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Fury should have no issues beating Francis Ngannou next month as 1.1 favourite with sportsbet.io so this is a done deal to unify the heavyweight division and see who is the baddest man on the planet.

Where is now that looser member KTChampions who claimed that Tyson Fury is afraid of Oleksandr Usyk and dont want to fight him?  ;D
I cant wait to see how odds will change in next week weeks but I am betting on Fury without a doubt.
Fight against Francis Ngannou will be a nice warm up for him.

What a bunch of bollocks that was  :P

Now this is the real boxing unlike the upcoming fight of Fury against Ngannou.  It is obvious that Tyson will come out victorious in his upcoming fight and this Fury-Usyk would be the first heavyweight undisputed fight in the four belt era, a history in the making and will be forever recorded in the annals of boxing history as the first undisputed heavyweight champion in the current four belt era.

I am 50-50 on this take since both have their own strength.  Fury taking advantage of his reaches and height while Usyk is good in finding and creating angles to land his punches, so I think this upcoming undisputed fight can go either way.

People always fall for cheap talking points when it reinforces their preferred narrative. It was always obvious that Fury was looking for the best possible deal and wasn't going to give in to unreasonable demands.

I've always believed that Fury would defeat Usyk in dominant fashion and I still stand by that. Fury will use his size to wear Usyk down and stop him in the middle to late rounds. I don't think Usyk is capable of seriously hurting him so Fury might also opt for a more reckless strategy and try to finish the fight early for a more emphatic victory.

This should be a pretty exciting matchup! I would put my money on Fury tho, he seems to be at the top of his game. Also the pre-fight shttalking is going to be epic, bet Fury gona get some shorts that go up to his neck so anything Usyk does is under the belt lmao
Fury will ofc first need to get past Ngannu without receiving serious damage, if he manages that, i think he wins this.

It's already been epic, both of them are trolling each other in social media even before the fight is being announced. And yes, it's just a matter of time before this became official and I would say that no one is surprised to see the fight being held in Saudi again. Because we all know that there are a lot of money flowing in Middle East so it make sense.

It think that what his team is expecting for Tyson Fury. He could toy Francis though before breaking him down. He just need to used his skills and not to get tagged by the power of Francis and he will be ok.

This is the fight that should and must happen the title boxing's first undisputed heavyweight champion in the four-belt era will put the winner as the greatest heavyweight boxer of all time and will be the winner's greatest legacy in boxing, I just hope Fury will take care of Ngannou business and he will come out uninjured so he can prepare for this important fight of his boxing career, Usyk will have a long rest just enough to condition him for the Fury fight.

I'm sure Ngannou is fully aware of this and he is the guy who can jeopardize this fight by beating or worse knocking out Fury so he is preparing for this fight but we all know Fury always takes care of business in a grand fashion.

This is it, the fight that fans really wanted to happen but one thing I don't like is that they overlooked the capability of Ngannou, which is a big disrespect for him. Don't know what is stipulated in the contract, if Fury loses against Ngannou, will the fight still push through?

Hopefully, Ngannou will pull an upset. It's probably bigger than Iron Mike's first defeat. But I doubt Ngannou can do anything. If Fury won't give Ngannou a chance then he can easily use his footwork, use his long jabs, and clinch when cornered for the first 4 rounds. Ngannou will be gassed out afterward or even earlier.

But finally, Big Belly signed the dot. He is probably convinced that Usyk's weakness is in the body. And I'm glad it is not happening in the UK where Fury insisted before. At least this is in neutral Saudi Arabia. Hopefully, this will happen in December although it is unlikely. Ngannou is a nuisance but Fury does not want to think of Usyk in advance so he may need a minimum of two months of training camp for Usyk after the Ngannou fight. And if Fury does not want to train hard during the Christmas season then this fight might happen from March onwards of next year.

Ooh yeah! This will be a great fight, it will be a fight for the undisputed heavyweight champion again since Lennox Lewis. Here each fighter will have his own advantage, Usyk is speed and creativity, and Fury is the power of the blow, well, I guess I agree with you, here it seems to me 50/50.

Now the most important thing is that Fury does not lose to Ngannou in the fight, that should take place at the end of October, otherwise it will look very strange.  ;D

We're all waiting for that fight to happen the card is on Fury to beat Ngannou, if Ngannou beats Fury the fight could be derailed, Fury can still fight Usyk but the momentum will be on Usyk's side, I'm following Ngannou's camp he is being trained by Mike Tyson and Ngannou is so serious on his training.

Fury should not take Ngannou lightly I have seen fights that should been cherry-picked fight in preparation for a big fight that turned out bad one case is what happened to Anthony Joshua, I don't want to see that scenario I feel that there should be an undisputed champion in the heavyweight in a four-belt era and both Fury and Usyk deserves that title.

Finally, we are going to see the best fighters in the business. Whoever wins this fight should be the best heavyweight in the world. I'm wondering where Zhang will sit; he just recently defended the championship, right? But let's forget about that for now and focus on the upcoming big fight.

As for the betting odds, I'm not certain if they're official, but according to this source below, Fury is a heavy favorite.

https://box.live/boxing-betting/fury-vs-usyk-odds/
FURY (-250)
USYK ((+200)

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@LFC_Bitcoin do we have a voting poll?

I want this fight to happen, Zhang could wait for the winner of the fight or get a tune fight while waiting who the winner is, Zhang also deserves to have a crack on those titles after delivering a great performance against Joyce, Fury is the heavy favorite right now, but there could be a shift if Ngannou exposes him.

There should be a poll for this so we'll know if the majority of members here favor Fury, I like Fury but things could change after his match against Ngannou I hope he's still the same Fury we know.

If this list is updated. https://www.espn.ph/boxing/story/_/id/12370125/boxing-champions-list


I guess the winner of this fight could choose not to fight Zhilei Zhang as he is just a WBO interim champion. But for the sake of entertainment, promoters might schedule Zhilei Zhang for a fight against either the winner or the loser of the fight, as I'm pretty sure it will still generate a lot of money.

However, there's still someone in line to fight Fury, and that will be the winner of Wilder vs. Joshua (if this fight will also happen).

Oh yeah, Saudis have the money to make both of them very rich (not that they aint well off already) so it makes sense that the largest fights happen there.

I fully agree with him toying with Francis but he does have to stay on his toes because that dude does pack a punch. And sometimes all it takes is a freak shot from a side and its over, have seen it many times before.

Am also thinking with you that the Fury fight with Ngannou will be derailed. It is going to be an upset against the wish of bookmakers. How do we think that betting companies will allow Fury win it when it is obvious that many people will bet for him to win. It is going to be a very very easy way to win bets if that is allowed. Also since the bout is not a belt title fight and will not cause Fury anything he will not throw in all his strength to it so he does not sustain major injury that can weaken him against Usyk in a mouth watery titled fight of the century.

Am not going to bet on Fury to win. I will only watch it like WWE and its entertainment.

Not really sure what angle you’re coming from here. Even Usyk commented, "I’m 100% sure that Tyson Fury will be victorious."

https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/boxing/oleksandr-usyk-fury-ngannou-prediction-31260470

Francis will be like a sparring session for Fury, sort of a training but Fury should be worrying whether he could really fight after just 2-4 months.

https://www.boxingscene.com/usyk-on-injuries-ahead-fury-showdown-i-t-say-everything-ok-everythings-under-control--178633

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Usyk having an injury for which he needed 14 weeks to train is like a fight between Usyk and Fury written on the flowing waters. And him talking about injuries with no exact date or location yet. Something tells me it won't happen.

I agree with Usyk's assessment of the fight Fury always comes to fight he never holds back It is an understatement to say that Fury will not throw all his strength this is not a wrestling show it is boxing and boxers are trained to throw haymakers, when a boxer is hurt he will not hold back, there's no way Fury will think that I have a fight coming this January and I have to conserve my energy and not to take risk lest I get injured and the fight will be cancel.

When boxers are inside the ring they have to protect themselves at all times and they have to engage I expect Fury to give his best shot and knock out Ngannou
coming from Usyk I also have the same question.

It's a big embarrassment for Fury if Ngannou beats him in his game, boxing is his territory he knows everything on it and he knows how to pace himself 20 years is such a long experience for you to have a huge advantage for a guy who is just take up boxing and learning it in a few months

Maybe the Big Belly vs Ngannou fight is scripted? However, even without a script, it is still hard to imagine a 37-year-old who has been inactive for nearly 2 years beating a boxing champion in his debut. So Tyson Fury should be fine. My guess earlier is the fight with Usyk should happen before Christmas and New Year's or the fight will be moved to early March onwards.

The expected date is December 23. If Usyk has an injury he rather demand a later date or he will regret losing to Fury with an injury. Just like when his friend Loma lost a close fight to Teofimo Lopez and was only operated after the fight.

