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Title: Boycotting iSrAEl's product? think again.
Post by: Despairo on November 14, 2023, 07:21:27 AM
https://imgvb.com/images/2023/11/14/7d5c7b5a18fe16e0209bdb5dae9d79ff.png
https://currentaffairs.adda247.com/boycott-israel-products-list-2023/

There are many organizations and people in Asia are boycotting Israel's product because they're stand with Palestine. But I see it's really wrong because they mixed up both Western brands and Israel brands as they boycotting brands like: McDonald, Fanta, Garnier, Nestea, Starbucks etc. I'm not sure what's their reason to do that, but I take McDonald as the example, they boycotting McDonald because McDonald's franchise in Israel is supporting Israel.

https://imgvb.com/images/2023/11/14/3be79942c24dd5ba73b3390dfdfcb818.png
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/mcdonalds-owners-fight-over-support-for-israel/ar-AA1jgQRE

They forget if it's a franchise, it's not the McDonald's headquarter is supporting Israel. The franchise in other country has no relation with Israel, yet people boycott them. This can give effect to their own economy because the franchise will not make money to pay the employees, resulting salary cut or get fired, unemployment rate will increase.

AFAIK there's only one brand (https://thewaltdisneycompany.com/the-walt-disney-company-donates-to-support-humanitarian-relief-following-terrorist-attacks-in-israel-2/), that clearly supporting Israel, after all it's your choice to boycott them or not.

It's really not make sense to boycott franchise's product, if you want to boycott Israel's product, here are their brands https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Israeli_brands

If you want to support Palestine, find the trusted charity in your respective country and make a donation on there.

Think smarter, don't ruin the economy in your country because of sUppOrTInG PaLEStinE by doing that.


Title: Re: Boycotting iSrAEl's product? think again.
Post by: NotATether on November 14, 2023, 07:35:52 AM
LOL. I see like almost 5 Nestle brands in that picture.

Nestle has done far worse things than picking sides in any particular war, and people have been boycotting them for decades, but the blood-thirsty company continues to buy up other businesses and hurt more people by making things prohibitively expensive for them.


Title: Re: Boycotting iSrAEl's product? think again.
Post by: pinggoki on November 14, 2023, 07:37:20 AM
If you know that the company completely standa with Israel then you don't have to ask yourself if you have to boycott them or not, there's only one answer to that, if your military is killing children and bombing hospitals because you thought that the Hamas is hiding there then you know that there's something wrong with that company supporting that country as they like to call themselves. Also, there's nothing wrong with mistakenly boycotting a company, that just makes them speak on the issue so the boycotts will stop, if McDonald's want to stop the boycotts, they just got to take sides.
LOL. I see like almost 5 Nestle brands in that picture.

Nestle has done far worse things than picking sides in any particular war, and people have been boycotting them for decades, but the blood-thirsty company continues to buy up other businesses and hurt more people by making things prohibitively expensive for them.
To be honest, I want to see the CEO of Nestle die in a horrible way, that company is the most evil company there together with BlackRock, Vanguard, Raytheon and Lockheed Martin.


Title: Re: Boycotting iSrAEl's product? think again.
Post by: karabiber on November 14, 2023, 08:30:35 AM
In the country where I live, there are similar things. People have gone into herd psychology and identify most western brands with Israel. It is dangerous when people get into a boycott culture without doing research. Almost all western companies are multinational corporations and they usually work with local producers.

The important point here is that societies that are dependent on western products do not realize that they are actually negatively affecting their own economic situation while boycotting. For those living in countries that do not have a production-based economy and are import substituting, boycotting has negative consequences. Boycotting is about raising awareness, but the economic situation of the country should be taken into account when deciding to boycott.


Title: Re: Boycotting iSrAEl's product? think again.
Post by: icalical on November 14, 2023, 08:36:23 AM
I don't really join the boycotting things because I rarely buy any of those product that people claimed to be supporting Israel either, so theres nothing really a different for me. But in general the boycotting is also happening in my country, and this boycott push McD Indonesia to send aids to Palestine. The people here is also divided between the ones who understand the concept franchising and the other who doesn't just like OP said.

Tho in my opinion, on the other side this is a good time for a local brand to raise and proof that they can be an alternative for those big brands.


Title: Re: Boycotting iSrAEl's product? think again.
Post by: Yogee on November 14, 2023, 09:01:14 AM
I've seen local boycotting of products due to the company's political stance or their endorser but I've never seen one on an international level until this post. I guess this is a regular citizen's version of Government sanctions.

[...]Think smarter, don't ruin the economy in your country because of sUppOrTInG PaLEStinE by doing that.
It's these private companies that should think smarter. I'm pretty sure they understand that we are now at the cancel culture age but they still expressed their support anyway instead of remaining neutral.
Those who would boycott may stop buying these brands but they will still spend their money elsewhere so not much problem with that. The issue is that there may be a few hundreds or thousands of employees that may be affected in case these franchises go bankrupt.


Title: Re: Boycotting iSrAEl's product? think again.
Post by: Jatiluhung on November 14, 2023, 09:30:51 AM
Actually I am also quite curious about what is happening in other countries regarding the same thing regarding boycotting brands or products that originate from the countries mentioned or that support those countries. I personally may not have participated in boycotts or anything like this. but here too many people have carried out the boycott. And I think everyone is free to make a choice. So being on any side is every individual's right.

Initially, this boycott was not widely discussed. But in the last week it seems that this boycott has become more serious. So when I see a product at the Super Market, it usually always has a lot of interest. It turns out that a few days ago I saw that this product was rarely interested in it. There are even several shops that have also stopped providing the boycotted products. At first I thought this only happened in the country where I work. But i thought is happen too in another country. What is certain is that I also hope that peace can return and the war can end as soon as possible.


Title: Re: Boycotting iSrAEl's product? think again.
Post by: michellee on November 14, 2023, 10:10:12 AM
This boycott problem seems to be widespread. Actually, there is a big impact behind the boycott. Now let's think about it if people from many countries boycott those products. The companies for each of these products will close after the company is no longer able to run its business well due to boycotts in each country.

After a company closes its business, thousands of employees who work at that company will experience the impact. They can no longer work as usual and this will clearly increase the number of unemployed in each country. And when there are more unemployed people in each country, crime rates will probably increase as people try to earn money to survive.

Meanwhile, they have difficulty finding work because of limited job opportunities. And they can only keep trying to find work so they can earn money to meet their daily needs. The government may need to find a solution for the people affected by this boycott.

That's just the problem of increasing the number of unemployed if the respective product companies close their business. There may be more problems that arise. It is difficult if there are interests from each political elite who want to achieve their targets.


Title: Re: Boycotting iSrAEl's product? think again.
Post by: Majestic-milf on November 14, 2023, 10:36:23 AM
This boycott problem seems to be widespread. Actually, there is a big impact behind the boycott. Now let's think about it if people from many countries boycott those products. The companies for each of these products will close after the company is no longer able to run its business well due to boycotts in each country.

After a company closes its business, thousands of employees who work at that company will experience the impact. They can no longer work as usual and this will clearly increase the number of unemployed in each country. And when there are more unemployed people in each country, crime rates will probably increase as people try to earn money to survive.

Meanwhile, they have difficulty finding work because of limited job opportunities. And they can only keep trying to find work so they can earn money to meet their daily needs. The government may need to find a solution for the people affected by this boycott.

That's just the problem of increasing the number of unemployed if the respective product companies close their business. There may be more problems that arise. It is difficult if there are interests from each political elite who want to achieve their targets.
This will cause a huge impact on the economy of the country and these businesses will have no other choice but to move elsewhere but do you think the Israeli government will be bothered about it? Don't you think they may have prepared for such an impact because if we should take an example from Russia, I'm certain they would have thought of a better way to avoid these situation in the first place.
Because of this war, more companies are being targeted and I read somewhere that Netflix is being pressured as a result. The US have also being criticized over the issue of encouraging boycott during Russia's invasion but are not doing same with Israel.
 I just feel that the more American companies are being boycotted, it will send a message to what is happening in Israel.


Title: Re: Boycotting iSrAEl's product? think again.
Post by: Ucy on November 14, 2023, 10:36:48 AM
Just boycott all the evil or bad quality products people produce, especially those linked to the conflict, and you will be fine. Company owners or workers who are blind/bad enough to produce things that are of poor quality will likely not see clearly enough to make the right judgment on the issue between the two societies. Boycotting the producers should help prevent them from contributing more problems to the conflict. We need people who understand the issue well enough to resolve it with good solutions both sides won't be able to find fault in...which means the problem solvers must be unbiased.


Title: Re: Boycotting iSrAEl's product? think again.
Post by: slapper on November 14, 2023, 11:04:06 AM
Boycotting is complex

First, these boycotts' mix of Western and Israeli brands is disastrous. It demonstrates ignorance of worldwide franchises. McDonald's is a franchise model. McDonald's is a separate entity in each country. Every McDonald's worldwide doesn't support Israel like the Israeli franchise. Understanding this difference is important.

Boycotting franchises like McDonald's in your own country can backfire economically. We're looking at potential job losses, reduced consumer spending, and a negative impact on local suppliers. The domino effect might hurt the economy.

Sometimes, these boycotts happen because of customer pressure. A tough place for enterprises. They must satisfy customers while keeping their business strategy. A fragile balance.


Title: Re: Boycotting iSrAEl's product? think again.
Post by: Moneyprism on November 14, 2023, 11:52:13 AM
My cousin works at Starbucks but he has had his working hours reduced because visitors to Starbucks have decreased drastically since the boycott was carried out by people.

To be honest, on the one hand, I feel sorry for him, but what is currently people doing (the boycott) is the best thing to stop the madness of war. what is being done by Israel towards Palestine, humanity remains above all even though we will see many people who will be unemployed.


Title: Re: Boycotting iSrAEl's product? think again.
Post by: Sithara007 on November 14, 2023, 12:23:05 PM
This is just ridiculous. If people want to boycott Israeli products, then they can target items such as wines from the Psagot Winery (grown by West Bank settlers) and Qumranet (software company founded by Benny Schnaider, headquartered in Raanana, Israel). Including brands such as Starbucks and McDonald's, just because they don't want to pick a side in the ongoing conflict is outright ridiculous. This is not going to achieve anything. If you push too hard, then these brands will just shut down their businesses in Muslim nations and a lot of people are going to lose their jobs.


Title: Re: Boycotting iSrAEl's product? think again.
Post by: DrBeer on November 14, 2023, 01:38:01 PM
....
If you want to support Palestine, find the trusted charity in your respective country and make a donation on there.
....

Help Palestine by not buying Israeli goods ?
 
Are you sure that by not buying Israeli goods you are helping the people of Palestine?
Maybe "brotherly nations" will help them, with money, housing, jobs... ? ? Like Israel helped by giving more than 150,000 jobs to the people of Gaza.
 
By the way, since November 1947 Palestine had the same chances for development as Israel. But then Egypt, Syria and Jordan ... seized the land of Palestine and did nothing.  Nothing good. Why didn't they help, build houses, water supply, factories and plants? And why seize it?

Calling not to buy Israeli goods, let's also remember how neighboring Arab countries have been categorically refusing to accept refugees from Gaza for many years. Can you tell me why? I'll give you a hint. Jordan, 1970.

And of course, let's not buy Israeli goods, because when Hamas leaders were asked whether you want to help the population of the Gaza Strip with money, food, medicine, the answer was very simple - it's their problem, and we are at war with Israel.

So boycotting Israeli brands will definitely help the Palestinian people? :)


Title: Re: Boycotting iSrAEl's product? think again.
Post by: bbigtart on November 14, 2023, 02:09:25 PM
With the current war being very sadistic, this is no longer war and is indeed genocide, so it is very natural that the response of many countries is to ban products produced by colonial countries as a form of protest. or a form of support for Palestine due to the atrocities committed by Israel. .

My opinion about the good action of this product is good if taken from the positive side. Because this is an opportunity for local products to compete. Incidentally, in my country there are many local products that cannot compete with Israeli products. With the presence of Baikot actions like this, many MSMEs are taking advantage of this momentum to work hard productively with products native to their own country with innovation and creativity. Thus increasing local products rather than enriching other countries.


Title: Re: Boycotting iSrAEl's product? think again.
Post by: kingvirtus09 on November 14, 2023, 02:41:21 PM
No matter what kind of boycott is done there in Israel, I don't think it will work. It is a country chosen by God; for a long time, there has been fighting against Israel; even in the war, they cooperated with it, but they could not subjugate it. That is surprising.

That's why it's a boycott, and it's also not a good thing to do, and I'm sure that boycotting is going nowhere. This is all I can say about that. Then it is still another decision of the users of those products that will be followed, of course.


Title: Re: Boycotting iSrAEl's product? think again.
Post by: Lucius on November 14, 2023, 03:47:35 PM
There are many organizations and people in Asia are boycotting Israel's product because they're stand with Palestine. But I see it's really wrong because they mixed up both Western brands and Israel brands as they boycotting brands like: McDonald, Fanta, Garnier, Nestea, Starbucks etc. I'm not sure what's their reason to do that, but I take McDonald as the example, they boycotting McDonald because McDonald's franchise in Israel is supporting Israel.

Maybe people think in a different way that you didn't take into account, which is that some of the companies you listed are actually US companies, and it is well known to everyone that the US is the biggest ally of Israel, whose weapons actually kill innocent civilians.

Think smarter, don't ruin the economy in your country because of sUppOrTInG PaLEStinE by doing that.

Actually, what kind of country is it that depends on how many hamburgers or sodas some company will sell? From a health perspective, it would be better if there were no fast food chains or carbonated drinks, so if someone in support of the civilians in Palestine stops buying such food and drinks, it will do good for their health. In addition, the people who work as ordinary workers in all these companies are certainly not happy with their jobs and their salaries.



My personal position is that I will never support anyone who kills civilians in such a reckless and barbaric way, whether it is Hamas, Israel or Russia - a crime is a crime and there is no need to look for justifications for why someone did it.



Title: Re: Boycotting iSrAEl's product? think again.
Post by: avikz on November 14, 2023, 03:56:00 PM
Do not make Asia synonymous with Muslim countries. I know some Muslim countries are definitely trying to boycott Israel's products but the majority of Asia is different than them. So editing your thread will help to be on the point.

HAMAS has gone into a suicide mission and the price is being paid by those who has no relation with the war. This is very much unfortunate but looking at Israel's mood, it's not going to stop anytime soon. If Iran tries to become the big daddy of the Middle East, they will be screwed by US.

Such kind of product boycott will keep on happening. But the majority of the world stands with Israel. So I do not see a big impact here. Some countries will definitely try to curb their usage of Israel's products but they are only a minority.


Title: Re: Boycotting iSrAEl's product? think again.
Post by: shield132 on November 14, 2023, 06:16:58 PM
These aren't Israeli companies and it's stupid to boycott them but it's good to boycott some of them like Nestle.

LOL. I see like almost 5 Nestle brands in that picture.

Nestle has done far worse things than picking sides in any particular war, and people have been boycotting them for decades, but the blood-thirsty company continues to buy up other businesses and hurt more people by making things prohibitively expensive for them.
Nestle is an evil company that has been doing genocides for years. They lied to mothers in Africa that Neste's formula was better than their breast milk, gave away Nestle's product for free for a period of time that was enough to stop lactation in mothers and then increased product price. They made mothers dependent on their products. Absolutely everyone should boycott them but people rarely know this dark side of Nestle and many of them don't really care. Nestle also owns many companies in many categories and buys very successful companies. People buys and owns companies that produce very high quality products and have no competitors in quality and production. It's getting very hard to boycott nestle.


Title: Re: Boycotting iSrAEl's product? think again.
Post by: Captain Corporate on November 14, 2023, 06:33:32 PM
I am not saying I support it, but the logic is that, even if you are a Mcdonalds franchise in Oman that is supporting Gaza, that means you are paying a franchise fee to Mcdonalds headquarters, who do support Israel, so them making money indirectly means that they are going to pay to Mcdonalds headquarters who will send that money to Isreal. Plus, if it is peoples own money, as long as they do not disturb others, they can boycott and not purchase from those places. In my nation there are tons of boycotts too, and if you do not want to buy from certain company, you are free to do that, in Turkey most of these companies are owned by Qatar, not Israel, but the headquarters still send money to Israel so boycotting makes sense. Do not bother others who does use it, that's all I ask, if you do not want to purchase there, then that's fine, but let the ones who want to still continue purchasing do that, unfortunately there has been some distasteful boycott scenes where boycotters ended up trashing peoples purchases, that's evil, don't do that, but if you do not want to purchase, its your own money, you can decide who to buy from and who to not buy from, its your own decision.


Title: Re: Boycotting iSrAEl's product? think again.
Post by: bittraffic on November 14, 2023, 06:54:06 PM

To be honest, I want to see the CEO of Nestle die in a horrible way, that company is the most evil company there together with BlackRock, Vanguard, Raytheon and Lockheed Martin.

These companies are investing in both sides and countries that produce military ammo and weapons for war whoever wins, these companies win whichever wins.
It really shows which superpower leader of this world is up for peace and who is actually supporting the war. We could really stop this without having that boycott which is the same as sanctions that don't work.

Israel doesn't have gas and oil, if they are to sanction the country, it's the gas/oil that they need to stop sending to them. But then are we not also making them suffer if we boycott these products to them? The hate will only grow faster.


Title: Re: Boycotting iSrAEl's product? think again.
Post by: Fortify on November 14, 2023, 08:04:25 PM

They forget if it's a franchise, it's not the McDonald's headquarter is supporting Israel. The franchise in other country has no relation with Israel, yet people boycott them. This can give effect to their own economy because the franchise will not make money to pay the employees, resulting salary cut or get fired, unemployment rate will increase.

that clearly supporting Israel, after all it's your choice to boycott them or not.

It's really not make sense to boycott franchise's product, if you want to boycott Israel's product, here are their brands https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Israeli_brands

If you want to support Palestine, find the trusted charity in your respective country and make a donation on there.

Think smarter, don't ruin the economy in your country because of sUppOrTInG PaLEStinE by doing that.

Boycotting any of the brands in your infographic is pretty dumb, especially when you consider that their earnings from that country are pretty insignificant to their overall revenue each year. You're right, if you want to target some companies for some reason (few people actually remember all the things they are supposed to be mad about every day) then targeting Israeli companies is the only thing that makes sense. What Israel is doing is hurting a lot of civilians, however they faced a massacre conducted by Hamas recently and they then took away hostages - that is one of the most barbaric acts imaginable and nobody who supports Hamas should receive the slightest bit of sympathy. Give the hostages back, then I might start to care.


Title: Re: Boycotting iSrAEl's product? think again.
Post by: topbitcoin on November 14, 2023, 08:21:34 PM
The Asian continent is one of the regions with the largest population in the world, so calls for boycotts made by several organizations in several countries in the Asian region have a big impact on the sustainability of the products they are trying to boycott.
And this has become commonplace in the world of trade, economics and business. And in this case there are indeed several parties who are trying to take advantage of this situation to destroy their competitors. In the end, initially this was a war conflict between Palestine and Israel, but because there were calls for a boycott this gradually became a trade war between business competitors.

However, whether this call for a boycott is good or not, it is up to each person to respond to it. And here I think that calling for a boycott is not a good thing, because the brand they are trying to boycott is a company that already has branches in various countries, including countries on the Asian continent. By calling for a boycott, this could mean that some of their company branches will close due to lack of visitors and buyers, so it is likely that they will fire some of their workers. And in the end this can cause some people to lose their jobs and cause the number of unemployed to increase.


Title: Re: Boycotting iSrAEl's product? think again.
Post by: kawetsriyanto on November 14, 2023, 08:55:49 PM
This boycott problem seems to be widespread. Actually, there is a big impact behind the boycott. Now let's think about it if people from many countries boycott those products. The companies for each of these products will close after the company is no longer able to run its business well due to boycotts in each country.
Yep. There are more and more people who join the boycott of USA and Israel products. I don't think we have the ability to stop people from joining the boycott, it is their rights to buy or not buy certain products.

I don't think the companies will stop their business immediately, it should require for years to make significant impacts. If the companies seems to have no chance continuing their activities, I assume they will try to move to another business.

After a company closes its business, thousands of employees who work at that company will experience the impact. They can no longer work as usual and this will clearly increase the number of unemployed in each country. And when there are more unemployed people in each country, crime rates will probably increase as people try to earn money to survive.
Indeed. There will be many people who become jobless. But they must try to find new jobs earlier if it seems their current jobs won't last a long time after there is a massive boycott. They will have enough time to move to another job, the companies where they work now won't suddenly stop their activities.

It is difficult if there are interests from each political elite who want to achieve their targets.
I don't think it is about political issue, but it is about solidarity among people around the world.
People are aware that USA and Israel are killers or war criminals, they try to warn both countries by contributing on the massive boycott because it is the only thing that people can do. Well, not sure if it really brings a big impact for them, but I'm curious to see what's happening then.



Title: Re: Boycotting iSrAEl's product? think again.
Post by: Juse14 on November 14, 2023, 10:35:57 PM
The countries that boycott the most products from Israel are countries that are members of the Organization of Islamic Cooperation (OIC). which is the largest organization after the UN. And regarding calls for a boycott of Israeli products, this was again called for at the OIC Summit meeting in the past few days. And I really support this, because this is a form of their solidarity with Palestine, a fellow Islamic country, and this is also a form of their resistance to the colonization carried out by Israel on the Palestinian people.

And then why was Israel the one who colonized Palestine. However, it is not only Israeli products that are affected by the boycott, but also some Western products that are boycotted. This happened because people thought that most western countries supported Israel's colonization of Palestine, so their products were also boycotted..


Title: Re: Boycotting iSrAEl's product? think again.
Post by: pinggoki on November 15, 2023, 01:43:15 AM
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These companies are investing in both sides and countries that produce military ammo and weapons for war whoever wins, these companies win whichever wins.
It really shows which superpower leader of this world is up for peace and who is actually supporting the war. We could really stop this without having that boycott which is the same as sanctions that don't work.
There's actually a way that you can stop these companies from controlling and profiting from these wars and starting these wars, everyone should march to the streets and go to the offices of these evil corporations and drag the CEOs in the streets and give them the mob justice that they deserve, you might even be able to drag out the entire board if you're lucky, the decimation of the current controllers of these companies will actually be making a big difference because now they're scared of the people that they're trying to control because they know they will fight back now unlike back then. There's no one in these companies that I've mentioned and was mentioned in the OP that is supporting peace because peace don't make them money alone, they have to have those wars to make sure that there's a goal of peace and then they can sell their stuff to help achieve peace.


Title: Re: Boycotting iSrAEl's product? think again.
Post by: bayu7adi on November 15, 2023, 03:11:46 AM
Stopping trading with related companies, I don't think that's enough to truly halt the genocide in Palestine. I believe there are still many other sources of income supporting the needs of the Zionist war, such as mining, technology companies, and much more. That's why I say boycotting trading companies alone might only have less than a 15% impact on the funds going to the Zionist army.

I acknowledge that Islamic solidarity is quite good, but I feel they haven't truly united. There are still some Islamic countries cooperating with Palestine's enemies. In front of the camera, they show idealistic things, but behind the scenes, there's a lot of realism for the economy, which is more crucial than the war. Except for Turkey, I really appreciate the steps Erdogan has taken lately, but once again, the impact hasn't been significantly seen.


Title: Re: Boycotting iSrAEl's product? think again.
Post by: NewRanger on November 15, 2023, 03:19:09 AM
Banning Israeli product brands is one of the community's efforts so that fees from these products do not enter Israel, but whether by banning these products can solve the problem of war in the Middle East is not certain, but what we have to do is cut off international diplomatic relations if the country Israel did not stop its aggression against Palestine.

The final conclusion is that we need the unity of nations who care about this war and put pressure on several world institutional forums, so that countries in the world unite to overcome this war.

war occurs resulting in children and women becoming victims, and as stated in the UN convention, that if war occurs in a country, children and women must be protected. and all of them must need the help of anti-war countries.


Title: Re: Boycotting iSrAEl's product? think again.
Post by: Darker45 on November 15, 2023, 03:59:57 AM
They're clueless. And they have a misplaced sense of ethics or righteousness or whatever that is. Many people who are calling for this kind of crazy boycott are exactly the same people who argue that Palestinians are not Hamas and should, therefore, be spared from this violence. But it's the height of irony when, in response, they're calling a blanket boycott to certain products and companies.

First, it doesn't help their case. Second, if they're truly serious, they might end up not using their computers and their smart phones.


Title: Re: Boycotting iSrAEl's product? think again.
Post by: Alpha Marine on November 15, 2023, 07:03:57 AM
if McDonald's want to stop the boycotts, they just got to take sides.

Why do people have to take sides? Taking sides is what has fueled this war this long. Why do you think both sides always play the victim card? Because they want the public to think they're the one being attacked. Israel has successfully gotten the support of the public and that is why it can do whatever it's doing. Palestine has the support of the people which is why they can attack Israel. These are two people killing innocents, one is only doing it more than the other. So for that reason, we should support the one that has killed less? They're both terrorist groups to me and we can't pick the lesser evil to support.
If the whole world was against what both Israel and Palestine were doing to each other, I believe there would have been other ways to settle their differences.


