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June 19, 2023, 07:53:47 AM
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I've updated the currency list in my Save old Cars shopping cart, and I've managed to include a glyph for Bitcoin. I've also added Satoshi as an alternative currency, but I can't find any concencus on a glyph to use as the currency symbol, so I'm having to use the string "SAT". Is there likely to be any agreement for a glyph in the near future?

I quite like the symbol suggested by satsymbol.com, as it is close to the chinese character meaning bountiful.

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June 19, 2023, 08:58:55 AM
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I can't find any concencus on a glyph to use as the currency symbol
I've never seen one for "sat".

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I quite like the symbol suggested by satsymbol.com
I don't like this one.

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June 19, 2023, 09:25:32 AM
Last edit: June 19, 2023, 02:56:20 PM by Fiatless
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I've updated the currency list in my Save old Cars shopping cart, and I've managed to include a glyph for Bitcoin. I've also added Satoshi as an alternative currency, but I can't find any concencus on a glyph to use as the currency symbol, so I'm having to use the string "SAT". Is there likely to be any agreement for a glyph in the near future?

I quite like the symbol suggested by satsymbol.com, as it is close to the chinese character meaning bountiful.
I also checked and there have not been any consensus among the community on the design of the glyph. The website satsymbol.com is promoting this glyph design  
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This is the first time I am seeing this design which means that it is still unpopular. The bitcoin glyph BTC, got the right attention and recognition because it was proposed by the founder (the images are now invalid) https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=64.msg504#msg504.


It will take the support of a well known figure in the bitcoin industry to propose a design and gain the needed support. The meaning of glyph proposed by satsymbol.com is wonderful but I think the design should have an 'S' sign which is the first alphabet of Satoshi as in the case of most currencies.



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June 19, 2023, 10:38:07 AM
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Personally i'd choose symbol which can be read as "S".
Maybe we can use $ for sats once the dollar guys no longer need it Tongue
Or "Bitcoin Sats": BTC$ Cheesy I couldn't find an ascii $ with 2 vertical lines, that would be even better.

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June 19, 2023, 10:44:17 AM
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Bitcoin Design (Units and Symbols)
Satoshi (unit). It has a table of some proposed symbols but I don't like any of them.

sat is like a under capitalized version of SAT  Cheesy

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丰 Reminiscent of the Japanese aesthetic, the closest character being 丰 meaning: "Bountiful - abundant, lush, bountiful, plenty, luxurious growth of grass" which suggests a vast amount of Satoshi are still left to mine. This symbol has been adopted by multiple Bitcoin services including satoshilabs.com (Trezor), SatoshiCap.net, pricedinbitcoin21.com, Thunderhub.io, bitcoinicons.com, thebitcoinmachines.com, and many more

里   In Japanese names, this character can (rarely) be read "satoshi". It is an uncommon Chinese/Japanese character on its own, and an infrequent radical (kangxi #166). It can be seen as a radical in the common kanji 理 and 量, used in meaningful words like 理想 (ideals), 理論 (theory), 理性 (reason), 理科 (science), and 量 (quantity). "Satoshi" is a rare reading; more commonly it is read as "ri" or "sato".

シ   A Japanese katakana representing the syllable "shi". Note that this character is extremely common in Japanese, so it could cause confusion. Also, it can mean "death" in Japanese and Chinese.

㋛   As above, but circled to distinguish it from the katakana.

し   As above, but this is the hiragana instead of the katakana. This is even more common than シ in Japanese writing, however.

サ     A Japanese katakana represents the syllable "sa". Maybe it looks more reminiscent of a currency symbol than others. Note that this character is extremely common in Japanese, so it could cause confusion.

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June 19, 2023, 11:23:08 AM
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May be we should create completely new symbol for the Satoshi. Using the existing one mean nothing much but copy pasting the symbols. No Latin, chinese, mythological symbols; we should go all in with the new symbol. I think mixing up the names, may be some technical word from the mining operation, or program that we could find on the Satoshi paper should be used.

