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Hi everyone! We're UpDown.bt (http://UpDown.bt), bloody gamblers and market wizards. Tired of Satoshi Dice clones where you have no edge? Check out our new beautiful service with real market quotes, see if you can predict the price or just gamble — gold, silver, major currencies are already available.

https://i.imgur.com/LUFje0Nl.png

No registration, bets are instant, no deposits — no risk of us running with your money or getting hacked. In 60 seconds we pay back 1.75 times (or a bit different amount on some of the instruments) your bet if you win, and a fixed amount of 0.0001 BTC if you lose - so even if you're betting from your phone wallet, you'll see your transaction was processed.

Become an affiliate and earn 50% of our profits.

We're introducing most transparent affiliate campaign on the market. We're sharing 50% of our profits, and you can earn few BTCs per day from your faucet or Bitcoin related website. Read more here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=736039 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=736039)

FAQ:
Where you are getting the data?
— Our data comes from the open sources. For example planes in the air is a counter from the FlightRadar. White Noise, Bull, Bear, and Random walk is an artificial feeds with a different algorithms in it's core.

What is your limits for a single bet, what will be happened with my bet if it's amount is beyond the limits?
— Min bet is 0.01, max bet is 0.5, bets that are not withtin this limits will be returned to senders with miners fee deducted

Do you plan to introduce more timeframes and instruments?
— Yes, definetely.

— Bitcoin Foundation Gold Member —

Hmm, I might give this a try but its hard to send 0.1 to a site i've never heard of  :-\

Understand you, we're newly established company, but a lot of people tested us, for example redditors in /r/Bitcoin, and we put a lot in our product, so don't be afraid so much )

I have been using your site for about a week now, and I like it.  Nice work.  I have a couple concerns though:

• I like the security that comes with no user accounts, but the network transaction speed sometimes introduces a significant delay between when I want my bet to be placed and when it actually gets placed.  It is most irritating when this happens.
• I keep running out of spendable BTC because it takes so long for my winnings to come back to my wallet, your txs take forever to get confirmed.  If you had accounts then I wouldn't have to wait and I would be able to place more bets in a day.
• It would be nice if your site would show me stats about how I'm doing.  Again, if you had user accounts then you could do this.
• You have no email/support information on your site.
• I'd like to see a countdown timer that shows how long until each bet is closed.
• I'd like to know where your price feeds come so I can see if you are manipulating them and screwing me over.

I had an issue today, the first one like this in the week I've been using your service, where I sent you three transfers of 0.3 BTC each but my bet never showed up and I never got anything back.  I did not win or lose, your system simply ate my BTC.  This is a very bad sign.  You have no contact info on your website anywhere so I am not able to contact you about this and find out where my 0.9 BTC went.  What happened to my coin?

I'll send you a PM to follow up on this missing coin.

UPDATE: They did return my funds today, it took 12 hours to get it back, so not too bad.

Hard to trust and a review from a newbie is always a scam  ;)

Heh, well my review was essentially "this is neat, but you took my coins, what's going on?", and "you should do these 6 things to make it better".

It has been 6 hours since they took those three bets I made and I haven't heard anything back, and they haven't sent me any funds back.  Not cool.

UPDATE: They did return my funds today, it took 12 hours to get it back, so not too bad.

Server was broken for a few minutes, we've sent your transactions back.

Accounts will be a significant breach in security and privacy.


Maybe we will add it later.
Working on it.
You can compare our feeds to the public available feeds for this financial instruments.

Answered in a message above.

This is our beloved customer, probably he comes from a Reddit and trading with us for a few days betting primarily on the Gold price.

I can't see my transaction i lose or won how to check :-\

https://blockchain.info/tx/09bc3c7a05c6a755593eb6c189d977ac590858a8fd9831e6f74d0427995c810c (0.01 BTC)

Tested your site with a few bit-cents earlier and was all instantaneous, within 60 secs every time.
This bet however didn't went through however like the rest earlier.

https://blockchain.info/tx/3bd2e42538651684281fffe0ce8424914e367072e2036b309e5ce0637e0c01c6

Haven't received any amount from you.

Checking, will answer in few minutes

Min bet is 0.01 your bet is 0.001. I can't find Faq where is it explained what happens with transactions below minimum bet

Transaction below the min bet will be seized by the service

Transaction above the max bet will be returned with mining fee deducted.

So what about my transaction its shows 9$ no payment received why ?

when will i get my payment ?

no button for affiliates? :D

i want to share this and earn...

Min is 0.01, your was 0.001 — so now it belongs to us. Soon we will return smaller than min amounts with deducted miners fee same as we do for the bigger than max ones.

Will be available soon.

Transaction that didn't went through was been returned to you.

Moved to a new server, works more smooth now. More instruments to trade are coming soon.  

What happens if price doesn't change? It doesn't happen often but I definitely have had trades end on exactly the same pip/price. Most fiat based binary option brokers give back 100% of the trade if this happens but none of the other btc based BA dealers do.

The only thing I don't like about this site is it doesn't have an option to deposit to an account be it anonymous or not. Balances would be a lot easier as someone else said the delay between sending btc and the bet actually being placed can be an issue. Well that and the chart is tiny and doesn't show any significant amount of time.

Why would you have a minimum bet and then not return it if I bet below it?  That's real dumb.  I made the same mistake actually with 5mBTC.  There is no reason to have a minimum bet, is there?  And if so, whats the logic in not giving it back, or at least, not adding it to the persons next bet?  seems dumb...

Site looks pretty slick, any plans to extend/adjust the period beyond 60 seconds? Like can I place a bet that gold will move higher over the next 24 hours rather than 60 seconds.

Cheers

if dosen't changed they still make it loose 5 times i lost allmoney like this :( empty wallet

Is this promotion still available?

Nice site - looks really swish and professional.

EDIT: Completed a 0.1 BTC bet on Gold from 1Light1BN9Lu38Jab9iqVmJXt4Rc66WAoB. Would appreciate the 0.1 to that address. Thanks.

The only problem i am facing of i placed bet on 210 and when i click sent the money and when i see it was on 215 :/ and last problem my transaction has been stucked please check not showing in your processed system and its been deducted from my acccount.
https://blockchain.info/address/16ayrwkKnxr547fswjZdhadCpJvApRQNcu

There are some reasons, we're discussing this internally.


We made no account because a lot of people afraid of their money being stolen, like with many other hacked services. We don't want to scary people with any kind of security issues.

We will implement this next release, and will send amounts below min. with miners fee deducted.

Please check your system is stuck at 32722 transactions and my bet stucked 5$ .

Your site is back can i have my 5$ back due to your site problem which has been gone for nothing.

We've sent all stucked transactions back already.

One word: Great.

address: 19o6qUDBotLmuepH92MuSJuHyD63aS9yQb
TX: https://blockchain.info/nl/tx/014e7716011092df743540612396a860d521fd513ab1355e84f4b7fcce9a7a24

I made a bet of 0.1011BTC So I want to earn the 0.1 bonus please.

Thankyou for this amazing website :)

We've prepaired special instruments that will be available on weekends for you. One of them is the "Planes in the air now" that allows you to bet on the number of planes that currently performing flight.  

I've placed a 0.10 BTC bet, really cool game concept with a nice design.

Address : 1FBVG8RmwTJRQXWd1enMCrwnLtqmz8zaHe
TX : https://blockchain.info/th/tx/f6fcd7c02e1f4fba4934283e5b39787bf3943bee9537ba9b093c6debb7108a17

I made bet 0.1 BTC for PLANES IN THE AIR ;D

Thank you for bonus. Amazing gambling site.

Has anyone got the promotional 0.1btc?

I think this is first bonus claim comment https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=578682.msg6365917#msg6365917

And I checked that address on 24/4/2014 not have 0.1 btc income  :-\

This site is a fucking joke. It's not accessible from time to time, how do you expect you get the promotion?

Have you ever try once?

My 0.1BTC bet: https://blockchain.info/zh-cn/tx/a5ba63b41af6c0c23af53cc093c6bb24d0e2b9dcd973aab42242f3197d405227

Please send the 0.1BTC to: 1Cym2p2Txtd6phiG4mAtLHdj5KyzFp6mkU

Thanks

Am I too late for the bet bonus?

I made a 0.1 bet
address: 1LuxcNXyYJUvxxpJ7zjFHdDzBe4rC1Ew7z
tx: https://blockchain.info/nl/tx/7a5ae4d4311850366f99e6471485f74b7fd56fc35b5569b655fb9e853eb6f9a5

Thanks!

Hello I still waiting for bonus .... :-[

Just leave it a negative trust if it's not paying.

