Gambling with entropy (Chaos)

[seoincorporation]

I have been developing gambling bots in the past years and what I have learned is that we will never have an always-win bot, doesn't matter the method, you will always lose in the long run.

But I have learned other things too... Like variance is the worst enemy for casinos (Big bets winning while low bets losing), and streaks come like waves. So, lose while betting low and win while betting win. I know is easy to say but we don't know when the next good wave will come. That's why we should add some chaos to our strategy.

I have been talking about my weird betting methods in the past:

Chasing a x330,000
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5406456.0

My new favorite betting method.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5461882.0

Both of them are good chaos examples, on the first one we have a bot who was making 20bets/sec. until hit x330,000 and the second one is a bot that gives you x1.5 of the lost amount after a hit.

But this time I decided to take the chaos to another level, I made a bot to hit x3300, and these are the rules:

1.- Divide Balance / 1500
2.- Bet on: x3300, x8.25, x3300,x8.25.... until hit x3300
3.- Random Hi/Lo
4.- When the balance get's down to 75% bet amount goes x2
4.- When the balance get's down to 50% bet amount goes x4

Proof of hits:
https://just-dice.com/roll/6141329807
https://just-dice.com/roll/6140238438





UPDATE: Here is the source code.

Code:

var chance = 5.8; var a = 1; divider=1500;
var balance = parseFloat(document.getElementById('pct_balance').value);
var target = balance*2;
var b = ((balance/divider).toFixed(8));
var mybet;
document.getElementById('pct_chance').value = chance;
parseFloat(document.getElementById('pct_bet').value = b);
function dobet(){
balancez = document.getElementById('pct_balance').value;
var stuit = document.getElementById('pct_bet').value;
var count = document.getElementById("nonce").innerText;
    if(count%2==0){
        document.getElementById('pct_chance').value = 0.030;
    }else{
        document.getElementById('pct_chance').value = 12.0;      
    }
if (mybet==null) {
mybet = stuit;
}
if (((balancez*1.25)<balance)&&(balancez<balance)) {
mybet = b*2;
}
if (((balancez*1.5)<balance)&&(balancez<balance)) {
mybet = b*4;
}
if (balancez>balance*1.2) {
    balance = balancez;
    b = ((balance/divider).toFixed(8));
    mybet = b;
}
if (balancez>=target) {
return;
}
if (a==0) {
return;
}
balancez = document.getElementById('pct_balance').value;
parseFloat(document.getElementById('pct_bet').value = ((mybet*1).toFixed(8)));
Math.random() < 0.5 ? $('#a_hi').click() : $('#a_lo').click();
}
setInterval(() => dobet(), 40);

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[Aanuoluwatofunmi]

I have been developing gambling bots in the past years and what I have learned is that we will never have an always-win bot, doesn't matter the method, you will always lose in the long run.

I wish all bot users cab see this to learn from, because some will emphatically told you that they cannot be fulfilled without going through the use of bot, yet when they give a try on anyone they found out that there's nothing much it has to offer than what they have already been used to, we seems not been satisfied in some cases not until we get some things done in other to get our satisfaction over it be it good or bad consequence on us, for someone like me, i may adopt the use of bot but ot in bettings that i do.

[yahoo62278]

What is the total profit so far? Can clams even be traded on any exchanges these days? Last I knew shapeshift was the only place to get them, but maybe you know of another exchange?

[seoincorporation]

What is the total profit so far?

I have been betting on that site for years, and my profit after 1,189,133 bets is 3,126.71 clams until today.

My profit from staking on the site is 200.36 clams as you can see in the image:



And I have done staking on my own core for a profit close to 1500 or more in the past years.

Right now I'm not holding a big amount, my server has 4471 for staking, and I'm getting 1 clam/day.

Can clams even be traded on any exchanges these days? Last I knew shapeshift was the only place to get them, but maybe you know of another exchange?

There are 2 options for trading clams nowadays:

https://altquick.com/exchange/market/Clamcoin
https://freiexchange.com/market/CLAM/BTC

It still low as hell, but maybe one day a whale decide to have fun with the markets, lol.

But to be clear, this is not about the coin, is about gambling and the chaos on bets. Maybe a bot like this for Stake would be nice.

[yahoo62278]

But to be clear, this is not about the coin, is about gambling and the chaos on bets. Maybe a bot like this for Stake would be nice.

Yes, I know. I was just curious as to how well the bot was performing and if most this profit was from specifically botting or some manual betting tossed in there? I wasn't trying to derail by talking about the coin itsself.

[Porfirii]

Seoincorporation, I'm happy to see that you follow with your experiment and that it is granting you several moments of joy. If I'm not wrong, you got with your system more than double the clams than staking through the years, isn't it?

