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Title: China India tensions on impact to Global economy possible china India war
Post by: Parklane777 on March 12, 2024, 07:50:13 PM
Get ready for goods and products shiped from china india area sea to get very expensive.
Also USA stand behind india and will give all the military aid to India it means stock market commodities and btc looking bullish becouse just start of the china India war the fed might lower the rates.
Now they can't do rate cuts but If there will be world one of the biggest war definately fed ecb boe will cut rates fast.
This one is very important for USA so they will support with money even more then ukraine.
We might see fed rate cuts in 1-2 months the emergency rate cuts to give military aid.
Also this area is important becouse a lot sea traffic with shipments goes from there to the world.
Fed cutting the rates + tensions on world one of most important area can make shipping cost by conteiners sky rocketing.
China India war will have huge impact to Global economy but one thing is for sure markets will go up.
Also Since India own currency fall i guess blackrock is ready to start sell btc to India and to china.
Both have huge population the china and india and If from starting the btc adoption and USDT USDC adoption to get btc then it can move the markets like grazy.
We could see the fed cutting rates but dollar will be still strong becouse of strong demand of USD specially USDT and USDC.
Everything comes together exacly timing.


Title: Re: China India tensions on impact to Global economy possible china India war
Post by: Upgrade00 on March 12, 2024, 08:32:11 PM
Also USA stand behind india and will give all the military aid to India it means stock market commodities and btc looking bullish becouse just start of the china India war the fed might lower the rates.
It's quite extreme to suggest this is or is going to be a war. There has been tensions in both countries for a couple of years now, but I do not see this spiraling into actual conflict anytime soon. The economic impact it would have on both states would mean they would both be trying to avoid it, but without looking weak.

I don't also think we should be making theories about how a war would benefit Bitcoin.


Title: Re: China India tensions on impact to Global economy possible china India war
Post by: nimethasa on March 12, 2024, 10:47:11 PM
India and China have never had an issue of war. be it a military war or an economic war. they are fine and India has never been intervened by the USA. and it's just you who wrote that statement. if the economic war between the USA and China is really happening. but if China and India there has never been news in the mass media both print and online that discusses this. and if the war happens there is no effect on the price of bitcoin. when US and china tensions were at their peak there was no effect on the price of bitcoin.


Title: Re: China India tensions on impact to Global economy possible china India war
Post by: tyz on March 12, 2024, 10:52:10 PM
Get ready for goods and products shiped from china india area sea to get very expensive.

China is currently flooding the world with goods to get its domestic economy back on track, which is leading to a deflationary trend. Now that the real estate sector has almost come to a standstill due to its problems and is contributing little to economic growth, the government is looking for alternatives. They have identified these in the expansion of industry, in particular solar and electric cars (also indirectly confirmed by the communist party). It should therefore be assumed that products from China will become cheaper. I don't think the scenario you describe is likely.


Title: Re: China India tensions on impact to Global economy possible china India war
Post by: Hispo on March 13, 2024, 10:40:47 AM
Also USA stand behind india and will give all the military aid to India it means stock market commodities and btc looking bullish becouse just start of the china India war the fed might lower the rates.
It's quite extreme to suggest this is or is going to be a war. There has been tensions in both countries for a couple of years now, but I do not see this spiraling into actual conflict anytime soon. The economic impact it would have on both states would mean they would both be trying to avoid it, but without looking weak.

I don't also think we should be making theories about how a war would benefit Bitcoin.

I agree with you there, I don't think Satoshi would have liked anyone to especulate on the value of his creation from the suffering a death of people, especially the innocent.

Keeping that to one side. It is true India and China have had their clashes and disagreements over the occupation of territories in the north of the India, which both counties claim, but it would be foolish of them to start a war because of it or other seemingly small reasons.
Both India and China are part of the BRICS, and both are quite relevant members of the organization, because of their number of population and manufacturing capacities. What would the rest of the world think and also the rest of the BRICS members of two of their most important participants started a conflict? The alliance will undoubtedly lose the trust of many around the world and their plans to counter the United States Dollar in the maket with their own currency would not be taken as serious anymore.

So, I won't think anything serious will happen between them, unless they do not have their priorities clear at all.


Title: Re: China India tensions on impact to Global economy possible china India war
Post by: davis196 on March 13, 2024, 11:38:10 AM
This is a forum about Economics, not about geopolitical speculations.
Blackrock selling BTC to both India and China? OP is clearly trolling and spamming the forum with weird posts.
There's no point for China and India to fight against each other. I know that there were conflicts between India and China in the past, but I can't figure out why would China invade India or vice versa? Does Northern India have lots of natural resources? Does Tibet have lots of natural resources? The answer of both questions is no. A potential war between India and China would mean two things:
1.Lots of pointless casualties.
2.The collapse of BRCIS.
Both countries don't want such outcome.


Title: Re: China India tensions on impact to Global economy possible china India war
Post by: Kingperry22 on March 13, 2024, 12:27:34 PM
 :-\ this issue will certainly pose a threat to the global supply chain and disruption of production worldwide. china and india are regarded as the most populous nations on earth and if such conflict arise concerns about commodity price and agricultural produce may be of great concern.

Also it may eventually lead to fall in the financial market whereby affecting stock market and currency value. we hope for a diplomatic settlement before it escalated out of proportion.


Title: Re: China India tensions on impact to Global economy possible china India war
Post by: Haunebu on March 13, 2024, 03:10:07 PM
What a load of crap. Wars are costly for all countries involved which is why very, very few leaders are dumb enough to go through with them. Examples are dumdums like Putin etc who end up regretting their decisions later on.

India and China are always hostile with each other, but their leaders aren't dumb enough to fight a war against each other for obvious reasons. Think!


Title: Re: China India tensions on impact to Global economy possible china India war
Post by: avikz on March 13, 2024, 04:13:06 PM
I don't see any war between China and India happening. Even though China has a bigger military, please do not forget that both countries hold a significant number of nuclear warheads. So it is highly unlikely that India and China will get into a war. Because if it happens, it will officially become the third world war.

I understand America is very much interested in this because they will be able to sell their weapons to India. But I don't think it is happening ever again. Both countries have progressed in technology and no one would like to spend on wars when they can spend and built a better economy.


Title: Re: China India tensions on impact to Global economy possible china India war
Post by: kentrolla on March 13, 2024, 07:09:14 PM
There as been tensions flaring up between India and China for quite sometime and there has been multiple clashes at the border and on the lands illegally occupied by China in the border area. But it has not escalated to the level of war as it's bad for both the countries because we have to accept the fact that without Chinese good and raw materials or would be difficult to sustain and also China cannot risk any war with India and India is not so stupid to fight American war just like Pakistan did and still suffering.


Title: Re: China India tensions on impact to Global economy possible china India war
Post by: jrrsparkles on March 13, 2024, 07:54:17 PM
There won't be any war Like OP expecting between India and China cause both nations having issues with their borders for decades and India already making some moves like banning their apps, banning their investors.

China is having biggest military system compared to India doesn't mean they will fall and already No country doesn't want to mess with both India and China for obvious reasons.


Title: Re: China India tensions on impact to Global economy possible china India war
Post by: electronicash on March 13, 2024, 09:00:18 PM

these two are members of the same bloc BRICS. and although India is a pain in the ass for the BRICS, i don't think they are going to ruin their way this extremely as they are no chance of defeating China in a hot war.  they may haave border issues but the tension usually ends in a peace talk.  Modi is not like Zelenski. he has more wisdom.

but if this happens, you can expect the Chinese products to be expensive. i would probably start buying more phones the day the war strikes.


