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I've updated the currency list in my Save old Cars shopping cart, and I've managed to include a glyph for Bitcoin. I've also added Satoshi as an alternative currency, but I can't find any concencus on a glyph to use as the currency symbol, so I'm having to use the string "SAT". Is there likely to be any agreement for a glyph in the near future?

I quite like the symbol suggested by satsymbol.com, as it is close to the chinese character meaning bountiful.

I've never seen one for "sat".

I don't like this one.

I also checked and there have not been any consensus among the community on the design of the glyph. The website satsymbol.com is promoting this glyph design  
https://www.talkimg.com/images/2023/06/19/HGnAa.jpeg.
This is the first time I am seeing this design which means that it is still unpopular. The bitcoin glyph BTC, got the right attention and recognition because it was proposed by the founder (the images are now invalid) https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=64.msg504#msg504.

https://s3.cointelegraph.com/uploads/2022-06/72e2c057-b2b0-4d92-b4cf-2adbea0d851c.png
It will take the support of a well known figure in the bitcoin industry to propose a design and gain the needed support. The meaning of glyph proposed by satsymbol.com is wonderful but I think the design should have an 'S' sign which is the first alphabet of Satoshi as in the case of most currencies.

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcS4iZMJ3vfx4_6ZYvR9FIFUvgQ848srdIiGlA&usqp=CAU

Picture sources:
https://cointelegraph.com/news/the-btc-origin-story-who-designed-the-bitcoin-logo
https://static.news.bitcoin.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/10/symb.jpg
https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcS4iZMJ3vfx4_6ZYvR9FIFUvgQ848srdIiGlA&usqp=CAU

Maybe we can use $ for sats once the dollar guys no longer need it :P
Or "Bitcoin Sats": BTC$ :D I couldn't find an ascii $ with 2 vertical lines, that would be even better.

Bitcoin Design (Units and Symbols) (https://bitcoin.design/guide/designing-products/units-and-symbols/)
Satoshi (unit) (https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Satoshi_(unit)). It has a table of some proposed symbols but I don't like any of them.

sat is like a under capitalized version of SAT  :D

May be we should create completely new symbol for the Satoshi. Using the existing one mean nothing much but copy pasting the symbols. No Latin, chinese, mythological symbols; we should go all in with the new symbol. I think mixing up the names, may be some technical word from the mining operation, or program that we could find on the Satoshi paper should be used.

We have seen repeated currency symbol just updated with slight designs so they are mostly boring. For example someone might just come up with “S” which is put in horizontal and making it new Satoshi symbol.

We should host contest in Meta section for this new glyph. 😋

Haha interestind topic. Not a fan of most of the proposals, but maybe it just needs getting used to.
I agree with Flexystar - a completely new symbol seems more appropriate than something lended from the Japanese language.
These symbols are just too funny, though: ㋛ シ

No symbol is needed than the BTC logo in orange color. 1 sat can be represented in 10 nano bitcoin (nBTC). People will just need to be acquainted with that.

We have mBTC used very well day. Followed by μBTC. For bitcoin amount small like sat, it should be represented in something like 1 sat equals 10 nBTC.

1 sat equals 10 nBTC. It is uncommon to use nBTC.

--Knight Hider

I think it will get too complex to use milli- or pico- as prefixes to the Bitcoin logo. I'm just going to have to stay with "SAT" until there is a new standard. I don't think that I'll be adding any alts, but I mauy have to add the new CBDC when it arrives. I'm tempted to include gold or silver, but I guess that would mean sovereigns.

I think we can make that symbol with some graphic design skills. Only a single S is quite preferable symbol of Satoshi rather than SAT, I'm sorry I'm not against SAT, but that sounds unprofessional is quite similar to the SAT tests kind of thing. I'll give it a try and update my reply when I'm done. I'm not good at graphic design by any means, but giving it a try won't cost me anything, and who knows someone with better graphic design skills can create a quite useful one after being inspired by my version.

I'm still partial to μBTC.  Having the two units after the decimal place, tenths and hundredths, is what most people have become accustomed to when looking at the price of goods and services.

You could price something as 361350 satoshi, but in my mind, 3613.50 μBTC looks more recognisable and familiar.

That was a mistake from my calculation, you are correct.

Satoshi do not need a symbol, it is better for bitcoin to have only the symbol pertaining to bitcoin, representing it in 'sat' will be very perfect.