There's also a statement from Fury's camp that Usyk can file a case if he won't fight on December 23. It seems like the contract is signed but without a date and Big Belly is the one to decide it. I won't be surprised though if he tries to exploit Usyk again like giving a short notice to shorten the regular training camp.

I can't remember, but I read the Usyk is somewhat injured right now, so there is a big possibility that the Usyk vs Fury might push for next year. But still, Usyk said that he is willing to fight so for sure this fight is going to push through.

And yes, I don't see Francis putting up a massive upset on Tyson here. It's good that we see promotions in this fight. But it will take Francis to be lucky to hit Tyson and knock him out for good. That is the only way he can win this fight, with a knockout. But Tyson Fury is also a defensive boxer so I doubt that Francis can land his signature power punch just like he did in UFC.

Yes, he admitted that he suffered an injury from his last fight against Dubois but it's an old injury that needs to be healed, old boxers have these injuries it's not a big injury but it keeps coming back after every fight, I think he's been fighting with this injury, he did not elaborate further, its actually a good strategy for Fury not to take him seriously, its a mind game strategy employ by every boxers when there's a big fight coming and a Fury fight is the big fight of his career.

I don't rule out an upset, upset can happen to any boxer even the greatest boxers suffered an upset, I'm comfortable that Fury will win because he has a huge advantage in terms of power and ring generalship but if he relaxes and takes Ngannou for granted he can be hit by a phantom punch or a lucky punch.
Only 5 days to go and the excitement is going I'm sure the weigh-in and the fight will be a big hit.

Still Fury for me. There's a lot of hype around Francis now, but we know who the real deal is. This is boxing, and Fury is the king here. If Fury gets challenged in this fight, it could serve as a good tune-up match for him before the unification fight against Oleksandr Usyk.

It would also be advantageous for Usyk if the fight happens next year, giving him time to heal from any injuries, so that if he were to lose, he wouldn't have any excuses to fall back on.

Maybe the best question here is what round Fury obliterates Ngannou. And by the way, Usyk is the king, 4 belts to 1 and he owns the Ring belt. :D

If Usyk is injured then he should not allow a December 23 date. It's really crazy to see big fights when someone is already injured before the bell rings. It's like last weekend when Volk and Usman were late substitutes where they lost. No matter how they say there were no excuses, any hardcore fans cannot rule out in their minds that they were not at their best during those fights. So hopefully Usyk can set aside his machismo because it's not cool. And for sure Big Belly would love to fight someone injured and with less training time.

When it comes to the number of belts, Usyk has more of them, but when it comes to the quality of opponents beaten, I believe Fury has the edge. However, it might vary depending on how fans perceive it. What's important is that they'll fight, and then we'll truly know who the real king is.



That would be a disservice to the fans and bettors if Usyk were to fight with an injury and not disclose it. He should make sure he's at 100% before taking on Fury, especially since it's the biggest fight of his career. Even though he may have more belts, the bookmakers see Fury as having a better chance of winning.


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It's just crazy how they want to get each other's skin that Fury goes so far in announcing his fight with Usyk while his fight with Francis hasn't happened yet. No one has done that in the history of boxing.
But this could be the reason why Usyk is not up to what Fury is playing.

The Fury vs Usyk fight could have happened last Dec 2022 but Fury was ducking Usyk and instead fighting the ones he knows are no match to him such as Chisora.

Indeed, perhaps Fury's camp really knows that this is just a tune-up for him and the big fish is Usyk. Maybe they don't want to go to Usyk directly though and have him wait as we all know that there is also this element of pysche war going on between this two top HW fighters.

Usyk has his fight already, won (although it could be argued that it was controversial). Now it's time for Fury to win against Francis.

And once he win, obviously, it will be December or early next year for Usyk vs Fury.

no one would really believe Ngannou to win this while the odds obviously favor Fury 1.05 vs Ngannou 8.20. bookmaker already decides who wins the fight. by any chance, there will be an upset, it's gonna close to being rug-pulled by Ngannou. the MMA community will really be laughing hard while Dana gonna have a heart attack.

if there is anything to decide which side you gonna pick while you think this is just an exhibition, it would be a draw which is Draw 26.00.  
but some indicators that crazy boxing fans saw is that they made the fight last 10 rounds and bigger ring size as well. what could that mean as they could play a tag game inside?  ;D

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Yes, that odds was set by boomakers which is very high for Ngannou , and to think Ngannou would have a x8.20 odds, that's too attractive but who would dare to bet on that? This is an interesting fight but this isn't the right thread for such discussion, lets bring that discussion to  Tyson Fury vs Francis Ngannou Boxing October 28   (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5459433.0)... :)

Francis Ngannou reached a milestone in this fight even though he lost by a split decision, many are surprised by Ngannou's performance he is much better than some of the veteran boxers Fury has fought in the past.
Ngannou can have a good boxing career if he chooses he has good ring generalship and he knows how to time his fight, Ngannou will have a lot of great success for any combat sport that he wants to get.
Scoring a knockdown and coming in very close against a lenial World Heavyweight champion is a huge achievement for him and he should be proud of it, I thought Ngannou won the fight when the first scorecard was announced and he was leading on it.

Usyk will have a better view now on how to fight and beat Fury, if Ngannou almost beat Fury when it was his first boxing match what more can he do when is a a more veteran boxer in the ring.

I was impressed by Ngannou. His skill level and stamina are above that of somebody like Deontay Wilder. I would also probably rank him above Anthony Joshua and Andy Ruiz currently. He is also massive in size and pure muscle. Originally, I thought Fury would be able to use his size to dominate but as it turns out promoters have been lying about his height and he is only slightly taller than Ngannou.

Ngannou should forget about MMA and focus on boxing instead. That's where the money is at and he is certainly capable of becoming champion. From what we saw tonight, I wouldn't count him out against Fury in a rematch or against Usyk. The division just got a lot more interesting and I am excited to see who can become the ultimate king amongst these fighters.

Everyone was really impressed as what Ngannou shows us in his fight against Tyson Fury. Everyone thought that he will not last against the best HW of this generation. However, not only this he last 10 full 12 rounds, but he was able to knock him down in the 3rd round. If that is Joshua, I don't know if he was able to get back up without being damage mentally just like in the Ruiz fight.


I think he is not going back to MMA anymore, him and Dana had a lot of difference now. He should focus on his boxing and fight the likes of Joshua or Wilder or even second tier boxer from England to test his skills and obviously improved. And maybe after a couple more fights and he had that experience, he can go back and ask for a Tyson Fury rematch.

I don't know which one is more impressive, Francis scoring a knock down and almost winning the fight, or putting up a show for us and maybe believed that he won this fight if not for the judges screwing it up again or not really giving this one to him. At least a draw would have been better instead of giving it to Fury who didn't do anything after that knockdown in round three. Mike Tyson too will be proud of what Francis shows in this fight and almost pull one of the biggest upset.


It exposed Fury for sure, we all know that Usyk has also a great boxing IQ and seeing this fight first hand, he could have already building his strategy already and seeing himself on how he can beat Tyson Fury. Anyhow, the stage is set for Fury and Usyk, unification fight.

although won my bet fury by decision, i think ngannou won the fght seeing how devastating that KO was. if t was MMA fury would have been in his worse KO of his life. even on youtube comments they were saying francis was robbed.

 francis rally proved he is worthy of the opportunity, i guess he secured his boxing career which he will have another boxing fight in the future.

though he lost, he gained the respect. they are saving the face of boxing though so a fan i think will understand they let fury win. otherwise the boxing gyms will start adding MMA training.

It wasn't a KO, just a knockdown; otherwise, Ngannou would have already won and the fight is over in the first round.


That was a close fight; either fighter could have won, so we can really hear different sentiments from the people, especially since Ngannou scored a knockdown. However, it's very evident how Fury controlled the later rounds. I mean, Ngannou wasn't as aggressive anymore, and Fury was just racking up points with his jabs. That was the difference-maker in why Fury was able to rally in the score despite the knockdown. It's very rare to see a fighter get knocked down and still win the fight, but it's exceptional for Fury.

The fight is debatable but Ngannou just proved to so many critics that he is a cut above the rest of the MMA fighters who shift to boxing, he can dare anyone in boxing to fight him and people will take him seriously now, he can dare Wilder or Joshua to fight him and people will be interested to see that happen.

Any step that Ngannou will take will be interesting he can go to MMA again under a different organization and can still conquer the heavyweight division or he can take boxing seriously and make a lot of money and could possibly win a title.

He is freak though, super athletic that he can really shift from MMA to Boxing just like that. And also, he has one of the best heavyweight boxer that we have witnessed in Iron Mike and so it's more that enough that Francis is really motivated and the lessons that he learn from Mike Tyson really help him in this fight.


