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GREETINGS XENOPHOBES!

You -- YES YOU!

You are the reason BTC has NOT taken the world by storm.

You heard about bitcoin 1,2 maybe 3 years ago. You spent 180 hours STRAIGHT with no sleep drinking mountain dew so you could understand every possible intricacy of all that is Bitcoin!

You have kept up to date, you PREDICTED the fall of MT GOX, YOU FIGURED OUT WHO SATOSHI was before anyone else, you get a google alert for Bitcoin BTC and even the letter B!

You own a Bitcasino or BitFaucet (and make sure you post often so that your signature advertises it!)

Kudos to you, as you were...well to use internet forum jargon "FIRST!"

Good for you...you knew before anyone, you still know.  You are current on hashrates, conversion rates, highs/lows, ASICS, S1/S2, satoshi, cross currency transactions, up and comers like 42, has beens, wanna bees...i mean you "get it"


Too bad for the rest of the world.  When they come around, they have a lot of catching up to do.  But we can count on you.  We can count on you to try to give yourself some self worth by attempting to lower the worth of others.  You will resort to name calling and picture posting.  Ask them if they "are mad, bro".  Call them "noob". Even really show how unintelligent you are by calling them "autistic" or "retarded" and using it as an epitaph (how asinine and insensitive is that?). If all else fails, call them a girl or child...and finally, use lots of profanity!

You see, when people come to "check" out bitcoin on forums like this, you will be quick to tell them how anything they say is unoriginal as you have been there and done that and already discussed it a year ago already *yawn* how boring for you, right?   You will let them know that they should use the search feature of the forum and spend hours searching years of posts to try to find one that manages to address their unique CURRENT question or comment.  You will be sure to tell them to use google, and search through the 10s of 1000s of web pages created by bitcasino and bitfaucet sites to try to find a legit answer that is actually up-to-date.

no the government, IRS, CHINA, Market fluctuation etc


None of those things stop bitcoin from being readily accepted and used...

it is those who have self appointed themselves as all-knowing gatekeepers.  Those who ruin it for the sincere humans who participate in BTC.  Those who are lonely little angry trolls with way too much time on their hands and way too little sense to use it productively.

In the real world - for the average person BTC is not EVERYTHING, and people have lives, family, friends, businesses...and not enough time or interest to find out who Satoshi is and what the Master Plan for BTC iss.  They just want practical application. 

Trolls attack enmasse all those who are "new" and drive away many big players who could make a big difference in adoption.

Xenophobia - thats the problem...and each person is either a part of the problem or part of the solution.

I can only imagine the nonsense that will be posted in defense of the "clique"....so i better unwatch it now.

Another noob, another dumb post.

OP, going from $0 to $450 in 5 years isn't a slow rate.

slow adoption rate.   The amount of press, publicity and exposure BTC has....it COULD be integrated into society a lot more than it currently is.

But see how you started your response...you embodied the spirit of the post and only show that I am correct.

;D

Seems like he's going for a new dumb post record.

and so the marching procession begins...

soon you all will be coming out of the woodwork

i want as many of you on one thread as possible!

So if someone just joined the forum and this was the first post they read, they'd feel better?

LOL

I am new around here and could not agree with the OP more.

I also don't think the value of a BTC has anything to do with the adoptive rate in the OP subject.

You were so quick to jump on him I'll bet you didn't even realize how silly your point was.

Remember, when you point your finger at someone, three fingers are pointing back at you.

no but hopefully they will be prepared for what is coming next!

Why don't you break it down for us noobs, 3 post BillyBobJoe?

Explain your position coherently so us dullards can understand.

unfortunately this is common in many forums and new type trends...sadly, there are rarely those who recognize and learn from this fact.

If people were more welcoming, open and helpful, bitcoin would take over virally simply by virtue of HOSPITALITY and CUSTOMER SERVICE...ijs

thats simply not true what you are saying, im not responsible, everything takes time

I agree with OP to some extent!

Although new to this forum, OP appears to know a lot about the Bitcoin.

This isn't a noob writing. Just a new account. Judging from that he says, it must be one of the guys with hundreds of posts the Gambling section.

OP has a point. People should learn to think twice before they post. 99% of the time, the guy/girl on the other end is nothing like what you have imagined

This, this thread is nonsense. Bitcoin went from .001 to over $1200, from 2009 to 2012..a million percent increase in 3 years.

there is an old saying

"The thief has the most locks"

This is indeed a new account.  I am a real person, look me up, this is my actual Company Name...been on the internet since it started. So while "I" am not new, I AM new to bitcoin (but not alternative currencies).  I know a lot because I did in fact take the time to study up on BTC before coming here and posting...however, that doesn't matter to the know-it-alls who feel everyone else is beneath them.

I agree with OP about the way that people in here seem to be so rude.  I saw how you guys jumped all over his ass in another thread where he posed a valid question (about the 51% attack).

