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Title: Has The Bitcoin Foundation lost its fuckin' mind...
Post by: Phinnaeus Gage on May 02, 2014, 08:06:46 PM
http://www.coindesk.com/bitcoin-foundation-vote-yields-no-new-board-members/

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Bobby Lee, 44
Brock Pierce, 34
Vinny Lingham, 21
Luke Dashjr, 13
Frank Schuil, 12
Jon Holmquist, 12
Jason Tyra, 9
None of the above, 7
Andres Bzurovski, 7
John McDonnell, 6
Clint Ditto, 3
Vytautas Karalevičius, 3
Leon Li, 3
Mohammad Mufti, 2
Henryk Dabrowski, 2
Jay Yeom, 1

...or have they opted to not do their due diligence when they included Brock Pierce on the list?

They already lost two members due to scandals, one of which I love, while the other is French. Now, they're buckin' for adding another to their venerable org covered with taint (double-entendre intended).


Title: Re: Has The Bitcoin Foundation lost its fuckin' mind...
Post by: bitcatch on May 02, 2014, 08:11:34 PM
I don't know who is Brock Pierce, but having Bobby Lee leading the list, I tend to agree with you


Title: Re: Has The Bitcoin Foundation lost its fuckin' mind...
Post by: Lethn on May 02, 2014, 09:03:17 PM
As far as I'm concerned the Bitcoin Foundation is irrelevant, they only have their name to make people think they are something to do with Bitcoin, it's a bit like how the Federal Reserve uses the word 'Federal' to make people think they're part of the government. Speaking as someone who holds to mainly Anarchist beliefs, they can fuck off, I can see exactly what they're trying to do and they're trying to make some kind of centralised company or group for Bitcoin itself, I'm grateful the devs don't really seem to give a shit and continue to release the code open source.


Title: Re: Has The Bitcoin Foundation lost its fuckin' mind...
Post by: jc01480 on May 02, 2014, 09:11:15 PM
^what he said.


Title: Re: Has The Bitcoin Foundation lost its fuckin' mind...
Post by: hlynur on May 02, 2014, 10:13:08 PM
Brock Pierce....

-> https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=590970.0

thanks phinnaeus for putting the links together.
worked through sources for two hours and after doing more research on pierce's past (esp DEN case)
i really despise seeing bitcoin foundation in any way related to this guy.

also found this:
http://virtuallyblind.com/2008/01/30/ige-pierce-debonneville-complaint/

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Lawsuit Against IGE Founder Brock Pierce Alleges Underhanded Dealing at Virtual Property Company


Title: Re: Has The Bitcoin Foundation lost its fuckin' mind...
Post by: Velkro on May 02, 2014, 10:22:18 PM
dont care really about this foundation, it doesnt matter what they do


Title: Re: Has The Bitcoin Foundation lost its fuckin' mind...
Post by: professorXY on May 02, 2014, 10:53:07 PM
who gives a shit what they do? dont ever think about this foundation


Title: Re: Has The Bitcoin Foundation lost its fuckin' mind...
Post by: tzortz on May 02, 2014, 10:59:46 PM
Phinnaeus, wasnt it you that said you would quit from this forum, or am I wrong?


Title: Re: Has The Bitcoin Foundation lost its fuckin' mind...
Post by: Carlton Banks on May 03, 2014, 12:29:54 AM
Maybe Brock Pierce could give his side of the story (as well as all the other stories) to a budding investigative reporter at bitcoin2014 in Amsterdam, he will be there apparently. Gotta say, it looks pretty bad from where I'm sitting.


Title: Re: Has The Bitcoin Foundation lost its fuckin' mind...
Post by: solex on May 03, 2014, 12:35:12 AM
I really think that the BF should ask prospective board members to disclose any lawsuits they are defending. Unless it is for something like an unpaid speeding ticket then the candidate should be asked to withdraw until their legal matters are settled.


Title: Re: Has The Bitcoin Foundation lost its fuckin' mind...
Post by: tins on May 03, 2014, 12:37:22 AM

What is the situation regarding Mr. Pierce?


Title: Re: Has The Bitcoin Foundation lost its fuckin' mind...
Post by: bg002h on May 03, 2014, 02:32:13 AM
As chair of the election committee, I can assure you the "foundation" had nothing to do with the results. The results are soley a product of the desires of the 102 industry members that voted. But, you don't need to trust me. Everyone who voted has proof that their ballot wasn't modified...the voters could fully audit the election themselves...by design.

I don't know Brock Pierce, but of course I know _of_ him. You'd have to have had your head in the sand not to.


Title: Re: Has The Bitcoin Foundation lost its fuckin' mind...
Post by: Jcw188 on May 03, 2014, 02:58:45 AM
It's funny I've always heard of this foundation but I assumed they Had something to do with bitcoin in terms of PR but I had no idea what they did. And I still don't know. I take it that the debs can do their own thing so I guess prior posters are right maybe we can just ignore them?  Sounds like the members can just bribe voters to get elected.


Title: Re: Has The Bitcoin Foundation lost its fuckin' mind...
Post by: Taras on May 03, 2014, 03:02:53 AM
Why do we need a foundation?
We need a distributed organization in front of a distributed enterprise.


Title: Re: Has The Bitcoin Foundation lost its fuckin' mind...
Post by: hlynur on May 03, 2014, 03:50:10 AM

What is the situation regarding Mr. Pierce?

first have some tabloid articles around the whole DEN case:
http://boingboing.net/2007/11/15/goldfarming-empire-l.html

a capture of the mentioned radar magazine article Nov 2007 covering the connection between Collins-Rector and Pierce's former company IGE:
http://web.archive.org/web/20080418073324/http://www.radaronline.com/from-the-magazine/2007/11/den_chads_world_marc_collins_rector_1-print.php

http://www.buzzfeed.com/hunterschwarz/mystery-man-at-center-of-alleged-hollywood-sex-ring-has-vani
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/bryan-singer-sex-abuse-case-699828

two wired articles on Pierce's career as a whole, DEN case is only briefly touched:
Part 1 "A Drive Through Laurel Canyon With Brock Pierce"
http://archive.wired.com/gaming/virtualworlds/magazine/16-12/ff_ige_pierce
Part 2 "The Decline and Fall of an Ultra Rich Online Gaming Empire"
http://archive.wired.com/gaming/virtualworlds/magazine/16-12/ff_ige?currentPage=all
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Debonneville's court filings, meanwhile, revealed that the year before, Pierce had told him that Collins-Rector was blackmailing him, threatening to snarl IGE in litigation that would make it unattractive to investors.

as always take all of this with a grain of salt.

On a second thought i'm not sure what to make of this and if Pierce is still connected with Marc Collins-Rector today.
Regarding the fact that he began working for him at the age of 17 i have to say that i've seen a lot of people bumping into the wrong person during their early lifes.
One has to consider it often takes a long time to shake off the aftermath of these bad influences.
I'm still undecided if this is the case here.
Nevertheless Pierce seems like a dodgy character to me (as many other people involved in btc economy).


Title: Re: Has The Bitcoin Foundation lost its fuckin' mind...
Post by: Phinnaeus Gage on May 03, 2014, 04:34:27 AM
As chair of the election committee, I can assure you the "foundation" had nothing to do with the results. The results are soley a product of the desires of the 102 industry members that voted. But, you don't need to trust me. Everyone who voted has proof that their ballot wasn't modified...the voters could fully audit the election themselves...by design.

I don't know Brock Pierce, but of course I know _of_ him. You'd have to have had your head in the sand not to.

I'm not questioning the results. I'm questioning as to why he was on the ballot in the first place. As far the latter comment is concern, prior to me posting about Brock Pierce, there were less than a half dozen mentions of his name on this forum, chiefly in mundane posts.


Title: Re: Has The Bitcoin Foundation lost its fuckin' mind...
Post by: Phinnaeus Gage on May 03, 2014, 04:48:39 AM

What is the situation regarding Mr. Pierce?

first have some tabloid articles around the whole DEN case:
http://boingboing.net/2007/11/15/goldfarming-empire-l.html

a capture of the mentioned radar magazine article Nov 2007 covering the connection between Collins-Rector and Pierce's former company IGE:
http://web.archive.org/web/20080418073324/http://www.radaronline.com/from-the-magazine/2007/11/den_chads_world_marc_collins_rector_1-print.php

http://www.buzzfeed.com/hunterschwarz/mystery-man-at-center-of-alleged-hollywood-sex-ring-has-vani
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/bryan-singer-sex-abuse-case-699828

two wired articles on Pierce's career as a whole, DEN case is only briefly touched:
Part 1 "A Drive Through Laurel Canyon With Brock Pierce"
http://archive.wired.com/gaming/virtualworlds/magazine/16-12/ff_ige_pierce
Part 2 "The Decline and Fall of an Ultra Rich Online Gaming Empire"
http://archive.wired.com/gaming/virtualworlds/magazine/16-12/ff_ige?currentPage=all
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Debonneville's court filings, meanwhile, revealed that the year before, Pierce had told him that Collins-Rector was blackmailing him, threatening to snarl IGE in litigation that would make it unattractive to investors.

as always take all of this with a grain of salt.

On a second thought i'm not sure what to make of this and if Pierce is still connected with Marc Collins-Rector today.
Regarding the fact that he began working for him at the age of 17 i have to say that i've seen a lot of people bumping into the wrong person during their early lifes.
One has to consider it often takes a long time to shake off the aftermath of these bad influences.
I'm still undecided if this is the case here.
Nevertheless Pierce seems like a dodgy character to me (as many other people involved in btc economy).

Would it surprise you to learnt he took on Marc Collins-Rector's last name?

https://farm3.staticflickr.com/2938/14073959121_48a613d425_b.jpg

The following is from https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=288566314629064&set=a.104915189660845.12039.100004270929990&type=1&theater dated Wednesday, February 19, 2014 at 9:33pm.

https://farm3.staticflickr.com/2896/14090417731_e9c90c551f_b.jpg

https://farm3.staticflickr.com/2907/13890145029_c8a7d97090_b.jpg

https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5039/13889978638_e2e48356ee_z.jpg


Title: Re: Has The Bitcoin Foundation lost its fuckin' mind...
Post by: hlynur on May 03, 2014, 05:05:39 AM

What is the situation regarding Mr. Pierce?

first have some tabloid articles around the whole DEN case:
http://boingboing.net/2007/11/15/goldfarming-empire-l.html

a capture of the mentioned radar magazine article Nov 2007 covering the connection between Collins-Rector and Pierce's former company IGE:
http://web.archive.org/web/20080418073324/http://www.radaronline.com/from-the-magazine/2007/11/den_chads_world_marc_collins_rector_1-print.php

http://www.buzzfeed.com/hunterschwarz/mystery-man-at-center-of-alleged-hollywood-sex-ring-has-vani
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/bryan-singer-sex-abuse-case-699828

two wired articles on Pierce's career as a whole, DEN case is only briefly touched:
Part 1 "A Drive Through Laurel Canyon With Brock Pierce"
http://archive.wired.com/gaming/virtualworlds/magazine/16-12/ff_ige_pierce
Part 2 "The Decline and Fall of an Ultra Rich Online Gaming Empire"
http://archive.wired.com/gaming/virtualworlds/magazine/16-12/ff_ige?currentPage=all
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Debonneville's court filings, meanwhile, revealed that the year before, Pierce had told him that Collins-Rector was blackmailing him, threatening to snarl IGE in litigation that would make it unattractive to investors.

as always take all of this with a grain of salt.