He made millions of dollars in boxing, so I doubt that he will come back to MMA regardless of what governing body it is. MMA can't offer him that money. Most likely his next fight in boxing will command more that this first fight as he proved that he can boxed with the best. And who knows, but chance or stroke of luck, he could be the first one to become a champion that cross over from MMA to Boxing.

Fury going to the Usyk fight with what happened will dampen a little bit of his confidence, he needs to train really hard because of his performance and Usyk's performance in their last fights, Usyk performed far better than Usyk Although he gets knockdown he manages to stop Dubois.
But the fight should happen they should settle once and for all who is the undisputed champion of this era.

I just can't imagine if the fight pushed through if Fury lost his fight the fight could have been canceled, many believed that Ngannou won the fight, or it could have been a draw, but we know the boxing organization will protect their interest, the fight against Usyk must push for the boxing community's interests.

This fight seems done deal. This could have been one of the reasons the organization decided to pick Fury as the winner. If it was Francis, Usyk vs Fury might not push through. There could be a delay since Fury has a cut on his forehead. Early next year probably and it will be huge money again for Fury regardless of the outcome.

Can't imagine the frustration of the people who bet for Ngannou to win, they must have been expecting a big win until the decision came.  Ngannou 8.20 won would be a treat. 

The unification of their belts is still set to happen, with Fury's fight against Francis being a non-title bout. However, this match will undoubtedly have a significant impact on Fury's confidence as he prepares to face Usyk, whereas Usyk's confidence is likely to grow. If Francis were to win, it wouldn't bode well for the boxing narrative, which is why many speculate that Fury was the preferred winner. I've heard numerous speculations to that effect, with some suggesting that Francis was unfairly judged, but, in the end, the outcome is what it is.



In the later rounds of the fight, Francis's odds dropped to +100. Was this a sign that he'll win? Yes, it was, because right from the beginning, Francis had already instilled hope in his supporters. Despite occasionally being struck by Fury's counters and jabs, he managed to hang in there.

And that's why Frank Warren suddenly is non committal on the December 26 date with Usyk. The reason according to them is that Fury will have to heal first, he had a swelling on his eye and his temple is cut by Francis power.

So now there is a sudden shift of for the Fury's camp, and it seems that they are not that confident to face Usyk. So I wouldn't be surprised if the fight is going to be pushed early next year and not December as they wanted to be because of Fury's performance against Ngannou.

In fairness to Tyson Fury, Usyk said that perhaps Tyson really underestimate Ngannou in their fight. And we really don't know if he put up in works and training for his fight as we can see, he doesn't seems to be as fit as his previous fight, with that big belly of him.

And it also cost him the fight, so I'm not surprised that they will have to change their tune for now, and let Fury physically heal from the beatings he got from Francis and then be ready for Usyk maybe June-February.

https://www.boxingnews24.com/2023/10/frank-warren-says-tyson-fury-needs-to-rest-until-2024-oleksandr-usyk-rematch-will-happen/

Fury’s promotor said that after a less than impressive performance by The Gypsy King, this fight is unlikely to happen in 2023. It’s far more likely that we will have to wait until 2024. It just builds the suspense I guess, this is the fight everybody wants to see, to unify the heavyweight division.

It's a wise decision, considering that this is currently the biggest fight of his career. There's no need to rush, especially when you take into account that Usyk is still in the process of healing from his injury, so he may not be at 100% yet. Postponing the fight until next year would likely benefit both fighters. Moreover, we've already witnessed an exciting bout between Fury and Ngannou recently, so people should savor the entertainment it provided before eagerly anticipating the next showdown.

It is better so that Fury does not make the excuse of saying he is just finishing a fight with Francis Ngannou, like he gave the excuse of being ring-rusty in that fight. Also knowing how important that fight is, it is good that they give both boxers enough time to prepare for the fight.

Aside from that this is one of the biggest fight of the history so they need to pump up its advertisement and marketing  two months of preparation for the event is too short both for the business and sports aspect of the deal.  It is really wise to move the date to later date since Fury needs recuperation after his fight against Francis Ngannou, 2 months is too short for recovery and training and may affect Tyson Fury's performance.

There should be no excuse in this fight so there no need to rush things out for Fury.  Let him recovers and prepare well for this fight in case Usyk win, there will be no excuse for Fury. :D

I think this is a good scenario for those who want Fury to be the unified heavyweight champion as the odds won't be that one-sided anymore because of that lackluster performance by the Gypsy King.

"Styles makes fight" so we can't be sure if Usyk will be cruising for a win against Fury, the latter's fight with Francis might be a trap for Usyk so he must prepare and bring his A game as this is the biggest fight of his career.

Fury completely underestimated his last opponent. He thought that it would be a piece of cake for professional boxer to beat MMA fighter in a boxing fight. Now, all of a sudden 2 months is not enough to recover and prepare for a fight against one of the best boxer. What a surprise. Fury has already spoiled his legacy with that split win against non boxer. Some experts say that this is the start of an end of his career. Imho, Usyk will be maximum motivated to win their fight and he will add a first loss in Fury's record.

It's obviously will put a lot of weight on Fury's career, I mean he should be winning against Francis in a easy manner. But Ngannou proved to be a good MMA/Boxer and he give Fury all he can handle and even scoring that big knock down that no one expected of him to do against the best Heavyweight boxers we have right now. It could be that Fury might be on the downside already because of this performance.

Hence, Usyk might see this weakness already and will try to exploit Fury in the mental games that they are playing. So it's better for Fury to just take a rest and fight Usyk early next year. I don't think he will recover enough till December.

News circulated about Usyk healing from his injuries and needing 14 weeks for his full training camp. And then Fury's camp said they will sue Usyk if he won't fight on December 23? And then before the Fury-Ngannou fight Usyk said that he would be ready by December 23 then. And now it is Fury's camp that does not want a December 23rd date? What a shame!

Krassyuk revealed that they actually set up a training camp in Spain. This is the second time that Fury refuses to fight Usyk upon knowing that the Ukrainian already started training. Fury just wanted to fight an injured and a less-prepared version of Usyk. Maybe they just sue Fury if he won't fight on December 23 because this might not really happen.

so it's not happening after all. so much for the heavyweight unification that we have been waiting for, they would have created the biggest fight in history but times just do not permit it. besides Fury just won $50M with Ngannou fight. the big man wouldn't worry about his life in decades.

when the article about Usyk being injured came out, it already meant nothing would happen and it's very well-timed that Fury wants to troll Ngannou that he has another fight after theirs.

I think that main reason for delay is Tyson Fury busted head, deep cut on his forehead, and he probably have few more injuries.
Ngannou was much better and I think he surprised everyone that night, Fury was not really taking him seriously.
Oleksandr Usyk was in the arena that night and I watched his short statements, he was shocked when Ngannou knocked down Fury.
I think the odds will now be much different for Fury vs Usyk fight.

There are more injuries than what we are seeing and of course, a wounded pride I don't think Fury can take the December 23 fight and will fight to have it in January but Usyk of course will insist because Fury is more vulnerable if he fights him in this December because the wounds is not yet totally healed.

It was Fury's camp fault they underestimated Ngannou's capability in the ring, they all thought that it was going to be an easy fight now they have to find a way for the fight not to push through this December and they are hoping that Usk agreed for a January or February date.

For Fury to be able to battle Usyk whenever the match is scheduled, Fury needs to put more effort into strengthening his body stamina. He should be aware that Usyk would hurt him more than he could comprehend if he were to utilize the identical strength and boxing techniques that he used to defeat Ngannou.

Usyk was present during Fury's battle with Ngannou. He watched as Fury's flaws came to light during the battle. He'll think he can defeat Fury via knockout.

For that not to happen, Fury should begin making every effort to prepare for his upcoming battle against "Usyk," (the beast of the boxing ring), as soon as possible (possibly in December). 

This will be a fight for the ages and I am really looking forward to it. Lets hope it can still happen end December but both fighters (especially Fury) need to be in top shape. If that is the case, I think Fury will win the fight. He can accept big punches and can also deliver them, which makes him so dangerous.

Fury has known ahead of time that Usyk would be his next opponent and that the fight would be in December. He should have prepared accordingly. Due to his lack of discipline he showed up out of shape and took unnecessary damage from Ngannou that will leave him unable to train normally for a few weeks. It will be a shame if the fight with Usyk is delayed but I also want to see both guys at their very best so the loser will have no excuses and there will be no doubt as to who is the best heavyweight in the world.

Maybe Fury is worth $200 million now which is a lot but he might continue being greedy as his excuse to dodge Usyk. Fury just turned into a villain from being a hero real quick. Well, he deserved it, the fight with Usyk would've happened early this year.

According to Krassyuk, the contracts are already signed for December 23. So I guess somehow they can force Fury to fight next month or early next year. But there are already a lot of rumors from Fury's camp. A family member might take control of the team after the poor performance against Ngannou. There's also the possibility of retiring although he might once again return later after months or years of inactivity.

