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What are the minimum requirements for selling your signature space to advertisers?  I'm curious as to how this actually works and if you actually get paid? All it basically comes down to is, your promoting they're services right?

You get paid, you make posts, then as that happens, they will pay your the necessary amount. It actually works or it wouldn't be so popular, and you do promote their services. You must be member at least, or about 2 months for that status.

Upcoming, you need to check over in the "services" thread and see which one appeals to you.  Many are closed to new members but as you post more over time you'll become eligible.  Their pay rates and requirements do change from time to time.

Yes they are legit, and do pay, and are one of the best ways I know to get a few bitcents to help you explore the world of bitcoin.  You are correct, it is promotional in nature.

Good Luck!

You need to be at least a member to qualify for most of them
Don't spam, the mods are coming down had on that now and may ban you
Services section is what you keep an eye on

Overall its better just have higher activity to show your advertiser that your in it for the long run.

But you should be able to start when you hit member status.

Heres just a tip on increasing on the status. You can try the auction thread, with offering that spot in the mean time, until you do hit member status.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=559624.0

Also being above senior status does help and a contributing member if you wanna sell it for alot more

Look for the services available at the moment.You might get interested in one of them as some of them offer good rates,that's my opinion.

As far as i saw minimum requirement is Jr. Member status but most of the signature campaign require at least Member status and you must have no negative feedback, you must have at least neutral feedbacks. You mostly get paid every month but some of the campaign pay every 1-2 weeks but the rates are much lower. Signature advertising Is just a way to earn some extra bitcoins while you post, discuss, share ideas or ask a question on the threads just like you always did before getting a signature, you shouldn't try posting as much post as possible useless/junky posts just because of the signature as this is against the rules and you'll get banned. Posts must be constructive.

The current competing pay per post campaigns:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=600446.0
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=499007.0
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=291387.0

Please do not sign up with the goal of making as much as possible, you will be flagged for spam pretty soon. :)

The better ones are the ones that pay you a fixed week per week/month.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=606878.0
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=586898.0
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=530420.0

Also, this thread pays you per review:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=596761.0

Go to the marketplace then services, you will find there all the offers and the requairements. I think most requaire unleast member status.
Good luck!

Most are member status requirement, I suggest auctioning the signature space if you are a Jr.Member and make your own thread like this.

Some already do this in the "auction thread".

But stating a reasonable amount, not like .1 or anything dumb high obvious amount.

Take the offers, until you get member status and then pick up from there.
 
Most are at Ritz and Primedice so you cant go wrong with either one.

U need to have 60 activity ...simple :)

Yes we are promoting their service and sometimes using them too ;)

Is there anybody paying for tweets? I have over 27K (real) followers.

How much do you charge for a tweet?

I just joined ritz signature campaign, since I noticed all the positive responses.

I suggest you do the same, once your a member like others have mentioned.

Another note to consider is the payout is pretty much matching up with primedice, if others are comparing it based on rate per post.

Most of them require you to be a member (60 activity), while a few others have higher or lower requirements.


It is simple. You first need to enroll in a program and put the ads in your signature space.
The business (usually a casino) can then get more attentions when you make posts here.

There were a few scammers that didn't pay the participants, so you should better join one of those popular programs (rather than a new program offered by a newbie). :)

You can check here the best rates: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=333916.0

From my experience, I haven't had any campaigns that didn't follow through with their agreement. With that said, each advertiser has different requirements. Some require 0 posts, others 50. Some require certain activity levels and others don't. It just varies.

usually signature sellers requires member status or greater and constructive posts, and minimum posts to get paid, plus now roll over. Most of payments are monthly, some are weekly. Few signature campaigns are for senior and hero members only, and requires at least some number of posts(typically 50) to payout.
There is a post gathering all confirmed sign campaigns:


https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=333916.0

I wish people wouldn't claim that listing is "all" of them. It's not. There are others that aren't on the list (and that are confirmed paying) as well. The best way to find all of them is to check out the services section of the forums.

Plus, there are coins that are released with IPOs that are basically paying for signature space.

I 100% agree with this statement.

fyi, your title is relevant to how much you get paid per post (with most campaigns), so you'll have to stick around for a long time if you want to get paid well. you generate 14 activity points every 2 weeks, which means 1 per day.. so after a year, you'd have 365 activity posts (if you are active).

If you are a Hero member, then you can get as much as BTC0.0014 per post. That is equivalent to $0.63 per post. This rate is much higher than what you'll get for normal forum posting jobs ($0.15 to $0.20).

It's worth mentioning that it will take like 1.5 years for a new member to get to hero status, so while this is true, it's not really feasible for short-term.

Those signature campaign mostly need constructive post. It can be hard to get constructive posts. Still, a good way for forum user to earn some small amount of bitcoins through posting in the forum.

Well, as i'm doing this stuff for a bit now, I can tell that you are getting pay'd significantly better when you are a Sr. Member/Hero, and another tip: Try someone else every month, becouse another person may have better terms in the period you've been at the other dude, this is not always the case, if not just stay at your current guy.

Also, only promote stuff you feel like is trustworthy, like some did Inputs.IO and when it went bad they got a bad name for representing that company, so be carefull if you want to have some sort of value :D

Hehe, prior to the current provider (which is super low pay and I am looking elsewhere), I had TradeFortress and Bitcoinsports.eu -- guess how that went!?!?!  :P

I was never not paid by TF. I can't speak for Bitcoinsports though. I skip campaigns a lot depending on what's on offer at the time, so I had moved from TF's like a couple days before "the situation that shall not be talked of" happened.

It seems BitcoinLiveBets is paying just 0.002 BTC a month, which is really really low...
Just curious, why did you join it?