On a second thought i'm not sure what to make of this and if Pierce is still connected with Marc Collins-Rector today.
Regarding the fact that he began working for him at the age of 17 i have to say that i've seen a lot of people bumping into the wrong person during their early lifes.
One has to consider it often takes a long time to shake off the aftermath of these bad influences.
I'm still undecided if this is the case here.
Nevertheless Pierce seems like a dodgy character to me (as many other people involved in btc economy).

Would it surprise to learn he took on Marc Collins-Rector's last name?

https://farm3.staticflickr.com/2938/14073959121_48a613d425_b.jpg


yea after rereading your other thread, esp. the timestamps of both facebook profiles it's obvious now. (7am here, fatigue starting to get me)

i still don't understand why they would even publicly communicate via fb.
Just imagining someone like Collins-Rector having direct/indirect influence in bitcoin gives me the creeps.


Title: Re: Has The Bitcoin Foundation lost its fuckin' mind...
Post by: waldox on May 03, 2014, 07:02:59 AM
Bitcoin Foundation is not relevant

whats relevant is the wallets and mining software that runs the bitcoin nodes

those are the real votes on the bitcoin network


Title: Re: Has The Bitcoin Foundation lost its fuckin' mind...
Post by: BunsenBurner on May 03, 2014, 07:05:01 AM
Bitcoin Foundation is not relevant

whats relevant is the wallets and mining software that runs the bitcoin nodes

those are the real votes on the bitcoin network

Mining software? Isn't the mining hardware (hashrate) way more important?


Title: Re: Has The Bitcoin Foundation lost its fuckin' mind...
Post by: grahvity on May 03, 2014, 07:24:48 AM
When yet another person asks, "Why is the price going down?" I'm pointing to this thread.


Title: Re: Has The Bitcoin Foundation lost its fuckin' mind...
Post by: keithers on May 03, 2014, 07:34:10 AM
I really think that the BF should ask prospective board members to disclose any lawsuits they are defending. Unless it is for something like an unpaid speeding ticket then the candidate should be asked to withdraw until their legal matters are settled.


I think it would be pretty irresponsible to not do a thorough background check on each prospective member.


Title: Re: Has The Bitcoin Foundation lost its fuckin' mind...
Post by: Bit_Happy on May 03, 2014, 07:37:37 AM
Bitcoin Foundation is not relevant

whats relevant is the wallets and mining software that runs the bitcoin nodes

those are the real votes on the bitcoin network

The Bitcoin Foundation is currently paying Gavin a salary, so they are relevant since he has control over changes to the code.


Title: Re: Has The Bitcoin Foundation lost its fuckin' mind...
Post by: Bit_Happy on May 03, 2014, 07:54:32 AM
I really think that the BF should ask prospective board members to disclose any lawsuits they are defending. Unless it is for something like an unpaid speeding ticket then the candidate should be asked to withdraw until their legal matters are settled.


I think it would be pretty irresponsible to not do a thorough background check on each prospective member.

A thorough background check
I did some checking and there is little (if any) doubt that Brock Pierce:

1) Repeatedly starts (and helps to start) companies that lose many millions of investor funds.
2) Allegedly cheated a partner for a huge sum in a stock deal.
3a) Left the country when he knew some "wild parties" had gone way too far.
3b) Was sued for child rape by more than one (alleged) victim.

I think the above is reasonably accurate, the sources are (relatively) easy to find on google and in current threads here.

To be fair, in a recent video Brock Pierce seemed like a great spokesperson for Bitcoin.
If the world is ready to completely forgive "thieves and (alleged) pedos", then he's the perfect man to help lead BTC into the future.


Title: Re: Has The Bitcoin Foundation lost its fuckin' mind...
Post by: Phinnaeus Gage on May 03, 2014, 08:26:08 AM
I really think that the BF should ask prospective board members to disclose any lawsuits they are defending. Unless it is for something like an unpaid speeding ticket then the candidate should be asked to withdraw until their legal matters are settled.


I think it would be pretty irresponsible to not do a thorough background check on each prospective member.

A thorough background check
I did some checking and there is little (if any) doubt that Brock Pierce:

1) Repeatedly starts (and helps to start) companies that lose many millions of investor funds.
2) Allegedly cheated a partner for a huge sum in a stock deal.
3a) Left the country when he knew some "wild parties" had gone way too far.
3b) Was sued for child rape by more than one (alleged) victim.

I think the above is reasonably accurate, the sources are (relatively) easy to find on google and in current threads here.

To be fair, in a recent video Brock Pierce seemed like a great spokesperson for Bitcoin.
If the world is ready to completely forgive "thieves and (alleged) pedos", then he's the perfect man to help lead BTC into the future.

In re. the latter part, you're asking the same community to lend a blind eye that kicked Bruce Wagner to the curb, justifiable or not, for only penning ONCE about a three-prong attack involving two adults and an underage boy. What you penned above the fold is much more serious.


Title: Re: Has The Bitcoin Foundation lost its fuckin' mind...
Post by: Mrrr on May 03, 2014, 08:35:33 AM
I see historical parallels here:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/02/02/libyan-leader-gaddafi-ele_n_163071.html

EDIT: as the above is easily misinterpreted I realize now; OPs title should say 'bitcoin industry' rather than 'foundation'. Since what he perceives as a problematic outcome is ultimately the responsibility of the electorate.


Title: Re: Has The Bitcoin Foundation lost its fuckin' mind...
Post by: BitCoinDream on May 03, 2014, 08:37:27 AM
Have you ever paid to the foundation Bruno ? Otherwise I dont get a point to talk about them.


Title: Re: Has The Bitcoin Foundation lost its fuckin' mind...
Post by: Phinnaeus Gage on May 03, 2014, 08:54:54 AM
Have you ever paid to the foundation Bruno ? Otherwise I dont get a point to talk about them.

https://members.bitcoinfoundation.org/current

Search for Bruno Kucinskas.


Title: Re: Has The Bitcoin Foundation lost its fuckin' mind...
Post by: Bit_Happy on May 03, 2014, 08:55:34 AM
I always thought Bruce Wagner went away because everyone knew he was a thief, but I wasn't following it closely.



In re. the latter part, you're asking the same community to lend a blind eye....

If wasn't "personally asking", it was just an if, but I understand your point.


Title: Re: Has The Bitcoin Foundation lost its fuckin' mind...
Post by: Phinnaeus Gage on May 03, 2014, 09:05:03 AM
I always thought Bruce Wagner went away because everyone knew he was a thief, but I wasn't following it closely.



In re. the latter part, you're asking the same community to lend a blind eye....

If wasn't "personally asking", it was just an if, but I understand your point.


Let's see if we can nail this coffin shut with...

Disturbing new internet child abuse sees toddlers raped and burned live on webcam as paedophiles use Bitcoin to stop being traced, warns police chief (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2609971/Disturbing-new-internet-child-abuse-sees-toddlers-raped-burned-live-webcam-paedophiles-use-Bitcoin-stop-traced-warns-police-chief.html)

...and, The Bitcoin Foundation, with its college-educated board members, thought it prudent to include a once accused paedo- on the list of candidates to be voted on to fill one of the empty board member seats vacated by an accused thief and Silk Road user, with apologies to Charlie Shrem.

Madness!


Title: Re: Has The Bitcoin Foundation lost its fuckin' mind...
Post by: yantis on May 03, 2014, 09:32:02 AM
Truth from a long time friend, enemy, business partner & competitor:

Pretty amazing the amount of damage someone can do with some fake facebook accounts. I have to wonder what the agenda is here and if it has something to do with the Bitcoin Foundations elections...or worse someone trying to hurt Bitcoin as Brock is one of the most outspoken people in the Bitcoin space.

I clicked on Brock's timeline on his real facebook for the supposed above dates and he was in Los Angeles, California and not in Spain. Don't let someone troll you with fake facebook accounts.
Instead of reading all this made up crap and coming up with a bad opinion I suggest you reach out to him and talk to him yourself.

The true facts are pretty simple:
- Brock was associated with Rector when he was a teenager. I don't know any details. I personally think he was a victim. He has never mentioned it and I don't bring it up.
- Think about this one: Brock was my #1 competitor. If I could have used it against him I probably would have if there was something to use.
- Most everything is about money. People sue and make stuff up to try to get you to pay something. Sadly this is how it is.
- If you noticed on the lawsuit on his partners suing Brock for cheating his partners I took no part of because it was mostly lies.
- Brock makes more money for his investors that you know. He might fail in 3 out of 4 of his companies but that fourth one makes so much money for his investors which is why they keep investing in them.
- People get fired from businesses which why you only hear their side of the story and its always negative.
- I can also guarantee you without a doubt is Brock is a lover of women (so much that I fear that it keeps getting him into trouble).

From someone who knows all the facts. There is some agenda being played out here. What a better way to take one of Bitcoin's star advocates and link him to Paedophilia. This is FUD in the worst possible way. :-*


Title: Re: Has The Bitcoin Foundation lost its fuckin' mind...
Post by: BitCoinDream on May 03, 2014, 10:22:03 AM
Have you ever paid to the foundation Bruno ? Otherwise I dont get a point to talk about them.

https://members.bitcoinfoundation.org/current

Search for Bruno Kucinskas.

LoLz... probably that is the reason u r so concerned about this organization. Probably most of the bitcoiners are not :D


Title: Re: Has The Bitcoin Foundation lost its fuckin' mind...
Post by: Phinnaeus Gage on May 03, 2014, 10:58:09 AM
Truth from a long time friend, enemy, business partner & competitor:

Pretty amazing the amount of damage someone can do with some fake facebook accounts. I have to wonder what the agenda is here and if it has something to do with the Bitcoin Foundations elections...or worse someone trying to hurt Bitcoin as Brock is one of the most outspoken people in the Bitcoin space.

I clicked on Brock's timeline on his real facebook for the supposed above dates and he was in Los Angeles, California and not in Spain. Don't let someone troll you with fake facebook accounts.
Instead of reading all this made up crap and coming up with a bad opinion I suggest you reach out to him and talk to him yourself.

The true facts are pretty simple:
- Brock was associated with Rector when he was a teenager. I don't know any details. I personally think he was a victim. He has never mentioned it and I don't bring it up.
- Think about this one: Brock was my #1 competitor. If I could have used it against him I probably would have if there was something to use.
- Most everything is about money. People sue and make stuff up to try to get you to pay something. Sadly this is how it is.
- If you noticed on the lawsuit on his partners suing Brock for cheating his partners I took no part of because it was mostly lies.
- Brock makes more money for his investors that you know. He might fail in 3 out of 4 of his companies but that fourth one makes so much money for his investors which is why they keep investing in them.
- People get fired from businesses which why you only hear their side of the story and its always negative.
- I can also guarantee you without a doubt is Brock is a lover of women (so much that I fear that it keeps getting him into trouble).

From someone who knows all the facts. There is some agenda being played out here. What a better way to take one of Bitcoin's star advocates and link him to Paedophilia. This is FUD in the worst possible way. :-*

I was wonder how long it'll take before you weighed in on the subject.

I gave these guys a call and they were very helpful and I would have to say Legit. Enough that I bought 100 units from them.

I bought 40 or so from them. Overall a smooth transaction and I received them when they said. They are still working today (though doubtful I am making anything from them). I would personally buy from them again based on my previous experience in June. (I didn't read this whole thread so I don't know if things have changed since then and I am just stating my experience for others).

I was pretty good in math during high school, thus I believe you're missing ~3 score Lancelots.

Also, I may or may not have seen pics contrary to your last bullet point, but even though I haven't been laid in a while, I still know what a woman looks like. I'm just saying. <Please, Jehovay, don't let me find out later that you put dicks on them bitches.>

Thats another one added to the ignore list. If you must know, I was selling $m's before I was 18, I've won multiple national awards for entrepreneurship and consulting and I'd walk straight through you if I thought you were anything but a worthless, jealous troll sitting behind a keyboard.

