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Have you ever been in the situation of asking your friend (s) to go down with you on a P2P gambling just between you as friends?

This happens especially on the cards, Chess and the other skill-based gambling.
I came across friends fighting throwing words at each other one was expressing his disappointments at his other friend while the other was mocking at him.
It was discovered that the one mocking the other asked the other one to step on let them gamble on a P2P and on the process the one being mocked lost all his funds for the other guy. And he has been asking the guy that won the crown to return him return about 30% out of the $190 lost but the other guy told him that there is no return and no compensations in the gamble so if he must give him back some returns it would be based on his own will.

Guess what, after all he ended up returning $10 to his friend.
So I ask, did the friend do well in returning $10 to his friend or the returned $10 was not enough?

To me, in general, that seems wickedness of gambling between friends on a P2P because such friends are not worthy to be trusted considering the sentiments in playing to win.
I would say that is a daylight extortions amongst each others.

This is why I don't want to gamble in real P2P, but if my friend keep forcing me, I will ask him to bet as low as possible or bet on ridiculous stuff e.g. candy, snack etc.

It's nothing new for the losers keep complaining about their losses, just like many users in this forum who create fake accusation even though they're loss and broke the rules. That's why third party is needed here.

One-on-one gambling is one of the most dangerous ways to get into betting with anyone. The violence it promotes is just something else compared to other forms of gambling. You can easily get physical and life-threatening with your opponent if they start feeling uncomfortable due to your high rate of winning them. 
 
On the aspect of returning some of the money, just like some casinos give back some percentage of their weekly or monthly wage to their customers, it's something of a choice, and this should also be based on the agreement they made before they decided to place a bet in the first place.
 
What the other person did was just to reduce the anger that the person who won was having; if there was no such agreement to return some of the money, then there is no need to do that. If the guy knows that he can't accept defeat, why gamble with that kind of money in the first place?

He do not want to lose then why did he gamble? Or let me say he do not want to lose 30% of the $190, then why did he gamble with the 30%. 30% of $190 is $57. He could have just gambled with $133 or lesser than that. If he won his friend, what tendency that he will even give the $10 back? No tendency. I will prefer not to gamble with a friend but if I did, I will not give him even 1 cent back.

Hmm, this makes me think about a lot of other things.

P2P gambling with friends can suck if you all can't trust each other, not all friends like keeping their words, and fights? This happens even in online  multiplayer games like Fortnite.

Are there people hoping that Metaverse works well with gambling? It's going to be the same experience, people will always be people, there will be fights and hateful words coming from friends to friends.

Still, I recommend online gambling among friends, with a metaverse idea, because the company will be the middle man, when or if anyone wins they get paid, and about the hate words and cursing, the company only needs to introduce a ban on anyone's account if they use hateful words on other players.

If you don't want to be monitored, I doubt you will have a good experience gambling with your friends, when people even friends lose money unexpectedly, they will probably misbehave, and also you can't tell if your friend is really ready to lose some certain amount.

It's competition between two, so what you do expect? specially friends who have known each other so there will be a lot of trash talking and what not. And for sure, they want to beat each other, in a P2P battle.

I think it's enough to return what ever he wants to his friends. And at the end of the day, most likely they will still be friends. It's that their fiercely competitor and just like in any other sports, you have to beat the other guy no matter what.

If I want to gamble with my friends, I will scream out loud on them first, about using only what they cab afford to lose its my style, because I don't want to hear some sad sober after losing money.

After this you must abide by the rules and give accept your losses if you lose, but of cos not everyone will be this transparent, that why some people prefer using an outsider like a referee like, to keep the game clean and fair.

Money can turn friends into enemies and it can turn families into enemies too, this is why you should be careful when money is involved in anything we are doing, your trusted friends can't be trusted when money is involved.

The winner in this situation is completely correct about there not being any form of compensation in gambling after losing. The consequence of losing is total loss, and other it can be a bitter and hard lesson, the loser has to learn it, so next time he will think again before choosing to want to gamble with a friend.

He did well to return 10 USD, Casino's and betting websites do not have such a policy to compensate gamblers when they lose in gambling, so he should thank his friend for his thoughtfulness and sympathy to compensate him the loser.

This is absurd thing to do or else you really not friends. Why do you want to gamble within yourself and inflict loss to each other while you can do this against the casino or other person that you didn’t knew personally.

Both of them are always together so in the end they will just spend the winning money together when they purchase something for sharing. Besides it’s really awkward to bet against each other because the intention of gambling is to earn money through the lose of others.

I would not even consider to engage in PvP gambling with friends, specially if there are actual amounts of money involved in the game. It is better just to let the PvP gambling with real money to happen among strangers, in my opinion.

There is a good example which is common in my family and close relatives, every time we choose to gather to play cards and have fun during some holiday I have noticed those who play cards choose not to wager actual money but the wager stones, or bottle caps which represent the money. The reason is exactly for them to avoid to have fighting and hold grudges about the money lost/won. It so specially important, because they usually drink a bit while the gamble, so of they wagered actual money, they could fight.

I think the main takeaways about this is how one is supposed to care of one's friendships and be aware enough not to spoil all by winning money from them and even to brag about it.

