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Title: Gambling with entropy (Chaos)
Post by: seoincorporation on September 10, 2023, 08:26:46 PM
I have been developing gambling bots in the past years and what I have learned is that we will never have an always-win bot, doesn't matter the method, you will always lose in the long run.

But I have learned other things too... Like variance is the worst enemy for casinos (Big bets winning while low bets losing), and streaks come like waves. So, lose while betting low and win while betting win. I know is easy to say but we don't know when the next good wave will come. That's why we should add some chaos to our strategy.

I have been talking about my weird betting methods in the past:

Chasing a x330,000
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5406456.0

My new favorite betting method.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5461882.0

Both of them are good chaos examples, on the first one we have a bot who was making 20bets/sec. until hit x330,000 and the second one is a bot that gives you x1.5 of the lost amount after a hit.

But this time I decided to take the chaos to another level, I made a bot to hit x3300, and these are the rules:

1.- Divide Balance / 1500
2.- Bet on: x3300, x8.25, x3300,x8.25.... until hit x3300
3.- Random Hi/Lo
4.- When the balance get's down to 75% bet amount goes x2
4.- When the balance get's down to 50% bet amount goes x4

Proof of hits:
https://just-dice.com/roll/6141329807
https://just-dice.com/roll/6140238438

https://talkimg.com/images/2023/09/10/mWV48.png

https://talkimg.com/images/2023/09/10/mW1Rw.png

UPDATE: Here is the source code.

Code:
var chance = 5.8; var a = 1; divider=1500;
var balance = parseFloat(document.getElementById('pct_balance').value);
var target = balance*2;
var b = ((balance/divider).toFixed(8));
var mybet;
document.getElementById('pct_chance').value = chance;
parseFloat(document.getElementById('pct_bet').value = b);
function dobet(){
balancez = document.getElementById('pct_balance').value;
var stuit = document.getElementById('pct_bet').value;
var count = document.getElementById("nonce").innerText;
    if(count%2==0){
        document.getElementById('pct_chance').value = 0.030;
    }else{
        document.getElementById('pct_chance').value = 12.0;     
    }
if (mybet==null) {
mybet = stuit;
}
if (((balancez*1.25)<balance)&&(balancez<balance)) {
mybet = b*2;
}
if (((balancez*1.5)<balance)&&(balancez<balance)) {
mybet = b*4;
}
if (balancez>balance*1.2) {
    balance = balancez;
    b = ((balance/divider).toFixed(8));
    mybet = b;
}
if (balancez>=target) {
return;
}
if (a==0) {
return;
}
balancez = document.getElementById('pct_balance').value;
parseFloat(document.getElementById('pct_bet').value = ((mybet*1).toFixed(8)));
Math.random() < 0.5 ? $('#a_hi').click() : $('#a_lo').click();
}
setInterval(() => dobet(), 40);


Title: Re: Gambling with entropy (Chaos)
Post by: Aanuoluwatofunmi on September 10, 2023, 09:21:00 PM
I have been developing gambling bots in the past years and what I have learned is that we will never have an always-win bot, doesn't matter the method, you will always lose in the long run.

I wish all bot users cab see this to learn from, because some will emphatically told you that they cannot be fulfilled without going through the use of bot, yet when they give a try on anyone they found out that there's nothing much it has to offer than what they have already been used to, we seems not been satisfied in some cases not until we get some things done in other to get our satisfaction over it be it good or bad consequence on us, for someone like me, i may adopt the use of bot but ot in bettings that i do.


Title: Re: Gambling with entropy (Chaos)
Post by: yahoo62278 on September 10, 2023, 10:48:13 PM
What is the total profit so far? Can clams even be traded on any exchanges these days? Last I knew shapeshift was the only place to get them, but maybe you know of another exchange?


Title: Re: Gambling with entropy (Chaos)
Post by: seoincorporation on September 11, 2023, 12:48:37 AM
What is the total profit so far?
I have been betting on that site for years, and my profit after 1,189,133 bets is 3,126.71 clams until today.

My profit from staking on the site is 200.36 clams as you can see in the image:

https://talkimg.com/images/2023/09/11/62dvb.png

And I have done staking on my own core for a profit close to 1500 or more in the past years.

Right now I'm not holding a big amount, my server has 4471 for staking, and I'm getting 1 clam/day.

Can clams even be traded on any exchanges these days? Last I knew shapeshift was the only place to get them, but maybe you know of another exchange?

There are 2 options for trading clams nowadays:

https://altquick.com/exchange/market/Clamcoin
https://freiexchange.com/market/CLAM/BTC

It still low as hell, but maybe one day a whale decide to have fun with the markets, lol.

But to be clear, this is not about the coin, is about gambling and the chaos on bets. Maybe a bot like this for Stake would be nice.



Title: Re: Gambling with entropy (Chaos)
Post by: yahoo62278 on September 11, 2023, 01:02:22 AM


But to be clear, this is not about the coin, is about gambling and the chaos on bets. Maybe a bot like this for Stake would be nice.


Yes, I know. I was just curious as to how well the bot was performing and if most this profit was from specifically botting or some manual betting tossed in there? I wasn't trying to derail by talking about the coin itsself.


Title: Re: Gambling with entropy (Chaos)
Post by: Porfirii on September 11, 2023, 04:56:56 AM
Seoincorporation, I'm happy to see that you follow with your experiment and that it is granting you several moments of joy. If I'm not wrong, you got with your system more than double the clams than staking through the years, isn't it?

I hope you good luck and clams going to the moon soon. Just make sure you don't lose them in a losing spree in the casino while in auto-pilot ;)


Title: Re: Gambling with entropy (Chaos)
Post by: Kakmakr on September 11, 2023, 05:55:40 AM
Well, just based on my own understanding of how betting works, there should be no patterns at all... that would create any "waves"  ::)  In theory all bets are unique and it does not look at previous bets from the past. It should in theory take the "Client" seed and the Random number generator and the "Server" seed and then generate the outcome. 

I have tested almost every "Dice" strategy that has been posted online and also some bots and none of them are giving any good results in the long run.... the casino always win over time.  :P


Title: Re: Gambling with entropy (Chaos)
Post by: davis196 on September 11, 2023, 06:31:22 AM
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But I have learned other things too... Like variance is the worst enemy for casinos (Big bets winning while low bets losing), and streaks come like waves. So, lose while betting low and win while betting win. I know is easy to say but we don't know when the next good wave will come. That's why we should add some chaos to our strategy.

"Chaos" and "strategy" are two words that shouldn't be added in the same sentence. ;D
Having an actual strategy excludes the possibility of relying on random results(or chaos as you say).
I agree that big bets that are winning are the worst enemy of every casino, but in the long run almost all bets are losing and the casinos try everything they can to keep the gamblers playing and betting as long as possible. The worst enemy of every casino is the gambler, who wins big, withdraws his money/coins and leaves the casino. ;D
I don't agree that winning steaks come like waves. This isn't statistically proven and it seems more like a gambler's delusion to me.


Title: Re: Gambling with entropy (Chaos)
Post by: Oshosondy on September 11, 2023, 07:08:27 AM
There are different strategies that some gamblers will have and develop for themselves in a way to earn more than they can lose, but with all strategies that we are using, let us know that we may lose at anytime. Because a strategy works for us the first, second and third time, that does not still mean the strategy can be efficient enough to continue to let us win than lose. What I am only saying is that we should gamble wisely and responsibly.


Title: Re: Gambling with entropy (Chaos)
Post by: BitcoinPanther on September 11, 2023, 08:10:03 AM
Well, just based on my own understanding of how betting works, there should be no patterns at all... that would create any "waves"  ::)  In theory all bets are unique and it does not look at previous bets from the past. It should in theory take the "Client" seed and the Random number generator and the "Server" seed and then generate the outcome. 

I have tested almost every "Dice" strategy that has been posted online and also some bots and none of them are giving any good results in the long run.... the casino always win over time.  :P

@OP is overwhelming the game with many bets in different variance.  It is obvious that with so many bets with variance, one of them will hit huge.  I also don't think that anyone can guess the next pattern (if there is) so the idea given by @OP is somehow very hard.  Though it is very interesting that OP is able to walk the talk since he has proof that in a way it is possible.  The problem would be the timing of huge bet to win huge, since we all know any result in gambling is random though the numbers will fix that.
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But I have learned other things too... Like variance is the worst enemy for casinos (Big bets winning while low bets losing), and streaks come like waves. So, lose while betting low and win while betting win. I know is easy to say but we don't know when the next good wave will come. That's why we should add some chaos to our strategy.



There are different strategies that some gamblers will have and develop for themselves in a way to earn more than they can lose, but with all strategies that we are using, let us know that we may lose at anytime. Because a strategy works for us the first, second and third time, that does not still mean the strategy can be efficient enough to continue to let us win than lose. What I am only saying is that we should gamble wisely and responsibly.

I think in a luck-type game, the only strategy we can implement is something that has to do with the bankroll management.  We all know that any strategy will eventually lose in the long run and those who made huge bet and win with huge multiplier just get lucky.


Title: Re: Gambling with entropy (Chaos)
Post by: Fivestar4everMVP on September 11, 2023, 08:34:33 AM
There are different strategies that some gamblers will have and develop for themselves in a way to earn more than they can lose, but with all strategies that we are using, let us know that we may lose at anytime. Because a strategy works for us the first, second and third time, that does not still mean the strategy can be efficient enough to continue to let us win than lose. What I am only saying is that we should gamble wisely and responsibly.
Well, one thing I have always thought about is, if it were possible to always win with a bot, gambling with bots would have become really popular since every gambler out there are all after one thing, and that is, how to beat the casino.

And maybe if this was possible, most casinos would have gone bankrupt due to players winning much more than they(the casinos) can pay.

But I honestly like ops statement in the begining of the thread, as he made it clear that, even as a bot developer himself, who have had a lot of experience gambling through bots, that it is impossible to find a bot that will guarantee a constant win as long as gambling it's gambling, even bots in trading still lose some trades..

