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Have you consider that you lose all your coins because the wallet phrase to your coins and PC burn in a war.
So what will you do if you survive after the war to start back your financial struggling and your crypto investment journey. Or can you get the coins back?

There's nothing you can do. If you have neither the wallet file nor the seed phrase, there is no way to recover the wallet.

It's always recommended to keep multiple copies of your seed phrase in different locations.
For more security, you can consider graving your seed phrase on a stainless steel plate instead of a writing it down on a paper.

I didn't even think about getting there. So if that happens then I'm not ready for all that. But it seems like we really have to be prepared for all the possibilities that could happen.
Because with war conflict, the worst things we never imagined could happen. Not only matters related to finances but also matters related to safety. And if we survive and we lose our wealth assets then it's not the end of the world for us. Because we can fight again from the start. But mentally, of course we definitely need to recover for some time.
And losing your wallet can even happen even if it's not because of war. For example, because of a house fire and so on. And when that happens, there's nothing we can do. unless we memorize our wallet seed phrase.

Situations like this and similar ones are the reason why it's not safe to backup our phrase and entire wallet access in just one place. Even the PC you back up alone is not that safe, even without it getting burned. There are cases where the PC can crash unexpectedly, and those funds will be stock in their forever if you don't discover a way of recovering them.
 
If you have a wallet that contains more, it's always advisable to share the wallet's access with a different location, even if it's on a different device that you know is secured. If one gets bad, you can also access the wallet through the other one, and you can also save your phrases on paper and move them to a secured location where no one can think of them and only you can have access to them. If not for hacking and all this security bridge kind of thing, moving some part of the phrase in an encrypted message through cloud storage could also be a good option.

You can use software that allows you to create a wallet with a seed phrase of 12 words.
It's not impossible to remember 12 words if they are very important. This way you can keep the wallet in your brain. Also known as a bitcoin brainwallet. No one can steal your thoughts.
In cryptography we trust (& verify).

It is advisable not to keep your seed phrase on computers because it can be hacked or accessed by criminals. The best option will be to write your seed phrase in indestructible stainless steel that is water, fire and rust proof and keep them in different locations.

During conflicts, the most important thing will be your life and that of your loved ones. If you are unhurt after a conflict, then you are lucky because many people lost their lives during these trying times. You are the one who worked hard to acquire these coins, you can still regain them since are alive and well. If you didn't keep your seed phrase in any other location apart from the ones that have been destroyed, you might not be able to recover your funds.     

Do you think there's no any tool or media that can resist against fire? there's a steel plate.

As long as you're not live in Israel or Palestine and it's territories, why you need to care? what you need at that time is find your seed phrase and move to other country ASAP, if your government forbid it, you have no way except join a war and think how to survive, not protecting the wealth you have anymore.

Phrase is the only way to recover a wallet, losing Phrase means you have also lost all the assets stored in the wallet. When you live in a part of the country that is at war, you need to copy the phrase in many places. If necessary, you have to copy the phrase on metal and then store it in the ground.
Crypto players in these two countries will do everything they can to keep the phrase from disappearing. Anyone who has large amounts of assets in their wallet will try to maintain the security of the phrase by writing it in a place that is not flammable and is resistant to heat in high temperatures.

It's good that this topic has been brought up. We never know what could happen to us, and in the event of a war or other unforeseen circumstances in our country, if we keep our wallet phrase and password in the same location where we live, there's a real possibility of losing access to our cryptocurrency. That's why, even though we hope it never happens to us, it's important to prepare for such scenarios.

Putting this information online can be quite risky, so keeping it in writing is a safer option. In this case, make sure you have copies in different locations that are only accessible by you. I understand that this can be challenging, especially if you don't have multiple properties. In such cases, you might consider entrusting copies to family or friends who do not live in the same place you do. While there is some risk associated with this, you need to assess whether you can tolerate that risk because having backups in different locations is a best practice for safeguarding your cryptocurrency assets.

I cannot really imagine what I would do if I were there. Palestinian people suffering for decades and decades. Hamas (The freedom fighters of Palestine was tagged as a terrorist group by Western countries. Even Indians believe that Hamas is a terrorist group despite knowing the full background of how Hamas was built and why.

Back to the point, I know it's not safe, but I would create two email accounts set a 2FA on both of the accounts, and send an email to my other email writing the seed phrase. If I survive, my phone is likely to survive as well.

If you are in a precarious situation or in a location where there are frequent wars in the region then storing the initial phrase on the steel plate is widely recommended, but moreover you have to store in different locations you also have to know the situation of your region with its conflicts if you store only one place then nothing can be done it is destroyed all in this war attack.

I can't imagine being in the same location as Israel and Palestine which are full of conflicts, it is certainly worrying when storing something indoors because many buildings are destroyed there.

Choose steel plate it might be much safer.

Hamas just murdered over a thousand people so I'm not quite sure what you're trying to imply here.


If you write down your seed phrase and keep it with you (like in your pocket or something), then it will survive any airstrike, as long as you yourself can get away in one piece, of course.

I always tell people - email is not safe to store seed phrases! People have had their email messages snooped without even breaking inside, and others have lost money by trusting Google, Yahoo and Microsoft to keep their messages private!

I hadn't imagined that I would be in a war situation like that but it must be difficult for us to survive because everything has turned into a sea of fire.
The important thing is that you can store your seed phrase and everything related to your wallet in a safe place and you must have done it well.
You don't need to worry too much because if your country is still fine, that means you are also still fine so you need to keep your assets in a safe place.

That will be a consideration when we know our country is going to war, and as long as our country is fine, we can save the seed phrase anywhere as long as it is safe from other people and also from disasters that we cannot foresee.

And maybe the right choice would be to make several copies of the seed phrase to keep in various places other than your home and only you know about it, and engrave them on a steel plate that you can wear as a bracelet, necklace. Or anything you could wear or carry during a dire war situation.

The best is using a tool that resist against fire, corrosion, etc and hide it somewhere. If you live in a country that has a chance of conflict or natural disaster, it's better to carry it on your book or fly to other safe country.

People always have a mindset when there's nothing bad happen to them, it's safe. They don't care with other people are saying and will learn after they faced a problem in the future.

In case of a war your computer burns and your bitcoin phrase which is saved in this computer system is fully burned then recovery of your wallet is impossible and all the bitcoin in your wallet will be gone permanently. Bitcoin is a valuable asset and the phrase is for its security you can not unlock your wallet without the phrase. Do not save your phrase in a single place when you save it in one place the chance of losing the phrase and risk increases. You also cannot save it in your office or other places if the body meets your phrase it will also cause complications so I think the best thing is to write down your phrase on a steal plate and put It into a save if anything other than warlike fire or any else occur your phrase will be saved and if you lose your phrase luckily you gotta live then life will be very difficult for you and you have to do all the work again which will take more time.

Nice idea. Backup phrases with brain memory are very effective, but I doubt this is done by people with memory problems.

To access a crypto wallet all we need is a key phrase. If we lose the phrase we will not be able to access it. Therefore, backup other than on the computer is important, maybe we can make a copy of the phrase with several alternatives. Natural disasters, war are unexpected factors, to anticipate these undesirable things alternatives such as writing phrases on iron plates, printing 12 phrases on paper or something similar are very necessary, of course we have to consider this option which is resistant to water and fire.

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OP, I'm sorry for what you're experiencing, to help your problem now is your memory, because a BTC wallet without 12 Phrases is impossible to be access.

Of course, you have drawn attention to a very important issue, because when there is war, often everything is destroyed. We often write down our passwords and seed phrases in a diary or somewhere secret, but in the destruction that follows the war, all this can be lost. A password can be memorized, but a 12-word or 24-word seed phrase is extremely difficult to remember.