10% is fair enough. That should be about $19 from the money he won from his friend. Asking for 30% is quite selfish of the loser but it is fine to see that they resolved at 10%


It is not wickedness and nothing is wrong with that in terms of money exchanging hands in such situation of local gambling. Such is regarded as face to face gambling or local gambling and it is usually done by friends who are close to each other. Sometimes when such friends are at it gambling, people who are not in that circle may not know they are gambling and even their friends could go pass dem without knowing that the game their kids are playing that they bet money on it. This is an old system of gambling and it is usually by young friends in the neighborhood.

The only thing that is wrong with it is that it usually ends in fighting which could be caused by anything including argument, confusion or settlement at the end of the game. Usually the fight starts from the loser who becomes angry at any slightest provocation  ;D of course because he is losing his money.

One of the disadvantages of this P2P betting is that gamblers don't control their emotions and they gamble as they can't bear even to gamble on credit all because they are angry their friend(s) would be going home with their hard earned money so they want to do everything to regain their money leading to all sorts of anger and vituperation that can end in fighting. Most straight fights by youths are as a result of gambling


It is not extortion. It is a normal grassroot gambling pattern and involves settlement to the loser at the end of the game but where the winner doesn't settle the loser on any amount or as lower as what the loser expect, either the loser starts a fight or he waits for his own turn to win and get back to repay the loser in his own deed.

It is not related to fair at all but the winner is willing to give the loser back 10% which is not bad at all but that makes me not to talk about fair or not. What makes it fair to me is that if there is not cheating and no manipulation. If the winner do not give back any amount of money, it is also fair as long as there is no cheating and manipulation by any if the gambler. If I am the friend, I will not give back the money at all but spend it all. Although the loser may be begging the winner and the winner may just be considerate. The right word is consideration.

the person who gave his friend $10 is more than generous enough. it's gambling, if you gamble you need to know your limit, if you know you don't want to lose your money, don't gamble. I gamble with my friends, family and relatives from time to time and all of us know that if you lose, then you lose. you can ask for a tip and that is all that you can do, you don't get to demand that the person who won give you a portion of your money back. the guy who demanded that 30% of the money he lost be given back to him should avoid gambling or people avoid gambling with him.

I don't know what to say about this. Insults aside, how can they gamble that much money if they can't afford to lose them all just because they know each other? I can understand if they make a contract or invite a third party to mediate that, but it sounds like both of them are quite naive.

I don't recall seeing my friends or strangers do something like this, but I do know one or two people who like to borrow and delay the payment because both of them are friends. Not to the point of insulting each other though. I do agree that making P2P bets with your friend is a recipe to destroy your relationship, anything related to money usually ends up that way. CMIIW.

I don't get it. If you aren't calm about losing money in a bet, then you shouldn't bet at all. Having that discussion and losing that $190 and the loser asking 30% is just a disgrace. He is a sore loser with the way he handled the loss. It's just not reliable to bet if that's the kind of person he is.

No! That's not any form of extortion, it was a voluntarily p2p gambling between the two despite they are friends doesn't mean the money won by one party ought to be returned to the other party. It should be a thing done out of volition by the friend. This is not something alien to me as I have friends that we together waste away time by gambling amongg ourselves and the winners end up buying beers for everyone that we have to drink and make random gists without fighting or quarrelling. What I just picture from those two friend s is that they are not mature minded persons.

I believe they both understood the terms and conditions attached to the p2p gambling before deciding to gamble. I bet you, the one who loss wouldn't have been upset if he was the one who won. I see no extortion here since no one forced anyone to gamble, it was voluntary and there must always be a winner and a loser. Anyone who is scared of losing money or who is never willing to lose money should not engage in gambling. And if you cannot control your emotions no matter what kind of gambling you engage in, then gambling is not for you too. It is sad to know that a game which was supposed to be a fun activity turn out to ruin the friendship that existed between the two because one party was not willing to accept the outcome of the game. As a gambler, always prepare your mind for any outcome, this way you don't let your emotions control you.

Well, respecting the way of thinking of each one of you, I have a coniviction, I could not see gambling in a casino as a job, because for me it involves a lot of risk, that's fine, we can be very lucky and expand our balance, it is You can generate a lot of money, but just as you can have that good luck, you can count on the bad luck of losing everything and a job is one that you do for at least 15 days and they give you a fortnight or 30 days where you receive the same salary. , so in view of that, there is a big difference, at work if we make a mistake and we correct it then we will still have our payment, but in a casino if we make a mistake the casino will not give us the money, these are things that should be considered.

I think that the healthiest thing is to see things as they are, the casino is a means of adult entertainment that has an apparent risk, where we should not abuse our abilities, much less see it as an income or job, because we will have a bad experience. at the moment when our good streak ends.

Friends are friends still. REturning at least $10 voluntarily I think is a good gesture for being a sportsman between the two. And if the other party is not grateful about this $10, I guess he can take that $10 back and friendship over.

The ones who gave $10 still is willing to give this friendship a chance. But I would rather not play p2p gambling game with a friend if I know from the beginning he is a bit of a contrary person.

More like it , gambling generally should be  taken as a means of entertaining and should only be done amoung adult because they should fix any risk incurred while playing without too much stress taken

If gambling should be taken as job there's a higher probability  of wreckage than success and must be known as casinos won't  take responsibility of any damage it does to someone

No, that was actually too much. He could just ignore him and not give anything. Friends' battle on betting doesn't have rakebacks or anything. It's just plain betting and no tax too. :D
If the other guy wins, will he do the same for you? I doubt that. When it comes to money, friends become enemies.