To be honest, I want to see the CEO of Nestle die in a horrible way, that company is the most evil company there together with BlackRock, Vanguard, Raytheon and Lockheed Martin.

The thing about boycotting is that it never really works.
These companies are deeply rooted to the extent that all these would be forgotten in no time.
There was a time when a very detailed article filled with evidence showing how a cereal company is tied to the funding and money laundering of terrorist groups in Africa. The freelance investigative journalist who made that report is on the run today. He can't openly step foot into his country.
No media house or news channel, big or small reported that news.


Title: Re: Boycotting iSrAEl's product? think again.
Post by: Faisal2202 on November 15, 2023, 07:32:21 AM
You started a good topic, and we should really have the basic knowledge to differentiate between Israeli products and other products. Because if we start to boycott other products, the unemployment rate will increase, but will it not increase if we boycott Israeli products? Yeah, it will increase, but the question here is not about the unemployment rates, the question is about the 4,400+ children that Israel has murdered till now. So, I can't use their products or of those who support them, although I know it's so hard for us to boycott all of them because we are so dependent on them. And we did not realize that, but this boycott made industries and consumers realize that we should shift to our local products.

We should use our own local brands, and it's time to leave international brands, therefore, if the employees are fired from this business, then on the other hand, employees will be hired in local companies too. So don't think unemployment will increase, instead, it will decrease. And if people tend to use local products, the GDP of the country will increase. It's best for our own country, just like China.

For example, Fiverr is an Israeli product, and I have seen many people leave using it, even my teacher, who made around 1 million dollars from his account, which had the tag of best seller. He has deactivated his account and said goodbye to Fiverr for the best of Palestine. Who can make that big sacrifice because that account was an empire? But this act encourages many others, and they start using local freelancing platforms from which they can earn even more.


Title: Re: Boycotting iSrAEl's product? think again.
Post by: DrBeer on November 15, 2023, 10:33:07 AM
Stopping trading with related companies, I don't think that's enough to truly halt the genocide in Palestine. I believe there are still many other sources of income supporting the needs of the Zionist war, such as mining, technology companies, and much more. That's why I say boycotting trading companies alone might only have less than a 15% impact on the funds going to the Zionist army.

I acknowledge that Islamic solidarity is quite good, but I feel they haven't truly united. There are still some Islamic countries cooperating with Palestine's enemies. In front of the camera, they show idealistic things, but behind the scenes, there's a lot of realism for the economy, which is more crucial than the war. Except for Turkey, I really appreciate the steps Erdogan has taken lately, but once again, the impact hasn't been significantly seen.


And you deny causation for what reason ? :) Or history?
For example, you forget that the retaliatory strike on Gaza is the consequence of a terrorist attack on Israel from Gaza and by the hands of Gaza residents.
Second, you forget that the Arab world considers the Palestinians as pariahs. And does not offer any Palestinian to come to them ! Palestinians go to live comfortably in the EU, but not to their "brotherly countries". Do you know why?  Because the "brotherly countries" remember very well "Black September" in 1970.
Saudi Arabia today officially actually forbids even the mention of "Palestine"... officially. Can you tell me the reasons ?
By the way - where can I read your articles condemning the "genocide of Palestine" by Egypt and its supporters in the recent past ?  Or is it not an interesting topic ? 

By the way - by supporting the boycott of Israeli goods...you are also taking away jobs and income from Gazans who have been given the opportunity by Israel to work in Israel in Israeli companies, earn good money, and support their families !  :)






Title: Re: Boycotting iSrAEl's product? think again.
Post by: kryptqnick on November 15, 2023, 11:56:16 AM
Boycotting brands can be a tricky thing. Some companies follow a mixed strategy of supporting enemy sides, some international companies buy out local brands which poses difficult boycotting situations.
I know that from personal experience, as it's common in Ukraine to boycott companies that work in Russia. I try to follow the same strategy, and there are very convenient tools like bots that monitor involvement of companies in Russia. But there are Ukrainian brands that were acquired by international companies like Nestlé which do business in Russia, and that means putting local products on the boycott lists. There are also some things which are really hard to buy if you follow boycott. For example, I once couldn't find a single toothpaste brand at a healthcare/beauty care shop which was not on the boycott list.
I don't know if the situation is as tricky with Israel and Palestine, but it might be.


Title: Re: Boycotting iSrAEl's product? think again.
Post by: lombok on November 15, 2023, 12:21:30 PM

To be honest, I want to see the CEO of Nestle die in a horrible way, that company is the most evil company there together with BlackRock, Vanguard, Raytheon and Lockheed Martin.

These companies are investing in both sides and countries that produce military ammo and weapons for war whoever wins, these companies win whichever wins.
It really shows which superpower leader of this world is up for peace and who is actually supporting the war. We could really stop this without having that boycott which is the same as sanctions that don't work.

Israel doesn't have gas and oil, if they are to sanction the country, it's the gas/oil that they need to stop sending to them. But then are we not also making them suffer if we boycott these products to them? The hate will only grow faster.

If we stop oil and gas, America will definitely be at the forefront as a supplier. America's weapons, missiles and soldiers will definitely supply them. Why does America really support Israel, because Israel is the only one capable of destroying the Arabian plains with its military technology. Arabia/UAE as an oil and gas producing country also continues to sell to Israel, if Arabia stops sending oil and gas I am sure Israel will also start carrying out attacks on Arabia. Conflict will continue and spread.

Since Biden became president, Israel has been very inhumane.


Title: Re: Boycotting iSrAEl's product? think again.
Post by: kingvirtus09 on November 15, 2023, 02:13:49 PM
It's not a good idea to boycott those products, actually, because those products are actually beneficial to the whole world. And then there are also many employees who are given factories too.

That means why would you boycott those products if in your own country the majority of people where you live are benefiting from them, including government officials and rich people all over the world?


Title: Re: Boycotting iSrAEl's product? think again.
Post by: SaepulMT on November 15, 2023, 02:27:15 PM
Boycott is one of our supports for Palestine. Israel's attacks on Gaza have shown no signs of abating. This has encouraged the emergence of various social movements in various parts of the world as a form of sympathy for the victims. One form of solidarity action is in the form of boycotting or not buying products from companies suspected of being affiliated with Israel. A number of goods and services deemed to support the Israeli camp were targeted for boycotts. The boycott is not forever but can be stopped if Israel has implemented a ceasefire in Gaza.


Title: Re: Boycotting iSrAEl's product? think again.
Post by: YOSHIE on November 15, 2023, 03:04:54 PM
Think smarter, don't ruin the economy in your country because of sUppOrTInG PaLEStinE by doing that.
Recently, I often see actions boycotting products originating from Israel, so I ask myself.
1. Does the product all come from Israel or only some parts of the product?
If it is indeed a product from Israel, what evidence can be held accountable, perhaps the war between Palestine vs. Israel is made a scapegoat because of competition.
2. I see that 100% of those working at the product company are local people.
3. So I see again that this product is commonly used by the public, so what are the alternative products to use besides the product that OP said.
4. How much money is generated from the product tax, for Israel if it really comes from Israel.

In my opinion, to support Palestine, I think boycotting products will have little effect on Israel, on the contrary, the economy of the country where these products are distributed will be destroyed and there will also be a wave of dismissals and massive unemployment in that country.


Title: Re: Boycotting iSrAEl's product? think again.
Post by: ZAINmalik75 on November 15, 2023, 04:22:43 PM
You are right. Companies like McDonald's, Starbucks, etc. don't belong to Israel; instead, they are USA companies, but most of the Americans are boycotting them because the USA is also supporting Israel, and they are the ones who send ships full of food and weapons. Even I saw a video in which some protestors were trying to stop that massive ship from leaving.

This is all we can do at the moment to hurt their economy because they are earning a massive amount via these companies. I know we can't abandon all of their products, but we can at least try to leave some.

This boycott will also increase the growth of local products because those who have left the usage of these products are now using local products, which has increased sales, and in turn, the economy of the country is also increasing. I have seen many products that are not real, but still people are boycotting them because those products are from those countries that directly support Israel.


Title: Re: Boycotting iSrAEl's product? think again.
Post by: Hispo on November 15, 2023, 04:54:25 PM
You are right. Companies like McDonald's, Starbucks, etc. don't belong to Israel; instead, they are USA companies, but most of the Americans are boycotting them because the USA is also supporting Israel, and they are the ones who send ships full of food and weapons. Even I saw a video in which some protestors were trying to stop that massive ship from leaving.

This is all we can do at the moment to hurt their economy because they are earning a massive amount via these companies. I know we can't abandon all of their products, but we can at least try to leave some.

This boycott will also increase the growth of local products because those who have left the usage of these products are now using local products, which has increased sales, and in turn, the economy of the country is also increasing. I have seen many products that are not real, but still people are boycotting them because those products are from those countries that directly support Israel.

Applying a Boycott to companies based in the United States of America, while it is a valid form of protest, it would be very difficult to do and coordinate, since we would be talking about a huge conglomerate of brands, products and services who many people use in their daily life, without even noticing those are brands owned by shareholders in USA.
A national boycott would be easier in countries which are already under the pressure of sanctions, like Russia, Cuba or even Turkey, where sanctions have already pushed local businesses to thrive in order to replace those international brands which cannot longer operate in their jurisdiction. 

It would also take into consideration which brand have publicly stated their position on this conflict, by the way. Tho, I assume many of pro paslestinian protesters won't care, since all American companies pay for taxes.


Title: Re: Boycotting iSrAEl's product? think again.
Post by: red4slash on November 15, 2023, 05:42:58 PM

HAMAS has gone into a suicide mission and the price is being paid by those who has no relation with the war. This is very much unfortunate but looking at Israel's mood, it's not going to stop anytime soon. If Iran tries to become the big daddy of the Middle East, they will be screwed by US.

Such kind of product boycott will keep on happening. But the majority of the world stands with Israel. So I do not see a big impact here. Some countries will definitely try to curb their usage of Israel's products but they are only a minority.
I don't really agree with this because however if in the end Hamas commits suicide it is still indiscriminate to civilians who do not have the energy and strength for war including the massacre of children and women or perhaps the destruction of hospitals and places of worship it is an act of war crimes. The problem is Hamas and Israel so that it should refer to it instead of blindly carrying out attacks on the grounds of self-defence from attacks by slaughtering thousands of lives it makes no sense.
On the other hand, when saying the majority of countries support Israel in this case I think you are wrong because seeing from the current situation with many demonstrations everywhere it indicates that we as humans still have a conscience by not expecting genocide like this. The top officials of the country who have the advantage only support this but not the majority of people in a country because in the end we also have to realise that this is not a war but they (Israel) are committing genocide under the pretext of fighting Hamas.  On the issue of boycotts this is just a way from some people to make those who support the start of weaponry and finances to buy weapons can be reduced but the pros and cons are bound to happen so things like this depend on how we react to it regardless of whether it agrees or not all have their own opinions


Title: Re: Boycotting iSrAEl's product? think again.
Post by: taufik123 on November 15, 2023, 06:34:42 PM
-snip-
My personal position is that I will never support anyone who kills civilians in such a reckless and barbaric way, whether it is Hamas, Israel or Russia - a crime is a crime and there is no need to look for justifications for why someone did it.
But I still can't get over the people who support Zionists and say that those who are holding out in Gaza and Palestine are just animals, just rats.
And those who are pro-Israel are just playing victim endlessly as if they are suffering.
Whereas their savage soldiers kill children, women, doctors, and journalists and even bomb hospitals and schools.
These are clearly unforgivable war crimes.



No matter what kind of boycott is done there in Israel, I don't think it will work. It is a country chosen by God; for a long time, there has been fighting against Israel; even in the war, they cooperated with it, but they could not subjugate it. That is surprising.

That's why it's a boycott, and it's also not a good thing to do, and I'm sure that boycotting is going nowhere. This is all I can say about that. Then it is still another decision of the users of those products that will be followed, of course.
Are you sure about your statement?
Boycotts are not a good thing and don't work or have any effect?

Look at it now, the whole world is doing this boycott and you say it doesn't work.
Don't just look at it from a narrow perspective, you have to open your eyes widely to what the effect of the boycott really is.

Look at the impact of the boycott on stocks that support Israel, it's a highlight in my country and around the world.
Pro-Israel products have seen a drop in sales, the place is deserted and this is the effect of the boycott.
https://www.talkimg.com/images/2023/11/15/FXm5W.png (https://www.talkimg.com/image/FXm5W)



Title: Re: Boycotting iSrAEl's product? think again.
Post by: DrBeer on November 15, 2023, 07:43:39 PM
Boycott is one of our supports for Palestine. Israel's attacks on Gaza have shown no signs of abating. This has encouraged the emergence of various social movements in various parts of the world as a form of sympathy for the victims. One form of solidarity action is in the form of boycotting or not buying products from companies suspected of being affiliated with Israel. A number of goods and services deemed to support the Israeli camp were targeted for boycotts. The boycott is not forever but can be stopped if Israel has implemented a ceasefire in Gaza.

Israel attacked Gaza ?! Are you serious?  ???
Here is some FACT: "On October 7, 2023, the holiday of Simchat Torah, when Palestinian terrorist groups, of which Hamas is the largest, launched a large-scale invasion of Israel from the Gaza Strip, breaking the barrier between the Gaza Strip and Israel and infiltrating into nearby Israeli population centers and military installations. The invasion began in the early morning hours of October 7 with the launching of between 2,500 and 5,000 rockets into Israel from the Gaza Strip and the infiltration of more than 2,500 militants by land, sea and air into Israeli territory, including border kibbutzim and the city of Sderot. At least 1,400 Israelis were killed (including hundreds of music festival attendees). Civilians and soldiers were taken hostage, Israeli civilians were massacred, and there were incidents of sexual violence against Israeli women."

Your post assumes only 2 rationales: you are now here to put on a cheap Hamas propaganda show. Or were you born after October 7, 2023 ?  Question - which one did I guess ?


Title: Re: Boycotting iSrAEl's product? think again.
Post by: Cryptomultiplier on November 15, 2023, 07:59:09 PM
-snip-
My personal position is that I will never support anyone who kills civilians in such a reckless and barbaric way, whether it is Hamas, Israel or Russia - a crime is a crime and there is no need to look for justifications for why someone did it.
But I still can't get over the people who support Zionists and say that those who are holding out in Gaza and Palestine are just animals, just rats.
And those who are pro-Israel are just playing victim endlessly as if they are suffering.
Whereas their savage soldiers kill children, women, doctors, and journalists and even bomb hospitals and schools.
These are clearly unforgivable war crimes.



No matter what kind of boycott is done there in Israel, I don't think it will work. It is a country chosen by God; for a long time, there has been fighting against Israel; even in the war, they cooperated with it, but they could not subjugate it. That is surprising.

That's why it's a boycott, and it's also not a good thing to do, and I'm sure that boycotting is going nowhere. This is all I can say about that. Then it is still another decision of the users of those products that will be followed, of course.
Are you sure about your statement?
Boycotts are not a good thing and don't work or have any effect?

Look at it now, the whole world is doing this boycott and you say it doesn't work.
Don't just look at it from a narrow perspective, you have to open your eyes widely to what the effect of the boycott really is.

Look at the impact of the boycott on stocks that support Israel, it's a highlight in my country and around the world.
Pro-Israel products have seen a drop in sales, the place is deserted and this is the effect of the boycott.
https://www.talkimg.com/images/2023/11/15/FXm5W.png (https://www.talkimg.com/image/FXm5W)


I don't know how serious the boycott is, but I can assume that it may be due to the fact that the owners or franchise owners of these brands in the country of Israel have been  bigger Zionist franchise investors.

From what I have come to understand despite the war crimes accusations and evidence of inhumane reaction to war provocations and claims, this Israel issue should be looked at from the perspective that it is supposed to provoke a third world war, that is if more countries get involved to start by rejection of their franchise goods or exports and imported goods and services too.


Title: Re: Boycotting iSrAEl's product? think again.
Post by: Twentyonepaylots on November 15, 2023, 08:08:35 PM
No matter what kind of boycott is done there in Israel, I don't think it will work. It is a country chosen by God; for a long time, there has been fighting against Israel; even in the war, they cooperated with it, but they could not subjugate it. That is surprising.
Seems like you're coming sentimental from there. There's no point in arguing that Israel is chosen by God, how do you even say that? A country that has been at war for decades? A country whose citizens are dying a thousand times? A country who can go on with their people suffering for their war? how do you even thought about Israel being a country chosen by God?

Boycotting impacts may be seen as early as now but they would definitely feel it once it sink in on their economy. Maybe not now, but not forever.

That's why it's a boycott, and it's also not a good thing to do, and I'm sure that boycotting is going nowhere. This is all I can say about that. Then it is still another decision of the users of those products that will be followed, of course.
It's part of a protest against Israel, it's not a right thing to do I will agree on that, but that's how people voice out.


Title: Re: Boycotting iSrAEl's product? think again.
Post by: target on November 15, 2023, 08:11:21 PM
It is to provoke WW3. They do have the option to make Israel stop but they are even sending more ammo to Netanyahu. But you have to look at it like Iran is about to have nukes. Netanyahu has no option but to start doing this genocide and war to make more war and hit Iran because once Iran has enough warheads, Israel will also be wiped out. It's now or never for Israel.  

You as a homeowner in a village would rather have a good relationship with neighbors but Israel seems to have no good relationship with all his neighbors.


Title: Re: Boycotting iSrAEl's product? think again.
Post by: dothebeats on November 15, 2023, 11:19:10 PM
Boycotting won't do shit if nations are still funding Israel in order to continue what their doing. No matter how many products of Israel gets low sales and low volumes, they still have their own defense companies that continue to supply armaments, ammos, and whatnot to other countries. The world is just continuing to 'condemn' what is happening in the Gaza Strip, but no one is ballsy enough to actually start something to stop what's happening on that side of the globe.


Title: Re: Boycotting iSrAEl's product? think again.
Post by: TakeItEasy on November 15, 2023, 11:45:44 PM
but I take McDonald as the example, they boycotting McDonald because McDonald's franchise in Israel is supporting Israel.


As when the McDonald was with them then people raise voice against the McDonald even but later they printed some board and put it near their offices or restaurant in our country where it was written that they are not with Israel then again people start to use McDonald Restaurants etc. As this is common thing in the people when they are seeing some disaster and a type of war they just go for the right country.

Same in the case that a war has been started between the Israel and Palestine and we see that both of the countries are in troubles while I think Palestine are in more trouble due to the attack by Israel. So, they should make the thinks clear.


Title: Re: Boycotting iSrAEl's product? think again.
Post by: Rasa nanas on November 15, 2023, 11:49:35 PM
I hate talking about this because I am a Muslim and I live in a Muslim majority country. There are many of these products on the market today and those who sell them are my Muslim brothers, and apart from that the company also employs many of my Muslim brothers. I'm confused, if I boycott there will be a lot of traders losing because the products or goods they sell won't sell and of course there will be large-scale termination of work contracts.


Title: Re: Boycotting iSrAEl's product? think again.
Post by: romero121 on November 15, 2023, 11:59:12 PM
Boycotting won't do shit if nations are still funding Israel in order to continue what their doing. No matter how many products of Israel gets low sales and low volumes, they still have their own defense companies that continue to supply armaments, ammos, and whatnot to other countries. The world is just continuing to 'condemn' what is happening in the Gaza Strip, but no one is ballsy enough to actually start something to stop what's happening on that side of the globe.
Agreed, boycotting is for the self satisfaction of the Palastine Supporters. Just on boycotting things doesn't change as the funding is taking place through different channels. It is really bad that no countries have intervened into the problem and trying to get into a conclusion. It is very clear, how bad the people are getting affected out of the war. What is even more painful is the small kids losing their lives and getting affected. What they know, they're just at their playful days and what is happening around is really painful.


Title: Re: Boycotting iSrAEl's product? think again.
Post by: boyptc on November 16, 2023, 01:22:44 AM
This is politics on the next level, what people don't realize is the one to be condemned and boycotted who actually started this war.

We're all for anyone that's pro-peace but this is a complex status for both parties. Anyway, if you guys are happy in boycotting products or whatsoever, do it.

But it's not going to change any situation of the war that we're seeing with Israel and Palestine.


Title: Re: Boycotting iSrAEl's product? think again.
Post by: diminizio on November 16, 2023, 02:50:10 AM
I think they are too obsessed with "Free Palestine" I don't mind, everyone definitely likes peace and really doesn't like war even for me. but from the word boycott of Israeli products, this is not entirely going well, they make some of the basic ingredients used every day harm, and I feel more sorry for the employees who work at that company, not all of them are Israeli, they are all over the world to earn money for their living. if this company closes. what about the fate of the employee?


Title: Re: Boycotting iSrAEl's product? think again.
Post by: Xampeuu on November 16, 2023, 02:57:18 AM
Boycotting won't do shit if nations are still funding Israel in order to continue what their doing. No matter how many products of Israel gets low sales and low volumes, they still have their own defense companies that continue to supply armaments, ammos, and whatnot to other countries. The world is just continuing to 'condemn' what is happening in the Gaza Strip, but no one is ballsy enough to actually start something to stop what's happening on that side of the globe.
Agreed, boycotting is for the self satisfaction of the Palastine Supporters. Just on boycotting things doesn't change as the funding is taking place through different channels. It is really bad that no countries have intervened into the problem and trying to get into a conclusion. It is very clear, how bad the people are getting affected out of the war. What is even more painful is the small kids losing their lives and getting affected. What they know, they're just at their playful days and what is happening around is really painful.
The nature of the boycott is just an aspiration, but to cut off funding lines may not be significant, especially since there are so many goods that we need every day, but whatever the basic motive behind it, I myself condemn war, children and women are victims, of course it will be a sad story. continues to sound. However, someone must be able to start taking steps to stop it, especially since this is more complicated because many powerful countries support it. Hopefully the war will end soon and people can rebuild their lives


Title: Re: Boycotting iSrAEl's product? think again.
Post by: kojektea on November 16, 2023, 03:06:17 AM
I think if on a small scale this boycott is less effective. Unfortunately they didn't think long and hard. I am happier with the help coming to civilians in the war than this way of boycotting. If Israel is in the wrong, why is it that with a boycott like this, shops selling basic necessities are also empty even though they are not directly involved in the war and they are also civilians.


Title: Re: Boycotting iSrAEl's product? think again.
Post by: pinggoki on November 16, 2023, 03:14:40 AM
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Why do people have to take sides? Taking sides is what has fueled this war this long. Why do you think both sides always play the victim card? Because they want the public to think they're the one being attacked. Israel has successfully gotten the support of the public and that is why it can do whatever it's doing. Palestine has the support of the people which is why they can attack Israel. These are two people killing innocents, one is only doing it more than the other. So for that reason, we should support the one that has killed less? They're both terrorist groups to me and we can't pick the lesser evil to support.
If the whole world was against what both Israel and Palestine were doing to each other, I believe there would have been other ways to settle their differences.
So you're going to be just fine being neutral in all that is currently happening right now, while Israel is bombing hospitals that are full of children? What kind of bullshit logic is that? Supporting the one that has killed less? Did you think through what you're going to say regarding this issue because that's the most retarded logic that I have seen before, I don't think that it's even a utilitarian logic. You're saying that they're both terrorist group is because you are too stupid to check on the facts and too indifferent to care so you always try and make the safest play. You shouldn't be saying that you believe there are other ways to settle their differences because you sound hypocritical when you pair it with your previous statements. To answer your question on why to take sides, it's because there's still humanity out there that cares about this war ending unlike you who clearly doesn't have one.
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The thing about boycotting is that it never really works.
Yeah it won't work unless a lot of people are going to do it, the point of boycotting is that you condemn the actions of that company by having a lot of people attack their product and damaging their stocks. Now if there's not a lot of people that are doing that then the boycotts will never work.


Title: Re: Boycotting iSrAEl's product? think again.
Post by: pooya87 on November 16, 2023, 04:07:09 AM
It's all about the profit that these "franchises" pour into the pockets of the terrorist organization, Israel.
By boycotting said products people around the world are decreasing the amount of profit these companies make and consequently they decrease the amount of money the terrorist organization makes.
Not to mention that a lot of these companies in the list and a lot of others like Walt Disney! have been funding the organization to help them commit more crimes against humanity. So they have to see at least some consequence for supporting terrorism and genocide, even if it is a small revenue loss (although it may not be that small).

Let me emphasize something @Faisal2202 said but went unnoticed. Boycotting a lot of these products will help local economy. Many of these products aren't anything special that can not or is not produced locally. For example McDonald's isn't selling something high tech or special! It is burgers and fries. Something anyone else can do too, and in a much better quality. The revenue that these foreign companies lose goes to all the local ones. For example when people stop buying the low quality McDonald's burgers, they start going to other fast food restaurants and help those small businesses.


