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newbies who create "how to earn merit" and "how to post quality content" topics in a nutshell


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Newbies Stop Teaching When You Need To Learn (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5456580.0) and they should read before posting. (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1689727.0)

If you are referring to those who create these threads, not asking, but explaining, it is curious because it is clear that some are alts trying to fish for merit. Seeing someone who has little to no merits explain in detail in an OP how to get merits or write quality posts is a big LOL.

There are some who simply ask "How can I get merit on Bitcointalk?" and I don't predict a great future for them in this forum because they are the kind of people who expect to have everything handed to them on a platter.

There are several topics that a newbie will create that tells you that this user is not here for the knowledge that this forum has to offer instead they are here to try to milk merit and apply for one signature campaign.

Something they have failed to realized is that when they’re fixated on getting merits they’ll only end up with nothing and that’s why you see them creating thread either accusing those with smerit for being bias or claim that merit source are always meriting their alt and that’s why they (newbies ) don’t receive any merit.

Ironically this is what newbies does over here they always preached on how to earn merits while they haven't earned a single merits for long. That is what this youtuber just did while he gained less viewer. You know, sometimes life isn't balance " it's very possible for someone to come telling you do that to start driving expensive cars while they are walking on bear foot" do you think this is normal why can't they show a good example before reaching others?.

Just look at that funny picture in the OP. A carpenter who doesn't have a single chair at home. It's the same way we also see people who teach trading but can't earn profit from it to make them quit their day job and begin to elk a living from trading. It's a funny situation. I read a lot of posts like that and laugh at the hidden hypocrisy in them. This is why members here shouldn't take everything said here hook, line and sinker without verifying them.

Maybe I should come in for the newbies/teachers.
In football, we have coaches that do not know how to play and they cannot even score a goal. Yet they teach people how to play and score lots of goals. Maybe this set of newbies that teach even the legendary members should be likened to such football coaches. LOL

However, I have strong feeling that majority of such newbies are not genuinely new comers. They could be the alt account of some established members. There are still chances that some genuine newbies could start off by teaching. Myself, I  started  (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5340764.msg57114510#msg57114510) by advising legendary members ;D

It's quite hilarious considering how serious they're in trying to give helpful tips. One funny part is, they are giving these "tips" but sadly have none themselves. It's just like the pic in the Op.
To me, there's no shortcut to success and it's when something is struggled for and gotten, that's where appreciation comes in. Most newbies are of the belief that the moment they give such headings, the merits would start rushing like a tap that was just opened.  ;D .

Patience is always rewarding but most of them lack it.

Not all the threads were bad when I read them as a newbie. I sometime, after reading the topic felt that the writer behind might be a senior member disguised as a newbie. Then my suspicion would go down the drain because of spelling & grammar mistakes. I have read replies of a lot of senior members here and they are always good in writing. I would still encourage such topics as they only help new members to achieve thier goal here of gaining merits.

Thanks.

We all make different mistakes that others may find funny. But constantly making fun of newcomers because they have not yet settled in and have not learned to behave as expected, this is not very friendly.

In my opinion, opening threads just to make fun of newbies makes less sense than newbies trying to learn how to use the forum through building their own guides.

Like what do we expect from those newbies who create such topics? Is not really their fault because the merit in question is the only way to get to the next rank, without it there's no way you can rank up to the next level. Is not easy to get 1 merit as a newbie, no one knows if he or she is making out time to create the best post to get at least a merit.
Whenever we see such topics "how to earn merit" we should start screaming out loud and start complaining, to gain 1 merit as a newbie gives them joy so we shouldn't write them off, I feel they deserve that 1merit for a start.

While this is true, it is also worth stating that a newbie concern after a week of creating his or her account should not be about creating a guide on how to earn merits with them having just 5 or no merits for themselves. Aside from the fact the it’s not logical it also makes it obvious that they are fishing for merit, which could irritate some users that were supposed to merit them in the future as they start to grow here in the forum into adding them to their ignore list.

I also get the fact that most newbie come to the forum without proper education on what the forum is all about just as I did, after the forum was introduced to me I had to take my time to learn how to post and how things work here before I could join discussions here in the forum. But most newbies just don’t want to learn instead they are looking for shortcuts or buses that will take them to their destinations without them having to do anything.

I don't know about you, but if I find myself in a new social setting and I'm not entirely sure how to behave or fit in, I usually prefer to take a step back and just observe for a while. Once I feel more comfortable and understand the group dynamics better, I'll naturally start to participate more actively.


I think the point here is that these members are not really newbies, but their methods and tactics to achieve their goal are so obvious.

The newbies who create such topics often want to earn merits themselves, and I believe that such topics when created by newbies are mostly made for merit fishing purposes. If a newbie who doesn't earn enough merits creates such threads then there is no doubt that they are basically after merits, and they mostly believe that with such posts they can make reputable members as well as the merit sources to give them some merits for creation of such posts.