Because they bet too much. I've done a lot of friends P2P here in our place against friends especially when NBA Finals comes. $10 is the highest bet against me and sometimes some friends would just bet for who will pay for the drinks of one liter of brandy and finger foods when we do our weekend drinking session. I've won that last time when the Denver Nuggets won and my friends did as promised.

The problem with your example is they went too high with their bets and it is not fun anymore. I mean, it's not a friendly battle when you go that high, it becomes a serious gamble. How can you talk about the game afterward if you are angry with each other because the loser is still hurting about the big loss that happened to him?

Simple small bets are the best when it comes to P2P gambling, doesn't matter if it's someone you know or didn't know, it doesn't matter if you're friends or not. A simple $10 or $20 bet is okay. If those friends had staked small there wouldn't have been any trouble, it would have been fun. It's almost the same with online casinos, if you gamble within your means and not more than you can afford to lose it'll be fun even if you win or lose.

People gamble on P2P all the time. You're not doing it to make money off the next person, you're just doing it for fun, the price of the win isn't really important. There are times I've turned down bets because the money was too high. I didn't gamble not because I couldn't afford it, but because I wouldn't be brutal enough to collect my winnings from the person, I'll just feel sorry for him and let him go, and also because it would no longer be fun for me if I lose a large amount of money over a silly gamble.

Most people don't seem to understand what it means to separate friendship from games. Let's look at the cases of football players, for example, in a game where Real Madrid plays against PSG, for example, the players on the field will fight among themselves because on the field they need to win, they are doing their job, they need to show the coach and the club president that they are doing everything they can to win the game, on the field they need to show their fans that they are trying hard to win. So both teams on the field are mortal enemies, but when the game ends, then the players from both teams return to talking normally with the feeling of friendship, without any problems, without any anger, without any grudges.

because those players, even though they know they are playing against their friends, they know that on the field there are no friendships or family, on the field they must beat the opponent. This is what many people don't like to understand, they think that when they are playing with friends, then they should continue treating each other as friends and when one friend wins the other friend gets angry and starts physical aggression, here in my country this happens a lot. kind of things. 'For example, here on my street there is a snooker table. The young people on my street are all friends, I'm not their friend, I don't know them. but they know each other very well, many of them grew up together

But when are they going to play snooker? It doesn't take long for them to start insulting each other, they start to humiliate each other and after a while they start to fight each other, all because of just one game of pool, every day I keep asking myself why they continue to insist on playing snooker if Then they will start fighting? What's the point of them doing this? I honestly can't understand it. The only thing that is clear in my head is that I should stay away from them, because if they have that behavior with someone who has lived with them for many years, imagine how they will treat someone they have recently seen. games should not be for mentally unstable people

Gambling and friendship should not be mixed. The relationship between gamblers and each other is that of opponents, you may lose your friendship status at the poker table, but outside the table, you can continue that friendship. If a friend is not ready to lose in p2p betting? So can restraint make the game fun for all participants involved???

If you don't want to damage friendships or the like, it's better not to gamble against friends. Feelings of shyness are what make friendships unattractive. That's why I choose to gamble against other people on online platforms, rather than having to gamble against my own friends.

Have I never gambled against friends??? I do that very often... and our bets are not money, but more likely to be regular food or maybe drinks or small items just for fun... the amount doesn't matter, what matters is the atmosphere.

You have really made a vital and valuable point here @Jawhead999.
This has got me think otherwise that any friend asking the other to bet with money or some kind of valuable that would be hurt after lost just as these guys did is not worth keeping for friendship because there will always that opinion and aiming for personal interests and without conscience of draining your friends valuables while swimming in the pool of joy at the process.

Definitely playing while some kind of tolerable stakes like edible stuffs are staked would derive more funs .
But while gaming with money staked is assumed they see re chasing profits which definitely the looser will always be sentimental with the other friend (s).

So the good memories of the games would only be if there is no team regreting. Infact, when the other Friend wins when edible stuffs are involved, even the looser will still find funs and smile over it all and that is just how the great memories Will keep rolling amongst themselves.

I used to bet against my friend several times before, and if someone's on the losing end they know there's no way to get their money back except for specific reasons.

Back to the topic, the other friend in that situation is stepping over the line, and the winner is already generous enough to give anything back. Getting peer pressured to give a portion of your winnings shouldn't happen unless you're the one who made the initiative.

Well, if you have such a close friendship that playing a P2P game, it will not affect your relationship, only then you should go for the P2P game with your friends and enjoy the time. However, when real money is involved, no one will want to play the game and it can develop into a very tricky situation.
For those who were friends before the game, the P2P game conflict can turn them into enemies and their friendship can be lost forever. So it is very important that we know the state of mind of our friends and if both the friends can bear the loss happily only then they should go for such competitions.


Its OK to have the competition, to have a fight and express the emotions with the casinos where they are playing the P2P. After the game, they should be back to normal friends and walk out of the casino happily. If the tension between them continues even after they leave the casino, then it is something not expected of them. :(

Hahaha. If you ask me, if those two were my friends I would get two pairs of boxing gloves and tell them to bet for themselves and have a boxing match until the other man surrenders.

