise to use multiple sources to try to ascertain statistics related to user and forum activity. unfriendly environment for Newbies/users ? DT members oppression ? ( so much red than green these days) The merit system (high demands for quality) ? The moderation/rules ( using the ban button more often) ? Low Bitcoin adoption ? Lets Talk... 8) Title: Re: Forum Menbership- 3.5m registered only 56k members survived?..... Why? Post by: CryptSafe on May 22, 2023, 11:14:14 PM I see lack of patience as a major factor for the decline in participants here. Most of the newbies lack patience to working and doing the right thing. They want short cut to climbing up which is not possible here. Some hardly make post and do not contribute in any way to growing their reputation here and at the entire end they get frustrated and leave the platform as a result of not being able to meet up with their target. They blame forum policies and members being to harsh on them forgetting that there are laid down rules on every platform to go by if you must be a member. Merit system can likely be another factor because it determines your forum rank after getting much activities to back it up. Without merit one remains in a particular spot which is not good. However, merit can only be awarded when a member sees your post or comment worthy of being merited. Of lately, it seems there are few merits source active which makes it looks like a million years to get a merit reward from a merit source as they can not go round the boards to check on posts and comments always. If this could be looked into, I think it would increase activities too as many would be encouraged to do or show more working. It feels not alright after much efforts and yet still not merited. Maybe this scares them away. Title: Re: Forum Menbership- 3.5m registered only 56k members survived?..... Why? Post by: Findingnemo on May 23, 2023, 06:32:31 AM I don't believe that 3.5Million individuals actually registered on bitcointalk, in old days especially before the introduction of merit system people used the bitcointalk as money making forum, they simply post some garbage and gain activity and rank up then enter into campaign and just keep spamming then in 2018 theymos figured the spam is out of control so he introduced merit system which really made those accounts farmers to vanish from here. So I still think introduction of merit system reduced the rate of registration in bitcointalk.
Also I feel we don't have enough topics to discuss or that makes me too engaged, more people are just doing forum politics, merits hunting so they chase merits and purposely posting posts which is kind of annoying or atleast to me. Title: Re: Forum Menbership- 3.5m registered only 56k members survived?..... Why? Post by: NotATether on May 23, 2023, 06:53:36 AM I look in the back pages of the Bitcointalk boards, and I found a museum of archives, when most users actually wanted to improve Bitcoin and a very restricted set of alts. An Atlantis under water.
All of those users have since gone, and are now replaced with people who are only interested in making $10 out of some airdrop/pre-sale/bounty/whatever. I do not think it is the trolls or DT who have done this, but rather, the insatiable attribute of greed. As people started to chase more easy money, more people stopped doing useful work on the networks, to the point where most of the development that *is* done in cryptocurrency is minting some coin or NFT (probably using a few clicks of a GUI, that is without even writing any code) or organizing a rugpull. This can be seen across the entire industry, not just bitcointalk. Title: Re: Forum Menbership- 3.5m registered only 56k members survived?..... Why? Post by: JollyGood on May 23, 2023, 07:41:32 AM Currently we are at 34 votes in the poll and again it another unfair reflection as to addressing the subject title of the thread. Without a doubt there are innumerable factors that could contribute to members not participating in a vote but seriously such low numbers are indicative of a regular pattern.
Start a thread looking campaign participants and it will be flooded with hopefuls trying to get selected yet something such as important as this is virtually overlooked when using as a comparator. --------- What could be the cause of the forum membership decreased Unfriendly discussion enviromment - 5 (14.7%) DT Members opression - 8 (23.5%) The Merit system - 7 (20.6%) The moderation/Rules - 0 (0%) Low Bitcoin adoption - 2 (5.9%) Others - 12 (35.3%) Total Voters: 34 Title: Re: Forum Menbership- 3.5m registered only 56k members survived?..... Why? Post by: Igebotz on May 23, 2023, 09:30:51 AM Only members who care about the forum read the Meta, so I wasn't expecting anything close to 100 votes, especially since only 364 (https://ninjastic.space/search?after_date=2023-04-22T00%3A00%3A59&before_date=2023-05-22T23%3A59%3A59&board=24) of the 7765 (https://ninjastic.space/search?after_date=2023-04-22T00%3A00%3A59&before_date=2023-05-22T23%3A59%3A59) active members in the last 30 days posted on the Meta, so I'm not surprised. We only have a bunch of signature/bounty spammers who are more active than the ones who care about the forum's welfare. 34 votes is a significant number on a Meta, in my opinion.
When something like this comes up, the bullies and DT oppressors avoid participating in the conversation. These are the three vital issues...... Unfriendly discussion enviromment - 5 (14.7%) DT Members opression - 8 (23.5%) The Merit system - 7 (20.6%) So we have 8 votes for 5 thousand active users you counted and we plan to make conclusions from that, right? I doubt that 31 voters for 5 thousand is a representative sample. To find a way to solve a problem we should be sure that a problem we found is what is a real problem. Otherwise we can face even bigger problems. Currently we are at 34 votes in the poll and again it another unfair reflection as to addressing the subject title of the thread. Without a doubt there are innumerable factors that could contribute to members not participating in a vote but seriously such low numbers are indicative of a regular pattern. Start a thread looking campaign participants and it will be flooded with hopefuls trying to get selected yet something such as important as this is virtually overlooked when using as a comparator. Title: Re: Forum Menbership- 3.5m registered only 56k members survived?..... Why? Post by: jokers10 on May 23, 2023, 10:01:35 AM ... 34 votes is a significant number on a Meta, in my opinion. ... You can make your own conclusions but it doesn't mean everyone will make the same conclusions. ... These are the three vital issues...... Unfriendly discussion enviromment - 5 (14.7%) And you can nothing to do with that, except to show by example how to make a friendly discussion. You can't make a majority to change their habits. Of course it will be good if there will be more friendliness, it is good in any case, but it is not what we can demand. DT Members opression - 8 (23.5%) Most cases I see are based on cheating and scamming. If you don't like how DT do in some exact case you can bring up the topic. DT is based on a consensus and consensus can be changed. No one in DT is forever so if anyone behaves bad you can exclude him from your trust list. If you see someone leaves good reviews and votes for flags correctly you can add him to your trust list. You can leave your own reviews, including green ones. I use that opportunity, do all those ones who don't like how DT works do the same? The Merit system - 7 (20.6%) As I said, I came here when merit system was just implemented. First merit I've got rather fast, but others were very rare and I wasn't sure I'll get even member rank. But even then I saw multiple low quality posts, there were too many of them. So merit system is good for forum in general. If you see that there are many good posts from newbies are without merits you can apply for merit source and then share more merits with those ones who deserve it. It is good and right. And it can make merit system work better. That's what can do everyone who thinks that a merit system is not friendly enough at the moment. Title: Re: Forum Menbership- 3.5m registered only 56k members survived?..... Why? Post by: Aikidoka on May 23, 2023, 10:15:14 AM To be honest, I never expected that there were 2.7 million lost Bitcointalk accounts out of the total 3.5 million. It's a huge number of accounts but I'm really curious about the statistics from the past few years. I wonder how many accounts were active in 2022 and 2021. Is the number decreasing?
IMO, I don't believe the forum will die but if that would continue to happen in the coming years perhaps we should consider promoting it to attract more traffic. In another way, we could make slight changes to the rules to minimize the number of people losing their accounts or getting banned. It seems like many members have given up once they lost their Bitcointalk account or faced a ban and that's just my opinion. I'm genuinely curious about how we can increase traffic and make this community larger and more active. Title: Re: Forum Menbership- 3.5m registered only 56k members survived?..... Why? Post by: LoyceV on May 23, 2023, 10:40:12 AM When something like this comes up, the bullies and DT oppressors avoid participating in the conversation. Who exactly are you pointing at? Name them, so they can read this topic :)Also: if you believe someone abuses DT, exclude them (https://loyce.club/trust/2023-05-20_Sat_05.07h/1045971.html). Others may or may not agree with you, but at least DT will be a tad more decentralized again. Title: Re: Forum Menbership- 3.5m registered only 56k members survived?..... Why? Post by: jokers10 on May 23, 2023, 10:43:46 AM To be honest, I never expected that there were 2.7 million lost Bitcointalk accounts out of the total 3.5 million. It's a huge number of accounts but I'm really curious about the statistics from the past few years. I wonder how many accounts were active in 2022 and 2021. Is the number decreasing? ... It looks overwhelming only if not to look at other forums stats. It is normal when total majority of signed up never write a word. It is the same on a majority of forums. There is a big bunch of those who have a single question, they come on a forum, write one single post with their question and then never return and usually even don't read answers, because they find that answer somewhere else faster. So those ones who leave at least several posts are a total minority of signed up, and those ones who stay are the total minority of those ones who leave at least several posts. It is normal! Title: Re: Forum Menbership- 3.5m registered only 56k members survived?..... Why? Post by: Flexystar on May 23, 2023, 10:48:45 AM It could be one of those up trend and downtrend cycle over the years. I mean initially it was obvious that forum seen huge registrations because Bitcoin was new and everyone wanted to know about it. Slowly it might have happened that BitcoinTalk word search became very popular, mouth to mouth publicity happened, ICO projects were booming and people wanted to know genuine projects and as far as resources concerned, forum was the best place to place your bet.
