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December 28, 2023, 06:37:45 AM
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Before I begin sharing this news, let me tell you something. In life, you're going to make stuff. And there will always be some people who hate your stuff, enough to launch a botnet DDoS attack to try to take down your service.

I myself know this firsthand, from experience. But what you should never do is take down your web resource if you truly believe that it is something used for good.

Now here is the scoop: https://x.com/rodarmor/status/1740080342957277612

Obviously the general sentiment here is that we don't like Ordinals (heck, even my 100 sats/vB transactions are getting stuck in traffic now). but DDoS is illegal.

Using a botnet for carrying out DDoS is illegal.

Infecting average people's computers, phones, smart TVs, fridges, and other devices to make them pay for DDoS attacks are illegal.

How companies are not lobbying for regulation for preventing these kinds of activities is gravity-defying.

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December 28, 2023, 07:30:19 AM
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Are you one of the attacker? /jk.

What they could gain from DDoS attack? if they didn't hack the smart contract they won't able to access the tokens and make money from it.

It's also not going to make people can't send their tokens, right?

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December 28, 2023, 07:37:59 AM
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Finally some good news, they should be DDOSed to oblivion, I don't care about the legality of DDOSing etc, if it's bad for the things you mentioned, yes we should call it that, but when it's used to cut the access of leeches to Bitcoin, it's a good thing. Here are some kisses for the attacker. 😘😗😘😗 Bitcoin refuses to be a submissive little bitch.

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December 28, 2023, 07:40:50 AM
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and there was rodamor months ago saying he stepped aside from his own creation.. but is first to cry out when his victims are denied access and no longer able to see his scam in action

if accessing peoples computers to then send data out was illegal then 99.9% of all apps on apple/google play store would be banned. yet every day they run and use peoples data for multitude of reasons

heck even tor would be illegal if routing data through peoples computers to access certain servers was illegal

and if you think regulators are interested in consumer protections. they would be looking to put scammer in prison not the people trying to stop scam websites for publishing junky scams

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December 28, 2023, 07:47:26 AM
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How companies are not lobbying for regulation for preventing these kinds of activities is gravity-defying.
That's because there are companies that are benefiting from these attacks so it's counterproductive if it's solved plus botnets are difficult to track down anyways and the resources that you spend on finding them isn't that viable to maintain not to mention that there's also people out there that are making bank maintaining botnets or creating botnets I think so there's just no end to this because this isn't really the kind of crime borne out of desperation and with that baseless conclusions, I do believe that it's better off that websites improve their security when it comes to DDoS attacks, I guess some guy or gal out there is just so tired of these ordinals.



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December 28, 2023, 09:21:42 AM
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Spending money to organise a DDOS attack will only make the person or the organization doing it empty from pocket. The cannot achieve anything out os such attack as the website does not hold anything crucial for the Ordinals to stop exploiting the Bitcoin network. They price of ORDI won't stop going up and the Bitcoin transaction fees won't come down. Nothing will change except the website would shut down for few days or hours.

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December 28, 2023, 09:34:50 AM
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This is serious. On the other side of the hate that people get for a certain development, what will one get from attacking someone's website?

And those attacking those who gather to launch the attack, do they think if they bring the site down, the popularity of Ordina will also be brought down or the entire project will crash? I don't think that will ever happen. I see those doing that as not having good stuff to do with the resources they have in their hands.

 
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December 28, 2023, 10:48:30 AM
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What they could gain from DDoS attack?

I'd speculate the attacker want to send certain message (e.g. they hate Ordinals).

if they didn't hack the smart contract they won't able to access the tokens and make money from it.

FWIW Bitcoin doesn't have smart contract and token/inscription actually just Bitcoin UTXO.

It's also not going to make people can't send their tokens, right?

Yes, there are many other website and wallet which let you interact with Ordinals.

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December 28, 2023, 11:01:25 AM
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Before I begin sharing this news, let me tell you something. In life, you're going to make stuff. And there will always be some people who hate your stuff, enough to launch a botnet DDoS attack to try to take down your service.

I myself know this firsthand, from experience. But what you should never do is take down your web resource if you truly believe that it is something used for good.

Now here is the scoop: https://x.com/rodarmor/status/1740080342957277612

Obviously the general sentiment here is that we don't like Ordinals (heck, even my 100 sats/vB transactions are getting stuck in traffic now). but DDoS is illegal.

Using a botnet for carrying out DDoS is illegal.

Infecting average people's computers, phones, smart TVs, fridges, and other devices to make them pay for DDoS attacks are illegal.

How companies are not lobbying for regulation for preventing these kinds of activities is gravity-defying.