I think I received 0.1 BTC bonus right now  ;D
Thank you https://updown.bt

https://blockchain.info/th/tx/5ead5745b3bdcf9b0c99abcffbb44ad3883cc6d744d17046f56a85a83d20472f

i tried my luck with a bet above 0.1 and lost >:(

address: https://blockchain.info/address/1MySvJkkKvdwhrqfwMu3spXftYKC6fPJX5
transaction: https://blockchain.info/tx/8fae706a50858d1cc4c33411c7d3a6cf169b919f8e26d401e05df81aca8c009f

waiting for the bonus :)

All bonuses was been paid few hours ago and we still have few to pay )

Hope you enjoyed our new instruments, we plan to add more and waiting for your suggestions.

Please give us transactions ID here, so we will be able to check your bet.

https://blockchain.info/tx/f0b0c0159ac5de0424d57082ed89771d91be0619afea4c49a64141ccb73507a5 (https://blockchain.info/tx/f0b0c0159ac5de0424d57082ed89771d91be0619afea4c49a64141ccb73507a5)

Please drop me a line to the personal messages about time when and from where site was been not accessible. I will check this issue. Thanks. 

Sent

a82740b1d03306c6b7aa22f7dfe927caf0ce0fbe84f243d4c024af4ba9740845
1EbQaoAFUTSnT2ZTLc1PhSXwmrou4GHMXm

For claiming bonus.

bdf0bb8820c46894a902e2c35ef582dfdd201831a8637f133043faf17bc52704
0.3 BTC sent to 1K1wgou7FHp8w6DfjR7zRyBQsgDDKpVGUW and lost

Receiving address: 1N25xrQZmTLs6wpnEXPy995qQrJoDMAtNH

By my count there are 10 people who have sent the 0.10 for the bonus. I assume I am the last who can claim the bonus. Here is my bet transaction:

https://blockchain.info/tx/8cfd10b5297f0d65705fdaf67242736c394548e0d8dfdea7d31de77fa4f9ed5d

Please send my 0.10 bonus to (same address as I sent the bet from)
:
13WMB6AgqVatPAoti6eP5NnqRz5tQ9zKCj

Isnt the bonus only for 0.1btc? Sucks that you lost but hopefully he sends you 0.3 back!! :D

What means lost? Service should send micro-transaction back in case you loose.

Bonus is 0.1 btc only, right.

Money was sent, and this promotion is ended, but we're working on the new ones )

I think this website is fake.... :(
Because i send 2 payments to the website using 1C9deYHikLWSifReNzPJJFSCv7WiQCLp9L
I don't know i losed or won but i got nothing from the website....
Plese Reply......

It seems like the minimum bet is 0.01 BTC.

where do they get the information from?

From the universe. We have a direct connection to the universe.

Ok even though I'm not 100% sure what the guy was asking, answers like that are not going to get you more customers, if that's what you're trying to get.

Don't have a clue what the question was about, and have no idea about the answer. Sounds like a match lol. :D

So what can i do now and where is my money...
Will i get it back....

As in where does they get how many planes are there in the sky and such.

Planes in the air data came from the flightradar.com, white noise and random walk is a random data created by two different algorithms.

Are the ramdom walk and white noise pseudo random? Then, ppl may be able to crack the data and exploit your site

It's real random.

For now all the bets below the minimum will not be returned. We're working to implement different behavior.

We've checked topic again and found that one promotional 0.1 BTC still seeking for the owner. So promotion is not over yet.

That's great, this is a 0.1BTC I made: https://blockchain.info/tx/15edd2f0df08d2492babf85c51fee00298bab6a7c32706aa2d53d2d7ac2b07d0

Please send the award to 17ALQ7NyZRwVtgBDT6mniqkLNjrygCggX8

Thank you very much.

Already got the 0.1BTC promotion, thanks again.

Do they send 0.1 straight back to your wallet? Or do they contact you to make the bet on your behalf, ultimately leading to your wallet if you win?

To my wallet directly.

Thanks, hope you enjoy our service

Do you have an affiliate program? Are you planning on having one?

Hi I did also a bet under minimum price
can I have it refunded?
hash
d270ddd3c1e5bbc4ab11cf2963769e18770a2b51ba715e8fdf80363646c0dc56
from
15gZvCunzQ5EJ9ZowkrfkmKjKFCVrwY3sb

Thank you in advance

Don't you think common sense dictates
that a link for
Planes in air
white noise
random walk
and how you achieve the settle price for the above "binaries" should be explained
..... ::)
It's a roulette wheel with out green
and roulette was always the easiest game for the house to cheat at

For planes in air, I think the site owner said the data source is flightradar24.com.
However it's not always the same amount. There are many times at which the amount is different (and it's not my connection - I've checked it several times).

Yep, sometimes there is a difference. But we're not mixing the data, taking count from the same source as flightradar website did.

We're now paying for your signatures. Check our thread (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=600446.msg6610210#msg6610210) in "services" for more info:

Hello UpDown.BT either correct your site or this thread about the prices cause on your site you say that max bet is 0.3BTC and on this thread you say that it is 0.03BTC and the micro transaction here is 0.0003BTC and on your site it is only 0.0001BTC

Corrected

Found this today and tried to play, apparently there is a bug with the site, I bet correctly in two occasions but your Up and Down BTC address are the same in Chrome.

Please correct as it cost me 0.1399 BTC due to an incorrect address for the Up bet.. See below screenshot as a reference, pulled the Up address after I lost the bet and see it's the same as the down.

https://i.imgur.com/KIlVTje.png

Has anyone actually profited from this (having made at least 100 bets)? With payouts of 1.75 and 1.40 I don't see how anyone could stand to make money after even 10 bets...

Can you PM me transaction id and some details on how when you get this bug. We will investigate this issue. Sorry for inconvenience.

You can always check our current transactions, and find that a lot of winning transactions is always there.

thank you https://blockchain.info/tx/c5871cb481cf362274f045fe9e294fd2d185a67b71bea3dcac91649445d86677 (https://blockchain.info/tx/c5871cb481cf362274f045fe9e294fd2d185a67b71bea3dcac91649445d86677)

....

see this is lame i tried to bet on ^ silver but instead it jumped up instantly and madde me bet on amount not what i wanted....

Our main benefit — we're not provable(probably) fair, we're really fair. You can always check silver market quote for the time you've made a bet.

you have a beautiful site
https://blockchain.info/tx/fc2ec1e34c072403d9494d51c70202b9a89a01e6d2b23ba966ce943efef514d5 (https://blockchain.info/tx/fc2ec1e34c072403d9494d51c70202b9a89a01e6d2b23ba966ce943efef514d5)

Very cool site!  Seems to be verifiable.  Simple and fun! a phone App would be cool. 

Thanks. We're working on it.

Hope to see more update and better stable site .

Yeah this is a cool site, however a little warning to all gamblers out there, don't gamble away all your BTC.
The house is the only winner in the end. ;)

New transactions window have arrived.

I like your new transactions window it's easy to view  ;D

And soon you will be able to filter your transactions )

accidentally sent below minimum never recieved it back...
https://blockchain.info/tx/1212d0ed5e51a7bb304b34ae0a625d477a8a716e17d529995c7cf04449528b4d

Betting on real life things have a different thrill. That is why I like http://UpDown.bt over other sites

Cheers \m/

Binary options............. ewwwwww
nur very nice app, very sexy also great job!!
Took me a while to work out filghtradar doesn't have a API so you are just scraping that data from there site i see...
Naughty boy!


EDIT,:
Call me crazy but something fishy is going on here....
I do notice every second or so the plane one will update, but if you look at the site the number is different. I wrote a little app in C# to scrape that number from the DOM every single time, its different then your number. Your number is out sometimes up to 30 odd points, flightradar24.com, but its strange for its not lag, its like you are doing some strange maths wizardry on the data you are scraping. Some times its way off and sometimes the numbers i cant even work out where your pulling them from, sometimes i can see ahh that's just the real number minus 1 or 2 but sometimes its 30 random points away from where it should be.

Open http://www.flightradar24.com/ on one monitor and open updown.bt in another.
now there is no API for flightradar that data must be scraped form the dom that span containing the text, if that span on flighttradar dosnt change then why the fudge is your data changing???

yours:
5277, 5288, 5286, 5279, 5269, 5270

flightradar:
5277, 5268, 5249, 5246, 5246, 5248

Currently as this is typed there is a spread of 5279 - 5246 = 33 points....

Here is screenshot,
https://i.imgur.com/UWKrrbl.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/UWKrrbl.jpg

We're taking all the data from the same file as their UI does. So, not we, but they are making some calculations on the side of UI, which is 1.5mb of compressed javascript code not so easy to decompress and understand. I can PM you the details and you can check my words by yourself.

I cant trust that binary options are 100% fair, im happy to take a look feel free to forward it to me and ill confirm here, i do suggest maybe implement some kind of provable fairness system.
But really the site is sexy other then those dependency's great work.