You are talking about his brother right? yeah, I also read that news that he will be taking over Fury's training as there are things that they needed to set things correct in this camp so that Tyson Fury will be ready.

And as much as Tyson said that they didn't underestimate Francis, it seems that way to be at least that's why the bad performance.

The fight is going to happen definitely, but I doubt that it will be this December 23 as Fury needs to heal before he can start his training for a Usyk fight. And I think Usyk will agree to that, as long as there are financial incentives for him and it will be taken out of the purse of Fury I guess.

Yeah, it's his brother. I forgot the name but are they going to kick out Sugar Hill Steward? Prior to the Ngannou fight, John Fury wanted Sugar Hill out as a coach. I don't understand since Sugar Hill did a great job on Fury so far except for this fight with Ngannou whom I believe Fury is slacking and underestimating. It might be something personal knowing how crazy and self-centered John is. Now I am starting to like seeing John Fury given a fight in order to fill his insecurities, we'll see how this 8 wins, 4 losses with only 1 KO does in the ring. :D

Anyways, a new date for Usyk-Fury is expected in February. I am still doubtful unless it is official. I expect Fury to only fight March onwards unless Usyk threatens to file a case due to the failed December 23 date where he already made a camp in Spain. And for the second time, Usyk needs to stop his training camp since he cannot overtrain.

We're all waiting for the official announcement if the fight pushes through this December Usyk is on a huge advantage if January or February Fury can fully recuperate and give him enough time to heal his wounds and eventually build his confidence heading to the fight.

I'm sure there will be a lot of bargaining and negotiations that are going to happen back door, and we will see who got the better of the negotiation, but for me, I want both fighters healthy with good motivation so we can ensure a great fight, the fight will not be fair if one fighter has a mental advantage because of past events that occurred.

I don't think Usyk has a significant advantage over Fury. Fury has been in many battles, and he's a boxer who can take heavy punches and keep fighting. What Fury is dealing with is not an injury, so it should heal relatively quickly.

I'm more concerned about the training time. I don't think it's likely to happen in December, as they would have to shorten their training, which isn't good for fans who are expecting an entertaining fight.


The main problem that often arises is the money, specifically the split. But if you ask me, I believe this fight could have a 50/50 split for both fighters, or maybe a 60/40 split in favor of Fury because he's the more well-known boxer and could draw more pay-per-view subscribers.

While you and the others are arguing how they split the money, the promoters of this fight already knows that no matter who's going to favor in the split, they're still going to pocket the largest amount of money. People have no idea how corrupt the boxing federations are, the current system is designed to make money for the federations and promoters, look at what happened in the Tyson Fury vs Francis Ngannou fight, we know who's the clear winner during the fight but given how corrupt the system is, the undeserving got the belt. But hey, I'm not an expert in this kind of sport and I'm just a keen observer of what's going on so, I might be wrong and that Fury does deserve that win.

Just imagine the scenario if the judges awarded the decision to Ngannou or even called it a draw, this is chaos and would cause Fury and the boxing organizations he represented in big shame, so they have to take politics and corruption play here, Ngannou is the winner in the eyes of the boxing community, a lot of opportunities opened up for Ngannou, there is a buzz about Zhang Zilei fight and there's also a buzz fighting Anthony Joshua, suddenly every eyes are on Ngannou.

There's also a big turn of events because of what happened everybody was caught by surprise, Fury could become the underdog or the fight could be even if you look at Fury and Usyk confrontation, Usyk loses his respect for Fury and he wants the December fight to push through so he'll have the upper hand.

Whatever news comes in the coming days about Fury and Usyk it will be very interesting, we can analyze the merit of the fight.

The belt was never on the line when they fought. Everyone could agree about the corruption in boxing though. This has been happening since the time to which they already created 4 international organizations from IBF, WBC, WBA, and WBO. These 4 serves as the mafia in boxing and they have to agree on the fighter's cuts and even the PPV shares.

I don't really know what the story is but obviously, it is Ngannou. I think they really underestimated Ngannou and the big boys are rooting for Fury so despite the obvious, the judges are too scared to make Ngannou win.

I can see what you're trying to make us visualize but what you've said about causing an outrage basically proved my point that the existing boxing federations are corrupt and will do anything to save face and at the same time try to meddle with the fair decisions by using politics and bribery which isn't far fetch. If the decision really favored Ngannou, I don't think that that's going to be what's happening, there's the possibility that it might give boxing a positive light that they're going to need because there's not a lot of people that's preferring boxing over MMA. I guess with all the stuff that's happened, moving on and just being mad on the corner about the decision is the only thing that we can do at this moment.

Tyson fury we will see him again. Inside the ring and this time his opponent is Usyk  which is pretty sure  that this is a great fight it's worthy of our time when we see this for sure as we all know that Tyson fury is the favorite here but still Usyk has a potential so he can give a good fight against Fury and one thing for use if Usyk had an injury then he won't be fight this year and it will move in to January to march in the next fight.

When you believe that they are greedy, they still would not be happy if they will not get the biggest share of the pie, despite the amount involved being already a substantial sum of money. That's how greedy promoters think; they want to maximize their profit on a big fight like this. But let's leave that to them; it's their job. As long as the fight will push through, we should be happy with that.

About the fight between Fury vs. Francis, it's a controversial fight, but let's also give respect to Fury as he didn't cheat. I think he fought well, making the judges favor him in a close fight. I understand the frustration of Francis' fans, but in the world of boxing, the result lies with the judges, not our personal perception.

Boxing is business, and so with the huge money involved, almost all the A-side of boxing wanted to get the biggest share of the pie. So obviously, in here, Fury is the A-side, so he could be really getting a lot of money. And with his schedule fight with Usyk, for sure another big paycheck is going to wait for him. Although the reports says that the fight might push to next year as he need to rest because he was really hurt on the Ngannou fight.

I'm not saying that Fury cheated, but there are speculations that his gloves could be tampered.


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/boxing/article-12552113/Francis-Ngannou-insists-Tyson-Furys-boxing-gloves-no-protection-demands-checked-heavyweight-showdown-Deontay-Wilder-previously-complained-secret-weapon.html

Before Fury's fight with Francis, he was already considered the favorite to win against Usyk. I think that hasn't changed much, but some fans might have their doubts because Fury had a tough battle against Francis, who isn't a champion, and now he's up against a proven champion like Usyk.

This fight is becoming even more unpredictable, thanks to Francis joining the equation as one of the factors to consider when analyzing the potential winner of this unification bout. It's certainly on the minds of bettors.

I am reading that the fight will now take place on Feb 17th 2024 after Fury's poor performance.

Usyk commented that he thinks Tyson Fury’s performance against Ngannou was planned.

https://boxing-social.com/news/usyk-on-fury-ngannou-performance/

I'm not sure if that is a plan though, if it is then it's very bad planning on the side of the Fury's. They got beat up and humiliated by a non boxer in Francis Ngannou, did go to the canvass, give him a black eye and he almost lost the fight if not for the judges saving his ass.

So I don't think that it's a plan, but most likely Usyk is now playing mind games with Fury and blaming him for the fight being postponed this December. So Francis needs more time to rest first obviously, then get his body and mind ready for Usyk. So it's going to take a lot from him mentally to get ready with Usyk. And if Fury hasn't recovered from that humiliation then Usyk will unify the belts.

This will favor Fury because it will totally heal all the bruises and wounded pride of Fury, I also want a long recovery so we can expect a very healthy and motivated Fury after the bruises and wounds are healed, Fury can watch his match against Ngannou, and have perspective on what happened and see what's wrong and improve his performance.

Did Fury have to resort to that, is he that afraid of Usyk that he will use Ngannou for his strategy to beat Usyk, we have seen that Fury is not faking it, he was even shocked when Ngannou knocked him down, and we all saw how worried he was, he almost loses the fight, and if he loses the fight there's a possibility that their fight will not push through at all, so it's just a speculation, he just need to prepare for their February fight and stop making alibis.

Tyson Fury vs Oleksandr Usyk fight is finally confirmed for February 17, 2024 in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia!
I think this is enough time for both guys to heal and prepare well for this fight.
You can now watch full Press Conference: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cOxmNEFwK-8

Odds are not bad at all on both fighters now in Sportsbet for early betting:

https://images2.imgbox.com/f7/f0/qrAAPvsV_o.jpg
https://sportsbet.io/sports/event/boxing/international/international-matchups/fury-tyson-v-usyk-oleksandr-6554faff0a6c950001760aff

^^ Yeah, ML looks good for Tyson Fury this early.

And if you are a supporter of him, might be good to just bet on the ML but you need to put a lot of money in him.