Care to explain your signature, if you've got so many millions?

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Paying for college: 15UhE4x7d1hD2o2YKCcdddzuhymsTKdeuz

Vycid -

I am not even sure I am bullish on Bitcoin let alone Bitcoin hardware =).  I would love to see you projections. You can email me at yantis@yantis.net or just PM me here. More likely than not I am wrong =). I tend to not assume I am right with anything.

I believe that there is a 10% chance that Bitcoin will succeed and a 90% chance it will fail. If it succeeds the gains will be unlike any other investment at values of 10k or even possibly 100k USD per BTC. Then again more than likely you will just lose all your money.

On Avalon: They are behind but soon in the next few months those chips will start hitting and then it takes time to build and all that. I think there is a 60 day to 120 day windows here. Rumor is they only sent 30 chips out instead of 10k to people (update: see post below on this). Today they did send out an update via email though which promising.

On BFL: They are over their head. I don't see them getting all these units out for at least 90 to 120 days if not more.

Bitfury:  I think this is a good bet. I preordered batch 1 units but again 60 to 90 days out.

KNCMiner: Up in the air still on these guys.

What worries me are the people not on the list. Stuff like the Coinlab secret mine and the the massive growth to networking power in the past 10 days that is unaccounted for and real ASIC (non Bitcoin) players getting into this space.

Today the smart move would simply be investing in Bitcoin and not in Bitcoin hardware and definitely don't invest in pre-orders. You probably don't want to keep a lot of hardware either and if you have a lot consider diversifying 50/50 into BTC/hardware.

For me with hardware its +/- 30% bet in the short term with all the BTC that gets made mining it just gets reinvested into more hardware.  I have a lot more confidence in hardware and what it can generate in the next 90 days vs just holding Bitcoin. So the plan is simple get hardware that can get back most of its cost in the next 90 days and make sure you have a pretty good idea what will happen over the next 90 days and all proceeds on the Bitcoin generated to go to buy more hardware for the next 90 day batch.

The bet here is that Bitcoin is going to succeed and at $10,000 or $100,000 a Bitcoin does it matter to much if you paid $70 or $130 for it.



Up in the air about KnC while all the while your partner, Brock Pierce, was secreting embracing them, culminating to a 7,000+ bitcoin mining rig facility at The Node Pole, with a couple more mega-pharms under construction.

And, I'm the one spreading fud.

Madness!



Title: Re: Has The Bitcoin Foundation lost its fuckin' mind...
Post by: hlynur on May 03, 2014, 11:15:17 AM
Is there already a wiki to collect information and sum up all the people (incl. their past career), companies and their connections in the bitcoin universe.?
If not it could really be helpful for the future to set one up...

A guy like Mark Lombardi (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Lombardi) would have a lot of fun with it.
imagine something like this (http://adamdavidmorton.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/Mark-Lombardi-1999-Oliver-North-Lake-Resources-of-Panama-and-the-Iran-Contra-Operation-ca.1984-86.jpg) on a website.



Title: Re: Has The Bitcoin Foundation lost its fuckin' mind...
Post by: yantis on May 03, 2014, 11:22:45 AM
Bruno K.: No way I am going to feed the trolls here. I have no doubt I would lose as anyone who reads these forums know that you are the King of Trolls =).

P.S: For fun on your posts on me (I know you spent a lot of time researching my posts to troll me so I will reply this one time).
- Black Arrow guys actually refunded 2/3rds of my money. So Kudos to them.
- Not sure what that second part is about. I can't even put it in context as I didn't write it.
- F*CK KnCMiner

Also, just to take the high road here: I sent 10 BTC over to Sean's Outpost.
https://blockchain.info/tx/ffe9742f16126262f0b7f534d6d63a9c27d7ee77ff492427b3d45a7a4195ea9e


Title: Re: Has The Bitcoin Foundation lost its fuckin' mind...
Post by: bryant.coleman on May 03, 2014, 11:55:25 AM
I thought that Bobby Lee was a very good choice. He handled the situation in China in whatever way he could, even after facing enormous pressure from the Chinese dictatorship. Haven't heard much about Brock Pierce.


Title: Re: Has The Bitcoin Foundation lost its fuckin' mind...
Post by: renee25 on May 03, 2014, 12:09:32 PM
Phinnaeus, wasnt it you that said you would quit from this forum, or am I wrong?

"you simply don't quit bitcoin"

that said, bobby lee? the ltc guy, the one that can only repeat again and again

"I created litecoin to be silver to bitcoin gold, no premine, has 84 million bla bla bla


about the others, i still reading but why the yantis guy say f* kncminers when knc were one of the most reliable
and what connection they have with knc china?

is gox takeover the new neo-bee?


Title: Re: Has The Bitcoin Foundation lost its fuckin' mind...
Post by: Bit_Happy on May 03, 2014, 12:16:11 PM
Phinnaeus, wasnt it you that said you would quit from this forum, or am I wrong?

"you simply don't quit bitcoin"

that said, bobby lee? the ltc guy, the one that can only repeat again and again

"I created litecoin to be silver to bitcoin gold, no premine, has 84 million bla bla bla"

They are brothers:
Bobby Lee (I think) is the CEO of a Chinese exchange and his brother Charles Lee, a former Google employee, is the LTC guy.


Title: Re: Has The Bitcoin Foundation lost its fuckin' mind...
Post by: leopard2 on May 03, 2014, 03:09:57 PM


Disturbing new internet child abuse sees toddlers raped and burned live on webcam as paedophiles use Bitcoin to stop being traced, warns police chief (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2609971/Disturbing-new-internet-child-abuse-sees-toddlers-raped-burned-live-webcam-paedophiles-use-Bitcoin-stop-traced-warns-police-chief.html)


What a huge pile of horseshit that is. Here in the west there is no PBOC that can take care of the threat to fiat money, so the "system" has to use the media. And since childporn FUD is not strong enough, people read about that every day, it must be "enhanced" by burning toddlers. And BTC is to blame, wow such sincere journalism  :o

What is next on mainstream media? Aliens eating babies, paid with BTC?  :P


Title: Re: Has The Bitcoin Foundation lost its fuckin' mind...
Post by: bananas on May 03, 2014, 03:27:35 PM
 It is just a private group of scammers and other kind of criminals, as other poster said their group name is just to cause confusion. But it is worrying 'cause as far as i know core developers are founding members of such group. We can't let bitcoin development in their hands.

 


Title: Re: Has The Bitcoin Foundation lost its fuckin' mind...
Post by: tocoolforschool on May 03, 2014, 03:44:29 PM
to late!

Or people can just not use bitcoin-qt. Let the foundation play in their own bitcoin-qt only network.

It is just a private group of scammers and other kind of criminals, as other poster said their group name is just to cause confusion. But it is worrying 'cause as far as i know core developers are founding members of such group. We can't let bitcoin development in their hands.

 



Title: Re: Has The Bitcoin Foundation lost its fuckin' mind...
Post by: Phinnaeus Gage on May 03, 2014, 09:35:20 PM
Truth from a long time friend, enemy, business partner & competitor:

Pretty amazing the amount of damage someone can do with some fake facebook accounts. I have to wonder what the agenda is here and if it has something to do with the Bitcoin Foundations elections...or worse someone trying to hurt Bitcoin as Brock is one of the most outspoken people in the Bitcoin space.

I clicked on Brock's timeline on his real facebook for the supposed above dates and he was in Los Angeles, California and not in Spain. Don't let someone troll you with fake facebook accounts.
Instead of reading all this made up crap and coming up with a bad opinion I suggest you reach out to him and talk to him yourself.

The true facts are pretty simple:
- Brock was associated with Rector when he was a teenager. I don't know any details. I personally think he was a victim. He has never mentioned it and I don't bring it up.
- Think about this one: Brock was my #1 competitor. If I could have used it against him I probably would have if there was something to use.
- Most everything is about money. People sue and make stuff up to try to get you to pay something. Sadly this is how it is.
- If you noticed on the lawsuit on his partners suing Brock for cheating his partners I took no part of because it was mostly lies.
- Brock makes more money for his investors that you know. He might fail in 3 out of 4 of his companies but that fourth one makes so much money for his investors which is why they keep investing in them.
- People get fired from businesses which why you only hear their side of the story and its always negative.
- I can also guarantee you without a doubt is Brock is a lover of women (so much that I fear that it keeps getting him into trouble).

From someone who knows all the facts. There is some agenda being played out here. What a better way to take one of Bitcoin's star advocates and link him to Paedophilia. This is FUD in the worst possible way. :-*




<the following is not in quote blocks for easy readability>

http://www.azzor.com/article/2006/05/general-news/truth-about-ige-and-gold-industry

The truth about IGE and the gold industry

http://wow.azzor.com/images/header/truthaboutige.jpg

Gold Selling.

To players like me, nothing is more corrupting than selling. In a virtual world where you are suppoused to earn your your status, some people like to take shortcuts, ruining the game for others (farming anyone?) After my recent post about what IGE owned, I got a lot of positive emails, thanking me for the info. With that feedback in mind, I decided to delve a bit deeper into IGE.

PLEASE NOTE: This has involved a lot of research. Archive.org, whois.sc WHOIS history, talking to people, investigating relationships. It has been an intensive process, and I have documented all that I could (and relied on reliable sources when I couldn't).

In the Beginning

IGE.com was originally used by an imagine processing company. Sometime in the middle of 2003, the company sprung up. While their original history is a bit muddled, the creation of the company is a bit quizzical. The company was founded by Brock Pierce, who was a child actor (his most famous movie being First Kid, with Sinbad). Originally based in Spain, the commpany moved to Hong Kong (I have verified by sources that is where they started). There was an internet rumor/article that later went on claiming that Brock's former partners (from a company called DEN) were infact child molestors. This culminated in the following vulgar flash video (NSFW). Some quotable news pieces:

DEN Founder Marc Collins-Rector Arrested in Spain After Two-Year Manhunt
- VentureReporter.net Monday, May 20, 2002, 4:15 PM ET
 

SIX-MINUTE SHOWS. Although they weren't named in the suit, DEN co-founders Chad M. Shackley, 24, and Brock Pierce, 18, also resigned. Company officials say they left with Collins-Rector because the trio is closely aligned and plans to start a new data-storage business.


As a (related) aside, DEN was one of the most spectacular flameouts on the web. An interesting read is the FuckedCompany board.

So Brock was management in a company that fleeced millions, happened to be in Spain where Collins-Rector was also, and then moved the company to HK right after he got arrested? Interesting bit of coincidences.

With that vulgar picture in mind, we take a break, and look at the original pioneer.

Gold Industry begins with Yantis

Selling virtual currency was nothing new when Brock came rolling in. eBay had tons of auctions for UO Gold (and still has quite a few). Yet what really got the market going was a Mr. Jonathan Yantis, of MySuperSales fame.

Originally starting with EverQuest, Yantis (as he was referred to) quickly became a villian in the game. Looking to broaden his appeal, Yantis bought out Monkly-Business, which was the favorite hangout for EQ Monks. Gaining more traffic from this, he then expanded and bought out Luclin.com and Prexus.com

What ensued was a firestorm. While M-B had been left alone, Yantis directly moderated the newly bought boards. Removing all bad press about himself, and seeding in threads about how great his service was, the two sites were completely dead within weeks, all links changing from the original sites to newly ones created by users. Yantis had tried using his money to buy part of the market, and he had failed.

This all happened before IGE even existed on the radar.

At this time, Yantis had successfully become the biggest player in the market. Dominating the marketplace at PlayerAuctions.com (Sony had successfully gotten eBay to remove all EQ auctions, and thus people used this site instead), he had also begun to aggressively advertise on other sites. With a 10% comission and a rumored 40% profit margin, Yantis was sitting pretty.