Where you are getting the finance data?
(ex eur/use,usd/chf)

it's quotes different from that i see my trading system

Something is strange here.  I am showing a 40 point spread most of the time.  And it's not constant between flightradar24.com and the number on the site.  As I type this Flightradar shows 5264 and UpDown shows 5219. 45 is too much to play around with.  

look above

Not kicking back anymore.

We're getting data in open sources. Forex quotes depends on it's provider because it's OTC market.

We use real market data, what else you need to proof? Planes and random are artificial instruments (for planes we're taking the data from the flightradar, but they have no API, so it's some kind of scraping which can't guarantee quality of the data) and we saying that random is random. If you don't think this instruments is fair, just play with others.

Planes in the air is grey'd?

It just grayed out actually.  Tried to bet $10.00 and it just sent ther money right back.  Oh well. 

Great site! I've lost some money with other binary options platforms, so I'm quite sceptical on the favourable options with this kind of trades.

Are you giving away any kind of bonus/benefit for new players?

Great site, innovative I must admit...for me too confusing :(

Do you offer 5 min options?

Planes are taking some rest, other instruments available as usual )

Nope

12.5% house cut - seriously? This is worse than most Casino games...

Any chance that you might in the future? I would also like to see 5 min options!

Actually, if it were to be more like a real binary options site, you'd have 1 min, 5 min, 30 min and 60 min as well.

i'm really want to try this site but can you give me some BTC for deposit  :)

Can't say for sure now. Depends on your interest and activity )

And me please! I want some free BTC too!

Thought this was great at first and the graphx are beautiful, but lag changes and that is not good. Sometimes hits right away and sometimes not… Need to create consistency & and its not my bandwidth... 8)

So can you give the sources of your data?  The only thing that seemed to be verifiable was the flights.. and it's gone, even though that was often off from what everyone could see for themselves.  You say you get your data from open sources... but everything I've compared your numbers to in real time is different from what your site shows.  Forgive me if I am missing something, but there's no better way to prove the bets are legit than to be able to verify bets in real time.  "Open sources" leaves a big window of possibility.

Thanks

Is there any promo running ?

It's key to have the data sources

Would like to see the other games come back on nice up down bets more games the better

This.  @OP, do you mind telling us, or even publicly posting on the website, where you get each set of "open source" data from?  Thanks!
I've already played a couple of times.. but I would like you to verify as well :)

What do you mean house cut mean that bank is taking that much. In all honesty winning 1.7x amount you put in is worth while providing you have a winning streak on it. even 1.5 is good enough in some places with a good fair min amount to play bigger min deposit and spend  I would agree little too high but nothing we can do as members other than to cast our voice.

Without a doubt data manipulation going on here.  Vega scans show changes inserted after bets.  Grey them all out.  Hoping this was a legit site.  


EDIT - Post that and then the whole site goes down.  Priceless. Will be a good write up. 

Vega scans?

Vega is an open source web auditing tool.  Can provide very useful information

https://github.com/subgraph/Vega/wiki/Vega-Scanner


This will be fun Mr. Aaron

PM me with details of your scanning and I will provide you an answers.

Am I understanding this correctly? They complain about a 1% house edge, but they are taking 12.5%?

Either way, people offering "binary options" people are well known to be the scum of the earth. I can't imagine these people being much better. Anyone working for this company should stop justifying what it is they are doing. Any small part you play in making this world a shittier place is not helpful. Tricking helpless people into paying 12.5% of whatever money touches this site is horrendously unethical. Please stop working for these people/ being these people.

BTC is just perfect for binary options people. Sigh.

Sites not down here and is working perfectly fine.

Either way, people offering "insurance" people are well known to be the scum of the earth.
Either way, people offering "politics people are well known to be the scum of the earth.
Either way, people offering "loans" people are well known to be the scum of the earth.

You know the difference. We're not saying that we're trying to save the world. We're making binary options.

UpDown,

Are you getting the forex quotes from Dukascopy API ?

Nice website layout and design. Congratulations!

I'd like to suggest some improvements:

1st) Bitcoin's network confirmation time may be annoying for those betting in 60s. The real delay (counting 4 confirmations) might get over 10min (what a gap)!

2nd) E-mail support or form contact is mandatory;

3rd) Showing the feed source for each type of bet may help proving that this game is (almost) provably fair;

4th) If the price remains the same, you should send the funds back (minus tx fee) to gambler (as almost binary options bookers do);

P.s.: BTW as the time I'm writting this, the "plane bet" payout is x1.3. That's too much edge/juice/vig for a gambler to handle IMHO... The player must have a win ratio of ~80% to profit from that continuously. That's almost impossible.

Keep up the good work!

1) Yes, but we don't want to introduce any kind of user accounts, because of privacy and security reasons.

2) We're using this forum as a place where people can ask us, and we have a link to our thread on the website

3) We're not disclosing a source for the financial feeds and never plan to.

4) We will discuss it.

Regarding planes — payout rates for this instrument is changing according to current situation. Sometimes it's easy to win 80% times on this instruments, and some of our players knows this very well, so we just adjust this ration to the current state of the "market". )

Why will you not disclose the financial feeds??? This just screams that you are basically making your own random fluctuactions in the price to make sure you make money and players lose...

Also any huge winners (5+ BTC lifetime) yet off you guys? I found someone down about 5 coins to you guys through following the blockchain  :P

great site

great site for binary option using BTC

A lot of people can test our financial data for fairness using their own trading terminals, price on forex pairs can be a bit different among different providers, but a lot of people anyway can see that our prices are fair. Gold/silver/oil price can be easily checked on google finance.

Regarding huge winners — a lot of people coming to our website is a returning customers.

Problem on system with 2 bets.

17:50:19 1C6NPceh… NZD/USD
 0.02 0.85545 ↑ lose: 0.85544

When this close it was 0.885546 So I should of won but it said previous number when 0.085546 was their on last sec and also went up one or 2 number when it closed and said I lost yet it was a win.

2nd bet

18:08:39 1CrazyZm… Gold
 0.04 1305.96 ↑ lose: 1305.96 how is this a loss It should be a bump or even thus paying back what I bet and again  this bet was done and it went up then system halted and went up again yet saying it was a loss when their was time remaining and above and gone up.

Also I have seen this happen on 3 other bets with peoples bets such as one of the following.

18:25:26 1CiA7yxg… AUD/USD
 0.014 0.92387 ↑ lose: 0.92387

If this is a tie when numbers are even like example black jack house has 17 you also have 17 its classed as tie so house pays your bet back because its nether a win or lose but tie. This should be in effect too with your system because if one bets up or down and still results same numbers coming out then its tie and not loss or win but tie and best amount should be paid back.

This has happened on one of my bets but the other bets I would like some answers to why your system is locking up on bets and numbers gone up and should be a win yet system locked up and then numbers went up and I didn't get paid on it

hi  help me deposit and win bet did not pay balance BTC 0.000000   >:(

http://i.hizliresim.com/Gn4ynZ.png
http://i.hizliresim.com/Vpz3pZ.png
http://i.hizliresim.com/O2zyBA.png

Problem with payment.

I had bet the following 0.1BTC on white noise.

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Status: 4/unconfirmed
Date: 26/05/2014 18:21
To: White Noise Down 16DtLiRzkJ24DRaf3KHRf6PQyFJeqyC3gY
Debit: -0.10 BTC
Transaction fee: -0.0001 BTC
Net amount: -0.1001 BTC
Transaction ID: cb89de900b6768439f8c9b90e4c7ec9c1ee99dda06cbf069ef88afebbae5f7e6

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I had won on the bet and received payment to my wallet however payment shows conflicted pay.

Status: conflicted
Date: 26/05/2014 18:22
Credit: 0.175 BTC
Net amount: +0.175 BTC
Transaction ID: 6f8d03424c9f6b15d599524bc399d72711d887ada2f8da40920bd02c8fd807c5

Block chain is reporting the following.
https://blockchain.info/tx/6f8d03424c9f6b15d599524bc399d72711d887ada2f8da40920bd02c8fd807c5

unconfirmed payment

http://puu.sh/92fIa.png


And wallet coming from
https://blockchain.info/address/16DtLiRzkJ24DRaf3KHRf6PQyFJeqyC3gY

Shows empty.

Think you have some problems in your system. Please sort payment out and also please look at my other problems regarding tie status on game and problems on bet.

I see your making a lot of binary bets. Are you up or down so far?

stop fooling if this scam!
waste time on things that do not matter!  >:(

Define Binary bets. If you mean by betting scrypt I don't use scrypt am simply using blockchain. If you mean from a range of numbers then Yes And so far I am up but now their seems to be another problem and no bets have gone though for the last 10 to 15 min to 20 min.


Please refund this or pay winnings on it as I was timing on site and timing with stop watch and this should of had winning amount on silver at time and system did not update for winning bet or even show up in the bets placed log
https://blockchain.info/tx/0cff4a380b47440a42620a347462991622421ffd23af5eec452fb3eb3bc9f5d5


Last bets on site shown.
http://puu.sh/92mIa.jpg

20:07:38 was my last bet with BTC0.02 BTC timed exactly 60 sec on silver and should of won owing me BTC0.035 However Time is now 20:31 and still no updates on bets placed.