Over the time, many other forums emerged too. Social media coverage regarding Bitcoin is off the roof so most of the info that a normal user want can be availed from multiple sources now. Not sure what or who constitute to those 56K active users but that could be none other than developers, technical people who wants to explore, students who are doing masters in Blockchain, and most of the contributors from services section and bounty section. Do we have BPIP feature which tells us which section is active in terms of number of user engagements? (Can't find it on BPIP.org). May be that can shade some light on the matter. Title: Re: Forum Menbership- 3.5m registered only 56k members survived?..... Why? Post by: CryptSafe on May 23, 2023, 03:11:31 PM Unfriendly discussion enviromment - 5 (14.7%) If they say unfriendly environment, could it be the way and manner members are being attack when they make post, create topics, make complaints. Most times ones experience could make them have the thoughts of been attacked by high rank members and that would result to them thinking the environment is not friendly and they eventually leave.DT Members opression - 8 (23.5%) Well as for this, I really think the DT final verdict is based on consensus. So therefore if there be any judgement passed, it must have been scrutinized by the DT members thoroughly before it is enacted but if their is anything else, they should be able to come up plane to say it. The Merit system - 7 (20.6%) Although this is a crucial part in ranking but one needs to be up and doing before they could be awarded merits as a result of their inputs and contributions. As important as it is, it paves way for growth and applauding ones efforts here but it seems most posts are that are due or should be merited are not seen and likely low efforts post been merited maybe this is the reason. It would not make any sense when someone puts efforts to adding more value and not being recognized then another with no much efforts merited. May be this might be amongst the challenges which needs to be looked into. Title: Re: Forum Menbership- 3.5m registered only 56k members survived?..... Why? Post by: JollyGood on May 23, 2023, 03:39:59 PM In principle what you say is correct but looking at the bigger picture things are not as straight forward as that. For example, there are DT members that are abusing their position by using their feedbacks and exclusions for revenge purposes (and there is the matter of cliques). I think that part of the scenario has not been mentioned nor discussed in a wider manner in this thread because it probably has and still does play a part in both new member and old member retention.
DT Members opression - 8 (23.5%) Well as for this, I really think the DT final verdict is based on consensus. So therefore if there be any judgement passed, it must have been scrutinized by the DT members thoroughly before it is enacted but if their is anything else, they should be able to come up plane to say it.Title: Re: Forum Menbership- 3.5m registered only 56k members survived?..... Why? Post by: CryptSafe on May 23, 2023, 05:04:58 PM In principle what you say is correct but looking at the bigger picture things are not as straight forward as that. For example, there are DT members that are abusing their position by using their feedbacks and exclusions for revenge purposes (and there is the matter of cliques). I think that part of the scenario has not been mentioned nor discussed in a wider manner in this thread because it probably has and still does play a part in both new member and old member retention. DT Members opression - 8 (23.5%) Well as for this, I really think the DT final verdict is based on consensus. So therefore if there be any judgement passed, it must have been scrutinized by the DT members thoroughly before it is enacted but if their is anything else, they should be able to come up plane to say it.I get a bigger picture of what you are talking about and please correct me if I am wrong. When you talk about revenge do you possibly talk about a fight back by these members to undo some members here in the sense that they victimize, intimidate and keep harassing members who gave them tough time on their way to the top or possibly their clique members just as you have said. If this be the case then there are lots really happening here which would need attention and also be sorted out. Who knows how many members that must have been affected by this act. Title: Re: Forum Menbership- 3.5m registered only 56k members survived?..... Why? Post by: The Sceptical Chymist on May 23, 2023, 05:14:56 PM There are many use cases - from short time FUD or spam to one-time business, scams (including rinse and repeat strategies), multi-ing, ... name it - people would create just another account on the forum because, you know, it's for free. Oh, man....I can't tell you how many one-time use accounts I've seen all over the forum (actually you probably have as well), whether it's to troll someone, make a scam accusation, or like you mentioned to spam and all the other reasons. I also think a lot of accounts that got created during the various bull markets went dormant once bitcoin started to slide, and the late 2017 to early 2018 period comes to mind immediately. There were a ton of new accounts created to participate in the ICO bounties, and I don't think many of those people stuck around to the present day. I didn't think there were 'only' 58k active accounts, but when you think about it that's still a pretty high number for an old-school discussion forum. If signature campaigns went away, though? I bet that number would drop off a cliff in a heartbeat. Title: Re: Forum Menbership- 3.5m registered only 56k members survived?..... Why? Post by: skarais on May 23, 2023, 07:49:53 PM ~~~ I didn't think there were 'only' 58k active accounts, but when you think about it that's still a pretty high number for an old-school discussion forum. If signature campaigns went away, though? I bet that number would drop off a cliff in a heartbeat.I still remember when thousands of users became inactive when the forum implemented merit system, at that time many users feel difficulty getting rank and the rest had to become newbie when admin also adjusting the rules for Jr. rank. Even when several running campaigns finish at the same time, there will also be a reduction in the number of active users. Title: Re: Forum Menbership- 3.5m registered only 56k members survived?..... Why? Post by: Igebotz on May 23, 2023, 07:55:41 PM When something like this comes up, the bullies and DT oppressors avoid participating in the conversation. Who exactly are you pointing at? Name them, so they can read this topic :)Also: if you believe someone abuses DT, exclude them (https://loyce.club/trust/2023-05-20_Sat_05.07h/1045971.html). Others may or may not agree with you, but at least DT will be a tad more decentralized again. No one in particular, but I'm sure they've already read my post, but I'm not sure I had anyone in mind; I was just trying to light up the woods and see what the community thinks. My ~ is a drop in the ocean. I didn't think there were 'only' 58k active accounts, but when you think about it that's still a pretty high number for an old-school discussion forum. If signature campaigns went away, though? I bet that number would drop off a cliff in a heartbeat. theymos is well aware of this and that's why he is not letting it go anytime soon.... Title: Re: Forum Menbership- 3.5m registered only 56k members survived?..... Why? Post by: CryptopreneurBrainboss on May 23, 2023, 09:49:24 PM IMO, I don't believe the forum will die but if that would continue to happen in the coming years perhaps we should consider promoting it to attract more traffic. In another way, we could make slight changes to the rules to minimize the number of people losing their accounts or getting banned. It seems like many members have given up once they lost their Bitcointalk account or faced a ban and that's just my opinion. I'm genuinely curious about how we can increase traffic and make this community larger and more active. Very nicely said, of recent I have been against the rate at which accounts get banned or destroyed from the forum. We should introduced some new laws like instead of strictly banning people for mistakes they deliberately or not deliberately make, we can make them lose their signature privilege for some amount of months or years. We tried it with highly productive members when caught with plagiarism so we should introduced same rules for other offends or look for other solution if we want to keep this forum alive. We drive away lots of talents that would have added to the community when we just banned them out of the forum for been ignorant. Only members who care about the forum read the Meta, so I wasn't expecting anything close to 100 votes, especially since only 364 (https://ninjastic.space/search?after_date=2023-04-22T00%3A00%3A59&before_date=2023-05-22T23%3A59%3A59&board=24) of the 7765 (https://ninjastic.space/search?after_date=2023-04-22T00%3A00%3A59&before_date=2023-05-22T23%3A59%3A59) active members in the last 30 days posted on the Meta, so I'm not surprised. We only have a bunch of signature/bounty spammers who are more active than the ones who care about the forum's welfare. 34 votes is a significant number on a Meta, in my opinion. People not visiting meta doesn't mean they don't care about the forum, there are no conversation here like other part of the board, at some point I stopped visiting meta and the reputation board but later returned to visiting. If you want to enjoy the forum visit other lively boards. We're here to learn about Bitcoin and other industry related things, those things can't be learnt on the meta board. Also we have those that avoid this board because they feel they'll be judged wrongly of fishing for merits when they post on meta so they just focus on boards they're can comment freely without been misjudged. Title: Re: Forum Menbership- 3.5m registered only 56k members survived?..... Why? Post by: JollyGood on May 23, 2023, 10:12:51 PM Oh, man....I can't tell you how many one-time use accounts I've seen all over the forum (actually you probably have as well), whether it's to troll someone, make a scam accusation, or like you mentioned to spam and all the other reasons. I have seen several of them during my time here too. Many of those types of accounts used for trolling or one time anonymous scam accusations fade away never to be heard from again.I also think a lot of accounts that got created during the various bull markets went dormant once bitcoin started to slide, and the late 2017 to early 2018 period comes to mind immediately. There were a ton of new accounts created to participate in the ICO bounties, and I don't think many of those people stuck around to the present day. I would not be surprised if the biggest spike in the number of members signing up in the forum occurred when ICOs were at their peak. It was an absolutely manic flurry of activity when investors were lining up to part with their cash to invest using ETH and the bounties were attracting people from across the spectrum.I didn't think there were 'only' 58k active accounts, but when you think about it that's still a pretty high number for an old-school discussion forum. If signature campaigns went away, though? I bet that number would drop off a cliff in a heartbeat. If an active member was categorised as one on the basis they last logged in 28 days ago the number would be different to say that of members signing in 90 or 180 days ago. That definition of the word active is something that does not have consensus therefore can be misleading. I would still look at that alleged 58,000 active members as debatable.Title: Re: Forum Menbership- 3.5m registered only 56k members survived?..... Why? Post by: Igebotz on May 23, 2023, 10:34:49 PM Only members who care about the forum read the Meta, so I wasn't expecting anything close to 100 votes, especially since only 364 (https://ninjastic.space/search?after_date=2023-04-22T00%3A00%3A59&before_date=2023-05-22T23%3A59%3A59&board=24) of the 7765 (https://ninjastic.space/search?after_date=2023-04-22T00%3A00%3A59&before_date=2023-05-22T23%3A59%3A59) active members in the last 30 days posted on the Meta, so I'm not surprised. We only have a bunch of signature/bounty spammers who are more active than the ones who care about the forum's welfare. 