We have never thought that if such a situation arises, how we will get our coins back. After war again we cannot get our phrase safe. so there is no sustainable solution in sight. I don't think we will be able to get our coins back after the destruction of the war. It may be that if we feel that a war is about to break out in our country, we can secure our set-freezes with a close relative or friend whom we can trust, if he resides in another country, but there will be danger in this too.

I don't think that it's going for me or almost any person here to advice you about what to do next after surviving the war, so I will try my best to relate something and I think the closest would be a fire engulfing a house but that's still a different story. If I recall correctly, war torn country survivors are going to be refugees in other countries that's giving asylums, your best bet in that scenario is you become a refugee in a country that's not racist and against immigrants and if you can, establish a business (higher chance of business boom if it's food related given that new culture means curiosity for the locals who've never tried the new culture's cuisine), I mean that's what a lot of immigrants have opted to do when they went to other countries right? If you have the passphrase saved somewhere online, you can probably get it back.

On reading this at first, I wanted to disregard it until I understood that there is a great sense in the post. What OP said is something that might likely happen. I haven't experienced any war since I was born but I think war doesn't just happen. There are some signs and build ups to war before the real war starts. When the signs were coming, maybe as Homas were sending missiles, I would simply grab my seed phrase or important my wallet on my mobile device. Either or both of the two methods will enable me escape with the seed phrase before the war intensifies.

Steel made seed phrase is an option. But I'm thinking about a situation that a whole high elevated building is brought down and after the war you go back to excavate the collapsed structure in search of a seed phrase ;D

It depends on what war!
If you are a Palestinian kicked out of your homeland and placed in a prison called Gaza Strip where every 2 minutes on average a heavy bomb is dropped on your head and most of those bombs are phosphorous bombs that boils you do death, then there isn't much you can do because not just your PC but everything you own and yourself are most probably going to turn into ash.

So I will go to get away from the conflict area, there is no point in staying where the war is, there is more anxiety about not only losing the seed phrase but you will also lose your comfort because of the rockets that continue to be dropped due to this threat.
In essence, you have to leave, if it starts to become more conducive then you can come back, but this place has been at war for several years and conflicts continue to occur.

I always have digits backup just in case despite many warnings here about not backing up your seed phrase online. I always zip my seed phrase with password and put it on an online storage such as icloud. I make the name of the zip files like a typical documents just to make sure a hacker won’t get interested on it just in case.

I always expect the worst since my country is always experiencing strong typhoons every year that give high risk of physical damage on my properties. On this case of war, I believe having an online backup is your best choice since you can’t guarantee the safety of your assets physically. Just move the coins safely on different wallet once you are already on safe place.

What happened if in the war you are force out in rush to survive bullets with no means carrying away with you stainless steel plate of the graving that you make of your passphrase for the coins. What can you do because war and running out to refugee camp has no preparation. I'm looking at the war all over different location and I think of that for people in problem like that.


Can you keep memorizing 12 different words for how many years. If you open your wallet and safe in your brain you will forget one of the phrase after long time. You thinking to memorize during war before escaping death is not easy because of fear you can't remember them.

It's basically not a good idea to save your seed phrase (private key) on your computer or smartphone or write it down on paper and store it in your home safe. Because the seed phrase is the key to our crypto asset wallet, and if someone gets access to the wallet, they can steal all the assets in the wallet. Likewise if we live in a country that is being hit by war.

So it is important that we store it in Stainless Steel or better yet washers, bolts and nuts that are water and fire resistant. By engraving your phrase on it, you can then store your initial phrase in a safe location known only to you and your family.

yeah you can do this on emails.  make three different emails.

 say 24aatyb6531@yahoo
and zz2266tak12@yahoo
and tw24xtyuoks@yahoo

put eight seeds in each in each address.

To be sincere with you, I always think of this situation whenever I come across those numerous comments on wallet safety. We can only think of where our wallets are after we've survived a war. No one thinks of where their money or property is in a war. No matter how tight you think you've made the safety of your wallet you can only have access to your place of safety for it if it's not affected by the incidence of war after the war or is anyone going to have sheets of papers on them as they journey for safety? I bet they will get dispossessed of such at first check point.

The only place to keep such would be in an email. Just pile up everything secret in one's email with a remarkable password. If one can remember the email password, one can easily open it after the war to assess whatever that's kept there but is the email even a better option with all the hacks we see every time?

I haven't thought about being in that situation because I'm grateful to live in a safe country. However, as far as I know, this wallet phrase is very risky if it is stored on a PC, whether in a state of war or not, because the PC could be damaged or something else. Therefore, from now on you should be careful in storing your wallet phrase better and you should get used to guarding your wallet phrase, whether you have a little or a lot of crypto assets, write a copy of your initial phrase on a stainless steel can withstand various disasters.

If I were in a war situation, of course I would go to another country where there is no war, being in a place of war is not just a phrase that can lose your wallet, even our lives can be lost.

If you are able to back them up, there's no worry that you need to think of. But if you have forgotten to do that, starting is always the hardest part but as long as you know how and where to start, you'll just need to have sometime until you can get back on your feet.

Not that you can if you don't have the back up. And if the HDD was totally destroyed, no way that it can be retrieved. But if by some chance and luck that HDD is still there, then there's the possibility that you can as long as the disk of data is still inside of it in a perfect condition. Some experts in data recovery could do it.

I have considered a 'brainwallet' before but I think the key is to refresh those words regularly
as in to make sure you are remembering the correct words.

In the case of war where you have to vacate you home or that you cannot actually get to
your home a brainwallet is the only thing which is going to save you.

Another idea is if possible create your own seed phrase from a favourite book, say
the last 12 words in the last sentence of the last chapter, all you have to do is remember
which book.

We can't tell what might happen tomorrow, but on the other hand, I will have to say that it is good to always back up our device or to save stuff in different places, so in case any of these things happen, if we lose, the other will still be in a place.
There is a way one can keep his/her seed phrase, even if someone sees it, the person will not be able to understand what it really means. Sometimes we have to consider some of these things when we want to save guard our things.

In this kind of situations to be honest there is absolutely nothing you can do, your well being will be your first priority but before this situation today where Hamas retaliated a bit, the Israelites were suppose to know that this kind of situation would occur because this has always be a time bomb ready to explode. So leaving a country like this with war round it’s corner just like everyone has stated out you would have made sure to duplicate your backs or rather set up a multi sig wallet with each seed phrase abc master private keys stored in different geological locations, maybe you can go back to them after you might have come out of the war in one piece but the seed phrase is definitely the least of your worries if a war breaks out in your place

I did with your way when saving my seed phrase, I use several placed not only saving seed phrase document but also I use two mobile phone and one computer to login with my wallet. When one place of saving my wallet loss access still have back up or recovery on another place of my mobile phone or computer. Its really important did when having important wallet access not only secure with saving seed phrase but also try to use several place access with our wallet.

Keep use your mobile phone with full of your controlling, don't try with your family mobile phone some time access by the other and get loss chance with our fund.

If you are in this situation, meaning you have lost your Seed Phrase, then I would like to send you my condolences that you will no longer have a chance to get your crypto assets back. But if you're just making an assumption and it hasn't occurred to you yet, you should quickly find another way to safely store your seed phrase. Only that way, when the war is over, can you get your crypto assets back. Protect the seed phrase by all means and try to survive the war.

If we rely on the title of the OP topic, then I don’t think that everything that happens in these two countries will allow a person to calmly remember the phrase. People are so scared and stressed that even if they remain safe, their memory can fail them at any time.

I also thinking about the email idea and not writing it down on paper or to engrave in the stainless because if your building is suddenly on domestic fire and you are in your office you will not come home to rush inside the fire to save to get it.
If your apartment is attack in war like is happening in Israel and Palestine, Ukraine and Russia you run for your dear live, so it is difficult. I also believe email is a little safe if you have password that you can remember fast if you don't also lose your memory after the war. I think when saving in the email, you can make it secret or disorganized and you can save the wallet name different in draft that only you will be able to put them all together and the hacker will not know the name of the wallet to imput the passphrase. That is to secure against hackers .