Please fix system and please refund or pay winnings. Thank you




and not forgetting the  2 bets with problems previously said.

17:50:19 1C6NPceh… NZD/USD
 0.02 0.85545 ↑ lose: 0.85544

When this close it was 0.885546 So I should of won but it said previous number when 0.085546 was their on last sec and also went up one or 2 number when it closed and said I lost yet it was a win.

Total winnings to be paid 0.035 BTC or refund transaction of 0.02


2nd bet

18:08:39 1CrazyZm… Gold
 0.04 1305.96 ↑ lose: 1305.96 how is this a loss It should be a bump or even thus paying back what I bet and again  this bet was done and it went up then system halted and went up again yet saying it was a loss when their was time remaining and above and gone up.

Total winnings to be paid 0.0875 BTC or to refund original transaction of 0.04 BTC


Also I have seen this happen on 3 other bets with peoples bets such as one of the following.

18:25:26 1CiA7yxg… AUD/USD
 0.014 0.92387 ↑ lose: 0.92387

If this is a tie when numbers are even like example black jack house has 17 you also have 17 its classed as tie so house pays your bet back because its nether a win or lose but tie. This should be in effect too with your system because if one bets up or down and still results same numbers coming out then its tie and not loss or win but tie and best amount should be paid back.

This has happened on one of my bets but the other bets I would like some answers to why your system is locking up on bets and numbers gone up and should be a win yet system locked up and then numbers went up and I didn't get paid on it



Now website is broke and down

http://puu.sh/92o3e.png

Website is far from a scam. Just checked on my other payments that where stuck have come though but still missing payments on games that had gone though and not confirmed on website.

Am sure admins are working to fix the bugs and problems on the site.

I will wait for admin to update within 24 to 48 hours if theirs no updates or fixes and my broken stuff refunded then ill be moving away from this site. However I trust admin here as they also have a signature campaign running too that I would like to take part in however will wait until theirs answers and details of what is going on.

It's a SCAM

Our hoster have a problem, we're on it, hope website will be back soon.

Do you have any proof? No? So get out of this thread.

hey https://updown.bt/ site down???

Website not accessible too.

It is accessible. running fo rme.

This site working well for me  :D

Strong suspicion is good enough for me when dealing with a BTC gambling site.  If you don't want unproven criticism, you should be the one leaving the public forum.  You can always buy advertising.

UpDown.BT can you tell me if I am going to be refunded for the games  played or paid my winnings from the infomation provided as am still 3 games owed for winnings and still no anwser to the otehr parts regarding the out come of the games

I have added you to the Bitcoin Games Directory  ;D

How much will you win? I don't see this anywhere on your site! Thanks!

Its clearly saying like 1.75, 1.8 or 1.3 different multiplier for different commodities.

call me biased, but stupid game.
there is a several second delay between me sending the btc and the game receiving it, and it messes everything up
lost 3 bets in a row on silver, all of which would have been won had i gotten the 'low' the second i clicked..  would be way more fun with smaller amounts
 

If you are doing it from client ie Windows system wallet then theirs going to be delay and lacancey. Bet from blockchain.info and have a separate account for doing it. I find bets are much quicker from block chain than doing it from main wallet. However having said that I still find some lag between bets and still have a lot of un answered questions.

Yes, I used blockchain. basically, heres how it went down: I was betting on silver, which after 15 mins of watching was constantly between 19.01 and 19.12. it would peak or bottom for a few seconds, and then spend most time in between.I would bet above right as I see it getting to 19.01, but in the 3 seconds it took or so, the bet EACH TIME went to (+19.05), and each lost. had i been able to place the bets instantly/in 1 second, I would have absolutely won them all.

Really professional looking website, I am gonna do some speculation when I get my bitcoins soon!
Maybe you could add some extra thing's to bet on like stocks or maybe Wk 2014.
And maybe lower the minimum bet, I think those things would attract some new customers,

http://i1273.photobucket.com/albums/y401/progamer3555/Screenshotfrom2014-05-30002906_zpseab9c332.png



http://i1273.photobucket.com/albums/y401/progamer3555/Screenshotfrom2014-05-30003257_zps6f75ab62.png


I sent the payments in a batch and only received two wins, idk if the server is lagging or what. I will wait i just wanted to post here because payouts has always been instant and i'm out 3BTC. I hope it comes or we can find a solution.



The first payout it says my balance was -0.49btc what does that mean? still had some btc in my account.


I have 2.887now i should have around 4.47 after that win.

If you need more screenshots pmme

http://i1273.photobucket.com/albums/y401/progamer3555/Screenshotfrom2014-05-30005022_zpsb2c43e0b.png

Don't even have 3.5BTC no recent transactions.
I think i may have crashed your server with that bet haven't seen any other bets in the past 15minutes.

Just bet 0.01 on oil going up twice and got my original bet back instead of a x1.75 win  ???

First bet:

https://blockchain.info/tx/496eaa82fba3d7560eaeacd7897934a040bd3b4b8b8fdb73a38390babcf792d0 -- bet 0.01 BTC
https://blockchain.info/tx/bcc6e0cee902f8dd0f49363f99c02b761f926c7afed262350d696f467b56cce7 -- returned 0.0099 BTC

Second bet:
https://blockchain.info/tx/d690653af85c6ef351158f875198ad46fc0264c8a32eed8cab0c0b2174e0d96d -- bet 0.01 BTC
https://blockchain.info/tx/afa2341682918f1001970b6dd8a7600a678bc910eacb8d2db1867c3120280ecb -- returned 0.0099 BTC


I didn't lose much but just letting you know that the site isn't working atm

Okay i received my btcs, 0confirmations but it's all showing must have been lag.

Hey, what's the delay with the payments. Waiting for my win ... made at 1:45:30 (sunday) on RANDOM WALK by 13fqocCWaWx4ZdDtef2LHTwpxVbXtBKLo3

Seems to be that one of hot wallets is a problem and being out of funds. For pending or unconfirmed this seems to happen when theirs not enough funds available so it moves funds over to it when needed every few hours. Happened to me a few times with some bets and had to wait until their was funds available so that conflicted or unconfirmed payments would go though.

and now my bet went I don't know where? Sent 0.0320894 BTC to RANDOM WALK up and it does not show it in the list or anything..... refund please
to 13fqocCWaWx4ZdDtef2LHTwpxVbXtBKLo3  .......... i can give proof if needed. Hope you can fix all these problems.

So not to be trusted this site? So their signature campaign is a no?

We have some technical issues on weekend, that seems to be solved now.

I'm really happy because OP online answer and solve problems  after crazy weekend. ;D

Payouts was made in time:

https://blockchain.info/ru/tx-index/57489550 (https://blockchain.info/ru/tx-index/57489550)
https://blockchain.info/ru/tx-index/57489383 (https://blockchain.info/ru/tx-index/57489383)
https://blockchain.info/ru/tx-index/57490413 (https://blockchain.info/ru/tx-index/57490413)
https://blockchain.info/ru/tx-index/57489385 (https://blockchain.info/ru/tx-index/57489385)
https://blockchain.info/ru/tx-index/57494288 (https://blockchain.info/ru/tx-index/57494288)
https://blockchain.info/ru/tx-index/57496008 (https://blockchain.info/ru/tx-index/57496008)
https://blockchain.info/ru/tx-index/57489548 (https://blockchain.info/ru/tx-index/57489548)

So still problematic...waiting for 4 hours for my payments...received them and now another 3 for my next one....please fix this ... really love this site.
13fqocCWaWx4ZdDtef2LHTwpxVbXtBKLo3

thanks guys  ;)

This site is awesome

Hey again. I made a bet 0.29034122 BTC and won on Random Walk down. I have been waiting about 10 hours for my win?
13fqocCWaWx4ZdDtef2LHTwpxVbXtBKLo3 ... Bet was made 2014-06-03 15:59:15

Helloooo....is anybody going to deal with this problem or what? Would like my bitcoins back. 0.29034122 bet was made on RANDOM WALK and won. It's been 13 hours all ready.

if ur having issues with the OP i think is time we have scam accusation going before he dupes many others.  He has been online and has been irresponsible with customers and advertisers.  Time to get together full force against this OP. 

seconded. i dont believe this game is fair.

This has been shenanigans from the start. He still wont give sources for his data. It is truly a cool site...but then again so was Casinobit.  With this guys data not only do his figures not match up with the rest of the world.. but there is no consistency in the differences as they fluctuate all the time.  Also that little bit about data being injected into the stream after a bet is placed.  Maybe it's just all a giant coincidence. But I doubt it. 

Please PM me if you have any questions.