However, there could be skeptics on him based on his last performance against Ngannou. But still though, Fury has the physical advantage and I think he has more power than Usyk. But we have been waiting for this fight to happen, it might be close one,  very unpredictable, but who's going with Fury?

I dont like betting so early when there is few months before the fight, but I think odds will start to go down on Fury as the fight approaches.
Maybe odds on him are higher than I expected after his average performance against Ngannou, but I think his size difference will be main advantage in fight against Usyk.
This is first unified title fight after many years and I Usyk also preparing special tactic for Fury.

The odds don't look bad at all. Francis Ngannou seems to have tarnished the image of Tyson Fury quite a bit so the odds have been heavily affected. It is not my place to belittle Tyson Fury, but if Ngannou is knocking him down as a cage fighter and there are rumors that he lost, which in my opinion, I can say that Ngannou won this match or at worst it should have ended in a draw. It will be very difficult for Tyson Fury against Oleksandr Usyk because his mobility is not even found in many light heavyweight boxers, he is very fast for his weight and with this speed he can control Tyson Fury.

Usyk has taken plenty of damage from fighters smaller than Fury. That's why I think he will struggle. If he can't avoid punishment from Anthony Joshua who is smaller and less skilled than Fury, then I don't think his speed and mobility will be enough to triumph. Fury is going to force him to engage and will test his resistance. This attrition will wear down Usyk and render him ineffective, in my opinion.

This odds is better before Fury fought Francis Ngannou I believe. A 1.53 odds seems quite attractive, considering Fury is still the best in the heavyweight division (IMO), despite Usyk's recent achievements. In my opinion, as long as Fury avoids a knockout, he's likely to win on points. He's taller and skilled at landing effective jabs.


I guess we'll find out. We have different speculations, but only the outcome will determine who is correct here.

Right, doesn't look bad at all, obviously, the odds might have swing a bit to Usyk because of Fury's performance against Ngannou. Maybe we can call that Tyson might have been exposed on that fight. However, we can't compare Usyk's style to Ngannou. And also the Ngannou is almost as tall as Fury and he has the power, so that negates Fury's physical advantage.

But against Usyk, obviously his imposing physically is going to be notice, height and weight and length advantage will be on Fury again. And we all know that he looks very good if he has the advantage against his opponent. It might be that the fight is unpredictable, as there is also this mind games that both of them are playing. But if we just look at the two, the advantage is on Fury that's why he is the favorite, not that big gap at 1.5, but still it will boost his confidence to see that he is the favorite in this fight.

Former Heavyweight Champion, Deontay Wilder recently shared his thoughts on this fight -

https://www.dazn.com/en-GB/news/boxing/tyson-fury-vs-oleksandr-usyk-deontay-wilder-makes-fight-prediction/a85k15wb80rp1odd2jhlbkkp7

“It's a 50-50 fight, anything can happen. People look at Fury's size as a major advantage but that doesn't necessarily mean nothing because Usyk can stay low to the ground and because Fury's so tall it's going to be difficult to reach down”

“If Usyk can get in and out real fast, I feel speed could be a major factor. For me it's 50-50 and I'm glad it's finally happening so we get all the belts in one place”

I think we can understand where Wilder is coming from, I mean he wanted to fight Usyk before Tyson Fury can get his hands on Oleksandr, and so we can say that he is rooting for him. Also, we all know that Fury took out his soul already, so he is rooting for someone to beat Tyson as well.

Fury could really maximized his size his and take it as his major advantage just like what he did against Wilder. Putting all the weight behind him when they are in a clinch and let Usyk feel that and it could take a toll on him later in the fight.

Of course, it's 50-50 fight, anything can happen, but the odds maker think otherwise, current odds, ML Fury at 1.61, Usyk 2.22. And it's obvious that Fury will take that into consideration when training, he will look for sparring partner that is similar height with Usyk so he can gauge the distance.


I think the speed factor goes to Usyk, but Fury as well has some good movement, so it's not like a stationary target for Usyk here. He will really needs to really fast to caught Tyson flush. Yes, definitely we will see a undisputed champion in the HW division, it's hard to do it in this division and so if ever Wilder will get his chance to fight the winner, then it will be for all the belts, so it really favors him.

Coming from Wilder (lose twice to Fury), I don't take the statement seriously as it could have some biasness, you know he had fought Fury and he was chooled many times. I'd stick with the bookmakers evaluation here, and that is based on the betting odds as it's fairer.



They are heavyweights, so the speed difference might just be a slim factor to consider, however, if we look at the height difference, I think it's a major advantage on whoever is taller and considering it was Fury who had that edge, I'm sure Fury will be able to use it wisely and win the fight.

Fury wouldn't be complacent this fight as he came from a fight he probably didn't expect would be end in a close contest.

^^ Perhaps it was due to Usyk as a natural cruiserweight in my opinion that why he thought that he has that speed against those heavyweights. He shown it twice already against Anthony Joshua as he was able to slip that left hand of his many times because he is quick.

However, if he has the speed then Fury has the height and reach advantage and he knows how to use it. So maybe Usyk can throw some and hit Fury but what if Tyson timing everything and put a good counter and caught Usyk several times in this fight. It could be a factor later in the rounds, championship rounds that can make the difference in this fight if it goes 12 rounds.

Wilder is saying it's a 50:50 fight and yet seems to provide reasons why Usyk could be at an advantage here. He couldn't seem to just set it straight, that the man who humiliated him not once, not twice, but thrice would probably defeat Usyk and that's a huge blow to his wish to become an undisputed champion himself.

How could Usyk staying low to the ground be an advantage for him? If Tyson was able to put his weight on a 6'7" opponent, would it be a lot easier for him to do that to a 6'3" fighter?

But Ngannou can be considered an amateur in boxing it was his first boxing match when he fought Fury and yet he put down and almost beat Fury what more for a guy who is a two-time World champion, we all thought it was a walk-in park for Fury when he fought Ngannou but Ngannou prove us wrong, I say its 50/50 for me based on both fighters last fight.

Usyk performed better than Fury in their last fight and if the fight is not moved, Fury is in big trouble, right now Fury is in the healing process of trying to get back his confidence because it is no joke being knocked down and almost beaten by a guy who just took up boxing recently.

Ngannou has a heavy hand, so it's not really unimaginable for him to send Fury down. Did he win, though? Nope. Wilder sent Fury down as well. Did he win? Nope. Sometimes strong punch isn't enough.

And Usyk doesn't even have that gift. So we can discount it as a real threat. And it's a fallacy to argue that since Ngannou, an MMA fighter who crossed into boxing, knocked Fury down, a 2-time boxing champion can more easily do that. That's wrong. Usyk was a knockout artist only when he started boxing. That's a long time ago. Yes, he knocked out Dubois, but prior to that, when was the last time he won via knockout? 5 years ago?

I guess Fury didn't really take Ngannou too seriously. He was an MMA fighter and the history of those who crossed borders was more funny than entertaining. But he won that fight nevertheless. So he's not really facing Usyk with a lot of psychological or emotional baggage. If at all, he'd be more prepared now that his previous fight showed him danger because of being too lax.

I suspect that as well, now people thought after that performance of Fury that Usyk would easily beat him as he struggle to Ngannou. I tell you all, things will be different this time around, it's a unification fight, lots are at stake here and Fury winning this making him the greatest Heavyweight champion this current time, so I think we will see Fury perform better and Usyk will struggle finding his range against a taller and smarter Fury.

@Maslate. However, what many fans might have not known is Tyson Fury did not train very hard for Ngannou which implies that Fury might have underestimated him. We can be quite certain that Fury will not be underestimating Usyk. There is also a championship at risk. This will be a different fight, a more important fight for Tyson Fury and his legacy.

Tyson Fury odds on 1.61 is very good, I reckon.

That's actually a good odds, X that close fight with Francis and fans would easily take that.

I like that some have doubts on Fury as the odds have improve for him, I doubt, if Fury were able to KO Francis, he'll be like 1.30 ML against Usyk even if it's a unification fight.

Yes, and that's what boxing fans speculate, he really underestimate Francis Ngannou that time, and just trying to justify that he almost lost to the guy and say that Francis is a hard fight for him as compare to Usyk. But we all know that is not the case, Usyk has movement and a champion, so how can Fury says that he will be an easy opponent for him? He is just trying to downplay Usyk and then stroke his ego that he can beat him. And I do agree that backers of Fury will have a field day with that kind of odds although the fight is still very far and there could be swings in the odds.

Looks like the promotional video was for real, Fury was just trying to gain weight through eating while Ngannou was training hard to surprise the world. Well, he indeed surprise the world as we weren't expecting he'll win, but it's "Almost", that put Ngannou being a champ like while Fury downgraded to being a rookie like.

Most likely it was the case here, and to think that Fury is talking about his future fight with Usyk in Saudi, it make us think that he is overlooking Francis Ngannou. And while they make and try to promote it very hard, even his dad has somethings to say about Mike Tyson supposedly.