But then again, I might love to try ops bots if he will get willing to permit and also share a guideline of how to set it up, I've never gambled with a bot before, will be so interesting to learn this ..


Title: Re: Gambling with entropy (Chaos)
Post by: bitbollo on September 11, 2023, 08:57:33 AM
interesting as always... at least on the paper...
because I am a bit skeptic in "real life" work (like other casino/coins....)
I am curious...how did you choose both odds for betting? I mean you have x3300 why not x5000 or x1000?
have you tried more runs or just these 2 that you show on OP?


Title: Re: Gambling with entropy (Chaos)
Post by: Ojima-ojo on September 11, 2023, 08:59:08 AM
There are different strategies that some gamblers will have and develop for themselves in a way to earn more than they can lose, but with all strategies that we are using, let us know that we may lose at anytime. Because a strategy works for us the first, second and third time, that does not still mean the strategy can be efficient enough to continue to let us win than lose. What I am only saying is that we should gamble wisely and responsibly.
In gambling, loses is the most witnessed events at all time, and in most cases a newbie gamblers is welcomed with series of loses before he eventually become strategic to win his or her first bets this is why gambling is gigh risk, and no strategy is free from such happening.


I don't believe in bot usage in gambling since gambling is only but a high risk unpredictable activity and at that since the bot is coded to work in a particular way, even though they register some success at first, they will still not record consistent success so for that it a bad idea to use bots to gamble and rather it far better to develop a personal model to analyse the games at all point since that is the only way you record success even if it not all time.


Title: Re: Gambling with entropy (Chaos)
Post by: Doan9269 on September 11, 2023, 10:57:55 AM
There are different strategies that some gamblers will have and develop for themselves in a way to earn more than they can lose, but with all strategies that we are using, let us know that we may lose at anytime. Because a strategy works for us the first, second and third time, that does not still mean the strategy can be efficient enough to continue to let us win than lose. What I am only saying is that we should gamble wisely and responsibly.

Well said, everything has to be done in gambling by taking the risk involved which is the price for it, we know ourselves thst we can't continue to have winining each time we bet, this is not only about the strategy employed now, it's also about the game we play and our individual abilities towards understanding how to make use of a particular betting strategy to our gambling experience each time we are on it to bet.


Title: Re: Gambling with entropy (Chaos)
Post by: seoincorporation on September 11, 2023, 03:19:27 PM
Yes, I know. I was just curious as to how well the bot was performing and if most this profit was from specifically botting or some manual betting tossed in there? I wasn't trying to derail by talking about the coin itsself.
I would say the profit from this bot is close to 2600, and i have done 20k bets approx with this method. I have been lucky because i get the hit before the martingale gets too high. But still a nice bot, i ran it last night again and hit the x3300, two times.

I am curious...how did you choose both odds for betting? I mean you have x3300 why not x5000 or x1000?
have you tried more runs or just these 2 that you show on OP?
To choose the odds i had something clear in mind,one of them is the printer to hit the moon and the other one is only to get fuel for the long run, for the printer i started with x100, then try x1000 and then x2000, i hit will all of them, that's why no I'm with x3300, but maybe i edit that line to chase something bigger in the future. and the x8.25 has been dynamic, i still testing to find a multiplier that allow me to feed the long run, it can be x5, x8, x17.

And i have tried more than 2 runs, i have been running the bot for days, so, i would say i have more than 20 runs with this method. And hits i have like 8.


Title: Re: Gambling with entropy (Chaos)
Post by: crwth on September 11, 2023, 03:34:46 PM
I like this idea. It's a truly random thing that you would be able to "defeat" somehow the possible algorithms that casinos have in order to make sure that they are profitable. I like the idea. I have dabbled in it a little bit and I think you have hit the jackpot and the sweet spot based on the result that you gave.

I'm following your thread now.


Title: Re: Gambling with entropy (Chaos)
Post by: so98nn on September 11, 2023, 03:46:41 PM
All this bot thing is really crazy man. I never thought I would see an experiment like this. OP you better keep this thread alive and show us your results all the time. I am feeling like this bot can do better than what I am doing manually over these years. Lolz. I assume this can only bet on arcade games and not very much focused on slots. Not even sure if that works on slots because they are more complex to bet on. Just assuming, since I have no idea how this bot works.

You have made good UI it seems from the posted images. Is it available for the commercial usage or are you just experimental guy who makes it for yourself. :)


Title: Re: Gambling with entropy (Chaos)
Post by: hopenotlate on September 11, 2023, 03:49:08 PM
I also enjoy setting up dice strategies just for the sake of it, I'm well aware we cant' beat the house edge in the long run, and , not having coding skills, the only site I use to do this is Wolf.Bet because their autobet feature is really awesome and customizable even for a monkey like me.
I wonder how could I try your bots on some other site? How can you implement those scripts to make them running?


Title: Re: Gambling with entropy (Chaos)
Post by: Westinhome on September 11, 2023, 04:25:12 PM
There are different strategies that some gamblers will have and develop for themselves in a way to earn more than they can lose, but with all strategies that we are using, let us know that we may lose at anytime. Because a strategy works for us the first, second and third time, that does not still mean the strategy can be efficient enough to continue to let us win than lose. What I am only saying is that we should gamble wisely and responsibly.

Many gambler will start to develop their own strategies for gambling,Some of the strategies may work and get them some money.Some of the gambling strategies will not work and leads to some big loss.So gambler should ready to face both of the game.Gambler should get happier on the winning and should not get sad at the loss.Most of the experienced gambler will get into many depression by the loss.But they will take this sportive as compared to the normal gambler.The normal gambler will get depressed on every loss,surely it will affect the game.For this many experienced will not take the loss into the mind.


Title: Re: Gambling with entropy (Chaos)
Post by: ryzaadit on September 11, 2023, 05:28:54 PM
Finally, someone who is creating a thread, and tried the method.

I happy to see kind of feedback, especially for the person who are actually tried the method or any kind of strategy rather than seeing a random thread for suggestions while they're not actually tried by them self.

Did you ever experience, each time you are on gross-profit change the seed maybe ? and see the result not really stick into one single seed.


Title: Re: Gambling with entropy (Chaos)
Post by: GxSTxV on September 11, 2023, 05:28:56 PM
Good to see you winning with your strategy and it’s really a chaos by adding two different payout settings, I can’t imagine myself watching the bot draining my balance and hoping it will hit the x3300 before I going broke haha. The possibility of winning high and losing low here are a bit better with this strategy what you need is a bit of chance and patience beside knowing when to stop.

I have been developing gambling bots in the past years and what I have learned is that we will never have an always-win bot, doesn't matter the method, you will always lose in the long run.

There are no magical strategies or holygrails with a casino because logically they wouldn’t allow playing with bots if they are that effective against the house edge. Even that some people will win using specific bots or strategies and at the same time another person may use the exact same tools and strategies but still he will lose. May i ask how do you apply the scripts or bots you are creating ?


Title: Re: Gambling with entropy (Chaos)
Post by: Webetcoins on September 11, 2023, 05:39:19 PM
What was your initial bankroll when starting the bot? And how much did it gain after the bot finished betting? Seeing proof of these things would be pleasing to see. I don't have any doubts that you have actually created a working strategy, but as you said yourself, one will eventually lose, and I wonder what will happen if there is a loss streak of around 25 bets because we all know that it is possible in a game of dice or Hi-Lo, I've seen bigger loss streaks.

I've seen a lot of people applying different strategies and managing to get some wins initially, but the house manages to get everything back eventually and the strategy basically backfires most of the times in gambling, that's because at the end of the day, the outcome is based on your luck.


Title: Re: Gambling with entropy (Chaos)
Post by: CarnagexD on September 11, 2023, 07:33:21 PM
Good to see you winning with your strategy and it’s really a chaos by adding two different payout settings, I can’t imagine myself watching the bot draining my balance and hoping it will hit the x3300 before I going broke haha. The possibility of winning high and losing low here are a bit better with this strategy what you need is a bit of chance and patience beside knowing when to stop.

I have been developing gambling bots in the past years and what I have learned is that we will never have an always-win bot, doesn't matter the method, you will always lose in the long run.

There are no magical strategies or holygrails with a casino because logically they wouldn’t allow playing with bots if they are that effective against the house edge. Even that some people will win using specific bots or strategies and at the same time another person may use the exact same tools and strategies but still he will lose. May i ask how do you apply the scripts or bots you are creating ?

using bots in gambling is the easiest way to lose money. I mean if you're not clicking your own bets, then it's not you gambling anymore. It's only the computer. You won't have the experience of a regular gambler. You won't have any signs of accountability of your bets because it's no longer your decision either its your bot's. And even if you generate money, overtime if you are detected by the gambling site using it, you might violate rules get banned and pay compensation.


Title: Re: Gambling with entropy (Chaos)
Post by: goldkingcoiner on September 11, 2023, 08:03:42 PM
I love the spirit of experimentation, however, I think what is missing here is your logic, explained in more detail. Perhaps if you would show us your math then we could understand the strategy in more depth?

From what I understand, it's better to set up a blueprint of your experiment before you start working on it.

The images show a lot of data but I don't understand how it all connects or what it means.

I think If you have discovered a way to beat the system, it will take mere hours for the casinos to catch on and develop a way to block it.


Title: Re: Gambling with entropy (Chaos)
Post by: Mate2237 on September 11, 2023, 09:15:49 PM
I have been developing gambling bots in the past years and what I have learned is that we will never have an always-win bot, doesn't matter the method, you will always lose in the long run.
Thank God for the talent given to you to develop something like that in the casino space. Yes, if you create a casino not site that gamblers win always then you are automatically at the losing side. You have to balance the equation by allowing the gamblers to loss and win once while and the winning is not always because if the they win always you won't have money to pay your Staff and maintain the sire when it is time.

This is a nice work op, keep it up. You have more in-depth knowledge to complete the project to be running in the forum.