We have seen repeated currency symbol just updated with slight designs so they are mostly boring. For example someone might just come up with “S” which is put in horizontal and making it new Satoshi symbol.

We should host contest in Meta section for this new glyph. 😋
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Bitcoin Design (Units and Symbols)
Satoshi (unit). It has a table of some proposed symbols but I don't like any of them.

sat is like a under capitalized version of SAT  Cheesy

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丰 Reminiscent of the Japanese aesthetic, the closest character being 丰 meaning: "Bountiful - abundant, lush, bountiful, plenty, luxurious growth of grass" which suggests a vast amount of Satoshi are still left to mine. This symbol has been adopted by multiple Bitcoin services including satoshilabs.com (Trezor), SatoshiCap.net, pricedinbitcoin21.com, Thunderhub.io, bitcoinicons.com, thebitcoinmachines.com, and many more

里   In Japanese names, this character can (rarely) be read "satoshi". It is an uncommon Chinese/Japanese character on its own, and an infrequent radical (kangxi #166). It can be seen as a radical in the common kanji 理 and 量, used in meaningful words like 理想 (ideals), 理論 (theory), 理性 (reason), 理科 (science), and 量 (quantity). "Satoshi" is a rare reading; more commonly it is read as "ri" or "sato".

シ   A Japanese katakana representing the syllable "shi". Note that this character is extremely common in Japanese, so it could cause confusion. Also, it can mean "death" in Japanese and Chinese.

㋛   As above, but circled to distinguish it from the katakana.

し   As above, but this is the hiragana instead of the katakana. This is even more common than シ in Japanese writing, however.

サ     A Japanese katakana represents the syllable "sa". Maybe it looks more reminiscent of a currency symbol than others. Note that this character is extremely common in Japanese, so it could cause confusion.

Haha interestind topic. Not a fan of most of the proposals, but maybe it just needs getting used to.
I agree with Flexystar - a completely new symbol seems more appropriate than something lended from the Japanese language.
These symbols are just too funny, though: ㋛ シ

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Last edit: June 19, 2023, 03:20:09 PM by _act_
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No symbol is needed than the BTC logo in orange color. 1 sat can be represented in 10 nano bitcoin (nBTC). People will just need to be acquainted with that.

We have mBTC used very well day. Followed by μBTC. For bitcoin amount small like sat, it should be represented in something like 1 sat equals 10 nBTC.

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1 sat equals 0.1 nBTC.
1 sat equals 10 nBTC. It is uncommon to use nBTC.

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I think it will get too complex to use milli- or pico- as prefixes to the Bitcoin logo. I'm just going to have to stay with "SAT" until there is a new standard. I don't think that I'll be adding any alts, but I mauy have to add the new CBDC when it arrives. I'm tempted to include gold or silver, but I guess that would mean sovereigns.

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I think it will get too complex to use milli- or pico- as prefixes to the Bitcoin logo. I'm just going to have to stay with "SAT" until there is a new standard. I don't think that I'll be adding any alts, but I mauy have to add the new CBDC when it arrives. I'm tempted to include gold or silver, but I guess that would mean sovereigns.

I think we can make that symbol with some graphic design skills. Only a single S is quite preferable symbol of Satoshi rather than SAT, I'm sorry I'm not against SAT, but that sounds unprofessional is quite similar to the SAT tests kind of thing. I'll give it a try and update my reply when I'm done. I'm not good at graphic design by any means, but giving it a try won't cost me anything, and who knows someone with better graphic design skills can create a quite useful one after being inspired by my version.

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I'm still partial to μBTC.  Having the two units after the decimal place, tenths and hundredths, is what most people have become accustomed to when looking at the price of goods and services.

You could price something as 361350 satoshi, but in my mind, 3613.50 μBTC looks more recognisable and familiar.

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June 19, 2023, 03:23:42 PM
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1 sat equals 0.1 nBTC.
1 sat equals 10 nBTC. It is uncommon to use nBTC.
That was a mistake from my calculation, you are correct.