But at the end of the day, he did get the W, barely and the judges favor here because it's either they don't want to derail the fight with him and Usyk (supposedly December but was push to February because Fury need more rest to heal from the damage he has taken from the Ngannou fight.)

Sometimes strong punch is not need to knock out a person. I would say that strong is not needed at all know out a guy. People gets knocked out not because the punch was strong, but because it was unexpected. Wilder is a good example. He isnt strong, he isnt a real heavyweight (guy is just 95-97kg, even Usyk is heavier), but knocks people down easily. Usyk dont necessarily needs strength to knockout, but the probability that he could do that is high because of his tactics (landing lots of punches aka punch spam machine). And is one of reasons why we havent seen him knocking people lately. Due to his tactics. From basics he was trained differently, he was trained for Olympic boxing, and there, will all that head guard, we rarely see knockouts but mostly see victories by points.

Yes, Usyk is just a blown-up cruiserweight. If not for his superb skills and high IQ he could not hang with these heavyweights since he is giving up 10 to 40 pounds of weight.

If Tyson Fury enters the ring with the same weight as his Ngannou fight, he will be around 60 pounds heavier than Usyk. But I guess Fury will be dropping down weight to make him a little lighter since he is facing a speedy technical fighter. I expect Fury to be around 260 and I won't be surprised if he drops as low as 255.

I think Fury will be the aggressor and he won't wait to counter Usyk. Usyk will be too fast so Fury needs to put some pressure. Both fighters can counter each other, Fury with his timing while Usyk with his speed.

The referee will play a very important role here. If the referee allows constant clinches and dirty inside fighting then Usyk will have serious problems dealing with the huge weight disadvantage.

Obviously, he will gonna strive more here than he did against Ngannou because this is how he will become one of the Legendary boxers in the Heavyweight Division and since the fight will happen in one of the rich countries in the Middle East, consider it a historical once again and they will gonna make huge promotions with this fight like how they did last time. Fury is lucky because this is his era and he receives lots of great offers this time and will continue to have such offers if he continues to win every fight before his retirement. But he really needs to excel in his effort here and make it a win that no one will question.

Ngannou is not just a guy from the street, he has a lot of experience in the UFC and although I agree that this is a completely different type of martial arts, he already had a very strong base. In my opinion, Ngannou beat Fury, but for the judges to give him the victory, he must knock out Fury.

Usyk is faster than Fury, I have no doubt about that, but Usyk doesn't have so strong punch, so if Fury can land a few good punches, Usyk will have problems.

It would probably be more interesting for me to watch the revenge of Fury and Nganu than the fight between Fury and Usyk, but if Usyk manages to defeat Fury, then this revenge may never happen.

I'm afraid you got too many wrongs in this single post.  

1. A strong punch "is not needed at all" to knock out a guy? So, what's needed, a tickle? LOL!

2. Boxing isn't a slap contest. Knockout punches always come unexpected. Otherwise, the boxer would have dodged it, braced himself, or put up a solid cover.

3. You talked of strong punches and, of all heavyweights, you used Deontay Wilder as an example of one who doesn't have that? Come on! Winning 42 of his 43 wins by way of knockout and Wilder doesn't have a strong punch? So, what has he got, magical powers?

4. Weight is the basis of a boxer's power? Wilder is knocking his opponents out not because of his weight but because of his punching power.

5. Wilder not a real heavyweight? Come on! In his entire professional boxing career, he's only fighting in that weight class. Even when he was an amateur boxer, he was already fighting in that division.

6. And so on. LOL!

A completely trained Fury with not much fat on his body will be as fast as Usyk, he will control Usyk in the corner of the ring and he will put him on a stretcher. Tyson Fury might have only done 1 week of training for Ngannou. Much of his time might have been wasted on watching movies, eating junk food and drinking beer hehehe.

This fight against Usyk will be for the unified championship and everyone speculates that Tyson Fury will be fat again? I shake my head. Clearly the minds of many fans have certainly been tricked by Fury's fight vs. Ngannou.

Deontay Wilder also predicted that Ngannou would knock Fury out. While in hindsight that might not have been a completely outrageous prediction, it just shows that he is biased when it comes to Fury. He cannot accept that Fury is a better fighter and holds a lot of resentment towards him.

It is not a 50/50 fight but Fury's most recent performance has created enough doubts to move the odds closer. Before fighting Ngannou I was certain that Fury would steamroll past Usyk. I still think he wins by a comfortable margin, if he trains properly, but it might not be the one-sided beatdown I originally anticipated.

Correct, and just have that movement and high IQ that's why he was able to beat these heavyweights. He make them fight his own fight and style.

Although their is supposedly what they call a Bridgerweight, a weight class between between 200 pounds (91 kg; 14 st 4 lb) and 224 pounds (102 kg; 16 st 0 lb), the division. However it didn't get any traction and we even don't know if they have a champion.


For sure he will have to lose some pounds against Usyk here, he can't be overweight and then have problems with Usyk movement. Maybe just enough to be bigger than Usyk and make sure he will lean and wrap Usyk with his full weight on him. A tactic he uses against Wilder and it's very effective.

Why these assumptions about what Fury could be like if he weren't fat, if we know that he won't change. This is clearly a person without complexes and he will not spend much time losing weight. And I really doubt that Fury only trained for one week before the fight with Ngannou, he spent enough time in the ring, but he was clearly weaker than his opponent. What I'm saying is that Usyk doesn't have a strong punch to knock out Fury with, so if Fury can't land a good punch, then the winner will be determined by decision.

@Inwestour. Tyson Fury would have certainly knocked out Francis Ngannou if he trained properly. A world heavyweight boxing champion almost lost vs. a mixed martial artist in boxing? 1 week training might be an exaggeration, however after his performance, yes I am quite certain Tyson Fury did not have much training.

We can assumed that perhaps Fury could knockout Francis Ngannou if he trained hard. But I guess majority feels that he didn't take his training seriously and now he has to pay for it. I mean it didn't derail his fight against Usyk, but obviously he has take damage in his eye and needed more time to heal.

And this could be a wake up call for him, and Usyk could see this as somewhat a weakness on the side of Fury. Although still size does matter in boxing and Tyson has the advantage but there could be factors that could favor Usyk like being a south paw and the quicker fighter between the two.

Ok then, lets correct all my wrongs.

1. Nope, not a tickle. A punch that you dont expect or dont knocks you out. That is why smaller and lighter boxers or people knockout huge guys. Also is it not enough to just punch in the head. Punch to forehead dont knockout people, but a punch to jaw would.

2. Punches through block hurt a lot also, can knockout if you were knocked down before.

3. Among 42 opponents that were knocked out, how many were really good boxer and not punching bags? Lets take a look on https://boxrec.com/en/proboxer/468841. 1/3 or 1/4 among those 42 had either negative record, or few prof boxing fights. Why I think punching power isnt that important, but unexcited and unseen punch knocks people out - have you heard about Edwin Valero? 27 wins, 27 knockouts. Perfect knockout rate. All of them were done in featherweight division. That is 57-59kg. Do you think that straw like guy have real power to switch lights out? I think he did it mainly because of skill and tactics. These flies and straws did not hit 999 on punching bag machines as heavyweights do, but can knockout those heavyweights. Can this be possible then?

4. Sorry did not get that...  ???

5. Yeap, Wilder inst a real heavyweight. He is a fattened cruiserweight ;D Usyk was a cruiserweight and gained to fit in heavyweights, and he is heavier than Wilder. Take away gym from Wilder, and he would be a 90+/- guy. He isnt a natural heavyweight like most of his opponents. Why he isnt a heavyweight ? He has started his career as an Olympic boxer. Olympic heavyweight boxer is different from professional heavyweight boxer. Olympic heavyweight boxing division is 81-91kg. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boxing_at_the_2008_Summer_Olympics) That is what real Wilder is. He inst natural giant like 110+kg top of professional heavyweight boxer.

This isn't a fight that will be dominated by one fighter based on opinions here, so this makes it very interesting to watch as there are plenty of believers that Usyk will win despite bookies made Fury as the favorite.

Both have their strenght and weakness but we will find out who is the best fighter after the fight only, so just continue the speculation as the more this fight gets hype, the more it will gain the attention of the people resulting to better viewership and of course decent money that both deserves to earn. But as for me, I'm not gonna change my choice as it will remain on Fury.

The odds may not be as discouraging to bet for Usyk. Fury may be the crowd's fave but I think the spread is gonna be close.

IMO Ngannou would have won the fight given more rounds in the fight. He lasted 10, I think he can do 12 and probably KO Fury again. If they are to fight again, Ngannou will be more motivated but less chance of them getting inside the ring. More money is needed for it to happen.

