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Before I begin sharing this news, let me tell you something. In life, you're going to make stuff. And there will always be some people who hate your stuff, enough to launch a botnet DDoS attack to try to take down your service.

I myself know this firsthand (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5477452.msg63399924#msg63399924), from experience. But what you should never do is take down your web resource if you truly believe that it is something used for good.

Now here is the scoop: https://x.com/rodarmor/status/1740080342957277612

Obviously the general sentiment here is that we don't like Ordinals (heck, even my 100 sats/vB transactions are getting stuck in traffic now). but DDoS is illegal.

Using a botnet for carrying out DDoS is illegal.

Infecting average people's computers, phones, smart TVs, fridges, and other devices to make them pay for DDoS attacks are illegal.

How companies are not lobbying for regulation for preventing these kinds of activities is gravity-defying.

Are you one of the attacker? /jk.

What they could gain from DDoS attack? if they didn't hack the smart contract they won't able to access the tokens and make money from it.

It's also not going to make people can't send their tokens, right?

Finally some good news, they should be DDOSed to oblivion, I don't care about the legality of DDOSing etc, if it's bad for the things you mentioned, yes we should call it that, but when it's used to cut the access of leeches to Bitcoin, it's a good thing. Here are some kisses for the attacker. 😘😗😘😗 Bitcoin refuses to be a submissive little bitch.

and there was rodamor months ago saying he stepped aside from his own creation.. but is first to cry out when his victims are denied access and no longer able to see his scam in action

if accessing peoples computers to then send data out was illegal then 99.9% of all apps on apple/google play store would be banned. yet every day they run and use peoples data for multitude of reasons

heck even tor would be illegal if routing data through peoples computers to access certain servers was illegal

and if you think regulators are interested in consumer protections. they would be looking to put scammer in prison not the people trying to stop scam websites for publishing junky scams

That's because there are companies that are benefiting from these attacks so it's counterproductive if it's solved plus botnets are difficult to track down anyways and the resources that you spend on finding them isn't that viable to maintain not to mention that there's also people out there that are making bank maintaining botnets or creating botnets I think so there's just no end to this because this isn't really the kind of crime borne out of desperation and with that baseless conclusions, I do believe that it's better off that websites improve their security when it comes to DDoS attacks, I guess some guy or gal out there is just so tired of these ordinals.

Spending money to organise a DDOS attack will only make the person or the organization doing it empty from pocket. The cannot achieve anything out os such attack as the website does not hold anything crucial for the Ordinals to stop exploiting the Bitcoin network. They price of ORDI won't stop going up and the Bitcoin transaction fees won't come down. Nothing will change except the website would shut down for few days or hours.

This is serious. On the other side of the hate that people get for a certain development, what will one get from attacking someone's website?

And those attacking those who gather to launch the attack, do they think if they bring the site down, the popularity of Ordina will also be brought down or the entire project will crash? I don't think that will ever happen. I see those doing that as not having good stuff to do with the resources they have in their hands.

 

He is not one of the attackers, but he was a victim of the attack just recently on his new detail launch site, which has detailed information about mixers, how they work, and everything you need to know about most of the platforms with mixing services listed there.  [ANN] BitMixList.org: Bitcoin Mixer List  (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5477452.0)

I'd speculate the attacker want to send certain message (e.g. they hate Ordinals).


FWIW Bitcoin doesn't have smart contract and token/inscription actually just Bitcoin UTXO.


Yes, there are many other website and wallet which let you interact with Ordinals.

Ordinals website being under DDoS attack is ironically funny to me, as many view ordinals as a "DDoS attack" on Bitcoin. A lot of people on that Twitter post are claiming it is valid TCP/IP packet traffic, so instead of it being a DDoS, perhaps the website was just over flooded by normal visitors and the website architecture could not handle it due to an unprofessional setup? I am by no means an expert, so perhaps someone could investigate that matter a bit further?

Either way, I really do not care whether the ordinal website is under attack or not. Ordinals should not be allowed in the first place. It is a parasitic existence.