At the very first place you must need to secure your funds with the backup of your seed phrase, it doesnt mean that it connected online having a check only on it is enough you must need to make sure you have the backup seed because its money or your asset, anything can happen as a worst case scenario, at that point seems you need to make it start again with your investment from zero or else you made already a good other resources of cashflow.

I would advise against it!

If you have absolutely no other solution, at least make it more difficult, four different addresses with different phone numbers (use a prepaid card) and spread the seed between those, not an entire seed in one address because if you do that and it gets hacked you've lost it, if you spread it then the hacked will only get 25% or 33% of the seed which would be useless!

Ignoring the small cases with users getting their google account hacked and their seed phrases stolen, we have the Mixin case where 200 million were lost because of a breach that led to their cloud storage account getting compromised!


They are not!
People are not machines, they are bad at randomizing and are bad at learning and memorizing random stuff.
We use most of the time a mind picture or a logic chain to memorize things, if you can't find one in a series of 12 or 24 words most likely you will forget it unless you practice that thing every day which kind of defeats the whole thing!

There were numerous experiments with how people memorize things and excluding elements from memory is normal, so translating this to bitcoin seed phrases, if you happen to have a thing like:
cabbage grape jealous banana
your brain will try to associate the three words that are vegetables and fruits which would lead overtime with losing the 3rd word in the sequence.

After the war things will be difficult to start, the economy is not in a position to make a profit but usually goes to a place where economic growth is better. So many war victims decided to go to other countries to get work and a better life. If a device is damaged, including a computer that contains a recovery seed and has not been properly backed up, there is nothing that can be done. The country where I live is independent, but that doesn't mean I feel safe if the assets I own are not stored properly. Having a spare place is mandatory in times of crisis or war. So always having anticipatory vigilance is the best way, because unexpected things come in surprising ways.

I've actually thought about this, though it's not an effective storing technique but I'm left with no choice since I'm constantly on the run for my life. Storing my seed phrase on a piece of paper or metallic steel plate may not be ideal at this point as it could be destroyed. I know I don't support storing of seed phrase electronically but if I happen to be in a country where there's war, I would save it in a cloud storage and if I make it through the war and everything returns back to normalcy. I would look for a computer or phone and access my funds. If it's still in intact, I would create a new wallet, transfer my funds to the wallet and keep my seed phrase offline.

Only those who have been through such bad conditions of war can imagine how difficult the reality is for them. If you see the dead bodies of your relatives every day and are woken up by the sound of bullets and bombs, you can imagine the reality. In the current dire situation in Israel and Palestine, people are now preoccupied with saving their lives. The most important thing for people now is their life, they don't value anything else except life. Since we are not in that situation, many of us will talk a lot about how to save our wallet passwords or other important things, but if we had actual experience, we would have a different opinion. If the war between Palestine and Israel had stopped, many lives would have been saved.

I feel like putting it online is not as terrible as people make it out to be, a lot of people act as if that would be the worst thing ever but that is not the case in most times. Just put your money online and you will be able to get it anywhere.

Sure, if you have a normal life that you do not have to run all the time then you can do whatever with other stuff, but that is not the case for others. Have something that you can reach via your mobile phone, and store it online and you can take your mobile phone with you everywhere, and even if you do not have your own mobile phone, you can find another one eventually and use that to download the app and log back in and get it.

If you can't even do that then it means you are not in a situation that you can consider bitcoin anyway, that is too late. Those type of online results are the best during that type of period, plenty of Ukrainians did it and it was a smart move to cross the border without anything on them and still had money anyway.

Overall, when you live in a war zone, you have to be prepared for this case the day you create your bitcoin wallet.
I would create 12 words seed phrase and start memorizing it, absolutely every day I would try to memorize it and repeat it, even after months, I would still do it. But at the same time, since no one knows when war starts, I would buy Cryptosteel Capsule and would keep it with me.

But if you are very unready, I would edit one of my old word documents and secretly put seed phrase, divided into four parts and would secretly store it in a way that only I would be able to collect it back and random person wouldn't have a doubt about bitcoin wallet. I won't say where and how I would save it because it will reveal too much about me and my methods. But this way of storing seeds is not recommended at all and I would only do it if I have no other choices.

I bet you have memorized some lyrics that you learnt at school and you still remember them exactly. Well, at least I believe. I would say that memorizing is not a bad method if person tries to memorize it every day and still repeats it even after being confident. By repeating the same words every day for months and more, you will remember it so well, you will be surprised. But I think all methods should be individual, I don't force anyone to follow this one cause I don't know their cognitive abilities but I just think it's not as bad as people say.

In a critical situation, the last thing I would count on is my memory.... believe me - stress, concussion, injury - and your memory will fail with a VERY high probability. And this is synonymous with “I lost my wallet forever.” It is necessary to have an alternative mechanism for storing critical data - for example, mail systems of large suppliers (Google, Microsoft,...), perhaps (additionally) - trusted people located outside the risk zone. In a word, you need to have 1-2-3 alternative options, in addition to faith in your memory.. As practice has shown, for example, in Ukraine, which is suffering from terrorist attacks on peaceful cities by the Russian terrorist army, our peaceful cities are shelled at night, when everyone is sleeping, and after being hit ballistic missiles into a residential apartment building - you are unlikely to have time to collect a laptop, papers, or anything else to save them... there the question comes in a split second... Terrorists fire volleys at civilians. And if you leave an engraved iron plate at home, and your city is captured, for example, by Russian terrorist troops, your home will be looted, and everyone will steal - wallets, jewelry, equipment, worn underwear, toilets, dishes, anything incomprehensible and beautiful, . .. We came across this... Therefore, I do not recommend considering the option of physical accessible storage.

That is if you're using a paper wallet or storing your seed on a laminated paper material, there's a way you can encrypt your seeds o a metallic stainless steel and it will not be affected by fire until it got to a certain degree of temperature, we can also have a dual copy of where or how we save our private keys, this will serve as an alternative backup for us to use whenever we are having challenges in having access to any.

The thing that differentiates crypto assets from other assets is that when we have a private key it is almost difficult to be hacked, I won't say impossible because developments will continue to occur and one day there may be a simple program or application that can read the private key algorithm so that it becomes the end result. from the era of cryptocurrencies.

There is not much that you can do in situations like that. You can back up all you want but if the thing is not indestructible then you are just unfortunate. You can't make online backup as that is quite risky. Other things like paper wood or metal could be destroyed in war. But if you're lucky as those things survived only then you can get back your account. Otherwise, there are some ways you can back up your phrase key.

You can encode your phrase key using some mathematical term or some algorithm that you come up with. It should be done in a way so that only you can decode it.
So imagine this is a 12-word phrase key. 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12. Now if we divided into four part with three words per group we get something like this. 1.2.3 4.5.6 7.8.9 10.11.12 now you can play with it and make a formula. As we have four groups we can randomize it. G1 (1234) G2 (456) G3 (789) G4 (10.11.12)
Now you can randomize it like this: G3 G1 G2 G4 and after every group there should be a random word or two in between those groups. Then you can back up the hole word list online. And then all you need to remember is which group comes after which group. And the number of random word you put in between them. If you can remember 3124 then you can get the whole phrase key from your online backup. It is still risky, but the hackers will have a hard time decoding it.

War will result in great destruction in the warring countries, not only will infrastructure be destroyed, casualties will also fall on both sides. Every individual who holds crypto assets must have a strategy so that their assets can be taken back when peace occurs (if the individual holding crypto assets does not become a victim).
When the atmosphere is chaotic, saving Phrases on a PC is not recommended. You need to choose the safest place to store Phrases such as non-flammable and heat-resistant objects. Apart from thinking about your personal safety, you also need to think about the assets stored in your Wallet so you can use them again to finance your personal needs when they are safe.