Title: Re: Gambling with entropy (Chaos)
Post by: Sandra_hakeem on September 11, 2023, 09:30:33 PM
Well, I guess someone just really needed to say the fucking truth from his experiences over time... If he's tried using a bot as smart as the opertees itself and it turned out this miserable, are they any resolutions to his ambitions then??
Look, I don't really wanna look at how simply programed this bots might has been ... yunno why?? Cus I believe 'em domains don't have the abilities to counter a Strange, reprogrammed bot analysis...or since when was that made viable??

Sandra 🧑‍🦰


Title: Re: Gambling with entropy (Chaos)
Post by: Wexnident on September 11, 2023, 10:22:35 PM
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But I have learned other things too... Like variance is the worst enemy for casinos (Big bets winning while low bets losing), and streaks come like waves. So, lose while betting low and win while betting win. I know is easy to say but we don't know when the next good wave will come. That's why we should add some chaos to our strategy.

"Chaos" and "strategy" are two words that shouldn't be added in the same sentence. ;D
Having an actual strategy excludes the possibility of relying on random results(or chaos as you say).
I agree that big bets that are winning are the worst enemy of every casino, but in the long run almost all bets are losing and the casinos try everything they can to keep the gamblers playing and betting as long as possible. The worst enemy of every casino is the gambler, who wins big, withdraws his money/coins and leaves the casino. ;D
I don't agree that winning steaks come like waves. This isn't statistically proven and it seems more like a gambler's delusion to me.
Well, I think OP calls it chaos but I think it's something along the lines of trying to hit a big wave that could offset all the losses incurred. The chances are pretty low considering the odds OP have set, but hitting one could make the bank, which can be used to try out the strategy a lot more times. And from what I've seen OP try in the past, his bets can go really low, enough to try out all the stuff he wants without being at a loss. I reckon the casino OP plays it has no minimum or something?

It is still pretty amazing though.
I love the spirit of experimentation, however, I think what is missing here is your logic, explained in more detail. Perhaps if you would show us your math then we could understand the strategy in more depth?
I'd love to see a graph of sorts OP has for the different experiments he tried. I reckon he bets a LOT, more than enough imo to create data that shouldn't vary much if tried and compared by others. Though it is gambling so you never know I guess.


Title: Re: Gambling with entropy (Chaos)
Post by: seoincorporation on September 11, 2023, 10:32:30 PM
May i ask how do you apply the scripts or bots you are creating ?

This kind of betting bots are created in JavaScript, On your browser you press F12 > Console, Paste the code and press Enter. The script selects the betting amount based on the balance and do all the magic. Let me share the code, this way you can use it if you want.

Code:
var chance = 5.8; var a = 1; divider=1500;
var balance = parseFloat(document.getElementById('pct_balance').value);
var target = balance*2;
var b = ((balance/divider).toFixed(8));
var mybet;
document.getElementById('pct_chance').value = chance;
parseFloat(document.getElementById('pct_bet').value = b);
function dobet(){
balancez = document.getElementById('pct_balance').value;
var stuit = document.getElementById('pct_bet').value;
var count = document.getElementById("nonce").innerText;
    if(count%2==0){
        document.getElementById('pct_chance').value = 0.030;
    }else{
        document.getElementById('pct_chance').value = 12.0;     
    }
if (mybet==null) {
mybet = stuit;
}
if (((balancez*1.25)<balance)&&(balancez<balance)) {
mybet = b*2;
}
if (((balancez*1.5)<balance)&&(balancez<balance)) {
mybet = b*4;
}
if (balancez>balance*1.2) {
    balance = balancez;
    b = ((balance/divider).toFixed(8));
    mybet = b;
}
if (balancez>=target) {
return;
}
if (a==0) {
return;
}
balancez = document.getElementById('pct_balance').value;
parseFloat(document.getElementById('pct_bet').value = ((mybet*1).toFixed(8)));
Math.random() < 0.5 ? $('#a_hi').click() : $('#a_lo').click();
}
setInterval(() => dobet(), 40);

What was your initial bankroll when starting the bot? And how much did it gain after the bot finished betting?

If i start with 150 clams, the starting betting amount is 0.1clam, then moves to 0.2 and the last step is 0.4... If i hit x3300 with any of those amounts the profit could be; 330clams, 660 or 1320. It depends on the luck of the run, but it can get busted without a hit.


Title: Re: Gambling with entropy (Chaos)
Post by: seoincorporation on September 14, 2023, 11:39:48 PM
Finally, someone who is creating a thread, and tried the method.

I happy to see kind of feedback, especially for the person who are actually tried the method or any kind of strategy rather than seeing a random thread for suggestions while they're not actually tried by them self.
Thanks ryzaadit, i really enjoy creating betting methods and new strategies, i even take it to the next level today.

Did you ever experience, each time you are on gross-profit change the seed maybe ? and see the result not really stick into one single seed.

The seed is a really important factor, i know some seeds get stuck in a long run without a hit and get a new seed each time we run the bot is my recommendation.

Today was a weird day for my bots, i see a pattern, in lot of my x3300 the lucky number was over 0.01% chance to win, that mean, those x3300 could be some x9900. And then i starter to believe, i made the changes in the code from:
Code:
document.getElementById('pct_chance').value = 0.03;
to:

Code:
document.getElementById('pct_chance').value = 0.01;
And run the bot in 2 accounts at the same time. in both accounts i lose 5 consecutive times, but when the 6th run came it was a different story.

I know you love to have clears numbers, so i will explain it this way, but before that i want to remind the fact that my code has 2 steps of martingale (double up the betting amount).

This time i decided to change that x3300 for the x9900 and see if i had some luck on the run, but since it's a hard multiplier i run 2 bots at the same time.

First run: 10.0 each bot. - LOSE
2.- 15 - Lose
3.- 20 - Lose
4.- 25 - Lose
5.- 30 - WIN

I know in this means i was risking 200 clams with both accounts, but the fact that both accounts hits x9900 was one of my luckiest hits ever, and it wan't just the multiplier, bot of them was in the last step of the martingale, so, i with close to x800 with each bot:

Proof:
https://talkimg.com/images/2023/09/15/6TR4I.png
https://just-dice.com/roll/6143735518

https://talkimg.com/images/2023/09/15/6TPNg.png
https://just-dice.com/roll/6143733703

Code:

Code:
var chance = 5.8; var a = 1; divider=1500;
var balance = parseFloat(document.getElementById('pct_balance').value);
var target = balance*2;
var b = ((balance/divider).toFixed(8));
var mybet;
document.getElementById('pct_chance').value = chance;
parseFloat(document.getElementById('pct_bet').value = b);
function dobet(){
balancez = document.getElementById('pct_balance').value;
var stuit = document.getElementById('pct_bet').value;
var count = document.getElementById("nonce").innerText;
    if(count%2==0){
        document.getElementById('pct_chance').value = 0.01;
    }else{
        document.getElementById('pct_chance').value = 12.0;      
    }
if (mybet==null) {
mybet = stuit;
}
if (((balancez*1.25)<balance)&&(balancez<balance)) {
mybet = b*2;
}
if (((balancez*1.5)<balance)&&(balancez<balance)) {
mybet = b*4;
}
if (balancez>balance*1.2) {
    balance = balancez;
    b = ((balance/divider).toFixed(8));
    mybet = b;
}
if (balancez>=target) {
return;
}
if (a==0) {
return;
}
balancez = document.getElementById('pct_balance').value;
parseFloat(document.getElementById('pct_bet').value = ((mybet*1).toFixed(8)));
Math.random() < 0.5 ? $('#a_hi').click() : $('#a_lo').click();
}
setInterval(() => dobet(), 40);

I want to be clear, you need to be really lucky to do something like this. But the only way to hit it is by trying.


Title: Re: Gambling with entropy (Chaos)
Post by: serjent05 on September 14, 2023, 11:46:13 PM
If i start with 150 clams, the starting betting amount is 0.1clam, then moves to 0.2 and the last step is 0.4... If i hit x3300 with any of those amounts the profit could be; 330clams, 660 or 1320. It depends on the luck of the run, but it can get busted without a hit.

I see thanks for the script, this is pretty much a martingale method regardless of result with limits and resets back to the original bet when reaches the maximum set bet.  I also tried this approach but in a losing streak then reset if a certain bet limit is met.  I might try this kind of approach if I get extra funds next week.  I'll post here if I successfully hit the huge multiplier using the method you stated.


Title: Re: Gambling with entropy (Chaos)
Post by: seoincorporation on October 08, 2023, 03:25:21 PM
And as i say, there is no way to always win on gambling, yesterday was a rough day for me... I was trying to get the biggest win on the site in the past 12 months. And get busted trying to hit the crazy multiplier of x33,000.

I did it with a new bot who chase x33,000 and x330 on the same run, that way the balance on run goes higher on each x330 making the snow ball bigger for that x33,000. But trying to hit x33,000 on 1000 bets runs is like chasing a jackpot. And i really try it hard, made like 30 runs, but luck wasn't in my side this time.

The question is, should i keep chasing the max win with that bot, or i should take the lose and try to find another method and quit the idea of the max win?

Just for the record, i have the 3rd biggest win of the site, and in the top 10 4 of the bets are mine.


Title: Re: Gambling with entropy (Chaos)
Post by: Saint-loup on October 08, 2023, 07:58:00 PM
I don't get it, you just try to get the highest multipliers you can or you try to make profits thanks to this method? Because it would be the first time I hear that someone is able to beat the house edge of the game on the long run without cheating the game, and just betting randomly. So it can be interesting if getting high multipliers give you some bonuses or prizes enhancing your expected value, but if you don't get anything on top of the regular winnings of the game, I wonder how you could statistically beat the house edge of the game. The Expected Value is a rather old mathematical concept (elaborated by Blaise Pascal AFAIK), so I think we would already know if it's wrong.


Title: Re: Gambling with entropy (Chaos)
Post by: Mate2237 on October 08, 2023, 09:19:48 PM
I have been developing gambling bots in the past years and what I have learned is that we will never have an always-win bot, doesn't matter the method, you will always lose in the long run.
So you were developing a bot to cheat on casinos. And why I say so because if you develop a bot to win casino games always then the casino will run enter bankruptcy and which is not good because the casino is there to make profit and us the profit to pay workers and other expenses. Casinos can't allow gambling bots to win always instead the losses will be more than the winning.

