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The 2024 Copa CONMEBOL Libertadores is the 65th edition of the CONMEBOL Libertadores (also referred to as the Copa Libertadores), South America's premier club football tournament organized by CONMEBOL. The competition began on 6 February and the final is scheduled to be played on 30 November 2024 in Buenos Aires, Argentina.[1][2]

The winners of the 2024 Copa Libertadores will earn the right to play against the winners of the 2024 Copa Sudamericana in the 2025 Recopa Sudamericana. They will also automatically qualify for the 2024 FIFA Intercontinental Cup, the 2025 FIFA Club World Cup and the 2025 Copa Libertadores group stage.

Fluminense are the defending champions.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2024_Copa_Libertadores


GROUP A

* Alianza Lima
* Cerro Porteño
* Colo-Colo
* Fluminense

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GROUP B
   
* Barcelona de Guayaquil
* Cobresal
* São Paulo
* Talleres

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GROUP C

*Estudiantes
*Grêmio
*Huachipato
*The Strongest

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GROUP D

*Botafogo
*Junior Barranquilla
*LDU
*Universitario

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GROUP E

*Flamengo
*Millonarios
*Bolívar
*Palestino

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GROUP F
   
*Independiente del Valle
*Liverpool-URU
*Palmeiras
*San Lorenzo

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GROUP G

*Atlético-MG
*Caracas
*Peñarol
*Rosario Central

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GROUP H
   
*Deportivo Táchira
*Libertad
*Nacional-URU
*River Plate

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The first games of Libertadores 2024 begin today (april 02), the biggest tournament in South America, guarantees a place in the FIFA Club World Cup!

Generally, the tournament is very competitive and brings out the best in South American football.

I created this topic so we can discuss this incredible championship... So, who's your favorite team?

The tournament is very competitive? for real? if it was very competitive we should see champions from different leagues almost every year. Just FYI, Brazil has dominated this championship for the past 5 years, and the last team other than Brazilian teams to win was River Plate from Argentina.


I go to Fluminense & Palmeiras ;D.

Yes, it is very competitive, despite Brazilian teams winning in recent years, the vast majority of games are very competitive and exciting, it is very difficult, for example, to play at the altitude of Bolivia (4000m), or to play in la bombonera.
 
The rivalry is very strong in In South America, this championship is the one that has the greatest weight for a fan of these teams, it is worth more than the national title.



I'm following Flamengo, who yesterday in their debut, even with one more player, conceded the draw to Millonarios in Bogotá-COL, the teams feel the effects of altitude very much. Bogotá is 2,625 m above sea level.... imagine playing sports at such an altitude

I was always a fan of Junior team from Columbia and I think this year they do have a great chance to reach semi-finals but that also depends if Bacca will be able to score a lot not just in Primera Columbia but also in Libertadores.

Last night was full of surprises right ? with late goals in both Cobresal and Flamengo games + Gremio who wasn't able to score even if they played decent.

Yes, several surprises, I didn't bet on these matches, but if I had, I would certainly have lost money...

I think that when teams debut they are not yet adapted to playing against other teams from different countries, despite being in the same region, it completely changes the way they play... Libertadores matches are much more tense than in local championships.

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Be surprised to see Paraguayan striker Roque Santa Cruz still active, he is at Libertad in this Libertadores... he is currently 42 years old. He is a legend in Paraguay and the Paraguayan national team's top scorer

he gave a recent interview to a Brazilian website

https://ge.globo.com/sp/futebol/libertadores/noticia/2024/04/03/vovo-libertadores-aos-42-anos-artilheiro-paraguaio-nao-pensa-em-adeus-e-diz-que-hoje-se-diverte.ghtml (in portuguese)

You were quicker than me to create the Libertadores thread hahaha
People outside South America have no idea what the Libertadores feels like, and they don't pay much attention, they only look at the European leagues

Only the Libertadores provides memorable matches between Argentinians and Brazilians, or Brazilians and Uruguayans
Games at altitude in Bolivia, difficult games for any Brazilian at La Bombonera packed with Boca Juniors fans, the terror it was for the Brazilians to play against Riquelme etc
Not to mention the matches with countless fouls, expulsions hahaha

This year I'm still studying the favorites, does anyone here already have an opinion on the bets?