34 votes is a significant number on a Meta, in my opinion. People not visiting meta doesn't mean they don't care about the forum, there are no conversation here like other part of the board, at some point I stopped visiting meta and the reputation board but later returned to visiting. If you want to enjoy the forum visit other lively boards. We're here to learn about Bitcoin and other industry related things, those things can't be learnt on the meta board. Also we have those that avoid this board because they feel they'll be judged wrongly of fishing for merits when they post on meta so they just focus on boards they're can comment freely without been misjudged. Meta serves as the forum's information/notice board, where you can get forum-related updates/complaints without having to comment; most of the time, reading is better than writing. I find it strange that someone would stay a week without visiting the Meta board to see if there is an update or the latest development. I understand that just a few users read the reputation board these days because it has turned to "Is he a cheater?", "as I suspect"? Kind of like a board. There has been a general imgur image server issue, and only those that read the Meta know how to solve it because the solution was only posted here since it is related to the forum and not a single board. If someone is sincerely interested in anything, he will read and look into it but i understand your point If an active member was categorised as one on the basis they last logged in 28 days ago the number would be different to say that of members signing in 90 or 180 days ago. That definition of the word active is something that does not have consensus therefore can be misleading. I would still look at that alleged 58,000 active members as debatable. bpip.org scrapes data from accounts that logged in (whether making a post or not) in the last 30 days as 58K active members, however when you drill down to only users who made at least one post in the last 30 days, the figure is substantially lower than the initial value of 58k from bpip.org. Someone posted it in this thread, and I'm too lazy to look for it.(It was roughly 21k at the time) Title: Re: Forum Menbership- 3.5m registered only 56k members survived?..... Why? Post by: JollyGood on May 24, 2023, 08:41:30 AM There is no need to correct you because you understood the broader point I was making. Of the innumerable aspects and permutations of what can be said about the reasons about the numbers (or alleged numbers) of member retentions here in the forum, I think one them could include cliques and trolls.
For example, if an average member who has been around the forum several years can be the victim of a vendetta where perpetrators have created threads to post the trust list of said user and then asking those that trusted the user to remove/exclude purely on the basis of flimsy or highly dubious excuses but using that as an opportunity to exact some form of revenge as the real ulterior motive, then what chance would a newbie have when faced with a similar or sustained attack? As I said, the above scenario could be just one of many innumerable reasons why there is an issue with member retention within the forum but to discuss every possible reason about what is wrong would take days upon days to go through therefore to that degree I am happy to see and read thorugh many of the posts here as it brings a side array of opinions to the table. I get a bigger picture of what you are talking about and please correct me if I am wrong. When you talk about revenge do you possibly talk about a fight back by these members to undo some members here in the sense that they victimize, intimidate and keep harassing members who gave them tough time on their way to the top or possibly their clique members just as you have said. If this be the case then there are lots really happening here which would need attention and also be sorted out. Who knows how many members that must have been affected by this act. Title: Re: Forum Menbership- 3.5m registered only 56k members survived?..... Why? Post by: Jet Cash on May 24, 2023, 09:41:40 AM I probably contributed to the defunct accountr totals. I have at least six alts that I no longer use. From memory, I have Talk merit that I created to support my Fit to Talk project here, Kuffy to protect one of my othe sobriquets, Baronets for my domain name business, Jet Aid for some sort of help project, I forget which, Flash Cunt was a special for Tman - who remembers him. There may be a couple more. One of those was an experiment to see hoiw fast you could work the system to achieve member status, and I suspec that it still holds the record. You have to get the timing right, and aschieve merits and activity regularly to do it.
Title: Re: Forum Menbership- 3.5m registered only 56k members survived?..... Why? Post by: LoyceV on May 24, 2023, 09:53:04 AM My ~ is a drop in the ocean. That's the beauty of decentralization (or democracy for that matter): the same applies to everyone else. If everyone excludes anyone who they think uses the Trust system incorrectly, the result should be a more or less acceptable average. Or we're screwed big time.Title: Re: Forum Menbership- 3.5m registered only 56k members survived?..... Why? Post by: Igebotz on May 24, 2023, 11:13:53 AM For example, if an average member who has been around the forum several years can be the victim of a vendetta where perpetrators have created threads to post the trust list of said user and then asking those that trusted the user to remove/exclude purely on the basis of flimsy or highly dubious excuses but using that as an opportunity to exact some form of revenge as the real ulterior motive, then what chance would a newbie have when faced with a similar or sustained attack? This story sounds familiar...... ;D My ~ is a drop in the ocean. That's the beauty of decentralization (or democracy for that matter): the same applies to everyone else. If everyone excludes anyone who they think uses the Trust system incorrectly, the result should be a more or less acceptable average. Or we're screwed big time.I'm sure Theymos is now rethinking his decision--decentralization in the hands of a sadist is a dreadful weapon. It's been a long time since I've seen somebody kicked off the DT for misusing the trust system; I've seen a profile painted red just because a DT member thought his comments was a joke. Title: Re: Forum Menbership- 3.5m registered only 56k members survived?..... Why? Post by: LoyceV on May 24, 2023, 11:17:58 AM It's been a long time since I've seen somebody kicked off the DT for misusing the trust system; I've seen a profile painted red just because a DT member thought his comments was a joke. That's (also) on you: by not excluding users who's judgement you don't trust, you're not doing what a good DT1-member should do. See dtview (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;dtview): at the bottom of the list are 9 DT1-members who are "kicked off" by other DT1-members. Theymos doesn't (have to) interfere here, it's up to DT1 to keep DT1 clean.Title: Re: Forum Menbership- 3.5m registered only 56k members survived?..... Why? Post by: Igebotz on May 24, 2023, 11:53:46 AM It's been a long time since I've seen somebody kicked off the DT for misusing the trust system; I've seen a profile painted red just because a DT member thought his comments was a joke. That's (also) on you: by not excluding users who's judgement you don't trust, you're not doing what a good DT1-member should do. See dtview (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;dtview): at the bottom of the list are 9 DT1-members who are "kicked off" by other DT1-members. Theymos doesn't (have to) interfere here, it's up to DT1 to keep DT1 clean.You are right. Interesting read and I saw some surprising names being kicked out of DT- But i felt that the energy is not longer the same, other DT members seems not to care anymore sorry to say Title: Re: Forum Menbership- 3.5m registered only 56k members survived?..... Why? Post by: LoyceV on May 24, 2023, 01:24:58 PM i felt that the energy is not longer the same, other DT members seems not to care anymore sorry to say It's been like that for years. If a few people don't care, it doesn't matter much. But if too many people don't care:we're screwed big time. Title: Re: Forum Menbership- 3.5m registered only 56k members survived?..... Why? Post by: CryptopreneurBrainboss on May 24, 2023, 07:15:25 PM Meta serves as the forum's information/notice board, where you can get forum-related updates/complaints without having to comment; most of the time, reading is better than writing. I find it strange that someone would stay a week without visiting the Meta board to see if there is an update or the latest development. I understand that just a few users read the reputation board these days because it has turned to "Is he a cheater?", "as I suspect"? Kind of like a board. I don't find it strange, it's not like the forum has information to pass on to her members every day. The information are always one in a blue moon like the dt update that comes monthly and the rest update I see on the meta board aren't that important but just members updating their threads on whatever information they're gathering so the meta board isn't a board to be visited very frequently. Even theymos is more active on the politics and society board than Meta. Guess we going a little bit off topic now so we should be getting back on topic but just wanted you to know the meta board is not as important as you think that you should expect everyone to visit. Important information can always be pinned as news or displayed on the ad slots that display on the first post of every thread. I probably contributed to the defunct accountr totals. I have at least six alts that I no longer use. You're making a point here, unused alts are also contributing to the low turn out of inactive members, while yours was done in good faith, we have those that created multiple ads to cheat the bounty system and most of them are no longer active due to them been caught and banned or red trusted while others are inactive because bounties aren't as lucrative for now due to the bear market which goes back to my first point that the current market conditions is contributing to the low activities. Title: Re: Forum Menbership- 3.5m registered only 56k members survived?..... Why? Post by: aoluain on May 24, 2023, 08:40:31 PM I'm curious about the forum's membership reduction and what can be to blame. A community with 3.5 million registered users has 2.7 million banned/nuked accounts, 700k accounts are dormant, and just 56k individuals have been active for the past three months. I did some analysis and there is a somewhat high chance that the forum will disappear before 2030 if the information on https://bpip.org/ is accurate. Since the forum is losing traffic each month, which is awful from a financial standpoint, I'm wondering what might be the issue. DT members, merit