Title: Re: Boycotting iSrAEl's product? think again.
Post by: Yogee on November 16, 2023, 05:15:46 AM
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Let me emphasize something @Faisal2202 said but went unnoticed. Boycotting a lot of these products will help local economy. Many of these products aren't anything special that can not or is not produced locally. For example McDonald's isn't selling something high tech or special! It is burgers and fries. Something anyone else can do too, and in a much better quality. The revenue that these foreign companies lose goes to all the local ones. For example when people stop buying the low quality McDonald's burgers, they start going to other fast food restaurants and help those small businesses.
Definitely! I said it before that people will still spend - be it on a direct competitor or something else so the money will still flow. The only concern I have on this is that the local employees of these boycotted companies will also be affected negatively. If they cannot be absorbed by other companies then the local economy will probably take a hit too.


Title: Re: Boycotting iSrAEl's product? think again.
Post by: pooya87 on November 16, 2023, 05:34:07 AM
Definitely! I said it before that people will still spend - be it on a direct competitor or something else so the money will still flow. The only concern I have on this is that the local employees of these boycotted companies will also be affected negatively. If they cannot be absorbed by other companies then the local economy will probably take a hit too.
Any kind of transition is always hard but it is inevitable. The effects are in short term though. We've already seen such a transition in Russia when some businesses left (like McDonalds which was a $1.4 billion loss), the employees that lost their jobs in short term got absorbed into other jobs eventually and that ended up helping the domestic economy in the longer run (that is $1.4 billion that no longer exits the country to go into the pockets of a foreigner).


Title: Re: Boycotting iSrAEl's product? think again.
Post by: Despairo on November 16, 2023, 05:43:49 AM
First, it doesn't help their case. Second, if they're truly serious, they might end up not using their computers and their smart phones.
Correct, I don't see anyone boycotting Apple lol.

Let me emphasize something @Faisal2202 said but went unnoticed. Boycotting a lot of these products will help local economy. Many of these products aren't anything special that can not or is not produced locally. For example McDonald's isn't selling something high tech or special! It is burgers and fries. Something anyone else can do too, and in a much better quality. The revenue that these foreign companies lose goes to all the local ones. For example when people stop buying the low quality McDonald's burgers, they start going to other fast food restaurants and help those small businesses.
It's not easy as you as said.

Not every people want to spend more money for a same thing, more importantly not every country can survive with their own resources, many country still depend on import as they can get cheaper price or they completely don't have that due to many reasons e.g. bad weather, limited resource, lack of human resource etc.

Shifting from big business which can sell cheap stuff to local business which charge higher will make people become poor, I'm sure the criminal rate will increase as not every citizen agree to work hard to rebuilt their economy back.

I'd say only both China and Russia can live without depends on import, while the rest they don't have any choice.


Title: Re: Boycotting iSrAEl's product? think again.
Post by: Velemir Sava on November 16, 2023, 06:19:59 AM
I also support Palestine. Israel's aggression must be stopped immediately because the victims are children and women. Now. Apart from the boycott, boycotting it was beyond my expectations because the impact was very small.

The biggest thing is that the UN tells Israel to immediately stop its aggression and asks Israel's main supporting countries to refrain from sending support facilities.

I know this problem is also very complex and not as easy as turning your hand.


Title: Re: Boycotting iSrAEl's product? think again.
Post by: naira on November 16, 2023, 06:47:54 AM
I'm not an economist, but if the Boycott doesn't have any impact then why does an organization as big as the OIC, which consists of people who know more than us, voice their support? means there is a purpose and an impact produced. Like it or not, boycotts are a form of condemnation of how unjustified the killing of children, women and babies is. Doesn't war also have rules? If the murder of children, women and babies is carried out, it is clearly a war crime committed by Israel. When you are unable to provide assistance with energy, thoughts and wealth, then by boycotting anyone can do it. At least no matter how small the form of support we provide, it will be calculated.
Boycott is a peaceful and effective way without the need to shed blood. In my opinion, boycotting is everyone's right, whether you want to or not is up to you.
Is our boycott mandatory? certainly not
Did the Boycott bankrupt them? Of course not, but at least it makes them panic because of decreasing sales levels.
So what is the fate of the people who work at the company? return to local brands and help increase the country's economic income. I don't judge those who don't boycott because everyone's abilities are different. I agree that boycotts never solve problems, it's just that as someone who believes that partisanship will later be a witness that we will not remain silent when we see open murder happening before our eyes.

In conclusion, if you want to boycott, go ahead, if not, there is no need to convince those who are boycotting because they each have their own way of showing empathy as humans.


Title: Re: Boycotting iSrAEl's product? think again.
Post by: Ben Barubal on November 16, 2023, 08:41:16 AM

Look at it now, the whole world is doing this boycott and you say it doesn't work.
Don't just look at it from a narrow perspective, you have to open your eyes widely to what the effect of the boycott really is.

Look at the impact of the boycott on stocks that support Israel, it's a highlight in my country and around the world.
Pro-Israel products have seen a drop in sales, the place is deserted and this is the effect of the boycott.
https://www.talkimg.com/images/2023/11/15/FXm5W.png (https://www.talkimg.com/image/FXm5W)



  There may be an effect according to the illustration image that you have shown, but the question is do you think it will continue to fall to zero? I don't think so, it's only temporary, but I'm sure it will recover.

  Right now, we are experiencing something like that because at the moment it is still happening in the middle of the war and it is normal to have an effect, then the boycott depends on the size or small number of countries that support it.


Title: Re: Boycotting iSrAEl's product? think again.
Post by: DrBeer on November 16, 2023, 09:51:45 AM
It's very funny to read about "boycotting Israeli goods" and "Israeli crimes", from people who selectively forgot about October 7, 2022.
And also those who have forgotten about the destruction of Palestine by Arab, brotherly countries like Egypt, Syria and Jordan....
And also for some reason they do not pay attention to the fact that all the leaders of Hamas and other terrorist groups do not give a damn about the Palestinians, they are just a resource for a "reality show" to cover up their crimes and shift the blame to Israel. Which they openly declare :)
Yes, at the same time all the leaders of terrorist groups, and those who manipulate the unfortunate, who then commit terrorist acts in Israel and other countries, will not wear shahid belts, will not fight "against the Zionists", and will live in comfortable conditions, enjoying wealth, services, expensive things.... And between meals, they will write another "anti-Zionist appeal" and send hundreds of Palestinians and residents of other countries that are members of terrorist groups to their deaths. At the same time, the "leaders" will enjoy life here and now, in the real world, and not rush off to a fairy-tale afterlife to imaginary gurus :)
 
And another question - why don't you call for a boycott of Chinese goods? And more than a million of your brothers in faith and ancestry have been subjected to cruel repressions, torture, humiliation, persecution for many decades ? Or is it none of your business ?  Or ? :)


Title: Re: Boycotting iSrAEl's product? think again.
Post by: justdimin on November 16, 2023, 01:04:06 PM
And you deny causation for what reason ? :) Or history?
For example, you forget that the retaliatory strike on Gaza is the consequence of a terrorist attack on Israel from Gaza and by the hands of Gaza residents.
Second, you forget that the Arab world considers the Palestinians as pariahs. And does not offer any Palestinian to come to them ! Palestinians go to live comfortably in the EU, but not to their "brotherly countries". Do you know why?  Because the "brotherly countries" remember very well "Black September" in 1970.
Saudi Arabia today officially actually forbids even the mention of "Palestine"... officially. Can you tell me the reasons ?
By the way - where can I read your articles condemning the "genocide of Palestine" by Egypt and its supporters in the recent past ?  Or is it not an interesting topic ? 

By the way - by supporting the boycott of Israeli goods...you are also taking away jobs and income from Gazans who have been given the opportunity by Israel to work in Israel in Israeli companies, earn good money, and support their families !  :)
It's clear that there are innocent people dying during this war, from both sides, and both sides could cite the innocent killings as a reason for attack. I am sure that Hamas could show videos of Israeli soldiers killing even children, which is true, there are proven records of it, bombings of innocent filled places because there are some Hamas terrorist hiding there, killing many babies by Israeli airstrikes that's still true, I am not arguing against that. But Israel could easily show proof of Hamas attacking, murdering, raping, pillaging, and overall destroying whole towns as well, not like they are the good guys, why would any nation want to accept these people to their nation?

I mean I would not let anyone like that come to me, I rather Israelis to my nation, because unless you are a soldier who killed, then you should be fine, Palestine on the other hand is filled with terrorists who are not attacking with just murder in mind, they are literally acting out revenge, like you will find Israel bomb innocent people, but you won't find them raping anyone, there is a line you do not cross.


Title: Re: Boycotting iSrAEl's product? think again.
Post by: AicecreaME on November 16, 2023, 01:18:37 PM
Even though those brands have their own choices where to take side, this war doesn't make any sense at all.

I mean, both sides has their own reasons why they are fighting for their land, who the true owner really is, but this could be resolve in a way where no innocent lives are being taken. We just love to show how superior we are in a certain country, no matter what kind of countermeasures it is, continues bombing, killing people until they surrender, and conquer their land to widen up the kingdom.

I wouldn't doubt if one day human will be extinct, and mother earth would be left destroyed by exchanging nuclear bombs just to show who's the boss, what a pathetic society we live in.


Title: Re: Boycotting iSrAEl's product? think again.
Post by: DrBeer on November 16, 2023, 01:22:30 PM
And you deny causation for what reason ? :) Or history?
For example, you forget that the retaliatory strike on Gaza is the consequence of a terrorist attack on Israel from Gaza and by the hands of Gaza residents.
Second, you forget that the Arab world considers the Palestinians as pariahs. And does not offer any Palestinian to come to them ! Palestinians go to live comfortably in the EU, but not to their "brotherly countries". Do you know why?  Because the "brotherly countries" remember very well "Black September" in 1970.
Saudi Arabia today officially actually forbids even the mention of "Palestine"... officially. Can you tell me the reasons ?
By the way - where can I read your articles condemning the "genocide of Palestine" by Egypt and its supporters in the recent past ?  Or is it not an interesting topic ? 

By the way - by supporting the boycott of Israeli goods...you are also taking away jobs and income from Gazans who have been given the opportunity by Israel to work in Israel in Israeli companies, earn good money, and support their families !  :)
It's clear that there are innocent people dying during this war, from both sides, and both sides could cite the innocent killings as a reason for attack. I am sure that Hamas could show videos of Israeli soldiers killing even children, which is true, there are proven records of it, bombings of innocent filled places because there are some Hamas terrorist hiding there, killing many babies by Israeli airstrikes that's still true, I am not arguing against that. But Israel could easily show proof of Hamas attacking, murdering, raping, pillaging, and overall destroying whole towns as well, not like they are the good guys, why would any nation want to accept these people to their nation?

I mean I would not let anyone like that come to me, I rather Israelis to my nation, because unless you are a soldier who killed, then you should be fine, Palestine on the other hand is filled with terrorists who are not attacking with just murder in mind, they are literally acting out revenge, like you will find Israel bomb innocent people, but you won't find them raping anyone, there is a line you do not cross.

I will not publish photos and videos of Hamas sadism here, but these media materials are extremely easy to find! I would like to find and see this. At the same time, I ask you to pay attention to the same UN, which suddenly began to accuse Israel of unacceptable force in responding to terrorists, but at the same time surprisingly remained silent about the attack on Israel... Plus, the massive propaganda injections of Hamas clearly indicate that this is a purposeful information war.
At the same time, I would like to note that yes, it is stupid to deny that on the territory of Gaza, during the Israeli anti-terrorist operation, there are also civilian casualties. But let’s not forget about the FACTS, when Hamas militants simply forbade civilians to leave the streets and houses where a retaliatory strike from Israeli troops was expected. He forbade them at gunpoint, and using the civilian population as a human shield, and as a “mechanism” for generating a large number of civilian casualties, to then create media noise.
At the same time, he also does not forget that Hamas terrorists are hiding in residential buildings, hospitals, schools, making civilians their hostages...

And again, I will return to the subtle question - why there was such information noise in THIS situation, but everyone was silent when, for example, cities, districts, hospitals and schools were purposefully destroyed, for example in Syria, by Russian aviation. Moreover, they did not hide the fact that they were deliberately destroying these objects, without any military purpose. just terror and intimidation...


Title: Re: Boycotting iSrAEl's product? think again.
Post by: pooya87 on November 16, 2023, 01:45:26 PM
Not every people want to spend more money for a same thing,
Why more? In a lot of cases the products listed in the picture are a lot more expensive than their alternatives only because of their brand name.

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more importantly not every country can survive with their own resources, many country still depend on import as they can get cheaper price or they completely don't have that due to many reasons e.g. bad weather, limited resource, lack of human resource etc.
Good news is that there are countless competitors for a lot of "simple products" from burgers to shampoos and drinks that have at least same quality if not better as replacements. These countries can easily import those instead. I assure you that the alternative producers would love to expand their business in today's economic hardship and tight competition to kick their competitors out.

In some cases specially in Asia, the shipping cost would decrease too since the alternative is closer.

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I'd say only both China and Russia can live without depends on import, while the rest they don't have any choice.
Both of these countries import a ton of stuff. IIRC China imports is about $3 trillion annually.

from people who selectively forgot about October 7, 2022.
Nobody is forgetting October 7, it will go down in history and from a military perspective this operation will be taught in military schools around the world in the coming decades.

What is interesting is that Zionists insist on spreading the propaganda that everything started on October 7, while ignoring the 7 decades that led to this date. The genocide that Israeli terrorists have committed all these years is not forgotten by anybody. ;)


Title: Re: Boycotting iSrAEl's product? think again.
Post by: stompix on November 16, 2023, 01:49:36 PM
Look at it now, the whole world is doing this boycott and you say it doesn't work.
Don't just look at it from a narrow perspective, you have to open your eyes widely to what the effect of the boycott really is.

Look at the impact of the boycott on stocks that support Israel, it's a highlight in my country and around the world.
Pro-Israel products have seen a drop in sales, the place is deserted and this is the effect of the boycott.
https://www.talkimg.com/images/2023/11/15/FXm5W.png (https://www.talkimg.com/image/FXm5W)

And then there was morning and you woke up to reality, and reality looks like this

https://www.talkimg.com/images/2023/11/16/FQPkP.png
https://www.talkimg.com/images/2023/11/16/FQRBq.png
https://www.talkimg.com/images/2023/11/16/FQ6Zc.png
https://www.talkimg.com/images/2023/11/16/FQtdj.png


You know, I'm going to tell you a secret, for a boycott to work, you had to actually stop buying that stuff, so you had to be a client in the first place, a vegetarian boycotting Ribs24 ain't going to do much!

 There may be an effect according to the illustration image that you have shown, but the question is do you think it will continue to fall to zero? I don't think so, it's only temporary, but I'm sure it will recover.

Of couse it will, because in reality the only ones boycotting are people who didn't buy those products in the first place!







Title: Re: Boycotting iSrAEl's product? think again.
Post by: red4slash on November 16, 2023, 03:08:15 PM
Israel attacked Gaza ?! Are you serious?  ???
Here is some FACT: "On October 7, 2023, the holiday of Simchat Torah, when Palestinian terrorist groups, of which Hamas is the largest, launched a large-scale invasion of Israel from the Gaza Strip, breaking the barrier between the Gaza Strip and Israel and infiltrating into nearby Israeli population centers and military installations. The invasion began in the early morning hours of October 7 with the launching of between 2,500 and 5,000 rockets into Israel from the Gaza Strip and the infiltration of more than 2,500 militants by land, sea and air into Israeli territory, including border kibbutzim and the city of Sderot. At least 1,400 Israelis were killed (including hundreds of music festival attendees). Civilians and soldiers were taken hostage, Israeli civilians were massacred, and there were incidents of sexual violence against Israeli women."

The attack on 7 October was true but do you know the concept that there will be no smoke if there is no fire? You must be aware that when the attack on 7 October was carried out it happened because for decades the Palestinians have always been deprived of their freedom and of course let alone humans who have brains even if it is an ant class animal will bite if it continues to be disturbed although maybe you will not believe this because the world turns a blind eye when Zionists take various actions against civilians in Palestine even though there have been many lives that will only escape the media because they think Palestinians are real terrorists.

In addition, maybe you should also include another fact that the majority of civilians and soldiers who died during the 7 October attack were mostly killed by Israeli tanks and weapons themselves and that has been confirmed by Israel directly (If you read the news) and still open your eyes about this.

I am still very surprised why the excuse of self-defence is always promoted for the massacre of civilians which is clearly a genocide that is plastered in front of us all.


Title: Re: Boycotting iSrAEl's product? think again.
Post by: Raceonsucced on November 16, 2023, 03:22:03 PM
Here I do disagree if this is done. Because it will have an impact on the balance of the economy.
Especially in the lower middle class.
Don't you think that some of your neighbors and even relatives work at that company?


Title: Re: Boycotting iSrAEl's product? think again.
Post by: DrBeer on November 16, 2023, 03:36:36 PM
Israel attacked Gaza ?! Are you serious?  ???
Here is some FACT: "On October 7, 2023, the holiday of Simchat Torah, when Palestinian terrorist groups, of which Hamas is the largest, launched a large-scale invasion of Israel from the Gaza Strip, breaking the barrier between the Gaza Strip and Israel and infiltrating into nearby Israeli population centers and military installations. The invasion began in the early morning hours of October 7 with the launching of between 2,500 and 5,000 rockets into Israel from the Gaza Strip and the infiltration of more than 2,500 militants by land, sea and air into Israeli territory, including border kibbutzim and the city of Sderot. At least 1,400 Israelis were killed (including hundreds of music festival attendees). Civilians and soldiers were taken hostage, Israeli civilians were massacred, and there were incidents of sexual violence against Israeli women."

The attack on 7 October was true but do you know the concept that there will be no smoke if there is no fire? You must be aware that when the attack on 7 October was carried out it happened because for decades the Palestinians have always been deprived of their freedom and of course let alone humans who have brains even if it is an ant class animal will bite if it continues to be disturbed although maybe you will not believe this because the world turns a blind eye when Zionists take various actions against civilians in Palestine even though there have been many lives that will only escape the media because they think Palestinians are real terrorists.

In addition, maybe you should also include another fact that the majority of civilians and soldiers who died during the 7 October attack were mostly killed by Israeli tanks and weapons themselves and that has been confirmed by Israel directly (If you read the news) and still open your eyes about this.

I am still very surprised why the excuse of self-defence is always promoted for the massacre of civilians which is clearly a genocide that is plastered in front of us all.

For some reason, you are now trying to change the cause-and-effect relationship and deliberately forget part of the story.
And I can easily prove this! 1947. This year, two states were actually created - Israel and Palestine. Israel began to develop and build its country on its historical lands. At the same time, I will say right away that the history of these lands is very complex, and it passed from one empire to another many times. Different peoples came and left there. Israel began to revive its statehood. And Palestine had the same chance and opportunity. BUT... then a conflict began, which led to the fact that... Jordan occupied the lands that began to be called the West Bank, and Egypt - what is now called Gaza. Have you forgotten about this? Regarding Jordan and Egypt - as I understand it, you have no complaints or questions? Was everything good there?
Then there were several more attempts to destroy Israel by a group of countries, and they were actively supported by... one of the creators of Israel - the USSR.
Israel defeated its enemies, after which an active anti-Israeli hysteria and all sorts of attempts to cause harm to Israel began, which continues to this day. No, these countries did not help the population of Palestine, did not help them build their own state, build cities and build an economy. They do not have a goal to CREATE, they have a goal - to try to destroy Israel. And they used and are still using the Palestinians as a living force for the release of these plans. It was October 7 that became another attempt, at the hands of Hamas militants, with the support of the governments of several countries, to attack Israel again. For which they are now receiving a legal response. True, once again exposing the residents of Gaza to attack.

And another question completely on topic: why don’t the heads of terrorist countries renounce Western prosperity, boycott the dollar, expensive cars, expensive watches, clothes, iPhones and others? :)
PS I don’t even ask why they incite the Palestinians and others to “go to Israel”, but they themselves don’t go to “fight for Palestine”, but sit out in comfortable conditions, warm, cosy, well-fed and satisfied :)


Title: Re: Boycotting iSrAEl's product? think again.
Post by: Davian144 on November 16, 2023, 03:43:22 PM
With the current war being very sadistic, this is no longer war and is indeed genocide, so it is very natural that the response of many countries is to ban products produced by colonial countries as a form of protest. or a form of support for Palestine due to the atrocities committed by Israel. .
Product boycotting is one of the most appropriate actions for citizens and countries that still really love Palestine and do not support genocide, but in this case each of us must also be wise in responding to product boycotts. Don't throw away products that have been purchased immediately, but continue to use them as usual and don't buy more when they run out so that we can replace them with others. Because there are also many good products that do not support the genocide that is taking place in Palestine, namely in Gaza.

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My opinion about the good action of this product is good if taken from the positive side. Because this is an opportunity for local products to compete. Incidentally, in my country there are many local products that cannot compete with Israeli products. With the presence of Baikot actions like this, many MSMEs are taking advantage of this momentum to work hard productively with products native to their own country with innovation and creativity. Thus increasing local products rather than enriching other countries.
Maybe this will also happen in various other countries where local business owners will take advantage of this momentum to compete amidst the incessant boycott of products whose companies support the war. Because not all of the products being boycotted are from Israel, but there are also from other countries such as America and its member states, so this also needs to be looked at carefully. So that no one misunderstands the boycott that is currently underway, because this will really have a big impact on the country's economic sector.


Title: Re: Boycotting iSrAEl's product? think again.
Post by: Renampun on November 16, 2023, 04:27:53 PM
Here I do disagree if this is done. Because it will have an impact on the balance of the economy.
Especially in the lower middle class.
Don't you think that some of your neighbors and even relatives work at that company?

If I look at the boycott carried out by several communities around the world of products that reportedly support Israel, I am reminded of how the European Union boycotted products originating from Russia because of the war with Ukraine, in fact, the boycott was just an act that was too excessive, on the one hand, it was not at all effective in reducing the war between Palestine vs Israel, in fact, there will be more and more people in trouble because of the boycott of several products originating from America, in my city even KFC and McDonald's are giving 50% discounts on several types of food they provide, it is all to cover possible losses that they could receive.


Title: Re: Boycotting iSrAEl's product? think again.
Post by: moneystery on November 16, 2023, 04:57:46 PM
ulama in my country advise us not to buy products from these brands because even though they are franchises they still pay royalties to the core company and that will be used to finance their hq in israel and that will provide taxes to israel. by not buying these products, we can put pressure on these brands to give their statement that they fully support palestine and put pressure on israel that what they are doing is wrong. and it also gives a signal to israel that the power of muslims globally is strong and they should not mess with it.


Title: Re: Boycotting iSrAEl's product? think again.
Post by: electronicash on November 16, 2023, 05:15:25 PM
Israel attacked Gaza ?! Are you serious?  ???
Here is some FACT: "On October 7, 2023, the holiday of Simchat Torah, when Palestinian terrorist groups, of which Hamas is the largest, launched a large-scale invasion of Israel from the Gaza Strip, breaking the barrier between the Gaza Strip and Israel and infiltrating into nearby Israeli population centers and military installations. The invasion began in the early morning hours of October 7 with the launching of between 2,500 and 5,000 rockets into Israel from the Gaza Strip and the infiltration of more than 2,500 militants by land, sea and air into Israeli territory, including border kibbutzim and the city of Sderot. At least 1,400 Israelis were killed (including hundreds of music festival attendees). Civilians and soldiers were taken hostage, Israeli civilians were massacred, and there were incidents of sexual violence against Israeli women."

The attack on 7 October was true but do you know the concept that there will be no smoke if there is no fire? You must be aware that when the attack on 7 October was carried out it happened because for decades the Palestinians have always been deprived of their freedom and of course let alone humans who have brains even if it is an ant class animal will bite if it continues to be disturbed although maybe you will not believe this because the world turns a blind eye when Zionists take various actions against civilians in Palestine even though there have been many lives that will only escape the media because they think Palestinians are real terrorists.

In addition, maybe you should also include another fact that the majority of civilians and soldiers who died during the 7 October attack were mostly killed by Israeli tanks and weapons themselves and that has been confirmed by Israel directly (If you read the news) and still open your eyes about this.

I am still very surprised why the excuse of self-defence is always promoted for the massacre of civilians which is clearly a genocide that is plastered in front of us all.

For some reason, you are now trying to change the cause-and-effect relationship and deliberately forget part of the story.
And I can easily prove this! 1947. This year, two states were actually created - Israel and Palestine. Israel began to develop and build its country on its historical lands. At the same time, I will say right away that the history of these lands is very complex, and it passed from one empire to another many times. Different peoples came and left there. Israel began to revive its statehood. And Palestine had the same chance and opportunity. BUT... then a conflict began, which led to the fact that... Jordan occupied the lands that began to be called the West Bank, and Egypt - what is now called Gaza. Have you forgotten about this? Regarding Jordan and Egypt - as I understand it, you have no complaints or questions? Was everything good there?
Then there were several more attempts to destroy Israel by a group of countries, and they were actively supported by... one of the creators of Israel - the USSR.
Israel defeated its enemies, after which an active anti-Israeli hysteria and all sorts of attempts to cause harm to Israel began, which continues to this day. No, these countries did not help the population of Palestine, did not help them build their own state, build cities and build an economy. They do not have a goal to CREATE, they have a goal - to try to destroy Israel. And they used and are still using the Palestinians as a living force for the release of these plans. It was October 7 that became another attempt, at the hands of Hamas militants, with the support of the governments of several countries, to attack Israel again. For which they are now receiving a legal response. True, once again exposing the residents of Gaza to attack.