We are in a crypto war, who wants ordinals versus who doesn't want ordinals.

The answer to all the pollution and sky-high network fees is this attack.

and we move on to the next chapters of all this... Who will win?

I have my guess: people who don't like ordinals

DDos attack is illegal, for sure!  But for the first time Ordinals are getting a taste of their own medicine. These ordinals have spammed the entire Bitcoin network with there nonsense NFTs which pushed the transaction fees to a level where commoners like us have stopped transactions in Bitcoin. So Ordinals are bad for the future of Bitcoin.

Couple of weeks back I was seeing some discussion that Bitcoin Devs are planning to push out Ordinals from the Bitcoin network. Eagerly waiting for this to happen!

Exactly, regulators don't care about consumer protection.
People complain every day about 1xbit and 1xbet but nothing is done about it. In fact, 1xbet sponsors some of the biggest sporting clubs and competitions while a lot of complaints about consumer fraud are neglected by the only people who can do something about it.

If customers of banned mixers had complained that mixers were defrauding them of money somehow, nothing would have been done about it.

You could send a million HTTP requests per second but with invalid data and non-existent URLs, and that would technically be a Layer-7 DDoS. It's the one Cloudflare protects from so it makes sense that Cloudflare is showing a rate-limiting screen on the Ordinals website. It does mean that the site is not receiving the full force of the traffic because it is intercepted at Cloudflare first, but it's still innaccessible nevertheless.

DDoss attacks are not to steal money. they are usually done to get a website's servers down. prevent users  from visiting/using that. most of DDoss attacks are done out of jealously with the service/project which is under attack.
hacker simply don't want Oridinals to do whatever they are doing.. I guess they are probably a butt heart bitcoiner who is upset about how these Ordinal shit causing all the transaction spike/ network congestion in Bitcoin Blockchain. LOL.
I don't see any other reason of DDossing Ordinals website.

LOL ;D, it is kind of funny as karma has hit back them hard. I discourage this action, but deep inside me, it gives me some kind of satisfaction after what they have done to the Bitcoin blockchain. What next? Will they, who are attacking the website now move on the the second phase of attacking the smart contract? Or they will end it with a DDoS attack.

IMO, it is a fool's game to attack the website as it does not stop what the ORDI token is doing currently. At present the token is only $4 below its ATH, the volume is good and before 2023 ends it might break its previous ATH. In the meantime, the mempool remains congested, and the transaction fee does not come down to where it was in the days when it used to be 12 sat/vB to 25 sat/vB. 

It's more accurate to describe the situation like this:
Some times you make something like Ethereum that many people don't like but it isn't hurting anybody so it is ignored by those people.
Another times you are making something like Ordinals that is acting as an attack against something else that people were using. That's no longer about your personal opinion about that creation.

In fact Ordinals to Bitcoin is exactly like this DDoS attack to their website.

Yes and I repeat myself again: Ordinals to Bitcoin is exactly like this DDoS attack to their website. The only difference is that the regulations that exit in the "Internet World" making such an attack illegal doesn't exist in the "Bitcoin World" to make similar attacks illegal!

In any case DDoS attack on their website is not going to change anything about their attack on Bitcoin. Partly because this DDoS attack is not just illegal, it has a cost for the attacker while the Ordinals Attack doesn't cost those behind it a dime...

So you think ordinals.com is to blame to ...what did they do to the blockchain?
Also, how is ordinals.com and not ordiscan.com or ord.io fault?  ;D
Do you think ordinals are run by some centralized entity or something?

Maybe it was also karma when the US sized mixers you know how many tractions are mixer making on the blockchain?
Oh, we should ddos also binance and maybe stake also and bc.game on top of that since they use the blockchain!
Probably it would be best for those to ddos bitcointalk also that all those signatures payments stop rising the fees on the blockchain for guys that want to just buy a coffee! See how this works?