Refer to my #2 response above. In every single boxing fight in all of the sport's history, a boxer is always hit by a surprising punch. Do all boxing matches, then, end up in a knockout? No. It's primarily because not all boxers are gifted with punching power. Consider those boxers who have so much hand speed like Rigondeaux or Lomachenko; are they knocking out all their opponents like, say, Wilder does? No.

And what do you mean a punch in the head doesn't knock out a boxer? Review all the knockout fights that you've watched and come back here.


And only if hit in the jaw? LOL!


I don't know how much of boxing you know, but if you say that "punching power isn't that important," you must know a little.

Yes, I've watched Edwin Valero's fights. And you're wrong when you said that Valero isn't gifted with a strong punching power. You're terribly wrong. And what's the point that he's just 57-59 kilograms? Was the late Edwin fighting against 90-kilogram fighters? Valero's power was strong enough against boxers in his weight class. If he was fighting against Fury or Joshua, common sense would tell you that his punching power, no matter how strong it is, wouldn't knock them out.

Tell me you're joking when you said that the likes of Valero can knockout heavyweight opponents. You're not making any sense. "Skill and tactics" my ass.   


Read it again.


Take any boxer away from the gym and they stop being a boxer. LOL!

There's your answer; Wilder was already heavyweight even during his amateur years. The heavyweight division isn't about fighters who are 110+ kg. 91 kg. is already heavyweight.

Yes, odds of Usyk are more appealing as he is the underdog and we know that we love to see a live underdog pull one from Fury and become the undisputed HW champion. So that is a low risk big reward for us to go and bet on Usyk.


I think we already have gone a lot on the Francis Ngannou debate. Majority thinks that Fury underestimate him and most probably he would have lost if Fury doesn't have that mentality to survived or use his boxing IQ ot barely win every close round.

But against Usyk, a slight miscalculation on his end might end up bad for Fury, IMHO.

Sorry, I was kind lazy to properly quote your post, so I went like this :D

Ok, you know about boxing much more than me, then please explain and comment on following:

1) "And what do you mean a punch in the head doesn't knock out a boxer". How come then boxers are not knocked out when from every single punch to the head?

Also you say that a strong punch is needed to knock out a person. Home come huge guys are knocked out by a suckerpunch from a 60kg guy? How come and old, in years, boxer whos weights like a feather knocks out big guys? Or spar with a guys who are bigger than him? Maybe because he knows where to hit? How come this small guy knocks this big guy (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JFR030IfE2o)? https://www.youtube.com/shorts/IFzfV0GpCjo home come this tall and slim guy his so hard? Probably will never be able to knockout a 110kg guy.

2) I have said nothing about jaw, but mentioned jaw previously. I would say that most of punches to jaw knock and daze people. Hard to land a punch to jaw through glove. But I meant that if you were knocked down, and you are dazed a bit, then even if your opponent punches your head through block, you can get knocked out.

3) About Edwin Valero. The point was, that there are divisions in boxing. You are right that his power was enough for his division, but his power wasnt enough for much heavier division. But, even a light guy like him can big buys. Or you think he wont? Or you think had such a great power in hands, that he hits like a heavyweight?

You have mentioned Lomachenko and Joshua. Based on what you post, Loma isnt able to knock Joshua, because Joshua is bigger, and Loma has less punching power. I think different. If lightweights or "lack of punching power" were so harmless, why dont heavyweights put hands down during sparring?

4) About Wilder and being a heavyweight. If your weight is 91kg, you are an Olympic boxing heavyweight, but in professional boxing you are a cruiserweight. But you say that Olympic and professional heavyweight are same weight categories.

a big match at the beginning of the year for heavyweights, unifying the title belts of true champions.
if ursyk is not agile and nimble, he will lose, because his weight and body size are far behind, because ursyk is not a true heavyweight boxer, at first ursyk fought in the cruiserweight.

Not sure what you really mean though, we all know that Usyk is a heavyweight already, there could be arguments that he might not be a true heavyweight, but still he was able to bet a natural bigger guy in Anthony Joshua with his superior technical skills and his movement.

For this fight, it's obvious that there is a huge disparity in height and in weight. And so it can either by a plus or minus for Usyk. He could uses again his movement as he is lighter and his hand speed to hit Fury at an angle. While Fury will be looking to imposed that physical advantage of him. So still very interesting fight as this is for the unified belt and Fury as the slight favorite.

This will be the umpteenth fight for great boxer who succeeded in becoming heavyweight king Tyson Fury and this fight will also be one of the historical fights for boxing because it will fight for the undisputed title in the heavyweight.
Fury, who is the favorite in this fight, seems very confident that he will win again and can make his opponent Oleksandr Usyk helpless, but from the start of this fight being scheduled it was clear that Usyk was training very hard.
But it is only natural that Usyk trains very hard because what he is facing is Fury, boxer who is very difficult to beat and who holds the WBC heavyweight title.
Meanwhile, Usyk himself is boxer who won the WBA, IBF, WBO and The Ring titles and this fight is really the one that boxing fans are most interested in or waiting for, especially in the heavyweight.

No one knows for sure who will win the fight and be able to hold the undisputed title in the heavyweight class, but what is clear is that both fighters will give as much strength as possible to knock each other out.

Ngannou wasn't able to fully knock him out and it's a little bold to say that he didn't won. Yes, he won, he performed way better than Tyson Fury and actually won it but referees were very biased and said that Tyson Fury won.

He said sometimes and probably meant that it's not a huge deal that Ngannou is the strongest puncher. By the way, not only strong punch but speed, reaction time and agility matters a lot too. You might have the strongest punch but if you are not quick, your strongest punch will give you zero advantage. I don't like when someone says this or that matters in sport, no, absolutely everything matters in any sport.

Ref does not score the fight, it's the judges.

I understand your sentiment, probably you are one of the many who were disappointed with the result, but that's boxing, it is what it is. They say boxing is corrupt, yes, maybe,... but we are still here patronizing it, which means we still love the current status of boxing.

Take that knock down from Ngannou and you'll see who's the clear winner.. but then, it's just my opinion though, so let's just based on the final judgement which came from the judges, and Fury was the winner.

Actually he is one of those fans, who thinks that if a boxer gets knocked down, then he has lost. When actually it is just 10-8 on score cards. Double knock down and total humiliation is just 10-7. You can win 11 rounds of a close fight (the fact that you are a champ gives you a tiny-tiny advantage in corrupted boxing judgement). Then by the end of 12th round gets knocked down, the belt saves you from/during second knockdown, on the ropes. And you are still a champion ;D

Obviously that knock down was probably the basis of the fans to score in favor of Ngannou. However, if they will score each round, it's easy to stop who is the better fighter, probably Ngannou did well at the beginning but he lose his aggressiveness in the later rounds and Fury was dictating the fight with his effective jobs. Maybe times Fury get knock down and still end up winning the fight, so it shouldn't be new.

Yes, Fury isn't as perfect as some casuals thought. Fury had been down several times in his career and even a light-punching blown-up cruiserweight managed to drop him too. Fury even punched his own face in one of his fights before, luckily he didn't go down. :D

The fight was close and in the end, Fury won and that's it. Ngannou has to win more convincingly if he wants to beat a champion. But in case of a rematch, Fury won't train at McDonalds anymore and he will brutally stop Ngannou.

And to those that do not know, Ngannou was given a slot in the December 23 Saudi card against WBO interim champion Zhilei Zhang but he refused it. Maybe Ngannou does not have the confidence to repeat his shocking performance against a top heavyweight. Or he just wants to rest for a while and wait for the biggest money possible which means Fury or AJ or Wilder.

Wasnt Ngannou talking before, that he only wants to face 3 boxers Fury, AJ and Wilder. Actually, I would gladly watch Ngannou fight Zhilei Zhang. That would give Ngannou some rating points. And he needs them. It would be a reason for him to face those 3 he wanted to fight against. Because right now he looks like a guy from the crowd that challenges top boxers. Champions can not risk their belts for nothing, against nobody (in boxing). Ngannou could won WBO belt from Zhang, then face Usyk and take rest of the belts :D

Yeah, I think with Usyk's boxing skills, it's really hard to see either of them dominating the fight. If it goes to the judges scorecard, it could be 8-4 the worst, or then 6-6 for a draw but we will see. It's going to be interesting who's going to bring it more specially in the championship rounds.

Of course, as boxing fans, we will have speculations and scenarios that think that might happen in this fight. But definitely, it will be a back and forth fight, maybe this could be a difficult fight for Fury as he hasn't fought any fighter that has a good movement and very intelligent like him.

Sorry but I think Usyk was just hype. Fury hasn't been active recently so the attention was focus on Usyk, but if we look at the boxers that both have previously defeated, you can see that the quality goes to Fury. The odds says it all, Fury is a slight favorite, however, I think that's quite undervalued because of his performance against Francis. Don't be deceive guys, Fury is gonna win this fight via domination again, even if Usyk would be able to throw a lucky punch that will put Fury on the canvas, Fury's always gonna rise and win the fight.