Apparently there were technical issues, site is working fine now.  Also OP has paid all advertisers so looks like everything is legit and fine.

Yes, we've got few scammers, who tried to play unfair and harm our service, but now everything seems to be solved.

Hey, I accidentally sent under the minimum, it has been 24 hours, and I haven't received anything back?

My bitcoin address is 14KdFrFdoLxFkgkMGAXkNVRu3BArSU2Sen

Funds sent under minimum. https://blockchain.info/tx/7821d454e987a359c26b548141e6687ea66b94dc13795b1a73ccfc8aff29e0da

I don't see the point in having the minimum bet TBH. It just generates complaints when funds are seized and is bound to create a bad customer service rating. If anything, put a bit more of a notice. Such as when copying the address. A small string of text below the main website is horrible for people who 1. Have bad screens, 2. Mobile devices, or 3. Simply did not see it. If anything, don't make the bet and send back with fee deduction.

If at all possible, please refund the amount.

great https://i.imgur.com/PZ4iU6P.png

I would really like to see some other options for expiry times, such as 5 min, 1 hour, etc.

It has been 6 days, and I still haven't received anything?
I sent under the minimum... https://blockchain.info/tx/58bd0f2588cf6fd3211308aeede7f73764b6e0764fed4d671dcd729e16be6b6b

Is it just you or the other are having the same problem ?

Just checking and may be want play some :)

According to previous posts, if you send under minimum your funds get seized. I'd like an answer on this too though.

What a great site to have "fun" and gamble BTC. Safe, secure, and reliable.


updown.bt please check PMs

The issue is if you make a bet under the minimum. I assume the site is fine if you pay above minimum.

If you bet under minimum, your funds are seized without warning. There is no warning on the site as far as I can see (It should be in plain sight regardless) regarding the process of seizing funds sent below minimum.

I still haven't received anything!!!!!!!!! this site is a scam!!!!!!!!!

How can you just steal money off of people, especially when you are a website that requires trust? DO NOT TRUST THIS SITE!!!

Send me back my money and I will change my opinion, but it has already been over a week with no contact, comment or money back = SCAM!!!!!!!!!

Lol and op has not been online for days now, where were left the bitcoin foundation gold member , hehe hope op come back online.

Hello,
Well, actually, without an explicit URL of the data source for each binary option, this is actually quite worrying , not to say unsafe/scammy

Wow, very useful, much truth, such proofs.. http://dogecoin.com/imgs/doge.png
Pure random, open source, blablabla.... We need an explicit documentation/sources , or we can state that it's a provably unfair and cheated system with not so random values. I don't understand how people can bet money while not knowing any single information about the whole thing

I've waited for more than 5 days for a response on lost/seized funds due to minimum bet. I'll be posting negative rep.

Ignoring customers requests and performing seizing of funds on something not easily seen nor specified is bad business practice.

lol and they still have their ad on maxkeiser.com

Feel free to post here with details and problems of payments and anything related to the site.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=656074.0

Many people including me have been scammed and no where to be seen.

Posted. I'm hoping this gets resolved.

Wow, and to think I was just about to start using them!

And yet another scam in Bitcoinland. I hope you guys get your money back.

I make bet to planes on air 0.4 btc 69068be8eb131e4893fd300439fed8c9533deefab2b308d9dd9f476f12021a22 and probably won but in less then 1 minute i receive 0,399 55467d02217cede74ca2090ba91a9505d69303d135c80dca2358e9ade7908058 but if i won 0.4x1.3=0.52 what am I doing wrong ?

There is a min and max transaction limit. The max bet is 0.3.. It sucks that your bet didn't go through but be happy your funds weren't seized like the rest of us who didn't see that small little text.

We're sending back bets that doesn't fit our minimal requirement, but only if it's amount is higher than miner's fee.

In a past month we decided to switch off instant payouts because of double spend scam (that's why some of you wait a lot for money coming back — hot wallet was clean because of scam). Now everything works perfectly smooth, but you still have to wait for one confirmation on any transaction.

Nice to see UpDownBT back in action now I would like some answers to my deposits sent to your site and also sent details to you of payments and you never refunded me for the. Plus I am still owed from your signature campaign for outstanding months and posts I had been active on your campaign. Am I going to be refunded thos bets on site that wasn't paid out on and where meant to of been wins yet your system kept on messing up. And also am I going to be paid for my time spent on your signature campaign?

good news

hope everything works out now after you done that :))

you should add approx time to wait until confirmation is done on your bets or something like that :)

Welcome back Updown. You have been gone for almost a month, and many expected you to never come back. ;)

Welcome back. Hope all is well.

Can you give an ETA as to when funds will be returned?

Being not provably fair is not the same as being provably unfair.

Can you proof he is unfair? I doubt it.

Can he proof he is fair? Probably not.

Does that make him a scam? Maybe, maybe not.

This site is fair, you wanna see the proof of the fairness like with apples or oranjes, no gambling site will do that.

These guys are managing to perform double spend attacks! you will lose your btc

These should be banned from advertising here - performing double spend attacks

https://blockchain.info/address/1KmNqdNoxU9f1MscfqjRtutpoRTJkL1QWH

shit heads

How does that double spend works? im not seeing any weird in that address

I still have yet to receive any refund/consolation. Has anyone as of yet?

If updown doesn't pay the sig campaign I think it's safe to say it's a scam site, wouldn't you?  Came on July 1 and said HE was scammed (hot wallet emptied).  Sounds like some BS frankly in light of the fact that updown appears to be hiding now.

Why would they pay $25,000 to become gold member of foundation only to scam?  He didn't make $25,000 back from btc gambling site, did he?

He provided the reasoning that his health was at risk. This can be a valid excuse, but unfortunately there is no way to validate this.

While I don't want to jump to conclusions, I'm definitely hoping an answer will come soon. I'd hate to see his reputation be tarnished (Which it already has been) because of a legitimate health concern. However, I'd also hate to see people's money go out the window if this is in-fact a scam.

Time will tell.

Well, he came online on Jul 1 and Jul 4 and made 4 posts in total.
If he was able to do that, he should be able to send out bitcoin payments for those in his sig campaign, or at least send the bitcoin to a trusted person and ask him/her to manage the campaign.

Just my own opinion. :)

dont give him any more reasons to make up more excuses, he can get wifi at a hospital im sure he wasnt sick all those weeks, nor did he give any valid excuse to why he was sick in the first place, he is just buying time to scam more, no one play at this site till he pays, thats that.  im going to blog him as a scammer where i find his advertising at.,, everyone should do the same.

This site is most likely a scam, IMHO.  Please see:


https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=600446.0


As far as I'm concerned, if he would cheat us (because that's what this is), then he would try to cheat on his gambling site as well.

Service got a bunch of double spent attacks, so a lot of transactions was stuck during this time, and I was mostly away last month because of illness. Now everything works fine, except one thing — payouts are not instant anymore.

doont trust what he says, he made threats for people to keep his sig and he already owes them for a month

No offence but to me sounds like your running a bitcoin business being non solvent just like mtgox,  Plus I seeen many scam accusations about not paying forum advertisers.  Its very petty for you invest 25000 usd, then to let everything fall due to an illness which you never elaboratley explained to any of the members.

From what I read in the sig campaign thread, a lot of people are still waiting for their payment for last month...

Everybody got paid with a week or so delay — not so big delay to name someone a scammer. We've meet a lot of scammers on the forum, and it makes me laugh a bit when someone who sells his signature for money names us scammers after week delay.

We'd like to respond to the article by Tom Butterfield (https://medium.com/@TomOnBTC/second-biggest-member-of-bitcoin-foundation-involved-in-hacking-of-mt-gox-b97a3527b4ac).

UpDown.bt has no relation to MtGox or any of MtGox hackers / leakers. UpDown.bt has never hosted any leaked data.UpDown.bt does not own the IP address 89.248.171.30 - it is the address our hosting provider assigned us on the 25th of March, 2014. We obtained the domain name updown.bt on the 10th of April, 2014 - prior to that we used updown.ws . The SSL certificate we use is issued to the domain name updown.bt only.

So to us it seems the leaker used the same hosting provider (or re-seller), and that's all there is to the story.
To avoid future confusion, we'll be changing the IP address of our service.

We believe that clarifies everything, and we're here to answer any question you might have

Ok, where were you when everyone was wondering what was going on with the sig campagin payouts?  No explanation has been given as to why there was a delay, and it seemed like every time you popped on you just gave an excuse.

Second, has updown ever been involved in double spends, and sending double spends to "winning" bets on your site?  (see previous threads where someone's btc wallet was emptied of btc they had won from your site)

That seems like a bit of an insult to your own clients.
I have yet to receive my "seized" funds back. Can you please provide a response to this as I have waited for a rather long time.
You cannot expect people to not grow impatient with the delays that have been caused by your company.