Title: Re: China India tensions on impact to Global economy possible china India war
Post by: darkangel11 on March 13, 2024, 09:10:57 PM
If India hates China so much and wants to go to war with it, why did it join the BRICS? The goal of this monetary union is to weaken the dollar and create another currency that can be used for trading between countries who faced US sanctions. Joining BRICS is like showing the middle finger to both US and the EU, so India clearly chose China over the US. If It ever were to fight China it would be standing alone, since the US would not help them and many other countries like Russia would rather help China...
Your theory makes no sense, OP.


Title: Re: China India tensions on impact to Global economy possible china India war
Post by: Maus0728 on March 13, 2024, 10:26:58 PM
India and China have never had an issue of war. be it a military war or an economic war. they are fine and India has never been intervened by the USA. and it's just you who wrote that statement. if the economic war between the USA and China is really happening. but if China and India there has never been news in the mass media both print and online that discusses this. and if the war happens there is no effect on the price of bitcoin. when US and china tensions were at their peak there was no effect on the price of bitcoin.
You're naive to say that then because they've got a border tension back in 2022 if I recall and you don't know China fully then to say that they've got not issue with India because as far as I know, China is fighting against all of their neighbors with border disputes, saying that history is on their side and that they're just reclaiming what they're culturally deserving of, which is in most cases territory that seems to overlap with other countries' borders. But aside all that, India won't be going in an all-out war with China though, it's got it's hands full with Pakistan ready to make the move anytime India makes a move that would tip the balance of the scales.


Title: Re: China India tensions on impact to Global economy possible china India war
Post by: Kemarit on March 13, 2024, 10:49:59 PM
China India war will have huge impact to Global economy but one thing is for sure markets will go up.

Isn't it that's what they said in every war though, it will have an impact to the global economy.

Also Since India own currency fall i guess blackrock is ready to start sell btc to India and to china.

As far as I know, their own currency has deflated years ago and yet they are still standing.

Both have huge population the china and india and If from starting the btc adoption and USDT USDC adoption to get btc then it can move the markets like grazy.
We could see the fed cutting rates but dollar will be still strong becouse of strong demand of USD specially USDT and USDC.
Everything comes together exacly timing.

So in your conclusion, there is a relation with this war to crypto? how come? And I don't think that it will go that far that this two countries are going to war each other. Doesn't make sense and the leaders of this two countries, are going to sit down and talk and not escalate everything. They know the cost of war and how it will affect them, so I will say that diplomacy will take place.


Title: Re: China India tensions on impact to Global economy possible china India war
Post by: Sithara007 on March 14, 2024, 03:08:03 AM
Era of full-fledged military wars are over. Any possible war between India and China in the future will be done through the proxy route. China is supporting insurgents in northeast India through its ally Myanmar, while India is supporting the separatists Tibetans by allowing them to operate from Dharamshala. Apart from that, a military confrontation could be very damaging for both the sides. China is suffering from a demographic crisis, and deaths have overtaken the births there. Similarly, in India the states that contribute to the armed forces (Uttarakhand, Himachal Pradesh, Jammu, Punjab.etc) are going through a similar crisis. In both the nations, manpower is no longer replaceable.


Title: Re: China India tensions on impact to Global economy possible china India war
Post by: pooya87 on March 14, 2024, 05:45:39 AM
An armed conflict between India and China is unlikely and I'll give you 3 reasons for it:
1. The "disagreements" between the two countries have existed for a long time (like about certain areas between the two countries and borders, etc.) and it has never led to any major conflicts. In other words India has a much higher chance of going to war with Pakistan than with China.

2. The two countries have nukes. The chance of an armed conflict between two nuke owning countries is always low because of the mutual destruction capability.

3. The two countries are going on a different path which means there will be less tensions in the future. India is going on the path that China went decades ago (mass producing "simple" stuff) while China is getting past it and is entering "tech" products and will want to transfer that burden to India.

Get ready for goods and products shiped from china india area sea to get very expensive.
Also USA stand behind india and will give all the military aid to India it means stock market commodities and btc looking bullish becouse just start of the china India war the fed might lower the rates.
You are contradicting yourself.
US heavily depends on imports, specially from China and somewhat from India. If according to you price of those products go up that means inflation in US which means FED will be forced to increase interest rates to battle inflation not decrease it.

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We might see fed rate cuts in 1-2 months the emergency rate cuts to give military aid.
Another contradiction. If US regime wants to spend a ton of money, they'll have to print trillions. If this aid is bigger than Ukraine aid they'll have to print even more.
This means higher inflation which again the FED has to battler by increasing the rates not decreasing them.

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Also this area is important becouse a lot sea traffic with shipments goes from there to the world.
Fed cutting the rates + tensions on world one of most important area can make shipping cost by conteiners sky rocketing.
Another reasons for higher inflation and higher rates.

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We could see the fed cutting rates but dollar will be still strong becouse of strong demand of USD specially USDT and USDC.
It is weird that you advertise these two centralized shitcoins in most of your comments!


Title: Re: China India tensions on impact to Global economy possible china India war
Post by: Kakmakr on March 14, 2024, 05:53:24 AM
The thing is, China and India have a population growth that are not controlled, so border conflicts like this will be a ongoing problem, because they have to put those people somewhere and they also need more agricultural land to produce more food.

The thing is also that they are both part of BRICS ... so they have to find a way to work together for that to succeed.


Title: Re: China India tensions on impact to Global economy possible china India war
Post by: franky1 on March 14, 2024, 06:07:16 AM
The thing is, China and India have a population growth that are not controlled, so border conflicts like this will be a ongoing problem, because they have to put those people somewhere and they also need more agricultural land to produce more food.

The thing is also that they are both part of BRICS ... so they have to find a way to work together for that to succeed.

the border between india vs china is protected by.. MOUNTAINS
so its not a land dispute over area's that can be used for housing/agriculture of a growing indian populous


Title: Re: China India tensions on impact to Global economy possible china India war
Post by: btc78 on March 14, 2024, 07:15:48 AM
I have only seen tension between the two because of territory dispute which I don’t think would be enough reason to go on a full-blown war. Remember, these two countries do not only have each other as their enemies especially China. China is pressuring a lot of countries right now and they would most likely go out for a territory that is most valuable for them. But no matter how valuable it is, they can not just go and attack a country. They haven’t even gotten Taiwan and many are saying they might just never do it.


Title: Re: China India tensions on impact to Global economy possible china India war
Post by: sunsilk on March 14, 2024, 09:54:52 AM
China India war will have huge impact to Global economy but one thing is for sure markets will go up.
The Russia and Ukraine war did even impacted economy globally and how much more if these two big countries clash? Not sure about the market going up or by that means that things are going to get ready in becoming more expensive.

But both are members of the BRICS right? I think that this alliance is nonsense if China is going to be sparring all of the potential competitor that they have for every dispute that they're also part of.

We could see the fed cutting rates but dollar will be still strong becouse of strong demand of USD specially USDT and USDC.
USD has strong demand but what's the connection of the stable coins with it? Because they're also US dollars?


Title: Re: China India tensions on impact to Global economy possible china India war
Post by: Litzki1990 on March 14, 2024, 10:03:42 AM
We have always noticed a bad relationship between India and China. India helps a lot of countries it doesn't want to help, and China has developed good diplomatic relations with most Asian countries. But China and India are two developed countries and the economic condition of these two countries is quite good. China is not interested in fighting but they are interested in improving the economic status of their country. China will not make their economic situation worse by war but at that time they will establish diplomatic relations with some other country and they will do business with that country. If a war between China and India were to occur for any reason, the global economy would be severely affected, but the chances of such a thing happening are very low. They may have bad relations but they will never engage in war.