I am very interested in Bitcoin.  I have been reading up on it for the past 2 months and have questions that I would like to have answered before I jump in to help get Bitcoin widely adopted.  I run several popular websites and have been considering adding a Bitcoin payment option.

However, if "noobs" like us can't ask legitimate questions without getting slammed by the assholes in these threads, then I'm afraid it's just going to have a chilling effect on my decisions.

Keep it up, jerks.  If you wanna keep being mean to new adopters (which is where both BTC adoption *and* increased per-coin value will come from, btw), then you'll have your own selves partly to blame when you find yourselves playing in a tiny little playground that never got as big as it could have gotten.

You should have gone with iSHRINKmyBiz.

:D

The problem is, many new posters (on any internet forum) are just lazy and don't want to put forth any effort learning something and instead just have someone tell them what to do.  People who put forth effort learning don't feel like rewarding lazy people.  Your post is claiming the people who respond to the "noobs" are the problem.  Why are the lazy people trying to figure out how to get "free money" not a problem?

Ah that is why we had a newbie hell a while ago to force people to look things up but Theymos got rid of that so you could connect with the people, we all still run under the assumption that the newbies pick up the knowledge not have it handed to them on a silver spoon :).

Again,

Many people (the average person) has a real life, real family, real friends and a real job or business.

To expect a new person filter through more than just the basics (and to believe that person should learn simply by reading and NEVER asking questions or processing) shows the failure humanity is moving towards at breakneck speed.

Mining
Trading
Exchanges
Speculating
Pooling
Contracts
Etc, etc


Should a person be expertly versed IN EVERY aspect before asking a question?

Considering the average person on the internet does not know the difference between a Kb and Mb and Gb....do you REALLY think they should understand Mh/s vs Th/s and how that relates to the fluctuating market?

Seriously?

come on...

the arrogance of such thinking is beyond xenophobia...

And who IRL lives like this?

if you travel and go to a new town, do you NOT ask for directions because you are expected to read every book from the chamber of commerce, Google Maps, City, County and State laws, Restaurant reviews - etc

cmon

PEOPLE ASK QUESTIONS


be a helpful human being -- or go back to your troll cave

but don't attack people for not knowing...because there was a time when you didn't know either.

YES YOU are responsible for slow BTC growth...but you are too proud and ignorant to realize it

op has a point. all these self-proclaimed early adopters (aka bag holders who bought at $700) who think they are entitled to get the money of the stupid, uneducated masses are certainly not the best ambassadors for bitcoin. ladies, you want something from the average joe, he doesn't want anything from you. so telling him to fuck of whenever he shows the slightest interest in your funny online money is just wrong.

I think you have some sand in your vag.

Seriously thought. you may have just titled this post:

"Attention all trolls: I am a wildly erratic, self conscious person with low self esteem.  Why do you gotta call names?!?!"

Xenophobia?  Maybe by the general populace, not by the bitcoin community.

But mostly I think it just needs better security and more user-friendliness
to see faster and wider adoption.

I agree with OP, and he continues to be proven right by some of the replies in this thread.

I don't agree with OP, and Noobs continue to not do their due diligence, use the search function, and post quality non flaming threads.

well, i thought about whether or not to roll in the mud and decided 'fuck it'

I agree and disagree.

i'll agree that on a lot, if not all, of the forums I've been on there are some 'established' members that get a bang out of telling the new kids to STFU.  I think that's bullshit, but it's meaningless, par for the course, bullshit that dissipates over time.  On a forum like this, populated by techno-types that often think they're the smartest kid on the block already, maybe/probably that's a bit magnified.

i'll not necessarily agree with the approach of someone poking them in the eye intentionally and then waving one's hands in the air in surprise when the response is what it predictably is.

Don't get me wrong, if people want to fight, i don't care.  If people want to troll, I don't care.  If someone is all pissed off and wants to start a thread bitching about it I still don't care.  

I'm all about people just letting fly, although if the intent is to promote goodwill, stabbing people in the eye with a fork ain't gonna get it done.  Making sensible posts over the course of a month or more will further that cause much more effectively, IMO.

With that said, y'all rock on.....

 

I should clarify. I agree with him in most, but not all cases.

OP needs to change his tone.  He has some points, but chooses to attack and gain attention with barbs, generalizations, and name calling rather than civilized intelligent discussion.

yes because that is the type of discussion that goes on in this forum, right?

RTFM before you cry a river of ignorant tears.

If you look hard enough, there's plenty of intelligent topics discussed without mud slinging involved.

Usually if you start out civilized, it's reciprocated.

sounds good in theory

however, my experience (and others) has been the exact opposite

Maybe it has nothing to do with your approach, but rather your message.

Sorry to hear yours and others experience in BCT hasn't been the most welcoming.

Just like in life and in general, there's a learning curve.  Not saying you have to read the whole forum line by line, but the longer you're here the more you "ingest".

Everyone here has been a Newbie at some point and probably got told to use "the search feature" or LMGTFY.