Funny, I did BitcoinLiveBets for a while too. It was because I also fell victim to both TF and bitcoinsports.eu and was so tired of giving away a month and getting nothing that I wanted to be paid up front. BitcoinLiveBets pays up front (or at least used to). Also uised to pay more.

Yeah that was the thing. I got shafted for over 2 months from 2 different services and started to assume that all the sig services were straight up scams. So I jumped at one that paid up front. Just to get something at all

I plan to sign up for something else when I am a Sr member soon. But honestly am already prepared to do another free month of work yet again

So much scams here

The highest pay is Updown's program (0.0012 per post for sr member) while PD has a better reputation and longer history (0.001 per post).
Choose the one you like more ;)

If you stick with the more well known ones you are best off. But then again, TF's was well reputable when it went under as well...

RitzGrandCasino is paying for real, but you, we must be full member....

Just look around for the best deal for you. If you make 50 or so posts a month go for a fixed deal. If you make more than 100 go for a pay-per-post option. Look around and see what deals have paid out consistently and don't ever jump on brand new deals that are offering the most as there's a good chance they'll be scams, but Ritz and Updown.bit proved the opposite on this. It's always best to wait for at least one confirmed payout though.

There's a new and updated signature deal thread located here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=615953.0

Is there no deals at all for Junr Members or is Members the earliest?

I think Bitcoin-Scratchticket is the only deal that accepts Newbies and Jnrs but you don't get much, but they have a referral program too: https://bitcoin-scratchticket.com/#signature

True. The pay is very low, and you need to make 25 posts a week.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=493236.0

There is a few that support Jr members... The one I have now supports and pay up front

When I am allowed I will be posting with sig space sold, it is good way to earn some bitcoin for being constructive.

If you are a newbie there are no signature programs. You could try a referral link which earns per click;
I think I have seen some for Jr. Members;

If you are a member you have several signature programs with different payout programs. Some are pay per post, others are a static amount of money. For example, Ritz, in my signature pays per post. The requirements are just to become a member. To become a member all you need is to wait about ~2 months (stay logged in on the site for as long as possible) and post occasionally  :)
 

there is only one very low paying service for Jr. Members and Newbies. once you attain Member ranking, there are more options, and most options are available to Full Members. there is a thread in the marketplace forum that serves as an overview of the signature campaigns

Newbies cant even have links in their sig. Jnrs can though.

Every advertising campaign has their own rules, you should read their individual terms in their own posts in the Service section of the Market place.

The funny and sad thing is that OP has used his account to scam others (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=618037.0), and earned himself a negative trust.

So, he won't be able to join a sig program with it, and looks like he has already abandoned the account as well. :)

Most programs require you to be a "Member' at least.Currently Primedice and Updown are the two best and most trusted signature space buyers.You can check from blockchain about their payment proof.

Updown offers the highest pay rate per post, but it is not really the most trusted IMO because it is still very new (less than 1 month).

Also, he raised payout rates and Ritz dropped the campaign at the same time. So a million people joined and he is way behind confirming them. Lots of confusion right now. Hopefully it all gets sorted out.

i imagine newbies will never really get a decent deal going because they can't even have links in their signatures. so they are pretty much useless as advertisers, to be honest.

I'm feeling good with PrimeDice, maybe it hasn't the best rates but the "dev" is well known and trusted by a large amount of positive feedbacks.

Gonna have to suck it up and put your time in. I think you can become a Member within about 2 months. Either that, or head over to the Digital Goods forum and buy a higher ranking forum account (before that practice gets banned :P)

It might not be the highest paid deal currently but it was for a long time and hopefully will be again soon. I respect Stunna more than any other sig operator here, plus I never have to worry about getting paid at the end of the month as I've never ever had an issue or problem with him so far. To me that reassurance is worth a lot.

I agree, there is a couple of signature campaigns that did not pay out, it is the best to choose one that you trust most. In this case, I also trust Stunna's signature campaign.

Yes, Stunna is definitely the most trustworthy -- he's been part of the community for a long time now. I saw that UpDown.bt was paying out and decided to take a shot. I've received one weekly payment so far, more or less on time. :D

A few people seem to be complaining about UpDown at the moment though after not receiving payouts amongst other things, but maybe they're just being impatient. I don't think people realise how hard and time consuming running a sig campaig must be.

I skimmed through the thread and it seems like a crazy amount of people joined and he hasn't been able (or willing) to confirm them all. I don't think he ever posted a limit on the number of participants.... bet he's thinking about it now.

Whats the most have someone made? just curious, cause I obviously cant get there right now.

Or average btc earned.

I know people who can earn 0.5 btc/month with signatures, but I'm sure there are many who have much higher gains...

Hard to give an average because some posters only do the minimum 50 posts a month, but most probably do a couple hundred or so, but there's a few users who do well over a thousand a month including me. Bryant.coleman earned over 2btc last month and that's the highest payout I've ever seen.

Wow, how do you make over a thousand? Are they all constructive?

I could never get up to Updown.bt's posting limits, even the old ones. They are now at 200/week. Prior to that, it was 3000/month. Seems pretty tough to me to post that often and truly keep it constructive.

It depends highly on how much time you have, and which boards interest you. Well, that's what I think.

Takes some serious dedication too, haha. I couldn't do it either. I saw someone got paid out almost .9 BTC for one week under updown.bt's program. That's just crazy to me. That's like 100 posts a day!

just put the ads in your signature space
and sign up on the thread  (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=600446.0)
it's very easy :)

OP is not a member yet, he can't sign up.

Yep. I could see it being very frustrating. I was on the forum before signature campaigns took off in full force and before the activity system. Joining now as a newbie and seeing that I wouldn't become a member for 6+ weeks would be a bit discouraging. C'est la vie, I guess. Or, you could always buy someone else's account, I guess.