Then came IGE. Well-financed, the company started making inroads into the market. A professional service equal to Yantis, they started to gain market share.

Yantis was not sitting idly. For all the money he (and IGE) were making, their exposure was still very little. He owned a few sites, advertised on a few (but none of the big ones), and was paying quite a bit to advertise through Google and and Goto/Overture. It was with the introduction of IGE that in late 2002 Yantis started playing the SEO game.

A lot of SEO (search engine optimization) can be cast as spam. Stuffing their page with keywords, buying links from pages with high PageRank, these specialists game the system so that their sites show up on top of search engine results. (Please note: A lot of SEOers are great people, who don't spam or whore sites. But an equally large portion is a shady underbelly of the internet).

Suddenly Yantis was getting tons of traffic from search engines. He even broke top 10 on google for the word 'everquest', displacing quality sites with his platinum-selling storefront.

So while Yantis was rapidly getting new customers, whats a competitor to do?

And so begun a movement engineered by IGE to discredit Yantis. While Yantis was marked as being an individual using exploits and dupes to create gold, IGE set themselves up as the 'conscientous' choice, a good and moral company that didn't employ and farmers and just paid wholesalers.

Yes, I'm serious. The sentiment actually shifted with Yantis being blamed for all of EQ's ills and IGE looked up as a 'good' alternative.

But that didn't stop Yantis. Far from it. He kept growing and growing. IGE was also growing (and building contacts with game providers), but was still second to Yantis.

And so this continued until end of 2003. Suddenly MySuperSales went offline. Was all that money making just a mirage?

Not even close. While I cannot trace it specifically to IGE, the attack worked. Whois history shows Yantis suddenly moving to Rackspace after the worm was identified. You can see that Symantec marked its distribution high, so whoever put this out did a good job. Almost sounds like online rackateering.

But this worm was just a preview of the upcoming fierce battle.

Yantis begins acquiring MMO websites

Around New Year's of 2004, while everyone at SOE was busy eating and sleeping, Yantis announced the acquisition of a few sites. Starting with EQBeastlord and EQDruids, the sites had suddenly sold out to Yantis. But this time, instead of moderating the forums, Yantis opted to just stick his banner on the site, and leave it alone. A smart move - most newbies would end up just viewing the content anyway, missing all the bitching happening in the forums. And since he wasn't moderating the sites, a lot of the links never got removed.

And so began a movement that finally broke down the barrier and made currency selling common.

Happy with the results from the first days, Yantis started snapping up websites left and right. Before SOE even new what had happened, half a dozen class websites were under Yantis' ownership. And he wasn't done - not even close. Over the next few weeks, deals were made, only to be broken by IGE waving around money. The peak (with EQ) came with interealms.com - the largest forum community, it suppousedly went for over $50,000. What made this even more nuts was that Yantis had already bought and paid for the site. The owner actually returned the wire transfer and stated that Yantis, enraged with what had happened, actually threatened to sue him for breach of contract.

Along the way, in continuing to develop its relationship with game developers, IGE hired Themis Group, an MMO consulting company. After a fierce backlash, the company removed all signs of the deal ever having occured. Themis Group also owns the WarCry Network.

That never happened, as what happened next blew most people's minds.

IGE buys out Yantis

In the middle of this frenzy, where Yantis acquired 75% of the websites, IGE 25%, and SOE only moving to help out EQInterface (paying them over $10k/month!), a stunning announcement came: IGE had purchased MySuperSales.

Announced on January 22, 2004, the rumored value was that IGE had paid $10 million to Yantis. Of course, my sources confirmed this was not true. Instead what had happened was that Yantis (whose revenue was actually twice that of IGE) had not only realized that his image was tarnished, but also that with them competing with each other and the market growing, it was easier (and likely more profitable) to work together. The end result was that MySuperSales (a brand with a negative stigma) ceased to be actively promoted. In turn, Yantis became the biggest shareholder in IGE, and IGE started to use his backend (and suppliers). So much for the 'Yantis is an exploiter' idea. A funny aside is that IGE had used a lot of money to lure people from Yantis' side to IGE. These people were promptly fired.

At this time IGE had now become a juggernaut. With their management team (Brock as deal-making/schmoozing CEO, Alan as the president, Yantis for strategy/existing infrastructure, and Randy as their general counsel), IGE continued to grow while devouring its competition.

IGE's only visible competition at this time was Team-VIP. Suppousedly holding out for a million dollars, the company was suddenly engulfed by fraud and ceased to exist. The domain and site are now backup again, except this time owned by IGE.

At the same time, IGE had continued buying up marquee sites. While snapping up large sites like L2orphus.com for a reported $5000 (and generating that much in sales every day), the big payday came when IGE successfully purchased ThottBot. By far the most popular WoW website, it went for a reported $100,000, with Bill (Thott) hired at a $100,000/year salary. Not only did this give IGE the most trafficked MMO site on the internet, it also gave it a lot of leverage against Blizzard.

While all this was happening, IGE was still busy expanding. Hiring well-connected talent from other companies (such as Stephen Salyer, a Vice President at both Ubisoft and EA). This was a concentrated effort by them - connect and brand with users through MMO websites, and connect and establish relationships with developers through their hired executives.

And all around this time came the acquisition of OGaming. An upcoming network, IGE's latest purchase continued the trend of buying their way to prospective gold-buying customers. RPG Holdings was created as a new company that owns all MMO-fansite assets. IGE began to start advertising in magazines, and worked hard to hide the ogaming<-->IGE connection, and the Thottbot<-->ogaming connection. To their dismay, this relationship was exposed.

To further a positive image within the MMO community, a fake interview was put up on OGaming to push their agenda (this has since been deleted, but can still be viewed in the internet archive ).

Present Day

Today IGE stands as a monsterous multimillion dollar operation with a stranglehold over the MMO gold industry. Some recent events of interest to gamers include:

IGE made a fake bid of $60k a few months back for a vanguard site just to confuse/scare Sigil Games.

IGE has acquired key domains, including ffxi.com, daoc.com, mxo.com, eq.com

Yantis leaves the company, suppousedly 36 million dollar payday (but over 3 years).

IGE acquires other companies, including Enotts and ezgaming

Originally working on deals with SOE, Linden Labs, and WB, all three fall through as SOE launches its own system, Linden does its own thing, and WB sells MxO to SOE.

IGE continues picking up executives from Yahoo! and Vivendi Universal (owners of Blizzard) (press page)

IGE, suppousedly bleeding money and unable to afford Yantis payment (estimated 1 million/month) releases him from non-compete. Yantis creates GamerKing, with a wholesale deal with IGE, and immediately starts stealing away IGE affiliates and trying to buy out websites.

Mogs and Lewt emerge as new competition, IGE talking to both Mogs and Lewt about a buyout.


If that isn't enough activity for you, here's the big news:

IGE acquires Allakhazam.

The deal happened in complete secrecy in about November 2005. Even many IGE employees were kept in the dark of the deal that was almost certainly worth millions.

IGE's OGaming had been bleeding money, and IGE was looking for a new website strategy. After adding gold currency ads to sites like thottbot and Ogaming, IGE shopped Ogaming around to investers but no one bought in. Thottbot and OGaming take up over 100 servers.

The Spin

Working to integrate all of their web properties (Ogaming, Thottbot, and Allakhazam), IGE today announced plans to create a new super-network, Zam.com. This new MMO network is being spun to the community as if Allakhazam had purchased Ogaming when it was himself who was bought out. We thought the truth should be known.

Read Allakhazam's spin for yourself.


UPDATE :  WoWHead.com is aquired by Affinity Media and joins the ZAM Network of IGE owned websites.

UPDATE November, 2008:  Wired.com has posted a write up about the "The Decline and Fall of an Ultra Rich Online Gaming Empire" as it details more about the fate of IGE and a bit of an eye into the whole dark world of virtual gold and item selling.

UPDATE August, 2009: China bans gold farming and selling


Title: Re: Has The Bitcoin Foundation lost its fuckin' mind...
Post by: notbatman on May 03, 2014, 10:50:58 PM
I read on the news something about a "Bitcoin CEO" allegedly committing suicide. Then in various forum posts users stated that she in fact ran a company that traded in video game currencies.

Does this incident fit into the picture somehow?


Title: Re: Has The Bitcoin Foundation lost its fuckin' mind...
Post by: notbatman on May 03, 2014, 10:59:43 PM
Bruno K.: No way I am going to feed the trolls here. I have no doubt I would lose as anyone who reads these forums know that you are the King of Trolls =).

P.S: For fun on your posts on me (I know you spent a lot of time researching my posts to troll me so I will reply this one time).
- Black Arrow guys actually refunded 2/3rds of my money. So Kudos to them.
- Not sure what that second part is about. I can't even put it in context as I didn't write it.
- F*CK KnCMiner

Also, just to take the high road here: I sent 10 BTC over to Sean's Outpost.
https://blockchain.info/tx/ffe9742f16126262f0b7f534d6d63a9c27d7ee77ff492427b3d45a7a4195ea9e

Are you smoking crack? Kudos to Black Arrow? Fucking scam company hasn't delivered shit while KnC has delivered profitable miners.


Title: Re: Has The Bitcoin Foundation lost its fuckin' mind...
Post by: yantis on May 03, 2014, 11:12:18 PM
Notbatman:

- On BlackArrow all I know is I bought 100 units from them and they refunded 2/3rds of my money when I asked them (they were no longer profitable and they had some shipping delays) and they didn't have to do the refund but they did. They shipped me approximately 40 FPGA miners which worked great. Since that time I have no idea what they are doing. The experience I had with them went well. So Yes kudos to them for that.

- On KNCMiner. I bought around 40 units from them (actually did the very first pre-order with them or at least this is what they told me). Didn't get a single one. It is a long story but to say the least I wasn't happy with the ending.

You may and others may have had a bad or good experience with either of the companies. I am just relaying my experience with them.


Title: Re: Has The Bitcoin Foundation lost its fuckin' mind...
Post by: Phinnaeus Gage on May 03, 2014, 11:14:37 PM
Bruno K.: No way I am going to feed the trolls here. I have no doubt I would lose as anyone who reads these forums know that you are the King of Trolls =).

P.S: For fun on your posts on me (I know you spent a lot of time researching my posts to troll me so I will reply this one time).
- Black Arrow guys actually refunded 2/3rds of my money. So Kudos to them.
- Not sure what that second part is about. I can't even put it in context as I didn't write it.
- F*CK KnCMiner

Also, just to take the high road here: I sent 10 BTC over to Sean's Outpost.
https://blockchain.info/tx/ffe9742f16126262f0b7f534d6d63a9c27d7ee77ff492427b3d45a7a4195ea9e

Are you smoking crack? Kudos to Black Arrow? Fucking scam company hasn't delivered shit while KnC has delivered profitable miners.

At first, the millionaire Yantis said he purchased 100 rigs, then later stated he purchased 40 rigs in the same thread months later, with said posts to bring cred to BA.

I read on the news something about a "Bitcoin CEO" allegedly committing suicide. Then in various forum posts users stated that she in fact ran a company that traded in video game currencies.

Does this incident fit into the picture somehow?

You need to read this post: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=589304.msg6519637#msg6519637


Title: Re: Has The Bitcoin Foundation lost its fuckin' mind...
Post by: Phinnaeus Gage on May 03, 2014, 11:34:40 PM
Notbatman:

- On BlackArrow all I know is they refunded 2/3rds of my money when I asked them and they didn't have to and they shipped me approximately 40 FPGA miners. Since that time I have no idea what they are doing. The experience I had with them went well. So Yes kudos to them for that.