Title: Re: China India tensions on impact to Global economy possible china India war
Post by: naira on March 14, 2024, 10:25:03 AM
Get ready for goods and products shiped from china india area sea to get very expensive.
Also USA stand behind india and will give all the military aid to India it means stock market commodities and btc looking bullish becouse just start of the china India war the fed might lower the rates.
Now they can't do rate cuts but If there will be world one of the biggest war definately fed ecb boe will cut rates fast.
This one is very important for USA so they will support with money even more then ukraine.
We might see fed rate cuts in 1-2 months the emergency rate cuts to give military aid.
Also this area is important becouse a lot sea traffic with shipments goes from there to the world.
Fed cutting the rates + tensions on world one of most important area can make shipping cost by conteiners sky rocketing.
China India war will have huge impact to Global economy but one thing is for sure markets will go up.
So far I have never heard of China having a conflict with India, even in the international media we have never heard of this issue. So provide us with a credible source to support your statement. Because it concerns economic problems, every country does not always depend on imports if it is still able to produce using local goods. I know that Chinese and Indian products have become commonplace on the market, but that doesn't mean these products have become basic necessities. Our clothes, food and shelter can still be produced domestically. So the issue of war between China and India never existed because these two countries have built cooperation and also entered a serious stage in adopting the BRICS common currency.


Title: Re: China India tensions on impact to Global economy possible china India war
Post by: slapper on March 14, 2024, 02:11:01 PM
You're drawing a picture of global economic dominoes collapsing one by one. A China-India confrontation might affect commodities, the stock market, and even BTC. The Fed, ECB, and BoE cutting rates in response? This is a rash response to a complex issue

True juice is in the undercurrents. Shipping prices could rise, but what does it mean for market observers and participants? It's about adaptation and creativity, not just increased costs. Chaos brings opportunity. The long-term impact of market reactions on global trade dynamics is the question

BTC and stablecoins like USDT, USDC? Their adoption may rise, but don't oversimplify. The dollar's strength and cryptocurrencies are part of a wider picture. Picture that makes us think beyond the obvious and question the stories that are being sold. You say markets will rise?


Title: Re: China India tensions on impact to Global economy possible china India war
Post by: khiholangkang on March 14, 2024, 03:23:47 PM
I read from page one but no one gave a source about the development of the conflict between India and China, the news that I got the latest was last posted in December, and I haven't found the latest news again, anyone want to help me find a reference. ???

BTW we know that India and China are included in the BRICS union, and I think they will find the best solution for both without any prolonged conflict, because if BRICS breaks up it will benefit the US union and it will definitely be realized by China and Russia.


Title: Re: China India tensions on impact to Global economy possible china India war
Post by: kryptqnick on March 14, 2024, 03:27:37 PM
Another list of unsubstantiated claims by the op in the original post. China and India aren't great friends, but they're also not enemies. They interact with each other, they share a region, and while the op is talking about the US relations with India, the US also has strong economic ties with China. There are some tensions between China and India, but I don't think they're enough to actually consider a potential war between the two. I've seen some articles about their border dispute and India's unhappiness with Chinese maps, but articles from reputable sources are from 2022 and 2023, without any major changes that could lead to escalation in 2024.


Title: Re: China India tensions on impact to Global economy possible china India war
Post by: bettercrypto on March 14, 2024, 04:32:37 PM
Get ready for goods and products shiped from china india area sea to get very expensive.
Also USA stand behind india and will give all the military aid to India it means stock market commodities and btc looking bullish becouse just start of the china India war the fed might lower the rates.
Now they can't do rate cuts but If there will be world one of the biggest war definately fed ecb boe will cut rates fast.
This one is very important for USA so they will support with money even more then ukraine.
We might see fed rate cuts in 1-2 months the emergency rate cuts to give military aid.
Also this area is important becouse a lot sea traffic with shipments goes from there to the world.
Fed cutting the rates + tensions on world one of most important area can make shipping cost by conteiners sky rocketing.
China India war will have huge impact to Global economy but one thing is for sure markets will go up.
Also Since India own currency fall i guess blackrock is ready to start sell btc to India and to china.
Both have huge population the china and india and If from starting the btc adoption and USDT USDC adoption to get btc then it can move the markets like grazy.
We could see the fed cutting rates but dollar will be still strong becouse of strong demand of USD specially USDT and USDC.
Everything comes together exacly timing.

I am not updated on the tensions that are happening now in the countries of India and China; this is the only thing I found on a Google search about that matter:
https://www.aa.com.tr/en/asia-pacific/india-china-locked-in-war-of-words-over-arunachal-pradesh-region/3162275, but hopefully the tension that is happening now will not worsen.

We know that when that happens and there is another war, there will be many countries that are close to it, and it will have a bad effect on that matter.


Title: Re: China India tensions on impact to Global economy possible china India war
Post by: Cryptomultiplier on March 14, 2024, 05:54:17 PM
This topic may have as well been created due to recent activity by the People's Liberation Army (PLA) which carried out a live fire exercise showcasing an advanced surface-to-air missile system in the Karkorum plateau across from Eastern Ladakh. It is in this region that China and India have been locked in a military stand-off since 2020.

https://www.newsweek.com/china-india-xinjiang-live-fire-border-tension-military-1879108

These countries have one present and future economic interest of which they play a major role and that would help countries with poor exchange rates if they join. That is the BRICS currency initiative which they belong to and are well invested in to see it as realization. There won't be a war because they are working towards creating a new world order of which the BRICS currency, the Yen is the currency for trading and payments for transactions without reliance on the U.S dollar. 


Title: Re: China India tensions on impact to Global economy possible china India war
Post by: DrBeer on March 14, 2024, 08:45:46 PM
Get ready for goods and products shiped from china india area sea to get very expensive.
Also USA stand behind india and will give all the military aid to India it means stock market commodities and btc looking bullish becouse just start of the china India war the fed might lower the rates.
Now they can't do rate cuts but If there will be world one of the biggest war definately fed ecb boe will cut rates fast.
This one is very important for USA so they will support with money even more then ukraine.
We might see fed rate cuts in 1-2 months the emergency rate cuts to give military aid.
Also this area is important becouse a lot sea traffic with shipments goes from there to the world.
Fed cutting the rates + tensions on world one of most important area can make shipping cost by conteiners sky rocketing.
China India war will have huge impact to Global economy but one thing is for sure markets will go up.
Also Since India own currency fall i guess blackrock is ready to start sell btc to India and to china.
Both have huge population the china and india and If from starting the btc adoption and USDT USDC adoption to get btc then it can move the markets like grazy.
We could see the fed cutting rates but dollar will be still strong becouse of strong demand of USD specially USDT and USDC.
Everything comes together exacly timing.

That China, in the near future, may need a "small victorious war" is almost a fact. It is one of the options to distract the Chinese population from the growing problems inside China. But the problem is that India is not a whipping boy. India is not inferior to China, and it is supported by the West, with which China is purposely sabotaging relations. And China will not get involved in a war with India, as the chances of victory are extremely low. And the Chinese Communist Party is most afraid of losing power and "empire". Therefore, China will look for other countries more suitable for such a scenario. And it should be a country that is obviously weaker and does not have wide support.


Title: Re: China India tensions on impact to Global economy possible china India war
Post by: so98nn on March 15, 2024, 01:35:09 AM
What are you talking man? You straight went to the conclusion of war, but India is one country that has mastered the mind games and political agendas. They will never ever bring it down to the point where they have to break out a war. If India-China war happens, then it could ingest world war 3 easily. India has strongest allies from Asia and Western hemisphere. Russia will obviously back up India, USA will back India because they are already in tension with China. The FED's wont just cut down the rates just like that, because that is not how it works mate. The speculation is entirely wrong. They will either come to an agreement or else China will have to step down considering India's own military asset and back up countries.


Title: Re: China India tensions on impact to Global economy possible china India war
Post by: pooya87 on March 15, 2024, 05:34:04 AM
Russia will obviously back up India
I don't think so. In case of choosing between India and China, Russia would probably not make any choice at all because they depend on both specially China. The more the Russian war against NATO goes on the more they'll rely on China for their economy, technology or even military stuff (arms and ammunition).