Hmm, that's too many for me, too. It takes me a all-nighter to sometimes get twenty posts, and that's only if I'm interested in something.

Me too. I sometimes set out with the intention of posting quite a bit (because, like you, I am advertising as well :P), but usually it dies down and I end up mostly lurking. Oh well.  :)

lowest paying (that is worth it) is for Member accounts, but it gets much better at the Full Member and Senior Member levels. it's too bad that it takes several months activity to get to those levels.

Agree. I think it was a bit better in 2011-2012, I think this was when PD was the only campaign, and you could get paid a good amount just based on your post count. Which was golden.

This is why I never got into those "pay per post" kind of things. It's much better now that there are programs (like GAW Miners' ;)) that just give you a flat payout if you reach the minimum posts. I'm not a 1000 post/month kinda guy, lol.

Yes it depends on how many posts are you doing weekly on average.
Just make your calculations and compare the flat gain with the potential pay per post one, and make your wise decision.

Read my posts and you tell me. As long as you put a bit of thought into them and they're relevant you should be fine. If you don't though you'll be banned pretty quickly. The forum has been cracking down on spammers pretty hard as of late.


The fixed payout deals are great if you only make 50 or so posts a month. Not so much if you do that in a day though  :D. The fixed deals also probably cut down on spam, but the operators don't get as much advertising as the pay per post ones. Maybe more deals will change to the fixed rate model with the price rises and stuff. At least they can budget how much they're going to pay out if they cap the number of participants too.

Up down pays

Hero members will receive: 0.0014BTC  = 0.62 USD
Senior:    0.0012BTC  = 0.53 USD
Full:        0.0008BTC  = 0.35 USD
Members: 0.0006BTC =   0.26 USD   

With a 200 post limit at senior level that's $100 usd per week, is signature campaigns really worth it. How long does it take to get to each of these member statuses? To reach jnr member is it based on how long you are active or is it a set time?

You can only get upto a max of 14 activity points per two week period. The next period starts on June 10th. The following will be a timetable for you providing you make the required posts:

1 X 14 = 14 You are here now
2 X 14 = 28
3 X 14 = 42 Jnr Member [June 24th]
4 X 14 = 56
5 X 14 = 70 Member [July 22nd]
6 X 14 = 84
7 X 14 = 98
8 X 14 = 112
9 X 14 = 126 Full Member [sept 16th]

Apart from the advertizement benefits for the operator, people should not forget that this is also a reward program.

Most of us have jobs and families. Our time spend researching things and commenting on forums like these, should be rewarded.

In the process, you are saving other people time, because they do not have to research these on their time.

And in the process, companies get exposure.

The "waiting" period is a shlep, sorry for the slang  ;D But it's necessary to keep things in control. It's just a pity that new people cannot be "reviewed" to be fast tracked to senior levels, based on there background and knowledge on the subject.

What does shlep mean? I've never heard that before.

Thanks for quoting this, its really helped me to understand how system work.

You can try to use google.
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/shlep

For most of the deals, you can join as a member. You can join the scratchticket one if you have 25 activity.

For most of the deals, you need to make 50 constructive posts in a month to get paid.

Is it possible for someone to be declined a signature deal because of the content of their posts? Obviously if someone is just posting one sentence long posts/spam then I can understand but what if someone posts a lot about technical-heavy subjects (ie. programming, cryptography, mathematics, economics, etc.) that ordinary people wouldn't bother to read?

I can't imagine there would be a problem with that. Usually, the emphasis is on "constructive" -- and I see no reason why more technical content shouldn't fit that definition.

It would definitely not count as non-constructive. Non constructive posts are clear spam / rubbish, it's very noticeable.

Why would that matter? Probably the better the quality of posts the better for the companies.

Also you have to make a distinction between long posts and spam posts. Spam posts on forums are often not long messages, rather than 1 word, an image, trolling / flaming. A long post with a meaningful content relevant to the thread's topic is never a spam post.

With the price of bitcoin on the rise, and competition for signature campaigns waning a bit from the peak (several have dropped out or are having issues with timely/accurate payouts), I'd say it's only going to get tougher for Newbies from here. Get that activity up! ;)

Even though Ritz is out of the sig market now, the competition is still very intense and Stunna mentioned the pay rate of PD program will be increased.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=291387.msg6924935#msg6924935

The thing is is that you cant rush activity though. You can only bide your time to collect it.

Well you can always buy an account but i recommend that you just earn your activity. Itll be worth it eventually.

True signature campaigns should be using this techniwue and paying people with higher activity rather than post count.

They do pay people higher by activity. I think all deals do this and there's ones that pay for a minimum 50 posts rather than per.

Generally speaking, accounts with a higher rank (higher activity) get a higher payment.

Some programs pay per post (eg. PD), some pay per activity point (eg. BitMixer), some pay the same amount as long as you meet the min requirement (eg. GAW for 50+ posts a month).

For details, you'd better check https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=615953.0

Gaw still pay higher depending on Membergroup. It's double between Full and Snr/Hero:

0.05BTC per month for posting with our signature as Full Member
0.1BTC per month for posting with our signature as Senior or Hero Member

Most of the accounts being sold are so cheap that you'd break even quite quickly with many of the ongoing campaigns. However there's a huge risk buying accounts, they can always be recovered, if someone catches you you'll get red trust etc.

I dont think the accounts are cheap but you can make your money back pretty quickly.

Cheap as in relative to the amount of time it would take to earn back.

I would love to do this. Seems a long way off for me though right now  :-[

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One and a half month? Post a few times each day and you're there, no probs. Doesn't require a lot of work, just commitment. It's profitable in the end if your plan is to earn btc through campaigns.