I think it's still okay to create such posts because those newbies may learn something by creating such posts and they will try their best to make the posts as much informative as they possibly could. I hope that such newbies may contribute betters posts to the forum because creation of such posts require efforts and when someone puts effort in something then such users often get better over time.

Thing is, "newbies" that open threads like OP mentioned ain't newbies at all but instead alt accounts that are trying to farm the merit by a most cheap and obvious way and those are the only ones that are getting ridiculed around here. Legit newbies that are asking legit newbie questions usually won't have any issues at all around here.

Btw, love the username  ;)

Maybe OP meant "newbies", but he didn't put the word in quotes. Therefore, it was not entirely clear to me that someone else was being ridiculed. Maybe.

As for me personally, I am not ready to tell someone how to do something right on the forum, even now. But all people are different, and for someone to formulate a text in public is a way of learning. By the way, I also do this sometimes, and often the errors pointed out to me give a big breakthrough in my ideas about the subject of study. So it seems to me that we should not be too strict with newbies. IMO.


Thanks!  :)

They are just trying to gain some attention with these threads as they have nothing more to achieve through their main accounts so try to make such threads in hope of getting few merits just to rank up.

The legit newbies would explore the forum first of all and search for such threads but as far as I have seen most of them keep repeating the same thing some ask and some tell with low efforts threads.

There are several reasons why beginners do it, in my opinion:
1. They don't have many other ideas.
2. They intend to share their knowledge with other beginners, of course not for other established user who are used to the merit system.
3. Trying to prove himself as a quality poster and want to get merit for his efforts.
4. Ignore the many merit threads already around them.
5. Etc

Established users might consider it a wasted effort considering there were many other merit threads before the new one was created, but would also probably consider it not a real newbie but an established user hiding behind a newbie account.

None of them are newbies here on the forum. It is always an additional account of someone who is definitely already present on the forum. Whether the motive is to make money through signature campaigns or just simple farming, it is not so important.
Those who are really newbies here, mostly come because they have a problem, or to offer a service of their own. A small percentage comes from pure curiosity and a desire to learn something more.

this reminds me of a user who talked about how plagiarism is bad and should be avoided, and then he got caught and reported plagiarising and then get banned because of it. I don't disagree with what he said but it's funny getting caught and banned for doing the things you warned people not to do.

Merit is both totally lame and kind of cool at the same time.  It gives people a goal to work towards, which is always nice.  However, it also makes people a little crazy.  I get that the main purpose is to be able to join a signature campaign (which is lame) but if there are any people out there who genuinely enjoy ranking up like this is a video game, that's cool.  I honestly don't like the system because it's somewhat of a circle jerk among some of the members here who seem to use it to gauge their value, but without it this place would probably be a ghost town of only members who actually care about Bitcoin, of which there are not too many of us left here.

First point - beginners tend to be blamed for what they do.
If a newbie came along and answered a difficult question of a technical nature - many would say that was Legendary incarnate.

While if newbies come with some common threads like about merit system - that too will be related to some stuff. I think it's a dynamic that happens a lot in forums - but I don't think all newbies are to blame for wanting and trying to get merit. If they could be blamed - I don't think we need to burn them alive without giving him a solutions.

The question is why would a newbie even come to the forum and begin to create this kind of topic, even if the newbie was referred to the forum by a friend who really told them how the forum works. But it's not ethical to just come aboard as a newbie and Begin to claim that he or she knows everything. That's why most of them easily get on the ignor list of memebers who can even give them merit, and later on you will still see that memeber who created topics like that may still be the one to complain of how they have not been receiving merit. Even those fellow newbies who they seem to be teaching will earn more merit quickly than them; it's just funny.

The campaign coupled with the merit are those things that excite many users in this forum, no doubt that's what makes many members to forget the main reason why they're here but I assure you that we still have about 85% of the members who still care about Bitcoin.
We also have members who there intentions are not that pure in this forum that's why we have complains about scammers, account farmers and all that, those are the ones that don't care about what goes on in this Forum concerning Bitcoin. So I think is not really about ranking up and joining campaign to some, is all about what goes on here.

Yes, well, speaking of curious cases, there have also been some cases of people protesting in the Reputation section for a tag (sometimes even for a neutral tag) that what they have done with it is to draw the attention of the DTs, who ended up discovering more dishonest behaviors such as ban evading, merit abusing, etc. and ended up with many more red tags.


Well, as I said, I believe that in most cases they are alts. The simplest explanation is usually the correct one and in this case it is simpler to think that there is someone who knows the forum and knows that merits are usually given to newbies in the B&H section, who tries to farm up another account with threads like that to get merit. That it is a new person on the forum who makes that kind of thread because he was referred to the forum by a friend seems unlikely to me. 