It's actually a very laughable situation because why would anyone ask for some of his/her money back if he/she lost the bet? The lesson there is simply - Don't gamble if you're afraid to lose some money.

That is one way to look at it op. P2P gambling can mess up friendships royally for sure, but they can also strengthen them using the right strategies. For example, many gamblers tend to collude with each other in games like poker etc.

This is unethical stuff, but people do it anyways since they prioritise money over morals. If done correctly, they earn money and strengthen their bonds.

I think that's exactly the problem here, someone gambled with money they couldn't afford to lose... and when they lost it the crying started. I also think that you have a good proposition here, every problem has a solution, so a boxing match doesn't sound like a bad idea in this case.

The lesson of this story should be that it is not wise to gamble with close friends, some would say that it's also not wise to lend money to friends... that is how friends are lost. I know from experience that this can be very true, of course, there are exceptions and responsible people and friends, but some are difficult and they show their real face in situations where money is involved, especially with some serious amounts.

Chess isn't a gambling game. Do you play Chess for money(or bet on Chess games)? ;D
Anyway, the people, who get angry and act butthurt when they lose money on gambling aren't mature. Are the guys you were writing about teenagers or young adults? The guy, who lost money should grow a pair of balls and accept his loss. Gambling isn't for children or weak minded men. I totally agree that money can destroy every friendship. If those guys really care about their friendship, they wouldn't agree on playing a gambling game with big bets, or at least they would not care that much about losing or winning 10 dollars.

This is the typical saying here if someone wants to fist fight but they really don’t want to fight in reality. Just an ego taunt but really afraid to get hurt. But we have this kind boxing tournament during our festival which many participate just to cool down with their personal conflicts.



I honestly do this, we usually play poker with my friend then later on just purchased our total profit with food and drinks that we share together. The gambling part is just to decide who will gonna treat us with our meal for that day. It’s really fun as long as you don’t use money that you can’t afford to lose.

Your friend do sound very immature to be honest. Why mock when competing with each other? Was it like a "strategy" to distract your friend so he loses the bet? If that is the case, then tell him it's not a fair win. But I doubt the other guy is going to listen. And yeah, you can't ask for your money back when you lose a bet. Not even a portion of it. Since you guys aren't chill enough with each other, I think it is a bad idea to compete against each other, specially when money is involved. This will only ruin your friendship and make things worse.

I think it's just some sort of making fun, like shouting the loser is loser, it gives pressure, but it shouldn't be use as an excuse if he lost.

Sometimes I keep thinking what's the benefit of having friends? I think when a friend is genuine ask a loan, he's really struggle and has no way to figure it out except seeking help from his close relative.

If we're limiting those "personal help" to our friends, what's the difference between friends and strangers? ???

Same as cards, even you're playing poker, you don't have to stake anything to play. Actually chess is a games that can be used to gamble, many casinos listed chess in their sportsbook.

https://i.postimg.cc/CKDTKjGT/chess.png

I have never played P2P gambling with friends and I don't recommend it to anyone. It seems to me that if you play against a friend in such games, you are no longer friends. You can play different games with friends, but not for money and not for bets, but just for fun, so that neither of you will feel bad if you lose. Money can damage friendship, and no amount of money can compensate for the loss of friends.

but sometimes you can act as buddy in tipping lol.,so if one losses then the
other one will act sa or may become the winner to give back other losses

but we do this often to gamble with each others , sometimes all of us 4 are
betting against each other and yes we are enjoying the game without personal grudge.

that is cool mate, betting for food and drinks? hehe

When will people learn that the emotions that come with gambling may be too much to bear in many cases after losses mostly with boos from supposed friends trying to worsen the mood?
 When will they get to understand that money creates rift between friendship mostly when it involves gambling and drinking and talking alot without making sense?

When people get to understand that gambling should be for fun and more or less as a way to bond between friends rather than make it as a compulsory activity on frequent basis, only then will issues like this P2p gambling scenario cease.

person to person gambling be it online or in real life is not advisable at all because it can result to violence, hate and anger because I have watched people play gamble with each other and in the process, arguments and suspicion are being raised especially if one of them is winning the other conspicuously, the other will be feeling that he is using diabolical means on him. Though sometimes friends just do it for fun but am not a party to it.

kinda sweet gaming ,betting snacks for a game i for me the best way to treat  this games to at least ease the eagerness to beat each others, sometimes our friend wanted to prove themselves that they are better or skillful than us thats why they are trying to beat us in games.

exactly, it is harder for others to accept their defeat and putting wrong accusation just to justify their weaknesses about those games.

I did P2P gambling in my secondary school days. I played mocking post with my classmates in the football field, I was really good at it, and I won most of the bets but that's how far I went. P2P gambling is very risky, especially if you're gambling behind close doors. I've heard some sad stories of gamblers injuring or taking the life of a fellow gambler over disagreement and we should try as much as possible to stay away from it.

The friend was more than kind to return $10 dollars to him. Gambling is a game of winning and loses, if he didn't want to lose, he shouldn't have gambled at the first place.

Yes, that's what I'm expecting to my friends as well, even in a pick up games, let's say NBA and there are money on the line which usually does, we tend to become competitive and we forget that we are friends.

And it wouldn't be a good game if you treat him as friends and allow him to win isn't it? Just leave the tension behind after and stay cool with each them. Been with this kind of games before and I never encounter not even friends that keep the emotions after the game itself. Be just a sport and that's it.