Ordinals website being under DDoS attack is ironically funny to me, as many view ordinals as a "DDoS attack" on Bitcoin. A lot of people on that Twitter post are claiming it is valid TCP/IP packet traffic, so instead of it being a DDoS, perhaps the website was just over flooded by normal visitors and the website architecture could not handle it due to an unprofessional setup? I am by no means an expert, so perhaps someone could investigate that matter a bit further?

Either way, I really do not care whether the ordinal website is under attack or not. Ordinals should not be allowed in the first place. It is a parasitic existence.



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December 28, 2023, 11:16:21 AM
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We are in a crypto war, who wants ordinals versus who doesn't want ordinals.

The answer to all the pollution and sky-high network fees is this attack.

and we move on to the next chapters of all this... Who will win?

I have my guess: people who don't like ordinals

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December 28, 2023, 11:18:16 AM
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DDos attack is illegal, for sure!  But for the first time Ordinals are getting a taste of their own medicine. These ordinals have spammed the entire Bitcoin network with there nonsense NFTs which pushed the transaction fees to a level where commoners like us have stopped transactions in Bitcoin. So Ordinals are bad for the future of Bitcoin.

Couple of weeks back I was seeing some discussion that Bitcoin Devs are planning to push out Ordinals from the Bitcoin network. Eagerly waiting for this to happen!

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December 28, 2023, 11:27:11 AM
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and if you think regulators are interested in consumer protections. they would be looking to put scammer in prison not the people trying to stop scam websites for publishing junky scams

Exactly, regulators don't care about consumer protection.
People complain every day about 1xbit and 1xbet but nothing is done about it. In fact, 1xbet sponsors some of the biggest sporting clubs and competitions while a lot of complaints about consumer fraud are neglected by the only people who can do something about it.

If customers of banned mixers had complained that mixers were defrauding them of money somehow, nothing would have been done about it.

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December 28, 2023, 11:30:15 AM
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Ordinals website being under DDoS attack is ironically funny to me, as many view ordinals as a "DDoS attack" on Bitcoin. A lot of people on that Twitter post are claiming it is valid TCP/IP packet traffic, so instead of it being a DDoS, perhaps the website was just over flooded by normal visitors and the website architecture could not handle it due to an unprofessional setup? I am by no means an expert, so perhaps someone could investigate that matter a bit further?

You could send a million HTTP requests per second but with invalid data and non-existent URLs, and that would technically be a Layer-7 DDoS. It's the one Cloudflare protects from so it makes sense that Cloudflare is showing a rate-limiting screen on the Ordinals website. It does mean that the site is not receiving the full force of the traffic because it is intercepted at Cloudflare first, but it's still innaccessible nevertheless.

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Are you one of the attacker? /jk.

What they could gain from DDoS attack? if they didn't hack the smart contract they won't able to access the tokens and make money from it.

It's also not going to make people can't send their tokens, right?
DDoss attacks are not to steal money. they are usually done to get a website's servers down. prevent users  from visiting/using that. most of DDoss attacks are done out of jealously with the service/project which is under attack.
hacker simply don't want Oridinals to do whatever they are doing.. I guess they are probably a butt heart bitcoiner who is upset about how these Ordinal shit causing all the transaction spike/ network congestion in Bitcoin Blockchain. LOL.
I don't see any other reason of DDossing Ordinals website.









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LOL Grin, it is kind of funny as karma has hit back them hard. I discourage this action, but deep inside me, it gives me some kind of satisfaction after what they have done to the Bitcoin blockchain. What next? Will they, who are attacking the website now move on the the second phase of attacking the smart contract? Or they will end it with a DDoS attack.

IMO, it is a fool's game to attack the website as it does not stop what the ORDI token is doing currently. At present the token is only $4 below its ATH, the volume is good and before 2023 ends it might break its previous ATH. In the meantime, the mempool remains congested, and the transaction fee does not come down to where it was in the days when it used to be 12 sat/vB to 25 sat/vB. 


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In life, you're going to make stuff. And there will always be some people who hate your stuff, enough to launch a botnet DDoS attack to try to take down your service.
It's more accurate to describe the situation like this:
Some times you make something like Ethereum that many people don't like but it isn't hurting anybody so it is ignored by those people.
Another times you are making something like Ordinals that is acting as an attack against something else that people were using. That's no longer about your personal opinion about that creation.

In fact Ordinals to Bitcoin is exactly like this DDoS attack to their website.

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Using a botnet for carrying out DDoS is illegal.

Infecting average people's computers, phones, smart TVs, fridges, and other devices to make them pay for DDoS attacks are illegal.
Yes and I repeat myself again: Ordinals to Bitcoin is exactly like this DDoS attack to their website. The only difference is that the regulations that exit in the "Internet World" making such an attack illegal doesn't exist in the "Bitcoin World" to make similar attacks illegal!