I think everyone started their assumption from their hate against ordinals!
What makes everyone so sure it's an attack because somebody doesn't like ordinals and not an attack by a group  who is in competition with that website?
So not an ordinals hater but more like a ordinals minter that wants a bigger pie of the ordinals minting share and inscription traffic?

The way you have replied to my reply makes me wonder 🤔! Are you serious or trying to bully me  ;D
Who cares if they are centralized or not. I have not invested or promoted them.

Are you the one who is behind ORDI? Or you are trying to be a  someone who doesn't care about the spam happening on the the said network. The reason being you didn't hesitate to to point your finger on  the forum and the signature campaign that I am part of. Frustration is evident with your lame reply as you suddenly questioned me and my believe.

The next question from my side! Are you threatening me? As I feel that you are quite not happy when talked negative about Ordinals. The tone you have used, questions why it is bad to blame Ordinals, it is somewhat irrelevant whenever someone reputed like yourself questions member like me, who speaks freely without any obligation

Please do not mix mixer to your vent out your frustrations as I never discussed about it. If you have any issue personally with me then do reply as I will ignore you next time onwards. Never be so high yo feel others are stupid. It will  only result in your fall.

It is most definitely a criminal act, but regulators are at least catching up on the corporate level working with the insurance carriers to make it an absolute requirement to have an Endpoint Detection and Response solution in place before they can even get cyber insurance which is like an antivirus for business but w/ AI and much better lol. The irony in it all is that without the bad guys a whole industry wouldn't be there, the cyber insurance industry. It has an reciprical relationship, sort of like light and darkness, they go hand in hand. Which side are you on though?

For the personal computers and devices, I think its a shame that most people have no clue about cyber security or how to protect themselves or their data. I'm sure a lot of folks here are praising this effort to take down ordinals though due to the high fees lmao

You expressed your dislike with a thing that  is happening on the blockchain.
Some others think that mixers (which I advertised for years here) are also not to be welcomed on the blockchain.
Some thing that gambling is bad as it offers no actual value and is bad in general for the average consumer and bitcoin should distance from it

Again, see how this goes? You cheer for something being under attack because you don't like it, what happens when you're the target?


You're the one venting your frustration, you're the one cheering for shutting down a service
Again, before raging like a bull and see attacks, threats, blackmail and whatever other you imagine you might want to review what you posted first!
Triggered much? This is karma! But it's not that funny when you're the targeted one, isn't it?

Where? Prove it! Are you sure what you wrote was about me? What kind of raging I have committed? Are you sure you are pointing fingers on the right person?

You are threatening me directly, I haven't posted anything about you or about Ordinals. Are you in your senses? Is this that you do naturally do to vent out your arrogance with your frustrations with anyone?

maybe for some people this makes them happy considering that ordinals irritate many bitcoin users because they cause high fees. but i also agree with you that organizing a DDoS is illegal and it won't change anything that the fact is that the ordinal remains on the bitcoin network.

and maybe this DDoS attack will make them even more enthusiastic in developing their community, you know that sometimes the more someone is pressured the more they will show their existence, and maybe the ordinal community will show their existence more on the bitcoin network.

We all despise the ordinals system, particularly the perversion it causes bitcoin holders. And that is a truly unfortunate situation. Ordinals should do with their users what they do with their customers: inform them about their websites. Inform them that they are aware of the impending attack; it is not acceptable that there is no notification at all.

When such an attack happens, we should first avoid using the website because the more we use it, the worse the problem would become. And perhaps the wisest course of action is to wait till this is settled.

@pakhitheboss stop feeding the trolls. Just click that little ignore button under his username and move on. It will improve your forum experience.

I disagree, Ordinals owner or enthusiast would just visit different ordinals website.


While ordinals.com is first ordinals website created by Casey Rodarmor, it's not really competitive with other website since it lack many features. You can't even manage Ordinals or BRC-20 from ordinals.com. So IMO such reason is unlikely.

Whoever has done it for sure there's a reason behind it. Most likely if it's not about money, as I've said a protest, or like etf said that they want to convey a message to them. Something like that but what usually do these attackers get from doing so? money I guess.