system, moderation rules and bitcoin adoption has nothing to do with bitcointalk's popularity. This forum has the best rules, moderators, educated and professional users, etc but the problem is that forum has no clear goal, if any, and probably the owner has no motivation to do something with it, he just hosts it and that's all.https://talkimg.com/images/2023/05/21/Firefox_Screenshot_2023-05-21T10-50-08.578Z90d8e4d2020d9d50.png unfriendly environment for Newbies/users ? DT members oppression ? ( so much red than green these days) The merit system (high demands for quality) ? The moderation/rules ( using the ban button more often) ? Low Bitcoin adoption ? Lets Talk... 8) This forum doesn't meet the average standard that people expect. It has an old and outdated user interface, features, doesn't have a mobile application, epochtalk is abandoned. I think it's pretty clear why this forum loses people and it makes me really sad because I recently discovered this amazing forum with amazing history and amazing community and I don't wat to see it vanish. The fact that the forum is not smartphone friendly is a big deterrent, I'm here 6 years and I really only access the forum on my smartphone and have got used to Zooming, I know 2 people who have accounts here who couldnt be bothered visiting because its too difficult to navigate on a mobile. So gea its a very good point made above. On the points made by the OP are also valid as are many others, social media is also a big factor including messaging apps which are really convenient. Also I think after the madness of the ICO era a lot of people left after either getting badly burned or lost interest... so yea lots and lots of reasons for the big drop off in membership/active members. Title: Re: Forum Menbership- 3.5m registered only 56k members survived?..... Why? Post by: jokers10 on May 24, 2023, 08:54:10 PM The fact that the forum is not smartphone friendly is a big deterrent, I'm here 6 years and I really only access the forum on my smartphone and have got used to Zooming, I know 2 people who have accounts here who couldnt be bothered visiting because its too difficult to navigate on a mobile. So gea its a very good point made above. ... It is a very important issue. Looking at some other websites stats I can say that mobile users proportion has grown significantly last years. It is over 50% and some regular sites show up to three quarters of mobile users. If a site is mobile friendly they obviously stay longer. So making an adaptive design is very actual nowadays. And as for so popular forum I guess a special mobile app can be popular as well. Title: Re: Forum Menbership- 3.5m registered only 56k members survived?..... Why? Post by: JollyGood on May 24, 2023, 10:38:27 PM Here is another excellent opinion, I agree that the forum being lack of mobile friendly would play a part in membership retention too. We do not have to use statistics available at our disposal to understand the value attached to those scenarios. In the general sense, if a customer/client finds it difficult to use a mobile phone to browse then they might give up as they might not have access to another device (such as a PC) to browse from.
The fact that the forum is not smartphone friendly is a big deterrent, I'm here 6 years and I really only access the forum on my smartphone and have got used to Zooming, I know 2 people who have accounts here who couldnt be bothered visiting because its too difficult to navigate on a mobile. So gea its a very good point made above. ... It is a very important issue. Looking at some other websites stats I can say that mobile users proportion has grown significantly last years. It is over 50% and some regular sites show up to three quarters of mobile users. If a site is mobile friendly they obviously stay longer. So making an adaptive design is very actual nowadays. And as for so popular forum I guess a special mobile app can be popular as well. Title: Re: Forum Menbership- 3.5m registered only 56k members survived?..... Why? Post by: Sandra_hakeem on May 26, 2023, 06:50:09 PM Hell no Igeb botz... I'm not totally against what you said but I'm not also fully accepting to it.
I Feel anyone that survived in here hasn't done that by chance neither is it a coincidence - the forum doesn't change, people do.. and AFAIK, you weren't there around 2013, where growing in the forum was seen as a tough renaissance; though it actually looked simple cus they weren't affect by any factor, but could you atleast remember that LAUDA and VOD won't take any shit to their bellies, assuming they had to? Talk more of the rest of them? C'monnnn,... Even Life itself wasn't meant for everyone - that the reasons some kiddies give up - cus whatever is meant to be, will always be. I believe the forum needs a few dangling sets of masterpiece information providers, with an already imbibed knowledge... Cheer up, we're in the new era. Sandra 🧑🦰 Title: Re: Forum Menbership- 3.5m registered only 56k members survived?..... Why? Post by: Igebotz on May 26, 2023, 09:09:22 PM Hell no Igeb botz... I'm not totally against what you said but I'm not also fully accepting to it. I Feel anyone that survived in here hasn't done that by chance neither is it a coincidence - the forum doesn't change, people do.. and AFAIK, you weren't there around 2013, where growing in the forum was seen as a tough renaissance; though it actually looked simple cus they weren't affect by any factor, but could you atleast remember that LAUDA and VOD won't take any shit to their bellies, assuming they had to? Talk more of the rest of them? C'monnnn,... Even Life itself wasn't meant for everyone - that the reasons some kiddies give up - cus whatever is meant to be, will always be. I believe the forum needs a few dangling sets of masterpiece information providers, with an already imbibed knowledge... Cheer up, we're in the new era. Sandra 🧑🦰 Which of the point did you agreed or disagreed to? i gave out some options... I'm lost here To begin with, talking about 2013 is like talking about the 1930 first world cup because I'm 100% certain that neither of us watched or knew any players back then, neither of us were here in 2013, so I wouldn't want to talk about what I don't know, and we don't have many 2013 active members now. I recall one instance where Vod had to red tagged MoparMinning due to an argument between the two on the Bitcointalk Discord; he seriously screwed up the DT. He quit the forum to focus on his pokoGO (https://pokemongolive.com/en/) project. Title: Re: Forum Menbership- 3.5m registered only 56k members survived?..... Why? Post by: dragonvslinux on May 26, 2023, 09:21:14 PM The voted other, like most users it seems. To me it seems obvious that internet forums, in general, and declining in popularity. Partly due to the rise in social media platforms replacing them.
People generally prefer the "hive mind" structure of social media like that of Twitter (for better or for worse), as it priorities information distribution based on it's popularity, rather than in chronological order such as forums. For example a thread with 10+ pages, it's unlikely users would read all pages to find the most relevant comment (for example the most merited). Whereas with social media the most relevant comment is broadcasted the furthest due to likes/retweets, and therefore is placed at the top of discussions, with the least relevant comments at the bottom. Similar to how Reddit sensibly works and remains popular today. I've noticed this trend generally over the past decade or so. When internet adoption initially spread, it was with the likes of MSN, chatrooms (IRC) and internet forums. Now these aspects of the internet have become the "old guard". The likes of WhatsApp/Signal has completely replaced MSN, chatrooms have become nearly obsolete, and forums are simply and outdated structure for mass communication. It makes me wonder what this forum would be like if the most merited comments were at the top of discussion topics, followed by indented quoted replies. Generally this isn't possible in most traditional internet forums, but with merit acting as a sort of "like" function, it actually would be. I think it would lead to much more interesting conversation at least, even if many would struggle with the dramatic change. Title: Re: Forum Menbership- 3.5m registered only 56k members survived?..... Why? Post by: The Sceptical Chymist on May 27, 2023, 02:04:52 AM I believe the forum needs a few dangling sets of masterpiece information providers, with an already imbibed knowledge... Cheer up, we're in the new era. I don't know if we're in any sort of new era or that we need new 'information providers' but you mentioned Vod and Lauda, both of whom were here and very active when I registered and remained so for years afterward. They both had a lot of controversy surrounding them pretty much at any given time, and it made for some damn interesting threads. I'm not suggesting that bitcointalk needs to have a bunch of drama to spice things up, but what I've noticed is that a lot of the fiery personalities have disappeared, either because they died or simply abandoned the forum.Even Quickseller and OgNasty fit into that category, but I don't see either one of them posting in sections like Meta or Reputation as was the case a few years ago. That said, I don't think any of what I just mentioned has anything to do with the ratio of active to registered members being as low as it is (I think I've already said my piece on that in a prior post). Title: Re: Forum Menbership- 3.5m registered only 56k members survived?..... Why? Post by: Shamm on May 27, 2023, 03:09:24 AM I'm curious about the forum's membership reduction and what can be to blame. A community with 3.5 million registered users has 2.7 million banned/nuked accounts, 700k accounts are dormant, and just 56k individuals have been active for the past three months. I did some analysis and there is a somewhat high chance that the forum will disappear before 2030 if the information on https://bpip.org/ is accurate. Since the forum is losing traffic each month, which is awful from a financial standpoint, I'm wondering what might be the issue. https://talkimg.com/images/2023/05/21/Firefox_Screenshot_2023-05-21T10-50-08.578Z90d8e4d2020d9d50.png unfriendly environment for Newbies/users ? DT members oppression ? ( so much red than green these days) The merit system (high demands for quality) ? The moderation/rules ( using the ban button more often) ? Low Bitcoin adoption ? Lets Talk... 8) There are many reason why Users her in our forum being not active or banned, first is that lack of knowledge and didn't know the forum rules and regulations which is there are many users here in forum searching topics and paste it here and claim that is their work also known as plagiarism and we all know that is prohibited if those user obey the rules and regulations then they will not getting a permanent banned. And second thing is, as I observe many accounts been abandoned after creating, and I there are many newbies account out here being abandoned and we don't know what's the reason behind this. Maybe a friend of them told or let say share them in the forum but they are not interested. Title: Re: Forum Menbership- 3.5m registered only 56k members survived?..... Why? Post by: bayu7adi on May 27, 2023, 03:13:15 AM During the ICO hype, this forum was bustling with activity, and many newcomers flocked to it. However, some of them came with the sole purpose of seeking bounties and engaging in spamming. The merit system has the ability to filter out users who lack creativity and contribute nothing to others. This can be seen as a firm step to eradicate spammers. Hence, the merit system is indeed crucial.