Title: Re: China India tensions on impact to Global economy possible china India war
Post by: God bless u on March 15, 2024, 09:06:48 AM
They have been rivals for quite a time now and that's normal in recent times. The conflict over different issues have never led to war between them but it could be a possibility nowadays. The USA is losing its power due to the major setback by Russia in Ukraine even in this sector they are losing it due to china.

The giant india is being developed and fed by the USA to be their right hand in this area and if the tussle continues the USA will use India in the situation instead of coming up from the front they'll play at the back as their history tells us.


Title: Re: China India tensions on impact to Global economy possible china India war
Post by: snowpega on March 15, 2024, 12:01:31 PM
An armed conflict between India and China is unlikely and I'll give you 3 reasons for it:
1. The "disagreements" between the two countries have existed for a long time (like about certain areas between the two countries and borders, etc.) and it has never led to any major conflicts. In other words India has a much higher chance of going to war with Pakistan than with China.
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Dear if India starts a war with Pakistan what do you think what will happen? If this happens china will probably be involved in this war from the side of Pakistan. Pakistan has a strong relationship with China and China has invested a lot of money in Pakistan. their biggest Project in Pakistan Is "CPEC" If this project successfully completed both countries will have a lot of advantages of it. China Shipping Costs will be reduced because of this project they will not have to travel a big giant sea for their importing their country needs CPEC will help them all that way to reduce that cost.

Some Days ago, I was listening to a piece of news that mentioned that now these days India is bothering the project and does not want the completion of this project. Actually, the thing is that we Pakistan and Indian people like each other and respect each other as well but the negative thing is that the border army, government, and social media play their bad role in spreading negativity to increase the conflicts between these two countries (Pakistan & India)


Title: Re: China India tensions on impact to Global economy possible china India war
Post by: DrBeer on March 16, 2024, 01:07:37 PM
Russia will obviously back up India
I don't think so. In case of choosing between India and China, Russia would probably not make any choice at all because they depend on both specially China. The more the Russian war against NATO goes on the more they'll rely on China for their economy, technology or even military stuff (arms and ammunition).


Sorry, but can I get a little clarification from you - tell me which NATO country is Russia waging war against? I haven’t heard anything about the Russia-NATO conflict. Well, or explain when NATO attacked Russia, or Russia attacked a NATO country? :)
Russia is really waging a terrorist war against Ukraine - but where did you get the idea that Ukraine is a NATO member?

Or is this again a consequence of the effects of the miracle leaves? :)
https://i.postimg.cc/g0Pt5Y3H/2024-02-09_17_52_32-в_йeмeнe_жyют_нapкoтичecкyю_тpaвy_–_Google_Пoиcк.png (https://postimages.org/)


Title: Re: China India tensions on impact to Global economy possible china India war
Post by: Fortify on March 16, 2024, 03:04:27 PM
Get ready for goods and products shiped from china india area sea to get very expensive.
Also USA stand behind india and will give all the military aid to India it means stock market commodities and btc looking bullish becouse just start of the china India war the fed might lower the rates.
Now they can't do rate cuts but If there will be world one of the biggest war definately fed ecb boe will cut rates fast.
This one is very important for USA so they will support with money even more then ukraine.
We might see fed rate cuts in 1-2 months the emergency rate cuts to give military aid.
Also this area is important becouse a lot sea traffic with shipments goes from there to the world.
Fed cutting the rates + tensions on world one of most important area can make shipping cost by conteiners sky rocketing.
China India war will have huge impact to Global economy but one thing is for sure markets will go up.
Also Since India own currency fall i guess blackrock is ready to start sell btc to India and to china.
Both have huge population the china and india and If from starting the btc adoption and USDT USDC adoption to get btc then it can move the markets like grazy.
We could see the fed cutting rates but dollar will be still strong becouse of strong demand of USD specially USDT and USDC.
Everything comes together exacly timing.

These two countries have had skirmishes in the past, but they are not going to have a full scale war because it would be devastating to both of them economically. The leaders may use these skirmishes to score the odd political points, but it's always going to be incredibly messy and unpredictable for two giants to fight, so unless we got much more foolish politicians than we have now, they will find calmer ways to resolve disputes. Both countries have other areas where they are concentrating on right now and don't have the need to escalate it further.


Title: Re: China India tensions on impact to Global economy possible china India war
Post by: franky1 on March 17, 2024, 10:25:32 PM
Sorry, but can I get a little clarification from you - tell me which NATO country is Russia waging war against? I haven’t heard anything about the Russia-NATO conflict. Well, or explain when NATO attacked Russia, or Russia attacked a NATO country? :)

russia seen eastern ukraine as the safety barrier to keep nato away from russia's borders.

its why russia wanted to take that eastern region and declare it an independent state (no mans land) to keep that buffer space to keep nato/EU at arms length so that russia does not need to defend it endlessly forever

ukraine has been trying to join EU and nato since 2014.. threatening russia at that border should ukraine join the west

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funny part is.. nato/EU didnt let ukraine join in 2014+ due to the stakes at risk of that same eastern region.. yep even nato/eu wanted ukraine to turn over that eastern region to a independent state to create a no mans land.. but ukraine wants to keep it as part of ukraine and wont give it up no matter who is asking them to from either side

its these reasons nato/EU are not just letting ukraine just join them. to then allow nato/eu armies to drive into ukraine to defend the eastern side.. because eu/nato dont want the eastern side. they dont want the headache, cost, time defending that border forever

from a moral side countries will do trade deals and donations to support defending central ukraine. as thats the moral thing.. but when it comes to the eastern region of ukraine. russia and EU want it to become an independent state (for logic of defence, cost and peace process)


Title: Re: China India tensions on impact to Global economy possible china India war
Post by: Ozero on March 18, 2024, 03:00:29 PM
There won't be any war Like OP expecting between India and China cause both nations having issues with their borders for decades and India already making some moves like banning their apps, banning their investors.

China is having biggest military system compared to India doesn't mean they will fall and already No country doesn't want to mess with both India and China for obvious reasons.
If there is a war, it will most likely be between China and the United States. This depends on many factors, including the conditions for the end of the Russian-Ukrainian war. But we see that these states are trying not to create hotbeds of tension and are finding ways of contact and even concessions to each other. A war between them is possible when China decides to take over Taiwan.

A war between China and India is generally unlikely. Between these countries with the largest population there are not such big conflicts as to throw into battle, if not billions, then tens and hundreds of millions of their soldiers and mobilized ones. Moreover, now war is more technologically advanced and very expensive. This was shown by the practice of Russia's attack on Ukraine. They must understand that having started a war among themselves, as in the case of a possible war between the United States and China, they will certainly eventually come out of it exhausted and their competitors will take advantage of this.