Method upon methods. All the methods I have seen and discussed today is not for personal experience and not for general experience. You have your  own methods and I have my buy there are sometimes another person methods help another person to succeed and win the games. Well done to the method mentioned because I know that it will help gamblers to use different methods to gamble and win their loss but they have to avoid cheating.


Title: Re: Gambling with entropy (Chaos)
Post by: mirakal on October 08, 2023, 09:25:35 PM
I have been developing gambling bots in the past years and what I have learned is that we will never have an always-win bot, doesn't matter the method, you will always lose in the long run.

I wish all bot users cab see this to learn from, because some will emphatically told you that they cannot be fulfilled without going through the use of bot, yet when they give a try on anyone they found out that there's nothing much it has to offer than what they have already been used to, we seems not been satisfied in some cases not until we get some things done in other to get our satisfaction over it be it good or bad consequence on us, for someone like me, i may adopt the use of bot but ot in bettings that i do.
That’s really true. Gambling bots can never guarantee an all time win, they maybe profitable at some point but in the end, what you gain is still limitless losses. And I hope everyone can realize that instead of gambling using these bots, why not just gamble using your own instinct and analysis, for me that will work even better most especially if you are playing luck based games. But maybe for luck based games, gambling bots might also be profitable at certain point but never expect that it will happen all the time.


Title: Re: Gambling with entropy (Chaos)
Post by: Wiwo on October 08, 2023, 09:38:51 PM
Seoincorporation, I'm happy to see that you follow with your experiment and that it is granting you several moments of joy. If I'm not wrong, you got with your system more than double the clams than staking through the years, isn't it?

I hope you good luck and clams going to the moon soon. Just make sure you don't lose them in a losing spree in the casino while on auto-pilot ;)
Autopilot is the most suicidal approach most especially in this kind of trend where the mare may be trying out a new bit that could possibly be on a winning spree to the point that the old will start to have the feelings of being confident in the future outcome and placing the bet on autopilot and bets this way the system just re do the previous bets until when there is no more balance to stake the next bets.


Title: Re: Gambling with entropy (Chaos)
Post by: seoincorporation on October 09, 2023, 02:16:53 AM
I don't get it, you just try to get the highest multipliers you can or you try to make profits thanks to this method? Because it would be the first time I hear that someone is able to beat the house edge of the game on the long run without cheating the game, and just betting randomly. So it can be interesting if getting high multipliers give you some bonuses or prizes enhancing your expected value, but if you don't get anything on top of the regular winnings of the game, I wonder how you could statistically beat the house edge of the game. The Expected Value is a rather old mathematical concept (elaborated by Blaise Pascal AFAIK), so I think we would already know if it's wrong.
Well first was the chase of big multipliers, then i did the chase to big profit, and i get more than 6 shots of 5 digits, and that's why now I'm chasing massive hits. In my last runs i was trying to win between 40k and 60k clams, which is the 1% of the site bankroll, so, i not enough to win against the casino, but is a nice chase.


So you were developing a bot to cheat on casinos. And why I say so because if you develop a bot to win casino games always then the casino will run enter bankruptcy and which is not good because the casino is there to make profit and us the profit to pay workers and other expenses. Casinos can't allow gambling bots to win always instead the losses will be more than the winning.
I created a betting bot to have better odds of winning in the long run, but there is no bot that always wins, and to be clear the casino allows me to run this bot. So, is not cheating at all.

 And don't worry I'm not looking to beat the casino, i still think that's impossible because the casino has enough bankroll to play hard for the long run.


Title: Re: Gambling with entropy (Chaos)
Post by: Hirose UK on October 09, 2023, 06:56:08 AM
I have been developing gambling bots in the past years and what I have learned is that we will never have an always-win bot, doesn't matter the method, you will always lose in the long run.

I wish all bot users cab see this to learn from, because some will emphatically told you that they cannot be fulfilled without going through the use of bot, yet when they give a try on anyone they found out that there's nothing much it has to offer than what they have already been used to, we seems not been satisfied in some cases not until we get some things done in other to get our satisfaction over it be it good or bad consequence on us, for someone like me, i may adopt the use of bot but ot in bettings that i do.
That’s really true. Gambling bots can never guarantee an all time win, they maybe profitable at some point but in the end, what you gain is still limitless losses. And I hope everyone can realize that instead of gambling using these bots, why not just gamble using your own instinct and analysis, for me that will work even better most especially if you are playing luck based games. But maybe for luck based games, gambling bots might also be profitable at certain point but never expect that it will happen all the time.
Of course because casinos will always be superior to gamblers whatever they use there will always be anticipation made by the team to keep pressure on gamblers so they can't win more often by using bots after all I sure almost all casinos prohibit the use of bots or AI.

There is no guarantee of victory and there is no greater chance that gamblers can get by using bots so it would be better to try your skills and increase your experience because gambling will really depend on luck which is the main factor in winning.

Can bots systematically beat algorithms in casino game?
Of course not because that whatever gambler uses will never bring a definite win.


Title: Re: Gambling with entropy (Chaos)
Post by: o48o on October 09, 2023, 05:11:19 PM
Clams! I totally forgot those and got excited as i thought i might have left some clams to this site long time ago and completely forgot it existed. But then i visited coinmarketcap and boy the atl is striking hard on this one. Even if i got $1000 in back then, it would be worth nothing now. So it's not worth even checking.

By the way there's no way around house edge, every system we invent for gambling dice is just giving us profit if we are lucky enough. It might be fun, and if it works for you it's ok. I just wanted to point out that there's no winning method.



Title: Re: Gambling with entropy (Chaos)
Post by: Haunebu on October 09, 2023, 06:58:48 PM
Just stumbled into this thread and I must say that it's quite unique and interesting. Am a big fan of gambling strategies primarily for fun sake which is why I will try some of the strategies that you advised in the future.

The one strategy that rules them all in the world of gambling if you ask me is yolo gambling as long as you are alright with short sessions and high risk factor.


Title: Re: Gambling with entropy (Chaos)
Post by: Stedsm on October 09, 2023, 07:36:56 PM
Wow, justdice 😍
I remember those days when BTC wasn't too much in value, and so we used to gamble big whenever got a chance after getting paid our signature earnings of up to 1 BTC a week. :D
Yes, there were some crazy winnings after long losing streaks but then placing random bets on any bets and winning was casual during those days. And talking about wave, I also believe that the change of bet sizes and strings worked for many and gave them huge wins.


Title: Re: Gambling with entropy (Chaos)
Post by: seoincorporation on October 09, 2023, 08:20:34 PM
Wow, justdice 😍
I remember those days when BTC wasn't too much in value, and so we used to gamble big whenever got a chance after getting paid our signature earnings of up to 1 BTC a week. :D
Yes, there were some crazy winnings after long losing streaks but then placing random bets on any bets and winning was casual during those days. And talking about wave, I also believe that the change of bet sizes and strings worked for many and gave them huge wins.

I remember those old time when Just-Dice used to be for bitcoin and huge bets were played there, looking for an article i found this image:


222 BTC bets was just insane even for those times when BTC price was low. the article where i take the image from is this one:

https://www.coindesk.com/business/2013/07/19/bitcoin-gambler-cheats-satoshidice-competitor-just-dice-out-of-1300-btc/

And now is a fun site because the coin they use is cheap as hell, so, when you place a 1 clams bet is like betting 450sats. Anyone can feel like a high roller, but is complex to take that 4.6M bankroll.


Title: Re: Gambling with entropy (Chaos)
Post by: BenCodie on October 09, 2023, 09:08:06 PM
Congratulations on some of these wins. It looks like you're actually having fun here rather than going for a profit, especially considering the currency you're using to play.

What is the total profit so far?
I have been betting on that site for years, and my profit after 1,189,133 bets is 3,126.71 clams until today.

My profit from staking on the site is 200.36 clams as you can see in the image:

https://talkimg.com/images/2023/09/11/62dvb.png

And I have done staking on my own core for a profit close to 1500 or more in the past years.

Right now I'm not holding a big amount, my server has 4471 for staking, and I'm getting 1 clam/day.

Can clams even be traded on any exchanges these days? Last I knew shapeshift was the only place to get them, but maybe you know of another exchange?

There are 2 options for trading clams nowadays:

https://altquick.com/exchange/market/Clamcoin
https://freiexchange.com/market/CLAM/BTC

It still low as hell, but maybe one day a whale decide to have fun with the markets, lol.

But to be clear, this is not about the coin, is about gambling and the chaos on bets. Maybe a bot like this for Stake would be nice.



Keep some, I'm sure one day your wish will come true based on those order books ;)

One thing I will say is that if you tried this on Stake and succeeded, I am sure you'd be asked for KYC that you can't complete and that you wouldn't be able to get the balance to your wallet. Maybe consider another site ;) (Stake has tens of open claims for very large amounts, see scam accusations section)


Title: Re: Gambling with entropy (Chaos)
Post by: Stedsm on October 10, 2023, 09:49:06 AM
If the clams price regains, you will be one of the important reasons @seoincorporation because you've "beaten up the dead horse" and now the horse is ready to get back into shape, and finally, into the game.
We all almost forgot about just-dice but you brought the life back to it as even after being here since long time, we just went ahead and gave up on the past.
And I saw on altquick that there's a sell at 478 sats worth 0.015xxx BTC for above 3000 coins, which means that if you keep rolling for x3300 for 3000 times with just 478 sats per bet and if you it this x3300 for 2 times (and if highly lucky, then 10 times), you'll get a decent amount on hands to play again by only keeping the initial balance on the site and taking out the winnings. ;)


Title: Re: Gambling with entropy (Chaos)
Post by: Haunebu on October 10, 2023, 12:28:46 PM
One thing I will say is that if you tried this on Stake and succeeded, I am sure you'd be asked for KYC that you can't complete and that you wouldn't be able to get the balance to your wallet. Maybe consider another site ;) (Stake has tens of open claims for very large amounts, see scam accusations section)
This is a great suggestion. Stake requires KYC for deposits and withdrawals which is why it isn't recommended for no-KYC fans even though it is one of the most popular crypto casinos around these days.