The decreasing number of users can be attributed, in my opinion, to the outdated UI/UX of the forum. We're aware that the current appearance is not significantly different from that of six years ago (I joined the forum in 2017). Perhaps this is one of the reasons why users don't feel treated as special by this forum. Moreover, it's natural for everyone on the forum to want to check it during leisure time using their smartphones. However, this has yet to be realized. Accessing the forum through the mobile browser is highly unfriendly, which diminishes the enthusiasm for accessing the forum via smartphones. Popular social media platforms like TikTok, Facebook, Instagram, and YouTube become the second choice. It saddens me to witness the gradual disappearance of many individuals from the Bitcointalk forum. Title: Re: Forum Menbership- 3.5m registered only 56k members survived?..... Why? Post by: Lida93 on May 27, 2023, 10:57:20 AM It's not easy being a newbie, particularly when you don't have a prior knowledge about bitcoin before joining the forum. it demands a lot of courage and determination to be able to withstand certain ugly reactions and replies in the forum. And for a newbie that understands what he's here for then no amount of intimidation that should deter their determination and steps to continually being active in the forum. Dealing with those reprimand replies and the supposed harsh environment from some older members is just another way to prove them wrong and showing them you're worth being a forum member by virtue of your exposition and contributions to discussion.
And all of these are locked in patience which some newbies lack when faced with certain forum challenges like growth, and perhaps shy away abandoning their account never to return. The finest of all gold's are refined in the hottest furnace. If it is pampered in the fire it wouldn't receive the beauty, admiration and attraction it gets from people that come across it. So relating it to the forum I think I wouldn't caption it as a harsh environment but rather describe it as a way of retaining quality personality to membership but in my opinion I think some older members are just going the extreme in their firmness to maintaining best standard in the community. Title: Re: Forum Menbership- 3.5m registered only 56k members survived?..... Why? Post by: JollyGood on May 27, 2023, 03:57:20 PM Like you I would also like to understand what Sandra_hakeem was trying to articulate because it is unclear. As for Vod, why did you attribute a Pokémon GO! link to him? I must seriously be missing something of significance here therefore apologise in advance.
I am glad this thread has been used to discuss a wide array of views and opinions and I look forward to reading more. Hell no Igeb botz... I'm not totally against what you said but I'm not also fully accepting to it. Which of the point did you agreed or disagreed to? i gave out some options... I'm lost hereI Feel anyone that survived in here hasn't done that by chance neither is it a coincidence - the forum doesn't change, people do.. and AFAIK, you weren't there around 2013, where growing in the forum was seen as a tough renaissance; though it actually looked simple cus they weren't affect by any factor, but could you atleast remember that LAUDA and VOD won't take any shit to their bellies, assuming they had to? Talk more of the rest of them? C'monnnn,... Even Life itself wasn't meant for everyone - that the reasons some kiddies give up - cus whatever is meant to be, will always be. I believe the forum needs a few dangling sets of masterpiece information providers, with an already imbibed knowledge... Cheer up, we're in the new era. Sandra 🧑🦰 To begin with, talking about 2013 is like talking about the 1930 first world cup because I'm 100% certain that neither of us watched or knew any players back then, neither of us were here in 2013, so I wouldn't want to talk about what I don't know, and we don't have many 2013 active members now. I recall one instance where Vod had to red tagged MoparMinning due to an argument between the two on the Bitcointalk Discord; he seriously screwed up the DT. He quit the forum to focus on his pokoGO (https://pokemongolive.com/en/) project. Title: Re: Forum Menbership- 3.5m registered only 56k members survived?..... Why? Post by: Igebotz on May 27, 2023, 04:16:40 PM I believe the forum needs a few dangling sets of masterpiece information providers, with an already imbibed knowledge... Cheer up, we're in the new era. I don't know if we're in any sort of new era or that we need new 'information providers' but you mentioned Vod and Lauda, both of whom were here and very active when I registered and remained so for years afterward. They both had a lot of controversy surrounding them pretty much at any given time, and it made for some damn interesting threads. I'm not suggesting that bitcointalk needs to have a bunch of drama to spice things up, but what I've noticed is that a lot of the fiery personalities have disappeared, either because they died or simply abandoned the forum.Even Quickseller and OgNasty fit into that category, but I don't see either one of them posting in sections like Meta or Reputation as was the case a few years ago. That said, I don't think any of what I just mentioned has anything to do with the ratio of active to registered members being as low as it is (I think I've already said my piece on that in a prior post). OgNasty posting habit on the reputation board went from 693 (https://ninjastic.space/search?after_date=2011-06-01T00%3A00%3A59&author=ognasty&before_date=2021-10-31T23%3A59%3A59&board=129) post to 2 (https://ninjastic.space/search?after_date=2022-10-01T00%3A00%3A00&author=ognasty&before_date=2023-05-27T23%3A59%3A59&board=129) posts since VOD left the forum, he only started posting few months ago. The Vod vs. Og battle was epic; Vod put everything at it, including creating a website and other shits. Was there an actual lawsuit or was it just an internet spat? lol Like you I would also like to understand what Sandra_hakeem was trying to articulate because it is unclear. As for Vod, why did you attribute a Pokémon GO! link to him? I must seriously be missing something of significance here therefore apologise in advance. I am glad this thread has been used to discuss a wide array of views and opinions and I look forward to reading more. The 50 years old man went on another adventure of life with his PokoGo project - my PI says it belongs to Vod. You are welcome 8) Title: Re: Forum Menbership- 3.5m registered only 56k members survived?..... Why? Post by: Rruchi man on May 30, 2023, 09:11:38 AM unfriendly environment for Newbies/users ? The forum is conducive for newbies who read the rules, understand why they are here which is to learn and try to settle in. The "Beginners & Help" board is flooded with many newbie post, and the responses to some of the newbie questions that they ask are usually more friendly and patient replies than blunt criticism. The merit system (high demands for quality) Quality is required, and a newbie needs to understand what quality is. Old members who also begin to find it difficult to meet up to the mental demands of being a quality posters may also abandon their accounts.Some other reasons could be; - loss of interest in learning and sharing knowledge that can lead to plagiarism, spamming and shit posting or just quitting the forum. Newbies who are not interested in learning and sharing knowledge will find it difficult to continue when they discover that quality is required. - Reduced time and a bulky schedule; someone who has daily activities that eats up all their time may decide to keep their account here dormant. Title: Re: Forum Menbership- 3.5m registered only 56k members survived?..... Why? Post by: Bushdark on May 30, 2023, 10:52:38 AM The fact that the forum is not smartphone friendly is a big deterrent, I'm here 6 years and I really only access the forum on my smartphone and have got used to Zooming, I know 2 people who have accounts here who couldnt be bothered visiting because its too difficult to navigate on a mobile. So gea its a very good point made above. ... It is a very important issue. Looking at some other websites stats I can say that mobile users proportion has grown significantly last years. It is over 50% and some regular sites show up to three quarters of mobile users. If a site is mobile friendly they obviously stay longer. So making an adaptive design is very actual nowadays. And as for so popular forum I guess a special mobile app can be popular as well. Some persons only come here to make enquiry going there separate ways why some would keep visiting because of the benefs they are getting here. Title: Re: Forum Menbership- 3.5m registered only 56k members survived?..... Why? Post by: JollyGood on May 30, 2023, 11:01:40 AM These are another excellent set of reasons to be added to potential reason there are retention issues within the forum. The truth of the matter is that we will most probably never know or understand in full why the forum failed to retain huge numbers of new members but when reading through the possibilities being posted, it is clear a combination of reasons and/or events play their part.