I hope you good luck and clams going to the moon soon. Just make sure you don't lose them in a losing spree in the casino while in auto-pilot

[Kakmakr]

Well, just based on my own understanding of how betting works, there should be no patterns at all... that would create any "waves"    In theory all bets are unique and it does not look at previous bets from the past. It should in theory take the "Client" seed and the Random number generator and the "Server" seed and then generate the outcome. 

I have tested almost every "Dice" strategy that has been posted online and also some bots and none of them are giving any good results in the long run.... the casino always win over time. 

[davis196]

But I have learned other things too... Like variance is the worst enemy for casinos (Big bets winning while low bets losing), and streaks come like waves. So, lose while betting low and win while betting win. I know is easy to say but we don't know when the next good wave will come. That's why we should add some chaos to our strategy.

"Chaos" and "strategy" are two words that shouldn't be added in the same sentence.
Having an actual strategy excludes the possibility of relying on random results(or chaos as you say).
I agree that big bets that are winning are the worst enemy of every casino, but in the long run almost all bets are losing and the casinos try everything they can to keep the gamblers playing and betting as long as possible. The worst enemy of every casino is the gambler, who wins big, withdraws his money/coins and leaves the casino.
I don't agree that winning steaks come like waves. This isn't statistically proven and it seems more like a gambler's delusion to me.

[Oshosondy]

There are different strategies that some gamblers will have and develop for themselves in a way to earn more than they can lose, but with all strategies that we are using, let us know that we may lose at anytime. Because a strategy works for us the first, second and third time, that does not still mean the strategy can be efficient enough to continue to let us win than lose. What I am only saying is that we should gamble wisely and responsibly.

[BitcoinPanther]

Well, just based on my own understanding of how betting works, there should be no patterns at all... that would create any "waves"    In theory all bets are unique and it does not look at previous bets from the past. It should in theory take the "Client" seed and the Random number generator and the "Server" seed and then generate the outcome. 

I have tested almost every "Dice" strategy that has been posted online and also some bots and none of them are giving any good results in the long run.... the casino always win over time. 

@OP is overwhelming the game with many bets in different variance.  It is obvious that with so many bets with variance, one of them will hit huge.  I also don't think that anyone can guess the next pattern (if there is) so the idea given by @OP is somehow very hard.  Though it is very interesting that OP is able to walk the talk since he has proof that in a way it is possible.  The problem would be the timing of huge bet to win huge, since we all know any result in gambling is random though the numbers will fix that.
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But I have learned other things too... Like variance is the worst enemy for casinos (Big bets winning while low bets losing), and streaks come like waves. So, lose while betting low and win while betting win. I know is easy to say but we don't know when the next good wave will come. That's why we should add some chaos to our strategy.

There are different strategies that some gamblers will have and develop for themselves in a way to earn more than they can lose, but with all strategies that we are using, let us know that we may lose at anytime. Because a strategy works for us the first, second and third time, that does not still mean the strategy can be efficient enough to continue to let us win than lose. What I am only saying is that we should gamble wisely and responsibly.

I think in a luck-type game, the only strategy we can implement is something that has to do with the bankroll management.  We all know that any strategy will eventually lose in the long run and those who made huge bet and win with huge multiplier just get lucky.

[Fivestar4everMVP]

There are different strategies that some gamblers will have and develop for themselves in a way to earn more than they can lose, but with all strategies that we are using, let us know that we may lose at anytime. Because a strategy works for us the first, second and third time, that does not still mean the strategy can be efficient enough to continue to let us win than lose. What I am only saying is that we should gamble wisely and responsibly.

Well, one thing I have always thought about is, if it were possible to always win with a bot, gambling with bots would have become really popular since every gambler out there are all after one thing, and that is, how to beat the casino.

And maybe if this was possible, most casinos would have gone bankrupt due to players winning much more than they(the casinos) can pay.

But I honestly like ops statement in the begining of the thread, as he made it clear that, even as a bot developer himself, who have had a lot of experience gambling through bots, that it is impossible to find a bot that will guarantee a constant win as long as gambling it's gambling, even bots in trading still lose some trades..

But then again, I might love to try ops bots if he will get willing to permit and also share a guideline of how to set it up, I've never gambled with a bot before, will be so interesting to learn this ..

[bitbollo]

interesting as always... at least on the paper...
because I am a bit skeptic in "real life" work (like other casino/coins....)
I am curious...how did you choose both odds for betting? I mean you have x3300 why not x5000 or x1000?
have you tried more runs or just these 2 that you show on OP?