It's crazy seeing several legit scam accusations against them going unresolved within this forum.


Title: Re: Gambling with entropy (Chaos)
Post by: seoincorporation on October 10, 2023, 03:00:24 PM
If the clams price regains, you will be one of the important reasons @seoincorporation because you've "beaten up the dead horse" and now the horse is ready to get back into shape, and finally, into the game.
To be honest, i think it will be really hard to see clams going up, and that's for multiple reasons but i will mention 2:

1.- If someone wins big in the casino and decide to sell then the price could crash 33% or more.
2.- There are a lot of investors waiting for the bump to sell, son if someone decide to bump the market then one of the investors will fill those orders.

One thing I will say is that if you tried this on Stake and succeeded, I am sure you'd be asked for KYC that you can't complete and that you wouldn't be able to get the balance to your wallet. Maybe consider another site ;) (Stake has tens of open claims for very large amounts, see scam accusations section)
This is a great suggestion. Stake requires KYC for deposits and withdrawals which is why it isn't recommended for no-KYC fans even though it is one of the most popular crypto casinos around these days.

It's crazy seeing several legit scam accusations against them going unresolved within this forum.
And this is why i don't do it on stake, i don't like anymore that kind of casinos that uses KYC as an excuse to hold the users winnings, i even get muted on stake's chat for talking about my clams winnings, i get a 6 months mute. So, is a nice way to lose a customer.


Title: Re: Gambling with entropy (Chaos)
Post by: pawanjain on October 10, 2023, 03:56:36 PM
It's nice to see someone posting their strategy along with pics and source code of how they placed their bets.
Not everyone does it. So cheers to that @seoincorporation. It's good that you are making profits at the end of the day.
Keep monitoring your profits and I hope you don't end up using it all up for betting and lose it. Try to use a strategy for limiting losses as well.


Title: Re: Gambling with entropy (Chaos)
Post by: Yatsan on October 10, 2023, 04:12:16 PM
One thing I will say is that if you tried this on Stake and succeeded, I am sure you'd be asked for KYC that you can't complete and that you wouldn't be able to get the balance to your wallet. Maybe consider another site ;) (Stake has tens of open claims for very large amounts, see scam accusations section)
This is a great suggestion. Stake requires KYC for deposits and withdrawals which is why it isn't recommended for no-KYC fans even though it is one of the most popular crypto casinos around these days.

It's crazy seeing several legit scam accusations against them going unresolved within this forum.
Legit but accusations? Isn’t it in contrast? Not to invalidate those instances but Stake and other reputable gambling sites won’t still be in such position if things are really problematic.But I respect those who prefers platforms which does not require KYC;  we have different tolerance with site rules in the first place and of course it won’t be suggested to players who are up against mentioned procedure.

Going back, this strategy seems to work well but only with condition; having a large bag to bet and won’t be applicable to all gamblers in this industry. Quite of a huge number of bets to generate profit and being not a fan of bots, I think I won’t be able to enjoy my gambling experience with this. However it is a great strategy, no doubt.


Title: Re: Gambling with entropy (Chaos)
Post by: Haunebu on October 11, 2023, 04:33:50 PM
And this is why i don't do it on stake, i don't like anymore that kind of casinos that uses KYC as an excuse to hold the users winnings, i even get muted on stake's chat for talking about my clams winnings, i get a 6 months mute. So, is a nice way to lose a customer.
There are many customers who got screwed by Stake for rubbing them the wrong way. They clearly know how to exert their dominance in this saturated crypto gambling world if you ask me.

Legit but accusations? Isn’t it in contrast? Not to invalidate those instances but Stake and other reputable gambling sites won’t still be in such position if things are really problematic.
Legit accusations? What's confusing about that? Also, Stake isn't outright scamming customers like 1xbit, but they are using unethical strategies to save money.


Title: Re: Gambling with entropy (Chaos)
Post by: seoincorporation on October 11, 2023, 07:44:19 PM
Going back, this strategy seems to work well but only with condition; having a large bag to bet and won’t be applicable to all gamblers in this industry. Quite of a huge number of bets to generate profit and being not a fan of bots, I think I won’t be able to enjoy my gambling experience with this. However it is a great strategy, no doubt.

You don't need a "large bag" to use these methods, i mean, you can get 1000 of that coin with only 0.0045 btc, and the min bet in the site is 0.00000001, so, since the bot run based in the bankroll even in you have 0.0001 in the balance it will run. Even users can get 0.01 from the faucet and run the bot with that each hour.

But at some point is boring to hit those huge multipliers with low amounts, that's why i started chasing big wins.


Title: Re: Gambling with entropy (Chaos)
Post by: Hirose UK on October 12, 2023, 10:40:12 AM
It's nice to see someone posting their strategy along with pics and source code of how they placed their bets.
Not everyone does it. So cheers to that @seoincorporation. It's good that you are making profits at the end of the day.
Keep monitoring your profits and I hope you don't end up using it all up for betting and lose it. Try to use a strategy for limiting losses as well.
Well it very rare to find thread like this created by @seoincorporation about betting and he has shared it in detail and is still active to provide progress or developments on the thread he has created.
Some threads may only share few words without detailed and open explanation but here there is enough experience that he shares that it will be very useful for all users who might want to try it.

But I still a little doubtful whether what @seoincorporation is doing can also be applied to other casinos which may have their own rules and make it difficult for gamblers to do more things when betting to increase their chances of winning.


Title: Re: Gambling with entropy (Chaos)
Post by: Ojima-ojo on October 12, 2023, 10:52:30 AM

Legit but accusations? Isn’t it in contrast? Not to invalidate those instances but Stake and other reputable gambling sites won’t still be in such position if things are really problematic.But I respect those who prefers platforms which does not require KYC;  we have different tolerance with site rules in the first place and of course it won’t be suggested to players who are up against mentioned procedure.
Stake remain one of the most popular and reputable casinos that we have in the market and since their have been around for many years and havenr build a good foundation and reputation stake is reliable enough for any one to be willing to hand out their documents for verifications and also even so that stake is regulatory compliance casino, their still have a high respect for privacy and that is why we see that some gamblers will win and withdraw they winning without any restrictions.


But regardless for that privilege of being able to witdraw big amount from the casino, bur rhe fact is that, some gamblers who think that their privacy cant be risk for whatever reputation they decide to stay clear of such centralized kyc casinos, and you cant blame them for that.



Title: Re: Gambling with entropy (Chaos)
Post by: delfastTions on December 06, 2023, 07:58:38 AM

Legit but accusations? Isn’t it in contrast? Not to invalidate those instances but Stake and other reputable gambling sites won’t still be in such position if things are really problematic.But I respect those who prefers platforms which does not require KYC;  we have different tolerance with site rules in the first place and of course it won’t be suggested to players who are up against mentioned procedure.
Stake remain one of the most popular and reputable casinos that we have in the market and since their have been around for many years and havenr build a good foundation and reputation stake is reliable enough for any one to be willing to hand out their documents for verifications and also even so that stake is regulatory compliance casino, their still have a high respect for privacy and that is why we see that some gamblers will win and withdraw they winning without any restrictions.


But regardless for that privilege of being able to witdraw big amount from the casino, bur rhe fact is that, some gamblers who think that their privacy cant be risk for whatever reputation they decide to stay clear of such centralized kyc casinos, and you cant blame them for that.


Of course, all players know Stake and this is truly an old and proven casino, this is understandable. 

However, I had a question, if you take all the millions of gambling players around the world and ask them what percentage would prefer to play anonymously and not go through all these humiliating KYC procedures, but, of course, if the players were sure,  that there will be no obstacles from the casino side when withdrawing the money won.  I think that 90% of players would prefer to play without KYC.  By the way, this is a big problem for the entire gambling industry - the problem of casinos imposing KYC on consumers - players.  It is clear that these are legal requirements.  But this requirement limits the rights of consumers and after some time, subject to the free development of society, should be abolished. 
This requirement also violates the human right to privacy, which is guaranteed by the fundamental documents of human rights. 
That's what I think.


Title: Re: Gambling with entropy (Chaos)
Post by: Porfirii on December 06, 2023, 11:32:18 AM
Legit but accusations? Isn’t it in contrast? Not to invalidate those instances but Stake and other reputable gambling sites won’t still be in such position if things are really problematic.But I respect those who prefers platforms which does not require KYC;  we have different tolerance with site rules in the first place and of course it won’t be suggested to players who are up against mentioned procedure.
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However, I had a question, if you take all the millions of gambling players around the world and ask them what percentage would prefer to play anonymously and not go through all these humiliating KYC procedures, but, of course, if the players were sure,  that there will be no obstacles from the casino side when withdrawing the money won.  I think that 90% of players would prefer to play without KYC.  By the way, this is a big problem for the entire gambling industry - the problem of casinos imposing KYC on consumers - players.  It is clear that these are legal requirements.  But this requirement limits the rights of consumers and after some time, subject to the free development of society, should be abolished. 
This requirement also violates the human right to privacy, which is guaranteed by the fundamental documents of human rights. 
That's what I think.

It is, as you said, humiliating.

There are some reasons why KYC would be justified, even though in most cases it vulnerates the human right to privacy, it's true. For example, it is good to verify that no children have access to gambling (is is now being discussed in my country whether it would be advisable KYC to see porn, with a strong interest followed mainly by the feminists). But not for money laundering, because under suspicion of being guilty, the police can find a criminal without having to impose mandatory identification to every citizen.

I still think that there must be a way to probe online that you are an adult without giving away all your personal data. Maybe the blockchain could hold this info cyphered, so anyone could sign a message for example to prove that he is 18+.


Title: Re: Gambling with entropy (Chaos)
Post by: seoincorporation on December 06, 2023, 03:19:15 PM
This requirement also violates the human right to privacy, which is guaranteed by the fundamental documents of human rights. 
That's what I think.