- On KNCMiner. I bought around 40 units from them (actually did the very first pre-order with them or at least this is what they told me). Didn't get a single one. It is a long story but to say the least I wasn't happy with the ending.

You may and others may have had a bad or good experience with either of the companies. I am just relaying my experience with them.

KnC came onto the scene on April, 8, 2014. No where in the following you mention a purchase from KnC, yet your Sunlot partner, Brock Pierce, has a vested interest in them:

Topic: Buying ASIC Units in bulk - 1 million USD budget

UPDATE 6/9/2013:

Thanks again to everyone who reached out to me. I ended up picking up 17 Avalon units in total - 71 GH/s each  (1.2 TH/s of total mining power) and still have well over half to invest in other stuff.  We physically picked these up most of these to avoid any risks.

I am still interested in your units if the price is really good though more interested in ASIC companies that can deliver. My partner and I are looking to deploy about $250,000 USD per week over the next several months so please reach out if you can deliver and when and what it would take to get first batch delivery.



I am looking to buy hardware in hand (not pre-order) a good example would be today I am paying $XX USD for three module Avalon ASIC unit (68 to 72 GH/s). I feel these are a bit overpriced and with the difficulty going up so fast I won't buy to many at this price but am buying some now.

I am hoping  for a Chinese company that makes ASIC units wants a quick million USD for hardware they have in hand that they are most likely mining with now and don't want to risk the difficulty raises or upcoming ASIC onslaught but will also buy small single unit orders.

I prefer to buy in the USA for small orders but if its a big order (over 250k) I will fly to your country. I have done a lot of business in China and even lived there a while so I have no problem going to the PRC either. So if you are a Chinese supplier and can deliver now even better.

Payment: Will be done via USD wire transfer not BTC. There are several reasons for this:
- Its harder than you think for a US citizen to convert a million dollars into BTC
- Due to current laws I don't have a lot of legal recourse if I pay with Bitcoin vs a national currency.
- For tax purposes its a lot easier to write off a million dollar hardware charge than a million dollar Bitcoin charge.

History: I have done a few buys on the forums: 100 Lancelot units from Black Arrow, 80 USB Block Erupters, and one Avalon batch 3 pre-order paid in full for 14k. The block erupters scale decently well using Raspberry PIs see my post here https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=137934.msg2345214#msg2345214 though are to expensive and I am looking for more scale.

I also wanted to point out I did this trade here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=209471.msg2242450#msg2242450

Apart from this I used to sell virtual currency as far back as 1997 with games like Ultima Online, Everquest and World of Warcraft. At one point were were doing over 10 million USD in sales a month before I got out of the space so am no stranger to virtual currencies. More info on Google since its not really related to this post.

You can PM me, email me at yantis@yantis.net or skype me at jonyantis or via wechat : yantis

From what I've ascertained from reading your posts, your bottom line is paramount yet, as a principal of Sunlot, you, et al. want to come across as looking out for Mt Gox's customer's best interest.

FYI, you and Brock Pierce become lifetime members of The Bitcoin Foundation at exactly the same time as seen here: https://members.bitcoinfoundation.org/current (the list was generated left to right, top down)


Title: Re: Has The Bitcoin Foundation lost its fuckin' mind...
Post by: DELTA9 on May 03, 2014, 11:35:56 PM
to late!

Or people can just not use bitcoin-qt. Let the foundation play in their own bitcoin-qt only network.

It is just a private group of scammers and other kind of criminals, as other poster said their group name is just to cause confusion. But it is worrying 'cause as far as i know core developers are founding members of such group. We can't let bitcoin development in their hands.
The Bitcoin Foundation pays Gavin and other developers to contribute to the protocol and client. Without the foundation, Bitcoin development and growth would decrease dramatically. Heartbleed could have been avoided if more donations (https://www.openssl.org/support/donations.html) were made to the OpenSSL foundation. If you want to stop using bitcoin-qt go ahead...you are still using the blockchain. I encourage both of you to donate to either of these foundations and keep your insipid drivel out of the forums.


Title: Re: Has The Bitcoin Foundation lost its fuckin' mind...
Post by: Phinnaeus Gage on May 03, 2014, 11:44:10 PM
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=223248.msg2431659#msg2431659

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What worries me are the people not on the list. Stuff like the Coinlab secret mine and the the massive growth to networking power in the past 10 days that is unaccounted for and real ASIC (non Bitcoin) players getting into this space.

KnC's secret mega-phram, now with 7,000+ miners, and counting, and churning strong, didn't worry you much while your partner, Brock Pierce, was investing in them.

Having their own private exchange to liquidate their mined BTC is not really looking out for bitcoiner's best interest, I don't believe.

BTW, did you take a look at the latest discovered funny? http://web.archive.org/web/20060208124607/http://www.fuckedcompany.com/den/ I've already viewed it three times, ready to watch it again right after I hit the post button.

Screenshot teaser below:

https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7385/13913396620_a89c652dec_b.jpg


MOD NOTE:
Removed embedded NSFW image...


Title: Re: Has The Bitcoin Foundation lost its fuckin' mind...
Post by: Phinnaeus Gage on May 03, 2014, 11:59:21 PM
Goddamn the mainstream media for spreading fud for the past 14 years!

http://www.mediawiredaily.com/2007/10/wow-that-kid-from-that-kid-movie-is.html

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Wow! That kid from that "First Kid" movie is a pervert

We can't say any of us can remember the movie (clears throat) but Brock Pierce who stared as the president's spoil son living in the White House with comedian Sinbad as his bodyguard/nanny, in the movie "First Kid"was one of the founders of an early online entertainment company called Digital Entertainment Network otherwise known as DEN. DEN was a star of the early Internet bubble producing online only broadcasts. Investors flocked to their parties to get in on the action hoping for a huge return. But there was a dark and perverted side to the over hyped web start up, that would soon bring Den to its knees and put it's founders including Brock on the run for some time. It is believed the company was basically set up as a front to attract young naive young boys who were promised instant stardom, money and lots more. However the only thing they got was butt raped and abused allegedly at the hands of teen actor (at the time) Brock Pierce and his older and more perverted partner Collins-Rector and another individual. Rector was the only one charged. The company's most popular program had an all boys cast which included dick headed actor Sean Willam Scott (whose people, declined to comment on the story in Radar) called "Chad's World" a show for gay teenagers, which an industry observer called a "gay pedophile version of Silver Spoons". Below is a clip of "Chad's World"

Pierce is now a major shareholder in IGE, a well-known MMORPG gold-selling company,and was the chairman of Affinity Media, a company which owns a variety of MMORPG-oriented websites. On June 26, 2007, it was announced that Pierce decided to resign as CEO of Affinity Media. Pierce will remain an adviser and a board member of Affinity Media.


Title: Re: Has The Bitcoin Foundation lost its fuckin' mind...
Post by: Bit_Happy on May 04, 2014, 12:13:26 AM
The Wall Street Journal doesn't mess around.
We have been alerted to accept our new generation of leaders, because they have arrived with a bold plan to assume control.


Title: Re: Has The Bitcoin Foundation lost its fuckin' mind...
Post by: Phinnaeus Gage on May 04, 2014, 12:25:10 AM
The Wall Street Journal doesn't mess around.
We have been alerted to accept our new generation of leaders, because they have arrived with a bold plan to assume control.

Does the bold plan include alt coins as well? Wait till you discover who the registrar for https://dgex.com/ is:

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Domain Name: dgex.com
Registry Domain ID: 99321791_DOMAIN_COM-VRSN
Registrar WHOIS Server: whois.srsplus.com
Registrar URL: http://www.srsplus.com

Updated Date: 2013-12-22T00:00:00-0500
Creation Date: 2003-06-18T02:55:44-0400
Registrar Registration Expiration Date: 2014-06-18T00:00:00-0400
Registrar: TLDS, LLC DBA SRSPLUS
Registrar IANA ID: 320
Registrar Abuse Contact Email: abuse@web.com
Registrar Abuse Contact Phone: +1.8773812449
Reseller:
Domain Status: clientTransferProhibited
Registry Registrant ID:
Registrant Name: Graviton Capital Inc. Tech Administrator
Registrant Organization:
Registrant Street: 34-20 Calle 34
Registrant City: Panama City
Registrant State/Province:
Registrant Postal Code: 5
Registrant Country: PA
Registrant Phone: +507.2066664011

Quote
DGEX will support multiple cryptocurrencies in the future. The software of DGEX was produced by the owner and has been in use for numerous private share trading platforms since 2000. It was deployed for BTC / NXT trading in November 2013.


Title: Re: Has The Bitcoin Foundation lost its fuckin' mind...
Post by: Hippie Tech on May 04, 2014, 01:41:36 AM
The Wall Street Journal doesn't mess around.
We have been alerted to accept our new generation of leaders, because they have arrived with a bold plan to assume control.

Does the bold plan include alt coins as well? Wait till you discover who the registrar for https://dgex.com/ is:


Pssst .. they are the ones who created them. eg. cryptos are the cashless society the elitist pedo warpigs have been dreaming about for centuries.

Was it mere coincidence that ASICs came to light not long after the devs had their meeting(s) with the CIA ?

Who do you think is presently easymining BTC and LTC with these mega-terrahash farms ?

BTC hashrate distribution  http://blockchain.info/pools?timespan=4days
http://img.techpowerup.org/140503/pools.png







Title: Re: Has The Bitcoin Foundation lost its fuckin' mind...
Post by: freequant on May 04, 2014, 02:36:38 AM
...or have they opted to not do their due diligence when they included Brock Pierce on the list?

They already lost two members due to scandals, one of which I love, while the other is French. Now, they're buckin' for adding another to their venerable org covered with taint (double-entendre intended).
While they are at it, how about inviting Bruce Wagner back and moving their HQ to Pattaya?


Title: Re: Has The Bitcoin Foundation lost its fuckin' mind...
Post by: Bit_Happy on May 04, 2014, 03:09:59 AM
...or have they opted to not do their due diligence when they included Brock Pierce on the list?

They already lost two members due to scandals, one of which I love, while the other is French. Now, they're buckin' for adding another to their venerable org covered with taint (double-entendre intended).
While they are at it, how about inviting Bruce Wagner back and moving their HQ to Pattaya?

http://brucewagner.files.wordpress.com/2010/05/bruce.jpg

http://bloghopenchangery.files.wordpress.com/2010/08/automotivator_clinton_missmeyet21.jpg

Our movement is open to everyone?



Title: Re: Has The Bitcoin Foundation lost its fuckin' mind...
Post by: Phinnaeus Gage on May 04, 2014, 03:27:24 AM
...or have they opted to not do their due diligence when they included Brock Pierce on the list?

They already lost two members due to scandals, one of which I love, while the other is French. Now, they're buckin' for adding another to their venerable org covered with taint (double-entendre intended).
While they are at it, how about inviting Bruce Wagner back and moving their HQ to Pattaya?

This Pattaya place you mentioned sounds like a great place to hold a Bitcoin conference: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=39476

Meanwhile, on the Bruno's-just-spreading-fud front:

http://www.thegrouchygamer.com/?p=94

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Scott Jennings is a blogger. His blog, Broken Toys, is one that I have read as long as I have been reading blogs. He recently posted an article about the legal battle going on between Alan Debonneville and Brock Pierce, a couple of the principles at IGE. Here’s where the irony part kicks in.

Pierce, who made a fortune thumbing his nose at legalese and violating the EULAs of pretty much every MMO company out there, has sicced his lawyers on Jennings and have demanded that he remove his article. He’s going to comply today. I wanted to bring these bullying tactics to your attention, so you have some perspective of the kind of people that are running these operations. Keep in mind when you read this, IGE has always been considered one of the CLEANER operations out there.