He won't reach member rank in 1.5 months. It should take at least 2 months.

28 activity the first 2 week period (this one), + 14 + 14 + 14 in 6 weeks, 70 activity, isn't that so?

He joined and made his first post on Jun 3, he can get at most 14 activity until next period starts on Jun 10.

Generally you need to be a member on the forums for at least 4 weeks plus one day and have at least 30 posts. You will also have to post at least once during each of the two week windows that you are a member.

The above will qualify you to be a Jr. Member and the campaigns will pay the least although most campaigns will not allow Jr Members to participate in a signature campaign.

In order to become a Member you will need to do double the above, members will earn a little bit more then Jr. Members. Being a member is usually the lowest rank to qualify for a signature campaign.

i am confused about earning.can any one explain how can i earn.lot of thing i have read.one thing sell signature space for advertiser and second thing join campaign for earning.or just writing post for earning.? please explain

1. Get 60 activity and reach member rank.
2. Join a signature program (eg. PD: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=291387.0)
3. Make constructive posts and get paid.

Or you can try to increase your referrals like freebitco.in outside from signatures.

Been there, done that. As much as I appreciate the .00015 or so that shows up in my wallet every day or two, I don't know that it's worth the time. But YMMV.

It's not really time consuming if you put it on an already existing website / blog. Passive incomes are always worth the time imo. :)

There is at least one also for 25 activity. so perfect to start with.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=615953.0

It's already in the compilation list. It's a good thing to have till you're member. You can always gamble with the small earnings to increase them, if you like.

I only mention it, if you can pay for the advertising for better adverts.

You need a strategy to get 1,000 referrals obviously, but its def worth the time if you get 1 btc out of it or 0.8 like the tops ones do.

The pay rate is quite low for the scratch ticket program.
Btw, there is a new sig program opening to jr members https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=645147.0 :)

just put the ads in your signature space
and searh signature in https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?board=52.0
it's very easy  :)

Just be warned with new signature campaigns. They can have you advertise for a month and then disappear without paying.  The income for sig campaigns should be incidental - you should not post spam posts and "me too" or "+1" replies to pad your post count.

Or even easier, you can check the thread https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=615953.0 from time to time.
The thread is updated very frequently as I can see. :)

Well there is still campaign where you can get paid if you are even a newbie, but if you want to make little more cash the PD campaign is still open for members. If you want you can join us and get paid simply by posting. I think you can rely on Stunna ( Primedice ceo). You are getting paid every 17 th if you have a minimum of 50 posts made the previous month. The deal is to put link to his site in your signature and that is it :)
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That's true.
Those spam posts are usually excluded in calculating your sig payment, and you may get kicked out of the sig campaign if your post quality is really bad. At worst, your account can get temp-banned or perm-banned for spamming.

you are newbie member here now you can join one of the signature promotion which are paying to Jr and newbie member . you can earn some money with your signature promotion but be aware don't try to make spam here ! please read carefully forum rules and follow these so you will enjoy lots this forum :)

Its bad practice i think, i got only sites that i like, noone paying me for this. Community should be community, not pursuers (posters) for profit

Why not get the best of both worlds, and profit by advertising a business that's good for the community?
Gambling websites are an important contribution to the relevance of cryptocurrencies, since dealing with fiat on them can be quite inconveniant.

Signature ad does have bring some advantages and some disadvantages to the forum community.
IMO. the main advantage is that it allows bitcoin business (casinos, exchanges, mixers, miners, etc) to get advertised more easily; while the biggest disadvantage is that it encourages spam and pointless posts.

Yeah that's true, but most of them don't pay the pointless posts though.

However, sig campaign organizers usually can't review every post every participant has written, thus many spammers still thrive... until we get them ;D.

Well, it isn't a bad practice, many signature campaigns have limits which prevents spammers. They would also require constructive posts to qualify for a payout. There isn't much to earn from them and there is not much trusted campaigns around. I doubt there will be as much responses to discuss about things if there are no signature campaigns. People would most likely be motivated to post and contribute more to the community.

True, especially for sig campaign with a long list of participants like PD, and AFAIK there were a handful of persons able to make 1000 posts a month. :D
Now, with a much lower post cap, the problem should be less severe hopefully.

Yeah, there's been some no-pay situations to be sure, and Updown.bt is still kind of up in the air. Hopefully he clears everything up. Re: spamming, I've seen quite a few accounts banned, who were clearly grinding out that signature ad money... :)

As above it's good for the bitcoin economy. Maybe one day there will be more advertisers than just  bitcoin casinos and miners.

This is true, there are limits (Usually 100 posts/payout) and there are constructive post requirements. I know because I've been assisting in managing a campaign for the past two weeks, going into my third week. However, there are some trusted campaigns that do exist, regardless if they're just starting out or not. You have to look, but a week of lost time probably won't be too damaging on someone if there isn't a payout. Unless you really need the BTC, in which case there's not a lot you can do about it. Look for a trusted campaign, and hope you can still speak yourself in.
Yeah, I've seen lots of said posters who spammed to grind out some ad money. It's kind of a letdown to see, but there are some people that are in just for the profit. As for UpDown, I haven't been following that, so I can't say anything with confidence.
It would be wonderful to have more people providing advertising instead of just mining companies and gambling companies. Even if there where some exchanges that opened up ad campaigns for people, I would definitely spice up the market place. And even individual merchants advertising their stores or services wouldn't be bad either. The problem is, there are so many campaigns with extremely large payouts, is that it becomes difficult for advertisers without a large amount of capital to compete with the other campaigns.

I think that's because mining and casinos are two of the biggest or more profitable businesses right now. This will chnage as bitcoin grows so i'd expect to see a host of different companies advertising here.

It seems like I`m so far away.. from getting any btc going on lol.