I think a big part of that is there used to be a "Newbie hell", where you couldn't post as much, so you'd just have to stick to the Beginners and Newbie section for quite a while until you graduated to Jr. Member.  In a way, I thought Newbie Hell made me read more content and see how Sr. and Hero members conducted and answered questions since they've most likely been there from the beginning.

Hang in there, lighten your tone a little, and keep your posts a little shorter.

Is it just me or the search function is absolutely useless?

You may break the world record of the fastest newb being added on my ignore list...

 ;D ;D

basing investments purely on emotion and personality of people you talk to are not good traits to being a good investor. you should base your investments on the qualities of the 'product' not the people.

the gold market is just as full of ego-maniacs, greedy hoarders, and people that will tell you to buy when they, themselves are ready to sell. so don't base your investments on other people. as that is how 'panic due to fud' overrules your decisions instead of natural value growth.

also searching for the answers first shows you to be a wiser person then just asking the same question that has been asked many times. it is a known fact that it really does irritate people to be asked the same question many times, where the answer can be answered by simply looking. EG car journeys "are we there yet" (if the car is still moving, its obvious they are not there yet)

there are genuine 'noobs' that do show that they are willing to learn and show some sort of coherent way of asking a question. but then there are others that seem to want to know the answers to everything in one go, without doing any research.

many of the 'experts' have spend months-years to learn everything there is to know about bitcoin and they can get irritated when 'noobs' think that it only takes 1 misunderstood question to gain equal amount of knowledge in a shorter time period.

i agree that 'experts' do need to sometimes keep there emotions in check (even i have failed this point at times) but i think noobs need to realise they wont get the answer to the meaning of life in just 10 posts of asking questions. and they should definitely not base their investment strategy on the personalities of people either.

Thanks for your concern. I appreciate that.

Learning curve? sure, I get that.

And newbie hell, just adds to xenophobia and prevents growth.   The average person has accomplished enough in their life, they do not need to be regulated to kindergarten simply because they are new.

Being here from the beginning does not necessarily make one wise, intelligent or correct (3 different things).  Observing early adopters, just shows you early adopter behavior (which again leads to xenophobia)

this is not high school, I don't have to "earn cool points" to be with the IN crowd.  

For a decentralized, non hierarchical economy - there still is the same ol BS politics going on.

I should not have to keep posts "short".  If people don't care to read, that is fine, but to then assault someone...that is just juvenile.

I shouldn't have to immediately change MY tone, after being pissed all over by multiple people either. Especially since the TONE is a result of the abuse.

Clearly, in this short amount of time, with the few people brave enough to agree with me here....this is not a spurious issue I am bringing up, I just happen to be bold enough to say STOP PISSING ON EVERYONE WALKING IN THE DOOR!

Again, i did happen to take the time to read up and understand BTC.  My questions were dialogue inducing, trying to see where I want to fit with the currency itself.

I am actually pretty advanced in math and programming...It took a bit for me to "get it" and there are still parts I am learning.   I can not imagine what someone who does not have the level of learning and experience I have would get.

you can read 10 million times the same thing over and over....doesn't mean you won't have a basic question about it.

Ironically a lot of the people trying to exercise influence are just net bullys.  All the bitcasinos (everyone knows the house always wins) - just scamming people for BTC and spamming the forum with signature lines.

For anyone to imply that a person should get a full understanding before entering dialogue is where the xenophobia comes in.  For anyone to imply they should get that understanding BEFORE ever asking a question is where pure ignorance comes in.

not everyone desires to be an expert in ALL dimensions of bitcoin...nor should they

if this was a car journeys site, and I asked what is the fuel efficiency on this journey - just because 900 people asked before I did...does not make my question irrelevant, nor does it make me "lazy"

It just makes the so called experts "lazy" and unable to comprehend the concept of a "DISCUSSION FORUM"...

Also, when one of the "selling points" of bitcoin is the "community"...when you experience that community acts more like a cult than a true helpful community, it makes people who have influence with hundreds of online and offline vendors payment processing choices...have little desire to help such a "community"

The real reason is because it's difficult to understand and use.

IMO, these threads contain very little quality information.
OP uses many words to convey negligible amount of info.
This should be moved under "speculation" or "baseless name calling"

 there is no shortage of high quality YouTube videos that teach Bitcoin. 
Easy to educate oneself.

calling a 'expert' lazy and and unable to comprehend (meaning stupid), yet wanting experts to help noobs skip doing the research, and also offer this advice freely... is that a good trait for noobs to have?? and maybe even slightly hypocritical?

not at all.  Because they are not true "experts", just been around longer. They may have a little more "information" also. 

And though they do not have to offer advice freely, condemning those asking for help- and in a public forum DESIGNED for people to discuss such things...well, it definitely is not a MODEL that a "noob" should aspire to grow to, that's for sure!