It seems that the Brazilian teams were unlucky in this round, Flamengo drew in the game against Millionaires, in a game in which the Millionaires player received a red card in the 61st minute and thanks to that, Flamengo benefited from a penalty and scored a goal. , but even though Flamengo was playing with 11 players while their opponent was playing with only 10 players, Flamengo still couldn't win that game, they conceded 1 goal and the game ended in a draw, Flamengo played very badly, There's no quality, the way they played was horrible, when I see this kind of thing:

https://www.talkimg.com/images/2024/04/04/VL11T.png

the Flamengo player simply wasted a clear opportunity to score a goal because he is not a player with good foot technique, that is the problem currently in America, in the past we saw many good players leaving America for Europe, today we are seeing a great reduction in the quality of players from America, it can be seen that in many leagues there are few Brazilian players when compared to the past where Brazilian players were always highlighted.  I wonder how far Flamengo will go with this low level? One thing I'm convinced is that Flamengo won't get far in this competition and when I say far I mean reaching the semi-finals and finals

fluminense draw
Palmeiras draw
Flamengo draw

We will see in the next rounds if these Brazilian teams will have better results, but it seems to me that this competition needs to improve a lot in the quality of the players, from what I could see of these games, they looked like games involving teams from Africa. they are competing with the level of teams from the 2nd division of England, perhaps even the level of teams or league from the second division of England is better. I could see situations in which the referee ignored, the games themselves were slow, they didn't have that level of intensity that you see in European football

Awesome result for Junior yesterday and well debut with 3 points in a group that is very balanced.

Right now , I'm watching Rosario - Penarol and even if Rosario had a great first half and played great football , Penarol is having a great run lately and I would be surprised if they won't score and then maybe play for a draw.

To be honest, I just want to see my country (Venezuela) to shine a bit in this incoming Copa Libertadores. Historically, we have never performed well in football, but lately our team has managed to score some good points, special in the the end of the 2023. (Mano, tengo fe).
If my country managed to win the cup, together with the right to participate in the next football world cup, it would be beyond amazing. All this country would be full of marketing looking forward to it.

However, I would not be surprised Argentina managed to over perform again as the champions of the world they are, and managed to secure this cup as well. Time will tell. The only sure thing is I am planning to bet some bucks on this edition.  :P

That shot on goal was horrible, really bad...

I find it impressive that a professional player makes this mistake, after all he trains every day, he is accompanied by professionals from the most diverse areas of the sport, this player's only concern is playing ball, everything else has someone doing for him. .. and the individual misses the shot, any small child playing football in the street would score that goal... Very bizarre.

I hope that in the next rounds the level of football improves, because as you said, it was very bad. But the intensity of Europe is something that won't happen in the Libertadores, the style is very different, South American teams don't have the tactical quality of European teams.


I don't follow football in Venezuela much, do the teams from your country that are in this Libertadores have a chance of standing out in the championship?

It's nice, you're Venezuelan
The national team has a good chance of qualifying for the 2026 World Cup, you must be excited...
...and that could reflect on the Libertadores campaign too

The big problem here is that both Deportivo Táchira and Caracas are in very difficult groups with very traditional Libertadores opponents, such as River Plate, Nacional, Peñarol and Atlético MG, but both teams have chances

Of the Brazilian teams, only Atlético MG managed a good result in the first round.
Is it just the first round, due to nerves, or could Brazil's dominance come to an end this year? hehehe

Yes I am from Venezuela, however I do not follow regional matches as much as I do with international ones or those which are supposed to face national selections against each other.
I am trying to keep my expectations low, our country does not have an history of being able to qualify to World Cups. It is a very different situation from what we see from countries like Brazil or Argentina, whose qualifications are almost taken from granted.

I believe we are reached a point were, even though we would like to qualify to the world cup, it has been literal decades we have had underperforming when compared to other football clubs in Latin America.
Whatever happens, it does not mean one cannot take these occasions to try to pocket some money thanks to sport betting and the liquidity offered by latin American markets on Football. This market may be one of the biggest ones in that regard.

Sometimes I confess that I am impressed by Sao Paulo's performance.
I had expectations that he could beat Telleres in this last Libertadores game, but that didn't happen. After the game, I carried out a "quick search" and saw that Telleres is performing well in the Argentine championship so far. I believe this is enough to show the quality and good performance that Telleres had playing against Sao Paulo.
Let's see how these teams will perform in the next games.

By the way, congratulations and thanks for creating this topic @criptoevangelista
I have no doubt that the Copa Libertadores is a very well-known and competitive championship. I hope this all generates a lot of discussion on the Gambling Discussion board :)

I also thought that São Paulo would beat this team, I still think that Brazilian teams don't know very well how their South American opponents play, so they have a lot of difficulty, even against a team that isn't doing very well (which isn't the Telleres case).