Yes, yes, I remember your textbooks ;). Nevertheless, few teachers keep their word and do not give up on the forum. Newbies know the theory and may be genuinely trying to "help" the forum, but as practice suffers, we see hundreds of tutorials from "underage" gurus.


This is normal behavior that is usually characteristic of people who are interested in the place where they go. Even offline, we try to look around in the society where we appear for the first time.


But because newcomers come with the intention of only "earning money", they are in a hurry to raise their rank and thus look very funny and naive.

Totally agree with you. I experienced it. I think it's quite difficult being a beginner here. You will be considered an alt if you know too much, and you will be considered a signature campaign hunter if you seek merit.

So, maybe it's better if the beginner has no merit. Then the competition in the signature campaign will not be difficult. After all, there is business here, and most people don't want their income to be disrupted. I'm starting to know how these forums work, and I found out quite late

I came to this forum via my big brother. Currently he is a Hero ranked member. Like most newbies I too wanted to rank like others. But he said to observe and learn. Merits will come eventually if you are qualified. Also I don't have much activity and I'm nearly 0 to merit and  I have joined for maybe 1year I guess. I'm still learning. As you said out of pure curiosity and desire to learn. So I guess I'll stick to that. I recently received 1 merit and I can't tell you how happy/cheerful/joyful I was. Really can't express the feeling. 

To earn merit you need to be a good quality postman first. When new members make good quality posts, their posts will be noticed by senior members and senior members must give merit to the new member in considering the post.  

If earning merit is the main objective then many times many new members resort to various scams. As they directly copy and paste someone else's post, those who do this should be careful because copy post will never bring good to your account. Even if it takes time, one should always move forward by adopting the righteous path. Since each topic has a separate section, it should not take a new member much time to understand everything about the forum.  

If a new member shows keen interest to know about all the topics then I believe that new member will definitely learn about these topics and later informative posts will surely earn his account merit.

Well, I was just saying that it could be a case of reference, but I might be wrong. It really could be an Alt account, like you said. But it's even foolish of those Alt account owners to come with a new account and begin to make some topics like that; that makes it obvious for them to be suspected as Alts, and sometimes they still foolishly end up casing the two accounts to be linked and both being tage, leaving them (account owners) under the sun. There was also a thread a newbie created (I can't remember the topic), which resulted in a series of arguments that it was an altcoin. Out of curiosity, I had to go on YouTube to see if there was really any video tutorial on how to use the forum, and guess what? I saw some videos. It made me think that some newbies might also have looked up some videos on YouTube or any other source before they came to the forum. Or don't you think so, sir?

I totally agreed with you, I can basically use myself as a case study although it was that very neither did I focused my efforts towards earning merits rather, to be useful and to start creating quality post. Yes of a true after self development I noticed something very swiftly upon me that is so dynamically even I myself can't actually give an adequate answer or reply to what happened to me but I just found myself where I am now.
So, this is to show that putting efforts towards earning merits isn't the ultimate goal and game because people who doesn't want to be useful to the forum might easily come to spam by asking silly questions just as it is related to what op posted here.

Even as that they would come to educate people main while these sets of newbies are meant to seat their ass down to upgrade their wisdom bank before having to come teach people, maybe having to lived by an example also shows a good demonstration of what they are saying or about to do. Yet what do we see, is just newbie wanting the legendary position overnight without having to work on or having t reap where they sow..

... Although I understand that is not easy any way but they always had this mindsets that stages are too difficulty to scale through why because they've refused to focused and bridged the gape between being a dedicated member and a hunter, of course hunters do not have this time to spend in becoming resourceful to the community rather are only centered on a self and immediate gain that is why today we find most newbies facing serious challenging over here.

Instead they always needs a shortcut to bycut the whole process without knowing that they must follow the sequence of the game to be able to gain the required knowledge to be able to scale through forum,. Look those who devoted their time to become resourceful, I mean to focused their efforts on knowing things about the forum never faced any difficulties to either gets to the new rank or easily earned merits which they so much desired. From today I have understand that the forum isn't for the weak or for the dull people.

If you see the later videos of this guy, he got some views. So one can always learn from mistakes and improve.

What if they're really curious about, plus saying that you don't expect anything from them but failure is what makes it hard for newbies to even set their foot in the platform, a lot of you veteran users are too hostile when they ask what you consider dumb questions, of course they're dumb inquiries sometimes but you don't really have to reply if you're not answering the question anyway.

This meme never gets old but sadly the original video is already not available which he should probably reach his goal of 1M views if he never take it down even though he accomplished it more than 3 days.

Update on this guy, He still doesn’t reach the 1 million views target until now.  :D You can watch his new channel here https://youtu.be/zu3ETGSOLf4

Back to the topic. Just like the meme, It’s very convenient to create tutorial of something as content for possible merit that’s why many newbie choose this path as shorcut to acquire merits.