It is, as you said, humiliating.

There are some reasons why KYC would be justified, even though in most cases it vulnerates the human right to privacy, it's true. For example, it is good to verify that no children have access to gambling (is is now being discussed in my country whether it would be advisable KYC to see porn, with a strong interest followed mainly by the feminists). But not for money laundering, because under suspicion of being guilty, the police can find a criminal without having to impose mandatory identification to every citizen.

I still think that there must be a way to probe online that you are an adult without giving away all your personal data. Maybe the blockchain could hold this info cyphered, so anyone could sign a message for example to prove that he is 18+.

Users has human rights to privacy, i agree with that, but the casinos make the game rules, and if you want to play in their engines then you need to follow their rules. And casinos don't implement KYC just to fuck around with users, they have reasons for it:

* Avoid users underage.
* Avoid promotions abuse
* Avoid money laundering

But user can take the desition if gamble with those rules or not. That's why i use my betting bots in JD, they don't have KYC, they don't care about bots, and they allow multiple accounts. So, for me those are fair rules for the users.


Title: Re: Gambling with entropy (Chaos)
Post by: Crypt0Gore on December 07, 2023, 08:22:23 AM
This might says a lot why I always lose with my small bets, few people have proven that using large money makes you win, but doesn't it neutralize you losing? Because it seems the chances of winning is what only increases, I don't still like the idea.

It's like saying I should start using big amount of money to win, that's an expected strategy from casinos anyway, I have no choice or any change of heart to start using a large amount so that I can win, it sounds like a bigger trap.

I never like using Bots for anything, gambling or trading, I believe its not great, I would rather do the thing myself, and I am quit satisfied with what I am getting using small amount of money that I can afford to lose.

Do not risk more than you can afford to lose, all because of increasing your chances of winning, you can still lose the money no matter how big it is, people have lost 400k in a swipe gambling, be responsible.


Title: Re: Gambling with entropy (Chaos)
Post by: delfastTions on December 07, 2023, 09:40:59 AM
This requirement also violates the human right to privacy, which is guaranteed by the fundamental documents of human rights. 
That's what I think.

It is, as you said, humiliating.

There are some reasons why KYC would be justified, even though in most cases it vulnerates the human right to privacy, it's true. For example, it is good to verify that no children have access to gambling (is is now being discussed in my country whether it would be advisable KYC to see porn, with a strong interest followed mainly by the feminists). But not for money laundering, because under suspicion of being guilty, the police can find a criminal without having to impose mandatory identification to every citizen.

I still think that there must be a way to probe online that you are an adult without giving away all your personal data. Maybe the blockchain could hold this info cyphered, so anyone could sign a message for example to prove that he is 18+.

Users has human rights to privacy, i agree with that, but the casinos make the game rules, and if you want to play in their engines then you need to follow their rules. And casinos don't implement KYC just to fuck around with users, they have reasons for it:

* Avoid users underage.
* Avoid promotions abuse
* Avoid money laundering

But user can take the desition if gamble with those rules or not. That's why i use my betting bots in JD, they don't have KYC, they don't care about bots, and they allow multiple accounts. So, for me those are fair rules for the users.
If we say that the casino, when conducting the KYC verification procedure, makes sure that children under 18 years of age cannot gamble, then this is of course correct, but in my opinion a much greater responsibility lies with the parents or guardianship of such a child.  They should be monitoring this, not the casino.  And parents should prevent their children from trying to gamble. 
As for money laundering, this is also not the concern of the casino.  This should be done by law enforcement agencies, and they, in turn, have all the necessary tools to find out the identity without any KYC. 
So it turns out that by requiring KYC, the casino is not doing its own business, but is doing some unnecessary extra work to collect personal information.  And by the way, there is also a burden in the form of special storage of confidential databases.  And the potential vulnerabilities of the business itself in the event of theft or hacking of these databases.  Does the casino itself need to do all this?  Most likely it is not necessary at all. 
So we come to the conclusion that KYC should die out in casinos over time.


Title: Re: Gambling with entropy (Chaos)
Post by: Porfirii on December 07, 2023, 02:43:51 PM
This requirement also violates the human right to privacy, which is guaranteed by the fundamental documents of human rights.  
That's what I think.

It is, as you said, humiliating.

There are some reasons why KYC would be justified, even though in most cases it vulnerates the human right to privacy, it's true. For example, it is good to verify that no children have access to gambling (is is now being discussed in my country whether it would be advisable KYC to see porn, with a strong interest followed mainly by the feminists). But not for money laundering, because under suspicion of being guilty, the police can find a criminal without having to impose mandatory identification to every citizen.

I still think that there must be a way to probe online that you are an adult without giving away all your personal data. Maybe the blockchain could hold this info cyphered, so anyone could sign a message for example to prove that he is 18+.

Users has human rights to privacy, i agree with that, but the casinos make the game rules, and if you want to play in their engines then you need to follow their rules. And casinos don't implement KYC just to fuck around with users, they have reasons for it:

* Avoid users underage.
* Avoid promotions abuse
* Avoid money laundering

But user can take the desition if gamble with those rules or not. That's why i use my betting bots in JD, they don't have KYC, they don't care about bots, and they allow multiple accounts. So, for me those are fair rules for the users.
If we say that the casino, when conducting the KYC verification procedure, makes sure that children under 18 years of age cannot gamble, then this is of course correct, but in my opinion a much greater responsibility lies with the parents or guardianship of such a child.  They should be monitoring this, not the casino.  And parents should prevent their children from trying to gamble.  
As for money laundering, this is also not the concern of the casino.  This should be done by law enforcement agencies, and they, in turn, have all the necessary tools to find out the identity without any KYC.  
So it turns out that by requiring KYC, the casino is not doing its own business, but is doing some unnecessary extra work to collect personal information.  And by the way, there is also a burden in the form of special storage of confidential databases.  And the potential vulnerabilities of the business itself in the event of theft or hacking of these databases.  Does the casino itself need to do all this?  Most likely it is not necessary at all.  
So we come to the conclusion that KYC should die out in casinos over time.

That's right, delfastTions, but there are other interests too besides those of casino managers and gamblers. As long as KYC is the most effective way for controllers to do their job, it seems that human rights like privacy and personal data protection principles like the one about minimization of data can be broken, until a Court decides otherwise.

So, taking into account that rule makers won't change their mind in the short term, the best solution, again, IMO, would be to create some kind of system which would allow the user verify different checkmarks (age, nationality,...) without the need to conduct all the KYC process as we know it today with ID card, Passport, selfie and/or whatever other documents required.


Title: Re: Gambling with entropy (Chaos)
Post by: so98nn on December 07, 2023, 03:07:11 PM
The entropy is good until we lose most of the money, lose our heads, and jump in to take control of the bot. The problem is never with the bots, but it is either the house edge or the user who has invested money. The bots will follow the protocol, however, if someone weak is seeing their balance is draining below 50% then they might get unstable emotionally. They could sometimes interfere with the bets and destroy the good streak or the hit coming up.

I am not using the bots but I am applying the same strategy. May be everyone has been through the same strategy all the time, you know that increase the bet amount with a certain % when we are losing, then double it when we lose by X% and shit. However, sometimes if a losing streak is coming then it is coming no matter what.

I have lost more than enough once on the freebitco multiplier, it took me couple of weeks courage to put everything together and then start wagering again. LOLZ


Title: Re: Gambling with entropy (Chaos)
Post by: Kakmakr on December 07, 2023, 04:51:06 PM
If you believe that every bet are unique and not in any way linked to previous bets, then no bot will ever be able to garantee 100% ROI or even profit. I have been trying bots for years now.. and it always ends in a zero balance.. sometimes it happens quickly, but sometimes it runs for an extended period and then suddenly the switch is flipped and it goes to zero. (figuratively)

The "Seuntjies" bots has given me some of the best results... but if you play for too long, it just wipe your funds.   :P


Title: Re: Gambling with entropy (Chaos)
Post by: Wiwo on December 07, 2023, 07:34:04 PM
It's nice to see someone posting their strategy along with pics and source code of how they placed their bets.
Not everyone does it. So cheers to that @seoincorporation. It's good that you are making profits at the end of the day.
Keep monitoring your profits and I hope you don't end up using it all up for betting and lose it. Try to use a strategy for limiting losses as well.
Yeah, this is the first time Ihavem seen such development from members of this forum who will go public with all the betting strategy and source code to help others,  I don't know why such an act is popular more on other platforms such as telegram than it is in this forum.

Maybe the reason for that is the possibility of losing even with the first bet,  so members here are careful not to give out such advice or guidance because of the fear of leading those who take the risk to lose,  but then also,  anyone who wants to take such advice should do so with the understanding that there is nothing like sure strategy to winning and they should bet only amount they can afford to lose.


Title: Re: Gambling with entropy (Chaos)
Post by: khaled0111 on December 07, 2023, 11:55:32 PM
If you believe that every bet are unique and not in any way linked to previous bets, then no bot will ever be able to garantee 100% ROI or even profit. I have been trying bots for years now.
I had the same experience. Although I know those strategies do not and can not work, I gave it a try. I tried different strategies and the result was always the same.. lost, no surprise!
The main reason why those strategies won't work is the house edge which will slowly drain your wallet. Even if a strategy, like martingale is, theoretically, supposed to work, it won't. Because the house will not let it. Aside from the house edge, the house will put some limits to make sure your strategy will fail on the long run.


Title: Re: Gambling with entropy (Chaos)
Post by: delfastTions on December 09, 2023, 07:10:24 AM
This requirement also violates the human right to privacy, which is guaranteed by the fundamental documents of human rights.  
That's what I think.

It is, as you said, humiliating.

There are some reasons why KYC would be justified, even though in most cases it vulnerates the human right to privacy, it's true. For example, it is good to verify that no children have access to gambling (is is now being discussed in my country whether it would be advisable KYC to see porn, with a strong interest followed mainly by the feminists). But not for money laundering, because under suspicion of being guilty, the police can find a criminal without having to impose mandatory identification to every citizen.