Title: Re: China India tensions on impact to Global economy possible china India war
Post by: DrBeer on March 20, 2024, 09:57:19 AM
Sorry, but can I get a little clarification from you - tell me which NATO country is Russia waging war against? I haven’t heard anything about the Russia-NATO conflict. Well, or explain when NATO attacked Russia, or Russia attacked a NATO country? :)

russia seen eastern ukraine as the safety barrier to keep nato away from russia's borders.

its why russia wanted to take that eastern region and declare it an independent state (no mans land) to keep that buffer space to keep nato/EU at arms length so that russia does not need to defend it endlessly forever

ukraine has been trying to join EU and nato since 2014.. threatening russia at that border should ukraine join the west

..
funny part is.. nato/EU didnt let ukraine join in 2014+ due to the stakes at risk of that same eastern region.. yep even nato/eu wanted ukraine to turn over that eastern region to a independent state to create a no mans land.. but ukraine wants to keep it as part of ukraine and wont give it up no matter who is asking them to from either side

its these reasons nato/EU are not just letting ukraine just join them. to then allow nato/eu armies to drive into ukraine to defend the eastern side.. because eu/nato dont want the eastern side. they dont want the headache, cost, time defending that border forever

from a moral side countries will do trade deals and donations to support defending central ukraine. as thats the moral thing.. but when it comes to the eastern region of ukraine. russia and EU want it to become an independent state (for logic of defence, cost and peace process)


Yeah, well now everything becomes clear. No offense, your misconception is becoming clear, and now I’ll explain what it is.
In 2014, until February, the PRO-RUSSIAN President Yanukovych was in power in Ukraine. The question is - do you think they initiated at least a dialogue about Ukraine joining NATO? :)
Let me also remind you that the invasion of the country of international terrorist Russia into Ukraine began in February... 2014, in fact on the same day when Yanukovych cowardly fled from Ukraine. Do you think Ukraine made the decision to join NATO in 24 hours? And agreed on this issue by preparing a legislative framework? :)

The first legislative article, about PLANS for reforming the standards of the Armed Forces of Ukraine to NATO standards, as well as the beginning of a dialogue about the POTENTIAL accession of Ukraine to NATO, appeared only... at the end of 2018! When Russia had annexed Crimea for 4 years and temporarily occupied part of the Donetsk and Lugansk regions of Ukraine.

Yes, I know that after the failure of the Russian army in Ukraine, they changed the “propaganda manual” and began to give out a new reason for the aggression, “Ukraine’s accession to NATO,” although they forgot the chronology and facts. This is a “normal” state for Russian propaganda and their hench media :)

Now they are talking about the fact that Russia in Ukraine is generally at war with NATO, although... they constantly say that Western countries can provoke Russia to start a war... with NATO, because... The Armed Forces of Ukraine have long been broken up, and a successful 2-3 week special operation ended with the capture of Kyiv... But this is not certain :))))

In summary, I strongly do not recommend reading Russian or Kremlin-controlled media :)


Title: Re: China India tensions on impact to Global economy possible china India war
Post by: pooya87 on March 21, 2024, 02:47:10 PM
An armed conflict between India and China is unlikely and I'll give you 3 reasons for it:
1. The "disagreements" between the two countries have existed for a long time (like about certain areas between the two countries and borders, etc.) and it has never led to any major conflicts. In other words India has a much higher chance of going to war with Pakistan than with China.
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Dear if India starts a war with Pakistan what do you think what will happen? If this happens china will probably be involved in this war from the side of Pakistan. Pakistan has a strong relationship with China and China has invested a lot of money in Pakistan. their biggest Project in Pakistan Is "CPEC" If this project successfully completed both countries will have a lot of advantages of it. China Shipping Costs will be reduced because of this project they will not have to travel a big giant sea for their importing their country needs CPEC will help them all that way to reduce that cost.

Some Days ago, I was listening to a piece of news that mentioned that now these days India is bothering the project and does not want the completion of this project. Actually, the thing is that we Pakistan and Indian people like each other and respect each other as well but the negative thing is that the border army, government, and social media play their bad role in spreading negativity to increase the conflicts between these two countries (Pakistan & India)
That's true. I was just trying to compare the nature of tensions between these duos.
As for China, from what I've seen they've always strived to prevent any kind of conflict specially in countries close to them or in countries they have a major interest in. This means they will continue trying to both avoid and prevent armed conflicts between China and India or India and Pakistan. After all they need stability to expand their economy.

russia seen eastern ukraine as the safety barrier to keep nato away from russia's borders.

its why russia wanted to take that eastern region and declare it an independent state (no mans land) to keep that buffer space to keep nato/EU at arms length so that russia does not need to defend it endlessly forever
That's one of the smaller reasons since the annexed regions are also considered "Russian borders" now (95% of them voted for Putin in the recent election in Russia).
The major reason is for Russia to dominate the Black Sea considering that for such a massive country Russia had a very little sea shore and control in the Black Sea before 2014. Also if you look at the annexed parts on the map, these regions are more of South and South East rather than being Eastern Ukraine. Russia still shares a lot of border with other Ukrainian provinces in East and North Eastern Ukraine, I marked that huge border with red in the picture below and the new borders with the "buffer space" in green. You can clearly see the difference this way.
https://www.talkimg.com/images/2024/03/21/Jo7kz.jpeg

By taking Crimea they choked Ukraine in Sea of Azov and increased their dominance in the Black Sea. By taking more land in South and South East (basically everything below Dnipero River) they cut 90% of Ukraine's access to the Black Sea and increased their own dominance.
These regions also included major industries, infrastructures, farms and water sources of Ukraine that now belong to Russia.


Title: Re: China India tensions on impact to Global economy possible china India war
Post by: snowpega on March 21, 2024, 08:10:27 PM
An armed conflict between India and China is unlikely and I'll give you 3 reasons for it:
1. The "disagreements" between the two countries have existed for a long time (like about certain areas between the two countries and borders, etc.) and it has never led to any major conflicts. In other words India has a much higher chance of going to war with Pakistan than with China.
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Dear if India starts a war with Pakistan what do you think what will happen? If this happens china will probably be involved in this war from the side of Pakistan. Pakistan has a strong relationship with China and China has invested a lot of money in Pakistan. their biggest Project in Pakistan Is "CPEC" If this project successfully completed both countries will have a lot of advantages of it. China Shipping Costs will be reduced because of this project they will not have to travel a big giant sea for their importing their country needs CPEC will help them all that way to reduce that cost.

Some Days ago, I was listening to a piece of news that mentioned that now these days India is bothering the project and does not want the completion of this project. Actually, the thing is that we Pakistan and Indian people like each other and respect each other as well but the negative thing is that the border army, government, and social media play their bad role in spreading negativity to increase the conflicts between these two countries (Pakistan & India)
That's true. I was just trying to compare the nature of tensions between these duos.
As for China, from what I've seen they've always strived to prevent any kind of conflict specially in countries close to them or in countries they have a major interest in. This means they will continue trying to both avoid and prevent armed conflicts between China and India or India and Pakistan. After all they need stability to expand their economy.
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The tension between the Pakistan and India Border is kinda tight because these both always have been making problems on different things for each other over time. these problems are geographically as of Kashmir India says it is their part of the land and Pakistan says it is our part of the land but between these two countries Kashmir has smashed but the Indian army is kinda bad with Kashmir people residential as we have heard so many news over this now it is true or not who knows?

On the other hand, another problem between these two countries is the water conflict which always has remained unsolved till the day these two countries became independent. The Ravi River comes from India to Lahore city of Pakistan Which stays mostly time empty the whole year and when the Water at the side of the Indian river gets overloaded they release water which in results sometimes Pakistan people who live at the edges of the Ravi River have to face some loses but it would be the best thing that if India does not disturb the water flow like that it should always be released and all things will stay naturally good.

The main thing is humanity that is why I always respect all humanity no matter whether they cross of the border or not i know both sides of people have some negative energy just because of the negative impact of social news channels otherwise both respect each other.


Title: Re: China India tensions on impact to Global economy possible china India war
Post by: darkangel11 on March 21, 2024, 08:57:13 PM
That's one of the smaller reasons since the annexed regions are also considered "Russian borders" now (95% of them voted for Putin in the recent election in Russia).

Where did you get this from? Let me guess, official Russian media channels that reported almost everybody voted for Putin. The whole country is pro Putin. The problem is that you cannot and will not get any legit information from Russia. In one of the elections they had so many fake votes for Putin that the total sum of votes exceeded 100% :D
Yes, the majority voted for Putin. No, it wasn't even close to 80%, not to mention 95%. Things like that don't happen unless the election is tampered with, and Russian elections are every single time. Even the one were Putin got elected for his first term was fixed by the FSB.


Title: Re: China India tensions on impact to Global economy possible china India war
Post by: pooya87 on March 22, 2024, 07:51:49 AM
That's one of the smaller reasons since the annexed regions are also considered "Russian borders" now (95% of them voted for Putin in the recent election in Russia).