Be something to be a responsible bettor on which i dont see any solid reasons on why you would really be coming up that far in speaking about those kind of approach when it comes to gambling on where
you would really be able to make those kind of arguments in together with your friends. If those kind of talkings and bashings would really be just that some sort of friendly approach and doesnt really
cross up any line when it comes to rights or right treatment then it should be find but we do know that things turns out to be personal and this could really happen.

This is one of the main reasons that if you do saw that you are really that highly reactive when it comes to those things then it would be better that you should really be that betting on your own
rather than on having some company or your friends that you do bet together on. This is why it would really be better that you should be betting on your own solo.
You wont really be having those potential problems.

That's the most important thing. As long as both parties stay cool even with the complete opposite sides of the bet, then it's fine. Being sports is what everyone should think, both sides should also know how to receive trash talk that after the game, all is well, whatever happens, is just to heat the game. More like there's no deep meaning to everything you said.

If ever your friend thinks bad about it, and he even says something while you are playing, then it is not a good thing to play with that friend anymore.

Your advice is not bad at all, if you don't want to break the chain of friendship its better not to gamble, but I can't help but remember how my friends and I used to place bet on games among us, both local and other and we have never quarell about it, but there is a part that might be contributing to why we never had any fight, we never risk a lot of money, its always small amount, the type for buying lollipop or some candies.

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Games or gamble among friends are fun when what's on the table is not very alarming, I am talking about the amount at stake, lesser money equals to less fear and less panic, how will anyone enjoy a game or have a great time if they are risking too much? They won't be able to focus on the game and they won't have a great time either.

If you are in the midst of friends that want to gamble, you must not accept with them when they want to risk high amount of money, its almost impossible that everyone will be fine with that amount, unless you are all millionaires, you all should know what's big and what's small in your capacities.

Well this is delicade, even my best friend and I bet against each other to see who is the best, but that doesn't hurt the friendship between us, in fact it has always been like that, since we played play statiom since we were in high school We were like that, even in a chess tournament we always face each other, then those things are normal rivalries, I think some people should mature that type of feeling, of course when I win or he wins neither one makes fun of the other and that reaction seems like If it were very professional, in the same way we do not mix anything personal when we face each other, that is only the best and I would say that it is close to the sports spirit.

We in the casino and in any game must learn to be very gentlemanly, we must not make fun of, or feel superior to anyone, because the game takes many turns, and that is something we must always consider, there is nothing better than when we have to When two friends face each other in a game or in a sport, they respect each other and accept defeat and victory respectively. This happens a lot in sports, even in contact sports.

I was. Several years ago two of my friends, professional poker players at time, visited me and since there's a beach near where I live we decided to go there and I suggested to play poker there, just for fun. I had this cheap Texas hold 'em kit, similar to this one

https://www.talkimg.com/images/2024/03/21/J4zv5.png

and I took it with me on the beach. We spent several hours there, but none of them ever mentioned the game, and it was obvious that neither of them wanted to play, even "for fun", and I wasn't insisting either. So, that's how it went.

Misunderstandings resulting from p2p gambling(as called or termed it) is nothing new, but I would actually say it's very common amongst friends, I remember back in the day, I had some friends and we constantly on daily basis, used to play a card game called whot whot, it was an interesting card game that can be played by two or more persons, up to six actually.
We used to play without staking any money, and even at this, sometimes, we usually have to end the game with a quarrel between one or two persons who feel or felt they were cheated or simply agree due to their bad luck, but after this whole thing, we all still never stop being friends.

And some point, we eventually started staking some money small amount of money, and I remember it resulted to a serious fight one day, because the two other players accused the over all winner for cheating, that resulted to them fighting, but later on, the issue was settled and we all continued as friends, but we eventually had to stop p2p gambling with funds staking, we just started playing for free and fun.

So, in essence, p2p gambling will always bring some misunderstanding between friends, but if those friends have a strong bonds, those misunderstandings won't or shouldn't separate them, rather it can only make their bond even more stronger.

You shouldn't gamble against your friends but you should gamble with them. I've done that and it's normal in our neighborhood when most of us are fans of specific sports or when there's the hype for that particular sport and it's making rounds on that moment. Well, with our neighborhood, there's no grudge for each other and if someone loses, we just poke at each other and tells that we're going to do better and it ends there. That's why if you can't take the heat of gambling against your friends, you shouldn't do it because you'll never know even if you are the kindest person and the friend of yours have something on his attitude, you'll have hard time to adjust but you befriended him while he's like that.
So, the same goes for the card games and it's also quite a norm to play with your friends but betting with money that you can't afford to lose, there's gotta be a problem that will develop soon with that. When you guys decided to gamble, gamble only with the money that no matter what happens, there will be no grudge with all of you. If it's better, do some promises or even contracts that if someone losses, no returning back of those lost money.

What is need to gamble if he haven't made up his mind to lose,  the friend is so kind to have given that $10 at the end of the day, the question he should have asked is, if he had gamble in an online casinos or physical casino will he have hard the option of getting a tip after he have lost?

Best thing for him is to just walk away and be thankful to the friend that won his money that is willing to give him some tp at least he will have some left over to gamble again or save as pocket money and bear the pain until he is recovered and learnt the lesson never to gamble with an amount he can't afford to lose.