I still think that there must be a way to probe online that you are an adult without giving away all your personal data. Maybe the blockchain could hold this info cyphered, so anyone could sign a message for example to prove that he is 18+.

Users has human rights to privacy, i agree with that, but the casinos make the game rules, and if you want to play in their engines then you need to follow their rules. And casinos don't implement KYC just to fuck around with users, they have reasons for it:

* Avoid users underage.
* Avoid promotions abuse
* Avoid money laundering

But user can take the desition if gamble with those rules or not. That's why i use my betting bots in JD, they don't have KYC, they don't care about bots, and they allow multiple accounts. So, for me those are fair rules for the users.
If we say that the casino, when conducting the KYC verification procedure, makes sure that children under 18 years of age cannot gamble, then this is of course correct, but in my opinion a much greater responsibility lies with the parents or guardianship of such a child.  They should be monitoring this, not the casino.  And parents should prevent their children from trying to gamble.  
As for money laundering, this is also not the concern of the casino.  This should be done by law enforcement agencies, and they, in turn, have all the necessary tools to find out the identity without any KYC.  
So it turns out that by requiring KYC, the casino is not doing its own business, but is doing some unnecessary extra work to collect personal information.  And by the way, there is also a burden in the form of special storage of confidential databases.  And the potential vulnerabilities of the business itself in the event of theft or hacking of these databases.  Does the casino itself need to do all this?  Most likely it is not necessary at all.  
So we come to the conclusion that KYC should die out in casinos over time.

That's right, delfastTions, but there are other interests too besides those of casino managers and gamblers. As long as KYC is the most effective way for controllers to do their job, it seems that human rights like privacy and personal data protection principles like the one about minimization of data can be broken, until a Court decides otherwise.

So, taking into account that rule makers won't change their mind in the short term, the best solution, again, IMO, would be to create some kind of system which would allow the user verify different checkmarks (age, nationality,...) without the need to conduct all the KYC process as we know it today with ID card, Passport, selfie and/or whatever other documents required.
Perhaps you are right that some kind of identification of the player, such as ticking his age from the intervals of 10 years proposed in the table and confirming with a tick that the player is over 18 years old, would be sufficient to replace this mandatory KYC with photographs of the face and documents.  Now, if, in the process of transforming player identification, at least part of the casino gradually began to refuse to request photos of documents and the player’s face, for example, calling such a procedure KYC (but in a super-lightened form), I would consider this a good and significant advance and progress in the development of the gambling industry  games in general.  Or, for example, identification solely by email address with the player’s response that he is 18+ years old and no other data.  In this case, a communication channel is also maintained for some individual requests and responses from the casino.  And also call it lightweight KYC, in order to fulfill the requirements of the law.  In all these cases, confidentiality is maintained in a form acceptable to the player and at the same time legal requirements are (partially) fulfilled. 

I think that these are the best options for players when they use cryptocurrency payments exclusively in games. 
And this is the optimal compromise between the casino, the player and the regulatory authorities.


Title: Re: Gambling with entropy (Chaos)
Post by: Porfirii on December 09, 2023, 02:44:49 PM
-snip-

I think that these are the best options for players when they use cryptocurrency payments exclusively in games. 
And this is the optimal compromise between the casino, the player and the regulatory authorities.

Yes, it sounds a little bit utopian, but that would be the most reasonable solution for all the parties involved. Unfortunately, not all the parties have the same negotiation power, or awareness of the problem. Maybe with time, when people gets angry because of so many data leaks, more of them will demand a solution like that.


Title: Re: Gambling with entropy (Chaos)
Post by: Bushdark on December 09, 2023, 03:53:05 PM
Well, I guess someone just really needed to say the fucking truth from his experiences over time... If he's tried using a bot as smart as the opertees itself and it turned out this miserable, are they any resolutions to his ambitions then??
Look, I don't really wanna look at how simply programed this bots might has been ... yunno why?? Cus I believe 'em domains don't have the abilities to counter a Strange, reprogrammed bot analysis...or since when was that made viable??

Sandra 🧑‍🦰
Like people says, the Ruth is better and that is what we need to understand so that we don't fall victim to what casino owners will keep saying that they ahvw probably fair casino games for users to benefit from. There is no way someone will create something for a use and will not utilize a way they can earn from the same thing. Gambling is a good not just for luck but for us to understand what we are doing so that we can understand the way we could earn at the say time gambling.


Title: Re: Gambling with entropy (Chaos)
Post by: borovichok on December 11, 2023, 01:50:03 PM
If you believe that every bet are unique and not in any way linked to previous bets, then no bot will ever be able to garantee 100% ROI or even profit. I have been trying bots for years now.
Bots in gambling, it's an easy mission but it doesn't require basic measures, consider easy techniques involved in the system. No bets is assured a legit or trustworthy one because the system comprises of volatility and spending our time and money on the system, it means we have targets to meet and not underestimating any phase in the system, we just have to learn from every step taken and proceeds to the final stages that will results in profits. Bets are unique in their special ways, not everyone can easily adapts to gambling because of its broad range.


Title: Re: Gambling with entropy (Chaos)
Post by: seoincorporation on December 11, 2023, 02:46:41 PM
...we don't fall victim to what casino owners will keep saying that they ahvw probably fair casino games for users to benefit from.
The benefit from provably fair games is the fact that you can modify your user seed (to avoid the casino choosing the next rolls for you) and you can verify each roll, making from that a fair gambling session. And that's a benefit to the user because he knows the casino is not cheating. If you compare these provably fair games with slots you will see the difference between letting luck choose the rolls and letting the casino do it.

There is no way someone will create something for a use and will not utilize a way they can earn from the same thing. Gambling is a good not just for luck but for us to understand what we are doing so that we can understand the way we could earn at the say time gambling.
The provable fair was made to make the game fair, but not to make the users win, remember, the casinos have a house edge, and that's what makes them win in the long run.


Title: Re: Gambling with entropy (Chaos)
Post by: delfastTions on December 12, 2023, 06:29:11 AM
-snip-

I think that these are the best options for players when they use cryptocurrency payments exclusively in games. 
And this is the optimal compromise between the casino, the player and the regulatory authorities.

Yes, it sounds a little bit utopian, but that would be the most reasonable solution for all the parties involved. Unfortunately, not all the parties have the same negotiation power, or awareness of the problem. Maybe with time, when people gets angry because of so many data leaks, more of them will demand a solution like that.
Of course, I live in the real world and understand the utopian nature of such a solution to the issue on the part of the government and the casino. 
Moreover, now with the introduction of CBDC in many countries, the anonymity of any payments is completely lost. 
However, the issue of maintaining anonymous payments is still important, and I still hope that some reasonable solution will be found on a global scale.  And many players in casinos using cryptocurrencies will be spared the need to constantly provide their personal data for each new casino with a license.  Moreover, in such a form as, for example, a video of a person, simultaneously documents and at the same time a monitor screen with transactions and clearly visible public addresses of cryptocurrency wallets.  And similar nonsense.


Title: Re: Gambling with entropy (Chaos)
Post by: bitbollo on December 12, 2023, 06:32:31 AM
they are all interesting bots and very useful calculations for understanding the mechanism of a bet but no matter how hard you try it is not possible to win more than was predicted from the initial odds ::)

I don't think there is one scheme that is more convenient than another, in fact it is not mathematically possible but it is absolutely true that variance can create big problems for a casino ;)


Title: Re: Gambling with entropy (Chaos)
Post by: Obari on December 12, 2023, 06:53:20 AM
There are different strategies that some gamblers will have and develop for themselves in a way to earn more than they can lose, but with all strategies that we are using, let us know that we may lose at anytime. Because a strategy works for us the first, second and third time, that does not still mean the strategy can be efficient enough to continue to let us win than lose. What I am only saying is that we should gamble wisely and responsibly.
Wise and responsible betting should always be the way out irrespective of the strategy we have and over the time,  I’ve always know that strategies always fade off along the line as time goes on and I don’t actually enjoy using bots for gambling not even for trading and since I’m personally not a heavy gambler, I think I don’t like bothering myself with bits and the rest of that.
@ op it seems to stay profitable with your bot, one might need some reasonable amount of money right ? If yes then I have to pull out because I only gamble with relatively very small amount of money at a time.

Good luck and it seems you’re already making a lot of profits with consistency in what you do.


Title: Re: Gambling with entropy (Chaos)
Post by: junder on December 12, 2023, 09:46:16 AM
If you believe that every bet are unique and not in any way linked to previous bets, then no bot will ever be able to garantee 100% ROI or even profit. I have been trying bots for years now.
I had the same experience. Although I know those strategies do not and can not work, I gave it a try. I tried different strategies and the result was always the same.. lost, no surprise!
The main reason why those strategies won't work is the house edge which will slowly drain your wallet. Even if a strategy, like martingale is, theoretically, supposed to work, it won't. Because the house will not let it. Aside from the house edge, the house will put some limits to make sure your strategy will fail on the long run.

I myself think there is no strategy in this case, the strategy or pattern that does exist but I'm not sure that it will get a definite victory, some people do believe in existing strategies and patterns to get victory, I also repeatedly use patterns that are said to make it easier to get victory, and the results remain the same, only defeat is obtained. therefore I do not believe in strategies or patterns to facilitate victory so that it can be obtained, I only believe in luck that favors. and in my opinion the existing strategy or pattern is just nonsense not to facilitate victory in can. the fact is like that, the host will not give an easy victory, they will drain the wallet of the players.

The fact is like that, the host will not give an easy victory, they will drain the players' wallets to the end. even if the patterns and strategies can really make it easier to win, maybe there won't be many people who lose a lot of money. it is likely that some of the many people will get a victory because they use existing strategies and patterns.


Title: Re: Gambling with entropy (Chaos)
Post by: seoincorporation on December 12, 2023, 02:37:14 PM
@ op it seems to stay profitable with your bot, one might need some reasonable amount of money right ? If yes then I have to pull out because I only gamble with relatively very small amount of money at a time.