Where did you get this from? Let me guess, official Russian media channels that reported almost everybody voted for Putin. The whole country is pro Putin. The problem is that you cannot and will not get any legit information from Russia. In one of the elections they had so many fake votes for Putin that the total sum of votes exceeded 100% :D
Yes, the majority voted for Putin. No, it wasn't even close to 80%, not to mention 95%. Things like that don't happen unless the election is tampered with, and Russian elections are every single time. Even the one were Putin got elected for his first term was fixed by the FSB.
That doesn't matter. Those regions are still under Russian occupation and control whether 95% voted for Putin or 5%. We have no evidence to know which percentage is correct either. Just the propaganda outlets of two opposing sides, each reporting their own nonsense.

The discussion above wasn't about correctness of their election either, it's about buffer zones. Maybe I shouldn't have brought up the percentage to avoid derailing the comment but the point I made was that these regions are currently as part of the Russian federation as republics or a federated state that even participate in the Russian elections and vote for the same president, as opposed to being a separate country voting for their own president. This means although they may resemble a buffer zone but they are not exactly one.
A buffer zone for Russia is something like Belarus.


Title: Re: China India tensions on impact to Global economy possible china India war
Post by: blckhawk on March 22, 2024, 08:45:37 AM
I don't think that the tension is going anywhere besides being just a tension, China is only bark and no bite, I mean look at what they're doing with Taiwan and many other countries in the SEA region, they are openly hostile but they're really scared to initiate any kind of violence, they're a weak country that's pretending to be strong and no matter what the CCP says about their plan being for the long-term, China is still a pup when it comes to the big dogs club like Russia and USA, they're only strong because they've got a really good information dampening for their citizens so the only thing that they consume are propaganda plus they're both founding members of the international group BRICS and that's a bad face for BRICS if they've got an internal strife. If I'm choosing sides, I'd say that India will take the win on this one because they've got the geological advantage in my opinion.


Title: Re: China India tensions on impact to Global economy possible china India war
Post by: moneystery on March 22, 2024, 09:11:36 AM
source: trust me bro

at least if you want to make speculation, you should be smarter to be able to support your opinion, but from several points that i read what you wrote is nothing more than just empty talk and most of it is just speculation at all. at least finish the topic you want to discuss first, then you can jump to another topic. but i read your writing very confusing, at one point you discuss china, at another you discuss india and blackrock. it's just confusing. at least improve your writing first, so that it doesn't become spam on this forum.


Title: Re: China India tensions on impact to Global economy possible china India war
Post by: coolcoinz on March 22, 2024, 07:45:17 PM
Also USA stand behind india and will give all the military aid to India it means stock market commodities and btc looking bullish

India is playing both sides. They've been buying arms from Russia for decades and according to some sources spent 60 billion dollars doing so. Now they have a contract with the US for engine production so that most likely comes with a verbal agreement that they will not send weapons to Russia when the US is supplying Ukraine.

India doesn't act like it's against Russia or the US, but it wants to get the best deals from both sides.
Russia wanted to produce helicopters in India but that deal was cancelled most likely because of the engine deal with the US.
Chances of India going to war right now are very low, they just want to make money. It's the same fear mongering that people who say that Russia will attack NATO countries are doing.


Title: Re: China India tensions on impact to Global economy possible china India war
Post by: South Park on March 22, 2024, 09:55:16 PM
Also USA stand behind india and will give all the military aid to India it means stock market commodities and btc looking bullish

India is playing both sides. They've been buying arms from Russia for decades and according to some sources spent 60 billion dollars doing so. Now they have a contract with the US for engine production so that most likely comes with a verbal agreement that they will not send weapons to Russia when the US is supplying Ukraine.

India doesn't act like it's against Russia or the US, but it wants to get the best deals from both sides.
Russia wanted to produce helicopters in India but that deal was cancelled most likely because of the engine deal with the US.
Chances of India going to war right now are very low, they just want to make money. It's the same fear mongering that people who say that Russia will attack NATO countries are doing.
I agree, the government of India like most governments is trying to get the best possible deals they can, and the politicians there have realized they have become a very important chess piece for other major players, so those politicians are doing what any other politician would do under those circumstances, which is to take advantage of the situation, so while the tensions between India and China are important, I think it is out of place to believe that an armed conflict is on the cards right now.


Title: Re: China India tensions on impact to Global economy possible china India war
Post by: umbara ardian on March 22, 2024, 10:03:53 PM
The historical border disputes between India and China are a point of concern.  Imagine two nuclear-armed powers with unresolved territorial claims.  While war might seem unthinkable, even a minor escalation could have disastrous consequences.

The role of both countries in BRICS is a crucial factor.  A conflict would shatter the trust within the organization and undermine their collective influence.  Imagine the BRICS bloc, envisioned as a counterweight to the US dollar, losing credibility due to internal conflict.

The potential economic fallout is another compelling reason to avoid war.  Both India and China are economic powerhouses.  A military confrontation would disrupt trade, investment, and global supply chains.


Title: Re: China India tensions on impact to Global economy possible china India war
Post by: STT on March 22, 2024, 11:41:25 PM
This is not new, they have been fighting on that border for a decade or more.  Is it escalating is the question and is there really any advantage to what war would occur.  Hostile and actual intent to make war backed by the idea of gaining something would be two different things.   I dont see either party gaining only losing people and probably gaining no useful ground that makes any difference to each country.

Important note here for me personally is neither nation has oil where as you compare Iran and Iraq a border dispute there could involve the gain of maybe billions of value in oil reserves for that land.  Some useless land on the India China border doesnt seem as appealing in any dispute to me.   Without further knowledge of incentives I doubt it, perhaps there is other perspectives but plain hostilities is not unfortunately that abnormal even if people die I dont see an entire country dedicate itself to a war for those reasons.


Title: Re: China India tensions on impact to Global economy possible china India war
Post by: topbitcoin on March 23, 2024, 12:27:17 AM
The relationship between two large countries is very, very complicated, where there are times when they are of the same direction and cooperating, but on certain issues there are times when they have different paths and sometimes cause conflict at the border. And even though there is the US behind India, when we talk about the Asian region, we all know which country has a big influence in that region. And the feud between India and China has not yet found common ground, so there is a possibility that in the future there will be a quite fierce trade war between India and China, and the bad thing is that this feud could end in a prolonged conflict on the Himalayan border.

And if this happens, global food security will again be threatened, countries that are dependent on India for food will experience difficulties. This could happen, because China could behave selfishly in cutting off the flow of its river in Tibet which is connected to the Brahmaputra river and the Ganges river in India, which could cause India's agricultural activities to be hampered due to lack of water. Agricultural activities are hampered, food productivity is reduced and hunger is rampant


Title: Re: China India tensions on impact to Global economy possible china India war
Post by: kentrolla on March 23, 2024, 02:20:08 PM
The relationship between two large countries is very, very complicated, where there are times when they are of the same direction and cooperating, but on certain issues there are times when they have different paths and sometimes cause conflict at the border. And even though there is the US behind India, when we talk about the Asian region, we all know which country has a big influence in that region. And the feud between India and China has not yet found common ground, so there is a possibility that in the future there will be a quite fierce trade war between India and China, and the bad thing is that this feud could end in a prolonged conflict on the Himalayan border.

And if this happens, global food security will again be threatened, countries that are dependent on India for food will experience difficulties. This could happen, because China could behave selfishly in cutting off the flow of its river in Tibet which is connected to the Brahmaputra river and the Ganges river in India, which could cause India's agricultural activities to be hampered due to lack of water. Agricultural activities are hampered, food productivity is reduced and hunger is rampant

That would prove to be terrible not only to India but also to those countries which are dependent on India and also this will impact the export market of China because we have to accept the fact that world needs byh India and China for different resources and without them it would cause hardship throughout the world or atleast to major countries. India cannot escalate this further assuming USA would back then as India has learned a lot from in previous war with China and this time Inda will take calculated steps and China needs to be stopped it's getting ambitious day by day.