So how is this a scam? I've been playing on here with like 0.05 or less now for the longest time for fun, and nothing has ever happened to me :\

will try it , looks interesting and hope its fair :)

Agree with initski.  Updown why are you minimizing the fact that you were so late?  No, now I wouldn't call you a scammer but your attitude is to screw everyone else, even in this post I'm quoting.  There's nothing unethical about selling a signature, but your actions were unethical where you were indefinitely holding us all hostage with no idea whether you'd payout or not.  Even if you had come and said "sorry guys, I'm really ill, I'm gathering coins to pay, etc." it would have been ok.  Instead you promised 2 different dates on which you would pay and totally ignored those dates and didn't even pop on to say what was going on.

Lol I think I might have broken it. I have 4 winning bets all of which are processing, and there are bets above mine (winning ones too) that have already processed. I wonder when he will be able to come up with the 1.75 BTC :)

EDIT: Oh what do you know, he just did it! I'm genuinely impressed.

You need more faith. We're not a scammers, we're making business. And finally everybody (who had enough faith and hope) got paid.

You should wait for at least one confirmation until doublespends are possible in the network.

Hi, I have encountered 2 major problems. First your system introduces a VARIABLE LAG before transactions are processed. This lag can be anywhere from 1 second to 12 seconds in my experience. You don't have to take my word for it, look on the blockchain. The differential there is huge. 12 seconds is 1/5th of the entire length of the binary option. Theoretically with that kind of lag it would be possible to completely change the outcome of a bet, and this has happened to me multiple times. It is mandatory that you fix this.

Second, your system occasionally marks withdraws as "processing" rather than actually "win" or "loss". Then, later, it will switch to "win" or "loss" by which time the price may have changed significantly. It doesn't appear to always check the price at the time it "began" processing. This can last 15 minutes which obviously is way longer than the option itself. For an example where this system has cheated me out of winnings I should have been due, please refer to the transaction made immediately prior to the one made at 23:49:07.

Please fix these problems. My address is the one in the transaction I just referenced (23:49:07).

I have yet to be paid for the amount seized?

You didn't answer my questions or address many peoples' concerns- your only reply was that I need more "faith".  And without more answers and changes to your site it's blind faith which is a stupid thing to do. You said you'll address Any issues, I asked questions about why there was a delay and no information from you, you said I need more faith and hope. Talk about avoiding the question...

Hello... nobody is even paying attention to how the site itself cheats (either intentionally or unintentionally) and instead is focusing on the sig campaign... lol

Maybe it tells us the site has more signature ad participants than customers lol. :D

Roflmao. Well, the administration should be online aNY minute now. Maybe he can go in and fix his code.

Exactly. The site (and owners) business practices are completely shady.

1) This is a technical lag, transaction processing can take some time that we're trying to make as small as possible. Hope that new technical infrastructure will help us to avoid any lags like this.

2) Bet will be processed in 60s after it was been made, "processing" doesn't change anything here, we just need some time to get information from our server and show it on the website.

Hopefully not. We have much more bets that signatures )

you didnt pay me what is owed Uptown I was patient enough and left feedback, you owe me .29 btc

Updown.bt, please review my earlier messages. Your site still hasn't processed the payments it was 'processing'... :\

Hope everything is solved now.

Can you give me transaction ID?

I gave you the time in the system. Here are some examples:

https://blockchain.info/tx/7124cfad4fc011e62343d38327d55d402015bd93f558c9917b7ca282096201d9
https://blockchain.info/tx/09219873db9e309ff9442df08997aadfc880f9554ec4a249c9af7f3423bdbe04

Because of the lag in the system its pretty hard to tell which had the problem.

If you guys want to bet/trade with a legit 60 second option broker go to http://satoshioption.com. They might not be on bitcointalk vary much but the site has always paid me over the last 12 months

Pro's

100% anonymous
Onsite wallet
Been paying for more than a year
Money forgotten in a onsite wallet is automatically sent back to the sending address after 3 days of inactivity


Con's


Markets sometimes turn off/on
Deposits need 1 confirmation
Low payout for btc/usd compared to forex pairs/gold/silver

Satoshi Option also runs a option exchange for btc/usd more similar to normal options instead of binary. I haven't personally tried that portion of the site yet though so no feedback.


Alternatively beastoption runs on professional binary option trading software which is pretty much the same as any usd/eur/gbp based binary broker. They also offer longer timeframe of 1m to 1h.

We're paying everyone since we've start an operation, having more fancy interface and working on a much more new stuff in a coming months. Service had some bad times for a month or so, but it was always paying to the customers.

We've had a lot of discussions about onsite wallet, but we want to secure client's money as much as possible, and best way to do so is not to store client's money.

As many people have stated it's also the best way to prolong the bet by x amount of time. With a 60 second option even 1 second delay (never mine 50-100%) is enough to tip the scales from profit to loss. Which is why I only play where onsite wallets are available.

Both of the transactions you provided above are processed without any errors.

Processing status will be shown until we will get first confirmation, that may take pretty much time sometimes.

(1) My orders have been processed many times without this 1 confirmation requirement.
(2) This rule is not shown ahead of time and is entirely unreasonable. How can I possibly predict when the next block will come, let alone the price of gold at that time?

Hope this delays will be smaller after upcoming infrastructure update, and we're still discussing onsite wallets for hardcore players who wants no delay in bets processing. Thank you for your feedback.

Before we was trying to work without transactions confirmation but as well as many other providers was been affected by doublespend fraud.

You get it wrong. We're waiting for confirmation only to provide payout and avoid doublespend. It doesn't affect the time of bet realisation.

Except it does in my case. Please refer to the transaction date/time I provided.

Transaction ID: https://blockchain.info/tx/7821d454e987a359c26b548141e6687ea66b94dc13795b1a73ccfc8aff29e0da

Still needing refund for the above payment (Under minimum).

Your bets was been processed in 60 seconds right after it was been made, as I can see in our backoffice, as an example let's take first transaction you provided above.

You bet on gold price fall from 1293.69000 at 2014-07-15 22:29:32 utc, 60 seconds after, at 22:30:32 gold price was 1293.70000, so this bet was wrong and you loose.

Minimal bets are still a donation. We just plan to return transactions that are below minimum, but not implemented it yet.

Thanks, but your cause is one I do not wish to donate to.

I request my money back. I never specified I wish to donate. It is your companies requirement to specify and make sure people are understanding the minimum bet principle; otherwise you will be called scammers.

https://blockchain.info/address/1693HN1oMHt71eA9xqbMYNVdBD4xbLLJDa

need refund i waited for 2 hours my no bet happen i want refund i no more trust u

site is known to be dishonest if not outright scammer.

Hi,
I placed a bet on the white noise going down
https://blockchain.info/tx/c306437d8d227aedabebde6f322a146016bdb4a775d44cc748f4011d3abb86a3
I won it after 60 seconds, yet instead of giving me the money, my transaction went into "processing..." for another minute. Then it came out as "lost" with the price at that moment.
You can check the time logs. I believe this is a website glitch and I request a refund.

I also sent 0.0097 bitcoins by mistake (below limit)
https://blockchain.info/tx/f45f8f85ebcc84a9e96dfec44b2dfcbc6793d5b8fe4b57e30bfcf20726fa7880
and I have not received a refund for those.

Seems like you won't be able to receive a refund. I hope you enjoyed donating to the site owner. :/


Website = Scam. He is paying people out in his signature campaign (some people), but completely ignoring other issues. His trust is going up because of signatures which is completely ignoring the shady nature of his site.

That's not what he says in the first post.
If he wants to run a long-term business instead of scamming a few people for <$5, it is in his interest to honour his word.

I believe the website is still in development and subject to glitches. I reported 2 of them here: transaction went into "Processing..." instead of closing after 60s (you can check the time logs, it is a bet I should have won) and bet below minimum is not being returned (you can check the blockchain) If the owner accepts to refund, he will prove beyond doubt that his website is not a scam. If not, I lost $10 and life goes on :P

Yeah. He said that refunds would be sent out soon (Quoting me).

He is flip-flopping on his word. He needs to start paying attention to this thread and responding. I'm surprised his website/company/business has lasted as long as it has with the ethics (or lack thereof) and business approach he has taken.

IMO, Updown hasn't done the best job in communicating with the users, as he has spent too little time on bitcointalk.
For example, he hasn't been online since July 18...

I am sure a lot of people knows this already, but UpDown.bt is a scam. It is also connected to the hacking of MtGox.

Be careful.

I didnt get payment . I bet on UP for GOLD for 0.09 BTC and I won, but there was not any payment.
https://blockchain.info/vi/tx/c74756b036aca11bf1de71bdb19241dddb581628feafe3062fb84e7bb47937c4

Where do you get all the data?

This question has been asked again and again since the beginning, and OP never answered it...