Faucets suck too.

Yeah, faucets won't get you too far. As far as signature ads, there are accounts being bought/sold in the digital goods subforum. It's sort of frowned upon, but I get the feeling that more than a few newbies have gone that route.

My personal opinion here is signature campaign do help admins for their ultimate purpose of increasing traffic.

It is not the way to beg few pennys but to encourage new bee also to take interest in such activities .

Any business works well if they have supporters. signature campaign results in creating lots of supporters for that particular business.

It is basically low cost medium of advertising business and there is nothing wrong there
 

I wouldn't suggest newbies to buy a "higher rank" account at all.
The account seller could get the accounts back at any time in the future (FYI: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=497545.0), and also the account could get negative trust and become worthless if the account sale is made public.

If the writing style changes, change in IP address or much active than before, it can be a sign of the account being stolen or bought. Not accurate though, but a likely sign. Newbies shouldn't buy that since they may not be able to get constructive post.

Well not the easiest thing, to get into a proper paying signature campaign though.

But it's possible.

Only theymos can see the IPs, and I think neither him or any staff member will hunt sold accounts, since it is allowed in the forum rules. Others signals may or may not be accurate, deppending of how popular the former owner was.

But the constructive posts stuff is something you have to think, you don't know if the bought account have been banned before, so your new ban can be a very long one, or maybe a permanent one.

Then why do you they allow it in the 1st place? I dont get it.. lol.

Please check https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=303414.msg3269475#msg3269475.

I wasn't really suggesting anything. Just pointing out that it's done and that it's frowned upon. But it is allowed. It does take a certain level of trust in the account seller since, yes, they can recover the account by signing a transaction from an address linked to the account. But they won't get very far selling accounts that way.

Their own reason is because they can't keep track of ALL account sales and trades. From my own point of view why wouldn't it be allowed? A forum account has a value, therefore you should be able to sell it.

from a purely libertarian standpoint, this would be the case. however, there are some considerations -- buying a trusted forum account could potentially set people up to get scammed, since no one would be aware that the account had changed hands.

It doesn't even take that long to "earn" your way up to member status anyway, and in the time you spend getting your rank up there you can learn a lot by reading these forums.

Well, it does take some time. 2 months, I believe, since you can earn 14 activity your first day as a newbie. So, 8 weeks to get to 70 activity (56 is the last level, so still a junior member at that point). I don't disagree though. 2 months isn't that long, and you do learn a lot in the meantime, surely.

The rankings are structured this way (IMO) at least partly to allow for people to get to understand how bitcoin works prior to earning a higher rank.

I think it was more so a direct response to signature advertising programs -- which is why activity is linked to signature permissions (font size, colors, links, etc). Spam ties into this as well.

Just a quick question:

Are posts in the off-topic forum included or excluded when earning from a sig campaign?

I can't say for sure for all of them, but generally, they are included. I have heard of people being banned for spamming when posting too much in Off-Topic, so be careful, LOL. :)

Can you really make thousands with it?
I'm interested to also do this as I've seen threads buying signature space. and will they also be willing to pay for signatures to other business forums?

No but you can make some Bitcoins
(too much time in activity to those high tiers)
But if bitcoin price goes up could be worth thousands in the future.

I believe so. one reason i am trying to get into it. 1 bitcoin is currently equivalent to $600+. IF it rises in the future one, bitcoin can give me much.

There are usually limits and they don't pay as much as thousands, I don't believe they would allow you to cash out thousands. Also, not much people can manage that much constructive posts.

Most or all of the pay-per-post programs now have a weekly or monthly limit, so for some, the gravy train is over. :P Indeed, I've seen more than a few people banned (for spamming) trying to crank out posts for signature payouts.

You can make hundreds.  But it is easy to get in trouble by posting too much.  Off topic seems to have become a magnet for people making dozens of marginal posts in an effort to get paid for their signature space.  I have not seen any that pay for other forums but I guess you could ask.

Good Luck!

i kind of like mine blank. :)

The advertise to them is actually cheap , Its all about multimedea effect .

If you are looking to make money with BTC than i have to say that Getting paid for signature space is not enough. You can earn a little amount through signature space. I think mining is a better option.

The mining profitability is a lot lower now, unlike 1 or 2 years ago. It is hard to break even for most options.

Not really, i see it as a different things.

In signature campaign you don't need anything besides btctalk account, no need to invest, nothing to lose. It is like a job.
Mining is like an investment, you need a large sum of money to do it, it's risky too, and even if its profitable, it will take a long time.

So IMO it is two different things, and to make money i think signature ads still better than mining :)

If we're talking about investing, I'd much prefer to buy and hold (and trade a portion to hedge/exploit volatility). Mining ain't what it used to be. Too many big operations inflating difficulty. Run the numbers before you invest in mining hardware....

Not true, mining have much much more risk than signature payment. For example, difficulty suddenly increases a lot, electrical cost suddenly increase, ASICs not getting delivered. It is possible you might never make ROI. Signature campaigns however only require you to post in this forum, there isn't much risk. AFAIK, Stunna 's primedice campaign pays 0.48 max, that is already quite some money.

i just buy bitcoins and sit on em till theyre worth 10x what i bought em for. worked so far. 8)

With mining you have to put some kind of capital to risk. You either need to pay for the miner in fiat or use bitcoin to purchase the miner. You would then need to hope that the difficulty does not rise fast enough so that you will not reach ROI (more likely then not it will). With signature space all you are risking is the time that you are spending on these forums, which is time that you should be spending here regardless.

In short, mining and joining a sig campaign are two completely different things.
Buying cloud hashrate or ASIC is an investment, while joining a sig campaign is like a part-time job.