And another question completely on topic: why don’t the heads of terrorist countries renounce Western prosperity, boycott the dollar, expensive cars, expensive watches, clothes, iPhones and others? :)
PS I don’t even ask why they incite the Palestinians and others to “go to Israel”, but they themselves don’t go to “fight for Palestine”, but sit out in comfortable conditions, warm, cosy, well-fed and satisfied :)


who created these two states?
countries in the Middle East are as old as Egypt. countries that were already there long before Christ was born. suddenly someone created two states. :D
it doesn't really matter now because they are now established. they do have governments in fact the first president of Israel has a Palestine passport.

boycotting though will only fuel the war. if they are up to make peace, they just put walls on each other and not grab each other's land.
there is no adult in the room anymore but just keep shooting.



Title: Re: Boycotting iSrAEl's product? think again.
Post by: DrBeer on November 16, 2023, 05:26:16 PM
who created these two states?
countries in the Middle East are as old as Egypt. countries that were already there long before Christ was born. suddenly someone created two states. :D
it doesn't really matter now because they are now established. they do have governments in fact the first president of Israel has a Palestine passport.

boycotting though will only fuel the war. if they are up to make peace, they just put walls on each other and not grab each other's land.
there is no adult in the room anymore but just keep shooting.


Let's give everything to the Neanderthals - they lived there long before Egypt and the existence of any Middle Eastern countries :)
After all, the territories now called the Middle East were inhabited by Neanderthals in the Middle Paleolithic (120 thousand - 40 thousand years BC). Or is that not it?
Ok, if this doesn’t fit, let’s give it to the Natufians! They lived there in 13-10 thousand BC. uh...In 1947 there were opportunities, there were agreements. But someone decided that he was smarter than everyone else and began a massacre that has been going on for 70 years... Maybe someone should be engaged in the creation and development of their countries and not the destruction of others? How is this an option!? :)


Title: Re: Boycotting iSrAEl's product? think again.
Post by: Faisal2202 on November 16, 2023, 05:39:42 PM
Not every people want to spend more money for a same thing, more importantly not every country can survive with their own resources, many country still depend on import as they can get cheaper price or they completely don't have that due to many reasons e.g. bad weather, limited resource, lack of human resource etc.
The traders of a country can arrange things because they have access to a lot of resources. If people leave some product, for example, some perfume, which is abandoned by the citizens due to Boycott, they will come up with some other perfume from some other country because they know the consumers have money and at the end they (consumers) have to buy perfume, so it is better to provide them with another brand of perfume.
Shifting from big business which can sell cheap stuff to local business which charge higher will make people become poor,
Well, that would be immoral for the local businesses to do that, but if they do, they can be charged because everyone has a rate list, which should be followed, and a rate list should be issued by the government, and the implementation of the rate list should also be assured by the government.
I'm sure the criminal rate will increase as not every citizen agree to work hard to rebuilt their economy back.
Well, that would be immoral too and government should focus on it and should implement required steps to decrease the crime rate.


Title: Re: Boycotting iSrAEl's product? think again.
Post by: jacafbiz on November 16, 2023, 06:00:40 PM
The issue here is boycotting products or companies that are supporting Israel, Most of the companies on the list are very big companies and I don't think it will have effect on them long term, they may feel the effect short term because of drop in revenue, but they are likely to recover. The Israel/Hamas war just shows the hypocrisies of the world, this is a complex issue and I don't like to discuss this because of the complexity of it, religion and politics is involved, and the media will only tell you half-truth depending on whose interest the owner of the channel is supporting. The world need to embrace peace so much bloodshed


Title: Re: Boycotting iSrAEl's product? think again.
Post by: Wakate on November 16, 2023, 06:12:56 PM
Even though those brands have their own choices where to take side, this war doesn't make any sense at all.

I mean, both sides has their own reasons why they are fighting for their land, who the true owner really is, but this could be resolve in a way where no innocent lives are being taken. We just love to show how superior we are in a certain country, no matter what kind of countermeasures it is, continues bombing, killing people until they surrender, and conquer their land to widen up the kingdom.

I wouldn't doubt if one day human will be extinct, and mother earth would be left destroyed by exchanging nuclear bombs just to show who's the boss, what a pathetic society we live in.
I think this is a wrong move and people should not show that they support either Israel or Palestine by hating on products whether it is owned by Israel or not. This is not a good way to stop the war. I don't really blame Israel because they are trying their best to fight against terrorists that invaded their country. I believe no country would be invaded by another country and they would relax and not do anything. It is best for us to think twice and not hate on any nations. There should be negotiation for this war to end and that is what want to see.


Title: Re: Boycotting iSrAEl's product? think again.
Post by: pooya87 on November 16, 2023, 06:22:03 PM
And I can easily prove this! 1947. This year, two states were actually created - Israel and Palestine.
Classic Zionist propagandist trying to twist the history and give legitimacy to the illegitimate Zionist regime which is now categorized as a terrorist organization.

Up until 1948 the Brits were the occupiers of these lands. After WW2 ended and Britain was no longer "great" they needed to give up a lot of colonies, so they took advantage and shipped all the Jews (they hated as much as Hitler) to these occupied lands by fooling them with the concept the Jews call "Aliyah". With the help of rest of Europe and US. They wanted to kill two birds with one stone: to get rid of Jews and have a proxy in West Asia.
Here you can see US gathering Jews to be shipped to Palestine:
https://www.talkimg.com/images/2023/11/16/FGyQz.jpeg

These Jews were seen as refugees escaping the war torn Europe seeking asylum in Palestine so they were received by Arabs in their lands. As we can see in this image from 1947 the thousands of Jews that are shipped to occupied Palestine are pleading for asylum: "Germans destroyed our families and our homes, don't you destroy our hopes" can be read on the side of Theodor Herzl ship that has brought them to Palestine.
https://www.talkimg.com/images/2023/11/16/FG1Eq.jpeg
Another source for the image from a different angle: https://digitalcommons.usf.edu/alicia_appleman_jurman/12/

Jews were supposed to be housed in these small settlements inside Palestine shown in white. But as you can see from the day the Zionist infestation began, they have been swallowing Palestine whole. Ethnically cleansing Palestinians and occupying their homes.
https://www.talkimg.com/images/2023/11/16/FGhUG.jpeg

At this point there is not much left of Palestine and Gaza is their last stance against the apartheid regime occupying their homes. They either win and wipe out Zionist terrorists then Palestinians and Jews can start living side by side like the past 2000 years or the terrorists succeed in their genocide and end Palestine which means next they start their expansion plans by invading other neighbors starting from the weakest Egypt and Jordan.
Now you know why the Hurricane of Al-Aqsa took place on October 7 and why it still is a nightmare for the terrorist organization, Israel. Now you also understand why the Israeli terrorists are murdering civilians, specially children this easily. They have been doing it for years trying to end an entire race!

P.S. I thank god every day that we succeeded in destroying ISIS otherwise we would have been arguing with @DrBeer over the "legitimacy" of the country of Daesh!!! which is the copy of Israel with the same extreme ideologies as the Zionist terrorists.


Title: Re: Boycotting iSrAEl's product? think again.
Post by: Kakmakr on November 17, 2023, 06:15:56 AM
It all depends on who the major shareholders of these franchises are, because those people are the ones that are targeted. The franchises that you mentioned are mostly from Western countries and we know the West are supporting Israel in this War.  

The sad part is, those companies ( franchisor ) usually have lots of local franchisees that are buying the rights to operate under their name, so the local business are usually operated by a local business owner and the staff working for him are also coming from the local community.

The boycott might damage the franchisor a little bit, but these companies are global, so they just expand into more countries where there are no hostilities against them.

The people suffering the most are the local business owner and his employees.  ::)


Title: Re: Boycotting iSrAEl's product? think again.
Post by: DrBeer on November 17, 2023, 09:25:15 AM
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 ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Classic propaganda ramblings of a proponent of terrorism and anti-Semitism....

The simplest proof is the ELECTED history !
The inconvenient FACTS are sort of forgotten. Avoiding the FACT and topic of Arab countries taking over the territory of Palestine and trying to attribute it to Israel is quite enough.
Or glossing over the FACT that Israel gave rights, shelter and jobs to the people of Gaza (which Israel essentially liberated by kicking out the Egyptian invaders).
The FACT that Arab countries categorically refuse to provide shelter and aid to Gazans is also silent. By the way, the FACTS and reasons for this behavior are also silent !
But the stupid, primitive, manipulative propaganda of the terrorist regime is being poured out !
What can one talk about with a rabid supporter of systemic lies and misanthropic ideologies !???

PS A special "thank you" to Hamas - for depriving the citizens of Gaza of a peaceful life, work and future, making them "expendable" and "human shields" for the cowardly Hamas terrorists !



Title: Re: Boycotting iSrAEl's product? think again.
Post by: justdimin on November 17, 2023, 11:32:06 AM
If you want to support Palestine, find the trusted charity in your respective country and make a donation on there.

Think smarter, don't ruin the economy in your country because of sUppOrTInG PaLEStinE by doing that.
I would say that if the prices or stocks or whatever (like revenue or income) drops, then it means that boycott is working. Doesn't mean I am supporting or against the boycott, I am just stating a fact.

However, we need to remember that these are multi-billion dollar companies and I am not sure if the boycott will continue to hurt them, we need to be realistically about the results of this, there could be some situations right now, but at the long run the western world is 99% of the income these companies have, and middle east is not, middle east doesn't bring in half as much as they think they do, these companies could work for just USA alone and still be rich nations, let alone adding Europe to that calculation. There could be troubles short term that's it.


Title: Re: Boycotting iSrAEl's product? think again.
Post by: glendall on November 17, 2023, 12:29:05 PM
My cousin works at Starbucks but he has had his working hours reduced because visitors to Starbucks have decreased drastically since the boycott was carried out by people.

To be honest, on the one hand, I feel sorry for him, but what is currently people doing (the boycott) is the best thing to stop the madness of war. what is being done by Israel towards Palestine, humanity remains above all even though we will see many people who will be unemployed.

This is what I have in mind,  the effect of the boycott itself, there are many hundreds of workers who will be affected by the boycott of the above products, on the one hand the issue of humanity and the independence of Palestine is also important,
It's a good idea to research the truth further before boycotting,


Title: Re: Boycotting iSrAEl's product? think again.
Post by: redsun114 on November 17, 2023, 01:45:00 PM
It's these private companies that should think smarter. I'm pretty sure they understand that we are now at the cancel culture age but they still expressed their support anyway instead of remaining neutral.
Those who would boycott may stop buying these brands but they will still spend their money elsewhere so not much problem with that. The issue is that there may be a few hundreds or thousands of employees that may be affected in case these franchises go bankrupt.
I agree with your point that these companies are the ones who should have taken a neutral stance if they couldn't show support for Palestine for whatever reason even though it's pretty obvious that the people of Palestine are the actual victims of this war because they are innocent and has nothing to do whatever happens or even whatever their country or the authorities does, a country shouldn't kill innocent civilians when it's in war with the country.

Anyway, if these companies are not thinking about their employees because they probably don't care, they should at least think of themselves because if people in large numbers start boycotting them and their products, they will start to incur huge losses due to mass production costs and low sales.


Title: Re: Boycotting iSrAEl's product? think again.
Post by: benalexis12 on November 17, 2023, 02:57:00 PM
My cousin works at Starbucks but he has had his working hours reduced because visitors to Starbucks have decreased drastically since the boycott was carried out by people.

To be honest, on the one hand, I feel sorry for him, but what is currently people doing (the boycott) is the best thing to stop the madness of war. what is being done by Israel towards Palestine, humanity remains above all even though we will see many people who will be unemployed.

This is what I have in mind,  the effect of the boycott itself, there are many hundreds of workers who will be affected by the boycott of the above products, on the one hand the issue of humanity and the independence of Palestine is also important,
It's a good idea to research the truth further before boycotting,

We don't know who actually planned that boycott, but even so, it might have an effect, but that doesn't mean that the boycott will bring down those products.

It seems that in the human body, it can only cause a wound, but it will still heal after a short period of time. You know what I mean. And as others have said, that's not a good way to be honest if we look closely. .


Title: Re: Boycotting iSrAEl's product? think again.
Post by: bayu7adi on November 18, 2023, 01:34:22 AM
The people suffering the most are the local business owner and his employees.  ::)
Exactly, sometimes even local entrepreneurs and those who collaborate with franchise may not necessarily support Zionism. It could be that in countries with a majority Muslim population, there's cooperation with this franchise because it shows good growth and generates high profits. There's no intention to endorse the existing genocide. I'm starting to see a dilemma here, even though it's also worthy of consideration.

If this product is truly thriving, then what happens is that the parent company reaps more profits. If the business is slow, it's the local franchise owners who suffer losses. Sometimes, boycotting products becomes a tough choice in responding to conflicts.

I get it, everyone wants to help the victims of war, but is this the right way by limiting ourselves from products that we used even before on a daily basis?


Title: Re: Boycotting iSrAEl's product? think again.
Post by: dansus021 on November 18, 2023, 01:40:55 AM
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/11/14/indonesians-boycott-mcdonalds-starbucks-over-support-for-israel Here in my country there is boycott product like Starbucks and mcdonald tho I dont really buy the product too even before the boycott is arrived because expensive hahaha.

I just want to ask is there a news about that company gives money aid to israel soldier or it is spark because mcd israel gives free meal to soldier ?


Title: Re: Boycotting iSrAEl's product? think again.
Post by: NewRanger on November 18, 2023, 02:28:42 AM
Maybe this will also happen in various other countries where local business owners will take advantage of this momentum to compete amidst the incessant boycott of products whose companies support the war. Because not all of the products being boycotted are from Israel, but there are also from other countries such as America and its member states, so this also needs to be looked at carefully. So that no one misunderstands the boycott that is currently underway, because this will really have a big impact on the country's economic sector.

Yes. Everyone is taking advantage of the moment and setting a strategy in this regard. If I focus on an authorized body such as the UN which has strong nails, it can immediately seek a middle way so that the ongoing military aggression conflict there can be immediately resolved in a just and dignified manner where the dominant victims are children and women.

Since the war broke out on October 7, there have been more than 11,500 Palestinians in Gaza, including 4,710 children and 3,160 women. The number of injured victims reached 29,800 people and this is temporary data which has not yet been updated and is certain to increase. Isn't that sad? Do they (UN) want to slow it down again and increase the number of victims?


Title: Re: Boycotting iSrAEl's product? think again.
Post by: pooya87 on November 18, 2023, 11:56:18 AM
I just want to ask is there a news about that company gives money aid to israel soldier or it is spark because mcd israel gives free meal to soldier ?
The free meal thing was a reminder for a lot of people that woke them up.
Otherwise the financial aid that McDonald's sends the apartheid regime of Israel is huge and they've been doing it for many years. I believe the start was at least from 1993.

We also already know that many of the CEOs were Zionists themselves such as Jack M. Greenberg (CEO from 1999 to 2002).

One of the proxies through which McDonald's sends money to the child killer regime is the Jewish Federation of Metropolitan Chicago. This organization is then sending $1.3 billion to the terrorists in Tel Aviv every year.
You can see their main contributors in their website (old picture showing their gratitude for their biggest contributors): https://www.talkimg.com/image/FI5qC

You see this is not the first time companies such as McDonald's is experiencing global backlash for supporting terrorism. This is why they have been doing it through proxies and third parties trying to keep it under wraps. But funding terrorism always leaves a trail.


Title: Re: Boycotting iSrAEl's product? think again.
Post by: DrBeer on November 18, 2023, 02:55:50 PM
A question to the esteemed public !
Please just answer honestly, even if the answer will not be pleasant: why Arab countries do not say a word about boycott of Chinese products?
Someone will probably ask - "What does China have to do with it". I answer - In China, for many decades, systematically, at the state level, there is a real genocide of Muslims. There are persecuted, imprisoned, tortured, deprived of rights, deprived of the right to their religious identity, more than a million Muslims ! And not ONE Muslim country says a word about this to me, does not make any demands, does not demand boycott and confrontation or even MINIMAL help to their brothers in faith and blood !?!? Is it like - selective truth, double standards, or is it "wrong Muslims" ? Or maybe it's just a matter of .... Though no - I would love to hear your ARGUMENTED opinions


Title: Re: Boycotting iSrAEl's product? think again.
Post by: JunaidAzizi on November 18, 2023, 03:16:29 PM
HAMAS has gone into a suicide mission and the price is being paid by those who has no relation with the war. This is very much unfortunate but looking at Israel's mood, it's not going to stop anytime soon. If Iran tries to become the big daddy of the Middle East, they will be screwed by US.
There is a theory known as just war theory which explains the war phenomenon of what is allowed in war and what is not. This theory has three phases and in the second phase jus ad bellum, there is a principle that clearly says that only use that force in response that your opponent doeses, means not using excess force in response to a little one. Israel violated this principle and killed thousands of children and did a carpet bombing in Ghaza, Hamas did not kill any children so the war was just between Israel and Hamas, and the protection of the civilians was necessary. The Muslim country and also the European states boycott Israel's products based on civilian killing. We are in an advanced era where there is not only war occurring due to weapons but through different means and economic boycotts are one of them.


Title: Re: Boycotting iSrAEl's product? think again.
Post by: Despairo on November 19, 2023, 10:21:35 AM
Why more? In a lot of cases the products listed in the picture are a lot more expensive than their alternatives only because of their brand name.
Some of local sellers often charge higher rate when they see you wear a good clothes or drive an expensive car. I guess you meant the other competitors which is correct their products are cheaper, but the new generation prefer to buy a stuff with brand in order to flex in social media.

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Good news is that there are countless competitors for a lot of "simple products" from burgers to shampoos and drinks that have at least same quality if not better as replacements.
The taste of each product is different, it's can't be replaced, for me no one can replace KFC's sauces.

For men, every shampoos are same, but for women, not every shampoos suit for them and they always stick to brand that suit for them.

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Both of these countries import a ton of stuff. IIRC China imports is about $3 trillion annually.
But they both has a power which make them easier to cooperate with the other countries, even though EU give a sanction against Russia, Russia can still work with the other strong countries e.g. Saudi Arabia or China.


Title: Re: Boycotting iSrAEl's product? think again.
Post by: DrBeer on November 19, 2023, 12:15:50 PM
I also suggest that supporters of Palestine consider boycotting goods and relations with Jordan and Egypt! :)

Probably many already know why!? No, ok, I inform you - the brotherly Palestinians, the peoples of Jordan and Egypt, fellow believers, categorically REFUSED to accept refugees from Gaza!
“Jordan and Egypt will not accept Palestinian refugees from the Gaza Strip,” Jordanian King Abdullah announced this at a joint press conference with German Chancellor Olaf Scholz.
"This is a red line. No more Palestinian refugees - neither in Jordan nor in Egypt," the state news agency Petra quoted the monarch as saying.
According to Abdullah, the problem should be resolved within the Gaza Strip and in the West Bank, and not “shifted onto the shoulders of other states.”

This is what “support for the Palestinian people” looks like....

And again I ask myself the question - but no one can tell WHY Israel gave the Palestinians jobs, allowed them into its territory, treated them as people... And “brothers in faith” simply turn away from them and push them away? Nobody can give a reason?


Title: Re: Boycotting iSrAEl's product? think again.
Post by: pooya87 on November 19, 2023, 02:03:01 PM
I hope these companies release some statistics at some point to see the scale of the effects the ongoing boycott had on their revenues. At this point we only have news and social media to speculate and it is not accurate.
For example the most recent "activity" by the dictator of Arabia shows the boycott may be bigger than we thought because the al-Saudi dictator is ordering his mouthpieces to advertise McDonald's which is something that's happened for the first time!


Title: Re: Boycotting iSrAEl's product? think again.
Post by: Fortify on November 19, 2023, 05:30:18 PM

There are many organizations and people in Asia are boycotting Israel's product because they're stand with Palestine. But I see it's really wrong because they mixed up both Western brands and Israel brands as they boycotting brands like: McDonald, Fanta, Garnier, Nestea, Starbucks etc. I'm not sure what's their reason to do that, but I take McDonald as the example, they boycotting McDonald because McDonald's franchise in Israel is supporting Israel.

They forget if it's a franchise, it's not the McDonald's headquarter is supporting Israel. The franchise in other country has no relation with Israel, yet people boycott them. This can give effect to their own economy because the franchise will not make money to pay the employees, resulting salary cut or get fired, unemployment rate will increase.

AFAIK there's only one brand (https://thewaltdisneycompany.com/the-walt-disney-company-donates-to-support-humanitarian-relief-following-terrorist-attacks-in-israel-2/), that clearly supporting Israel, after all it's your choice to boycott them or not.

It's really not make sense to boycott franchise's product, if you want to boycott Israel's product, here are their brands https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Israeli_brands

If you want to support Palestine, find the trusted charity in your respective country and make a donation on there.

Think smarter, don't ruin the economy in your country because of sUppOrTInG PaLEStinE by doing that.

As you've identified, boycotts almost never work and especially not against big multinational organizations like McDonald's or Unilever. They have vast ranges of products which have reached a point of consistent quality and manufacture at a large scale where they can keep prices reasonably low for consumers. The poorest can often suffer in these scenarios because they really on goods from such companies at affordable prices. Most people these days have a very short memory as well and wouldn't be able to remember all the products to boycott all of the time, besides actually liking many of these brands.


Title: Re: Boycotting iSrAEl's product? think again.
Post by: tjtonmoy on November 19, 2023, 07:59:26 PM
Your government has imported those products from Israel and the price has already been paid off. If you boycott those products that are already in the market in your country, then you are harming your own country's economy. You are spending money in your country and your country is making the profit. It stays in your country and does not go to Israel if your government is not importing new things from there.

Instead of boycotting individual consumption of those products or things from company, we need to find a way to prevent importing things from Israel. That's the only way you are not helping Israel. Every other things coming from other countries should not be boycotted just because it's resembles the name of the company. Also, you need to prevent importing from countries which are importing things from Israel and then giving it to you. You should never harm your country's economy by not consuming those products. I also hate Israel, so I will keep that hatred in mind, but in order to really support people from Palestine, we need to stand beside them.


Title: Re: Boycotting iSrAEl's product? think again.
Post by: 2girls on November 19, 2023, 08:08:11 PM
I didn't understand why the countries are doing this even they had faces many problems in the War.
Even if they had a war of Atomic Bomb and missiles how could someone's stopped applying a countries things. Even those countries which are not even involved in the War how could they stop themselves from these things even they didn't even aware of the conclusion they made.
Most probably the those countries which are not even affected by this war will not able to boycott these things and still these things are using in many countries and they think this is their own choice.


Title: Re: Boycotting iSrAEl's product? think again.
Post by: darkangel11 on November 19, 2023, 08:53:45 PM
They want to do something but don't actually know what's owned by Jews. Nestle is not Israeli, but it of course employs Jews, since it owns Osem.
If you wanted to boycott Jewish products you should stop watching movies because a lot of famous producers (like Weinstein) and directors (like Kubrick, Polanski) are Jews. I'm not even going to start with actors. Probably over 30% of people in that industry have Jewish blood in them and it's nothing bad. You don't choose who your parents are.
Boycotting something because it has ties with a nations is stupid. These people have no control over the things their military does, pretty much like Russian sports teams have nothing to do with war in Ukraine, as long as they don't start to support it in the media.

To be honest, I want to see the CEO of Nestle die in a horrible way, that company is the most evil company there together with BlackRock, Vanguard, Raytheon and Lockheed Martin.

Does that mean that when Black Rock starts pumping bitcoin when ETF gets approved you're not going to sell any because it could get into their hands?
I'd love to see such initiative, but people are too greedy to actually do it. When bitcoin goes to $100k they'll all be selling like crazy to buy their supercars and ocean view apartments.



Title: Re: Boycotting iSrAEl's product? think again.
Post by: macson on November 19, 2023, 09:19:48 PM
This is what I have in mind,  the effect of the boycott itself, there are many hundreds of workers who will be affected by the boycott of the above products, on the one hand the issue of humanity and the independence of Palestine is also important,
It's a good idea to research the truth further before boycotting,
Nowadays, there are a lot of people who find it difficult to verify the information they get first, apart from that they also take part in supporting the boycott of Israeli products, which will have a big impact on economic imbalance, i just read an advertisement, there are many Products that are on the boycott list have discounts of more than 30%.  To be honest, when a boycott occurs, the people who work are the ones who suffer losses, i have never supported the war between Israel and Palestine, i have also never supported the boycott of Israeli products.