Quality is required, and a newbie needs to understand what quality is. Old members who also begin to find it difficult to meet up to the mental demands of being a quality posters may also abandon their accounts. Some other reasons could be; - loss of interest in learning and sharing knowledge that can lead to plagiarism, spamming and shit posting or just quitting the forum. Newbies who are not interested in learning and sharing knowledge will find it difficult to continue when they discover that quality is required. - Reduced time and a bulky schedule; someone who has daily activities that eats up all their time may decide to keep their account here dormant. Title: Re: Forum Menbership- 3.5m registered only 56k members survived?..... Why? Post by: jokers10 on May 30, 2023, 11:06:27 AM It is a very important issue. Looking at some other websites stats I can say that mobile users proportion has grown significantly last years. It is over 50% and some regular sites show up to three quarters of mobile users. If a site is mobile friendly they obviously stay longer. So making an adaptive design is very actual nowadays. And as for so popular forum I guess a special mobile app can be popular as well. I have seen some persons complaining that the website design and interface is not so appealing to them because they expect to see something new with different interface already. This should not be the issue since the forum is friendly enough with some strict rules attached to make it safe for everyone here. The analysis that op drop could be accurate because there are many reasons why people can decide to stop visiting a platform that could be based on there personal thought.Some persons only come here to make enquiry going there separate ways why some would keep visiting because of the benefs they are getting here. If you don't like visitors you place a "go away" rug in front of your house entrance. If you don't want mobile users to come you say that there is a lot of benefits so no need in adaptive design or in mobile version. Well, you'll get much less visitors, search engines will lower the results of your site in the search results. And after all you can say that only true supporters stay to get their benefits. But we are talking not how to justify the lack of mobile friendliness, but about why can it be so that number of users is going down. And statistically it is very important to have a mobile version or adaptive design nowadays if you are not against visitors. Title: Re: Forum Menbership- 3.5m registered only 56k members survived?..... Why? Post by: Aanuoluwatofunmi on May 30, 2023, 02:47:48 PM It's not easy being a newbie, particularly when you don't have a prior knowledge about bitcoin before joining the forum. it demands a lot of courage and determination to be able to withstand certain ugly reactions and replies in the forum. And for a newbie that understands what he's here for then no amount of intimidation that should deter their determination and steps to continually being active in the forum. Dealing with those reprimand replies and the supposed harsh environment from some older members is just another way to prove them wrong and showing them you're worth being a forum member by virtue of your exposition and contributions to discussion. Little or non did people know that when one is being corrected, it shouldn't be taken as an attack, but an avenue for us to adjust a d learn more, just as the scenario between a mother and her child, she corrects him even when the child feels bad but everything was together for his good, it's good to take all these challenges as a preparatory ground for learning as you target where you're going to, sometimes it may be like a distraction as well because some have left the forum because of the occasion of them being attacked by another user while discussing. The finest of all gold's are refined in the hottest furnace. If it is pampered in the fire it wouldn't receive the beauty, admiration and attraction it gets from people that come across it. You can as well check the history to how some of the well known members of this forum first started by clicking on the profile or even asking them to learn from their experience as some are always open to things like this, they were at a point in time newbies just like everyone here and have received lots of corrections and attacked that brought them to where they are today. Title: Re: Forum Menbership- 3.5m registered only 56k members survived?..... Why? Post by: bettercrypto on May 31, 2023, 07:39:57 AM If in the whole world the most popular book is the Bible, in Bitcoin or Cryptocurrency, Trading, Exchange the best source for this is Bitcointalk.org, Because if I compare it with YouTube, Articles, Facebook, when it comes In the matters that I have mentioned, this is the only platform that can be said to give detailed information.
Now, the only thing that doesn't make it better are the spammers who came in to this platform, now if the community here decreases, I would prefer that only a few are active, but the posts on this platform are of quality, rather than having too many members that are polluted and reduced as for the quality of what is being discussed here, it doesn't matter that there are only a few members. Because this forum is for those who really want to know the deep beauty of Bitcoin or cryptocurrency and so on. Title: Re: Forum Menbership- 3.5m registered only 56k members survived?..... Why? Post by: Etranger on May 31, 2023, 04:41:19 PM The forum is conducive for newbies who read the rules, understand why they are here which is to learn and try to settle in. The "Beginners & Help" board is flooded with many newbie post, and the responses to some of the newbie questions that they ask are usually more friendly and patient replies than blunt criticism. I totally agree here. I still consider myself as a newbie in a lot of questions and topics which are raised here on Bitcontalk. And I can undoubtedly say that there are many ways to find help here, especially on some local boards. If one really eagers to become a part of the forum community and tries his best in consciously reading and understanding what is discussed, then he will definitely gets lots of useful information and advice for himself. Title: Re: Forum Menbership- 3.5m registered only 56k members survived?..... Why? Post by: Shamm on May 31, 2023, 05:24:32 PM If in the whole world the most popular book is the Bible, in Bitcoin or Cryptocurrency, Trading, Exchange the best source for this is Bitcointalk.org, Because if I compare it with YouTube, Articles, Facebook, when it comes In the matters that I have mentioned, this is the only platform that can be said to give detailed information. Agree with you mate as we are all know that the founder of bitcoin and this forum are one. which is this forum is reliable to any information about bitcoin. All topic about bitcoin already takled and one way to find out is using the searching button and then all topics what we want to know will arise. And if we compare to other social media platform especially in YouTube we can say that bitcointalk.org is better than them cause in YouTube, tweeter and Facebook there are many scam advice about Bitcoin .Now, the only thing that doesn't make it better are the spammers who came in to this platform, now if the community here decreases, I would prefer that only a few are active, but the posts on this platform are of quality, rather than having too many members that are polluted and reduced as for the quality of what is being discussed here, it doesn't matter that there are only a few members. Because this forum is for those who really want to know the deep beauty of Bitcoin or cryptocurrency and so on. Title: Re: Forum Menbership- 3.5m registered only 56k members survived?..... Why? Post by: TheBeardedBaby on May 31, 2023, 05:49:55 PM We are in a bear market, that's why, when btc wakes up and the altseason kicks in then the forum will fill again with ppl, new fresh ones wondering what bitcoin is and many old ones trying to ride the wave, and sure the scammers too.
Thats happen on every cycle... Title: Re: Forum Menbership- 3.5m registered only 56k members survived?..... Why? Post by: skarais on May 31, 2023, 07:22:04 PM We are in a bear market, that's why, when btc wakes up and the altseason kicks in then the forum will fill again with ppl, new fresh ones wondering what bitcoin is and many old ones trying to ride the wave, and sure the scammers too. I'm very aware of it and I've also noticed that cycle before. Of course this is natural for online forums because not all users will maintain consistency to make regular posts when they have no plans to engage longer in the forum even just for discussion.Thats happen on every cycle... I was worried about it in 2019, when this forum only had 133,934 active users. But in 2023 the number of active users has reduced greatly, now it's only 56,529 and I hope most of the users out there are still doing well because Covid may have taken some of the users of this forum too. [DISKUSI] KEBERLANSUNGAN FORUM DISKUSI BITCOINTALK.ORG & MEMBER-NYA (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5209309.0) Title: Re: Forum Menbership- 3.5m registered only 56k members survived?..... Why? Post by: Sandra_hakeem on May 31, 2023, 09:58:05 PM Like you I would also like to understand what Sandra_hakeem was trying to articulate because it is unclear. As for Vod, why did you attribute a Pokémon GO! link to him? I must seriously be missing something of significance here therefore apologise in advance. Look, I understand it seems really unclear to you both...it's okay to be, but I'll make everything really explicit..I was tryna say that y'all have survived in here and the same reasons why you have survived might be the same reasons others have left - only that y'all saw it earlier enough that y'all needed really thick skins to do so... How come alot of peeps left few years ago but we got them few newbies that came through last year and survived up till now?? Aren't they also affected with the factors that prolly discouraged or taunted the others?? You see my point now?? Maybe they are, Maybe not but in all, they didn't take surviving in here as an alternative. Alot of prominent newbies that should've been made potential legends have been banned either for a slight mistake or something really wierd that sometimes I think, MAYBE they should have been given a chance to see if those acts were deliberately or not... Quote I am glad this thread has been used to discuss a wide array of views and opinions and I look forward to reading more. There's alot we dunnoTitle: Re: Forum Menbership- 3.5m registered only 56k members survived?..... Why? Post by: dewez on May 31, 2023, 10:25:40 PM yeah.. i would agree with fish on this one. anyway, its a pretty active forum.. the only ones that rival it on activity are for porn. i do think there should be a static 728x60 banner on all pages thats available only for members to buy, to promote their own projects/programs. i think the userbase is active enough in the btc space to float a members only ad buy.