I just want to test out how to reply to a post. :-\

Not really, if someone was going to be posting here anyway and they happen to get paid for it then it's more like a hobby with perks where the money is a side effect rather than a job.

Mining can also be a hobby rather than an investment. This is especially true for those who use USB miners.

If you'd actually want to try cloud mining I'd recommend LunaMine.
Fastest growing cloud mining site, fastest RoI.

www.lunamine.com/101 (http://www.lunamine.com/101)

Cex.io isn't profitable. PBmining is quite expensive. Most other CM sites are unestablished / sketchy.

Enjoy!

Bingo. We're talking about a high-risk/speculative investment (that IMO is quite risky considering difficulty trends), versus what amounts to a low level part time job. Totally different ballparks.

You can join PD campaign in your current status (member status), you get 0.0004 per post for a maximum of 400 ones per month. They don't pay the highest but they are one of the most established campaigns.

Check my signature, you can sign up for it, as member max you can get per month is 0.16BTC, as full member it's 0.24BTC and so on. You might find others with less requirements but you will not get paid that much for sure.

actually they are, UpDown isn't paying I think..

After gone for a month, now they're closing their sig campaign. Payment is done for some members now

so PrimeDice is the highest paying signature campaign?

I think they and 777coin are the only remaining pay per post campaigns

Hmm that's not quite true, because Lunamine and Fastbluff are offering the same rates per post as Primedice.

Fastbluff sig thread: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=684966.0
Lunamine: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=686826.0

yeah, but they're only accepintg a few users..

That would be useless currently joining one of them, then. PrimeDice is one of the most trustworthy ones, and those have a cap, and are 'fresh'.

Yeah, Fastbluff is really same to Primedice, so i don't think there's a good reason to choose them over PD. But Lunamine is paying weekly so that's attracting and a plus value for some users.

and they're paying 0.0003btc per post for members while PD is paying 0.0004, other rates are the same..

Not the highest. But the most number of participants and most stable one. They have over hundred participants and stunna have paid each of them without fail. I believe people would join a lower paying campaign which is reliable rather than one which pays high but doesn't have reputation.

i saw a lot new signature campaign open this week
but i'm happy with mine ;D it seems they are highest pay per post campaign until now, since updown and xbtec terminate their campaign
I hope we will see rate war like before in the future

Most campaigns requires you to be a Member and above to join their campaigns. Look around the Service section.

usually you have to be at least a member

Well it is a pretty good start, and you can earn a better rate in PD when you reach member. :)

Referrals can add up. And IMO, newbies should be happy considering a month ago, there were actually zero options for newbies and jr. members. So, we have some progress for you guys. :)

PD is not the highest paying campaign, they are actually one of the lower paying ones, but they are very reputable, which some people (myself included) would consider to be more valuable then a higher paying campaign. 

The stability Stunna's campaign have is incredible, they have managed to be paying everyone timely. Highest pay per post does not equal to stability, people would like to have one which would last for long than one which doesn't last but pays high. AFAIK, since those trusted and high paying campaigns are closed, Stunna wouldn't increase the price. Not sure about others.

I'mma be enrolled in PrimeDice once my current signature pays out, and since I'm a member, a long and trustworthy campaign is more attractive to me, since if a campaign closes I end up out of luck most of the time. Kind of a shame.

So I'll take long+low pay > short+high pay, since losing a campaign normally means I then have to compete against Sr, Full and Hero members to get spots in other places.

The PD sig campaign has been running for almost a year now (the thread started in last Sept), with almost zero complaint AFAIK. :)

Or more simply, you can check the thread https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=615953.0 which updates very frequently and provides detailed information of those sig campaigns. :)

This seems interesting.

If you are addicted to this site and get involved in discussions often then I would suggest doing it for a small income.

trust me you need to post a grip to get any btc around on this forum.

And thats if those posts are approved, which most dont go through since its counted as spam.

That's true most have to be constructive. which is very hard to meet the minimum amount for that month. It's only a little bit of Bitcoin but anything is better than nothing really.

If you actually write decently, you can get a decent amount of BTC off of it. I've been in a few signature campaigns myself, and I haven't had a moderate portion of my posts turned down because of poor writing.

Just make sure that you aren't writing one-liners, or anything else listed in the campaign, and you're pretty much set.

Now sometimes it will be counted as spam even if it's good, and you just have to grin and bear it. Don't complain, as most times that will get you a bad rep with the owner of the campaign. It's better to be on good terms.

Now that being said, it's rather challenging to actually get into a campaign, and I wouldn't exactly say it's challenging either. Just look around, chances are there is at least one place accepting.

Well really it doesn't really matter if it is a one line answer as long as its on topic and adds to discussion they don't normally have a problem unless you are repeating what someone said earlier in the thread.

When you put in your signature, the signature of a company (casinò ecc.), you rent your signature and not sell !

So, if you have to rent your signature, I may advice you to use Primedice, is the best !

PrimeDice is REPUTABLE, not necessarily the best.

Other campaigns offer larger payment plans as opposed to PrimeDice, but they also pay weekly and so it is technically better. I for one cannot specify which campaign is best, but I'm quite confident that PrimeDuce will be around for a long time.

Now, then again, if they close, there will be a flood of members looking for new campaign options, which can cause problems for plain members, since they don't have fancy signature allowances.

That being said, however, I'm sure there will be new businesses that will pop up and take advantage of this. I personally believe it's the high rates tht cause it to be tough for any other company to participate.

Eventually we'll see different companies.

One day.

Stunna has certainly been trustable for the longest time. If you value stability as number one then you gotta go with him. If you want a higher rate you can find it usually but there is always a little question mark as to whether you'll get paid. If you can get a weekly campaign that's best because the amount of time possibly wasted is at a minimum (see my current sig campaign).