Title: Re: China India tensions on impact to Global economy possible china India war
Post by: southerngentuk on March 23, 2024, 04:30:20 PM
Heightened tensions in this crucial trade region could have a significant impact on shipping costs and commodity prices. The emphasis on the need for credible sources to support claims of war is crucial.  Information verification is essential, especially in today's age of misinformation.  Imagine basing economic decisions on rumors or unconfirmed reports.

The counterpoint about domestic production and the potential for countries to lessen reliance on imports is insightful.  A war wouldn't necessarily lead to a complete halt in essential goods production, as many countries can source materials domestically.  Imagine a scenario where nations prioritize local production to mitigate supply chain disruptions. The observation about China and India's past cooperation efforts, including BRICS, is interesting.  Economic ties and existing diplomatic channels can potentially act as buffers against escalation.  Imagine these past collaborations playing a role in preventing full-blown conflict.


Title: Re: China India tensions on impact to Global economy possible china India war
Post by: stompix on March 23, 2024, 05:16:00 PM
russia seen eastern ukraine as the safety barrier to keep nato away from russia's borders.

Yeah, genius move:

https://www.talkimg.com/images/2024/03/23/JKpP2.jpeg

I wonder if Putin didn't make that plan with you, since it's so genuinely stupid from the core!
The whole thing about Ukraine and the buffer zone is just stupid, if Nato would have really wanted to expand and threaten Russia the attack would have been Belarus!
60 years of Cold War planning and not a single plan made something special out of Ukraine, it's Belarus that's the gateway to both Moscow and Berlin!

The thing is, China and India have a population growth that are not controlled, so border conflicts like this will be a ongoing problem, because they have to put those people somewhere and they also need more agricultural land to produce more food.

China's population is already decreasing,
India's fertility rate has plunged to below replacement level! (https://theprint.in/india/indias-fertility-rate-plunged-in-last-70-yrs-population-to-shrink-further-by-2050-lancet-study/2012615/)New models show that India might start shrinking itself way earlier than 2065, models predicting 2050 now and they still ignore the impact of education in the poorest region where births are still high.

But overall, it's nice to see BRICS being so united! /shitload of sarcasm



Title: Re: China India tensions on impact to Global economy possible china India war
Post by: snowpega on March 23, 2024, 07:51:19 PM
Also USA stand behind india and will give all the military aid to India it means stock market commodities and btc looking bullish

India is playing both sides. They've been buying arms from Russia for decades and according to some sources spent 60 billion dollars doing so. Now they have a contract with the US for engine production so that most likely comes with a verbal agreement that they will not send weapons to Russia when the US is supplying Ukraine.

India doesn't act like it's against Russia or the US, but it wants to get the best deals from both sides.
Russia wanted to produce helicopters in India but that deal was cancelled most likely because of the engine deal with the US.
Chances of India going to war right now are very low, they just want to make money. It's the same fear mongering that people who say that Russia will attack NATO countries are doing.

India is a very tricky player India knows where India can have more advantages of things that can help in most of the ways i do not know if you know this or not Some Secrete agents in India are working for Russia who find some middle-class people who are looking for Job/opportunities. These agents show them the moon and stars in daylight by saying that they will have a very good salary in the Job they are going to offer. Now what is the Job these Agents offer to these Indian Middle-class people? This job is an army job, these agents say to them you guys will be hired for some little task for the Russian army but these innocent people are not aware of the real game behind all that.

Once they reached Russia, Russia put them on the front side to fight with the Ukrainian people, and these fragile innocent people got killed without any reason. What is their fault? they just need jobs to support their families but unfortunately, they got trapped by these agents and somehow Indian high commands are also involved in this. Sometimes i really feel bad when I see rich/strong people use poor/weak people in that way.


Title: Re: China India tensions on impact to Global economy possible china India war
Post by: _BlackStar on March 23, 2024, 09:00:45 PM
The relationship between two large countries is very, very complicated, where there are times when they are of the same direction and cooperating, but on certain issues there are times when they have different paths and sometimes cause conflict at the border. And even though there is the US behind India, when we talk about the Asian region, we all know which country has a big influence in that region. And the feud between India and China has not yet found common ground, so there is a possibility that in the future there will be a quite fierce trade war between India and China, and the bad thing is that this feud could end in a prolonged conflict on the Himalayan border.

And if this happens, global food security will again be threatened, countries that are dependent on India for food will experience difficulties. This could happen, because China could behave selfishly in cutting off the flow of its river in Tibet which is connected to the Brahmaputra river and the Ganges river in India, which could cause India's agricultural activities to be hampered due to lack of water. Agricultural activities are hampered, food productivity is reduced and hunger is rampant
An economic war is much more likely between China and India - this is already happening and is not something that has just started. The two countries will probably think about how to find the best solution to reduce tensions - but I don't really follow developments, but what is clear is that the impact will definitely be felt on the global economy if that happens.

Its impact on the global economy means it will also impact the crypto market - including bitcoin. This is of course unavoidable because investors will withdraw from the market and tend to play safer with their budgets. I'm not sure what will happen - but the fallout will be even more complicated if an actual war occurs.


Title: Re: China India tensions on impact to Global economy possible china India war
Post by: Ozero on March 29, 2024, 07:30:48 PM

russia seen eastern ukraine as the safety barrier to keep nato away from russia's borders.

its why russia wanted to take that eastern region and declare it an independent state (no mans land) to keep that buffer space to keep nato/EU at arms length so that russia does not need to defend it endlessly forever
That's one of the smaller reasons since the annexed regions are also considered "Russian borders" now (95% of them voted for Putin in the recent election in Russia).
The major reason is for Russia to dominate the Black Sea considering that for such a massive country Russia had a very little sea shore and control in the Black Sea before 2014. Also if you look at the annexed parts on the map, these regions are more of South and South East rather than being Eastern Ukraine. Russia still shares a lot of border with other Ukrainian provinces in East and North Eastern Ukraine, I marked that huge border with red in the picture below and the new borders with the "buffer space" in green. You can clearly see the difference this way.

By taking Crimea they choked Ukraine in Sea of Azov and increased their dominance in the Black Sea. By taking more land in South and South East (basically everything below Dnipero River) they cut 90% of Ukraine's access to the Black Sea and increased their own dominance.
These regions also included major industries, infrastructures, farms and water sources of Ukraine that now belong to Russia.
In Russia they can write whatever they want into their Constitution about their territorial conquests of other states. Not a single civilized state takes this seriously and will not recognize it.

Moreover, Russia no longer dominates the Black Sea. The remnants of its Black Sea Fleet are hiding away from Ukraine's maritime surface drones and its Neptune anti-ship missiles.
So, only recently, on March 24, the Ukrainian Armed Forces attacked the port of Sevastopol and damaged the large landing ships Yamal and Azov and Konstantin Olshansky, and also successfully defeated the reconnaissance ship Ivan Khurs. Russia has moved most of its ships either to Novorossiysk or to its other ports away from the Crimean peninsula. And everything that is located near the Crimean peninsula is being actively destroyed by the Ukrainian Armed Forces.

Russia will not be able to hold the south of Ukraine for long. First of all, because ammunition and everything else have to be delivered 700-800 kilometers and this entire route is under fire from the Ukrainian Armed Forces. It is difficult for Ukraine to maintain control of the east; there are direct supplies for the front from Russian territory. And the Black Sea and Azov coasts will soon be liberated by Ukraine.