It's no shame if people don't usually have an idea about cybersecurity. It's like having your own smartphone but don't have an idea on how to protect yourselves from malicious downloadable apps. It's going to take time until the majority of computer users have a basic idea of cybersecurity or at least protecting themselves by avoiding simple unknown websites and apps.

Many people like the fact that ordinals website is under a DDoS attack while some people consider DDoSing totally illegal and out of question. I would say that Ordinals website was attacked by those unknown hackers because they got some kind of rage when most of their transactions were stuck due to the network congestion that the ordinals caused.

Of course the Bitcoin is for everyone and the hackers are also humans so they might use Bitcoin as well for their transactions, but the point is that the ordinals have caused huge problems for many people and that's why they finally launched a DDoS attack on their site.

A DDoS attack is just an action taken when someone is truly annoyed by something but that won't be enough to eradicate the ordinals as they problem is part of a blockchain now and it won't makes much sense to attack the sites in order to stop the growth of ordinals.

Only Bitcoin developers will be able to find a true solution to stop the ordinals but it seems that they aren't able to find a way to eradicate those ordinals from the blockchain even after trying for many times. Let's see how long the ordinals will exist on the blockchain and how long people will continue talking about those ordinals.

It is not cool to appreciate something wrong and praising hackers for DDOSing just because we are not happy with Ordinals.
what is wrong will still be wrong.
and btw we don't know what was the intention of the hacker for DDOSing the servers. do you think hackers would care about common people and doing that to support Bitcoiner. No. they are just doing this to harm Ordinal servers and cause lose for them and maybe ask for some ransomware money too.

Let me guess, some OG retaliated for what these scums are doing to the Bitcoin network? Possible.

But a DDoS attack on ordinals won't change anything and even if ORDI goes down some new will pop and clog the network so the only possible solution is to remove the option like brc20 from the Bitcoin network or else the future is in danger for Bitcoin.

what i find truly funny is this forum has been ddosed many occasions and certain people say nothing about getting cops, courts, lobbyists, regulators involved. but within a couple hours of a scam getting its explorer site being ddosed, certain people start crying that things should be done to stop effecting sites like ordinals

just goes to show who adores scams and wants to defend their existence but never cared when this forum got ddosed

i never seen OP demand getting the authorities involved when this forum gets ddosed. however i have seen him ask to add exceptions to allow bots access to this forum even during ddos risk events

and now wanting to defend scam explorer sites.. wanting them to operate without attack.. lol.. it reveals soo much

A lot actually. They found a vulnerability in the Ordinal's home network, they can capitalize on it and conduct hacking schemes to either steal or destabilize the project from the roots cause as far as I know for you to be DDoS'ed the attackers must know what your identifiable network address is right? Or correct me if I'm just blabbering nonsense here lol. . They could also just be trolling and giving shit like this to Ordinals in the form of a warning sign but judging how much hate they have harbored in the past few months this year, I highly doubt it. DDoS attacks aren't really that dangerous per se but the consequences of being attacked like that could be massive especially for an indie project like them.

I couldn't say the hate against them is uncalled for either. They literally fucked the whole bitcoin network system by introducing NFTs lol. but at the same time a part of me knew that one way or another a project like Ordinals is going to come and they are going to fuck the system up since bitcoin's not really built for shit like that. So is it really just Ordinals' fault that they tried to pursue innovation or is the bitcoin network's complacency in issuing a viable change in the system so transactions couldn't be this congested partly to blame as well?

Oh honey, I would say ddos them 24/7 if it were up to me, there is nothing good for us in ordiballs, maybe there is a good amount of money to take from unsuspected newbies, but scam is scam. Even though I respect anyone's rights to use Bitcoin network, but there should be a price to pay if they wish to launch their garbage spams on Bitcoin.

haven't laughed out loud at a post in a while.

Maybe the attacker/organization was looking to buy some time to decongest the network?