Title: Re: Boycotting iSrAEl's product? think again.
Post by: topbitcoin on November 19, 2023, 09:27:15 PM
I didn't understand why the countries are doing this even they had faces many problems in the War.

Of course, this was done in order to stop the war conflict that occurred between Zionist Israel and Palestinian Hamas. This call for a boycott was made as a form of protectionism by most Islamic countries against the colonialism carried out by Israel and against pro-Israel countries. This boycott call is a sign that a trade war is about to start. And of course, with the call for a boycott, countries that are pro-Israel will think twice about continuing their support for Israel. because apart from calling for a boycott it will affect the performance of product exports, but this also has the potential to reduce the value of investment, so that they are western countries which are pro Israel but most of their country's income is supported by product exports, so that exports can continue, whether they like it or not the country must withdraw its support for Israel. and this could allow Israel's strength to become increasingly weakened, in the end Israel will choose to make peace and grant independence to Palestine.


Title: Re: Boycotting iSrAEl's product? think again.
Post by: panganib999 on November 19, 2023, 10:58:39 PM
LOL. I see like almost 5 Nestle brands in that picture.

Nestle has done far worse things than picking sides in any particular war, and people have been boycotting them for decades, but the blood-thirsty company continues to buy up other businesses and hurt more people by making things prohibitively expensive for them.
Don't get me started with that Water bullshit they put out in 2014.

Although I don't get what the fuck OP meant with "stop ruining your economy with your stupid I stand with Palestine bullshit" or whatever the fuck he put out in his main post. First off, every country's in the position to lift themselves up through their innate denominators and features. Some countries have natural resources, some countries have particularly nicer views that could be used as tourist attractions, it all boils down to proper governance and anti-corruption movements. Now, the problem with your statement is that it discourages fighting for people's liberty, and supporting the oppressor just cause they give you money. If I tell you to stop bitching about work since you're getting paid to do it anyway, would you feel rather happy about what I said?


Title: Re: Boycotting iSrAEl's product? think again.
Post by: EFS on November 19, 2023, 11:29:32 PM
The widespread belief in the boycotting society isn't that these brands belong to Israel, but that they belong to the US and that the US is behind Israel. So it's not only Israel that they are boycotting, but also the US. While I think it's normal for people to boycott any company for any reason and to publicize it, this issue is very open to manipulation. Some groups in society include companies they don't want in these pre-written lists, and these lists spread from hand to hand, and people who don't check them one by one create a perception that they are all bad. Some of the companies on the boycott lists may even be directly owned by the country. Only the naming rights are foreign, all the capital and labor is local, but people still boycott them without knowing or caring that.


Title: Re: Boycotting iSrAEl's product? think again.
Post by: Despairo on November 20, 2023, 05:21:53 AM
The poorest can often suffer in these scenarios because they really on goods from such companies at affordable prices. Most people these days have a very short memory as well and wouldn't be able to remember all the products to boycott all of the time, besides actually liking many of these brands.
As simple as this, if the product from local business or competitors are better than them, boycott isn't even needed as the consumers know which product is the best deal.

If I tell you to stop bitching about work since you're getting paid to do it anyway, would you feel rather happy about what I said?
Do you think I'm one of them who bitching about work? :D

Actually I agree with such mind, why you need to angry or mad with the job that given from your company when you're get paid and you're the one who want to get a job? if you don't like it just resign immediately. Don't say it's hard to get a new job, you need to feed your family etc, that's the risk of quitting a job and no one said life is easy.

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Don't spit in your own well when you drink water from it.


This is important to know for someone who support the boycott.

https://imgvb.com/images/2023/11/20/d15b2d662ff14d95e2c12dd0944690b2.png
https://www.unrwa.org/sites/default/files/top_20_donors_2022_overall_ranking.pdf


Title: Re: Boycotting iSrAEl's product? think again.
Post by: DrBeer on November 20, 2023, 07:39:10 AM
Here's a new object for boycott ! :)

"'You did not warn us of the impending attack on Israel on Oct. 7, we will not enter the war to give you support,' the ayatollah said." According to sources, Iranian authorities do not like Hamas making public appeals to Iran and Iran-based pro-Iranian Hezbollah, asking them to join the fighting against Israel. Khamenei demanded that Haniyeh take steps to stop such calls.  Iran-backed Hezbollah has previously threatened to go to war against Israel if Hamas is on the verge of defeat."....."

Iran too refuses to support the Palestinians, against strikes on Israel, and generally doesn't care about the Palestinians.... By the way refugees from Palestine they also do not want to see in their territory....

And so - waiting for support and calls to boycott this cowardly "pro-Israel regime" !  :) 

Judging by the situation, there is a complete picture - the Arab, Muslim world is using Palestine only for information manipulation, and as "guinea pigs" - it will turn out to be another "experiment", and with their help to create a problem for Israel - they will attribute the success in the "fight against Zionism" to themselves. And if they don't, they won't, and don't give a damn about the Palestinians, their lives, their future, which doesn't exist.... And all "support for Palestine" - only in words, in weapons for terrorist attacks against Israel, and in slogans of crazy leaders of terrorist groups and regimes ...

Now these "players with other people's souls" have probably finally taken away the future from the people of Palestine, made them outcasts and rejected by the Muslim world. Deprived them of their jobs, the opportunity to live and develop in peace, to build their cities, to raise their children.... You still blame Israel for Palestine's problems!? Do you still think that boycotting Israeli companies where Palestinians worked will save Palestinians !?!?


PS By the way a good example of a proper boycott: the other day Ilon Musk supported an anti-Semitic post. Bottom line: Apple, IBM, Disney, Warner Brothers, Discovery, Paramount and other major advertisers... refused to advertise on his network.... This is what a proper and effective boycott looks like


Title: Re: Boycotting iSrAEl's product? think again.
Post by: Mauser on November 22, 2023, 02:14:35 PM

If you want to support Palestine, find the trusted charity in your respective country and make a donation on there.

Think smarter, don't ruin the economy in your country because of sUppOrTInG PaLEStinE by doing that.

It's really hard to have a position on the whole Israel Palestina war. The attack from Hamas was terrible and definitely needed a strong response from Israel. The problem is that there is no end insight, civilians can't leave Gaza and became a political instrument for both sides. With so many civilian casualties it's going to be hard to find any longterm solution for the conflict. I remember reading an article from the economist in the spring this year about the uncertainty of Gaza and the West Bank. They argued that it's up to Israel to find a solution, because the world is facing too many different conflicts to really intervene in Israel. Nobody could have seen that the conflict would explode again this year and it's going to be hard to find a permanent solution after all that loss of life. The longer the war goes on the more children will suffer and become radicalized themselves. The chances are high that once they grow up they will continue the fight and you can't permanently occupy Gaza if the whole population is against you.


Title: Re: Boycotting iSrAEl's product? think again.
Post by: Freddie Boyer on November 25, 2023, 01:37:33 AM
PS By the way a good example of a proper boycott: the other day Ilon Musk supported an anti-Semitic post. Bottom line: Apple, IBM, Disney, Warner Brothers, Discovery, Paramount and other major advertisers... refused to advertise on his network.... This is what a proper and effective boycott looks like

I know this has an impact on those involved. Even though it has small scale economic consequences. So, from the picture you have given, I don't think Elon will necessarily want to go in that direction because they may be bound by interests and if they want to do so, it could be considered a violation of freedom of expression, even though Elon indirectly has the right to express opinions.


Title: Re: Boycotting iSrAEl's product? think again.
Post by: philipma1957 on November 25, 2023, 02:00:37 AM
The widespread belief in the boycotting society isn't that these brands belong to Israel, but that they belong to the US and that the US is behind Israel. So it's not only Israel that they are boycotting, but also the US. While I think it's normal for people to boycott any company for any reason and to publicize it, this issue is very open to manipulation. Some groups in society include companies they don't want in these pre-written lists, and these lists spread from hand to hand, and people who don't check them one by one create a perception that they are all bad. Some of the companies on the boycott lists may even be directly owned by the country. Only the naming rights are foreign, all the capital and labor is local, but people still boycott them without knowing or caring that.

So if you boycott USA companies and harm them you are harming the muslim's in the US that work or depend on those companies.

Ten of Thousands of muslims work at those companies in the USA so you harm 10's of thousands of muslims.

Here is a chart of top ten muslim states

New York 724,475
California 504,056
Illinois 473,792
New Jersey 321,652
Texas 313,209
Michigan 241,828
Maryland 188,914
Virginia 169,371
Pennsylvania 149,561
Massachusetts 131,749

top ten states in US  have over 3,213,000 muslims many work in those companies so the boycott harms them.
It might be more effect for every muslim to simply quit those jobs in the USA and Asia muslims send them btc and other coins to survive.

Non violent,  but would be a good message to make companies listen to the plight.


got it from here:
https://worldpopulationreview.com/state-rankings/muslim-population-by-state


Title: Re: Boycotting iSrAEl's product? think again.
Post by: DrBeer on November 25, 2023, 09:23:48 AM
PS By the way a good example of a proper boycott: the other day Ilon Musk supported an anti-Semitic post. Bottom line: Apple, IBM, Disney, Warner Brothers, Discovery, Paramount and other major advertisers... refused to advertise on his network.... This is what a proper and effective boycott looks like

I know this has an impact on those involved. Even though it has small scale economic consequences. So, from the picture you have given, I don't think Elon will necessarily want to go in that direction because they may be bound by interests and if they want to do so, it could be considered a violation of freedom of expression, even though Elon indirectly has the right to express opinions.

Absolutely agree - everyone has the right to express their opinion and support one side or the other. But at the same time we should not forget that if you have rights, you also have obligations. For example, the obligation to be responsible for your words and actions. So Musk, expressing his opinion, should be prepared that he will have to get a response from the "other side" .who have their own opinion and have their own rights to act according to their views. So what we see is a normal state of affairs, and a normal reaction of market participants. After all, no one can tell them that this is not the way to do it and they should continue to advertise themselves on Twitter, filling Musk's pocket with their money, right? :)


Title: Re: Boycotting iSrAEl's product? think again.
Post by: nurilham on November 25, 2023, 10:33:46 AM
Classic Zionist propagandist trying to twist the history and give legitimacy to the illegitimate Zionist regime which is now categorized as a terrorist organization.
I agree with you. Zionist and people who support Zionist, will always try to fool everyone with false pretenses. They will argue that they have the right to invade Palestinians because they assume it is their land. They may have varied reasons, but they can't deny that Palestinians are the people who live in the land for many years. Meanwhile the Zionist are the refugees or immigrants from other countries who try to steal Palestinians' land. According to this perspective (viewpoint), it is clear that which one that deserves to call as terrorists and take the responsibility of the brutal murder of Palestinians for decades.

At this point there is not much left of Palestine and Gaza is their last stance against the apartheid regime occupying their homes. They either win and wipe out Zionist terrorists then Palestinians and Jews can start living side by side like the past 2000 years or the terrorists succeed in their genocide and end Palestine which means next they start their expansion plans by invading other neighbors starting from the weakest Egypt and Jordan.
Indeed. Palestinians only have Gaza and few areas in West bank. If they wipe out all the Palestinians, they probably won't stop. They assume they are the people who choose by the God to control the world. So, it is not impossible if they will try to expand more their areas. I don't think they will try to attack Egypt and Jordan only, they may plan to rule the whole world.



Guys. Sorry, but this is my own opinion. Everyone has the right to have own view, right?  ;D



Title: Re: Boycotting iSrAEl's product? think again.
Post by: pooya87 on November 25, 2023, 03:34:55 PM
Speaking of boycotting, many Islamic clerics around the world have issued a Fatwa declaring products linked to Zionists "haram". Two of the recent examples are Indonesia with about 240 million Muslims (87%) and Algeria with 45 million (99%).

And yet Saudi and Emirati dictatorships are still swimming against the tide!
I wouldn't be surprised to see the first real Arab Spring that is not started by the West but happens because of all the accumulated anger towards the dictators and their decisions that goes against people's wishes.


Title: Re: Boycotting iSrAEl's product? think again.
Post by: armanda90 on November 25, 2023, 07:40:56 PM
In my country have been more than one month our citizen boycott Israel product exactly with McDonald is the first standings product list have been boycott and more popular due this company have rumor helping the Israel solder when invasion to Palestine. Have been condition with some Israel product list have dropped with their values after boycotting exactly with countries dominance by Moslem, I don't know until how long Israel product will boycott by my citizen because they are most hate whit invasion did to Palestine. Other side, some Israel product have give bigger bonuses sale in last several week to make people excited to buy regarding more than 20% to 50% of bonuses.

And yet Saudi and Emirati dictatorships are still swimming against the tide!
I wouldn't be surprised to see the first real Arab Spring that is not started by the West but happens because of all the accumulated anger towards the dictators and their decisions that goes against people's wishes.
Have difference viewed with Saudi Arabia seems supported with Israel and they not fight what invasion did to Palestine, I don't know the effort from Saudi Arabia as moslem country but have close relationship with Israel and until right now never have official announcement they are condemning what did by Israel.


Title: Re: Boycotting iSrAEl's product? think again.
Post by: 2girls on November 25, 2023, 07:50:57 PM
Have difference viewed with Saudi Arabia seems supported with Israel and they not fight what invasion did to Palestine, I don't know the effort from Saudi Arabia as moslem country but have close relationship with Israel and until right now never have official announcement they are condemning what did by Israel.

Even now I didn't understand the behavior of the Saudi Arab as they have a Muslim country and they have to support the Muslim even they may be in the any side of the World but they are against those Muslims and even they are still supporting the countries like which are against these Muslim and also that includes the Israel. They don't have to help them even in this situation.

And they are sending some helps to the Israel and the things which are used in the wars they are also providing them because they wants that the Palestine should destroyed which is so wrong.


Title: Re: Boycotting iSrAEl's product? think again.
Post by: pooya87 on December 07, 2023, 10:30:05 AM
So far Starbucks seems to have taken the biggest hit from the boycotts since the company is also struggling with other issues. According to newsweek[1] the company got dumped $11 billion in value ever since the boycott started. Although I personally don't consider stock price as the best indication but the important thing here is that the company is also reporting lower sales and decreased foot traffic as they are losing customers which means the boycotts is one of the main reasons contributing to their losses.

[1] https://www.newsweek.com/starbucks-market-loss-boycotts-strikes-red-cup-day-1849713


Title: Re: Boycotting iSrAEl's product? think again.
Post by: martinex on December 07, 2023, 03:12:32 PM
And yet Saudi and Emirati dictatorships are still swimming against the tide!
I wouldn't be surprised to see the first real Arab Spring that is not started by the West but happens because of all the accumulated anger towards the dictators and their decisions that goes against people's wishes.

That's right, it's also strange to see Saudi and the UAE still doing things that conflict with improving diplomatic relations with Israel in recent years. However, in my opinion, this is also a normal thing because every country also has special dynamics and factors that influence the course of events, but apart from all that, what must be urgent is how the safety of children and women during wartime can be guaranteed and the fallout minimized. victims and receive good protection.


Title: Re: Boycotting iSrAEl's product? think again.
Post by: Fortify on December 07, 2023, 08:49:05 PM
There are many organizations and people in Asia are boycotting Israel's product because they're stand with Palestine. But I see it's really wrong because they mixed up both Western brands and Israel brands as they boycotting brands like: McDonald, Fanta, Garnier, Nestea, Starbucks etc. I'm not sure what's their reason to do that, but I take McDonald as the example, they boycotting McDonald because McDonald's franchise in Israel is supporting Israel.

They forget if it's a franchise, it's not the McDonald's headquarter is supporting Israel. The franchise in other country has no relation with Israel, yet people boycott them. This can give effect to their own economy because the franchise will not make money to pay the employees, resulting salary cut or get fired, unemployment rate will increase.

AFAIK there's only one brand (https://thewaltdisneycompany.com/the-walt-disney-company-donates-to-support-humanitarian-relief-following-terrorist-attacks-in-israel-2/), that clearly supporting Israel, after all it's your choice to boycott them or not.

It's really not make sense to boycott franchise's product, if you want to boycott Israel's product, here are their brands https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Israeli_brands

If you want to support Palestine, find the trusted charity in your respective country and make a donation on there.

Think smarter, don't ruin the economy in your country because of sUppOrTInG PaLEStinE by doing that.

Boycotts, or at least attempts at them, seem to happen every other week now due to some controversy or other. They are quickly forgotten in he interconnected and globalized world that we live in. The fact is that so many supply and services chains overlap that it is harder than ever to distinguish the geographic location that sometimes thousands of components come from in, for example, an item of technology like a car. However they can sometimes be useful for keeping a company in check, if they take sometimes extreme views on a certain topic and public pressure can cause them to roll back obviously discriminatory rules. Look at budget airlines for example, who are forever trying to cut back in the search for profits and sometimes need a reminder on basic decency.


Title: Re: Boycotting iSrAEl's product? think again.
Post by: Wakate on December 07, 2023, 09:30:07 PM
This is a poor way to tackle the current situation in Gaza. If the Muslim fanatics keep ignoring and boycotting produce from Israel, would that stop the current war? The best way is to seek for ways to ensure that this war does not take too long or else many people would lose their lives. Instead of boycotting produce from Israel just like it happens during the early period of the war between Russia and Ukraine. Many countries try to reject products from Russia in order to cripple the Russia economy so that the government would not have funds to produce more ammunitions but that still did not have effect on the war.


Title: Re: Boycotting iSrAEl's product? think again.
Post by: erep on December 08, 2023, 10:45:48 PM
This is a poor way to tackle the current situation in Gaza. If the Muslim fanatics keep ignoring and boycotting produce from Israel, would that stop the current war? The best way is to seek for ways to ensure that this war does not take too long or else many people would lose their lives. Instead of boycotting produce from Israel just like it happens during the early period of the war between Russia and Ukraine. Many countries try to reject products from Russia in order to cripple the Russia economy so that the government would not have funds to produce more ammunitions but that still did not have effect on the war.
So why don't you join in boycotting Israeli products to stop the war in Gaza against civilians and stop their economy from buying bombs and ammunition which has claimed the lives of 17 thousand civilians, sorry for the question because you are pro-Ukraine. I am talking about humanity and various people in the world also want a ceasefire and we want to live in peace without sacrificing anyone's life. In my opinion, if you care about humanity then you will boycott their products as a criticism that we care about anyone regardless of religion or race, all humans were created by God to live temporarily and let God have the right to punish anyone who commits damage and mistakes in the world.


Title: Re: Boycotting iSrAEl's product? think again.
Post by: serveria.com on December 08, 2023, 11:17:05 PM
https://imgvb.com/images/2023/11/14/7d5c7b5a18fe16e0209bdb5dae9d79ff.png
https://currentaffairs.adda247.com/boycott-israel-products-list-2023/

There are many organizations and people in Asia are boycotting Israel's product because they're stand with Palestine. But I see it's really wrong because they mixed up both Western brands and Israel brands as they boycotting brands like: McDonald, Fanta, Garnier, Nestea, Starbucks etc. I'm not sure what's their reason to do that, but I take McDonald as the example, they boycotting McDonald because McDonald's franchise in Israel is supporting Israel.

https://imgvb.com/images/2023/11/14/3be79942c24dd5ba73b3390dfdfcb818.png
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/mcdonalds-owners-fight-over-support-for-israel/ar-AA1jgQRE

They forget if it's a franchise, it's not the McDonald's headquarter is supporting Israel. The franchise in other country has no relation with Israel, yet people boycott them. This can give effect to their own economy because the franchise will not make money to pay the employees, resulting salary cut or get fired, unemployment rate will increase.

AFAIK there's only one brand (https://thewaltdisneycompany.com/the-walt-disney-company-donates-to-support-humanitarian-relief-following-terrorist-attacks-in-israel-2/), that clearly supporting Israel, after all it's your choice to boycott them or not.

It's really not make sense to boycott franchise's product, if you want to boycott Israel's product, here are their brands https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Israeli_brands

If you want to support Palestine, find the trusted charity in your respective country and make a donation on there.

Think smarter, don't ruin the economy in your country because of sUppOrTInG PaLEStinE by doing that.

I guess they're not mixing up Israeli brands and Western brands but they're doing it deliberately because the US supports Israel. US is Israel's #1 weapons supplier. So it's pretty logical they're boycotting Western products and brands as well.

Regarding franchises, they're local companies that's true but they're still paying franchise fees to the mother companies, so it's pretty logical too.


Title: Re: Boycotting iSrAEl's product? think again.
Post by: MusaPk on December 09, 2023, 07:15:04 AM
This boycott stuff made me think that there are alternative to imported products we use in daily life. For last month,  I am trying to buy grocery items of local products and for my surprise local product's like tea, cooking oil, ketchup are as good as there counter imported product's. Don't know why we are attracted to imported products when our local products are good enough for consumption.

As far as boycotting Mcdonald is concerned, it has a symbolic value also that anyone who is openly supporting the genocide carries out in Gaza then we are not with that company. In Pakistan, there is massive decline in sale of Mcdonald and KFC. I myself witness of empty KFC and Mcdonald outlets.


Title: Re: Boycotting iSrAEl's product? think again.
Post by: shawonngp on December 09, 2023, 08:45:40 AM
My cousin works at Starbucks but he has had his working hours reduced because visitors to Starbucks have decreased drastically since the boycott was carried out by people.

To be honest, on the one hand, I feel sorry for him, but what is currently people doing (the boycott) is the best thing to stop the madness of war. what is being done by Israel towards Palestine, humanity remains above all even though we will see many people who will be unemployed.
Starbucks loses 12 billion $ (I think it will be increase because the movement is still continued in many countries) for boycotting Israeli's products around in the world,
Definitely it's a extreme destruction they faced. Not only starbucks, other many israeli's brands also boycotted.


Title: Re: Boycotting iSrAEl's product? think again.
Post by: bounceback on December 09, 2023, 12:11:50 PM
This boycott stuff made me think that there are alternative to imported products we use in daily life. For last month,  I am trying to buy grocery items of local products and for my surprise local product's like tea, cooking oil, ketchup are as good as there counter imported product's. Don't know why we are attracted to imported products when our local products are good enough for consumption.

As far as boycotting Mcdonald is concerned, it has a symbolic value also that anyone who is openly supporting the genocide carries out in Gaza then we are not with that company. In Pakistan, there is massive decline in sale of Mcdonald and KFC. I myself witness of empty KFC and Mcdonald outlets.
Have drastically impact with some countries boycotting Israel products and they loss much money with sell targeted drop drastically since this news publishing to public. In my country some Israel product have drop significant with their transaction in daily day exactly McDonald's, KFC, Starbuck and some cosmetic products. One side with issues boycotting have smart marketing with Israel product with fantastic bonuses offering more than 50% than usually price.
Some time dilemma when Israel product boycotting the local product are not ready with their supply and make price up drastically, in my environment Aqua as mineral water have been boycott and have local product but difficult with get stock due their product sold out in faster moment.


Title: Re: Boycotting iSrAEl's product? think again.
Post by: DrBeer on December 09, 2023, 02:05:32 PM
I didn't understand why the countries are doing this even they had faces many problems in the War.

Of course, this was done in order to stop the war conflict that occurred between Zionist Israel and Palestinian Hamas. This call for a boycott was made as a form of protectionism by most Islamic countries against the colonialism carried out by Israel and against pro-Israel countries. This boycott call is a sign that a trade war is about to start. And of course, with the call for a boycott, countries that are pro-Israel will think twice about continuing their support for Israel. because apart from calling for a boycott it will affect the performance of product exports, but this also has the potential to reduce the value of investment, so that they are western countries which are pro Israel but most of their country's income is supported by product exports, so that exports can continue, whether they like it or not the country must withdraw its support for Israel. and this could allow Israel's strength to become increasingly weakened, in the end Israel will choose to make peace and grant independence to Palestine.

One simple question - are there many "national" brands, those who are going to "boycott Israeli brands" that produce the same products, of the same quality ?
By the way, are they going to boycott the products of those brands that belong to countries that support Israel ? :) And what about the substitution of all these products in the territories of the countries calling for a boycott ? Or those who support Israel will not be boycotted because they are highly dependent ?

PS I really liked the display of "intelligence" of the boycotters, who went and bought a lot of Coca-Cola and poured it down the drain. Bought it and dumped it. Paid money to those who want to be left without money.... I think such a mass boycott, the producers will be very happy ! :)


Title: Re: Boycotting iSrAEl's product? think again.
Post by: Freddie Boyer on December 09, 2023, 02:43:05 PM
PS I really liked the display of "intelligence" of the boycotters, who went and bought a lot of Coca-Cola and poured it down the drain. Bought it and dumped it. Paid money to those who want to be left without money.... I think such a mass boycott, the producers will be very happy ! :)

However, these entrepreneurs also implement strategies related to this issue, especially if their products are also affected, during the profit calculation period at the end of the year if net sales experience a decline, for example in the food and beverage industry due to fast moving consumers.