What will be missing? because as @rdluffy said, only Atlético MG had a good result... is there a lack of study of opponents? perhaps some deficiency in the scouting teams of the Brazilian teams, identifying the possible weaknesses of the opponents and training this before the matches.

Hmm...that's an interesting question.
I believe there are some variables that may have affected the performance of some teams, for example the start of the championship.
As there are teams from different countries in South America, each one has a "different playing style", different stadiums and sometimes the altitude can be a problem for some teams that are not used to playing at high altitudes.

I imagine that during the championship the teams may get used to it and their performance may improve, especially the Brazilian teams.

There is also the season for the South American teams that starts well before the Brazilian championship, so while the Brazilian teams are playing pre-season and state championships, the other teams have already been playing in the main league for at least 2 months... for the pace of the game this makes all the difference

The second round of the Libertadores group stage has already started.

Fluminense had a great victory against Colo-Colo and took first place in Group A of the Libertadores.

Later we will have Flamengo x Palestino game and also Sao Paulo x Cobresal.
And tomorrow we will have some interesting games, such as Palmeiras x Liverpool and River Plate x Nacional.

Is anyone else watching some games!?

Fluminense had a very difficult game against Colo-Colo, as current champions, they will be the team to beat, everyone will want to know exactly how Fluminense behaves on the field.

And what a beautiful goal Fluminense's first was, it even reminded me of my goals playing FIFA 22 lol

I'm going to take advantage of the fact that I'm a little sick and I'm not going to the gym and try to watch tomorrow's games, Flamengo will be broadcast on TV Globo

what is even stranger is that these same players from South America who have been playing in the South American leagues and play in a strangely elegant way in the leagues of their countries and go to Europe, they start to play very well in Europe and even run very. This is something I always ask myself because they don't try very hard in the South American leagues and when they are playing for European teams they play very well. Maybe because in Europe they realize that there are many other good players and if they try hard they can have a lot of fame and money so they try hard to play well. I could be wrong in my way of thinking

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Atlético - Rosario

This is a game in which Atletico will play at home and they need to take advantage of this advantage. In the last 10 games Atletico lost in just 1 game. I don't know how difficult the games were or not, but it's a fact that they only had 1 defeat in the last 10 games. while their opponent in the last 10 games they lost in 5 games. and comes into this game with a defeat. I think that in this game Atletico will win, the odds for Atletico to win are 1.45, I still see it as a low odds. but if it was above 1.70 I would probably bet on Atletico.

Cerro Porteño - Alianza Lima

This is a very complicated game to predict the result, both teams are coming off a defeat in that competition. Cerro Porteño are doing well in the Paraguayan league, in the last 5 games they have only had 1 defeat and are in second place in the table, they are a candidate for the Paraguayan league title at the moment, maybe later things will change and they will not be candidates to the title. while in the case of Alianza Lima, in the last 5 games they only had 2 victories, they have already gone through bad times when they had a sequence of 3 defeats, but from what I see they managed to recover and have two consecutive victories and in the league Peru, they still have a chance to fight for the title. In my opinion, Cerro Porteño will win this game

wow, good thinking!
I didn't remember that Flamengo's game was broadcast on TV Globo.
But anyway, it was an excellent game for Flamengo who had an easy victory against Palestino. Sao Paulo also stood out and beat Cobresal.

I'm looking forward to watch the Palmeiras game tomorrow, I have no doubt it will be an exciting game to watch.

I think your way of thinking makes sense, when they reach a European team they are just “one more”, so they have to work hard to have “their place in the sun”, unlike what happens when they are in leagues in their countries of origin, countries where they are already considered stars and most of the time they have no competition... In Europe they have to show their service, otherwise they are left out, unlike what happens in other leagues.

You got both your predictions right, Atlético and Cerro Porteno won  :o


In today's matches we have Botafogo vs LDU at altitude, I think LDU wins... and also Palmeiras vs Liverpool in São Paulo, I believe Palmeiras will win without any major difficulties....

Any guesses for the other games?

It's been a long time since I watched a Libertadores game, yesterday I watched Estudiantes x Gremio in Group C and what a game it was. It wasn't easy at all, but Gremio won 1-0 away from home and with one player less from the start of the second half and thus remained in contention within the group. Today I intend to watch the Flamengo game.