Thanks to Ryan Shwayder over at Nerfbat for bringing this to my attention this morning. Here’s to piling on. I’ll let you know if I am subjected to the same kind of bullying as Jennings was. Here is a mirror of Jenning’s post. Note: Many of these links are broken, probably because of the lawyers demanding they are taken down… Here is Scott’s original post;

“MMOcitizen.com, a website operated by the law firm currently bringing a class action lawsuit against IGE, obtained and published a copy of a complaint in another lawsuit involving IGE: this one brought against former CEO Brock Pierce last year by co-founder Alan Debonneville.

For almost 5 years, Debonneville has dedicated his entire life to the creation, development, and success of IGE US, LLC (”IGE”). IGE’s meteoric rise from an under funded startup to the market leader culminated in a Goldman-Sachs investment of $60,000,000, which set the value of IGE at the time of $220,000,000. While Pierce, a flamboyant former child actor, has always been the public face of IGE, Debonneville has been the tireless working founder, responsible for the expansion and operation of the company.
The filing goes into great detail about IGE’s rise and fall from Debonneville’s point of view, with, just in case you weren’t already glued to your PDF files, added dirt from the dot-com-money-and-man-boy-love days of DEN.

After living and working in Spain for a few months, Debonneville observed that Rector and Pierce had a very close relationship, one that did not seem normal between a 40-year old man and a 20-year old young man…

…Apparently, there were a multitude of charges related to the prior operation of a company specifying that Pierce, Rector, and Shackley had stolen money from the company and wasted corporate assets for things like the purchase of illicit drugs, living a lavish lifestyle, and criminal allegations of transporting a minor across state lines for sexual purposes. Upon learning this information, Debonneville questioned Pierce regarding the allegations, and Pierce stated that the claims were false and contrived as a setup by some competitors and former employees…
Wild enough? It gets… something. Worse? Better? Uwe Boll?

Debonneville was told by Pierce that the “Spanish FBI” came to their house with a “SWAT” team in helicopters, kicked in their door, shot their dog, and threw all of them in jail.
The complaint eventually leaves the Mallorca Vice portion of history and gives a breezy history of much of what we knew already – IGE’s quick rise and huge cash infusions, and the use of that in a quest to purchase respectability through hiring executives and purchasing websites. Eventually, it all falls apart around the time of the Goldman Sachs investment as the principals began to fall out over arguing over how to divide up the huge amount of stock, which is dealt in the document (from Debonneville’s viewpoint, of course) in point-by-point detail.

Debonneville was starting to discover that Pierce had not only lied to Debonneville about the Yantis Stock Repurchase, but also that Pierce had benefited personally to the detriment of Debonneville from the Salyer and Maslow sale of stock. Of course, Debonneville was shocked to learn that Pierce had sold any of Pierce’s stock in IGE…

…On July 14, 2006, in an apparent attempt to convince Debonneville that his interest in IGE was becoming worth less and less money, Debonneville was sent an article regarding a crackdown on the sale and purchase of game items for cash in Korea. The implication was that IGE’s recent acquisition of Itemmania, a Korean online house, was going to be a failure. In hindsight, it appears that this was just another one of Pierce’s attempts to manipulate Debonneville into selling his stock to Pierce for a less than fair value, certainly for less than Pierce realized on the sale to Maverick. Today, it is likely that this may in fact be IGE’s most valuable remaining asset…

And just in case you started nodding off with tales of stock screwballery… enter everyone’s friend in space, Jonathan Yantis.

Yantis also advised Debonneville that if a deal was not reached with IGE, Yantis had already put a network in place to compete with and destroy IGE. Yantis stated that through the hiring of certain individuals who he had a long time business relationship with, Yantis would sell currency that had been exploited or duped.

Exploiting or duping is a process whereby an outsider hacks the game program into creating currency for the individual or duplicating an item and then selling it over and over which also results the creation of currency. These actions allow for the exploiter/duper to create an endless supply of currency without any real cost to that currenct. This is something Yantis has done in the past and made large profits from. The exploiter/duper would typically receive a commission for any currency sold of about 40% of the sales price. Due to the currency being exploited, Yantis was and would be able to sell currency at a price significantly below market, since the cost of the currency sold was non existent. This also allowed for an infinite supply to be created in what could take as little time as a few minutes.

Yantis indicated that this was also how he could turn the trading arm of IGE around and make it profitable, almost instantly. Pierce was aware of Yantis’ intent to use these exploits. In fact, Pierce counted on them as part of the rationale behind why Yantis should be brought back to work for IGE.


A clearer explanation of the toxic effects of RMT on online gaming has yet to be written. (I know. I tried.)

I’m sure that as this hits the commentariat there will be more to be said. Oh, there will be more.

Pass it on.

Quick aside: Each time I see the phrase "Pass it On" I'm reminded of my dear friend who's no longer with us: http://www.nashvillemusicguide.com/writers-night-legend-steve-bivins-battles-cancer/

http://brokentoys.org/?p=1780

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YANTIS ON THIS WEEK’S “I, CRINGELY”

A surprisingly informed, evenhanded look at virtual arbitrage from the PBS columnist (http://web.archive.org/web/20071001104432/http://www.pbs.org/cringely/pulpit/2004/pulpit_20040506_000811.html). <--THIS IS A LINK!

The specific event that led to this column was the failed sale of $2,300 in platinum by a group of EverQuest fanatics who wanted to use the money to pay their way to a big EverQuest convention. It is their contention (not mine, I’m just the reporter here, remember) that the bad guy in this deal is either Jonathan Yantis or an associate of his. Jonathan Yantis runs Yantis Enterprises, which was until recently the big competitor to IGE for the buying and selling of this stuff that isn’t real. Yantis is in San Diego, IGE is in Florida, and earlier this year they merged with IGE buying Yantis, though the web sites (they are both in this week’s links) remain separate.

The players who came to me sold their platinum through a game-specific auction site. The deal went forward exactly as described above, and they suddenly had no platinum and no money. Wily hackers that they are, they tracked the mail records of the only trail that did exist, the e-mails arranging the exchange, and claim to have found that the buyer’s IP address was from the same range used by Yantis Enterprises. Further, they explored the qualifications of the “PayPal Verified” buyer and claim that most of the positive feedback came from Jonathan Yantis. Finally, they claim that the day after the transaction, the Yantis price to sell platinum on their EverQuest server suddenly dropped as though there was suddenly a larger supply acquired at little or no cost.

These players are fervent and angry and they have some real data so what happens now? Not much, and that is probably the real topic of this column.


Title: Re: Has The Bitcoin Foundation lost its fuckin' mind...
Post by: Phinnaeus Gage on May 04, 2014, 03:33:35 AM
...or have they opted to not do their due diligence when they included Brock Pierce on the list?

They already lost two members due to scandals, one of which I love, while the other is French. Now, they're buckin' for adding another to their venerable org covered with taint (double-entendre intended).
While they are at it, how about inviting Bruce Wagner back and moving their HQ to Pattaya?

http://brucewagner.files.wordpress.com/2010/05/bruce.jpg

http://bloghopenchangery.files.wordpress.com/2010/08/automotivator_clinton_missmeyet21.jpg

Our movement is open to everyone?



I wasn't aware until now that Bill Clinton's dick resembled a microphone. That explains a few things.

http://i.huffpost.com/gen/678356/thumbs/o-HILLARY-CLINTON-570.jpg?4 http://www.freakingnews.com/pictures/54000/Hillary-Clinton-Singing-at-a-Club--54205.jpg

https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7069/14090284572_f36a2eec54_m.jpg
"I approve this post!"


Title: Re: Has The Bitcoin Foundation lost its fuckin' mind...
Post by: Bit_Happy on May 04, 2014, 04:32:17 AM
....
...Yantis would sell currency that had been exploited or duped.

Exploiting or duping is a process whereby an outsider hacks the game program into creating currency for the individual or duplicating an item and then selling it over and over which also results the creation of currency. These actions allow for the exploiter/duper to create an endless supply of currency without any real cost to that currenct. This is something Yantis has done in the past and made large profits from. The exploiter/duper would typically receive a commission for any currency sold of about 40% of the sales price. Due to the currency being exploited, Yantis was and would be able to sell currency at a price significantly below market, since the cost of the currency sold was non existent. This also allowed for an infinite supply to be created in what could take as little time as a few minutes.

Yantis indicated that this was also how he could turn the trading arm of IGE around and make it profitable, almost instantly. Pierce was aware of Yantis’ intent to use these exploits. In fact, Pierce counted on them as part of the rationale behind why Yantis should be brought back to work for IGE.


A clearer explanation of the toxic effects of RMT on online gaming has yet to be written. (I know. I tried.)

I’m sure that as this hits the commentariat there will be more to be said. Oh, there will be more.

Pass it on.


Hey what a small world!
That scammer who (allegedly) cheated the games has the same username as the guy who popped in to claim Brock Rectum Pierce is a good "innocent" guy.
What are the odds that a person from the Bitcoin Foundation would just happen to have the same online name?


Title: Re: Has The Bitcoin Foundation lost its fuckin' mind...
Post by: Phinnaeus Gage on May 04, 2014, 04:45:45 AM
....
...Yantis would sell currency that had been exploited or duped.

Exploiting or duping is a process whereby an outsider hacks the game program into creating currency for the individual or duplicating an item and then selling it over and over which also results the creation of currency. These actions allow for the exploiter/duper to create an endless supply of currency without any real cost to that currenct. This is something Yantis has done in the past and made large profits from. The exploiter/duper would typically receive a commission for any currency sold of about 40% of the sales price. Due to the currency being exploited, Yantis was and would be able to sell currency at a price significantly below market, since the cost of the currency sold was non existent. This also allowed for an infinite supply to be created in what could take as little time as a few minutes.

Yantis indicated that this was also how he could turn the trading arm of IGE around and make it profitable, almost instantly. Pierce was aware of Yantis’ intent to use these exploits. In fact, Pierce counted on them as part of the rationale behind why Yantis should be brought back to work for IGE.


A clearer explanation of the toxic effects of RMT on online gaming has yet to be written. (I know. I tried.)

I’m sure that as this hits the commentariat there will be more to be said. Oh, there will be more.

Pass it on.


Hey what a small world!
That scammer who (allegedly) cheated the games has the same username as the guy who popped in to claim Brock Rectum Pierce is a good "innocent" guy.
What are the odds that a person from the Bitcoin Foundation would just happen to have the same online name?

It's the same guy, of which he confirmed such last year, thus is not in dispute. Like I said, him and Brock both became lifetime members of The Bitcoin Foundation at the same time, him first, then Brock, for the list was generated via joining date and not alphabetically.

Ironically, one embraces KnC while the other kicks them to the curb, meanwhile both are part of Sunlot destined to take over Mount Coxs.


Title: Re: Has The Bitcoin Foundation lost its fuckin' mind...
Post by: Phinnaeus Gage on May 04, 2014, 05:54:04 AM
The Wall Street Journal doesn't mess around.
We have been alerted to accept our new generation of leaders, because they have arrived with a bold plan to assume control.