Stunna is certainly the most reputable and primedice is general is a awesome site so you are advertising a real good site.

For Jr there is scratchticket, but payments are really low, I think less than 777coin, but no check on constructiveness of posts

Newbies rarely get paid.

It's better to be here longer but a little very small amount can be made going to the higher tiers
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=615953.0

yeah agree with this, PD campaign is known by it's reputation, they always paid
but not always timely, i saw delay 2-3 days in recent months ;D
yeah and now FXO terminate their campaign next week, so sad because i think FXO is the most professional + higher paid campaign till now :(
no more PD competitor, i'm sure everyone will choose PD campaign

Their price may be higher. But if they do run away after a week of signature campaign, your post for that week would be gone.  Over sites may offer higher payouts but they May not necessary be the safest and the best.

Are there any per post campaigns that pay weekly anymore, now that FX Open is ending theirs? I don't think so. I guess there is 777, but they pay quite low. Wouldn't make sense for Full or Senior members.

777 was late on payment once, not saying they are not trustable but they don't make a good impression for me.

I'm not too concerned about that. I can wait a day or two for a signature payment. 777 has been around for a long time, and has never shown any reason to be untrustworthy. Still, pretty low paying campaign. :)

It's not as simple as being said on the forum, to get into a decent signature campaign. I have been trying to get into something solid and stable for a while now.

I try to do good research, before I post something, and also to add value to the thread. It's no use chasing post count, to get banned for spamming. If you done enough research, commenting comes naturally.

When I started with this forum, I had lots of questions, and my average post count was much higher, but since then, it stabalized. And when I started, no signature campaign accepted newbies or Jr members.

So I figured gaining Member rank, would make acceptance into a signature campaign easier. It seems as though it's a combination of luck and timing and constant scanning of signature campaign threads, to

get into anything worth your time and keeping within the rules of the forum.

Good luck, it not easy at all.   

Yes you do get paid, it's not much but it's something, and I spend most of my time posting here anyway so might as well get some bitpeanuts :)
You can't spam with single words and shit tho.

BTW; is online time relevant to your rank, or only post count?

No, people can use scripts and pump their online time. Your rank is based on your activity which rises every two weeks. People may not be that active so that it cannot be relevant to their post counts.

I thought activity was based on your posts and time online?

No, activity limit is increased by 14 post per two active week. If you do not login or post in his forum for 13 days and be online and post 14 post on the 14th day, you will still get additional 14 activity, whether you are active or not.

Yes activity is limited for every two active weeks!
You can't get more than 14 activity per 2 weeks, not matter you spend a lot of time here and post hundreds....

Nope, you can find the exact formula in https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=237597.msg2513302#msg2513302

It is very small amount of BTC. So i think if anyone wants to be a professional trader in this market signature space is not a good option.

Not really small. If you can post like 100 posts per month, 0.0004 per post, as a member, you would be spending your time we'll, considering you have a decent job.

Especially considering that an important amount of members on this forum come from India, or other countries where the minimum wage is quite lower than what it is in North America and Europe. That gives them a very good salary.

For 0.0004 btc per post, 100 posts per month, bitcoin price at about 600, it will generate just 24 USD a month.
Is that considered a good salary in India?  ???

So is there an easy to know threshold of what's considered spam vs. constructive? Would this question/post be considered spam even though I'm asking a genuine question?

I'm a bit confused because your numbers indicate earning 14 activity per ONE week (but in your commentary you say it's a TWO week period). Which is it?

There is nothing set in stone. Most campaign managers reserve the right to make their own decisions regarding this, so when in doubt, do not pad your post count. Some are explicit; my campaign, for instance, urges members to make 3+ sentences per post to be considered constructive.

Each period is roughly 2 weeks long, or more precisely 1210000 seconds long (14 days 6 minutes 40 seconds). :)

I don't think they change exactly two weeks of you being active. They follow a schedule, I registered and got 14 activity and days later, after I post it increase to 28 activity. It isn't exactly two weeks but you have to be active during that period of last activity increase to the time of new activity increase.

It depends on the campaign. I think a lot of OPs from sig campaigns are pretty liberal about what is constructive. Generally speaking the post must contribute to the conversation in some way. Other campaigns have more restrictions as to what is considered "constructive"

So it takes 3 months to be a full member.

You should realy re-consider is it realy worth getting into this in the first place.
Since you need your member rank to upgrade, you need alot of time, and campaigns are paid in bitcoin, which is going down, and prolly will continue to go down in the following months, you could end up getting far less than you originaly thought ure gonna get.
Hope u make the right call, and earn, but i just dont see it happening through sig. campaigns.

But people come to forums for discussion even when there is zero financial incentives.
IMHO, we should consider the sig campaign payment some sort of bonus rather than a job. :)

A lot of people agree that it needs to be on topic and adding to discussion to be considered constructive I often have to reduce non constructive posts of mine from the total.

One way to know the campaign managers' requirements for "constructive posts", is to check the posts of those getting denied for sig payment. :)

For example, Stunna denied 6 persons' sig payments last month. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=291387.msg7916455#msg7916455

That's a good reference actually and I didn't see that when stunna posted it but in general my explanation is suited as those members who were denied did abuse and basically post 1 sentence and most of them were in giveaway threads.

I'll get my sig done soon, it dosent pay much but if your already posting then you might as well earn btc for it.

It isn't fully right, since you can easily earn 0.1 by posting only 50 post a month, you can get that much by spending a few minutes on this forum per day. Also, if you post a lot more, try pay per post campaigns as they pay more for each post. If you do not have a job, you can earn a small amount by just posting on this forum. I don't see this can be a bad choice.