In this case, the amount is not big enough, so for me, the decision to return is not that hard. But if you talk about 1000 bucks or more, I believe the person may think hard before returning it. At least, his friend returned something. Because if you bet even with your friends, do you really expect to get something afterwards even if you lose your bet? This is not the case when you are inside a casino. You can't tell the site that they need to return something from what you wagered, right?

On this situation, clearly, the friend who lost didn't have the sportsmanship virtue. Why would you expect to get something if you really lost the bet? It will only happen if you are indeed friends, but if not, don't anticipate that the winner will give back some portion of it.

Gambling is gambling, win or lose one who involved must accept it and mocking part is just part of bully that associated with natural behaviour of that friends while the important thing is the one who lost seeks compensation in terms of what? Is that what he did when he lost money on a casino right? Then rules are rules and there is no place for sentiments in it.

I agree with you, it's not nice when you try to profit of your friends and I would even say that it's not a serious friendship. Gambling is fun and if you are just looking for some action to have a good time, I can understand that, but it shouldn't go so far that you are trying to make money of your friend. This is especially the case with skill-based games where one player has an advantage over the others. In my case I do gamble with friends sometimes, but only with very small stakes that never hurt anybody. During our poker nights we usually have a buyin of 5 USD, which keeps the game interesting and doesn't let you feel bad when you lose. The other form of gambling we have is when watching some sport matches, we like to bet on the outcome for one beer. Again, it doesn't really hurt if you have to pay for a beer of your friend and it makes the game a bit more interesting. I would always prefer to wager for some physical things, like drinks or food then betting money. Among friends’ money should never be an option as it will only lead to anger and could ruin a friendship in the worst case.

The guy is really a very good guy to even return a dime to his friend, after all, there was no rule defining any refund policy before the engagement, or was there one??. He Forgets one thing, which is that at that point, the funds no longer belongs to him, but his friend. Now, if he gambled online and lost the funds to a casino, would he go back to instruct the casino on how much to refund to him?. Of course not, so let him accept his fate ave stop acting like an over grown baby.

Daylight extortion you say?.
Was he forced to gamble?.
Why did he involve funds that he's not willing to lose in the gambling act?.
Honestly bro, these your judgment is based on pure sentiments. In the streets you take risks, and those risks you take, be sure and ready to bear the consequences,  you don't do something expecting a pattern of response from another person, unless its previously agreed upon, with a third party as a witness, else you're entirely on your own with your expectations.

Yep, in order to make a lot friends, you need to become one of them or support them instead of against them. In business it's really important to have a lot relations, don't make enemies even though it's your competitor, try to collaboration with them.

In normal friendship, it's also important to have a lot relations, maybe they could help us in the future.

Ruining your relationship because of gambling, is really stupid IMO.

I see the other guy as been generous enough and that his friend instead of expressing disappointment, he should be glad he's friend was still kind enough to still fix him some funds because if it were to be at the casino he can be sure not to get my form of compensation again rather he would loose all that he lost totally and that would be the end without any compensation but he's friend was actually kind enough so he would get something to still fall back to after loosing everything, if her were to be in the shoes of his friend would he have done same? That should be the question he should put to himself before seeing he's friend as a bad fellow.

Some persons will actually not do what they want others to do for them and more sadly they won't be great full even at that which is actually the sad part of the whole thing,  that guy is actually ungrateful in my point of view because in gambling what ever you loose you only recover it by winning back so if you get compensated after losses you should be great full.

If I can recall correctly there is not wickedness within them let say if someone gamble and it turns out that there is no winning why on earth would he asked for a refund, okay, let us just assumed they gambled on a website and it happens he lost would he in any day go ask the gambling to make him a refund?

This is not possible because we know that there is no refund after bet and even if there will be refund it should on a friendly manner and maybe he felt so puttied and decided to refund him some percentage even as that the loser must not asked a specific amount except the winner wishes to give out amount that he wants to otherwise I don't see where such game is being played. However is there no boardman someone who is in charge of taking the funds into his hands?

I agree with your statement.

Bringing your friend in a gambling establishment CAN be a good idea but it can quickly backfire since money here is involved. Another thing, if you also bring your friend along, they may offer you some cash or loan to continue your habits. But that loan/cash comes with a conditional requirement that you have to fulfill. Not to mention, if you won using their money, they would definitely feel entitled to receive at least 50% of the total prize you just won.

In conclusion, having a friend/companion with you can be a good idea if you want to bring someone along to tag or to accompany you. But other than that, the risks are just too great for you to experience and expect financial problems to be involved in the process.

That do really sucks on that case on which if ever you have some winning making use of your friends money even if its borrowed or been loaned and you are entitled to give out 50% of the winning?
Thats too fuck up on that case and there would really be that those argumentation in between parties if thats the current dealing or terms but if you are someone whose really that loving to make
bets and having no money then you wont really be having no choice but to deal up with those kind of arrangement on which we do know that this is something not really that fair at all
no matter what angle you would really be tending to look upon. This is where gaps and those grudges would be mold up on the time that these kind of taking advantage situation
do really happens.

Which is why I prefer it on sports betting sites to avoid issues on p2p betting. I am into p2p betting before for more than a decade. Many times I bet against my friends and there are really times that some of them are not willing to pay accordingly. It is really harder to collect winnings on p2p unless you only bet against people that are reliable.