Does the bold plan include alt coins as well? Wait till you discover who the registrar for https://dgex.com/ is:

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Domain Name: dgex.com
Registry Domain ID: 99321791_DOMAIN_COM-VRSN
Registrar WHOIS Server: whois.srsplus.com
Registrar URL: http://www.srsplus.com

Updated Date: 2013-12-22T00:00:00-0500
Creation Date: 2003-06-18T02:55:44-0400
Registrar Registration Expiration Date: 2014-06-18T00:00:00-0400
Registrar: TLDS, LLC DBA SRSPLUS
Registrar IANA ID: 320
Registrar Abuse Contact Email: abuse@web.com
Registrar Abuse Contact Phone: +1.8773812449
Reseller:
Domain Status: clientTransferProhibited
Registry Registrant ID:
Registrant Name: Graviton Capital Inc. Tech Administrator
Registrant Organization:
Registrant Street: 34-20 Calle 34
Registrant City: Panama City
Registrant State/Province:
Registrant Postal Code: 5
Registrant Country: PA
Registrant Phone: +507.2066664011

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DGEX will support multiple cryptocurrencies in the future. The software of DGEX was produced by the owner and has been in use for numerous private share trading platforms since 2000. It was deployed for BTC / NXT trading in November 2013.

Connecting the dots, srsplus.com and silkroad.com are one and the same.

http://www.ibtimes.com/mt-gox-may-rise-again-if-wall-street-veterans-burned-bitcoin-traders-get-their-way-1574092

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Sunlot boasts a broad and experienced range of investors, including online businessmen Brock Pierce and Jonathan Yantis, and venture capitalists William Quigley and Matthew Roszak, from Clearstone Venture Partners and Silk Road Equity, respectively.

http://www.silkroadequity.com/contact.html

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20 West Kinzie Street, Suite 1420
Chicago, Illinois 60654
USA

http://www.whois.com/whois/silkroad.com

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Domain Name: silkroad.com
Registry Domain ID: 604884_DOMAIN_COM-VRSN
Registrar WHOIS Server: whois.srsplus.com
Registrar URL: http://www.srsplus.com
Updated Date: 1993-04-20T00:00:00-0400
Creation Date: 1993-04-20T00:00:00-0400
Registrar Registration Expiration Date: 2015-04-21T00:00:00-0400
Registrar: TLDS, LLC DBA SRSPLUS
Registrar IANA ID: 320
Registrar Abuse Contact Email: email@web.com
Registrar Abuse Contact Phone: +1.8773812449
Reseller:
Domain Status:
Registry Registrant ID:
Registrant Name: DNS Admin
Registrant Organization: SilkRoad Technology, Inc.
Registrant Street: 20 West Kinzie Street Suite 1220
Registrant City: Chicago
Registrant State/Province: IL
Registrant Postal Code: 60654
Registrant Country: US
Registrant Phone: +1.8663293363

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/to-secure-your-bitcoins-print-them-out-2014-02-26

Feb. 26, 2014, 11:10 a.m. EST

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But even the biggest bitcoin fans recommend a real wallet or physical safe. “Printing off the private key from your bitcoin, putting it into a paper form and sticking it in your hip pocket or house wall safe is one way to make sure it’s safe,” says Andrew “Flip” Filipowski, chairman and CEO of SilkRoad Equity, a cloud-based human capital management software company. “Keep your bitcoin offline,” Daley adds. He too suggests keeping the bitcoin private key—a secret number that allows bitcoins to be spent—on a thumb drive and advises against keeping a copy online: “If a site is hacked and your bitcoin is stolen, the chance of recovery is effectively nil.”

...

Filipowski says picking a digital wallet is like picking a bank. “You could find a wallet that you have more confidence in,” he says. Several companies this week issued a joint statement on Mt. Gox: “As with any new industry, there are certain bad actors that need to be weeded out, and that is what we are seeing today.” The signees included Fred Ehrsam and Brian Armstrong, founders of Coinbase, a digital wallet and exchange; Jeremy Allaire, CEO of Circle Internet Financial, a bitcoin-focused technology startup; and Nicolas Cary, CEO of Blockchain, a digital exchange and wallet.

http://web.archive.org/web/20051124170914/http://www.silkroadequity.com/investment__portfolio/index.htm

Quote

PrimaryTracking  (www.primarytracking.com)

Primo Water  (www.primowater.com)

SilkRoad Realty Capital  (www.silkroadrealty.com)

SilkRoad technology  (www.silkroadtech.com)

SolidSpace  (www.solidspace.com)

TrueSentry  (www.truesentry.com)

truesnetry.com is now http://www.truelook.com/, ergo http://web.archive.org/web/20051201030550/http://www.truesentry.com/?

https://farm3.staticflickr.com/2929/13915194050_ef375f1900_b.jpg

BTW, Google shares the same address: http://www.google.com/about/company/facts/locations/

Quote
Google Chicago
20 West Kinzie St.
Chicago, IL 60654
Phone: +1 312-840-4100
Fax: +1 312-840-4101

http://www.nytimes.com/1999/08/01/business/private-sector-a-maverick-has-plans-for-chicago.html

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ANDREW J. FILIPOWSKI, the maverick software entrepreneur who sold Platinum Technology International to Computer Associates last month for $3.5 billion, was reclining in his limousine on Tuesday, listening to his voice mail and shooting off responses -- ''Barbara, can you check on this right away?'' -- on his way downtown. Between calls, Mr. Filipowski told a reporter that his next challenge was to turn Chicago into a ''center for cyberspace,'' which is why he was on his way to meet Mayor Richard M. Daley. On Wednesday, it was Gov. George Ryan.

I'm sure "Flip" has Google's ear.

Now, about that Polish Bitcoin Exchange, Bitomat, that accidently erased all its clients data, but Mt Gox was kind enough to make whole...


Title: Re: Has The Bitcoin Foundation lost its fuckin' mind...
Post by: TrailingComet on May 04, 2014, 06:29:54 AM
Some questionable choices but I quite like Vinny Lingham
Comes across like a genuine guy committed to helping btc get mainstream


Title: Re: Has The Bitcoin Foundation lost its fuckin' mind...
Post by: ThePurplePlanet on May 04, 2014, 10:20:57 AM
Here is someone very happy about it:

https://litecointalk.org/index.php?topic=19292.0


Title: Re: Has The Bitcoin Foundation lost its fuckin' mind...
Post by: Phinnaeus Gage on May 04, 2014, 02:14:03 PM
Here is someone very happy about it:

https://litecointalk.org/index.php?topic=19292.0

I took the liberty and rewrote the text:

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The Bitcoin Foundation has not been too fond of pedophiles. Maybe with this new board member, they would become more accepting of this and other pedophiles. So if you are a Bitcoin Foundation member, I urge you to go vote for this pedophile in the run-off erection, so that he can get the 52 votes needed to be erected to the vacated seat, formerly by Mark Karpeles of Mt Gox, ironically of which he'll oversee.

Now that I've penned it in perspective, how could I have been so blind? We cried like babies when the press got it wrong about Bitcoin, but now we hand them the headlines: Pedo- Brock Pierce Bags Vacant The Bitcoin Foundation Seat (film at 11, 12, 1, ... See the show!)

Performing for your joy
we've a sight not for the coy
A man and seven boys
keep it cool, keep it cool
We would like it to be known
the exhibits that were shown
Were exclusively Bitcoin's own,
all our own, all our own

Come and see the show,
come and see the show
Come and see the show
See the show

For those not up to speed: http://web.archive.org/web/20060208124607/http://www.fuckedcompany.com/den/


Title: Re: Has The Bitcoin Foundation lost its fuckin' mind...
Post by: Phinnaeus Gage on May 05, 2014, 04:20:59 PM
http://yro-beta.slashdot.org/story/13/07/30/1228217/thailand-government-declares-bitcoin-illegal

https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7189/14114934435_279b277110_b.jpg

Brock Pierce overseeing Mount Coxs and a board member of The Bitcoin Foundation would give the media a field day.


Title: Re: Has The Bitcoin Foundation lost its fuckin' mind...
Post by: Hippie Tech on May 05, 2014, 04:39:17 PM
Then why is the vatican legal ? :P

Sell the vatican.. feed the World.

http://youtu.be/3bObItmxAGc


Title: Re: Has The Bitcoin Foundation lost its fuckin' mind...
Post by: Phinnaeus Gage on May 05, 2014, 05:01:42 PM
Then why is the vatican legal ? :P

Sell the vatican.. feed the World.

http://youtu.be/3bObItmxAGc

Care to guess who said the following?

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[P]rostitution, adultery, necrophilia, bestiality, possession of child pornography, and even incest and pedophilia ... should be legal as long as no one is coerced. They are illegal only because of prejudice and narrowmindedness.
Some rules might be called for when these acts directly affect other people's interests. For incest, contraception could be mandatory to avoid risk of inbreeding. For prostitution, a license should be required to ensure prostitutes get regular medical check-ups, and they should have training and support in insisting on use of condoms. This will be an advance in public health, compared with the situation today.

For necrophilia, it might be necessary to ask the next of kin for permission if the decedent's will did not authorize it. Necrophilia would be my second choice for what should be done with my corpse, the first being scientific or medical use. Once my dead body is no longer of any use to me, it may as well be of some use to someone. Besides, I often enjoy rhinophytonecrophilia (nasal sex with dead plants).

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I am skeptical of the claim that voluntarily pedophilia harms children. The arguments that it causes harm seem to be based on cases which aren't voluntary, which are then stretched by parents who are horrified by the idea that their little baby is maturing.

Quote
There is little evidence to justify the widespread assumption that willing participation in pedophilia hurts children.

Granted, children may not dare say no to an older relative, or may not realize they could say no; in that case, even if they do not overtly object, the relationship may still feel imposed to them. That's not willing participation, it's imposed participation, a different issue.

Quote
I've read that male dolphins try to have sex with humans, and female apes solicit sex from humans. What is wrong with giving them what they want, if that's what turns you on, or even just to gratify them?


Title: Re: Has The Bitcoin Foundation lost its fuckin' mind...
Post by: Bit_Happy on May 05, 2014, 05:09:39 PM
Here is someone very happy about it:

https://litecointalk.org/index.php?topic=19292.0

There will be a run-off election, so falling short this time isn't enough to keep Brock Pierce from further penetrating the community.


Title: Re: Has The Bitcoin Foundation lost its fuckin' mind...
Post by: noviapriani on May 05, 2014, 06:00:49 PM
Screw the bitcoin foundation, why dont we elect members to stand against the foundation that has money.  But it seems bitcoin is about greed, this is why I like the dogecoin members we should elect them


Title: Re: Has The Bitcoin Foundation lost its fuckin' mind...
Post by: tins on May 05, 2014, 10:29:17 PM
Here is someone very happy about it:

https://litecointalk.org/index.php?topic=19292.0

There will be a run-off election, so falling short this time isn't enough to keep Brock Pierce from further penetrating the community.

He should not be a part of the Foundation.
Bitcoin would further be unfairly seen as a criminal element with him.


Title: Re: Has The Bitcoin Foundation lost its fuckin' mind...
Post by: tl121 on May 05, 2014, 10:59:46 PM
Given the circumstances surrounding the departure of the two previous directors, one would think that candidates would be chosen who are as "pure as Caesar's wife".  This situation casts doubt not only the Bitcoin Foundation, but on the entire Bitcoin Community.


Title: Re: Has The Bitcoin Foundation lost its fuckin' mind...
Post by: cbeast on May 05, 2014, 11:23:57 PM
Given the circumstances surrounding the departure of the two previous directors, one would think that candidates would be chosen who are as "pure as Caesar's wife".  This situation casts doubt not only the Bitcoin Foundation, but on the entire Bitcoin Community.

Nay, the whole human race.


Title: Re: Has The Bitcoin Foundation lost its fuckin' mind...
Post by: Bit_Happy on May 06, 2014, 12:06:12 AM
Given the circumstances surrounding the departure of the two previous directors, one would think that candidates would be chosen who are as "pure as Caesar's wife".  This situation casts doubt not only the Bitcoin Foundation, but on the entire Bitcoin Community.

Nay, the whole human race.

Save the Human Race!
Stop Brock from getting elected.