Asking stupid questions is one thing, but lately we've seen a lot of noobs coming onto the forum and asking the same questions that are asked and answered every 2 weeks. It gets really annoying when the question is asked with an attitude of superiority like it's such a brilliant question that nobody has ever asked before. Personally, I just ignore those threads but I can understand if some posters respond rudely.

and if Ebay takes bitcoins...and suddenly millions of people find out about bitcoin....what do you think is going to happen?


again - as a community -- customer service - friendliness to travelers and visitors is in the BTC communities best interest.


But hey, who cares about anyone but themselves, right?

Sure.  But the bitcoin forum is a microcosm of the bitcoin ecosystem.  I doubt our politeness (or lack of it lol) is going to make a huge difference to bitcoin adoption.  I could always be wrong.

You spelled en masse incorrectly, thus probably shied away some big players who could have made a big difference in adoption.

the summary of this thread is this

everyone has an ego

noobs have the ego that they have just found some secret and that they are kings because they think they have just discovered it.
experts have the ego that they know better and that their 4 years of research shouldnt be given away freely to disrespectful and lazy noobs that dont want to learn the normal way.

in the middle is lots of trolling between the 2 sides

even "iGROWyourBiz" just as recently as 20 minutes ago from this message thought that he had discovered some brand new information that would make him famous by posting it. without even checking if its known info. (charlie shrems january arrest in regards to laundering funds)

which just proves that both noobs and experts have one thing in common. we are all flawed human beings and that bitcointalk is not a customer services department of a business, requiring politeness... but instead is a discussion forum for open opinions to be discussed.

not everyone has big egos...but those with them think everyone else does...they are always wrong (result of the BIG EGO)

most new people are sincere, and though have "researched" still have questions (as all learning humans do) and look to those who have been around longer for help and assistance...especially on places like a "discussion forum"

real experts do not have egos - just the wannabes - who think they are special because they have tenure.  They assume anyone asking something they already know is "lazy" -- this is due to being blinded by narcissism.

A perfect example is Franky - -who thinks there is actually a "saying" about "being franked"...

Just 4 hours ago a news report came out. (about actual INDICTMENT of SHREMS - much different and much more serious than mere "arrest").  Franky assumed it was old news, mostly because he THINKS he is an expert and knows everything.  He saw some posts a few months ago about an arrest and thought that was the end of the story.  It was not.  And since it is an ongoing story - he did not realize that what was posted by iGROWyourBiz was actually an UPDATE....only a FEW HOURS OLD!

This just proves that the self-proclaimed experts do not understand some people already have enough "fame" and actually desire to contribute to the community, but trolls can't help but being trolls.

So while intelligent people discuss the ideas...the ignorant can not help themselves but discuss the people.

I think the young folk today have a saying about "haters gonna hate" or some such.  Franky I am sure there is a song about you.

meanwhile noobs make new threads instead of searching old topics and asking their question on those old threads or updating those old threads with more recent info, to make it easier for other noobs to find such info all in one place.

instead they make new posts to attempt to appear like they have discovered something to try not appearing noobish by trying to put their name against something in an attempt to show they knew something first, before anyone else.

this last 3 months there have been dozens of threads about china, dozens about gox, dozens about shrem and people still ask questions about all three topics. all because people would rather not search and update single threads. but try to put their name against a new thread, to appear masters of knowledge discovery

iGROWyourBiz has an ego trip. take for instance his message history. atleast 15 of his 70 messages are thread starters. where he is the OP.
thats a 25% rate. my rate of starting topics is 1.48%

also the topics iGROWyourBiz has written are in the majority, been talked about many times before. yet he has not taken the subtle advice to search before he speaks. instead he wants to pretend he knows more, has discovered things first. and not be treated like a noob.

and then also ignore the subtle hints that posting info on topics that already exists is not helpful for other noobs. which makes him a bad customer service rep for the company known as bitcoin which he is the director of (there, i gave him the title he so badly seems to need, may he now live in bliss as the new god of bitcoin)

i find it funny that noobs becomes insulting when information is not handed to them on a plate the instant they ask. oh and handed to them politely like a 5 star restaurant waiter would. hopefully all noobs would realize that they have not paid for any professional consultants services, and as such should not expect professional responses.. but to expect human responses.

wow -- i am not sure if I should be flattered or afraid of your interest in all things related to me....wow...bwahahahahahahahaha :o

I am willing to wager this phenom mimics both of us in real life also!

The difference in a leader and a follower - an originator and an instigator - a warrior and a troll!

yes ooh mighty lord, i shall stroke your ego, i shall follow you to the ends of the earth dear lord.
bless you for returning to earth after 2000 years.

... now STFU and crawl back under your bridge

Ahh don't worry about it....  :-). We are all bitcoiners, we should all be on the same side. 

agreed we are all human. but some people new to the economy want to instantly be proclaimed as gods. if only we had the noob section back so that they had time to learn a thing or two

Well... you 're right here. When I joined as newbie, I also went through a lot of frustration the same way. On the other hand, think of the people who have answered the same questions over and over, with utmost dedication and have spent hours (or even days) of time on forum answering such questions on forum and they still see the same question being posted all over the forum on daily basis from newbies who would not like to search or browse the forum. Surely they also have 'real life' outside the forum same as newbies who post the questions, right?