Mocking are just words and is normal and I have no problem with it as long as it is nothing beyond personal. People who can't take a joke should just stay away then. The same also to people that mocked with personal intentions.

There is no refund in gambling because there is an unwritten agreement between physical gamblers to engage in this risky game. The other gambler who is asking for a refund is immature and should stop gambling. I am sure he wouldn't have given his friend any refund if he was the winner. The other one has a good heart and should be commended. However, it is better to gamble at a casino than gamble with friends because it could lead to some disagreements.

Some friends see gambling with each other face-to-face as normal. I used to follow a friend to gamble with his other friends and he has never engaged in any alterations because his friends are mature and responsible gamblers. I also observed that one of the reasons why they meet is because they enjoy this form of gambling. As they are playing, they are talking, drinking, smoking, and jesting and the place is just lively and enjoyable. But like you said it is not good to gamble with friends who are immature gamblers or don't understand gambling.

Just go with the flow. Later on, I'm sure both of your friends will soon make peace with each other.

It's normal to see and witness P2P gambling within a circle of friends. It also happened here in our place in several games like, card games (Lucky 9, Pusoy), basketball games (local games, NBA, FIBA, actual basketball game between us), billiards (per table, poker card games, straight, 9ball, 8ball) and other games.

To the point that will exchange fist because of mocking with each other, well that's a different story and you guys need to step in.

This is very funny, a gambler lost all his funds to gamble, and he is asking for compensation, on what, for losing. What assuming he was gambling in the casino will he tell them to give him part of his loss.

Why is this happening, because I could remember when I was in college, if we gamble and lost, the loser will always ask for compensation. The annoying thing is that after compensating the loser, he will tell you that he wants to continue the game with the money that you have him, and he might end up using that small amount to win back all his loss, and make profit. Then you that compensated him will look like you are not smart. What I do, is that after compensation, I stop playing.

Betting against another person is good and mostly it will be careful or skill based games and one who is better off winning it will make more wins. As you said in friendly bets some of them will not pay afterwards that's why it's important to collect the bet amount before you make bets to avoid conflicts and there are actual places where we can gamble should be preferred for smooth gambling experience.

Playing cards games with my siblings during the holidays and also chess but this last game is not my favorite because I don't really like it.
Card games played with friends or close people will be fun if they have the same goal, namely to have fun, not because they want to make money or show skill in card games, and on the contrary, it will become an argument if the goal of fun changes and can even become hostility.

Another thing that can be obtained when playing P2P gambling is that we can communicate with each other and have fun, but unfortunately currently digitalization is changing many things, including gambling, but this type of P2P gambling is still often found in rural areas, which I saw when I was visiting someone in the village.

And regarding the case you mentioned, it is better to play only with very small money like I did with my siblings, and also make an agreement regarding maximum profits or other things so as not to damage friendships because they are feel unhappy with what happens in gambling.
However, if someone cannot accept losing, they should not be invited to play again because such people are not responsible gamblers and understand the risks involved in gambling.

That's so true, I've seen a lot of relationships and friendships that have ended because of issues related to money. Loans, finances and even gambling. That's why if you value your relationship with that person and they asks you to gamble with them, you can still proceed but make sure that it's just a small amount that no grudge will be formed. Because if it's about big amounts of money, that's going to be a huge problem that both parties might regret in the future. You will never know if that friend of yours will be helpful or will ruin your life but regardless of that, a friend is a friend and if you value them and you've got a better understanding. You're the one to make things better and you won't let them ruin it just for the sake of having fun and money. If there's an option to just decline any of them trying to poke you into gambling against their money, you better just do the right thing of saying no.

what do you mean "sentiments" -- These was an agreement, and in all, it's supposed to be fun and not some disagreement.. do you think the other guy doesn't know the rules in gambling? Would you safely assume that he'd agree to share back the winnings if he was the winner? If not, why should anything change? That has nothing to do with anyone's trustworthiness.
Are you serious right now?  ::)

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First of all, the gambler in loss shouldn't have listened to the mockery of his "friend". People don't have to accept challenges imposed by others, because they don't have to prove anything to people around. That was the first big mistake of him, and I hope he learns a lesson with this story in order to not act impulsively provoked by others in the future never again. The second mistake was to demand the money lost back. It was a bet, and he decided to risk his money. As consequence he lost it and should have gone away with empty pockets, but with his dignity intact.

Was the 10$ cashback another mockery of him towards his friend? Because that is how it sounds like...

If you spot a friend of yours isn't prepared to deal with losses as consequences of bets, then don't gamble against him. Choose carefully who are the friends you can gamble P2P. There must be one person or another to play P2P who will accept the defeat without further arguing and contentions.

It's about recognizing the inherent risks and making informed choices.  Both casinos and other businesses cater to different markets, but the potential for financial loss in gambling is undeniable.

The distinction you draw between casino gambling and a job is insightful.  Jobs offer a predictable income, while gambling involves significant risk.  Imagine working hard for a guaranteed paycheck versus relying on luck for potentially life-changing wins.

The security of a regular paycheck versus the volatility of gambling is a crucial point.  Casinos thrive on the possibility of players making mistakes, while an employee's income isn't contingent on perfect performance.  There's room for improvement and learning in a job, but a mistake in a casino can be financially catastrophic.