Seriously, someone with his background is really close to getting accepted on the Bitcoin Foundation?
How?
Why?
You must be joking?


Title: Re: Has The Bitcoin Foundation lost its fuckin' mind...
Post by: Hippie Tech on May 06, 2014, 12:29:49 AM
Then why is the vatican legal ? :P

Sell the vatican.. feed the World.

http://youtu.be/3bObItmxAGc

Care to guess who said the following?

Quote
[P]rostitution, adultery, necrophilia, bestiality, possession of child pornography, and even incest and pedophilia ... should be legal as long as no one is coerced. They are illegal only because of prejudice and narrowmindedness.
Some rules might be called for when these acts directly affect other people's interests. For incest, contraception could be mandatory to avoid risk of inbreeding. For prostitution, a license should be required to ensure prostitutes get regular medical check-ups, and they should have training and support in insisting on use of condoms. This will be an advance in public health, compared with the situation today.

For necrophilia, it might be necessary to ask the next of kin for permission if the decedent's will did not authorize it. Necrophilia would be my second choice for what should be done with my corpse, the first being scientific or medical use. Once my dead body is no longer of any use to me, it may as well be of some use to someone. Besides, I often enjoy rhinophytonecrophilia (nasal sex with dead plants).

Quote
I am skeptical of the claim that voluntarily pedophilia harms children. The arguments that it causes harm seem to be based on cases which aren't voluntary, which are then stretched by parents who are horrified by the idea that their little baby is maturing.

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There is little evidence to justify the widespread assumption that willing participation in pedophilia hurts children.

Granted, children may not dare say no to an older relative, or may not realize they could say no; in that case, even if they do not overtly object, the relationship may still feel imposed to them. That's not willing participation, it's imposed participation, a different issue.

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I've read that male dolphins try to have sex with humans, and female apes solicit sex from humans. What is wrong with giving them what they want, if that's what turns you on, or even just to gratify them?

That sounds like something Crowley or one of the inbred royals would say...

http://yro-beta.slashdot.org/story/13/07/30/1228217/thailand-government-declares-bitcoin-illegal

https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7189/14114934435_279b277110_b.jpg

Brock Pierce overseeing Mount Coxs and a board member of The Bitcoin Foundation would give the media a field day.

BP will serve as a BTC self destruct button if/when they realize that cryptos cannot be controlled. Talk about a FUD bomb..


Title: Re: Has The Bitcoin Foundation lost its fuckin' mind...
Post by: Phinnaeus Gage on May 06, 2014, 02:00:21 AM
Then why is the vatican legal ? :P

Sell the vatican.. feed the World.

http://youtu.be/3bObItmxAGc

Care to guess who said the following?

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[P]rostitution, adultery, necrophilia, bestiality, possession of child pornography, and even incest and pedophilia ... should be legal as long as no one is coerced. They are illegal only because of prejudice and narrowmindedness.
Some rules might be called for when these acts directly affect other people's interests. For incest, contraception could be mandatory to avoid risk of inbreeding. For prostitution, a license should be required to ensure prostitutes get regular medical check-ups, and they should have training and support in insisting on use of condoms. This will be an advance in public health, compared with the situation today.

For necrophilia, it might be necessary to ask the next of kin for permission if the decedent's will did not authorize it. Necrophilia would be my second choice for what should be done with my corpse, the first being scientific or medical use. Once my dead body is no longer of any use to me, it may as well be of some use to someone. Besides, I often enjoy rhinophytonecrophilia (nasal sex with dead plants).

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I am skeptical of the claim that voluntarily pedophilia harms children. The arguments that it causes harm seem to be based on cases which aren't voluntary, which are then stretched by parents who are horrified by the idea that their little baby is maturing.

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There is little evidence to justify the widespread assumption that willing participation in pedophilia hurts children.

Granted, children may not dare say no to an older relative, or may not realize they could say no; in that case, even if they do not overtly object, the relationship may still feel imposed to them. That's not willing participation, it's imposed participation, a different issue.

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I've read that male dolphins try to have sex with humans, and female apes solicit sex from humans. What is wrong with giving them what they want, if that's what turns you on, or even just to gratify them?

That sounds like something Crowley or one of the inbred royals would say...

http://yro-beta.slashdot.org/story/13/07/30/1228217/thailand-government-declares-bitcoin-illegal

https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7189/14114934435_279b277110_b.jpg

Brock Pierce overseeing Mount Coxs and a board member of The Bitcoin Foundation would give the media a field day.

BP will serve as a BTC self destruct button if/when they realize that cryptos cannot be controlled. Talk about a FUD bomb..

..., ergo my adamant stance.


Title: Re: Has The Bitcoin Foundation lost its fuckin' mind...
Post by: Bit_Happy on May 06, 2014, 06:50:01 AM
When is the run-off vote, and do we have (public) access to contact info for every member of the foundation?


Title: Re: Has The Bitcoin Foundation lost its fuckin' mind...
Post by: Phinnaeus Gage on May 06, 2014, 08:20:13 AM
When is the run-off vote, and do we have (public) access to contact info for every member of the foundation?

Not sure, but unless The Bitcoin Foundation has truly lost its fuckin' mind, Brock Pierce's name won't be on the next ballot.


Title: Re: Has The Bitcoin Foundation lost its fuckin' mind...
Post by: MRKLYE on May 06, 2014, 08:33:08 AM
I say for one we abolish this silly bitcoin foundation and elect Phinnaeus Gage as supreme overlord of BTC!


Title: Re: Has The Bitcoin Foundation lost its fuckin' mind...
Post by: Bit_Happy on May 06, 2014, 08:36:56 AM
When is the run-off vote, and do we have (public) access to contact info for every member of the foundation?

Not sure, but unless The Bitcoin Foundation has truly lost its fuckin' mind, Brock Pierce's name won't be on the next ballot.

Perhaps he is a rising star, not ment to be stopped?
Maybe he's on a special assignment and for the greater good we shouldn't question his arrival?  :P


Title: Re: Has The Bitcoin Foundation lost its fuckin' mind...
Post by: Phinnaeus Gage on May 06, 2014, 08:49:36 AM
I say for one we abolish this silly bitcoin foundation and elect Phinnaeus Gage as supreme overlord of BTC!

Don't make me vet that goat fucker!


Title: Re: Has The Bitcoin Foundation lost its fuckin' mind...
Post by: BitOnyx on May 06, 2014, 10:28:58 AM
We can not put any kind of presume on this foundation. It is their foundation and to be honest best thing we can do is to ignore it or create alternative one.


Title: Re: Has The Bitcoin Foundation lost its fuckin' mind...
Post by: bananas on May 07, 2014, 01:12:13 PM
to late!

Or people can just not use bitcoin-qt. Let the foundation play in their own bitcoin-qt only network.

It is just a private group of scammers and other kind of criminals, as other poster said their group name is just to cause confusion. But it is worrying 'cause as far as i know core developers are founding members of such group. We can't let bitcoin development in their hands.
The Bitcoin Foundation pays Gavin and other developers to contribute to the protocol and client. Without the foundation, Bitcoin development and growth would decrease dramatically. Heartbleed could have been avoided if more donations (https://www.openssl.org/support/donations.html) were made to the OpenSSL foundation. If you want to stop using bitcoin-qt go ahead...you are still using the blockchain. I encourage both of you to donate to either of these foundations and keep your insipid drivel out of the forums.

Donate to a foundation with criminal records and merely private interests. You gotta be kidding?


Title: Re: Has The Bitcoin Foundation lost its fuckin' mind...
Post by: IIOII on May 07, 2014, 01:45:03 PM
To pay developers all they need is to post a donation address. Nobody needs a foundation for this.

TBF is a closed circle following a questionable political agenda which is not in the best interest of the bitcoin community as a whole (e.g. "regulation").


Title: Re: Has The Bitcoin Foundation lost its fuckin' mind...
Post by: Omnikron on May 07, 2014, 02:23:42 PM
Interesting to know


Title: Re: Has The Bitcoin Foundation lost its fuckin' mind...
Post by: martinnew on May 07, 2014, 02:25:38 PM
I think as long as BTC is hitting high and people are earning, why care for such foundation. :P


Title: Re: Has The Bitcoin Foundation lost its fuckin' mind...
Post by: BADecker on May 07, 2014, 02:41:39 PM
As far as I'm concerned the Bitcoin Foundation is irrelevant, they only have their name to make people think they are something to do with Bitcoin, it's a bit like how the Federal Reserve uses the word 'Federal' to make people think they're part of the government. Speaking as someone who holds to mainly Anarchist beliefs, they can fuck off, I can see exactly what they're trying to do and they're trying to make some kind of centralised company or group for Bitcoin itself, I'm grateful the devs don't really seem to give a shit and continue to release the code open source.

What you say is true. But we need somebody to explain this to people in general, big time. What kind of a method would work, to explain I mean?

The bigger and more popular the Foundation gets, the more they centralize Bitcoin. Why? Because the PEOPLE are so used to centralization, that they naturally look for something centralized to be a leader. Just look at all the business exchanges do.

The Foundation is NOT irrelevant. It's downright dangerous to the little bit of freedom that Bitcoin has brought into being among us.

:)


Title: Re: Has The Bitcoin Foundation lost its fuckin' mind...
Post by: Polycoin on May 07, 2014, 06:29:11 PM
GO bitcoinfoundation, they'r the best thing to ever happen to bitcoin.


Title: Re: Has The Bitcoin Foundation lost its fuckin' mind...
Post by: Bit_Happy on May 07, 2014, 06:33:20 PM
GO bitcoinfoundation, they'r the best thing to ever happen to bitcoin.

Why do you say the Bitcoin Foundation is the best thing to ever happen to bitcoin....?
Are you serious?
Is MtGox also the best exchange ever?


Title: Re: Has The Bitcoin Foundation lost its fuckin' mind...
Post by: Phinnaeus Gage on May 07, 2014, 08:15:11 PM
GO bitcoinfoundation, they'r the best thing to ever happen to bitcoin.

Why do you say the Bitcoin Foundation is the best thing to ever happen to bitcoin....?
Are you serious?
Is MtGox also the best exchange ever?

Not sure about the latter, but Bitcoin-Central has the entire European theatre covered with their venerable exchange as seen below.

http://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/bitcoin-central.net

https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7370/14129146851_6432e2812e_b.jpg-

Bitcoin-Central.net (& .com) is own by davout, of which is owned by Paymium, of which davout is an owner. Bitcoin Central is the only entity left of the five that Paymium built with their $400K USD VC from Gilitt. Then again, what would one expect to have with ONLY $400K USD?

https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5491/14129562872_72ea969539_b.jpg

The way I'm seeing it is that the only people living high on the hog are the ones acting as the liaison between the VCs and the end users of any products/services provided, with many of them getting the shaft.

Sunlot is no better, for if you research their VCs, you see a many failed ventures as well. I firmly believe that Autumn Radtke knew it, thus decided to commit suicide(?) with her body found here:

https://encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRdbcf7pbETM_I1-hEdpPKgV_26la0Vgvq9SXde5SQ29UjnhdZM

Autumn jumped(?) from her 25th story apartment and the wind carried her body two blocks away and landed here. Note to self: Very windy in Singapore.


Title: Re: Has The Bitcoin Foundation lost its fuckin' mind...
Post by: Polycoin on May 07, 2014, 08:47:18 PM
GO bitcoinfoundation, they'r the best thing to ever happen to bitcoin.

Why do you say the Bitcoin Foundation is the best thing to ever happen to bitcoin....?
Are you serious?
Is MtGox also the best exchange ever?

No MtGox was a horrible trajedy.

The Bitcoin foundation however, has been instrumental is spreading bitcoin, they are our dear leaders. Go bitcoin foundation!