I've had some further thoughts on this, especially in relation to Sterling. If I want to list an item for 5 pounds, then I can print £5, but if it is only 5 pence, then I can list it as 5p. I'm going to adopt the same concept with Satoshi. ie. 50 Satoshi will be 50s. I'm hoping that this won't appear similar to 505 in some fonts.

If you guys want to  see how this works, then you can check the currency button in the top right hand corner of the cart home page -
The Save old Cars cart with Bitcoin and Satoshi payment options (https://saveoldcars.com/theshop/index.php?)

I think I’d rather adopt a sat/sats than a s.
Gets me confused. Send me back the 1900s. It’s weird  :D

You know what Loyce, you may actually be onto something! BTC$ .. kinda looks like BS standing for BullShit.. get it? O0

Because I know I often have dry jokes nobody gets: B (BTC) stands for bull, S (dollar) stands for shit..

§ could be a sat candidate

commonly its used for individually numbered sections of a document. but can be tweaked to refer to individual units of a bitcoin(aka sats)

or even ⓢ

my personal preference is a design of the @ 'at' symbol but with a 'S' instead of an 'a' in the center of the 'at' sign. so that its a 'sat'


what is needed when deciding on a icon/glyth for sats, is a symbol thats easily available as a copy and pasted ascii symbol

Hey Jet Cash this one sounds promising to me. I have found some symbols that you can consider instead of simple "s" and they might be helpful for you. I will paste the links of the sites that are offering those 's' symbols which are better than simple written "s." Here is an example of one such symbol 50ṩ and I'm quite sure that no one will see it as 505 in some fonts. Here are the links of the symbols.

https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Appendix:Variations_of_%22s%22 (https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Appendix:Variations_of_%22s%22)
https://www.i2symbol.com/abc-123/s
 (https://www.i2symbol.com/abc-123/s)

That's really BS (not bull shit). LOL.
Why can't we keep it really simple and follow the same design pattern as the symbol bitcoin.
For example: the one is below is a good resemblance according to me

https://talkimg.com/images/2023/06/19/HMsS9.png (https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fpreview.redd.it%2Fcc8yu134gxj21.png%3Fwidth%3D640%26crop%3Dsmart%26auto%3Dwebp%26s%3Df808b98202ff7eec5def86ea6ef7320ad2d3e61a&f=1&nofb=1&ipt=c09912bd2d2bbb1371283be3be70d3c873adb5416b2ade4f06c7f6b3eeb59476&ipo=images)

Thanks SanReomo. I decided to take your advice and use the small "s" with the two dots. I set it as a prefix rather than a suffix as well. Once I've got this concept stabilised in my head. I'll adds a descriptive page to guide potential users. I'd be grateful for some more opinions though.

I've found another problem with the conversion. The cart only allows 5 decimal places for the conversion rate. When Bitcoin increases in value ( as it is sure to do ) then the Bitcoin value is going to be approximate.

If I'm not mistaken, and it's a symbol that will be suitable for Satoshi that you guys are discussing about here, I just designed this symbol below which I think will be of best option, since it has similarities with that of Bitcoin, (and Sat is the smallest indivisible unit of Bitcoin, which having a "S" with 2 vertical lines up and down without crossing the middle makes more sense).

https://talkimg.com/images/2023/06/19/HMjmm.jpeg

You are most welcome bro! Yeah, setting it as prefix is also a quite good choice and it will appear very nice on the cart. But, I recommend you to try both the suffix version as well the prefix version, and whichever of them appears better, you should lock that one as the final choice. The final decision is yours my friend because you can decide best for your site.

Regarding the issue of decimal places you could check the API of the cart system and if it allows modifications  then you can modify it and increase the limit. You should also try to find plugins that might allow to extend the limit to higher number of decimal places. If none of those is helpful then you may hire a temporary developer who could add that extension to your current cart system, but I'm sure you won't need the developer for that because you'll sort it out yourself.

I have found that in Woocommerce admin user can increase the number of decimal places to 7 or maybe more. I have done some research on Google to find that how we could possibly change the number of decimal places in a shopping cart and after reading many articles and stackoverflow posts I have found something that could be useful for you.