In any case DDoS attack on their website is not going to change anything about their attack on Bitcoin. Partly because this DDoS attack is not just illegal, it has a cost for the attacker while the Ordinals Attack doesn't cost those behind it a dime...

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LOL Grin, it is kind of funny as karma has hit back them hard. I discourage this action, but deep inside me, it gives me some kind of satisfaction after what they have done to the Bitcoin blockchain.

So you think ordinals.com is to blame to ...what did they do to the blockchain?
Also, how is ordinals.com and not ordiscan.com or ord.io fault?  Grin
Do you think ordinals are run by some centralized entity or something?

Maybe it was also karma when the US sized mixers you know how many tractions are mixer making on the blockchain?
Oh, we should ddos also binance and maybe stake also and bc.game on top of that since they use the blockchain!
Probably it would be best for those to ddos bitcointalk also that all those signatures payments stop rising the fees on the blockchain for guys that want to just buy a coffee! See how this works?

What they could gain from DDoS attack? if they didn't hack the smart contract they won't able to access the tokens and make money from it.

I think everyone started their assumption from their hate against ordinals!
What makes everyone so sure it's an attack because somebody doesn't like ordinals and not an attack by a group  who is in competition with that website?
So not an ordinals hater but more like a ordinals minter that wants a bigger pie of the ordinals minting share and inscription traffic?



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LOL Grin, it is kind of funny as karma has hit back them hard. I discourage this action, but deep inside me, it gives me some kind of satisfaction after what they have done to the Bitcoin blockchain.

So you think ordinals.com is to blame to ...what did they do to the blockchain?
Also, how is ordinals.com and not ordiscan.com or ord.io fault?  Grin
Do you think ordinals are run by some centralized entity or something?

Maybe it was also karma when the US sized mixers you know how many tractions are mixer making on the blockchain?
Oh, we should ddos also binance and maybe stake also and bc.game on top of that since they use the blockchain!
Probably it would be best for those to ddos bitcointalk also that all those signatures payments stop rising the fees on the blockchain for guys that want to just buy a coffee! See how this works?

The way you have replied to my reply makes me wonder 🤔! Are you serious or trying to bully me  Grin
Who cares if they are centralized or not. I have not invested or promoted them.

Are you the one who is behind ORDI? Or you are trying to be a  someone who doesn't care about the spam happening on the the said network. The reason being you didn't hesitate to to point your finger on  the forum and the signature campaign that I am part of. Frustration is evident with your lame reply as you suddenly questioned me and my believe.

The next question from my side! Are you threatening me? As I feel that you are quite not happy when talked negative about Ordinals. The tone you have used, questions why it is bad to blame Ordinals, it is somewhat irrelevant whenever someone reputed like yourself questions member like me, who speaks freely without any obligation

Please do not mix mixer to your vent out your frustrations as I never discussed about it. If you have any issue personally with me then do reply as I will ignore you next time onwards. Never be so high yo feel others are stupid. It will  only result in your fall.

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It is most definitely a criminal act, but regulators are at least catching up on the corporate level working with the insurance carriers to make it an absolute requirement to have an Endpoint Detection and Response solution in place before they can even get cyber insurance which is like an antivirus for business but w/ AI and much better lol. The irony in it all is that without the bad guys a whole industry wouldn't be there, the cyber insurance industry. It has an reciprical relationship, sort of like light and darkness, they go hand in hand. Which side are you on though?

For the personal computers and devices, I think its a shame that most people have no clue about cyber security or how to protect themselves or their data. I'm sure a lot of folks here are praising this effort to take down ordinals though due to the high fees lmao

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December 28, 2023, 03:49:39 PM
 #20

Are you the one who is behind ORDI? Or you are trying to be a  someone who doesn't care about the spam happening on the the said network. The reason being you didn't hesitate to to point your finger on  the forum and the signature campaign that I am part of. Frustration is evident with your lame reply as you suddenly questioned me and my believe.

You expressed your dislike with a thing that  is happening on the blockchain.
Some others think that mixers (which I advertised for years here) are also not to be welcomed on the blockchain.
Some thing that gambling is bad as it offers no actual value and is bad in general for the average consumer and bitcoin should distance from it

Again, see how this goes? You cheer for something being under attack because you don't like it, what happens when you're the target?

Do not mix mixer to your vent out your frustrations as I never discussed about it. If you have any issue personally with me then do reply as I will ignore you next time onwards. Never be so high yo feel others are stupid. It will  only result in your fall.

You're the one venting your frustration, you're the one cheering for shutting down a service
Again, before raging like a bull and see attacks, threats, blackmail and whatever other you imagine you might want to review what you posted first!
Triggered much? This is karma! But it's not that funny when you're the targeted one, isn't it?


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