This is why it is bad to gamble against people you know or people you're friends with because it might grow grudges and problems between them, taking this situation as a vivid example.
As for the person who lost, I think he just should've taken his loss and accepted it because he should've been aware of what he put himself into and should've known that losing is always an option while gambling. Some people would accept a bet then come whining about it later when they lose. This friend didn't accept his loss and put a bet he can't afford losing then was acting mad that his friend didn't want to give him back some of the money.
I hope that the person who lost would take this as a lesson for him to take wiser decisions next time and be aware of his gambling habits and especially bet with money he can afford losing.

If my friend suggest and insisted we bet on p2p together i won't deny him. I will only tell him that if he loses no going back from the bet. Also, i would want a third party to be there to be a witness before we start the bet so that he would hold whatever we used in placing the bet in escrow. This is because i have seen a situation were two persons gambled without a third party and at the end of the day the one who lost refused to give the winner the money that was staked. This led to serious fight at the end.

Now back to the topic, I won't want to gamble p2p with my friend when the suggestion is coming from me, I can't bring up such a suggestion. Meanwhile if the suggestion is coming from my friend i would participate.

It's not as funny as we might think it is. One thing about gambling is that the way we react to it is based on individual control. There are people who lack that control, and they always end up losing it.
 
When they lose all they have to gamble with, that's when they will come to their senses. That's when they will realise what they could have used that money for. That's when they will now realise who they place bet with is their friend, and as such, he could have been considerate and be a little lenient by giving him back some of the money. 
 
So to me, it's not funny, as I have experienced a lot of such gambling behaviour among immature gamblers. I call them that because they are not ready for what comes after they lose.

Well, that’s your take considering the situation at hand and with the fact that, these are supposedly friends.

Like the winner rightly said, refunds of any amount should be based on freewill and I expect the other party to the stakes to have an option on either to accept or not because, it doesn’t make much difference to have lost a whole lot and be tipped so little. Suck it up, go home and cry your eyes out on your pillow then, be at peace with what has happened.

So long as the game was played squarely and wins were realized without any form of cheating, you’re under no obligation for refunds. That’s gambling. Should the supposed loser had turned out ti be the winner, you never can tell what he would have done. Perhaps decided to enjoy the most of his winnings as a compensation for the mocking he has received.

Gamblers need to maintain personal integrity and resist external pressures in the face of gambling losses. Gamblers should just take those mockeries as part of their days of gambling, shouldnt be a big deal. Succumbing to the mockery or challenges posed by others can often lead to impulsive and regrettable decisions. They just need to know their own boundaries and not feel compelled to prove themselves to others. Refusing to engage in reckless behavior driven by peer pressure is a sign of strength and self-awareness.

Gamblers must be prepared to accept the outcomes, whether positive or negative. Demanding the return of lost funds after a bet shows an inability to accept responsibility for one's actions. Embracing the consequences of decisions, even when they result in losses, is a must for personal growth and maturity. Each experience, even those marked by failure or loss, presents an opportunity for learning and growth. gamblers have just to reflect on their actions, identify areas for improvement, and strive to make better choices in the future.

You are right. I also think the guy got a generous friend in that of his friend who returned $10 out of $190 lost on the stake because it was strickly a gambling supposing to be that looser looses it all and the winner wins it all and just so, everyone would still stay unpanick and friendship continues.

If he was in the position to win, I doubt if he would have had that empathy to have to return up to the requested percentage to that his friend and with all to my observation, that was a payback day to him because that his friend told him that his own time would not be different.
Meaning to say when this winner formally lost on the stake with his friend, he only returned him with the same percentage that is to say the $10 returned was equal to the same percentage instead of this guy here requesting for a 30%.

Just as you sighted, if he had found the 30% more valuable than the rest of his lost, then he should not had afforded to have it stake on the game.

Returning only $10 out of a $190 loss doesn't seem fair or considerate especially between friends. While there's no strict rule on returning winnings in informal gambling, it's about basic decency and empathy. The friend who won could have shown more kindness by returning a more substantial portion of the money, considering the impact on their friend. It's a tough lesson about the risks of mixing friendship and gambling as it can easily lead to hurt feelings and resentment. In the end, it's important to prioritize the relationship over money and avoid situations that could strain friendships

There is this online game that we have been playing for a decade now and we sometimes gamble with each other for fun.

Most of the time, we just goof around and just test each other's skills. We never argued on who's the best or who's the worst. We bet to make things spicier and for us to have fun. If your friends hold grudges against you for winning against them, then perhaps they're not your friends and they're adding more emphasis to the money they may gain for you and not the camaraderie you've built over time.

If these are the type of people I will be hanging with, I'd rather be alone and gamble against randoms online. At least, they can hold their end of the stick.

Right, it's better to never play games involving risk of losing money with your friends. I'd say, it's better to never play such games with anyone you know personally. And why should we do that when we have online gambling sites were we can have fun with gambling and never hurt anybody we know when we win big?

If we look at the way gambling is, we will understand that it easily erupts in for quarrels and arguments among gamblers, especially when it comes to discussions about the particular sport kinds or games among gamblers, some people can argue their way out of any discussion regarding gambling and they also don't mind if such further leads to something else, but some have the understanding that such should be what their discussions about gambling resulted to.