Following are some links that you should read:

https://stackoverflow.com/questions/49550127/change-number-of-decimals-in-woocommerce-cart-totals (https://stackoverflow.com/questions/49550127/change-number-of-decimals-in-woocommerce-cart-totals)
https://wordpress.org/support/topic/override-decimal-places-in-cart/ (https://wordpress.org/support/topic/override-decimal-places-in-cart/)

I hope you will sort out the problem yourself after reading those posts. Best of luck Jet Cash, and if you need further support then feel free to ask questions here or in inbox. I would love to help you as much as I possibly can!

It's commendable that you're integrating Bitcoin and Satoshi into your platform – a testament to the growing influence of crypto. Using "SAT" as a placeholder does make sense, however, it might not resonate universally, so your concerns are justified.

About satsymbol.com's proposal, it's indeed aesthetically pleasing and culturally significant. Yet, consensus, especially in a decentralized environment like crypto, is often elusive. That being said, I remain optimistic. We, as part of the crypto community, can voice our preferences and expedite the process. I encourage you to continue your efforts to support Bitcoin and other cryptocurrencies. You are one of the bravest

I've never liked "micro" as a unit. When you write "3613.50 μBTC", I convert it in my mind to "3.6135 mBTC", and then know that's about $90 (preev.com: $96.95, so close enough). One of the problems with "micro" is that you can't easily type it, and it ends up as "uBTC" which is technically incorrect.
Another name for "μBTC" is "bits", but that doesn't have "Bitcoin" in the name anymore.

The problem with "5p" is that it may be common in England, the rest of the world doesn't know what it is. To me, "50s" looks like "50 seconds", and I don't think we should use an existing SI-unit for something else.

Yes, thank you for explaining my own joke to me :P Lol.
It's not only meant as a joke though: a joke could help to quickly gain popularity.

I hadn't thought of it this way, and I don't think most people will go this far.

I like it, but without the cursive, and bold: Ⓢ

That could work :)

This is the best I've seen so far :)

AFAIK, the fiat currencies don't have a separate symbol for their coins, for example cents or eurocents.
Why should the Satoshi have a separate symbol? Can't we just use the Bitcoin symbol to represent satoshis as well?
If there's a voting poll for choosing a Satoshi symbol, I will vote for the Bitcoin glyph.
There's no need to overcomplicate things and overwhelm the crypto newbies with more symbols and new terms.
I don't like the satoshi symbol, which is proposed by the owner of this satsymbol.com website.

The difference is that $0.02 is much easier to read than 0.00000002BTC, and considering the much higher value of Bitcoin, amounts far behind the comma are much more common than "easier to read" amounts (like 1.2BTC).

I guess I'm going to have to think about payment methods. Cash and fiat via Faster payments are two options. The others will have to be Lightning and a Bitcoin transfer to my node wallet. All of those require manual intervention, and I won't be able to automate any of them. As I mentioned earlier, actual sales are a secondary function of the site, so this isn't too much of a problem, but it would be if I decided to create a real shopping site.

¢ = cents/eurocents
p = penny


so when someone prices their produce in sats you want customer to read that the price is in whole bitcoin, and accidentally pay the retailer in whole bitcoins because everything to the rest of the world reads as bitcoin prices..

a bitcoin symbol for sats?? seems odd
imagine i wanted to sell something for 50p.. you want it symbolically to be seen as 50£
imagine i wanted to sell something for 50¢.. you want it symbolically to be seen as 50$
imagine i wanted to sell something for 50sat.. you want it symbolically to be seen as 50BTC
because you dont like sub amount symbology.. odd thought to have and more confusing for users who may end up paying 50btc for something that should have only been 50sat


it is crap, i think micheal saylor came up with it.
but even on the website you cant just copy and paste it as a normal ascii symbol to use anywhere. as the result turns into an '!' exclamation mark

the closest i found in the ascii code was ⩧ or ≡

This reminds me: many people confuse 0.02 cents for $0.02. Considering how complicated Bitcoin decimals are already, this is probably too much to add for the average Joe.

That last one is a menu button :P

What if someone writes 0.0000749BTC? Would you guess it's $2, or does it look like $0.20 unless you accurately count the zeros?
My personal preference: my LN wallets are set in sats, all other wallets in mBTC.

Yeah, I suppose it's difficult to find something everyone would be comfortable with.  We'll just have to wait and see which method becomes ubiquitous and take it from there.



"Ⓢ@" for "sat"?  Not sure, heh.  Seems weird.

Go full circle: 1000ⓢⓐⓣ

Uffa, hadn't seen this thread and opened another one with basically the same topic cause my gf made a new design:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5461973.new#new (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5461973.new#new)