Good luck and it seems you’re already making a lot of profits with consistency in what you do.


they are all interesting bots and very useful calculations for understanding the mechanism of a bet but no matter how hard you try it is not possible to win more than was predicted from the initial odds ::)

I don't think there is one scheme that is more convenient than another, in fact it is not mathematically possible but it is absolutely true that variance can create big problems for a casino ;)

I make some nice profit with that method, my account information is public:

https://just-dice.com/user/3016116
Code:
{
    "play": {
        "balance": 0.03511000,
        "bets": 1307384,
        "wagered": 74016.24949960,
        "profit": 41594.06150450
    },
    "invest": {
        "balance": 0.00000000,
        "onsite": 0.00000000,
        "offsite": 0.00000000,
        "percent": 0.00000000,
        "profit": 202.57341856
    }
}

The last big win was +18550.4 with a 1.87 bet on x9900 https://just-dice.com/roll/6162464236

After that i stop using that account. After that i make the mistake of chasing the biggest win of the year +24k but getting greedy without luck is always a mistake, i was chasing the multiplier x30,000 with 1 clam, but i couldn't hit it and that take my second account down to -28k (https://just-dice.com/user/622).

At least was fun to run a bot who chase the max win on the site, i keep chasing it time to time, and the only way to hit is by trying.


Title: Re: Gambling with entropy (Chaos)
Post by: Obari on December 12, 2023, 04:06:38 PM

At least was fun to run a bot who chase the max win on the site, i keep chasing it time to time, and the only way to hit is by trying.
Well that leads to the fact that you’ll have some reasonable amount of money to embark on this your not journey and most times I don’t toy with every dime I make and that’s why I gamble responsibly but nevertheless I would have loved to give your bot a trial but I don’t have any reasonable amount to gamble away now but frankly I’m not a fan of bot just as I’ve stated before but I hope to see more of your success stories.
Good luck.


Title: Re: Gambling with entropy (Chaos)
Post by: delfastTions on January 10, 2024, 08:06:28 AM

At least was fun to run a bot who chase the max win on the site, i keep chasing it time to time, and the only way to hit is by trying.
Now we are all already living in the new year 2024. By the way, I wish everyone a Happy New Year!   But the time is coming to take stock of the past 2023.  That's why the question is for the respected OP.  What are the results of your race with the help of your bot in 2023?  Did you manage to make a lot of money? 

And of course, the question is: are you improving your invention, is work continuing to improve the algorithms or any other improvements?


Title: Re: Gambling with entropy (Chaos)
Post by: seoincorporation on January 11, 2024, 05:05:54 PM
Now we are all already living in the new year 2024. By the way, I wish everyone a Happy New Year!   But the time is coming to take stock of the past 2023.  That's why the question is for the respected OP.  What are the results of your race with the help of your bot in 2023?  Did you manage to make a lot of money?  
It's gambling, we can't always win, i made some profit in one account and have lost in other one, but in the end i made some cash form it, maybe i get another of those crazy runs this year, who knows?

And of course, the question is: are you improving your invention, is work continuing to improve the algorithms or any other improvements?

I could say the last improvement on this bot was to change the x3000 for x10000, it's harder to hit, but when it does it pays huge, i have hit that multiplier like 8 times in thousands of bets.

And i have been playing with other codes, i like the +1 on the bet and +1 on the multiplier method... let's say you start with $2 on x2, then $3 x3, $4 x4, $5 x5... and i like that method because it's better than martingale, in the end of the run we will get the 50% of the total run price while in martingale we only get the amount of the first bet back.

Code:
$2 x2 - Lose
$4 x2 - Lose
$8 x2 - Lose
$16 x2 - $32 win

Total Bet: $30
Profit: $2

Code:
$2 x2 - Lose
$3 x3 - Lose
$4 x4 - Lose
$5 x5 - $25 Win

Total Bet: $14
Profit: $11

and starting from 0.0000001 you can leave the bot running for hours... with a low amount as 1 clam.

 


Title: Re: Gambling with entropy (Chaos)
Post by: delfastTions on January 17, 2024, 08:10:18 AM
Now we are all already living in the new year 2024. By the way, I wish everyone a Happy New Year!   But the time is coming to take stock of the past 2023.  That's why the question is for the respected OP.  What are the results of your race with the help of your bot in 2023?  Did you manage to make a lot of money?  
It's gambling, we can't always win, i made some profit in one account and have lost in other one, but in the end i made some cash form it, maybe i get another of those crazy runs this year, who knows?

And of course, the question is: are you improving your invention, is work continuing to improve the algorithms or any other improvements?

I could say the last improvement on this bot was to change the x3000 for x10000, it's harder to hit, but when it does it pays huge, i have hit that multiplier like 8 times in thousands of bets.

And i have been playing with other codes, i like the +1 on the bet and +1 on the multiplier method... let's say you start with $2 on x2, then $3 x3, $4 x4, $5 x5... and i like that method because it's better than martingale, in the end of the run we will get the 50% of the total run price while in martingale we only get the amount of the first bet back.

Code:
$2 x2 - Lose
$4 x2 - Lose
$8 x2 - Lose
$16 x2 - $32 win

Total Bet: $30
Profit: $2

Code:
$2 x2 - Lose
$3 x3 - Lose
$4 x4 - Lose
$5 x5 - $25 Win

Total Bet: $14
Profit: $11

and starting from 0.0000001 you can leave the bot running for hours... with a low amount as 1 clam.

 
This is probably what the result should have been.  By the way, I don’t really like the Martingale strategy either.  You are probably right that you are using the strategy you wrote about. 

But in general, as I understand it, you are simply interested in driving such a bot yourself, even if it does not provide any serious income.  And I understand you.  This is truly interesting entertainment and food for thought on what else can be improved or changed. 
And that’s why I wish you to continue to have fun like this.  In a global sense, this is also a game of chance.  :)


Title: Re: Gambling with entropy (Chaos)
Post by: mv1986 on January 17, 2024, 10:44:42 PM
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This is a very interesting approach and I only came to find about this a moment ago. I need to study the whole thread first and see what people had contributed, but I wonder whether you were able to already draw some conclusions for yourself?

When events are independent from each other and purely luck based, why do you think you could add some structure to the "data" by infusing some entropy?

I did some research for myself on the relation of entropy on fundamental analysis and technical analysis in trading. Since we have news incoming everyday and according to the information efficiency hypothesis these news have an influence on the price, I wanted to see how the impact of the news decrease in significance by giving the news an entropy parameter. For instance, "China bans Bitcoin" today is not causing as much entropy as per the information efficiency hypothesis as it did a decade ago. But I am not yet done. My point is that there is probably more likely a reproducible way to include entropy into some formula as it is in a purely luck-based outcome environment.

You said chaos comes in waves for the casino, but are you talking about individual users or the entire user base? Because how would it be possible that all players choose to bet either low or big in a certain period of time? 


Title: Re: Gambling with entropy (Chaos)
Post by: delfastTions on January 23, 2024, 11:38:59 AM
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This is a very interesting approach and I only came to find about this a moment ago. I need to study the whole thread first and see what people had contributed, but I wonder whether you were able to already draw some conclusions for yourself?

When events are independent from each other and purely luck based, why do you think you could add some structure to the "data" by infusing some entropy?

I did some research for myself on the relation of entropy on fundamental analysis and technical analysis in trading. Since we have news incoming everyday and according to the information efficiency hypothesis these news have an influence on the price, I wanted to see how the impact of the news decrease in significance by giving the news an entropy parameter. For instance, "China bans Bitcoin" today is not causing as much entropy as per the information efficiency hypothesis as it did a decade ago. But I am not yet done. My point is that there is probably more likely a reproducible way to include entropy into some formula as it is in a purely luck-based outcome environment.

You said chaos comes in waves for the casino, but are you talking about individual users or the entire user base? Because how would it be possible that all players choose to bet either low or big in a certain period of time? 
It persistently seems to me that there is some element of common sense in taking into account the laws of entropy in calculations of future options for resolving issues, including in such an area as gambling.  Among other things, it is apparently worth taking into account the option of wave movement of bet parameters in games and the time intervals of these wave changes.  In other words, periodicity and some repeatability of events.  I think that it is probably still possible, with a probability clearly greater than 50%, to predict the course of events in matters of bet sizes or in matters of predicting future winning bets.  So OP is probably still doing interesting research and may well figure it out and even succeed a little.  Therefore, I wish him to continue to engage in this research whenever possible.


Title: Re: Gambling with entropy (Chaos)
Post by: seoincorporation on January 23, 2024, 03:21:42 PM
This is a very interesting approach and I only came to find about this a moment ago. I need to study the whole thread first and see what people had contributed, but I wonder whether you were able to already draw some conclusions for yourself?

When events are independent from each other and purely luck based, why do you think you could add some structure to the "data" by infusing some entropy?
Even if events are independent from each other, chaos in gambling has some rules that we can confirm in the long run. A good example is the plinko distribution curve. It comes from a random process but the result is really close on each run of multiple bets.


I did some research for myself on the relation of entropy on fundamental analysis and technical analysis in trading. Since we have news incoming everyday and according to the information efficiency hypothesis these news have an influence on the price, I wanted to see how the impact of the news decrease in significance by giving the news an entropy parameter. For instance, "China bans Bitcoin" today is not causing as much entropy as per the information efficiency hypothesis as it did a decade ago. But I am not yet done. My point is that there is probably more likely a reproducible way to include entropy into some formula as it is in a purely luck-based outcome environment.
Trading is different, I agree with you on the point that news affects the markets, but the fact that whales can manipulate the markets by moving big amounts is a human decision and not a random process.

You said chaos comes in waves for the casino, but are you talking about individual users or the entire user base? Because how would it be possible that all players choose to bet either low or big in a certain period of time? 
I have discussed this with multiple users, even with casino owners, and they don't think luck comes in waves. But there is a universal rule for gambling, You can't always win and you can't always lose, but since it's a random process you will lose on a bad streak and you can win on a good streak.