The Libertadores games are very difficult, the teams give their all, especially because a player doing well in this championship can get good contracts, salary increases, everything is possible financially, money moves the world, right? lol

Yesterday Flamengo lost playing in Bolivia... and as always the players complaining about playing at altitude (3600m above sea level), if they had won, would they complain that much?

There are 4 Libertadores matches today, take a look at the odds

If you believe in the Brazilian teams, you have a good chance of making some money
I'm thinking of betting on São Paulo and Fluminense to win, but I'm betting low since the Brazilian teams have started very badly in the Libertadores.


https://i.ibb.co/F8BP8xM/liberta.png (https://ibb.co/zPSkPnY)
Source (https://duelbits.com/sportsbook/soccer)


Will anyone be placing any bets today?

If they had won I am sure no one would say a thing about such altitude as what is important in the end of the day are the three points.I think Flamengo needs to do better as in the new Serie A in Brazil are looking relatively in good performance and for sure the Brazilian league is of better quality than the Bolivian league.I think it was a surprise result that Flamengo lost and complaining about high altitude is just a justification to them not being able to win the game.

It's funny because every year we have the same problems hahaha
Look at my thread of Libertadores 2023: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5447531.80

The altitude, especially in games in Bolivia, becomes a frequent discussion, and especially for Brazilian teams, since we don't have that kind of terrain here
The Libertadores is very special because of this kind of rivalry, the altitude, the famous Argentinian and Uruguayan "catimba", the crowded La Bombonera (of Boca Juniors), etc.

I think it's very hard to predict this games while they are in group stages but yesterday Bolivar were favorites against Flamengo and they won. I agree with altitude when you play football as it's not great at all to to have fresh air , especially when you're not used to it. However ,I do enjoy watching this games with native commentary as that is the way you can feel the true South American football passion and I love when they scream "goal" for more than 40 seconds  ;D

Today I was thinking about watching the international game for the CONMEBOL Sudamericana cup, but I looked at the time the game was going to take place and I almost couldn't believe it... It will start at 11pm. There will be time to watch the Libertadores games.

Does anyone know if there is a topic about the CONMEBOL Sudamericana cup, I'm thinking about creating one.

I'm very late here, I only just saw this thread.

The reason for this is because I'm not really following this championship even though I really like football.... last year Internacional invested a lot of money in trying to be champions, they defeated important opponents but ended up losing to a Brazilian team in an incomprehensible way.
This year, he didn't even qualify for the Libertadores :P


Exactly!!!!
I'm following this championship and I believe we will have another victory here. But, that's a topic for another topic (is there a topic about Sul-Amerciana here?).

Ah... I've been reading that this year Conmebol will pay the biggest prize in the world for a competitive tournament... no less than US$ 23,000,000 :o

Good luck to everyone!

If you create the thread, I'll participate
It's the only international competition Corinthians will participate in (and lose a lot of games) this year, so I'll bet against my own team and win some money hehehehe

Don't forget to let us know here if you create the thread

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Yesterday I bet on São Paulo and Fluminense
I lost the Fluminense bet, but won the São Paulo one. I ended up with practically the same amount of money, at least I didn't lose  :P

BOLÍVAR 2 - 1 FLAMENGO

As expected from Flamengo, they lost and they always use something to justify the defeat, and this time they blamed the altitude. as if that would be a convincing justification. It is an undeniable fact that Flamengo is not performing well in this competition, in 3 games they only had 1 win, 1 draw and 1 defeat. I don't know what Flamengo's coach is thinking. In Brazil they played 3 games in which they won 2 games and drew 1 game and are currently in second place. but in 3 games they only managed to score 4 goals in the Brazilian league and conceded 2 goals. It's not a good performance for a team that wants to become champions.

In Brasileirao's last game they managed to draw with Palmeiras, but a victory would have been the best thing, because Palmeiras is a team that can start badly in the league, they can even perform poorly in many of the first games, but after the middle During the season they start to play well and become champions, which is why the sooner Flamengo distances itself from Palmeiras, beats Palmeiras, the better for Flamengo. Something funny I saw in this game between Flamengo and Bolivar was this:

https://www.talkimg.com/images/2024/04/26/rwhgT.png

If Flamengo's goalkeeper hadn't fallen early, then he would have had a better chance of saving that ball. but unfortunately he couldn't save that ball. Will Flamengo really be able to get far in this competition?

It's true, Flamengo isn't playing like a team that wants to be champions plays.

The complaint about altitude is a lame excuse. If the team had won, would they talk about altitude? I don't think so, it's another justification without credibility.