Title: Re: China India tensions on impact to Global economy possible china India war
Post by: Hamza2424 on April 01, 2024, 10:36:29 PM
Indeed China is the opponent of India and America which is why America has good relations with India and America knows the geographical worth of India's location. In case of, if America wants to start any operation in China America can use an Indian location for their benefit. I heard the news that after so much time America again starts to maintain good relations with Pakistan as well as its a long time since America had no contact with Pakistan and as far as I remember last time America has collaborated with Pakistani President Imran Khan a long time ago, and know again there is another signal of making strong relation is getting viral on social news.

In my personal point of view, America also knows the geographical worth of Pakistan as well because of two points China and Afghanistan both are the strong opponents of America and America wants to deploy as many operations as they want using these geographical locations like Pakistan and India that is why America want to rebuilt good relation again with Pakistan.


Title: Re: China India tensions on impact to Global economy possible china India war
Post by: DrBeer on April 14, 2024, 12:35:31 PM
China's goals "in India" today are quite simple - to make India unattractive for Western investments and for transit of Western manufacturers from China to India. China will not go to war with India - it could be a fatal decision for China - India is a large, powerful country, and the West will be on its side in this conflict for many reasons. China will most likely not "sign a surrender", but it is guaranteed to get a ruined economy, which is already rolling into the abyss. The only war that the Chinese government needs to "lower the degree in the country" is a "small victorious war", against a small country, and guaranteed to be weak, as all totalitarian regimes behave in this way, as well as all anti-human regimes.

Bottom line: the biggest danger from India to China is its attractiveness as an object for investment and shifting the "attention" of Western investors from China to India. So China will try to destabilize India, but it will not go to war.


Title: Re: China India tensions on impact to Global economy possible china India war
Post by: Argoo on April 30, 2024, 08:21:21 PM
China's goals "in India" today are quite simple - to make India unattractive for Western investments and for transit of Western manufacturers from China to India. China will not go to war with India - it could be a fatal decision for China - India is a large, powerful country, and the West will be on its side in this conflict for many reasons. China will most likely not "sign a surrender", but it is guaranteed to get a ruined economy, which is already rolling into the abyss. The only war that the Chinese government needs to "lower the degree in the country" is a "small victorious war", against a small country, and guaranteed to be weak, as all totalitarian regimes behave in this way, as well as all anti-human regimes.

Bottom line: the biggest danger from India to China is its attractiveness as an object for investment and shifting the "attention" of Western investors from China to India. So China will try to destabilize India, but it will not go to war.
India's population has surpassed 1.428 billion, slightly larger than China's 1.425 billion, according to the United Nations. You can imagine what would happen if one country with a population of almost one and a half billion people declared war on a country with the same number of people. No matter how events unfold, a war between them will be a disaster for both states. I think that both China and India understand this. Therefore, I don’t think that a real war will break out between them in the foreseeable future. Economic, yes, or some minor provocations.
China, I think, is more interested in Taiwan. But this will depend on the results of Russia’s war against Ukraine. If Russia does not win the war, China will also be forced to hold back its imperial ambitions.


Title: Re: China India tensions on impact to Global economy possible china India war
Post by: pooya87 on May 01, 2024, 02:08:38 PM
Moreover, Russia no longer dominates the Black Sea.

Russia will not be able to hold the south of Ukraine for long.
Let me clarify two things about my statement.
My analysis about the "dominance in the Black Sea" was based on the current situation (ie. those regions are already under Russian control) not what may or may not change in the future. If that situation changes, obviously the dominance I talked about become void.

Also the "dominance" I was talking about is for after the war ends not during it.
Otherwise these "big" navies like Russian, US and even Chinese are too slow and I dare say too outdated technologically to survive modern warfare. Basically Russian Navy is facing the exact same threat in Black Sea that US Navy has been facing in Red Sea for the past 6 months, and both are failing miserably.

The remnants of its Black Sea Fleet are hiding away from Ukraine's maritime surface drones and its Neptune anti-ship missiles.
The biggest threat and the only reason why Russian Navy is "hiding" is the UAVs and USVs, otherwise I seriously doubt that a subsonic cruise missile like Neptune that can easily be countered is categorized as a "serious" threat even if the stories of its successful hits aren't fabricated.


Title: Re: China India tensions on impact to Global economy possible china India war
Post by: Argoo on May 01, 2024, 03:18:43 PM
Moreover, Russia no longer dominates the Black Sea.

Russia will not be able to hold the south of Ukraine for long.
Let me clarify two things about my statement.
My analysis about the "dominance in the Black Sea" was based on the current situation (ie. those regions are already under Russian control) not what may or may not change in the future. If that situation changes, obviously the dominance I talked about become void.

Also the "dominance" I was talking about is for after the war ends not during it.
Otherwise these "big" navies like Russian, US and even Chinese are too slow and I dare say too outdated technologically to survive modern warfare. Basically Russian Navy is facing the exact same threat in Black Sea that US Navy has been facing in Red Sea for the past 6 months, and both are failing miserably.

The remnants of its Black Sea Fleet are hiding away from Ukraine's maritime surface drones and its Neptune anti-ship missiles.
The biggest threat and the only reason why Russian Navy is "hiding" is the UAVs and USVs, otherwise I seriously doubt that a subsonic cruise missile like Neptune that can easily be countered is categorized as a "serious" threat even if the stories of its successful hits aren't fabricated.
Even now it cannot be said that Russia dominates the Black Sea and it is unlikely that this situation will change positively for it after its current war with Ukraine. Yes, Russia has captured part of the eastern and southern regions of Ukraine. But the south for her now is like a suitcase without a handle. It’s a pity to lose, and it’s hard to bear. Why has the Russian occupiers been unable to drive out the Ukrainian landing forces on the left bank of the Dnieper near the village of Krynki for more than six months? And not only can they not do this, but the bridgehead is expanding, and the Russians are suffering heavy losses and cannot do anything about it?
 
The captured south of Ukraine is a long strip about a hundred kilometers wide. And all of it is constantly under fire control of the Ukrainian Armed Forces. To deliver ammunition to the Krynok region, it must be transported either through the captured land part of Ukraine, which is over 800 kilometers under fire, or bypassing through the captured Crimean peninsula. And Russians regularly fly to the Crimean peninsula to visit military installations, and recently high-precision missiles have been methodically destroying Russian air defenses located there in the form of S-300 and S-400 air defense systems. Planned preparations are underway for the appearance of F-16 aircraft and a large number of long-range missiles in Ukraine.

After the inevitable destruction of the Crimean Bridge, the south of Ukraine and Crimea itself will already turn for the Russians from a suitcase without a handle into a bag of fire and a trap from which it will be very difficult to escape. Russia understands this and is now building a railway across the captured south of Ukraine in case the Crimean Bridge is destroyed. This is in an area where the partisan movement works well and any movement of Russian equipment and manpower immediately becomes known to the Ukrainian Armed Forces, and the partisans themselves can blow up the bridges and rails of this railway.

The West has already decided that Russia cannot win this war of aggression. This means that the “dominance” of Russians there is temporary and purely conditional.


Title: Re: China India tensions on impact to Global economy possible china India war
Post by: DrBeer on May 07, 2024, 06:43:19 AM
It seems that China, having received the "last Chinese warning" from the US, has decided to start behaving a little more adequately.... Plus, the Chinese authorities understand perfectly well that the Chinese economy is completely dependent on the given markets and finances, and playing games with pariah countries and terrorist countries will only accelerate the loss of markets and investments. In addition, for example, Russia, as a raw material appendage and "guinea pig", will not go anywhere from China, because it is completely dependent on Chinese supplies of everything!
The year 2024 will be quite interesting in terms of China's attempts to maneuver between the bravado of "we are the second economy of the world/the whole world depends on us" and the plea of "leave us something and don't throw us out of Western markets, please!". At the same time, as a totalitarian regime with complexes, it will still try to "crap on its neighbors" or try to show its fake "greatness" in some places