So what I'd like to propose for both kind of people to be happy is develop a 'Grand Bitcoin FAQ - The Newbie Version' and pin it. Compile the most frequent newbie questions that have already been answered on the forum and list them under one thread. And let every newbie on the forum go through it. Maybe we can also work out some notification which alerts a newly joined member to first go through the FAQ topic before they can post any new topic.

Sounds like a plan?

Completely agree with OP.
Even if I'm early adopter and own bitcasino I've seen the same attitude in this community. Quite unfriendly.
That's not the way! Take example from the shibes.

bitcoin wiki, and bitcoin.org already exist for this purpose

Yup, but there are lot of newbie questions they don't cover.

and after reading such FAQ they will never have another question related to the basics?

please tell me more of this FAQ that takes into account all levels of education and learning styles and provides them with complete comprehension upon reading...

you just can't stay away from me can you?  bwahahahahaha

you are on EVERY THREAD I have started....and can't shut up!

and yet i have yet to comment on any thread you started....

man, when I am the focus of someone life and they are not my wife...that is cause for that individual to seek counseling!

which is where the wiki and bitcoin.org can be updated. and the noobs can use search functions on this forum before repeating the same questions as others have. i just find it funny when questions pop up on this forum that do have answers in those 2 places.. noobs have proven themselves time and times again that they dont do research, they just hit the new topic button. its only after maybe 100 random posts that they start realizing that this forum is not an encyclopedia with paid customer service reps, that they then meander off to begin research

edit:
to the lord and masterful. i wish to stroke your ego,
translation
im being sarcastic, you are not a god, so stop thinking because someone talks to you, they are you flock of sheep.  not everyone that responds to you is a follower of your religion, so get back under your bridge. the quote i just posted from you, is that of a person that has a big ego and deserves to be insulted.. seriously.. your EGO is bigger then the big apple.. no one is following you.. you weird little man

I'm not saying the FAQ will answer every Bitcoin-related question under the sun. I'm saying it will list all questions that have been 'already been answered on the forum'. If you don't find your answer there, use the search button a couple times; and if you still don't find a satisfactory answer, sure post it. We're glad to guide you.

I am not ready to believe that every question that comes on the forum is thrown into the dustbin right away. That's not how this forum works.

I would encourage you to look at the average new persons posts.   they are not lazy, they are not stupid questions like "what is a satoshi".  but they are fequently and regularly attacked for asking simple questions...that may just be conversation starters in the least.

The price of Bitcoin is not a measure of its adoption rate though

You'll find both kind of people on every forum. Just because some people trash newbies and their questions doesn't mean there are no genuine people who answer such questions with dedication. Sure, the ratio is different on every forum and here the bashing might be gaining a majority - you might be right there; but you'll also find a small bunch of genuine guys who'd be glad to help you. I'd sure hope this changes and I also want majority of people to become 'nice guys' but nothing happens how we want it, right?

This is a really entertaining thread. I agree though that earlier adopters could be a little more understanding for newbie concerns. I usually try to answer common questions, but sometimes it's really like a déja vu and you want them to figure it out themselves. Nevertheless, just be kind people!

Bitcoin is far bigger than bitcointalk.org

I don't see it holding back Bitcoin in any way. This is a forum where the fanatics hang out. In the future most bitcoin users will never even have heard of this forum, like most paypal users probably don't hang out in paypal forums.

Bitcointalk is a largely anonymous and uncensored forum, this kind of unrestrained discussion is the result.

also, all of your questions in that other thread are answered in the Wiki, perhaps this should be linked more prominently.
https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Myths

Right now, around 3 million people posses Bitcoins. And Bitcointalk.org has around 300,000 members. The number of active members might be just around 30,000. So in a sense you are right. Most Bitcoiners don't have anything to do with Bitcointalk. 

But at the same time, most of the people who owns significant amounts of Bitcoin are members of Bitcointalk. I suspect that more than 90% of the Bitcoins are owned by Bitcointalk members. So it is not that simple.

Likewise. I haven't spent much time on this forum, but the replies to this thread make me think the OP probably has a good point.

Xenophobia?

More like Xenonausea.

Many times I have gone out of my way to help newbies who seemed genuinely interested.

But when I hear words like "Tulip" or "Ponzi" for the 10000th time, I just can't help feeling irritated and rolling my eyes. I'm only human.

Now combine the above with the fact that most people on this forum are young males who have not been trained in customer service.

It's hardly surprising that they are not always nice to newbies.

I don't think it's a big issue. Moderate growth is our friend.  If you can't think of a strong reason of getting into bitcoin, and "bad customer service" is all it takes to scare you away, then you probably shouldn't. At least not at this stage. Bitcoin 0.x is not ready for the mainstream yet.  