Title: Re: Boycotting iSrAEl's product? think again.
Post by: DrBeer on December 11, 2023, 08:28:41 AM
PS I really liked the display of "intelligence" of the boycotters, who went and bought a lot of Coca-Cola and poured it down the drain. Bought it and dumped it. Paid money to those who want to be left without money.... I think such a mass boycott, the producers will be very happy ! :)

However, these entrepreneurs also implement strategies related to this issue, especially if their products are also affected, during the profit calculation period at the end of the year if net sales experience a decline, for example in the food and beverage industry due to fast moving consumers.


I’ll just give an example of how Ukraine boycotted the products of the terrorist country - Russia:
Totally ignoring their products, publishing information about Russian brands, ignoring and complaining to stores, retail outlets, and retail chains about the presence of products from a terrorist’s country on their shelves. And you know - both the largest chains and small sellers completely removed such goods in literally a month!
No one bought a single unit in order to “exemplarily destroy”, just a total refusal to purchase goods and mass publication of the facts of the availability of goods in stores or even networks, across all social networks. So that EVERYONE knows - you can’t buy this - this is a terrorist product, if you buy it for even 1 hryvnia, you will pay the terrorists who are destroying peaceful cities of Ukraine!

And at the same time - we help brands whose country of origin helps us in the fight against RUSSHIZM - the USA, many EU countries, and many other countries whose products and goods are sold to us - they helped us, we will help them!


Title: Re: Boycotting iSrAEl's product? think again.
Post by: Mame89 on December 11, 2023, 09:03:12 AM
This is a poor way to tackle the current situation in Gaza. If the Muslim fanatics keep ignoring and boycotting produce from Israel, would that stop the current war? The best way is to seek for ways to ensure that this war does not take too long or else many people would lose their lives. Instead of boycotting produce from Israel just like it happens during the early period of the war between Russia and Ukraine. Many countries try to reject products from Russia in order to cripple the Russia economy so that the government would not have funds to produce more ammunitions but that still did not have effect on the war.
This is just my personal opinion. Indeed, boycotting Israeli products will not stop the war, it has been proven that currently the war is continuing and even becoming more brutal. But at least by boycotting this way we have a moral responsibility regarding the humanity that is happening in Palestine, because this is no longer war but already genocide so it is natural that many Muslim countries and even European countries are starting to ban Israeli products, if you say it has an impact on the economy of course but to stop the war of course not.

But on the other hand, with the boycott of Israeli products, at least this will be positive for entrepreneurs in my country. Because on the one hand there are products that experience a decline in sales, on the other hand there are products that experience an increase in sales, there will be layoffs in one company, and there will be additional employment opportunities in another company. People just move from one product to another, there is no such thing as a decline in people's purchasing power. Muslims have the right to defend Palestine by boycotting these products as support for the Palestinian struggle. If it is said that it will cause losses to one company then it is certain that it will also cause profits for other companies, so don't look at it from just one side.


Title: Re: Boycotting iSrAEl's product? think again.
Post by: serveria.com on December 11, 2023, 09:49:55 AM
PS I really liked the display of "intelligence" of the boycotters, who went and bought a lot of Coca-Cola and poured it down the drain. Bought it and dumped it. Paid money to those who want to be left without money.... I think such a mass boycott, the producers will be very happy ! :)

However, these entrepreneurs also implement strategies related to this issue, especially if their products are also affected, during the profit calculation period at the end of the year if net sales experience a decline, for example in the food and beverage industry due to fast moving consumers.


I’ll just give an example of how Ukraine boycotted the products of the terrorist country - Russia:
Totally ignoring their products, publishing information about Russian brands, ignoring and complaining to stores, retail outlets, and retail chains about the presence of products from a terrorist’s country on their shelves. And you know - both the largest chains and small sellers completely removed such goods in literally a month!
No one bought a single unit in order to “exemplarily destroy”, just a total refusal to purchase goods and mass publication of the facts of the availability of goods in stores or even networks, across all social networks. So that EVERYONE knows - you can’t buy this - this is a terrorist product, if you buy it for even 1 hryvnia, you will pay the terrorists who are destroying peaceful cities of Ukraine!

And at the same time - we help brands whose country of origin helps us in the fight against RUSSHIZM - the USA, many EU countries, and many other countries whose products and goods are sold to us - they helped us, we will help them!

Muahaha... your negative IQ won't let you realize you've done similar thing to the Coca-Cola guy you've mentioned above. The goods in stores actually belong to retailers who have already paid for them to Russian companies. In this case you're punishing your own retailers not Russians.

P.S. BTW, why are you still here? You Motherland wants you to fight for Donbas! Stop cowardly hiding from your duty, don't forget retarded people are also welcome now!  ;D


Title: Re: Boycotting iSrAEl's product? think again.
Post by: MusaPk on December 11, 2023, 10:32:29 AM
Have drastically impact with some countries boycotting Israel products and they loss much money with sell targeted drop drastically since this news publishing to public. In my country some Israel product have drop significant with their transaction in daily day exactly McDonald's, KFC, Starbuck and some cosmetic products. One side with issues boycotting have smart marketing with Israel product with fantastic bonuses offering more than 50% than usually price.
Some time dilemma when Israel product boycotting the local product are not ready with their supply and make price up drastically, in my environment Aqua as mineral water have been boycott and have local product but difficult with get stock due their product sold out in faster moment.

It would be better if you mention which country you belong to, so we get to know where Israel products are being boycotted. Even if local products are not ready to take over imported products then this is time they can cash. Local products must try to improve there standards with no pressure from consumer as they are willing to buy local products at all cost. In Pakistan we don't have Starbuck but there is drastic decrease in sale of McDonald and KFC. Companies like Surf Excel and Ariel are giving good incentives to consumers for sale. Every country must prefer there own products to save foreign reserves and promote local industry.


Title: Re: Boycotting iSrAEl's product? think again.
Post by: ndutndut on December 11, 2023, 10:59:09 AM
Have drastically impact with some countries boycotting Israel products and they loss much money with sell targeted drop drastically since this news publishing to public. In my country some Israel product have drop significant with their transaction in daily day exactly McDonald's, KFC, Starbuck and some cosmetic products. One side with issues boycotting have smart marketing with Israel product with fantastic bonuses offering more than 50% than usually price.
Some time dilemma when Israel product boycotting the local product are not ready with their supply and make price up drastically, in my environment Aqua as mineral water have been boycott and have local product but difficult with get stock due their product sold out in faster moment.

It would be better if you mention which country you belong to, so we get to know where Israel products are being boycotted. Even if local products are not ready to take over imported products then this is time they can cash. Local products must try to improve there standards with no pressure from consumer as they are willing to buy local products at all cost. In Pakistan we don't have Starbuck but there is drastic decrease in sale of McDonald and KFC. Companies like Surf Excel and Ariel are giving good incentives to consumers for sale. Every country must prefer there own products to save foreign reserves and promote local industry.
In my country, Indonesia is also boycotting products affiliated with Israel and this has had a big impact, like McDonald's and KFC now look quiet since the initial call for a boycott was made. There are even local product CEOs who openly support Israel on their social media who are also being boycotted.

I don't know whether this boycott can stop the war, but it must be admitted that this boycott has had a big impact on companies affiliated with Israel experiencing decline or losses. but what is clear is that local entrepreneurs are taking advantage of this boycott moment, because boycotting doesn't mean we stop eating chicken, eating burgers, drinking coffee, bathing, brushing our teeth, washing, etc. But we consume and buy, only products that we buy from companies that do not support or provide benefits for Israel so that they can kill more women and children. they as buyers can choose other products, especially local products, so that the economy continues to run. We can see examples such as Russia, which was embargoed by western countries, but their entrepreneurs took over the business.


Title: Re: Boycotting iSrAEl's product? think again.
Post by: serveria.com on December 11, 2023, 12:54:27 PM
Have drastically impact with some countries boycotting Israel products and they loss much money with sell targeted drop drastically since this news publishing to public. In my country some Israel product have drop significant with their transaction in daily day exactly McDonald's, KFC, Starbuck and some cosmetic products. One side with issues boycotting have smart marketing with Israel product with fantastic bonuses offering more than 50% than usually price.
Some time dilemma when Israel product boycotting the local product are not ready with their supply and make price up drastically, in my environment Aqua as mineral water have been boycott and have local product but difficult with get stock due their product sold out in faster moment.

It would be better if you mention which country you belong to, so we get to know where Israel products are being boycotted. Even if local products are not ready to take over imported products then this is time they can cash. Local products must try to improve there standards with no pressure from consumer as they are willing to buy local products at all cost. In Pakistan we don't have Starbuck but there is drastic decrease in sale of McDonald and KFC. Companies like Surf Excel and Ariel are giving good incentives to consumers for sale. Every country must prefer there own products to save foreign reserves and promote local industry.
In my country, Indonesia is also boycotting products affiliated with Israel and this has had a big impact, like McDonald's and KFC now look quiet since the initial call for a boycott was made. There are even local product CEOs who openly support Israel on their social media who are also being boycotted.

I don't know whether this boycott can stop the war, but it must be admitted that this boycott has had a big impact on companies affiliated with Israel experiencing decline or losses. but what is clear is that local entrepreneurs are taking advantage of this boycott moment, because boycotting doesn't mean we stop eating chicken, eating burgers, drinking coffee, bathing, brushing our teeth, washing, etc. But we consume and buy, only products that we buy from companies that do not support or provide benefits for Israel so that they can kill more women and children. they as buyers can choose other products, especially local products, so that the economy continues to run. We can see examples such as Russia, which was embargoed by western countries, but their entrepreneurs took over the business.

Yes I fully agree, sanctions have very limited impact on country's economy, in fact, in most cases they hurt the economy of the countries trying to enforce them more. And it's not like sanctions stopped to work all of a sudden, no. Sanctions never worked, no country in modern history was hit by sanctions so badly that they changed their mind and their politics completely. So yeah, also in case of Israel, I'm not particularly optimistic regarding about the effect of sanctions.


Title: Re: Boycotting iSrAEl's product? think again.
Post by: |MINER| on December 11, 2023, 03:58:07 PM
A mixed reaction is observed here.  Some are boycotting knowingly, some are boycotting without understanding.  However, according to my personal opinion, Israel should not be supported.  It is a bloodthirsty country.  The situation in Palestine is really sad.  It is better to boycott the products of Israel by which they receive financial support.  My humanity as a human being never supports taking someone's life.  The situation of the Palestinians is really bad.  Just thinking about their condition breaks my heart.  Many innocent people are losing their lives in this war.


Title: Re: Boycotting iSrAEl's product? think again.
Post by: DrBeer on December 11, 2023, 11:20:47 PM
PS I really liked the display of "intelligence" of the boycotters, who went and bought a lot of Coca-Cola and poured it down the drain. Bought it and dumped it. Paid money to those who want to be left without money.... I think such a mass boycott, the producers will be very happy ! :)

However, these entrepreneurs also implement strategies related to this issue, especially if their products are also affected, during the profit calculation period at the end of the year if net sales experience a decline, for example in the food and beverage industry due to fast moving consumers.


I’ll just give an example of how Ukraine boycotted the products of the terrorist country - Russia:
Totally ignoring their products, publishing information about Russian brands, ignoring and complaining to stores, retail outlets, and retail chains about the presence of products from a terrorist’s country on their shelves. And you know - both the largest chains and small sellers completely removed such goods in literally a month!
No one bought a single unit in order to “exemplarily destroy”, just a total refusal to purchase goods and mass publication of the facts of the availability of goods in stores or even networks, across all social networks. So that EVERYONE knows - you can’t buy this - this is a terrorist product, if you buy it for even 1 hryvnia, you will pay the terrorists who are destroying peaceful cities of Ukraine!

And at the same time - we help brands whose country of origin helps us in the fight against RUSSHIZM - the USA, many EU countries, and many other countries whose products and goods are sold to us - they helped us, we will help them!

Muahaha... your negative IQ won't let you realize you've done similar thing to the Coca-Cola guy you've mentioned above. The goods in stores actually belong to retailers who have already paid for them to Russian companies. In this case you're punishing your own retailers not Russians.

P.S. BTW, why are you still here? You Motherland wants you to fight for Donbas! Stop cowardly hiding from your duty, don't forget retarded people are also welcome now!  ;D

Watching you, with interest, I realize how harsh the sanctions are on Russia. Medicine is ruined, drugs to treat and improve patients with severe mental disorders are not on the Russian market at all  ;D ;D ;D

Let me explain for you - before the terrorist attack on Ukraine, many companies from Ukraine supplied many Russian goods to the Ukrainian market. And it was Russia's terrorist attack in Ukraine that caused these connections to be stopped. Some businesses tried to pretend that "business is out of politics" and bought Russian goods. The people of Ukraine showed them not to do that. It was these businesses that suffered losses by buying but not selling goods from a terrorist country. So very soon, the flow of goods from Russia dried up :) And it has 2 positive sides at once - we minimized the profit of Russian producers, and replaced low-quality Russian goods with goods of Western companies, of higher quality and acceptable price :)

PS some of your painful and pathetic attacks I'll just ignore, I understand - it's hard for you without sedatives and antidepressants :)


Title: Re: Boycotting iSrAEl's product? think again.
Post by: Kelward on December 13, 2023, 01:47:23 PM
When there are conflicts or wars between nations, people like to take sides and stand in solidarity with either of the nation that they support. I've experienced people boycotting the products of countries that they don't support,  inasmuch as it's within ones right to choose how to spend their money, boycotting popular international brands because the founder is from a country that you don't support affects the workforce of a country that you support, because it's an international brand.

An example of this is when some south African natives, will riot and kill other Africans in their country for taking over their workforce, in retaliation hudloms, will destroy and bourn down some south African, business in Nigeria. And when this happens thousands of Nigerians, that work in this companies jobs gets affected.

So for me if CEOs or small business owners don't take sides in a war or conflict, then there's really no need to boycott or destroy their investments.


Title: Re: Boycotting iSrAEl's product? think again.
Post by: pooya87 on December 13, 2023, 02:40:56 PM
Yes I fully agree, sanctions have very limited impact on country's economy, in fact, in most cases they hurt the economy of the countries trying to enforce them more. And it's not like sanctions stopped to work all of a sudden, no. Sanctions never worked, no country in modern history was hit by sanctions so badly that they changed their mind and their politics completely.
That's not exactly correct.
You see when talking about effectiveness of sanctions there are a handful of things that decide their effectiveness. I'd say the three most important factors are: [1] duration, [2] scale (how much of the country's economy they target and what percentage of the world complies with them) and [3] the capabilities of the targeted country.

Lets look at 4 examples:
1. Iraq
This is a good case of a [1] "long" and [2] "large scale" sanction on a country with [3] little domestic potential for self reliance that succeeded.
In early 1990 after the US ally, the Iraqi dictator Saddam failed in his invasion of its neighbor Iran, they started getting sanctioned specially after he invaded Kuwait. [3] Iraq already had lost a lot in its futile 8 year invasion attempt including infrastructure and the country was in a huge debt.
The sanctions were [2] enforced globally which basically isolated the country. That meant lots of crisis in the country, even food crisis where large number of people are reported to starve to death because of the sanctions. These sanctions remained in place for [1] about 10 years that slowly weakened Iraq and forced them to willingly accept being disarmed which paved the way for the US/NATO invasion in 2003 and destruction of the country by US and over a million Iraqis killed!

2. Iran
This is a good case of the [1] "longest" and [2] "largest scale" of sanctions (most number of sanctions for the longest period of time) against a country with [3] a massive domestic potential for self reliance.
Ever since [1] 1979 revolution when Iranians kicked the US backed dictator and US out of their country, the US sanctions began and they've only increased in number and enforcement scale to this day.
However, the results on Iran has been completely opposite of Iraq because they could never isolate Iran nor could they damage Iran's domestic production and scientific advancement that helped the country become self reliant even in high tech field.
Of course these sanctions affected Iran's economy a lot and even led to some social unrest but they could never achieve their true goal which was to topple democracy and reinstall the US backed dictatorship to steal Iranian natural resources.

3. Saudi Arabia
This is a good example of a country that is not sanctioned but has nearly [3] zero domestic potential to become self reliant.
Experts suggest that if someday Saudi dictatorship is sanctioned, it will fall in a matter of days! The reason is simple, over the decades when Saudi dictators was obeying US orders, they were never allowed to build any kind of infrastructure and more than 80% of the country's needs are imported because that's what forces them to remain a US "colony" and ensure survival of Petrodollar.

4. Russia
Now we can talk about why sanctions haven't worked on Russia.
- First of all Russia was sanctioned [1] a little more than a year ago. 10 years from now it could be a different story assuming the New World Order fails (which is unlikely) but a year is not enough to claim that sanctions are ineffective.
- Secondly, these sanctions are [2] NOT enforced globally. Basically it is only US that has sanctioned Russia and some of the European countries complying with it and only partially (eg. they still continue buying Russian LNG or they still continue exporting vehicles to Russia, etc.) and the rest of the world doesn't really care (eg. India, Turkey, China, etc. still have economic relations with Russia).
- Finally Russia [3] has a decent domestic potential for self reliance. Having vast amount of energy, many factories and infrastructure helps greatly.

So yeah, also in case of Israel, I'm not particularly optimistic regarding about the effect of sanctions.
Now lets look at Israel.
  • First of all boycott is not the same as sanctions which are enforced by the countries/governments so it's the law. This is more like a movement by the regular people. So its effectiveness is not going to be the same as sanctions but at the same time it will have an impact. For example I already covered the effects it had on Israel linked companies such as Starbucks.
  • Secondly the duration is not yet long. It's only been a matter of weeks, the impact is going to be seen if this movement continues and it becomes years.
  • Finally the Zionist regime needs foreign aid to continue working. If the 340 million American + 750 million European tax payers stop paying Israel hundreds of billions of dollars annually, the regime would stop functioning. That's despite the domestic capabilities of the regime. We are moving in that direction too but it may take longer, which could be called actual sanctions.


Title: Re: Boycotting iSrAEl's product? think again.
Post by: serveria.com on December 13, 2023, 09:05:03 PM
That's not exactly correct.
You see when talking about effectiveness of sanctions there are a handful of things that decide their effectiveness. I'd say the three most important factors are: [1] duration, [2] scale (how much of the country's economy they target and what percentage of the world complies with them) and [3] the capabilities of the targeted country.

Lets look at 4 examples:
1. Iraq
This is a good case of a [1] "long" and [2] "large scale" sanction on a country with [3] little domestic potential for self reliance that succeeded.
In early 1990 after the US ally, the Iraqi dictator Saddam failed in his invasion of its neighbor Iran, they started getting sanctioned specially after he invaded Kuwait. [3] Iraq already had lost a lot in its futile 8 year invasion attempt including infrastructure and the country was in a huge debt.
The sanctions were [2] enforced globally which basically isolated the country. That meant lots of crisis in the country, even food crisis where large number of people are reported to starve to death because of the sanctions. These sanctions remained in place for [1] about 10 years that slowly weakened Iraq and forced them to willingly accept being disarmed which paved the way for the US/NATO invasion in 2003 and destruction of the country by US and over a million Iraqis killed!

2. Iran
This is a good case of the [1] "longest" and [2] "largest scale" of sanctions (most number of sanctions for the longest period of time) against a country with [3] a massive domestic potential for self reliance.
Ever since [1] 1979 revolution when Iranians kicked the US backed dictator and US out of their country, the US sanctions began and they've only increased in number and enforcement scale to this day.
However, the results on Iran has been completely opposite of Iraq because they could never isolate Iran nor could they damage Iran's domestic production and scientific advancement that helped the country become self reliant even in high tech field.
Of course these sanctions affected Iran's economy a lot and even led to some social unrest but they could never achieve their true goal which was to topple democracy and reinstall the US backed dictatorship to steal Iranian natural resources.

3. Saudi Arabia
This is a good example of a country that is not sanctioned but has nearly [3] zero domestic potential to become self reliant.
Experts suggest that if someday Saudi dictatorship is sanctioned, it will fall in a matter of days! The reason is simple, over the decades when Saudi dictators was obeying US orders, they were never allowed to build any kind of infrastructure and more than 80% of the country's needs are imported because that's what forces them to remain a US "colony" and ensure survival of Petrodollar.

4. Russia
Now we can talk about why sanctions haven't worked on Russia.
- First of all Russia was sanctioned [1] a little more than a year ago. 10 years from now it could be a different story assuming the New World Order fails (which is unlikely) but a year is not enough to claim that sanctions are ineffective.
- Secondly, these sanctions are [2] NOT enforced globally. Basically it is only US that has sanctioned Russia and some of the European countries complying with it and only partially (eg. they still continue buying Russian LNG or they still continue exporting vehicles to Russia, etc.) and the rest of the world doesn't really care (eg. India, Turkey, China, etc. still have economic relations with Russia).
- Finally Russia [3] has a decent domestic potential for self reliance. Having vast amount of energy, many factories and infrastructure helps greatly.
Actually, all 4 examples just prove my point that sanctions don't work. Saddam was never overthrown by Iraqi people he was captured and executed by US military after the full-scale invasion.

When speaking about sanctions, I always mention Cuba. This tiny island had been under sanctions for more than 60 years. Yet, no change had been achieved politically. Of course, the people there are suffering because of embargo but apparently things are not that bad as no pro-American movement had emerged there. Another good example is North Korea. Again, no effect from the sanctions. 

Quote from: pooya87
Now lets look at Israel.
  • First of all boycott is not the same as sanctions which are enforced by the countries/governments so it's the law. This is more like a movement by the regular people. So its effectiveness is not going to be the same as sanctions but at the same time it will have an impact. For example I already covered the effects it had on Israel linked companies such as Starbucks.
  • Secondly the duration is not yet long. It's only been a matter of weeks, the impact is going to be seen if this movement continues and it becomes years.
  • Finally the Zionist regime needs foreign aid to continue working. If the 340 million American + 750 million European tax payers stop paying Israel hundreds of billions of dollars annually, the regime would stop functioning. That's despite the domestic capabilities of the regime. We are moving in that direction too but it may take longer, which could be called actual sanctions.
Yes, I agree this is somewhat different, that's why I said I'm not particularly optimistic but I can't exclude that it might also work.


Title: Re: Boycotting iSrAEl's product? think again.
Post by: armanda90 on December 14, 2023, 04:05:19 AM
Boycotting Israel product have been success in Morocco, popular coffee shop Starbucks and clothing brand H&M have been close permanently since December 3, 2023. I think Countries with Muslim majority are very easy to accept calls to boycott products affiliated with support for Israel in the midst of their invasion of Palestine. Yesterday in my country success make another Spanish clothing brand ZARA dropped their values after promoting new cloth with promoting their advertisements or brands with the concept of genocide committed by Israel against Palestine.
Since Israel still not invasion to Palestine I don't think boycotting with Israel or product affiliated supported Israel will stop from boycotting and potential have the next country after Morocco will close permanently all Israel product. My country Indonesia still popular with boycotting Israel product although still not close permanently operation but their sales fell quite drastically.


Title: Re: Boycotting iSrAEl's product? think again.
Post by: BitcoinTurk on December 14, 2023, 10:43:53 AM
When we analyze the countries that boycott many big brands often claiming that they are Israeli products, we can see that many of them are actually not very developed. In other words, if a social media influencer shares a post about these brands being Israeli products, there are thousands/millions of people who may make an action to boycott that brands.

Especially when I see people who think that they are boycotting these companies by dumping, burning or otherwise damaging these products after purchasing the products of many companies that are claimed to be Israeli companies, I am not surprised that there are people who start a boycott campaign by writing a few companies without any research.


Title: Re: Boycotting iSrAEl's product? think again.
Post by: DrBeer on December 14, 2023, 11:52:58 AM
Another interesting nuance - can anyone name the fact that when the Hamas terrorist organization attacked Israel, there were calls for a boycott of brands and goods that Palestinians produce or own ? NO ! What does that mean ? It means that the boycott in this case is not for just punishment but for hype. And probably someone is just manipulating the "outraged masses" to solve their mercantile problems :)


Title: Re: Boycotting iSrAEl's product? think again.
Post by: Unbunplease on December 14, 2023, 04:17:07 PM
Any firm can always use subsidiary firms or partner firms if the people of a particular country start boycotting the goods of the producing country. Therefore, is there any point in a personal boycott if no country-level sanctions have been imposed? And there are always parallel imports


Title: Re: Boycotting iSrAEl's product? think again.
Post by: coupable on December 14, 2023, 04:36:53 PM
If you know that the company completely standa with Israel then you don't have to ask yourself if you have to boycott them or not, there's only one answer to that, if your military is killing children and bombing hospitals because you thought that the Hamas is hiding there then you know that there's something wrong with that company supporting that country as they like to call themselves. Also, there's nothing wrong with mistakenly boycotting a company, that just makes them speak on the issue so the boycotts will stop, if McDonald's want to stop the boycotts, they just got to take sides.
I will agree with you that the boycott policy can succeed and that it is one of the most important means of putting pressure on major companies. However, there is a specificity regarding the Palestinian issue for several considerations, the most important of which is that the companies supporting one of the parties to the conflict in a particular country are the same as supporting the other party to the conflict in another country. Also, any company whose goal is essentially profit will not care much about who wins and who loses in a conflict that is more than 70 years old, unless the result will affect its revenues.
I believe in the boycott policy when a certain company violates market rules, but to be boycotted internationally because of its position is the closest thing to injustice, especially since this is impossible to generalize.
Meta Company explicitly supports Israel and many other technology companies. Do you know people who boycotted Facebook?
These are emotional decisions that have a circumstantial impact and nothing more.