It doesn’t matter for what exact reason the wallet's seed phrase is lost, be it a war, an earthquake, a global flood, a volcanic eruption, “substitute the cataclysm you need”, in each case the physical destruction of the carrier of your seed phrase (paper, metal, file on a PC or flash drive). The standard principle of creating a backup copies can help here. Of course, in different locations (countries), so that if one single copy of the seed phrase is destroyed, you won’t have to ask questions similar to yours. It is strongly recommended to prepare for such disasters (as for any force majeure circumstances) in advance.

There is another option: store the seed phrase on the Internet (cloud storage and the like), which allows access from anywhere in the world, but this has its own vulnerabilities. Unauthorized people may have access to the file. This option is only possible with a carefully encrypted file (access) to seed phrase and only in the absence of other more reliable alternative options.

It is really important to know what can be done to protect the wallet phrase and password in such a disaster in life. Since here it is said in the context of war that how to secure the wallet during the war. In this case my personal suggestion would be to transfer the whole funds from your all wallet to a decentralized wallet. Then memorizing the private phrases of that wallet.
Because it is normal that you will not remember the phrase and password of more than one(multiple wallets). Since such a war does not start suddenly, there are some warnings before that, so I would say that it would be best to memorize the private phrases of a decentralized wallet in the same way that we memorize mobile numbers. Moreover, another way is to sync online but here syncing these private phrases online means making the private key public because there is a possibility of hacking.
Moreover, many users have shared tricks on the Bitcoin forum to protect the seed phrase of the wallet from natural disasters that can come at any time. You can visit them if you want.
Securing Your Seed Phrase with Washers (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5389446.0)
How to backup a seed phrase? (https://blog.lopp.net/how-to-back-up-a-seed-phrase/)
[Full Guide+Code]Seed Phrase & The Process of Deriving Bitcoin Addresses from It (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5316005.0#post_one)
[LIST] Bitcoin Seed Backup Tools (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5263482.0)
Crypto Security - Additional Protection For Your Seed/Private Keys. (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5230920.0)

I mean, yeah. That is war. I would rather lose all my money and material things than my life. And I could always start anew. It's only money after all...

The good thing about Bitcoin is that even though there are investors, there is only a certain amount of Bitcoin that can never increase beyond that number. So Bitcoin will always be a asset which appreciates in value over time, as long as there is a demand for it. And I see no reason why there would not be a demand for Bitcoin. Unless the world was so torn asunder that the global internet network was no longer working/repairable.

But even then, I am sure there would be communities of survivors with their own local internet and Bitcoin.

I've secured my wallet phrase in two forms: physical and digital. The method I employ for digital backup is quite unique because only I can decipher the message I've created. It's like a regular two-paragraph story, but I can transform it into a wallet phrase to access my BTC wallet.

Every two weeks, I make it a point to refresh my memory on the technique I've devised for extracting the wallet phrase from the paragraph I've created. This way, I won't easily forget the method I've self-implemented. Discover your own way to perform digital backups as well. This will make your wallet resilient against natural disasters or even wars.

Having a cold storage doesn't mean it protects your assets, it is you who should protect the cold storage. In times of war we cannot predict what would happen, we knew how things are pacing during this time, but always assume that it will be a massive destruction. I don't like thinking these things but this is true, so if you possess a physical storage for your assets then you must avoid any physical destruction to secure your assets.

Perhaps, keeping a portable laptop with you that you can always go with you is the best thing to have.

I think money will be the last thing in your mind in this situation. People say all kinds of things about war but none of them will work when you face the situation yourself. In theory, bitcoin is borderless and you can leave your country taking your wealth with you etc… what if the borders are closed? Then you are fucked. What good is btc if you can’t leave the country like the people in Gaza now? Royally fucked. The life after the war will not start for you unless you survive the war. And you very well may not survive through it. It is not even good to think about money when bombs are landing around you. These thoughts will distract you and any small distraction may cost your life.

In this case, if you have seen or been aware or wary that your place does have that in war situation then you should really be that attentive or tending back up everything.
If you do see that if your paper which your keys been written is at risks then its better to store up those PK's on cloud or on email which i dont really that recommended
knowing that exploits and unauthorized access could happen but for the sake of things to be that just in temporary then it wont really be that a bad choice.
You wont really be bothering yourself with those keys and you wont really be that stressing yourself on trying to protect it.

You could always make that access anytime if ever you do need to have that wallet which those pk's being stored neither on an email or whatever cloud storages.
On the time that the war is over then it would really be that right that you should be erasing those pk's then go back into your traditional offline storage or safekeeping
of those keys.

There are indeed situations which it is really that hard specially on war on which everything you do posses might be burned up or would
really be that abandon.This is why physical storages isnt really that recommended this type. They are really that prone on getting lost
or would be burnt out.

Not really recommended to store PK or seed on the cloud or email. The risk of losing it during a war is the same as losing the coins because you store your details online.
There is not much preparation for you to be able to avoid losing it if you live somewhere in Gaza though. Things escalate so quickly, that you may not be able to hide your scratch paper where your seeds are.

If I'm sure the corner where my computer is isn't burntor destroyed, I go back to the pile of rubles dig my computer, and recover the seed. Seem the only way.

It pains me how some persons feel free to write there seed phrase on paper or there file seeing it as more comfortable than it supposed to be. Sometimes we have never considered war as an option or strange that can happen to us. We need to understand the basic and how safe we need to keep our seed phrase to make sure that we don't lose our seed phrase from unpopular reasons. War is something that we all pray should never happen to us and we need to be very careful how we go keep our seed phrases to avoid issues that can make us not have excess to our seed phrase.

Your computer malfunctioning for some reason, in this case due to a war, should not be a problem as any wallet software will tell you to create a backup of your seed words when you create a new wallet, also while it would be bad to lose access to our coins, getting out alive out of a war is a good outcome even if you have nothing else but the clothes over your body, as all of those that were not so lucky would have given anything to be on your position.

If our seed phrase and private key are burned and no other backup is available then we lose all the coins on that wallet address.  The first thing to do to survive after the war is to look for a source of income to establish funds for daily needs while looking for a possible source of food so that I wouldn't starve to death.  This is obviously a no-brainer answer.

I won't be choosy because it is fortunate to find a job after a war where the economy is devastated by the recent war.

If you create your wallet in a secure machine with open source software using an open operating system like GNU/Linux (better also to be done offline), there's no need to worry. You can keep your coins at your address for years. The only time to worry about moving the coins would be if bitcoin potentially needs a quantum resistance upgrade. You don't actually need to move your coins constantly. Cryptography of BTC isn't known to be broken and so long as that remains true an address whose private key was created securely has no need to stop being used to store coins. 

That stupid thing if it still exists (save his investment on PC), I don't know what he thinks in the middle of the war, he still brings the laptop where all his treasure is inside on the laptop. 

Does he know if Bitcoin is one of the simple instruments of investment?. we don't even need to bring anything like fiat, gold, safe box or other items when run in the middle of a war. In bitcoin, we only need a 12 word mnemonic seed that we can write on laminate paper or metal plate. If you want to be safe write it on a metal plate, that's not much either, we just need 5x10 cm plate to stamp 4 letter seed. Just simple like that.

Even if he wasn't at war, storing the seed phrase on the PC was a bad and stupid idea. There is no need for war to destroy everything he has, daily dangers from the internet or in life are enough to rob him of all his assets if he continues to store them on his PC. Storing seed phrases on internet-connected devices or on computers, phones...is never recommended. I remember we have discussed this issue thousands of times and for many years, but why do some people still make these basic mistakes when investing in bitcoin?