"Slow adoption rate". Yeah, that explains the crazy price increase in a year. I honestly didn't even read your argument....

It could even go to $1 trillion and who cares if nobody is going to touch it?

If you got out of what i said that "bad customer service" is scaring people away, you missed the point, friend.

They should just eliminate "post count" under usernames as it doesn't have much relevance. Many such as myself have been lurking since 2011

iGrow -

Your post describes how the internet was when it first came about.   Its normal.  And it wont amount to a hill of beans in the long run.  These folks are not "the reason" why Bitcoin is slow to adoption.  The reason is lack of user-friendly interfaces.  99.9999999999% of humans dont interact with these "xenophobes" so your entire post is ... unfortunately ... incorrect.  New businesses are working to make BTC easier to transact with, etc.  That's why its slow to adoption.

-B-

Technically it doesn't show post count.  It shows "Activity" which is actually more relevant.

You can make 1000 posts in one day, but Activity actually shows how long you've been active in the forum.

Right, you did take time to study up on BTC huh ?  ::)


In Dec 2013, you came here asking how you can mine with your web servers.....then disappeared

4 Months later, in April 2014, you came back asking how profit is mining contract.

4months and you still didnt understand or know about mining economy.

Either you're lying about "studying up" or you're dumb as a door knob.



Now i know why you keep typing in CAPs like a retard to, look at you:
http://www.igrowyourbiz.com/images/armswideblackandgold400.png

And here is the proof of you're in "get-rich-quick" scheme and knows jack shit or care about bitcoin or its techonology


Welcome to my ignore dumbass.

What's your point with this remark? (Ok I don't get the arms wide pose either)... But at least he is transparent and bold enough to post publicly.

YES!  LOOK AT ME!  a REAL HUMAN BEING

with a REAL PHONE NUMBER

A REAL BUSINESS - REAL EMPLOYEES - REAL REAL REAL

Not hiding behind anything anonymous

I am a public figure, my life is on display -- you can even come visit me!

Been successful since the BEFORE WEB started!

now, show us YOUR picture!

i love internet "tough guys"

you can just imagine them sipping rock star pounding their fists on the table because it turns them inside out to see others have happy lives.

Sad, sad, sad.   

exactly...IF I POST the picture publicly myself...how does that hurt me him posting it here?  bwahahahahahaha!


(the arms wide pose has to do with one of the word pictures I give when doing a speaking engagement on leadership)

That was exactly my point.

OP, you have a legitimate point that there are a lot of unnecessarily rude and aggressive people on these boards. There are also a lot of racists, anti-semites, and woman haters.

To which I reply: no big deal.

The internet always brings out the cowards. This message board is no different.

I would encourage you not to conflate bitcoin's adaptability with that of some of the aggressive doofusses on here.

That said, there are also intelligent and well reasoned posters on this board.

I say, maybe consider that instead of starting a war with the internet machos, you might be better served by ignoring them. 

Indeed

the reality is...this particular thread helps me create a wonderful ignore list :)

The OP said slow adoptive rate not slow value growth.

BTC (and other cryptos) have a slow adoptive rate for a few reasons. Here are a few:

1.) It is still really confusing and not newbie/computer newbie friendly. Go ahead, try to teach a 50-year-old about bitcoin in 5 minutes. You can teach a person everything they need to know about a credit card or checking account in 5 minutes, easily. Bitcoin takes hours and many follow-up sessions.

2.) It is still plagued by scams, frauds, and technical issues. The average joe can't be expected to constantly follow forums and reddit threads to learn of when some new exploit is discovered and the wallet needs to be updated right now or you risk losing your coins.

2b.) Updating the wallet properly (including backing it up beforehand and in some cases re-downloading the blockchain) is confusing and scary to newbies and the not-so-computer-literate.

3.) There still isn't a compelling reason for anyone to switch from primarily using fiat to primarily using BTC. It's generally confusing, it costs money (fees and such) and it is risky to acquire, hold, and use BTC (and other cryptos.) The majority of people involved right now are all investors in one sense or another, who are willing to take the risk only because they believe they will make a lot of profit.

3b.) If you disagree with the above, ask yourself - if you were to convince someone to start using bitcoin for the majority of their financial transactions, what argument could you make, other than "it will go up in value so you can make money that way" ... ?

I agree 100% with those things.  and the bottom line is the SOLUTIONS to those are going to be found within AND WITHOUT the community.

The people who can provide the solutions - like the 50 year old successful and wealthy entrepreneur/investor/professional - is not going to bother with on their first session getting flamed to death by 12 year old know it alls.

PEOPLE (not technology in and of itself) is the solution to all the barriers.  And if xenophobes keep running away those that don't sit and mine 24/7, build PCs and other uber techie behaviours...the adoption rate will continue to stagnate.