LOL. I see like almost 5 Nestle brands in that picture.

Nestle has done far worse things than picking sides in any particular war, and people have been boycotting them for decades, but the blood-thirsty company continues to buy up other businesses and hurt more people by making things prohibitively expensive for them.
To be honest, I want to see the CEO of Nestle die in a horrible way, that company is the most evil company there together with BlackRock, Vanguard, Raytheon and Lockheed Martin.
Do you really mean what you say? Could an ideological position lead you to want to see someone die in a horrific way?
One of the oddities of this Palestinian-Zionist conflict is that all its parties justify their inhumane thoughts and actions under the pretext of their belief in humanity.
Unfortunately, there are not many rational people with whom one can discuss this terrible defect in people's minds.


Title: Re: Boycotting iSrAEl's product? think again.
Post by: DrBeer on December 15, 2023, 11:01:13 AM
Any firm can always use subsidiary firms or partner firms if the people of a particular country start boycotting the goods of the producing country. Therefore, is there any point in a personal boycott if no country-level sanctions have been imposed? And there are always parallel imports

Such a scenario is possible, and is realized if global INTERNATIONAL sanctions are imposed, such as against the terrorist country russia. They use gaskets like Iran, China, North Korea, Armenia and some other countries for gray exports.  But the scheme is also specific, there are many nuances..... And here is a local problem, and the causes of the problem have been "forgotten", and now they are trying to make Israel itself guilty for the attack on Israel....
The second problem in the framework of the topic - boycott of Israeli goods will directly hit the Palestinians themselves, because more than 200,000 well-paid jobs were given to them by Israel and Israeli companies. So it is these employees who are most likely to suffer.
Third, the supporters of the "boycott" do not produce alternatives with high quality and excellent consumer characteristics. That is, they are simply calling for an additional reduction in their standard of living.


Title: Re: Boycotting iSrAEl's product? think again.
Post by: serveria.com on December 15, 2023, 02:23:06 PM
And here is a local problem, and the causes of the problem have been "forgotten", and now they are trying to make Israel itself guilty for the attack on Israel....
Nobody is blaming Israel for defending themselves, I'm blaming Israel for almost 20k civilian casualties (including children), about 50k injured civilians, city of Gaza reduced to rubble. I mean they're so merciless - they were not particularly cautious when choosing targets for airstrikes: they bombed hospitals, schools, universities, they even killed most of the Israeli hostages HAMAS captured during their raids. They just don't care. And you're saying Putin is a bloody monster?  ;D

Quote from: DrBeer
Third, the supporters of the "boycott" do not produce alternatives with high quality and excellent consumer characteristics. That is, they are simply calling for an additional reduction in their standard of living.
Now tell me please, as a Ukrainian: do you care about your standard of living reducing now during the war? I think Palestinians feel the same. The main thing is to survive as a nation not consume quality goods.


Title: Re: Boycotting iSrAEl's product? think again.
Post by: goldkingcoiner on December 15, 2023, 02:30:39 PM
I heard of an app which supposedly was made to identify Israeli products but that was quickly shut down by the typical social justice keyboard warriors. But in all honesty, those disgusting companies in OP's list only care about money. They are not truly supportive of either side just like they are not actually supportive of gay rights when they paint their logo with rainbow colors during the "pride month". It is nothing but pandering to the highest/most popular bidder and I think that nobody should be as naive as to believe otherwise. The CEOs of these products are demons who would sell their own mother for a penny. They see this war as an opportunity to market their products. Thats it. Nothing more.

And the people who are supposedly "boycotting" the "bad" products are playing into their game.



Title: Re: Boycotting iSrAEl's product? think again.
Post by: Davian144 on December 15, 2023, 02:32:43 PM
A mixed reaction is observed here.  Some are boycotting knowingly, some are boycotting without understanding.  However, according to my personal opinion, Israel should not be supported.  It is a bloodthirsty country.  The situation in Palestine is really sad.  It is better to boycott the products of Israel by which they receive financial support.  My humanity as a human being never supports taking someone's life.  The situation of the Palestinians is really bad.  Just thinking about their condition breaks my heart.  Many innocent people are losing their lives in this war.

This can be seen from many media today so that it is normal for the majority of the Muslim and non-Muslim population to boycott products that support Israel. But what we need to find out now is what the actual condition of Israel is at the moment because many Israelis living in Tel Aviv have left the city after repeated Hamas attacks fell there.

And in general, there are many western media who deliberately cover up the current condition of the state of Israel in order to make it appear that they are still strong enough to survive. Even though there are many losses experienced by Israel through war and boycotting products that support it, as well as the participation of the Yemeni Houthis in helping Palestine via the Red Sea route in blocking every ship carrying logistics for Israel.


Title: Re: Boycotting iSrAEl's product? think again.
Post by: bounceback on December 15, 2023, 03:30:03 PM
This can be seen from many media today so that it is normal for the majority of the Muslim and non-Muslim population to boycott products that support Israel. But what we need to find out now is what the actual condition of Israel is at the moment because many Israelis living in Tel Aviv have left the city after repeated Hamas attacks fell there.

And in general, there are many western media who deliberately cover up the current condition of the state of Israel in order to make it appear that they are still strong enough to survive. Even though there are many losses experienced by Israel through war and boycotting products that support it, as well as the participation of the Yemeni Houthis in helping Palestine via the Red Sea route in blocking every ship carrying logistics for Israel.
Boycotting Israel product not only followed by the majority of the Muslim population but also by non-Muslims, I think boycotting is not only about what majority of Palestine religion as Muslim but also with human right how brutal invasion did by Israel and killed many Palestine person from children until old people. I can't believable with some medias have bad report their news only take care what Hamas did for Israel citizen but they blame what did by Israel soldier killed many Palestine kids.

The invasion have stop as soon possibility and both side not get any victim yet in the future, I think enough how many people have been pass away and they have loss with their home. For the near moment I wish both side have invasion conflict could get freedom and they have proposed a ceasefire how to protect the citizen from bad happening again.


Title: Re: Boycotting iSrAEl's product? think again.
Post by: MFahad on December 15, 2023, 04:16:44 PM


There are many organizations and people in Asia are boycotting Israel's product because they're stand with Palestine. But I see it's really wrong because they mixed up both Western brands and Israel brands as they boycotting brands like: McDonald, Fanta, Garnier, Nestea, Starbucks etc. I'm not sure what's their reason to do that, but I take McDonald as the example, they boycotting McDonald because McDonald's franchise in Israel is supporting Israel.

Asians are boycotting Israeli products. The reason for this is that Israel has crossed all limits of cruelty and brutality in Palestine. First of all, what is the role of a brand McDonald's in this fight, and if it has to support someone, at least support the victim.He is supporting the oppressor instead of the oppressed, so he should be boycotted not only by the people of Asia, but by the whole world. The second thing is that no common man can eat in McDonald's, but only rich people visit here, so I think boycotting it will not have any bad effect on the economy, but for the employees working in it difficulties may arise, but it will also affect McDonald's.

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Think smarter, don't ruin the economy in your country because of sUppOrTInG PaLEStinE by doing that.

The economy of a country is never destroyed by boycotting the products of another country, but the economy is strengthened, because we have to import all these things from outside. Instead of depending on others, you should make your own things, so as to save your precious foreign exchange.


Title: Re: Boycotting iSrAEl's product? think again.
Post by: DrBeer on December 15, 2023, 05:33:41 PM
And here is a local problem, and the causes of the problem have been "forgotten", and now they are trying to make Israel itself guilty for the attack on Israel....
Nobody is blaming Israel for defending themselves, I'm blaming Israel for almost 20k civilian casualties (including children), about 50k injured civilians, city of Gaza reduced to rubble. I mean they're so merciless - they were not particularly cautious when choosing targets for airstrikes: they bombed hospitals, schools, universities, they even killed most of the Israeli hostages HAMAS captured during their raids. They just don't care. And you're saying Putin is a bloody monster?  ;D

Quote from: DrBeer
Third, the supporters of the "boycott" do not produce alternatives with high quality and excellent consumer characteristics. That is, they are simply calling for an additional reduction in their standard of living.
Now tell me please, as a Ukrainian: do you care about your standard of living reducing now during the war? I think Palestinians feel the same. The main thing is to survive as a nation not consume quality goods.


Okay, let's assume that you're sclerotic. Do I need to remind you where this all started? A massive massacre by Hamas with the support of Palestinian civilians. Murder, violence, kidnapping, torture, marauding, most of the victims civilians. Israel has the right to defend itself and destroy terrorists. Hamas, as a terrorist organization, has no right to exist. Hamas has no right to cover itself with the civilians of the Gaza Strip. The big picture is as follows: Israel was subjected to a terrorist bloody attack, and began the rightful destruction of terrorists who made civilians hostages .... Now do you realize who to "thank" for the dead Gazans ? If not, I will assume that you also demanded to punish the USSR, Britain, USA and others for the destruction of German Nazism in 1945, when, unfortunately, civilians and civilian supporters of Nazism, also became victims of the international coalition strike. Well, or the last option - you have frankly double standards.

Regarding Ukraine - yes, our standard of living is obviously not in the best condition, but we, like Israel, are victims of terrorist aggression, and we also destroy terrorists both on our own soil and on the territory of the terrorist country.

Or do you "accidentally" not understand the parallels in the situation, and confuse victims and their victims and forced hostages ?


Title: Re: Boycotting iSrAEl's product? think again.
Post by: el kaka22 on December 15, 2023, 08:34:05 PM
I have never understood boycotting "company" because you hate a "nation", you can boycott a nation, that would make sense, if you hate a nation then do not buy products from that nation directly, but boycotting a company?

What did the company ever do to you or anyone else. Like McDonalds for example, they are responsible for making burgers, that's literally their job, by not buying any burgers from them then you are not really helping any cause at all, or starbucks, if you are not drinking coffee from them then it makes no sense neither, it's just not hurting any nation, you think Isreal will stop because you didn't buy a burger or a cup of coffee? That never made sense to me at all. By the way, don't do that anyway, burgers are bad for you, and too much coffee is terrible for your health as well, boycott aside, you shouldn't get them anyway.


Title: Re: Boycotting iSrAEl's product? think again.
Post by: Alpha Marine on December 16, 2023, 12:40:32 PM
I’ll just give an example of how Ukraine boycotted the products of the terrorist country - Russia:
Totally ignoring their products, publishing information about Russian brands, ignoring and complaining to stores, retail outlets, and retail chains about the presence of products from a terrorist’s country on their shelves. And you know - both the largest chains and small sellers completely removed such goods in literally a month!
No one bought a single unit in order to “exemplarily destroy”, just a total refusal to purchase goods and mass publication of the facts of the availability of goods in stores or even networks, across all social networks. So that EVERYONE knows - you can’t buy this - this is a terrorist product, if you buy it for even 1 hryvnia, you will pay the terrorists who are destroying peaceful cities of Ukraine!

I guess why this was able to work well in the case of Ukraine is that the war directly affects them. When something directly affects people they tend to do something about it. Every Ukrainian knows the impact of using Russian products in the war, however insignificant it might seem.
In the case of boycotting Israeli products, the other Muslim countries and the rest of the world are not directly affected by the war. We may point out how the war affects economies and all, but it doesn't affect people directly.
In my country, very few people care if the product is Russian or Israeli, but if we were in Ukraine's or Palestine's position we would be aware of those tiny details.


Title: Re: Boycotting iSrAEl's product? think again.
Post by: DrBeer on January 07, 2024, 04:16:53 PM
A question to "fighters for justice" and boycott those who "harm Muslim brothers": recently hackers broke into Chinese Communist bases, and posted a huge amount of information (including thousands of photos from concentration camps) about Muslims imprisoned in inhumane conditions, subjected to violence, persecution, religious ban, and physical torture.

Can you please tell me why I don't see your topics "Boycott Chinese products" or "Holy war on the yuan to destroy the anti-Muslim regime of the Chinese Communist Party" ? Is it your "selectivity" towards your brothers and faith, fear, or something else ?
Very interesting to hear the answers !  But I assume that they (reasonable answers) will not be, well, at most - accusation of Zionism :) And there will be no reasoned answers, and you yourself understand why ! :)

PS Lack of intelligible answers about the reasons for the absence of calls to the boycott of Chinese products, or a primitive accusation of Zionism or something like a far -fetched one, will be the best evidence that all this "anti -Israeli" hype is a consequence of primitive propaganda, and it does not support any interests of Muslims, and does not protect ! And it is only a cheap manipulation, to achieve someone’s mercantile interests, through the fractions of ordinary, gullible people who do not have to deeply understand the essence of the problem.


Title: Re: Boycotting iSrAEl's product? think again.
Post by: electronicash on January 07, 2024, 05:58:23 PM
A question to "fighters for justice" and boycott those who "harm Muslim brothers": recently hackers broke into Chinese Communist bases, and posted a huge amount of information (including thousands of photos from concentration camps) about Muslims imprisoned in inhumane conditions, subjected to violence, persecution, religious ban, and physical torture.

Can you please tell me why I don't see your topics "Boycott Chinese products" or "Holy war on the yuan to destroy the anti-Muslim regime of the Chinese Communist Party" ? Is it your "selectivity" towards your brothers and faith, fear, or something else ?
Very interesting to hear the answers !  But I assume that they (reasonable answers) will not be, well, at most - accusation of Zionism :) And there will be no reasoned answers, and you yourself understand why ! :)

PS Lack of intelligible answers about the reasons for the absence of calls to the boycott of Chinese products, or a primitive accusation of Zionism or something like a far -fetched one, will be the best evidence that all this "anti -Israeli" hype is a consequence of primitive propaganda, and it does not support any interests of Muslims, and does not protect ! And it is only a cheap manipulation, to achieve someone’s mercantile interests, through the fractions of ordinary, gullible people who do not have to deeply understand the essence of the problem.

they can't ban Chinese products because if they did, they would be banning everything even the phones. when it comes to products we're all benefiting from the cheap products of China although the companies that operate there are mostly from the West. effectively banning the products from China means banning the companies that produce the products we are used to using.

but i think the war in the Red Sea may prevent the Chinese products from passing that route thereby the supply chain choked. that could be an answer to what you want.



Title: Re: Boycotting iSrAEl's product? think again.
Post by: 0t3p0t on January 07, 2024, 06:42:43 PM
A question to "fighters for justice" and boycott those who "harm Muslim brothers": recently hackers broke into Chinese Communist bases, and posted a huge amount of information (including thousands of photos from concentration camps) about Muslims imprisoned in inhumane conditions, subjected to violence, persecution, religious ban, and physical torture.

Can you please tell me why I don't see your topics "Boycott Chinese products" or "Holy war on the yuan to destroy the anti-Muslim regime of the Chinese Communist Party" ? Is it your "selectivity" towards your brothers and faith, fear, or something else ?
Very interesting to hear the answers !  But I assume that they (reasonable answers) will not be, well, at most - accusation of Zionism :) And there will be no reasoned answers, and you yourself understand why ! :)

PS Lack of intelligible answers about the reasons for the absence of calls to the boycott of Chinese products, or a primitive accusation of Zionism or something like a far -fetched one, will be the best evidence that all this "anti -Israeli" hype is a consequence of primitive propaganda, and it does not support any interests of Muslims, and does not protect ! And it is only a cheap manipulation, to achieve someone’s mercantile interests, through the fractions of ordinary, gullible people who do not have to deeply understand the essence of the problem.
I like this comment of you mate, though I am not a muslim but I am also concerned on what the communist party did to our muslim brothers and sisters in Xinjiang. But we heard nothing about this right now because of Chinese propaganda that blinded the world. If Asians has to boycott a specific country's products that would be Chinese products. Why? It is because China not only cause misinformation and instability in the region but also poses biggest threat to it's neighbors and other countries. Remember debt trap? The massacre of 64 Vietnamese soldiers in the Spratly Islands? The baseless 9-10 dash lines? The incident in Galwan Valley? The pandemic? How about spy balloons? Chinese agression in the West Philippine Sea? It's plans to attack Taiwan? There's a lot more but were covered by propaganda.  But why can't we come up or even hear the word "boycott Chinese products"? It is because most of us are dependent with Chinese products. We Asians always say that Chinese products are in poor quality but we can't stop buying it. 😆

With regards to the topic, it is not Israel who started the war it is the proxy  terrorists. Why terrorists? Because Hamas made civilians their human shield and they are proxy of Iran who wanted to destroy Israel. And now we can hear Palestinians and it's supporters calling for boycott to products of companies who supported Israel so why not Israel boycott the Iranian products, the Turkish products, the Omani products and other products that came from those who supported Palestine?


Title: Re: Boycotting iSrAEl's product? think again.
Post by: Crypto Library on January 07, 2024, 07:13:44 PM
There are many organizations and people in Asia are boycotting Israel's product because they're stand with Palestine. But I see it's really wrong because they mixed up both Western brands and Israel brands as they boycotting brands like: McDonald, Fanta, Garnier, Nestea, Starbucks etc. I'm not sure what's their reason to do that, but I take McDonald as the example, they boycotting McDonald because McDonald's franchise in Israel is supporting Israel.
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If you want to support Palestine, find the trusted charity in your respective country and make a donation on there.
Think smarter, don't ruin the economy in your country because of sUppOrTInG PaLEStinE by doing that.
Don't wanna say anything about whether Israel product should boycotted or not, but the one thing i know that a single innocent people should not die for no reason be it an israeli be it a Palestinian. But the current situation is at this point all products that support Israel genocide, should be boycotted.  The oppression of Palestinians makes my heart bleed.  How mercilessly the Israeli army is killing the Palestinians.  It's so heartbreaking!  We all should live peacefully. Calling everyone for peace.  What is the point of carrying out this destruction? However, if you boycott the product, you should definitely know.  It is better to boycott the products that support Israel.  Because the life of the Palestinians is getting more worser. No product should be boycotted without proper knowledge. This will harm many innocent people.  Many people will lose their jobs, the company will be closed.  So first we need to know properly and then take action.


Title: Re: Boycotting iSrAEl's product? think again.
Post by: BenCodie on January 08, 2024, 08:58:08 PM
But I see it's really wrong because they mixed up both Western brands and Israel brands as they boycotting brands like: McDonald, Fanta, Garnier, Nestea, Starbucks etc. I'm not sure what's their reason to do that

No one mixed up anything...it's a correct conclusion. If you look at the top of major US corporations, if you look at the elite positions if power, etc. You will notice something similar about their interests, their network and their background...Once you have a closer look, you'll be unsure no longer.

Think smarter, don't ruin the economy in your country because of sUppOrTInG PaLEStinE by doing that.

You're not ruining an economy for not supporting international franchises. People will shop locally instead, which is better for a population and an economy in many ways than buying fast food at McDonald's.

It seems people are forgetting that fast food is bad for you? Mcdonald's and similar companies should have been boycotted the moment they started selling ridiculously low health grade food.


Title: Re: Boycotting iSrAEl's product? think again.
Post by: DrBeer on January 08, 2024, 09:18:07 PM
A question to "fighters for justice" and boycott those who "harm Muslim brothers": recently hackers broke into Chinese Communist bases, and posted a huge amount of information (including thousands of photos from concentration camps) about Muslims imprisoned in inhumane conditions, subjected to violence, persecution, religious ban, and physical torture.

Can you please tell me why I don't see your topics "Boycott Chinese products" or "Holy war on the yuan to destroy the anti-Muslim regime of the Chinese Communist Party" ? Is it your "selectivity" towards your brothers and faith, fear, or something else ?
Very interesting to hear the answers !  But I assume that they (reasonable answers) will not be, well, at most - accusation of Zionism :) And there will be no reasoned answers, and you yourself understand why ! :)

PS Lack of intelligible answers about the reasons for the absence of calls to the boycott of Chinese products, or a primitive accusation of Zionism or something like a far -fetched one, will be the best evidence that all this "anti -Israeli" hype is a consequence of primitive propaganda, and it does not support any interests of Muslims, and does not protect ! And it is only a cheap manipulation, to achieve someone’s mercantile interests, through the fractions of ordinary, gullible people who do not have to deeply understand the essence of the problem.

they can't ban Chinese products because if they did, they would be banning everything even the phones. when it comes to products we're all benefiting from the cheap products of China although the companies that operate there are mostly from the West. effectively banning the products from China means banning the companies that produce the products we are used to using.

but i think the war in the Red Sea may prevent the Chinese products from passing that route thereby the supply chain choked. that could be an answer to what you want.

From simple to complex...
1. Iranian, Chinese ships pass through without any problems. And since the very beginning of the sea tetror by the Houthis.

2. "When it comes to products we're all benefiting from the cheap products of China although the companies that operate there are mostly from the West. effectively banning the products from China means banning the companies that produce the products we are used to using." - I.e. blood brothers, co-religionists are harassed, you should boycott if they are products of Israeli origin, which you hardly consume. But if it is inexpensive and familiar, and often used, then the priority is given to trinkets from China, because they are used to them and it is available, and a million Muslim brothers - let them continue to be tortured in prisons !?? Are you serious !?
Seems like a very ridiculous excuse..... It's even worse if it's true !


Title: Re: Boycotting iSrAEl's product? think again.
Post by: pooya87 on January 09, 2024, 06:29:54 AM
But we heard nothing about this right now
You are confused about what this is because @DrBeer as a propagandist deliberately avoided using anything specific in his comment and stuck to general terms. For example he never uses the word "Uyghur" to let you do your own research into what he is talking about when he says "Boycott Chinese products because they harm Muslim brothers"

TL;DR: To translate his propaganda in a short sentence it would be: "Why aren't Muslims sanctioning China for fighting the Pan-Turk separatist minority in their country who have a history of joining ISIS".

To expand, this is one of the oldest propagandas that existed. It talks about a minority Turks known as Uyghurs that don't really have anything to do with Muslims (they are more categorized as radicals and are closer to ISIS ideology rather than Islam as it is clear from the large number of them that have joined this terrorist organization). They live among the 20+ million Muslims in Xinjiang, China as only part of that population. Their radical ideology is not just close to ISIS but also close to other terrorist organizations such as Israel:
https://www.timesofisrael.com/uighur-militants-in-syria-look-to-zionism-as-model-for-their-homeland/
This is particularly why @DrBeer as a Zionist likes to support these radicals and spread the propaganda that they are "Muslims in need of help" comparing them with innocent Palestinians who are being murdered as we speak by the Zionists.

Another thing is that this propaganda will never tell you that these Uyghurs (which @DrBeer claims deserve support!!!) have committed countless terrorist attacks in China and multiple other countries. To name a few in 2014 they murdered 33 civilians in a bus station in Kunming China by attacking them with knives, or their terrorist attack on a Temple in Taiwan in 2014 and another bombing in 2015 Bangkok killing dozens and wounding hundreds of civilians in these two attacks.

According to Israeli sources more than 5000 Takfiri terrorists that participated in terrorist attacks in Syria over the past decade have been from Uyghur Turks which Israel supports!!! They particularly cooperate with Al-Nusra, ISIS and A-Qaeda which are all terrorist groups.

Feel free to research these things and compare that with the terrorist organization known as Israel dropping 65000 tonnes of bombs on Gaza in 89 days murdering 22000+ civilians majority of which are women and children, so that you can conclude for yourself whether Chinese products should be sanctioned or the Zionist products!


Title: Re: Boycotting iSrAEl's product? think again.
Post by: puloweh555 on January 09, 2024, 02:16:01 PM
The disaster of war was the biggest storm in the history of human civilization. Earthquakes, tsunamis, volcanic eruptions, tornadoes, etc. are very powerful. You cannot imagine how devastating the impact of war is compared to other natural disasters.

War not only causes loss of life, property and serious damage like other major disasters, but its impact is truly terrible. The prolonged terror of war makes life less peaceful and comfortable, the safety of life is always threatened. families are at stake, children and mothers... up to 24 hours day and night, body and soul feel tormented, miserable, struggling, suffering and tormented. This is all happening in Palestine right now, it is true that baikot cannot stop the war, but as humans who still have a sense of humanity but cannot do much, then baikot is one of the real actions that we can take. Even though Baikot did not stop the war, at least the world knows that almost half of the people in the world want this war to stop and give independence to Palestine.

I see this boycott as our compassion for the suffering of humans experiencing genocide and torture. Apart from that, this boycott also provides benefits for some countries, especially for my country to develop. because domestic products cannot compete with Zionist products in their own country. By carrying out this boycott, it is hoped that we can win the competition for domestic products, so that local products will become bigger and can even go international.


Title: Re: Boycotting iSrAEl's product? think again.
Post by: Latviand on January 09, 2024, 03:16:33 PM
I have never understood boycotting "company" because you hate a "nation", you can boycott a nation, that would make sense, if you hate a nation then do not buy products from that nation directly, but boycotting a company?