If you've lost everything then there's nothing you can do and in fact, even without war, you still have a chance of losing your seed phrases if you don't consider all the possibilities that could happen, just save them on a computer or other electronic device that can be lost or damaged, so make quite a lot of copies. and also storing it in a different place is very likely to reduce the risk. Unfortunately, most people only take preventative steps when an incident occurs so that they experience a loss first and then consider many ways to save it so that it doesn't happen again.

It sounds quite risky and there's a chance that an uncontrolled copy could be exploited by someone who inadvertently gets hold of our seed phrase. The more places we store our seed phrase, the greater the possibility of it being discovered, especially on a computer that's susceptible to viruses or malware. I personally don't recommend using this method.

It's better to keep one copy as a cloud-based file that employs specialized techniques to decipher the phrase. Just use a unique technique like a puzzle code that only you can solve. And one physical copy that can be accessed without an internet connection.

I know this is not a safe idea. But they can use encryption like PGP to encrypt the seed and send the encrypted message in an email. No one is likely to know what is this. And they can store their other information with such encryption. As long as you have 2FA enabled, I guess it's kinda safe from 3rd party unless the company staff (Google) check those emails.

About Hamas killing thousands, I do not support these things. What I like is, when Israel kills Palestanians civilians, Hamas attack them as a reaction. So, I did not like that they attacked first.

I suggest an additional option to save encrypted files to a new folder extension. rar which is password protected, this effort is to increase the security features of files that cannot be accessed directly if our email has been hacked or there is interference from company staff, hackers have to crack the .rar password then they have to open the phrase file, you have to set a complex password such as a combination of numbers, letters and characters.

Each person is responsible for storing Seed phrases/Mnemonics according to their respective techniques based on online or offline, but the best technique for storing offline is as suggested in the previous post, it is recommended to write the phare on laminated paper or print the phare on metal.

mnemonics are easy to memorize. I don't see the problem, you can memorize up to 24 words using only 6 sentences, not to say that you only need 3 sentences to memorize a 12 word seed from electrum.

I have also two kind of backup an electronic backup encrypted with GPG and the 24 words written in a way of poem form just to not be too obvious at first sight

This is a very sensitive topic. I wished the OP didn't mention Israel and Palestine. We have people from both sides here.

If you live in a region that is prone to war and other natural and man-made disasters, you have the responsibility to consider all the possible scenarios and be prepared for it as much as possible. And also have a backup for the backup.

This is sad but you can’t do anything about this once you’ve lost your private keys or phrase that is written on a paper or saves on your computer, its too sad to hear this kind of news but if you are still on a safe place then you can at least start backing up your details and look for alternative option where you can save your details safely. Well, your security and safety are more important and if you are on this situation, make sure to focus on your safety first. Praying for a world peace and I’d hope that this war will end soon.

Another approach to this could be just having something in your pocket? Like a ledger wallet or even a simple usb? I mean if it is on your keychain for example that means that you are going everywhere with it, you have it on your keychain after all and that means you are going to end up with a good result. If you are shot and at hospital you still have your keychain unless they stole it, or if you are bombed and have to vacate then you can take your keychain with you, if you are anywhere, even if you go to another nation, all of that means keychain will be with you.

A simple usb that goes into your keychain would solve 99.99% of these problems. Only possibility that could make things go wrong would be just the fact that you may get it stolen if you are way into the war itself, and if you are in the war itself where you are fighting against other people then I am sure that bitcoin is the least of your worries, people firing bullets to your head seems a lot worse than losing your coins.

Actually in this case I think the title doesn't really fit the context because after all this is just a condition where we imagine in a war situation and your context is not Israel with Palestine because in the end this is just when your PC is broken or whatever.
Answering that is quite obvious when you lose the phrase and can't remember the seed phrase that you have then it is certain that we will lose the access that we have to enter the wallet. This is not referring to war only but in any condition when your PC crashes and your wallet is embedded in it when you lose the seed everything will be lost and cannot be restored.

To be honest if I was in the middle of war like in Israel Palestine conflict, I think wouldn't even think about my investment, I would just run and try to survive. But since OP made this discussion, maybe if there is a warning before the actual war break out, I would write my seed phrase put it in a stainless steel tube and then I run out of the country.

That's one of the reasons i am keeping mine in exchanges. Better security and better backups than i could ever provide. Yeah, sure they get hacked and cexes are against an ideological ethos in here, but frankly i don't care. I am not doing anything illegal so my coins won't be confiscated by any government, i have an instant liquidity ready and don't have to worry losing my private keys. Funny enough, i already lost one paper sheet with all my old account private keys in it. Maybe that lucky finder will get some airdrops later on.

it is a fairly confusing condition where there is no other access other than phrase and privatekey to restart with any amount of stored assets, the device is like just a container of course potentially lost, damaged or unable to be filled due to certain conditions.

phrase and privatekey here are worthy of the contents that we can fill in anytime anywhere and however, depending on the wallet we have, I'm talking about the bitcoin network only.

I still store in paper so far, even though the paper condition is still good I can update maybe once a year for my savings wallet during DCA.

Or you can try storing in the cloud if you protect your email a2f, either in google keep or similar notes.

hard media is quite a lot, either iron, wood, decorative stone, canvas or you can screen print/embroider on a piece of handkerchief fabric.

any device you can find in any condition, the most important thing is to keep the privatkey and phrase to enter the wallet you want and you can see and even use if you have an emergency, I hope you are in good condition, this is just an anticipation.

I've experienced in the mobile browser wallet, it's quite easy with the phrase saved for restoration. Even though I didn't know at first and made a new wallet because I didn't want it to happen twice, I backed up what I thought was enough for me to reach it.

I always make sure to memorize my mnemonic phrase whenever I create a new wallet. I will repeat the words everyday until they are stuck in my head. If something catastrophic were to happen and all my possessions were to be destroyed I would not lose access to my Bitcoin as long as I don't forget the backup phrase.


My Coinbase account was the first wallet that I used. After a while my PC stopped working and I didn't have access to my account for some time. I felt my coins would be safe when I recovered my account. I did eventually regain access but Coinbase had started implementing mandatory KYC and if I had waited a few more months I wouldn't be able to withdraw my funds because I signed up using an alias and it would be impossible to pass KYC. After that I never trusted centralized services. We have also seen what happened with FTX and Celsius. The only way you can ensure the safety of your money is through self custody.

Of course, whenever a war starts somewhere, the first priority is to save one's life, but it is human nature that he can never leave his investment easily. In war, houses and shops are destroyed, but people try hard to take what they can take with them. If someone has gold, he will try to take as much as he can or keep it somewhere safe,because he has to financially survive himself and his family in the new country or anywhere.

So that if the opportunity arose again after the war, he could recover his capital. Your suggestion is also great to write down your seed of phrase and save them to the stainless steel tube, but you have to protect this tube in a better way, because even if the tube is lost, you can lose everything, because moving to a new country and then keeping it safe there will not be easy.

We can actually do something to avoid such unfortunate incident to us like storing our keys somewhere else like on offline storage which we can easily carry out once there's a emergency situation happens. But many didn't expect that war will happen since everyone is partying but suddenly this unfortunate things happen as quick as they though. But for me if I am in the middle of the war I will just leave all my belonging since my first priority is my safety and also my family. Will just came back there once situation will be fine and if I can't recover my bitcoin then its fine since as long as we are alive then all is good. Bitcoins can be earn but human life is more important, although its really a huge loss for us but once everything will be fine and war ends we can still earn another volume to hold.

The first case in which you think about war is if your house is bombed. You and your family will leave immediately without being able to take anything with you. Even if you wrote the seed on a piece of paper or on a piece of stainless steel or something similar, you may not be able to reach it at that terrifying moment. . Because your only concern at that time is to save your life.

So perhaps it is best to keep the piece of paper or steel containing the seed in your pocket at all times, so that it stays with you in case you are suddenly bombed and have to run away without being able to take anything with you.