Title: Re: Forum Menbership- 3.5m registered only 56k members survived?..... Why? Post by: logfiles on May 31, 2023, 11:43:58 PM i do think there should be a static 728x60 banner on all pages thats available only for members to buy, to promote their own projects/programs. i think the userbase is active enough in the btc space to float a members only ad buy. I don't know if you were around at the time, but there used to be an option for one to advertise their service using Ad banners. The ad spaces would be auctioned periodically, and the winners would have an opportunity to have their service banner delayed in the ad spaces Theymos, however, suspended ad sales for a few reasons he mentioned, you can check out this post; https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5407725.msg60976136#msg60976136 Title: Re: Forum Menbership- 3.5m registered only 56k members survived?..... Why? Post by: JollyGood on June 01, 2023, 09:12:17 AM What exactly is this reply supposed to mean? This is your first post in this thread yet you imply you posted before and not only that you are posting absolute nonsense in relation to the subject matter.
I have gone through your post history and can put together your motive here is to simply build up your account for joining signature campaigns when you are able to and until then to join bounties. Posting text for the sake of posting does not help you build your account, it hinders your account as it gets noticed and then tagged. I apologize if my previous response seemed to disregard or overlook your statement. I understand that you were discussing the idea of multi-accounting and expressing your thoughts on the matter. It's true that making speculative claims without concrete evidence can be challenging to validate. Regarding the use of real photos for KYC (Know Your Customer) verification, it's important to note that people may have various reasons for doing so. While some individuals may not fully consider the potential risks involved, it's also possible that they have made informed decisions based on their own assessments. Different people have different perspectives and may weigh the potential benefits and drawbacks differently. It's essential to approach discussions about others' decisions or behaviors with empathy and understanding. People's actions may not always align with our own views or expectations, but it's important to respect their autonomy and individual choices. If you have concerns about specific practices or issues, it's generally more productive to engage in constructive dialogue or research to gather more information and gain a better understanding of the situation. Title: Re: Forum Menbership- 3.5m registered only 56k members survived?..... Why? Post by: jokers10 on June 01, 2023, 09:16:52 AM What exactly is this reply supposed to mean? This is your first post in this thread yet you imply you posted before and not only that you are posting absolute nonsense in relation to the subject matter. I have gone through your post history and can put together your motive here is to simply build up your account for joining signature campaigns when you are able to and until then to join bounties. I apologize if my previous response seemed to disregard or overlook your statement. I understand that you were discussing the idea of multi-accounting and expressing your thoughts on the matter. It's true that making speculative claims without concrete evidence can be challenging to validate. Regarding the use of real photos for KYC (Know Your Customer) verification, it's important to note that people may have various reasons for doing so. While some individuals may not fully consider the potential risks involved, it's also possible that they have made informed decisions based on their own assessments. Different people have different perspectives and may weigh the potential benefits and drawbacks differently. It's essential to approach discussions about others' decisions or behaviors with empathy and understanding. People's actions may not always align with our own views or expectations, but it's important to respect their autonomy and individual choices. If you have concerns about specific practices or issues, it's generally more productive to engage in constructive dialogue or research to gather more information and gain a better understanding of the situation. This user is using AI for posting and that's why his comment has nearly no sense. I've just checked and the result is 94% for AI for both his posts which are not bounty reports. Probably we have less users on the forum, but it is good when users of this kind leave us. The less nonsense posters, the less AI posters the better. Title: Re: Forum Menbership- 3.5m registered only 56k members survived?..... Why? Post by: nutildah on June 01, 2023, 09:27:18 AM What exactly is this reply supposed to mean? This is your first post in this thread yet you imply you posted before and not only that you are posting absolute nonsense in relation to the subject matter. He appears to have gotten into an argument with ChatGPT and just copy/pasted the last response :D So annoying. And for this reason 56k active members is too many. We need to cut that number down to about 10k; I reckon half the people logging onto the forum at any given moment are either at or below this level of comprehension. I voted for "Other" in the poll, no surprise its the leading result. The simple reason is peeps have gone elsewhere to discuss Bitcoin- and altcoin-related matters. And that's fine. As I've often said before, this forum is now more of a museum that serves to house Satoshi's posts. That's its primary role. So long as it keeps doing that, everything is fine. Also, a lot of guests/passerbys simply don't want to wade through the enormous ton of shitposts to find the occasional nugget of interesting information. That's probably the main reason why regular people - who aren't interested in making money from the forum - don't sign up and contribute. From the outside looking in its an absolute spamfest. Title: Re: Forum Menbership- 3.5m registered only 56k members survived?..... Why? Post by: JollyGood on June 01, 2023, 10:46:29 AM This user is using AI for posting and that's why his comment has nearly no sense. I've just checked and the result is 94% for AI for both his posts which are not bounty reports. Thank you for looking in to this. It is evident AI is becoming more of a problem within the forum and it seems to be growing on a daily basis. As far as a I can see things will only get worse.Probably we have less users on the forum, but it is good when users of this kind leave us. The less nonsense posters, the less AI posters the better. He appears to have gotten into an argument with ChatGPT and just copy/pasted the last response :D I would say there are not that many real/genuine active users. What I mean by real/genuine active users is a number well below 56,000 (possibly a couple of thousand at most). That number would increase by several thousand if including real/genuine users that are logging in every 3+ months.So annoying. And for this reason 56k active members is too many. We need to cut that number down to about 10k; I reckon half the people logging onto the forum at any given moment are either at or below this level of comprehension. I voted for "Other" in the poll, no surprise its the leading result. The simple reason is peeps have gone elsewhere to discuss Bitcoin- and altcoin-related matters. And that's fine. As I've often said before, this forum is now more of a museum that serves to house Satoshi's posts. That's its primary role. So long as it keeps doing that, everything is fine. Can you provide links to where have people gone to discuss crypto related matters? Apart from "altcoinstalks" and "cryptotalk" there is not much that comes to mind except occasional questions you might find on "stackoverflow"Also, a lot of guests/passerbys simply don't want to wade through the enormous ton of shitposts to find the occasional nugget of interesting information. That's probably the main reason why regular people - who aren't interested in making money from the forum - don't sign up and contribute. From the outside looking in its an absolute spamfest. I agree, any external party looking at the forum from the outside will most probably (at first glance) see this forum as a spammers paradise and that has to be one of the most off-putting elements for new user base retention.Looking through the posts made in the early years of the forum the priority for those members overwhelmingly seemed to be about learning and contributing. At some stage after it became monetised beyond the point of PayPal (or pizza) for BTC the momentum shifted to something that is more to do with an individual making money for themselves from bounties and signature campaigns rather than contributing for the better of the community as a whole. I am not saying there is anything wrong with that but if the whole premise of using this forum is based on making an income for the individual it no longer is about what it originally set out to be. It was mentioned before if signature campaigns were removed from this forum in the hope of cleaning it up, there would be almost nobody left to post and it would render the forum effectively as a museum (as you put it). Title: Re: Forum Menbership- 3.5m registered only 56k members survived?..... Why? Post by: Bushdark on June 01, 2023, 11:41:44 AM We are in a bear market, that's why, when btc wakes up and the altseason kicks in then the forum will fill again with ppl, new fresh ones wondering what bitcoin is and many old ones trying to ride the wave, and sure the scammers too. During the bull market is when we are going to see high number of people coming to the forum for many reasons. Some may decided to check the forum for news about the next direction Bitcoin will be hitting while others might come because of other reasons. Since the market is not as bullish like the normal bullish market, many are off the forum in search of good altcoin projects they can put there money. There are different phase and period that people like coming to the forum and I think it is not yet time since the bull trend is still loading to come up. The more people are coming to the forum, same thing happens to those that are here getting tired and want to leave. Thats happen on every cycle... Title: Re: Forum Menbership- 3.5m registered only 56k members survived?..... Why? Post by: Igebotz on June 01, 2023, 08:28:36 PM And for this reason 56k active members is too many. We need to cut that number down to about 10k; I reckon half the people logging onto the forum at any given moment are either at or below this level of comprehension. Well, the 56k active accounts were for those who logged in (without posting) and those who posted at least one post in the last three months, but when I drill down to only users who posted at least one post, the number was around 21k active members (somewhere on this thread), and that wasn't enough, so I later drill down to the last 30 days and only 5k members were active (more than 30% are bounty hunters, 70% genuine members). So, realistically, the forum has 5-6k active members per month, which is around 2% of the active users on