For those who say it is "only a few years"....in this day and age, there should have been WIDESPREAD adoption by now.  (look at social networks and other payment platforms).   Look at DWOLLA -- just as revolutionary, started around the same time - facing GREATER HURDLES...yet....greater adoption rate (on less publicity).   Granted - not open source and does not require the technical acumen -- but I remember when the ONLY place to buy a domain was Network solutions. You had to pay for TWO YEARS at $50 per year. PLUS a $50 setup fee.   And YOU NEEDED to be a techie to set up all A, mx, CNAME etc records with a plain interface. Yet within a few years, there were competitors and better interfaces and widespread adoption.

The "problems" are normal...the "community" is not.

I would counter that this board is not really reflective of the bitcoin community. This particular venue, while not uniform, is heavily skewed towards its more reactionary and outspoken members.

DWOLLA got popular because of Bitcoin. Then we learned that Dwolla was just as reversible as the rest of the Banking system (http://bitcoinmoney.com/post/8350754054/bank-transfer-reversals).

Major change happens slowly. People thought the .com boom changed the rules; but the crash at the end of the last century proved that was not the case. Bitcoin proves that "Know your customer" laws are a human rights issue. The average person can possibly console themselves that they are not likely to run into the reporting limits (that are no longer actually hard limits).

Bitcoin is also not ready for mass adoption. At an minimum, multi-party signatures have to be easy enough to use in a privacy-respecting way (meaning with a new address for every transaction). The network is still limited to about 7 transactions per second as well. If it goes "big" as-is: it will replace wire transfers, and not much else.

It took the industrial revolution about 300-400 years to happen after the invention of the printing press made the dissemination of information cheap and efficient. The governments in power fought the change: inventing copyright law to slow the spread of information. The agricultural revolution probably took a similar amount of time, if not longer. The invention of networked computers will lead to the information revolution if we don't kill ourselves first. I don't expect it to complete in my life-time.  Sadly, many never learn the new technology. The old generations have to die off before truly revolutionary change is accepted.

Bitcoin is a revolutionary experiment. It is the "first secure networked application ever created in the history of computers." (Out-of-context Bruce Schneier quote (http://www.gnu.org/software/free/)) Governments and banks will attack it through legal and technical means. It may only have a small niche over the next 50 years. If that happens, it will be OK: because it is just an experiment.

I don't think the community is the issue... and it was never a "selling point of bitcoin" as you say.
Its great to shoot for the moon as far as adoption,but in addition to the security and user issues,
there is definitely a segment of society that wants bitcoin to fail and go away.  The big losers
will be the credit card companies, money transmitters (western union), central banks, etc

Wow. I've been involved with bitcoin for almost a year now, have several thousands of hours invested, and owned my own businesses for the last 18 years, after leaving a corp marketing gig in the mid-90s. I've not spent a lot of time on this site, but I have found it valuable for industry news, info, and personal views. Let me say, if you epitomize the sr members here though, it's no damn wonder people in this thread feel the way they do! You are looking at this completely @55 backwards. I don't mean to single you out either, this really is meant for a larger sect.

Obviously you, and many others here, have no idea what an adoption rate entails, or all the socioeconomic factors that have to come together in the market to actually be a success, let alone with a brand new technology (Internet Protocol) that is in many ways, creating a whole new market. I think it might be best that you post less, in circumstances like this.  8) Or you can continue cutting your nose away to spite your face, a tiny little bit at a time.

How can it possibly matter? Because of the power of leverage and geometric progression. We ALL matter at this point, so shape up!  I could care less what YOUR return has been on your btc, and when you got your so-called "free money."  What a ridiculous term btw. I for one, want to see Bitcoin gain 10% share of the Forex market and change the world forever. Capisce? And, if that happens with us all working 'together' you won't be so worried about who's got how many bitcoin and how many hours they've logged.

I mean, what the hell do you think the primary purpose of a forum is anyway? Here's a hint; it's not so you can see your words in public, show off to others that could care less about you, or an opportunity for you to be condescending towards someone else, while in some weird way make yourself feel better or empowered.

This goes for others here, that do the same thing.

thank you witt

you wrote the "nice" summary of this thread

Sweet old times, I remember lurking on hackbb and onionforum, talking about different topics before being invaded by kids.

You bet. I made a few last minute changes.

Hey, every 'little' bit helps.

...There's no doubt, and we shouldn't lose sight of the 'technical' challenges still ahead of us. Continuing to share ideas and introducing solutions and options is what it's all about. Actually referencing community, this could end up being the most incredible "community" project in human history. God bless, open source. And hey, no one knew how to maneuver windows, or browse the web, and send/rec email, etc. either. Hell, I was self-taught and ended up building a small software company out of my basement. Of course I hired my programmers, but had to learn quick what 1's and 0's at that time could do, and what they couldn't. Today...oh my.

I'm afraid what's being missed here by the (I assume younger) Xenophobe crowd is that the bitcoin community is a VERY important and a unique guild and blend of the social and in your face technology. It's not like logging into FB, uploading some pics, and sending an invite...though it will be in the near future. In the meantime let's not burn bridges, turn community away. Our rapidly growing community is going to need assistance and many will, well, use the Internet to get more knowledge; imagine that.