So in shorts words, they invent the data and they can manipulate it.

gg

I bet and won but I still not get back my profit .
https://blockchain.info/vi/tx/04c10c6b51509df0b1b10425e7674e187e8ead6fc6278412ee0f58805b62ebaf
https://blockchain.info/vi/tx/bd7dabadead365e1ec66a69cbafcbf4e962c7059e9859ffb853fb1ad3028a189
http://imgh.us/Capture_141.jpg

Payouts are not instant anymore. Say thank you to the doublespend scammers.

You have a lot of nerve to call other people scammers when you are one yourself.

From the universe.

We're not scammers at all. And yes, we have strong nerves.

You stole people's money and called them donations. You are acting irresponsible and unethical. You are scammers.

This rule written on the main page.

No. It isn't. The only content on the "main page" is "Bets from 0.01 to 0.3 BTC". It doesn't say anything about seizing (donating) of funds, nor does it provide a warning before betting.

Not even mentioning the text is small on some browsers and may not be visible to everyone.

We don't recommend to play anyone who have a problem with amounts below 0.01 BTCs

So return the amount of Bitcoin accidentally sent by users who did not see the small notice.

This is a standard ethical approach for companies; one which you are not following. You specified before that you would return the funds, and now you have changed your mind.

The above messages sent by yourself should be a sign to all users... not to use UpDown.BT

And so we have absolutely no way to verify the prices and exchange rates...  :-\

im trying play in updown.bt in this frist time for me..
i dont know about minimal bet 0.01
i send 0.004, cant you return my bets..

Did the same thing. Didn't see the notice. He's calling bets under minimum "donations".

To say something like "I'm sorry but I get too many bets under .01 BTC so I have to keep it, and I'll donate it to charity" would be a lot better than "tough **** I'm keeping it and saying you donated it to me."

Updown is sketchy, PERIOD, especially after the sig campaign stuff they tried to pull.

Exactly! It's obviously done as a way for extra profit. They run a website that they themselves (apparently) programmed. A simple script to send back transactions sent under minimum automatically should be no problem to create programmatically.

I usually don't gamble like this but i saw it on the blockchain today and thought id give it a try. I like the site its fresh, simple and cool.

I looked at the whole site in under 2 minutes and fully understood the minimum bet and maximum and how to bet on a binary option.
I did bet on AUD rising so i set .1btc it was placed the instant i sent it and i could see it tracked on their website. As a bonus i won .175 and it was in my BTC account within the normal 10 block confirmation time i guess.

That seems normal to me so they can confirm it was not a fraudulent bet but as they say it does not disrupt actually placing the bet and it was all very streamline. So good luck to the devs and warning to noobs, read the site and understand what it is you are doing before you send money anywhere and your life will be much more pleasant!

NOTE TO OP: change the "payouts in 60 seconds" on this thread please it is misleading, i can however understand why you havent been back here with some of the tardness that has drenched the thread!

i not see that.. because TOO SMALL NOTICE!!!

Donations was used the right way — service got an improvement and now all the bets that are below minimal will be returned with miner's fee deducted.

Unfortunately we didn't become a billionaires with this "below minimal bets". Overall amount of this bets is smaller than 0.5 btc. Now all the bets that are below minimum will be returned with miner's fee deducted.

I'll be looking forward to it.
https://blockchain.info/tx/7821d454e987a359c26b548141e6687ea66b94dc13795b1a73ccfc8aff29e0da

its a nice looking web site.. too bad you couldn't pay all of your sig campaigners to keep it going.. my apologies if you have...

Obviously it related only to bets made after this functional was released. We don't want to deal with any former transactions.

We've started an affiliate campaign with daily payouts and 50% revenue sharing. More details can be found there: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=736039.0 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=736039.0)

You have got to be kidding me. Your business practices are a joke.

I spend more electricity to write those replies than money you are discussing here. )

We're not interested in sig campaigns anymore, but we started an affiliate campaign that much more interesting for us and hope for our further affiliates.

He's not interested in sig campaigns anymore...because he stiffed us for a while, pissed everyone off, finally caved and paid us, and wants to brush it all under the rug.  I'd advise anyone thinking of doing business with him to think about what type of proof you'll have when he claims that your referrals only bet x amount, how can you prove they bet 2x?  Answer-you can't so I'd be careful.

I understand it is not a lot of money, but it is not your money to decide on.

This is also about your ethics, which seem to be absent.

Though I never participated in your campaign, u created a great hype when Ritz was there. If u ended up paying everyone properly, u could enjoy some free promotion FXO received from us. Not sure, why u made a fight for less than 1 BTC, because it seems that amount is dust for u.

Good point, making such a big deal over paying out the sig campaign of 1 BTC, but then acts like he's got so much BTC lying around.  Something doesn't match up...

I want to send you this BTCs just to save electricity, we have some maintenance right now, but after that we will send you

I'm happy for FXO and hope they will get better perfomance with signature campaign. Now we're interested in affiliates.

That does not justify to have unpaid sig campaigners. Moreover, I wonder, whether any sig campaigner will wear affiliates as there is no real way to verify their earning. Affiliate owner can always cheat.

What means no real way? You can see your separate wallet and transactions in blockchain.

Your site dicked me.  Won a bet but only got 0.01 back.


https://blockchain.info/tx/2c2212cc26f1f67985a13fa518c70fed39792ec5465899fbc622c105f78f05d6 (https://blockchain.info/tx/2c2265cc26f1f67985a13fa518c70fed39792ec5443899fbc622c105f78f05d4)

http://i61.tinypic.com/330dahd.jpg


http://i58.tinypic.com/1zh2ty0.jpg

That is only when u accept that someone has joined your site through one's affiliate link. But, how does one know that it'll be accepted always except for blindly trusting u ?

Money was been returned.

Please, pay some attention to our offer. We don't provide any links. We give you a block, or several blocks from our website, that you should embed in iframe. Your blocks will have different set of wallet IDs — so you can track all the bets coming to your blocks, all payouts, etc. Everything is very transparent — like having your own updown.bt.

According to TX ID your bet was Up on Planes when value was 6401, minute after it was 6391 so you loose and received our loose confirmation transaction.

My bet is the second one on the list, I know what I bet.  I know that I won.  How are you saying that the bet was different when the site very clearly shows a win.

Check address on your transaction ID — your bet was sent to "Planes in the Air" Up address, and second winning bet made on gold.

We want to announce that few new instruments are coming soon — S&P 500 and Nikkei 225 indices and we're sure you will enjoy it.

We're still looking for affiliates to our bitcoin only affiliate campaign with most transparent conditions ever — you can see all the transaction from the referred clients, read more: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=736039.0 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=736039.0) 

I'd like to be able to put in a bet for higher or lower or s&p for the whole day.  Like will it end the day positive or negative.  The short time frame you allow betting on makes it too random.

I'd like to report a bug.

Your system will miss transactions / bets when the site says "processing" which is within seconds of a block solve.

I have 9 so far that have not been processed on the system and have received no payments back.  This is a total of 2 BTC that was played but NOTHING came back and they never showed up on the website.

TXs:
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If you could PLEASE go back through all your recent (7 days) worth of transactions and verify that the bets were placed and processed that would be very kind and responsible of you.

Thank you.

Looking on it.

First transaction was loose one, here goes a transaction id for 0.0001 BTCs sent back to you: https://blockchain.info/ru/tx-index/62392512
 (https://blockchain.info/ru/tx-index/62392512)
3,4,5 was loose ones as well, 6 —  https://blockchain.info/ru/tx-index/62150671 (https://blockchain.info/ru/tx-index/62150671)

The only reason I can assume — you used one of the "shared" web wallets or your wallet on any bitcoin market.

Thank you.

It seems like something in your code is a blocking operation when a block is solved and is causing bets and/or payments to be missed.

I also noticed that a bet will sit their after the 60 seconds with a "processing" status that stayed that way for over 30 seconds, making it about a 90 second game instead of 60.  This also happens when a block is solved.

Just an observation...might want to check into this.

I second this! There needs to be more timeframes!

Have anyone still playing on this site?

Processing status doesn't matter at all — it's just a time needed by website to show results, but all the results calculated strictly 60 seconds after the bet was made.

Our upper limit  for the bets have been lifted to 0.5BTC to make our big players a bit happier.

Wont happen! Bucketshops like this wont ever give more than 60 second trades. Why? Because with 60second options have the highest likelihood of loosing vs 5/15 minute to 1h/1d.

Be patient. We're working on more time-frames )

Yep, we're growing up.

How about a new promotion?

Why do I loose when the starting value is equal to the value after 60seconds ? While using "regular" binary options broker you neither loose or win in this situation (you get your investment back)

There have been some opinions related to this long time ago (check the post quoted), but updown hasn't changed how it works at all.

New instruments Bull, Bear and US500 released today.

Bull and Bear is a synthetic instruments. Bull is a trend that growth 80% of the time, Bear price is falling down 80% percents of the time.

US 500 is a classical instrument based on US top 500 companies index price.