What did the company ever do to you or anyone else. Like McDonalds for example, they are responsible for making burgers, that's literally their job, by not buying any burgers from them then you are not really helping any cause at all, or starbucks, if you are not drinking coffee from them then it makes no sense neither, it's just not hurting any nation, you think Isreal will stop because you didn't buy a burger or a cup of coffee? That never made sense to me at all. By the way, don't do that anyway, burgers are bad for you, and too much coffee is terrible for your health as well, boycott aside, you shouldn't get them anyway.
That's probably because you're not socially aware about the fact that these companies are making a lot of money and that they can always get away with things as long as they've got that, now if you cut that off, you'll be seeing them going down and their influence dwindling. Also, try reading history books for a change in perspective, you come out as a bootlicker for these rich billionaires that don't give a fuck about you and everyone of us that's not in their circle, stop defending these brands, the unemployment is temporary and they'll learn to know better once they feel the heat of messing with the people that they're profiting off, you're kind of people is the reason why we're still getting exploited by these companies, you're happy with the bare minimum.


Title: Re: Boycotting iSrAEl's product? think again.
Post by: Wakate on January 11, 2024, 03:04:08 PM
I have never understood boycotting "company" because you hate a "nation", you can boycott a nation, that would make sense, if you hate a nation then do not buy products from that nation directly, but boycotting a company?

What did the company ever do to you or anyone else. Like McDonalds for example, they are responsible for making burgers, that's literally their job, by not buying any burgers from them then you are not really helping any cause at all, or starbucks, if you are not drinking coffee from them then it makes no sense neither, it's just not hurting any nation, you think Isreal will stop because you didn't buy a burger or a cup of coffee? That never made sense to me at all. By the way, don't do that anyway, burgers are bad for you, and too much coffee is terrible for your health as well, boycott aside, you shouldn't get them anyway.
It would be irrational for us to think like boycotting products from Israel even when we need it most. We need to think twice and we don't have to be bias about taking the right decision that would not cause another problem or do something that would not solve the issues on ground. Since the war between Israel and the Palestine is still going on, we need to be wise and not do something that would hurt us in the future or create more pains for the people of Palestine. I think South Africa as a nation had filled a lawsuit against Israel and many other nations had agree to it, waiting for trials.


Title: Re: Boycotting iSrAEl's product? think again.
Post by: DrBeer on January 19, 2024, 09:06:52 PM
But we heard nothing about this right now
You are confused about what this is because @DrBeer as a propagandist deliberately avoided using anything specific in his comment and stuck to general terms. For example he never uses the word "Uyghur" to let you do your own research into what he is talking about when he says "Boycott Chinese products because they harm Muslim brothers"

TL;DR: To translate his propaganda in a short sentence it would be: "Why aren't Muslims sanctioning China for fighting the Pan-Turk separatist minority in their country who have a history of joining ISIS".

To expand, this is one of the oldest propagandas that existed. It talks about a minority Turks known as Uyghurs that don't really have anything to do with Muslims (they are more categorized as radicals and are closer to ISIS ideology rather than Islam as it is clear from the large number of them that have joined this terrorist organization). They live among the 20+ million Muslims in Xinjiang, China as only part of that population. Their radical ideology is not just close to ISIS but also close to other terrorist organizations such as Israel:
https://www.timesofisrael.com/uighur-militants-in-syria-look-to-zionism-as-model-for-their-homeland/
This is particularly why @DrBeer as a Zionist likes to support these radicals and spread the propaganda that they are "Muslims in need of help" comparing them with innocent Palestinians who are being murdered as we speak by the Zionists.

Another thing is that this propaganda will never tell you that these Uyghurs (which @DrBeer claims deserve support!!!) have committed countless terrorist attacks in China and multiple other countries. To name a few in 2014 they murdered 33 civilians in a bus station in Kunming China by attacking them with knives, or their terrorist attack on a Temple in Taiwan in 2014 and another bombing in 2015 Bangkok killing dozens and wounding hundreds of civilians in these two attacks.

According to Israeli sources more than 5000 Takfiri terrorists that participated in terrorist attacks in Syria over the past decade have been from Uyghur Turks which Israel supports!!! They particularly cooperate with Al-Nusra, ISIS and A-Qaeda which are all terrorist groups.

Feel free to research these things and compare that with the terrorist organization known as Israel dropping 65000 tonnes of bombs on Gaza in 89 days murdering 22000+ civilians majority of which are women and children, so that you can conclude for yourself whether Chinese products should be sanctioned or the Zionist products!

What a cowardly and pathetic attempt to cowardly avoid the topic of the persecution of Muslim brothers by the Chinese authorities, and more.
I deliberately did not specify the affiliation (Uighurs) so that you could openly show that for you there are "right Muslims" for whom you are supposedly "fighting". And there are "wrong Muslims" - who can be ignored and destroyed without any regret !
The experiment was successful, thank you for your answer ! I'll be honest - I didn't even count on such an answer, I assumed that you are smarter ... I was wrong, overestimated :)


So that pooya87  no longer manipulates and lies to everyone, we take historical data:
The Uyghurs are a Muslim people who have lived in northwest China for centuries.
The Uyghurs are the Turkic indigenous people of East Turkestan, now the Xinjiang Uyghur Autonomous Region of the People's Republic of China. By religion they are Sunni Muslims.


Title: Re: Boycotting iSrAEl's product? think again.
Post by: ichsan ardi on January 19, 2024, 09:52:58 PM
https://imgvb.com/images/2023/11/14/7d5c7b5a18fe16e0209bdb5dae9d79ff.png
https://currentaffairs.adda247.com/boycott-israel-products-list-2023/

There are many organizations and people in Asia are boycotting Israel's product because they're stand with Palestine. But I see it's really wrong because they mixed up both Western brands and Israel brands as they boycotting brands like: McDonald, Fanta, Garnier, Nestea, Starbucks etc. I'm not sure what's their reason to do that, but I take McDonald as the example, they boycotting McDonald because McDonald's franchise in Israel is supporting Israel.

https://imgvb.com/images/2023/11/14/3be79942c24dd5ba73b3390dfdfcb818.png
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/mcdonalds-owners-fight-over-support-for-israel/ar-AA1jgQRE

They forget if it's a franchise, it's not the McDonald's headquarter is supporting Israel. The franchise in other country has no relation with Israel, yet people boycott them. This can give effect to their own economy because the franchise will not make money to pay the employees, resulting salary cut or get fired, unemployment rate will increase.

AFAIK there's only one brand (https://thewaltdisneycompany.com/the-walt-disney-company-donates-to-support-humanitarian-relief-following-terrorist-attacks-in-israel-2/), that clearly supporting Israel, after all it's your choice to boycott them or not.

It's really not make sense to boycott franchise's product, if you want to boycott Israel's product, here are their brands https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Israeli_brands

If you want to support Palestine, find the trusted charity in your respective country and make a donation on there.

Think smarter, don't ruin the economy in your country because of sUppOrTInG PaLEStinE by doing that.

yes, I agree with you, don't just boycott people, let's join in too because one of the things I think can really help Palestine is doing charity or giving donations and praying, that's one of the best ways to help Palestine.


Title: Re: Boycotting iSrAEl's product? think again.
Post by: Ludmilla_rose1995 on January 20, 2024, 07:20:31 PM
This can be seen from many media today so that it is normal for the majority of the Muslim and non-Muslim population to boycott products that support Israel. But what we need to find out now is what the actual condition of Israel is at the moment because many Israelis living in Tel Aviv have left the city after repeated Hamas attacks fell there.

And in general, there are many western media who deliberately cover up the current condition of the state of Israel in order to make it appear that they are still strong enough to survive. Even though there are many losses experienced by Israel through war and boycotting products that support it, as well as the participation of the Yemeni Houthis in helping Palestine via the Red Sea route in blocking every ship carrying logistics for Israel.
Boycotting Israel product not only followed by the majority of the Muslim population but also by non-Muslims, I think boycotting is not only about what majority of Palestine religion as Muslim but also with human right how brutal invasion did by Israel and killed many Palestine person from children until old people. I can't believable with some medias have bad report their news only take care what Hamas did for Israel citizen but they blame what did by Israel soldier killed many Palestine kids.

The invasion have stop as soon possibility and both side not get any victim yet in the future, I think enough how many people have been pass away and they have loss with their home. For the near moment I wish both side have invasion conflict could get freedom and they have proposed a ceasefire how to protect the citizen from bad happening again.
Every time I look at my social media, my heart is sad to see how Palestinian children suffer who are affected by the rubble of buildings and also explosions from bombs detonated by Israel. In fact, if this war really wanted to be stopped then it would have stopped long ago, but there is a big agenda behind it. what makes the war between Israel vs Palestine continue to happen, this kind of thinking is what underlies people boycotting products originating from Israel, I don't agree because there will be a lot of unemployment created in the future but it can't be helped, the boycott action cannot be stopped and if left untreated, the impact will get worse.


Title: Re: Boycotting iSrAEl's product? think again.
Post by: DrBeer on February 09, 2024, 06:24:38 PM
Recently news came with video confirmation. I am interested in your opinion and would like to hear comments from those who support the anti-Israeli boycott, expressing their support for the residents of Gaza.
And so, let's move on to the main news: Egypt has begun construction of the SECOND line of the wall, fencing off Egyptian territory from Gaza. The second stone fence, with barbed wire...

Should we expect the Arab world to reject Egyptian goods and your calls for a boycott of Egypt? Will Egypt's "brothers" introduce any economic restrictions? Only honestly, without double standards


Title: Re: Boycotting iSrAEl's product? think again.
Post by: trendcoin on February 10, 2024, 11:15:09 PM
I respect those who boycott Israeli products and those who don't boycott Israeli products... I have my own logic about it. If there is not a big price difference between Israeli products and other products, I buy other products. So, I don't have a very solid boycott idea. If the Israeli product is much cheaper, I might buy it. In conclusion, as a person I don't approve of what Israel is doing in Palestine, so I don't want to use their products unless I have to...


Title: Re: Boycotting iSrAEl's product? think again.
Post by: Vinaa77 on February 11, 2024, 06:20:41 AM
Every time I look at my social media, my heart is sad to see how Palestinian children suffer who are affected by the rubble of buildings and also explosions from bombs detonated by Israel. In fact, if this war really wanted to be stopped then it would have stopped long ago, but there is a big agenda behind it. what makes the war between Israel vs Palestine continue to happen, this kind of thinking is what underlies people boycotting products originating from Israel, I don't agree because there will be a lot of unemployment created in the future but it can't be helped, the boycott action cannot be stopped and if left untreated, the impact will get worse.
If someone still has a conscience, of course they will voice their support for Palestine because they carried out brutal attacks on the Palestinian people and for those of us who cannot fight them and boycott their products, this is one way to voice their support for the oppression carried out by them against the Palestinian people. For those who have lost their jobs, I think it would be better to look for another job that is not related to their product, of course this would be even better.


Title: Re: Boycotting iSrAEl's product? think again.
Post by: serveria.com on February 11, 2024, 08:08:35 AM
Recently news came with video confirmation. I am interested in your opinion and would like to hear comments from those who support the anti-Israeli boycott, expressing their support for the residents of Gaza.
And so, let's move on to the main news: Egypt has begun construction of the SECOND line of the wall, fencing off Egyptian territory from Gaza. The second stone fence, with barbed wire...

Should we expect the Arab world to reject Egyptian goods and your calls for a boycott of Egypt? Will Egypt's "brothers" introduce any economic restrictions? Only honestly, without double standards

Why do you always lie? In fact, Egypt started building the second wall but... in 2020!

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In February 2020, Egypt began building a new 3-kilometre (2-mile) concrete wall along its border with the Gaza Strip, from Gaza's southeastern tip at Kerem Shalom (Karam Abu Salem) to the Rafah border crossing.[3] The new wall is in addition to the old wall, and will not be more than 8 m (30 feet) from the old one. Both walls are within Egyptian territory. The wall will be 7 m (20 feet) high and will be equipped with electronic sensors.

Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Egypt%E2%80%93Gaza_barrier

So how can it be related to the latest events in Gaza? If we look into the reason why they are doing it, it's enough to read the same Wiki article:

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In December 2009, with help from the United States, Egypt started building a steel wall along the Gaza border.

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The project has received technical cooperation from the United States and France.

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The United States announced its support for the barrier saying it would help to prevent weapons smuggling.

Any more questions?  ;D


Title: Re: Boycotting iSrAEl's product? think again.
Post by: DrBeer on February 11, 2024, 11:12:11 AM
Recently news came with video confirmation. I am interested in your opinion and would like to hear comments from those who support the anti-Israeli boycott, expressing their support for the residents of Gaza.
And so, let's move on to the main news: Egypt has begun construction of the SECOND line of the wall, fencing off Egyptian territory from Gaza. The second stone fence, with barbed wire...

Should we expect the Arab world to reject Egyptian goods and your calls for a boycott of Egypt? Will Egypt's "brothers" introduce any economic restrictions? Only honestly, without double standards

Why do you always lie? In fact, Egypt started building the second wall but... in 2020!
....

You now look as idiotic as possible, and prove perfectly well that you are not interested in reality but only in "convenient" content, and only for manipulation. But you look the same as always  ;D ;D ;D ;D

Link to a propagandistic Rashist resource :
https://iz.ru/1648262/2024-02-11/egipet-vozvel-stenu-na-granitce-s-palestinoi-v-ozhidanii-naplyva-bezhentcev
https://ren.tv/news/v-mire/1189497-egipet-vozvel-stenu-na-granitse-s-palestinoi


February 2024 - come up with another idiotic "excuse"  ;D


Title: Re: Boycotting iSrAEl's product? think again.
Post by: pooya87 on February 11, 2024, 01:11:33 PM
Egypt has begun construction of the SECOND line of the wall
https://iz.ru/1648262/2024-02-11/egipet-vozvel-stenu-na-granitce-s-palestinoi-v-ozhidanii-naplyva-bezhentcev
Why do you insist on derailing all topics with your propaganda? This topic is about a successful international movement by the free people of the world, trying to reduce the profit that is going into the pockets of the terrorist organization called Israel that is currently being prosecuted for crime of genocide in the International Court of Justice and is also recognized as an apartheid regime by international communities including United Nations.

As for your propaganda, it is another fail by you.
Egypt is not building a second wall, they've reinforced the blockade on the existing Rafah crossing because your terrorist friends are trying to kick Palestinians out of their homes into Egypt as part of their long term genocide plans. This is something that would threaten Egyptian national security because if your Zionist friends succeed in their plans the next target is going to be Egypt's soil while Israeli terrorists start advancing and occupying more lands using the refugees as an excuse.


Title: Re: Boycotting iSrAEl's product? think again.
Post by: DrBeer on February 12, 2024, 08:50:58 PM
Egypt has begun construction of the SECOND line of the wall
https://iz.ru/1648262/2024-02-11/egipet-vozvel-stenu-na-granitce-s-palestinoi-v-ozhidanii-naplyva-bezhentcev
Why do you insist on derailing all topics with your propaganda? This topic is about a successful international movement by the free people of the world, trying to reduce the profit that is going into the pockets of the terrorist organization called Israel that is currently being prosecuted for crime of genocide in the International Court of Justice and is also recognized as an apartheid regime by international communities including United Nations.

As for your propaganda, it is another fail by you.
Egypt is not building a second wall, they've reinforced the blockade on the existing Rafah crossing because your terrorist friends are trying to kick Palestinians out of their homes into Egypt as part of their long term genocide plans. This is something that would threaten Egyptian national security because if your Zionist friends succeed in their plans the next target is going to be Egypt's soil while Israeli terrorists start advancing and occupying more lands using the refugees as an excuse.

That is, when you pour out propaganda slogans about Israel, the invented Zionists, like from a firefighter, everything is fine with you, and nothing bothers you, because this position satisfies you. when you talk about the unfortunate Muslim victims of Zionist aggression - everything is fine...
But when you hear the TRUTH, that the terror of Muslims has been going on nearby for decades, and the cruelest, but it is done by China - you immediately don’t feel comfortable, and you start accusing me of paganda?! It turns out that the TRUTH is inconvenient for you = propaganda?! Are you seriously ?  ;D

You better answer - you don’t care about the Muslim brothers in China, or are you just afraid to say something against China? Show your true colors!  ;D


Title: Re: Boycotting iSrAEl's product? think again.
Post by: Ozero on February 14, 2024, 07:15:02 PM
And here is a local problem, and the causes of the problem have been "forgotten", and now they are trying to make Israel itself guilty for the attack on Israel....
Nobody is blaming Israel for defending themselves, I'm blaming Israel for almost 20k civilian casualties (including children), about 50k injured civilians, city of Gaza reduced to rubble. I mean they're so merciless - they were not particularly cautious when choosing targets for airstrikes: they bombed hospitals, schools, universities, they even killed most of the Israeli hostages HAMAS captured during their raids. They just don't care. And you're saying Putin is a bloody monster?  ;D
Of course, Putin is the bloodiest monster of our reality. Russia has been continuously bombing and shelling schools, hospitals, and residential buildings of Ukrainians for two years now, killing everyone in Ukraine. Moreover, Israel is purging Hamas militants after they launched a rocket attack from Palestine, and also attacked with their troops and killed many Israeli civilians. But Ukraine never attacked Russia and had no intention of doing so. Do you see the difference?


Title: Re: Boycotting iSrAEl's product? think again.
Post by: serveria.com on February 14, 2024, 08:34:45 PM
Of course, Putin is the bloodiest monster of our reality. Russia has been continuously bombing and shelling schools, hospitals, and residential buildings of Ukrainians for two years now, killing everyone in Ukraine. Moreover, Israel is purging Hamas militants after they launched a rocket attack from Palestine, and also attacked with their troops and killed many Israeli civilians.
You know that Israel killed around 30k civilians in gaza and about 60k were injured. That is many times more than Russia killed in Ukraine in 2 years! Hamas killed only about 1k both civilians and the military during their raids. You think that's ok?

But Ukraine never attacked Russia and had no intention of doing so. Do you see the difference?
Ukraine is attacking Russia on a daily basis: Belgorod, Kursk, Pskov even Moscow!



Title: Re: Boycotting iSrAEl's product? think again.
Post by: pooya87 on February 15, 2024, 05:52:29 AM
You better answer - you don’t care about the Muslim brothers in China, or are you just afraid to say something against China? Show your true colors!  ;D
Repeating the same propaganda I already responded to (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5474012.msg63466414#msg63466414) over and over doesn't make it right.

Let me ask you something now that you are suddenly so worried about "Muslim brothers". Why aren't you worried about other Muslims? Like the ones that were slaughtered by the US coalition during invasion of Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria, Libya, etc. something that Ukraine was also part of and sent one of the largest number of troops to help the massacre?
Were those murders OK just because US/Ukraine were doing the killing?

Hamas killed only about 1k both civilians and the military during their raids.
The armed forces of Palestine neutralized a small number of Israeli military personnel and arrested the rest. They needed prisoners (not dead bodies) so that they could swap them with thousands of women and children that have been getting tortured for years in Israeli prisons that are far worse than US torture camps in Guantanamo and Abu-Ghraib combined.
Kids like احمد مناصرة (https://www.talkimg.com/image/vxV1m) who was taken hostage by Israeli terrorists at 13 back in 2015 and has been tortured for 8 years until the terrorists were forced to release him in the first swap a couple of months back.

The casualties that were reported in the mainstream media afterward were the result of Israeli terrorists activating their Hannibal Protocol (that is an order given to IDF to kill any of their own forces that fall behind or are taken prisoner).


In the spirit of going back to the topic, here is "drug dealers" also boycotting the Zionist regime:
https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/morocco-hashish-sellers-boycott-israel-dealers-gaza-war
:D
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The Israeli news site Mako cited several Israeli drug dealers complaining about the drop-off in trade.
I just love to know where does a "drug dealer" go to complain about stuff like this ROFL


Title: Re: Boycotting iSrAEl's product? think again.
Post by: DrBeer on February 21, 2024, 10:14:26 AM
You better answer - you don’t care about the Muslim brothers in China, or are you just afraid to say something against China? Show your true colors!  ;D
Repeating the same propaganda I already responded to (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5474012.msg63466414#msg63466414) over and over doesn't make it right.

Let me ask you something now that you are suddenly so worried about "Muslim brothers". Why aren't you worried about other Muslims? Like the ones that were slaughtered by the US coalition during invasion of Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria, Libya, etc. something that Ukraine was also part of and sent one of the largest number of troops to help the massacre?
Were those murders OK just because US/Ukraine were doing the killing?

Hamas killed only about 1k both civilians and the military during their raids.
The armed forces of Palestine neutralized a small number of Israeli military personnel and arrested the rest. They needed prisoners (not dead bodies) so that they could swap them with thousands of women and children that have been getting tortured for years in Israeli prisons that are far worse than US torture camps in Guantanamo and Abu-Ghraib combined.
Kids like احمد مناصرة (https://www.talkimg.com/image/vxV1m) who was taken hostage by Israeli terrorists at 13 back in 2015 and has been tortured for 8 years until the terrorists were forced to release him in the first swap a couple of months back.

The casualties that were reported in the mainstream media afterward were the result of Israeli terrorists activating their Hannibal Protocol (that is an order given to IDF to kill any of their own forces that fall behind or are taken prisoner).


In the spirit of going back to the topic, here is "drug dealers" also boycotting the Zionist regime:
https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/morocco-hashish-sellers-boycott-israel-dealers-gaza-war
:D
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The Israeli news site Mako cited several Israeli drug dealers complaining about the drop-off in trade.
I just love to know where does a "drug dealer" go to complain about stuff like this ROFL


As I can see, you have been making up excuses for the selectivity of your care for a long time :) It turned out, as always, pathetic and primitive.

To answer your question about "why you don't care about other Muslims":
I don't know much about other Muslims. Besides, what you write about were either cannibal regimes or terrorist organizations.
I am more concerned about why you stick to the propaganda of world terrorist countries, pass off the war against terrorism as "persecution of Muslims" (you want to cover yourself with religion !?), but you don't care about Muslims who don't terrorize the whole world, but just want to live in their own lands, with their own religion. Maybe because they don't support terrorism?!


Back to reality:
"Çin İstanbul Başkonsolosu Doğu Türkistan'daki toplama kamplarınını savundu!
15 Milyon Müslüman Uygur kadın, çocuk ve yaşlı için şu ifadeleri kullanıyor:
"Beyinleri hastalıklı, tedavi ediyoruz""
https://twitter.com/i/status/1756398562538099160

This information can also be easily found in other sources

"In the spirit of going back to the topic, here are "drug dealers" also boycotting the Zionist regime:
https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/morocco-hashish-sellers-boycott-israel-dealers-gaza-war" - well yes, all the drugs must go to the Husitans otherwise they will come back to reality and may become normal people  ;D ;D ;D

PS I'm sure there will be no reply or you will spend 2-3-5 days to squeeze out another pathetic attempt to justify the selectivity and cowardice of "Muslim defenders".




Title: Re: Boycotting iSrAEl's product? think again.
Post by: Argoo on March 08, 2024, 04:51:23 PM

But Ukraine never attacked Russia and had no intention of doing so. Do you see the difference?
Ukraine is attacking Russia on a daily basis: Belgorod, Kursk, Pskov even Moscow!

Your conclusions are completely inconsistent with logic. Russia forcibly seized the Ukrainian peninsula of Crimea, as well as parts of two eastern regions of Ukraine, back in 2014 and did not attack Russian territory until a full-scale attack in February 2022, although it had the right to do so. But to endure forever when Russia shells the entire territory of Ukraine every day, almost without exception, not to defend itself, not to take retaliatory measures would be not only very strange, but also completely stupid. It is impossible to defend effectively unless you strike the enemy on his territory and thus weaken his military power. Russia forced Ukraine to enter the war and defend itself. This is not an attack. The only aggressor in this case is Russia.


Title: Re: Boycotting iSrAEl's product? think again.
Post by: DrBeer on March 09, 2024, 08:04:38 PM
Ukraine is attacking Russia on a daily basis: Belgorod, Kursk, Pskov even Moscow!

Why are you lying again ? :)
Everyone knows that there is an internal conflict in Russia, civil confrontation, and the Kremlin junta ordered to bomb unruly regions !
Ukraine is trying to provide fraternal assistance to the suffering people of the Belgorod People's Republic, Kursk People's Republic, and Pskov People's Republic, and also knocking out of Moscow (the original Ukrainian city created by the Kievan prince) the Nazis from the Kremlin!
Why don't you know the truth ?! :)

By the way, let's move to unfunny prospects - very soon the FSB, as usual, will start a series of global terrorist attacks against the inhabitants of Russia to "increase Putin's rating", as it was in the noughties. If anyone does not know how Putin used terrorist attacks against Russian citizens to rise to power - read the story about "Ryazan sugar".

If we return to the topic of "boycott of goods from Israel", it turns out that there is no defense of Muslims in this movement. As an example - read the topic about the Boycott of Chinese goods, as a response to the infringement and genocide of Muslims in China - "fighters for Muslims" will not do anything, because they just need an excuse to raise a new hysteria ... not in defense of Muslims, but against Israel.