Just be open, be kind, and help if you can. I know that's a lot to ask from some folks, and I know some others won't deserve it. One simple rule has served me well since I was a boy, (not that I don't go off a bit - once in a while - when an impact is needed:) simply treat others how you 'really' want to be treated. Fair enough?

Don't know what you're going to do！

This forum would benefit immensely if they could implement some kind of age verification and keep the kids out of the serious sections (at least block them from posting, if they want to read fine.)

I *fully* agree with OP here!! Great post!

The real reason is the common folks rather sell their soul to the government than stand up against them.

Or maybe it's because the common folks don't understand bitcoin and thus aren't even really conscious of making the choice not to use it.

Its sort of entertaining reading this dialog. Lots of "I agree with him" and lots of "thats just the way it is.."

To correct the assumption, the difficulty is not the reason adoption is slow. It's slow because most people are lazy and don't develop self-learning skills, and require being spoon fed information. 

 

One reason bitcoin's adoptive rate has been slow partially due to the absence of any sort of physical, tangible component to the currency/transactions. That's starting to change with the growth of bitcoin ATMs, debit/bank cards, and soon full-service bitcoin ATMs.

People didn't believe in credit cards for a good few years before accepting them!

It is because bitcoin is so revolutionary.  You cannot compare the adoption of bitcoin to things like smart phones because they just aren't that ground-breaking enough.  Comparing the adoptive rate of bitcoin and cars or TV would be a better measure.

I feel ya' OP but online forums in general are not typically known for their pleasantries and there are also plenty of people here willing to be generous
with information and time, seek out the helpful and ignore the rest.
Bitcoin is not mainstream because it's nowhere near ready to be. You shouldn't have to know all the things you outlined just to spend "money".
Average people don't typically know much about money (or even credit) to use it.
I'm not in the computer industry and it's taken me many hours to glean the small amount of understanding I do have, in large part on this forum.

I also understand what it's like to contribute to a forum (for years) and see the same questions asked or... example:

By the end of 2007 if I had seen another RE agent post about "what a great time it was to buy real estate" it would be possible for my best self not to shine through.
Endless posts about suing because "Zestimates" had caused owners to lose equity (It couldn't possibly be due to a  market crash).
FUD that was actually coming true and endless spam, shiestyness, market callers, doomers, cheerleaders and drowning homeowners = this site is tame ;-)

OP, if it's important to you that others "play nice" then play nice.

It went from 0 to 1200 then back down to 450 in 5 years. Its a massive turbulence in price difference, maybe thats what he is suggesting

There should be a "newbie" section on these forums, a place where people trying to understand Bitcoin can go and ask any questions and those people who don't mind answering can reply to them.

There is absolutely nothing stopping people from going about and researching Bitcoin themselves and learning about it, we can't be held responsible for peoples laziness or incompetence, I have another theory regarding Bitcoins slow adoption rate and part of the problem is that Bitcoin is trying to undo over a century of yes, I'm going to be blunt here, social engineering and brainwashing. We have been brought up with very little knowledge on how global economics and currencies actually work and that has been a deliberate and systematic process attempted by our governments to keep us ignorant.

Can't have the unwashed peasants understanding how their money works now can we? They'd revolt and bring down the central bankers early on, this is also a reason why many central banks are refusing to define Bitcoin as private money because that would nullify what they have been teaching the public for years, that their paper currency is the only true form of money, why do you think they keep trying to say Gold/Silver are commodities that can be bartered? It's the same situation.

Yes this is all my fault. I did it on purpose. I'll keep trying to slow down the adoption rate.  ::)

Thats it im blaming the goxing on you :P

Goxing is such a bad word, don't use it anymore. Does that matter? The price increase in the last years is huge. Only those who got in at the wrong times are complaining.

Do you suggest that noobs are getting dumber these days?

There's something to it, you know...

+1 billion

Nice post there, I have missed it earlier. You're definitely right, most of the population is being controlled, they are 'sheep'. People don't think about these things and just live their lives (most of them). From the moment on that I've read about Bitcoin, I knew that this was going to be something one day. The banks can't let their system die off that easily either.

noobs think that they can get a university degree's worth, a college diploma's worth and a highschool certificates worth of bitcoin information all wrapped up in a nice little bow and presented in no more then 3 paragraphs.

they need to realise that bitcoin is not just a google wallet.

bitcoin is a whole economy. with industry, investments, retailers, services. and lets not forget 1000's of lines of code.

i now personally tell people that directly ask me about bitcoin. that it is its own country, with its own industry, its own payment, its own currency, its own 'race' whereby the country is called: the internet.

that anything that they want to do and have done with fiat can be done with bitcoin. and bitcoin is open up to any new idea's that fiat laws prevent.

that if they really want to know more then how to open a wallet and send a transaction. then they really need to put in the time and research the sector they wish to get involved in.

bitcoin is far far far past just being a wallet.