r/bitcoin (reddit). Also, a lot of guests/passerbys simply don't want to wade through the enormous ton of shitposts to find the occasional nugget of interesting information. That's probably the main reason why regular people - who aren't interested in making money from the forum - don't sign up and contribute. From the outside looking in its an absolute spamfest. There is always going to be a shit poster on every topic of discussions, be it on Twitter, Facebook, reddit or wherever so i don't think that spam is the driving force here. Can you provide links to where have people gone to discuss crypto related matters? Apart from "altcoinstalks" and "cryptotalk" there is not much that comes to mind except occasional questions you might find on "stackoverflow" The majority of real Bitcoiners are now on Twitter, where much of the discussion takes place with less spam.. Title: Re: Forum Menbership- 3.5m registered only 56k members survived?..... Why? Post by: dewez on June 01, 2023, 08:49:18 PM i do think there should be a static 728x60 banner on all pages thats available only for members to buy, to promote their own projects/programs. i think the userbase is active enough in the btc space to float a members only ad buy. I don't know if you were around at the time, but there used to be an option for one to advertise their service using Ad banners. The ad spaces would be auctioned periodically, and the winners would have an opportunity to have their service banner delayed in the ad spaces Theymos, however, suspended ad sales for a few reasons he mentioned, you can check out this post; https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5407725.msg60976136#msg60976136 yeah, after posting i read about that. i understand his concern with the time it takes to see if its real etc.. but if it was from only members, sr. members+, that issue would vanish. but regardless i get it.. the hosting+bw bill can't be too crazy with a forum, it's actually kinda dope there are no ads. Title: Re: Forum Menbership- 3.5m registered only 56k members survived?..... Why? Post by: CryptSafe on June 02, 2023, 12:33:04 PM Very nicely said, of recent I have been against the rate at which accounts get banned or destroyed from the forum. We should introduced some new laws like instead of strictly banning people for mistakes they deliberately or not deliberately make, we can make them lose their signature privilege for some amount of months or years. We tried it with highly productive members when caught with plagiarism so we should introduced same rules for other offends or look for other solution if we want to keep this forum alive. We drive away lots of talents that would have added to the community when we just banned them out of the forum for been ignorant. There is no atom of doubt in your findings and suggestions mate. Constant banning of accounts will generate to more creating of accounts by these same persons and making them to continue spamming the platform while some would leave as you have said causing loss to the platform as well. Some of these accounts being banned belongs to well talented individuals who could have added more value through their contributions in research findings, innovations and in other aspects of digital and technological development. As you have suggested, placing restrictions on accounts from partaking in signatures for a specific time would be ok than taking full wrath on them by placing a ban on them for their actions. Sometimes they might not intentionally have done it and maybe out of mistake or ignorance they could not have known what they are doing which resulted to their banning and this makes them curious about this platform. A special tag for account on restriction can be placed on them so managers could see it and know if they eventually apply for campaign. With this restriction tag, the abnormal account holders with such act would definitely be called to order. Title: Re: Forum Menbership- 3.5m registered only 56k members survived?..... Why? Post by: JollyGood on June 02, 2023, 01:37:13 PM Twitter has come a long way in the pecking order for Bitcoin and crypto enthusiasts in general because once upon a time it was not the place to be for those types of discussions.
What are your views on the Altcoinstalk and Cryptotalk forums specifically about why crypto enthusiasts do (or do not) use them? It has to be realated to something beyond spam and content quality because those issues are being suffered in this forum too. Can you provide links to where have people gone to discuss crypto related matters? Apart from "altcoinstalks" and "cryptotalk" there is not much that comes to mind except occasional questions you might find on "stackoverflow" The majority of real Bitcoiners are now on Twitter, where much of the discussion takes place with less spam..Title: Re: Forum Menbership- 3.5m registered only 56k members survived?..... Why? Post by: Igebotz on June 02, 2023, 02:59:06 PM Twitter has come a long way in the pecking order for Bitcoin and crypto enthusiasts in general because once upon a time it was not the place to be for those types of discussions. What are your views on the Altcoinstalk and Cryptotalk forums specifically about why crypto enthusiasts do (or do not) use them? It has to be realated to something beyond spam and content quality because those issues are being suffered in this forum too. Can you provide links to where have people gone to discuss crypto related matters? Apart from "altcoinstalks" and "cryptotalk" there is not much that comes to mind except occasional questions you might find on "stackoverflow" The majority of real Bitcoiners are now on Twitter, where much of the discussion takes place with less spam..I ported my BTT to Altcointalk a few years ago when I was still an SR member here and I can confidently tell you that I didn't stay for more than a week before abandoning my account and leaving the forum, the place is total hell for those that want to discuss bitcoin, its more about shitcoin speculation forum, same with Cryptotalk where they paid members to post with some shitty token, it was in Satoshi in the early days but now they created a worthless token and that's whats holding some members over there. The majority of Altcointalk's Hero and Legendary members are banned BTT users who port their rank to Altcointalk. (Account transfer is no longer permitted.) Title: Re: Forum Menbership- 3.5m registered only 56k members survived?..... Why? Post by: BenCodie on June 02, 2023, 03:01:24 PM It probably is a mix of all of the reasons, my opinion is rated for each (in terms of activity)
unfriendly environment for Newbies/users ? While I don't think that this should deter new users from participating in the forum, I would say it would be a 5-15% factor in whether they do or not. Unfriendliness toward newbies isn't rampant, but it is obvious that higher ranked members talk down on newbies (only because there are so many malicious newbies so the rank is probably negatively stained in members' subconscious) DT members oppression ? ( so much red than green these days) I would say this is a 5-10% factor, maybe less than unfriendliness. It takes a lot to be tagged red, usually it is not by mistake. I do think that newbies/low rank members would just create a new account instead of redeeming themselves, over the years I am sure this would have added to the count quite a lot. The merit system (high demands for quality) ? This is probably (and sadly) 15-20% of the reason. It's definitely not a bad thing that it is this way, but I am sure that it deters some newbies from venturing outside of coming here to ask the questions they want to ask, then leaving...in comparison to actually being active members of the forum. The moderation/rules ( using the ban button more often) ? I don't think this is a factor. People are only usually banned for serious offenses like plagiarism and abusing functions of the forum/spamming. Low Bitcoin adoption ? 0-25%. The range would vary based on where we are in each 4 year cycle ::) You're also forgetting that people simply forget their login information. I believe that a lot of accounts would fit into this category in the 15 year life of the forum. Title: Re: Forum Menbership- 3.5m registered only 56k members survived?..... Why? Post by: Rikafip on June 02, 2023, 04:35:32 PM Voted "others" because I think that you didn't include the most obvious reason why so few people are still active here, and that is a simple fact that forum are not as popular as they used to be in the past and bitcointalk is not any different than any other forum around.
I mean there are other reasons (low signal to noise ratio, not having mobile friendly version, younger generations preferring faster way if communication etc) but I think that's the one that is affecting numbers the most. Title: Re: Forum Menbership- 3.5m registered only 56k members survived?..... Why? Post by: JollyGood on June 02, 2023, 04:46:41 PM Cryptotalk was always synonymous with spamming and low-level posting and that was from the days it was being promoted in this forum by the Yobit team (if memory serves correct Yobit own/operate Cryptotalk).
As for Altcointalk, I never used it but did have a brief look at it to see what it was about and it seems to be nothing special but from the outside looking in this forum will probably be seen as nothing special too. I guess Twitter it is then ;D I ported my BTT to Altcointalk a few years ago when I was still an SR member here and I can confidently tell you that I didn't stay for more than a week before abandoning my account and leaving the forum, the place is total hell for those that want to discuss bitcoin, its more about shitcoin speculation forum, same with Cryptotalk where they paid members to post with some shitty token, it was in Satoshi in the early days but now they created a worthless token and that's whats holding some members over there. The majority of Altcointalk's Hero and Legendary members are banned BTT users who port their rank to Altcointalk. (Account transfer is no longer permitted.) Title: Re: Forum Menbership- 3.5m registered only 56k members survived?..... Why? Post by: ImThour on June 02, 2023, 04:47:41 PM Interesting data, most of the banned accounts are for many reasons, and the major reason out of all those will be the Multiaccount of a similar person.
Imagine if this forum had KYC required to create your account. That 3.5 million registration will be impossible to achieve. I would say umm almost 1 million accounts are original. Rest 2.5 million are multi-accounts of those 1 million. Title: Re: Forum Menbership- 3.5m registered only 56k members survived?..... Why? Post by: Rikafip on June 02, 2023, 05:02:35 PM Imagine if this forum had KYC required to create your account. That 3.5 million registration will be impossible to achieve. I would say umm almost 1 million accounts are original. Rest 2.5 million are multi-accounts of those 1 million. First of all, if this forum ever had KYC, it would be already dead. Regarding your estimate, I think that its very optimistic to think that 1 million different people actually registered account here. Based from what I've seen around here, my guesstimate is that number of alts are in the region of 90%. |