Hope you will enjoy it.

Forgot to let you know that now we have a live chat between players on our website, so now it's so easy to troll each other during the game.

Clients' money security is our main priority, so when we will be ready to release solution we can be sure in, we will do it. Regarding different timeframes — it much easier for us and hope you will be able to try it very soon.

Please be advised.
All games appear to be frozen. 
Several Dozen transactions have been sent to this site, but none have been placed or payed in the last 18 hours.
Please fix soon and return the bets to the source addresses.

Thank you.

Yup.  No payout.  No word.  No Nothing.  Maybe the power is out in Russia?   Bad Putin, 

Pay up bra.

So 20% the bull market falls within a minute? To me it seems like 1 in 25 seconds it falls. It is interesting to watch.

All transactions should be processed few minutes after website waken up. So if some of transactions stuck, PM me, we will check

It's been an hour, still nothing.  Please check ALL your addresses and return all bets to the source address they came from.
I say return because ALL casinos says 'game void if this machine malfunctions' or something to that effect, in which they PAY YOU BACK instead of keeping your money.

Thank you.

I was on of the first members claiming that these guys would stop providing their and left their signature campaign without even getting paid or trying to get paid because i had a feeling they were not really who they seem.


Stay Clear of these Probable scams

Regards

Duke

Thank you for the Giveaway! Got mine just now
https://blockchain.info/tx-index/b85c237445f4a6775dbc65bb76672182f6ba81b80b4f7ab0d89c036da1e33d1c

It seems MultiBit is having some issues with the site, this is why my bets didn't come back. I contacted them on bitmessage and got everything sorted out :)!

Thank you

No worries. Next just PM me with IDs of transactions, maybe there are some technical failure there, so usually after checking of IDs we're sending all transactions that was stuck on the server back to the trader.

You damn right. We're aliens actually, greedy aliens who came on Earth to build nice binary options website that accepts only Bitcoin.

Your very very smart.
I am just a stupid human who wants to be paid what is promised.

So if your intelligent and efficient why dont you surprise my wallet with a payment plus a bonus ??

You wouldnt be smart enough to check your list, locate my btc address and pay me what is owed ? Now would you ???

Regards

Duke

You've had no signature 3 days before the end of the campaign. That's against rules. Everybody who kept their signature received payments.

Your transactions + miners fee was been returned. Pls check.

Confirmed.  Thank you very much for paying those back.

Your site is frozen again tho....might want to check it.

We're getting some alerts on this. And we're working on a completely new infrastructure, so bets processing will be even better soon.

This certainly is interesting isn't it?  Time stamp on the top 3 bets is all 08:41:45 yet there is a 13 digit difference between 1 and 3.  Corresponding number on the screen was 6520  the whole time.  Is that why there is a difference of almost 300 between your site and Flight radar?  So you can manipulate the data? Guess it's easy with that much spread.  Scam scam and scam. And captain obvious at that.


http://i58.tinypic.com/24wftvq.png

We're not manipulating the data. We will check this transactions IDs and respond.

So...what are we betting on exactly?  

White Noise? Planes in the air? Bull/Bear? Random walk?  ;D

I understand the price of Gold and everything, but I'm not sure I understand...

Payouts are good though.

Just thought I would check on this.  It's been DAYS and there's no response to anything.  You are scammers.  None of your data matches up to the rest of the world. You will not disclose the source of your information.  Too bad that such a cool site is run by crooks.  Have fun stealing.

For the rest of the world:


Scammer Warning!  Stay Away

We're updating the data 3 times per second on the front-end, so if some value was been changed during the second, it will appears at the same second change.

Anybody here constantly use their site? Any issues with the executions or are they delayed by seconds,minutes,hours?

SO Updown are you going to refund my bets from some months back as you decline to anwser any emails sent or support on here



so please fix as you inboxed me saying will take a look at it yet you have not fixed or repaid compensated or even refunded or given any detials

Be accurate: we have changed betting addresses and finally moved our infrastructure to a new, better hosting. It was a quite urgent, so we was unable to notify you in advance. Please update your bookmarks!

I don't understand all of this messages, so please can you give me details of the case briefly and transactions IDs as well in PM so we will check and refund if it's necessary.

This is one of the transactions. This was ment to of been win and didnt pay out.

https://blockchain.info/tx/0cff4a380b47440a42620a347462991622421ffd23af5eec452fb3eb3bc9f5d5

Findig the rest is going to take me some time due to the fact of how active I am on my account

Also in the post is pictures of times and dates of deposits played on game all deposits and games played where mostly from address 1CrazyZmpo9cp4yJ6i1ZyG5ou5VvHjRUQz to your addresses. so you should have enough infomation with my detials posts about deposits and times and dates to games played and not worked and should of won but in fact didnt

Checking

Oh, wow, 2nd copycats arrived (now they are stole our transactions panel as it is). But I'm afraid anyone offering LTC/USD binary options just because it's very easy to manipulate the price in terms of minute there with not so big amounts of money, so the only way to be profitable is to manipulate the data there. That's why we're not offering those kind of instruments to the public.

This transaction didn't won and you even received 0.0001 back confirmation of this, that can be seen on blockchain.

We've made a special charity giveaway this month. All of our thursday's profits not exceeding 5 BTC will be sent to seansoutpost.com (http://seansoutpost.com).

Well maybe you should read what I sid because when I put it on and it ended it should of been win not lose and i seen with my own eyes for the timer to stop and then it changed just after the time had stopped and classed it as a loss. I do not think I will be playing here again in the future as Their was several instances of this and their many more customers on other topics where had all the same problems and yet get same response or no response at all.

 I will take it as a loss and not play here again as their was several times where it had shown that it was clearly a win and after time ran out updates just after and also figures changed so some delays in  your system and shown should of been win and not lose.

and not forgetting the  2 bets with problems previously said.

17:50:19 1C6NPceh… NZD/USD
 0.02 0.85545 ↑ lose: 0.85544

When this close it was 0.885546 So I should of won but it said previous number when 0.085546 was their on last sec and also went up one or 2 number when it closed and said I lost yet it was a win.

Total winnings to be paid 0.035 BTC or refund transaction of 0.02


2nd bet

18:08:39 1CrazyZm… Gold
 0.04 1305.96 ↑ lose: 1305.96 how is this a loss It should be a bump or even thus paying back what I bet and again  this bet was done and it went up then system halted and went up again yet saying it was a loss when their was time remaining and above and gone up.

Total winnings to be paid 0.0875 BTC or to refund original transaction of 0.04 BTC


Also I have seen this happen on 3 other bets with peoples bets such as one of the following.

18:25:26 1CiA7yxg… AUD/USD
 0.014 0.92387 ↑ lose: 0.92387

If this is a tie when numbers are even like example black jack house has 17 you also have 17 its classed as tie so house pays your bet back because its nether a win or lose but tie. This should be in effect too with your system because if one bets up or down and still results same numbers coming out then its tie and not loss or win but tie and best amount should be paid back.

This has happened on one of my bets but the other bets I would like some answers to why your system is locking up on bets and numbers gone up and should be a win yet system locked up and then numbers went up and I didn't get paid on it

MINIMUM 0.01 btc is a  lot for any new member to try your site . Goodluck .

Front end may have some delays, backend — not. After bet processing was made we show actual time and quote, so you can check it with other sources to be sure we're not manipulate the data.

Also we plan to introduce more timeframes soon for those ones who afraid to bet on 60s options.

wow !! congratulation !!
trading number is above 240000..

great.

PLEASE YOU JUST TAKING PEOPLES BITCOIN, I MADE A BET AND 3 HOURS LATER ,AND I STILL HAVEN'T RECEIVED YOUR MICRO TRANSACTION AND I KNOW I WON SO HOW ARE YOU GOING TO REWARD ME

1P3sbG1tjg6dgu43buy1mVHhXLrm6mcVip

Hello,

A few minutes ago I won on

03:33:11 15f9B2Q6… NZD/USD

there was 0.27 bet, you state the system is instant. when i'll receive my winnings

https://blockchain.info/tx-index/c7d5dced336ce3ace33581672003eab3e1dd6f00c341d53a33fcbb5869aedea8

also your system even didn't send me 0,0001 for my lose here https://blockchain.info/tx-index/68398ca14590701f3db6e759ff21c3319e9946a76cf9ae3c019dd3a7f174edae

can you fix it please

hi updown
i have question
how get gold price?

I trade on binary option with http://platinumtrader.com/ and I am earning well so far.

I am surprised this website is this dead.

What was is that killed it? The delays?

Seems to The owner of this site do not have programming skills..
No appearance improve system
And feedback for the bug too late
I do not know what owner doing ???

you can have your answers by checking their activity and trust and more likely they abondoned the site coz last login is October

So this site is dead right?

all this money advertising and for a gold bitcoin.org partnership went straight into the trash.