Wars don't just break out, there must have been some signs and if you are living in such country you need to get the hell out before it gets worse, I knew some people living in Ukraine before the war began, they evade the country and after the real war on Ukraine started.

This is one of the reasons why emergency money is good, always have this in mind, as your home might become that of a stranger some day, I trust myself in this category as I am not always that lose when it comes to unexpected events, I am the type that always expect the unexpected.

Since you aren't in Israel or other countries that are at war still doesn't mean you should be prepared, as I read someone saying why worry when you are not in such countries, no where is ever safe and there is nothing different between you are people living in such countries, same thing can happen in any country, big or small.

I don't agree with you. I myself am a citizen of Ukraine, a resident of Kyiv. On February 24, I suggested that my wife leave the city, since there were very high risks of both shelling and the arrival of the country’s troops, an international terrorist, in Kiev (by the way, they even partially entered Kiev in several areas, but were destroyed). My son and I went and signed up for the Kyiv Territorial Defense. Why ? The answer is simple: this is MY country, this is MY city, and if we all “ran away from the war”, both in Kiev and in Ukraine there would already be the so-called “Russian world”, but in fact - a mixture of Nazism and terrorism, i.e. .e. RASHISM.
There would have been many millions of civilians killed at the hands of Kremlin Nazism, even more cities and destinies destroyed. Therefore, we MUST defend our land, our country, our family!

My wife did not go anywhere, saying that we must go through all this only together. In Ukraine, women also behave courageously and responsibly...

Regarding the storage of access data to wallets, I forwarded them to two of my friends whom I trust and who live in other countries (immigrants from Ukraine, but in the 1990s-2000s they moved to live in other countries), leaving the contacts of all family members (phone, various instant messengers, mail , social networks....), in case of unforeseen situations, and loss of contact with me

I won't discuss the wars that happened and who was right and who was wrong. But if everyone tries to flee the country when it is at war, are we patriotic citizens? And if everyone has the mentality of running away, who will stay and fight to keep the country? This is a selfish mindset and people with this mindset do not deserve to return after the country is at peace. They are even more unworthy of making any demands from the government because they do not help the country.

Regarding storage, there are many ways to do it because we live in a technological world, as long as we can still connect to the internet, I think finding a temporary storage place will not be too difficult.

That is a great Idea. Thank you for sharing your thoughts. Sometimes we don't know what will happen to us especially OP is talking about war. If someone does not have metal washers to write stamp the seed phrase, they can do these encryption methods if they want. So it's three-layer protected. First one is PGP encryption, and the 2nd one is locked.rar file and the third one is 2FA locked. 2FA locked could be tricky because someone may lose their phone in war or in case they get injured somehow and lose their phone somewhere. Papers are not safe in those environment. People might lose their sense if they get injured and the paper can be stolen from their pocket or moneybag.

If you lose those you can't gain them back anymore. It's just that simple.

Some wallet providers will give you access as long as you can provide verification that it was indeed you, but I won't hold on to that hope cause those are usually only reserved for hot wallet providers and all that stuff. Your best bet is always going to be cold wallets with portability options like Trezor, these wallets are very easy to carry and can even be used as a keychain if you so please. Giving you the benefit of being able to carry it with you wherever you go.

Besides, survival is going to be your first priority when you're in the middle of warring states, money can be earned back provided that you stay alive, if you die, you can't get anything back.

In general, that's what I'm talking about!
I will say a general phrase that describes both the problems of escaping from war and other problems - “running away from a problem only aggravates it.”

And regarding the mechanisms of saving, if we talk about war, we must consider not the option “how can I get to my wallet later,” but “how, in the event of a negative development of the situation, can I provide access to my savings to me or my closest people.” Unfortunately, these are the realities of WAR, and it is impossible to predict what will happen tomorrow or in an hour when your country is attacked by crazy terrorists...

In a war situation as extreme as the described I think that one prioritizes other things and coins are secondary. But if the circumstances allow it, and you are able to plan on beforehand how to escape with your coins, maybe one of the best options would be to send a good percentage to your Bitcoins to one wallet and memorise the keys.

Hard wallets like Trezor are great in most situations, but if you have to escape you risk losing everything in a possible body search.

If I were in their shoes before the war, it’s much better to engrave the phrases in indestructible metal bars of any kind as it is resistant to fire, water or any calamity.

I wouldn’t count on saving my seed phrases online and/or in my hard drive, USB, etc. I would rather invest a safe box that is indestructible and keep it somewhere safe along with my phrases and other important stuff regardless of the calamity that I am encountering.

But no matter what, surviving is always my first priority even if I would lose all of my access in my assets because I can get it back anytime I want.

The detonation of a war bomb is incredibly powerful, and even if you store something in metallic form, I can assure you it will suffer physical damage, with the mildest possibility being that your seed phrase becomes illegible. In wartime conditions, it's advisable to leave the battlefield when feasible, as it's a matter of safety and also safeguarding our assets.

If you haven't considered how to securely store your phrase online, you're putting yourself and your assets at risk during such wartime scenarios. However, if you store it online, you shouldn't have to worry about your phrase once the war is over.

Note: Don't store the phrase in plain text. You can use a puzzle technique to make sure the phrase you create can only be deciphered by you. I believe that's a safer approach.

If you have a good memory and you follow those tips above, well yeah it wasn't bad because it makes things more convenient for us when accessing our wallet and we don't need to worry if we lose our back ups. But, they are needed just in case something bad happens to us like if we have an amnesia or worse die. That way the people that we inherited the coins can use it.

To the OP, no I don't consider that possibility since, I don't store my keys on the device that I'm using. But if let say it happened, I might struggle financially and start from scratch again but I will still be thankful that I survived the war that occurred and I am still alive.

There's absolutely nothing you will do about it afterwards in as much as you didn't backup your wallet phrase in different locations but in one single piece your assets is lost perhaps for ever. It is for the circumvention such unforeseen circumstances like war, inferno, natural disasters and more that we are advised to multi-locate our private keys.

Like they say, when there's life there is hope, survival is quintessential which actually means you can put in more efforts start afresh  to making money again. Moving on may be hard  but that's the best option.

Lyrics! Lyrics have logic and are easy to imagine or to capture a feeling:


logic and easy to remember replayed 10 times!

Now when you try :
foot ball wolf pledge obvious arch penalty

Your brain will try to first relate the two images, foot and ball, so the image of you kicking a ball, wolf comes easily, you kinking a ball at a wolf , easy to remember, then you get pledge and obvious and arch at which you will realize as you read your brain can't make a logical picture of it, easy to test as you will automatically try to delete the first picture in your mind to come up with a new one based on the next words only to relate again penalty to foot and ball.  ;D

Just pick any seed phrase and you will see how easily your brain imagines the first 2-5 words only to struggle involuntarily as the list goes on to create some logic.

This is not specific about bitcoin or a seed phrase, this is how our brain works. we're just bad at creating and memorizing random data, tests of this kind have been done for decades, and the conclusion is always the same, we're not built for it!


 

I also think it will be better to store that way in cloud storage. Storage like you save in google drive, it will be safe there for anytime that you like to restore it after a war when you survive it. If you keep in google drive you have to remember the password to login to the google account and if you do that it will open everything you have keep there. You have to keep the password save no matter how long you will access it back like your email too.

So in reality the problem is happening right now, the story is your life or your money, which is more important?

Luckily, the current life in the country I live in does not encounter this situation where catastrophic wars have ended. But I still hear from the previous generation about the transfer of power, monetary issues were almost meaningless and the assets people hoarded at that time were bars of gold, silver, pearls,... The way they do it is to put it in a box and drop it into the water tank and of course it is secret, even if it is no longer alive, there is still a chance for someone else to find it and use it. In this era, we have bitcoin as a new way to store assets and there are also many ways to store secret things, but in my opinion, try to save your life first.