Did this Flamengo goalkeeper try to guess the move? weird, right? he fell too early instead of advancing a little to close the attacker's angle... Simply horrible, I think if I had been there I would have been able to save that shot.

It is very strange what the goalkeeper did, it could also be that the goalkeeper was filled with a lot of nerves and fell, it is something that can happen, but at the level of a Copa Libertadores de América, type of nerves, because it was not seen that It may have been a slip, sometimes goalkeepers can suffer from things like this, maybe things can be very different in a game like this, Flamenco is a team that is one of the best clubs in Brazil, they should not fail, But considering that we are human, nervousness, all this influences, but the shot that the goalkeeper actually gave looked very bad.

If it were a team of young people, full of unknown players at the beginning of their careers, we could even consider it nervous, but this Flamengo team is mostly made up of very experienced players, including their coach is very experienced, he was the coach of the Brazilian team during the last world cup. What's missing there is tactical adjustment, Flamengo has been playing very inconsistently.

I have always thought that in Flamengo things are getting into crisis like this because it is normal sometimes for teams to have that happen , because lately what they Showed in the Copa Libertadores was very good, in fact this team has given a lot of fight to a Santos, a Palmeiras that wow is on another level.

Personally, I like these teams because they Show happy football, the truth is that the Brazilian technique is very good, I have always said one thing, when we look for strong and beautiful emotions we should not hesitate, we have to look at how these teams play, Brazilian teams, I don't know if you remember when Neymar played for Santos, it was another level, when they had to play against Barcelona in the Intercontinental they lost, but that was when Ney pushed himself towards European Football ,  but in reality Brazil is the school.

I don't know if the future holds anything good for Brazil regarding football... in the past, 10, 15 years ago it was common to see children on the streets playing football, various talents were born there, skills were trained from a very young age during these matches on the street... nowadays with the advancement of the internet, most children and young people just want to be on the internet... leaving aside typical games, like playing ball and playing in the street... It will become increasingly rare to appear outstanding players in Brazil.

I don't know if I'm too pessimistic... but that's the only thing I can see about it

When it comes to club , I don't see Brazil having a another crazy run to win Liberdatores cup year after year and that is because more and more players are leaving for Europe club at a very early age and that will automatically affect their clubs performance. However , when it comes to international football , Brazill will always be top3 and always one of the favorites to win World Cup but also Copa America and personally , I'm a huge Brazilian fan when they play at world cup and maybe with a bit of luck we can win at USA 2026  8)

Well, about the replacement generation of Brazil, well, if they are in that line, they should do something to motivate the children, well, in fact, Antony who plays for Man United is one of them who came out of the favelas and is a great example For many then in this order of ideas things should be like this, if Brazil starts looking for children they should encourage them, the thing about social networks, telephones is not only in Brazil, I think that happens in all countries in the world . , but Brazil, due to pure genetics, its players are very good, so with the passage of time I believe that apart from the protection that recruitment campaigns must carry out for them, Brazil will surely recover from the time it spent in the first phase of the USA 2026 qualifiers, It is a team that will always give its best and give its best, tremendous players who have wow, there is no doubt about that.

What has happened to encourage this is the opening of football schools linked to clubs, but I don't know if the children's interest is still the same as it used to be.

Perhaps from childhood, sports could be encouraged more because what currently happens in schools are simple weekly physical education classes, but it is still not enough...

But perhaps there is still hope, in the Copa São Paulo de Juniores, the annual youth tournament, there are always some players with a lot of potential.

Another shame for Flamengo, this time losing to Palestino. Flamengo is at risk of being eliminated in the next round...

What catches my attention is this goalkeeper, who once again fails in a move, he didn't even jump to try to save the shot that resulted in the goal, he tried to do the famous "defend with his eyes"... a total shame. As a Flamengo fan, I have already lost hope in this team in the Copa Libertadores.

Here's a video with the best moments:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hp_4Egqy7OE

I feel like is impossible to actually catch a bet on Libertadores this week right ? I mean Junion won with 7 odds a game where they had no real intention to win and yet they scored 1-0 in early game and then game stayed that way for more than 70 minutes  :o.

Today I won't be shocked if Liverpool will win the game in the same manner against San Lorenzo because both teams are having 4 points and a draw won't really help either of them to actually qualify further.  ;D

It ended up that San Lorenzo won 3-2.... these last rounds of the group stage are very unpredictable, it's very challenging to place bets at this point in the championship... And I don't know what happens, the teams that do badly suddenly start giving their blood on the field and trying harder.... The question remains: why didn't they do this before? lol  ???