One thing is for sure, it will be an epic fight, Usik quickly made it to heavyweight and his opponents were of a very serious level. In Usik’s last fight, many had questions about the blow to the groin and this was circulated in the media for a long time saying it was a defeat, I don’t agree with this opinion.I think Usyk will win on points.

What gives you a reason to say that actually I am one of those fans who think that knock down (not final KO) makes someone a winner? I watched the fight, I was on Fury's side but I got very disappointed. If you watched the fight, you could clearly see that Ngannou was dominating the fight, he was making more strikes, more punches, even almost knocked him out, he performed way better than Tyson Fury and I can't understand how did Fury won the match? I want to believe that but I can't. Ngannou was robbed!

Yep , that's true. The fight will be epic and the outcome might be epic as well but I do count on Usyk to end the legacy of Fury so the entire sport can move on to another champ and to a new chapter. However ,I do believe the same that the fight will end on points as I simply cannot see a KO from neither of them during the fights ...but a KO would simply shock the boxing world.

The hype between the two fighters is still quite big at the moment but Usyk is dominating the public conversation because of what he has achieved during his time in the heavyweight class and Fury as the WBC champion is also quite serious about this fight, it just that he doesn't seem too worried about his opponent Usyk who has has several degrees.
It just that the talk about this fight is more about developments in the preparations of both fighters, not about who will win and get the undisputed heavyweight title.

Rumors are circulating that former WBO, IBF and WBA heavyweight champion Anthony Joshua has expressed his support for Usyk.
He stated and knows that Fury is strong fighter and always wins, but for this fight there will be surprise given by Usyk, he also has not confirmed that Usyk will win but at least Usyk is great fighter as Fury opponent.

Not necessarily that will happen because have you forgotten the previous fight between Ngannou and Fury that it was clear that Ngannou succeeded in knocking Fury down and was also guaranteed to win by the referee decision on points.
But in reality Fury was the winner, wouldn't it be joke to say Usyk would win on points.

I agree that Usyk was just hype and Fury will dominate him on the ring next weekend. The good thing about Fury is that he always rise up after being down on the canvas so if that Hail Mary shot hit Fury, it would not damage him but i think Fury as always will be clever here, he would use his height and weight advantage to tire Usyk out and maybe KOed him in the championship rounds.

Usyk isn't a heavy puncher, based on his record, he has 14 KO from 21 wins, so I'm sure Fury will be able to survive in case he'll get Knock down as he was tested by Wilder before which was a 100% KO artist. The chance of Usyk winning here is to use his quickenss over Fury, he is smaller so I pressume that he is quicker, and hope that the judges will favor him at the end of the fight.

I have to disagree though, he has the other 2 belts, he beat AJ 2x, so how can he be a hype when he is the champion? Hype is those boxers that can't back up the talk and so far he proved us wrong. I do agree that is he is a cruiserweight, but he was able to beat Joshua a supposedly natural bigger guy. But he uses his boxing skills and IQ to get away from the power shot then he himself beat AJ on his own game.

I'm not saying that Fury is going to lose this fight, but when two champions face each other, there are chance that one will dominate, like Crawford vs Spence, or the fight will really be close and it will be up to the judges score card, like Canelo vs GGG fight.

I think Usyk will dominate the fight though.  He's been a champ in 3 different orgs WBO, IBF and WBA while Fury is a champ only on WBC. Not sure why Usyk can be considered a hype, he had been knocking opponents almost as long as Fury been around. They should have been fighting years ago but their organizations are just not approving the fights, it must be due to the money arrangement.

Why now that Fury is getting old its sure it's their business but he is about to lose this fight.

The three belts that Usyk has used to belong to Fury. He never lost them inside the ring. Errol Spence also had three belts when he fought Crawford and we saw how that turned out. This doesn't mean that this fight will have the same outcome but it shows that the amount of belts doesn't matter.

Fighters just aren't very active anymore like they were in the past. Promoter and network affiliation can also make negotiations complicated. That's why these fights happen when fighters are old and starting to decline. We see it with Wilder and Joshua who went through brutal losses and are no longer champion but they might finally face each other next year.

We could all have our speculations about this fight, but I would say that the way Usyk to become a champion is much an easier path than Fury. Tyson has to get that belt the hard way.

@FinneysTrueVision - mate, you never really cease to amaze me with your boxing knowledge. Yeah, it's true, that 3 belt that Usyk has right now, used to belong to Fury, after he beat Klitschko. But we all know that after winning that belt in 2016 if I'm not mistaken. Fury suffers from mental health and obvious stripped of the belt. So he never losses that 3 belt inside the ring.

That is true. Usyk took those belts from AJ, who previously got all vacant belts from various opponents. So basically, since 2015, all the 5 belts technically are still Fury's. But I would debate that Usyk got those belt more easily. Usyk got them from AJ, Fury got them from Klitchko. Why more easy? Because Wladimir got more victories and more experienced? But he wasnt in peak form, he was about to retire. More easy because AJ had weaker opponent than Wladimir in his path to belts?

AJ took the IBF from a champion. He only took 1 vacant belt which was the WBA. He then unified his 2 belts against the WBO champion and won. Wladimir and Fury didn't became undisputed since the WBC was held by Vitali and then Wilder.

But I agree that Usyk had an easier way of becoming a champion at heavyweight since he took the 3 belts from AJ and was awarded the vacant Ring belt in the rematch. Fury though he won against an old Wladimir but that old version is still better than prime AJ.

But all in all, I still give the tougher overall boxing career to Usyk. And he also achieved more. Won the Olympics gold. Won his first title in only his 10th fight. Became undisputed at cruiserweight. Two-division unified champion. And he won all his world titles in the enemy's backyard. He is a legend.

But Fury has the size advantage. Usyk is also the older guy and will need more energy and is more dependent of his reflexes.

Let us not debate on that as different boxer may have different strategy employed to win. Both Usyk and Fury are great boxers, that's why they are the champions, but if you would ask the people (majority), the answer is Fury is the better fighter as evidence by the betting odds that is on his favor.

We can debate here on whatever we believe, no right or wrong because it's our personal perspective, but we can always ask the professionals perspective, and this is their answer.

https://www.oddsshark.com/boxing/fury-vs-usyk-odds-picks

I think it's not that he is better, but also the kind of opposition he faces before and of course his physical, he is the bigger fighter here. And with that odds it might be juicy for Usyk bettor here. We all know that there are boxing enthusiast that loves underdog so this could be a perfect time again to bet as Usyk is a live dog.

Also looking at how the Fury's are going to promote this fight, Tyson and his pops love to open their mouth but Usyk  looks alone is already intimidating already. And also Usyk manager is not going to back down on any trash talking from Fury's camp so it's going to be a great promotion.

Btw, promotion of this fight might be a failure. If Fury is a media guy, he can increase sales, then Usyk is very modest. I expect him to be very silent during pre fight conference (at least Fury wont get into Usyk head :D), also it is not likely they would make funny promotional video as Fury vs Ngannou (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f-V0LwEptZ8). Their promo would be a standard.

They are too different to say which one is stronger. Fury's last fight with Ngannou showed that Fury is not that good, we saw few dangerous punches that could cause problems for Ngannou, and he moved heavily. Maybe this will make him train harder before the fight with Usyk and he will be in better condition.

Usyk moves well, but he doesn't have as much punch as the Gypsy King, so he'll need to do a lot of dodging from Fury's sweeping arms. I will root for Usyk, but it’s hard for me to say who can win this fight, the chances look equal, and everything will depend on who does his job better.

It's not about the promo man IMO. This is a unification fight, from the moment it was announce official and tickets are available for safe, people are already buying as this is probably the best fight this year. It will be next month but I'm sure they'll already achieve their target ticket sales, or if there's a PPV too, I'm sure their reach a decent number of PPV subscription.

If people are buying a Fury vs Ngannou fight, they'll buy more on this real and a unification fight.

Unification fights is definitely going to bring in the cash in here but in my opinion Usyk is not that known amongst the people outside of the boxing sphere, Tyson is. If he's able to market this fight by himself we might see filled seats but besides the fact that this is an undisputed bout and Tyson's in here nothing really sparks the common boxing enthusiast's interest here. Ngannou vs Fury can't be compared to this. Ngannou is already famous beforehand and is racking millions since his jump to boxing. Tyson is a rising star at his prime during this period. The Tyson vs. Usyk fight in my opinion doesn't hold a candle against the former battle even though the fight's pretty much one-sided and suspicious as well.

I didn't say that they won't give us a good fight. Just that I don't see this fight breaking the internet just as much as the former boxing match did. If anything this is going to be in the same level in hype as Pacquiao vs. Cotto or whatever.