War is the most detrimental action for both parties, including society, the losses caused by war are no joke, starting from lives, assets, the economy and so on becoming worthless, except: those who survived and found a safe place for the people affected by the war.

Talking about crypto assets, of course it is very difficult to talk about countries at war, because we know that wars nowadays usually use missiles, anything can be destroyed and destroyed, including electricity, internet and all assets that are related to online, including banks, but the only way if we have crypto assets, record everything that is related to crypto assets, passwords and so on, plant them 1-2 meters deep in the ground and mark them, If it's safe and we're safe, dig and take it, maybe that's one way to get access back to the crypto asset wallet that we have, that's probably the best way to do it, to go back to the beginning, like the old people did or sell it. buy it in gold, howjust like I said above.

I align with your thoughts, i think that the best place to store such important information like your seed phrase is in your brain. No matter where you are or where you go in the world the phrases will not depart from you. So in this regard if a person decides to memorize their seed phrase, i think that it is better to get a wallet with twelve phrases instead of twenty four, so it'll be easier to memorize. All the person needs to do is to look up on the seed phrase, once in a while, in order not to forget. This method does not in any way undermine the importance of storing the phrase information in other secured locations, but just to be on the safest side, after hiding the seed phrase it's better to memorize them in the brain. As a matter of fact I'll start to memorize my seed phrase from today.

In the event of war, fire disaster, natural disaster, theft, or misplacement of where we stored our seed phrase, it can damage or be stolen, but the ones that are stored in our minds can not be stolen or damaged. So in case where any of the things mentioned where to occur and the phrases are lost all we need do is remember them from our memory, them rewrite, hide and start to memorize them again once in a while.

It is difficult to imagine if there was a war like Israel and Palestine. Maybe if you live in Israel, you can escape. However, I tried to position myself as being in Palestine with very heavy bombardment, maybe metal or steel would not survive if hit by a bomb. Apart from that, being in Palestine also means not being able to go to other countries.

One way is to actually save the seed phrase online, after which we only think about our own safety. Because in a war situation, your own life is the most important asset and second only to Bitcoin assets. By the way, we are very lucky to be in a safe country without war, I can't imagine being in a situation of war between Israel and Palestine.

I'll show you how it not only can be, but how it is.

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It ...was...the town of Maryanka, Ukraine, Population 10,000 inhabitants...also WAS.

Was destroyed by Russian terrorist troops in May 2023, by regular shelling with all possible means - MLRS, Artillery, heavy bombs, heavy flamethrower systems....

What do you think - in such a situation the physical carrier will be preserved ? So that it is clear - there is even melted concrete in some houses....

Therefore, information storage - only in the clouds, and it is desirable to have 1-2 trusted people.

In any case, we should not rely only on our computers and other similar devices to store our secret keys to cryptocurrency wallets. I am a proponent of having printed information on paper. Storing in Google's cloud storage is also not entirely reliable, since starting from the new year they set a two-year period after which, if the account was inactive, all information in the cloud drive is erased. Apparently, we need to simultaneously use different methods for storing our keys. But it’s still impossible to predict everything, and many will lose access to their wallets, including because of the war.

You see  a lot of questions all around of how do you get your bitcoin back when you lose the seed phrase and it is very impossible except if the victim have a time machine to go back in time to check what the phrase was.

If it is about wallet i have not heard of them given access the only thing I know is when opening a wallet they don't need your details all the give you is your seed phrase, but if it is an exchanges they will give you access anytime since your registration needs your details with your I.Ds make them have access to your privacy and it is not even safe to keep your money in an exchange because what happened to FTX is a clear lesson to all,  so trusting an exchange with your money is not advisable, keep your money inside your wallet were you are incharge of your funds anytime you need your money you have access to it. That is a very strong advice everyone will give to you.

I think if someone has reached that point he will be able to return to such a place again.
because he has experienced this.
let's say warren buffet lost all his fortune, he will collect it again sooner or later.

For that matter I don't think so, in crypto - the private key is your asset itself. If we lose our private key/seed phrase we can't access our crypto wallet, that's a death sentence.
In conflict-affected areas it is difficult to think about anything else, let alone purchasing crypto, to be able to live, eat and sleep comfortably is already very difficult and requires fighting tooth and nail. Unless we move to a safe country.

That’s the situation with wars, it comes with absolute and irreparable destruction that did take years to build.
It’s an unfortunate situation but, one that you cannot repair in the blink of an eye neither will you be able to hold anyone accountable.
One thing is for sure, people have lost more than seed phrases and wallet password. People own business that worth a lot and are life dependent. How then do they go about rebuilding an investment that has been reduced to rumbles. It’s just the situation with war and there is absolutely nothing anyone could do about it.

Security and privacy have it’s cons and this is one of them.

If you saved the one with the seed phrase as your backup, you can still recover it after the war, for sure. But if you don't know where you put it, there is definitely no chance for you to recover it.

That's why it's really important that you have backups, not just one; you should have many backups to make sure that you can also recover when you suffer from such a battle with every country in the world.

Nice idea. for someone whose country is at war would require. This is the ideal way to save a seed phrase, in my opinion, because if you write it down on paper or a steel plate, as some people suggest, you run the risk of losing it or misplacing it due to a bomb explosion. However, if you send your seed phrase to your email that has 2FA security enabled on both, your seed phrase is safe and will be accessible even after the war is over.

Patriotic issues or correlated into these things wont really be something that a concern for those people who do live on such places.They wont care on the time that they are on verge or condition
which war is happening.They dont care about those things as long they could get out on which it isnt really that shocking nor surprising on the things that they would gonna do.
Our family's safety would really be our main priority and there's no way that we could put up other things above it. So dont get shocked if people would really
go into that certain extent just for saving up themselves and their loved ones.

Speaking about storing up those coins then if you are already aware that war is happening then it would really be ideal that you should be storing up your keys on cloud, physical storages
would really be at great risks on losing it on the verge of war. Yes, its not recommended considering the risks but it would really be just that temporal. You cant really just that make
yourself wont really be doing something with those coins and its true that once there's internet then we could really be able to access those coins
with ease.

Anything can happen during war and if we are in that situation it is probably not the BTC assets that we think about most but the safety of ourselves and our family members and if that happens, I think you and we are ready beforehand, whether it's a matter of forgetting, there's a small or big incident, and keep it in the safest place, namely in our heads, memorize it over and over again beforehand so we don't forget either the password or the phrase, especially if we already know it. in areas with high vulnerability and large amounts of assets. if you lose your wallet phrase that's the real war.

Don't just rely on crypto assets, remember if you have previously earned income from crypto, set it aside and then build other assets online such as YouTube content creators, etc. Returning to the case that the OP wrote about, make sure we also save "keys" or "mneumonics" (backup) in case there is a case of lost laptop, cellphone or an incident such as a fire.

Moreover, I have learned about the PGP thing which can be used in computer and mobile devices as well, people can encrypt their seed phrase with PGP and send the encrypted message via email to save it as a document. In this way, this will be protected with another layer of security. It's batter to have it digitally because you never know when you are going to lose things. Even if you do not set 2FA in your email and encrypt your seed phrase with PGP and send your private key via email, people unlikely to understand what it is because not many people know what is PGP and how to encrypt/decrypt.