[Ojima-ojo]

There are different strategies that some gamblers will have and develop for themselves in a way to earn more than they can lose, but with all strategies that we are using, let us know that we may lose at anytime. Because a strategy works for us the first, second and third time, that does not still mean the strategy can be efficient enough to continue to let us win than lose. What I am only saying is that we should gamble wisely and responsibly.

In gambling, loses is the most witnessed events at all time, and in most cases a newbie gamblers is welcomed with series of loses before he eventually become strategic to win his or her first bets this is why gambling is gigh risk, and no strategy is free from such happening.


I don't believe in bot usage in gambling since gambling is only but a high risk unpredictable activity and at that since the bot is coded to work in a particular way, even though they register some success at first, they will still not record consistent success so for that it a bad idea to use bots to gamble and rather it far better to develop a personal model to analyse the games at all point since that is the only way you record success even if it not all time.

[Doan9269]

There are different strategies that some gamblers will have and develop for themselves in a way to earn more than they can lose, but with all strategies that we are using, let us know that we may lose at anytime. Because a strategy works for us the first, second and third time, that does not still mean the strategy can be efficient enough to continue to let us win than lose. What I am only saying is that we should gamble wisely and responsibly.

Well said, everything has to be done in gambling by taking the risk involved which is the price for it, we know ourselves thst we can't continue to have winining each time we bet, this is not only about the strategy employed now, it's also about the game we play and our individual abilities towards understanding how to make use of a particular betting strategy to our gambling experience each time we are on it to bet.

[seoincorporation]

Yes, I know. I was just curious as to how well the bot was performing and if most this profit was from specifically botting or some manual betting tossed in there? I wasn't trying to derail by talking about the coin itsself.

I would say the profit from this bot is close to 2600, and i have done 20k bets approx with this method. I have been lucky because i get the hit before the martingale gets too high. But still a nice bot, i ran it last night again and hit the x3300, two times.

I am curious...how did you choose both odds for betting? I mean you have x3300 why not x5000 or x1000?
have you tried more runs or just these 2 that you show on OP?

To choose the odds i had something clear in mind,one of them is the printer to hit the moon and the other one is only to get fuel for the long run, for the printer i started with x100, then try x1000 and then x2000, i hit will all of them, that's why no I'm with x3300, but maybe i edit that line to chase something bigger in the future. and the x8.25 has been dynamic, i still testing to find a multiplier that allow me to feed the long run, it can be x5, x8, x17.

And i have tried more than 2 runs, i have been running the bot for days, so, i would say i have more than 20 runs with this method. And hits i have like 8.

[crwth]

I like this idea. It's a truly random thing that you would be able to "defeat" somehow the possible algorithms that casinos have in order to make sure that they are profitable. I like the idea. I have dabbled in it a little bit and I think you have hit the jackpot and the sweet spot based on the result that you gave.

I'm following your thread now.

[so98nn]

All this bot thing is really crazy man. I never thought I would see an experiment like this. OP you better keep this thread alive and show us your results all the time. I am feeling like this bot can do better than what I am doing manually over these years. Lolz. I assume this can only bet on arcade games and not very much focused on slots. Not even sure if that works on slots because they are more complex to bet on. Just assuming, since I have no idea how this bot works.

You have made good UI it seems from the posted images. Is it available for the commercial usage or are you just experimental guy who makes it for yourself.

[hopenotlate]

I also enjoy setting up dice strategies just for the sake of it, I'm well aware we cant' beat the house edge in the long run, and , not having coding skills, the only site I use to do this is Wolf.Bet because their autobet feature is really awesome and customizable even for a monkey like me.
I wonder how could I try your bots on some other site? How can you implement those scripts to make them running?

[Westinhome]

There are different strategies that some gamblers will have and develop for themselves in a way to earn more than they can lose, but with all strategies that we are using, let us know that we may lose at anytime. Because a strategy works for us the first, second and third time, that does not still mean the strategy can be efficient enough to continue to let us win than lose. What I am only saying is that we should gamble wisely and responsibly.

Many gambler will start to develop their own strategies for gambling,Some of the strategies may work and get them some money.Some of the gambling strategies will not work and leads to some big loss.So gambler should ready to face both of the game.Gambler should get happier on the winning and should not get sad at the loss.Most of the experienced gambler will get into many depression by the loss.But they will take this sportive as compared to the normal gambler.The normal gambler will get depressed on every loss,surely it will affect the game.For this many experienced will not take the loss into the mind.

[ryzaadit]

Finally, someone who is creating a thread, and tried the method.

I happy to see kind of feedback, especially for the person who are actually tried the method or any kind of strategy rather than seeing a random thread for suggestions while they're not actually tried by them self.
Did you ever experience, each time you are on gross-profit change the seed maybe ? and see the result not really stick into one single seed.