I think it will get too complex to use milli- or pico- as prefixes to the Bitcoin logo. I'm just going to have to stay with "SAT" until there is a new standard. I don't think that I'll be adding any alts, but I mauy have to add the new CBDC when it arrives. I'm tempted to include gold or silver, but I guess that would mean sovereigns.
Satoshi do not need a symbol, it is better for bitcoin to have only the symbol pertaining to bitcoin, representing it in 'sat' will be very perfect.

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I've had some further thoughts on this, especially in relation to Sterling. If I want to list an item for 5 pounds, then I can print £5, but if it is only 5 pence, then I can list it as 5p. I'm going to adopt the same concept with Satoshi. ie. 50 Satoshi will be 50s. I'm hoping that this won't appear similar to 505 in some fonts.

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I think I’d rather adopt a sat/sats than a s.
Gets me confused. Send me back the 1900s. It’s weird  Cheesy

Or "Bitcoin Sats": BTC$ Cheesy I couldn't find an ascii $ with 2 vertical lines, that would be even better.
You know what Loyce, you may actually be onto something! BTC$ .. kinda looks like BS standing for BullShit.. get it?

Because I know I often have dry jokes nobody gets: B (BTC) stands for bull, S (dollar) stands for shit..
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§ could be a sat candidate

commonly its used for individually numbered sections of a document. but can be tweaked to refer to individual units of a bitcoin(aka sats)

or even

my personal preference is a design of the @ 'at' symbol but with a 'S' instead of an 'a' in the center of the 'at' sign. so that its a 'sat'


what is needed when deciding on a icon/glyth for sats, is a symbol thats easily available as a copy and pasted ascii symbol

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I've had some further thoughts on this, especially in relation to Sterling. If I want to list an item for 5 pounds, then I can print £5, but if it is only 5 pence, then I can list it as 5p. I'm going to adopt the same concept with Satoshi. ie. 50 Satoshi will be 50s. I'm hoping that this won't appear similar to 505 in some fonts.

If you guys want to  see how this works, then you can check the currency button in the top right hand corner of the cart home page -
The Save old Cars cart with Bitcoin and Satoshi payment options


Hey Jet Cash this one sounds promising to me. I have found some symbols that you can consider instead of simple "s" and they might be helpful for you. I will paste the links of the sites that are offering those 's' symbols which are better than simple written "s." Here is an example of one such symbol 50ṩ and I'm quite sure that no one will see it as 505 in some fonts. Here are the links of the symbols.

https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Appendix:Variations_of_%22s%22
https://www.i2symbol.com/abc-123/s

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Personally i'd choose symbol which can be read as "S".
Maybe we can use $ for sats once the dollar guys no longer need it Tongue
Or "Bitcoin Sats": BTC$ Cheesy I couldn't find an ascii $ with 2 vertical lines, that would be even better.

That's really BS (not bull shit). LOL.
Why can't we keep it really simple and follow the same design pattern as the symbol bitcoin.
For example: the one is below is a good resemblance according to me


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Thanks SanReomo. I decided to take your advice and use the small "s" with the two dots. I set it as a prefix rather than a suffix as well. Once I've got this concept stabilised in my head. I'll adds a descriptive page to guide potential users. I'd be grateful for some more opinions though.

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Personally i'd choose symbol which can be read as "S".
Maybe we can use $ for sats once the dollar guys no longer need it Tongue
Or "Bitcoin Sats": BTC$ Cheesy I couldn't find an ascii $ with 2 vertical lines, that would be even better.
If I'm not mistaken, and it's a symbol that will be suitable for Satoshi that you guys are discussing about here, I just designed this symbol below which I think will be of best option, since it has similarities with that of Bitcoin, (and Sat is the smallest indivisible unit of Bitcoin, which having a "S" with 2 vertical lines up and down without crossing the middle makes more sense).


 
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