No, I didn't lose any assets or my swallow, even though my swallow was destroyed by cold, my PC was destroyed, my house was destroyed during the war. The most important thing is that I remember the 12 word phrase because until now I have self custody cold wallet storage. If you enter the crypto world, remember not your keys, not your coins, don't store your assets on any exchange, learn about cold wallets because they really really help you in saving. assets and from there we also learn what is called responsibility because with self custody that is where we can fully control our assets

I haven't experienced any war before, so things like this haven't happened to me before. But if you can lose your wallet private key in a war, all you can do is just start all over. But if you store your wallet private key in multiple places, if you are lucky enough to be able to access even one of them, then you can get your bitcoin back. But if you lose access to all of them, then nothing can be done about it than to start afresh. That's just part of the effect of war, that's why we shouldn't pray for war to happen because the damage it's always causing is high.

bro, best believe that if you're in a war-torn country with no guarantee of survival, each day that you're alive and kicking is worth more than any amount of bitcoin on the planet. And I'm confident enough to say that if the third world war ever comes within our lifetimes, I'd happily take care of myself and the family that I have, first and foremost before I even begin to give a shit about the money that I've accumulated so far. Lives are irreplaceable, money can be gained back if you know the formula for success. I don't mean to be so cliche about saying this but this is literally the reality of things and you should at least have some consideration about the situation you're in first, before you even care about your money.

The first think anyone should be worried about is survival because we all know what war does to the society and its people and property, because what is now the point of not been alive and having bitcoin. We all should not pray for war because what is even happening in the world now that most of this countries are trying to superiority and the problem is they don't put in consideration the lives of their citizens and that is what suppose to come first. You have made a great point life is not replaceable when you gone you gone. Their is no magic that can be performed to bring you back once you dead. So people place value on money than their lifes. And forgetting that money can always be earned.

War is not desirable under any circumstances, especially the war that is going on between the two countries of Israel and Palestine, I am touched. In war nothing is more precious than human life, Bitcoin wallet seems to be of no importance to any war victim. I have not yet been exposed to any of the horrors of war. However, if a bitcoin investor dies in a war or dies in a war, if his close relative knows the password or security of his wallet and if that close relative survives the war, he can recover his lost bitcoin.

To be honest, all this time I have also used email as a store for initial phrases by sending from email to email as long as I have activated 2FA security. It is true that using steel plates or other physical objects will be very troublesome in a war situation, especially like the war in Palestine, of course writing phrases on plates will be very risky of being lost under the rubble of buildings, indeed steel plates are resistant to everything, but if they are buried in the ruins of buildings it will be difficult for us to find them. . There's nothing wrong with using a phrase on a steel plate, but it would be better if we used email too because it doesn't have a physical form, especially since email passwords are easier when the war is over.

In essence, keeping your wallet password is up to you, which makes it easier for you to access it again. Because sometimes the advice from many people may not be applicable to where we are.

One should keep their password save in not only a single place but they should use numerous locations where their password and seed phrase will be save because once you forget your password and also you don't have copy it to another server then I think it will be more difficult for you to recover that saved coins. Although one has no knowledge during war that what will happen next so everyone is just struggling to save their lives because life is sweeter than money. One should save their private information in soft as well as hard form because no one knows that what will happen next to their soft data and also their hard data can be lost but if you save it on multiple sources then there is a chance to recover your lost wallet again.

the coins won't go anywhere if we remember the seed phrase, so try to remember the 12 words of the seed phrase in our brain, don't write it down or take a photo. If in the middle of war we won't be saved, won't we even think about it, we will definitely save ourselves. and our families the importance of learning self custody

You have to be creative in times of war to store your keys safely somewhere you know it's not going to be destroyed. Keeping it with you all the time is a good idea. I think I would store my keys inside my wallet, within my documents, written as a poem or letter, that is, something with emotional meaning, to avoid suspicions by potential regulators or enemies who can ask for my documents at some point of the war.

Another idea is to just memorize it. It's not an impossible task, and considering how important it is, I think nobody would complain about making some effort to memorize their keys.

in a war, even if you’ve lost everything you can still be considered as lucky since you lived
A war leaves everyone with losses if it’s only your pc that broke down
your coins are still safe given that you remember your password i just have my password memorized i have not told anyone nor have i written it on anywhere

as for seed phrases write down and keep it close to you at all times be discreet with the way you write it but in the worst case scenario wherein you lose your wallet and your seed phrase i’m afraid there’s nothing else you can do but start again i know it might seem hopeless as i know every victims of wars feel like but one needs to keep going especially if they’ve given a chance to continue life

Well, apart from the options above, it seems that in Telegram there is also a Saved message menu which can be used as a storage mode, but don't lose the card number and that's the main requirement to be able to re-enter after the conflict is over. I think we can also save the data there.

However, I don't know yet how much the application can protect it so that it cannot be accessed by other people. Indeed, many warnings have been given, don't save important things online, whether the initial phrase or 2Fa key.

There is nothing you can do but acceptance and move on , because it is your fault not having back up
of your Phrases outside your computer as we knew that computers are always prone to any danger, even
water can make your computer have in trouble so the best way is to never rely in your PC to keep your phrases
and password safe .
try also to consider using back up that  can easily be handled once there is War or similar catastropy happens and if you don't know
how to handle that then you should never invest and hold bitcoin.

Actually memorizing it is the best choice, although it is not as easy as it is said, but if we try, I think nothing is impossible.
That's how it should be, keeping the private key always with us under any circumstances. So besides me keeping it in a very safe place in some places, keeping it in your wallet is also a good option.
And I also plan to engrave my personal wallet on a small steel plate and wear it as a necklace because that way my personal wallet is always with me. And that's another option besides me storing it in a place that is safe from anything, and depending on the type of dangerous condition and I will anticipate if there are signs.

well yeah.. very nice ideas.. in the end, The remembrance is the most important thing to keep being strong.
Let me share my idea;
So far I use two tricks to save all my seed phrase and passwords and other important digital privacy/secret;
1. I use email to wrote them down the email draft, and save them there.
2. I use Twitter to wrote them down on the Tweet draft, and save them there.

The key to get back there is the email, the twitter username and a password that I will never forget, or a password that is related myself like my birthday or my mother's nickname. I think this way make me easy to access whenever I want without needing the same device, without worrying of losing it.
and remember, always give two options of acces to everything, just in case one of them has difficulty to access.

This is the worst way to save seed phrase I have ever seen. What if your account or email get hacked? We always suggest others not to store your private key/seed phrase online. You can do it if you use any kind of encryption like I said in my previous posts. You have to use sevral layers of security to protect them.


LOL. You are worst at privacy. Never share such confidential information online. No one wanted to know what did you used as your password. Imagine someone from your friends see this post.

It's a shame that I find it difficult to memorize so much, but now I save it on Google Drive's private key, and of course I back it up in notes that I hide, but don't write it on paper, like writing on a steel plate that you have worked on. of the many options, I think the safest is to memorize it, because only we know, but for forgetful people it is difficult, so they need help to store it.

In some circumstances, especially in conflict or war situations, it's best to have a prhase with us all the time. We don't know what will happen to our homes in times of war, and frankly we don't know what will happen to us either, unless we are in a safe zone.
But I didn't think of carrying it with me or writing it on a piece of paper, because that would be risky too, as it's easy to damage. Memorizing it is a good option too, but make sure you never forget what you've memorized, because in difficult situations, in my experience it's very difficult to remember what you've memorized.

There is nothing you can do if you are not conscious enough to keep your wallet seed phrase in a hardware wallet or in something that you can always carry on. At first, it is bad practice to keep your PK or recovery phase only on a computer or laptop. You should keep it in a hardware wallet, or at least in a pen drive if you cannot afford a hardware wallet. You can still lose your hardware wallet or pendrive but the chance of not being lost in a war zone is higher. You can make a tattoo of the seed phrase on different part of your body though this sounds funny in an extreme place like war zone it is not a bad idea because your intention is to keep your wallet secure no matter what.

It's unlikely that a good way to store the private keys to our cryptocurrency wallets is to keep them with us in a war zone. In this case, there are also many options for how we can lose them. It would probably be the best option to send them to your relatives or good friends in a safe zone. But everywhere has its risks. Apparently, there are simply no completely safe options.