It used to be like that, but now the caps for those pay-per-post campaigns are much lower than before.
For example, the cap for PD sig payment was 2.4 btc per month and it is now just 400 posts per month.
And IIRC, Stunna said the campaign will no longer be pay-per-post next period.

0.4 BTC per month for full members is still a lot for simply posting on a forum; no other online community does that. Besides, it's very hard to post more than 400 constructive posts per month, those who made more than that are likely to have included a considerable number of unconstructive posts.

Check out my sig.  I'd recommend them because they pay weekly and pay for some posts upfront.  I think that is the gold standard that all sig campaigns should shoot for.  Sure, Stunna has such a good rep he doesn't need to do that but for the newer ones, you can't beat lunamine.  (no spots currently but you can try every week).

I agree that if you are posting a lot anyway then you might as well get paid a little and help a Bitcoin business get a lot of traffic and people using their service.

Yeah, people were posting a lot before paid signatures became common.

You just need to post and get then you get paid. check this thread https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=615953.0

So you're counting your posts for Primedice? They don't do it for you?

I'm awaiting my first payment from 777 and still new to how the tracking of the post counts work. For example, I had 100 posts in the first week but wasn't clear on when the count rolls over again.

Yup, Stunna cannot possibly count 100++ participants worth of post within a few days. By the user counting it, Stunna can just quickly look through the post and count non constructive post and he can check if the report of constructive post is the same as the actual one.

Stunna (owner of PD) mentioned that participants should count the number of constructive posts and enter it, or Stunna will do it for you. :)

Old version of the PD campaign thread: https://bitcointa.lk/?topic=291387.0

He probably removed it, if not everyone would just submit their username for counting. Since the campaign have over 100++ participants, he can't count all of them. It is better to count the post as it lessen the burden for Stunna.

This isn't exactly true. There is now a campaign offered to Newbies, so you could join one from day 1. It's the 777 campaign. Search for it in Service Discussions, the "Overview on Signature Campaigns" thread.

Remember to keep your posts constructive. Nothing's worse than perverting this benefit by posting meaningless posts just to keep your numbers high. Let's make sure we respect the entire community by only posting valuable, constructive comments.

Cheers.

just to complement your post, a link to the overview of the signature campaigns thread:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=615953.0
There are at least three different campaigns atm, offering payments to newbies.

very nice topic!But how one puts a signature in his profile,I cannot put links :(

Link here https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=615953.0 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=615953.0), self explanatory. The higher a member you are, and the more you post, the more you get paid :)

MEPH

because you are newbie.

Your signature will allow links once you get jr status

Just a add on, some campaigns has a hard limit or flat rate such that once you hit the limit, you won't get paid for those post past the limits or make a certain amount of posts based on requirement and you will get paid.

This greatly depends on the requirements of the person who buys your space.

But it's usually member and up.

Confirming this, make sure you read the stats and limits on the link i posted, shows it all there on the right hand side

you need to boost your activity for that

Thanks for the link, any idea if that thread is up to date?

Mitchell regulary updates the thread, and many other users help him with info regarding changes in current campaigns and about the new ones available.
Its pretty much the best place u can gather info about current campaigns.

cheers

i'm curious with some elder / hero member that offered their siggy space to advertiser
is one of them get a contract from advertisers?
I mean some user who create a thread, and offered their siggy space. not join available signature campaign

They want some thing better like fixed rates for a months with some minimum posts and higher rates like this.

There are some great campaigns to join to make BTC and post where you love.

i found the signature space the best way to get some extra bitcoins each month , its way way better then facuts sites etc even if you have a new bie account

you need to be atlest a jr member to post a link in your signature as a newbie you can not have any link in your signature it take 30 days of activity to become jr member

yeah that's right. that's why they create a thread, waiting an offer from advertisers
because they are not satisfied with current rate of available campaign
minimum post and higher rates, everyone loves too :)

Then you can just buy an account.

buying account on https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=704370

You should look to each campaign rules. Here (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=615953.0), an overview of current campaign accepting members. Also, to check if they pay (or may pay) looks at campaign thread OP trust score & history. Also, you my wish to use signature campaign with escrowed funds.

Most signature campaigns don't offer a premium for Hero members, or don't offer thing that some people might want. So people open the topic trying to get better offers

you dont have to be higher than newbie , to benefit from signature campaigns , i'd reccomend buying a full member account or smth tho , since that will make you earn much faster.

Going from Newbie to more senior levels doesn't take too much time, just don't forget to post. Before you know it you'll be a Full Member and able to make some better rates.

yeah, that's why some hero members make an open thread to get better offers
but it is effective? i didn't see any user who has "custom" signature (personal offer signature)
hero's rate usually only increase 10-20% from sr.member although heroo  activity is twice than sr.

I strongly advise against a newbie buying an higher ranked account to partecipate in signature ads campaigns because the majority of newbies usually end being careless in posting with a signature ad resulting in a permaban before they realized their wrongdoings. A net loss of BTC for them.
IF a newbie still want to buy an higher ranked account to earn BTC from signature campaigns I suggest him to be fully knownledgable with the unofficial list of official forum rules (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=703657.0) as mantained by mprep (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=51173) before starting posting with a signature ad.

Just a guess, with more experience with Bitcoin as a whole or the forum, hero member would more likely be able to post more constructively than Sr members and contributing more to different threads. If the member is experienced, they would most likely look at his signature and perhaps go to the website.

The one I work with is nice.  I get .035 per week for 50+ posts.  Just keep reading the forums and look around int he ad campaign threads.

That's right. Just enjoy in this forum, still reading, learning and you can post something. Time goes by you will reach hero rank.


~iki

Do you really think there is that much difference in terms of experience and constructive posting between Sr. Member and Hero Member? I think both types of users are experienced enough to know the etiquette of the forum and both have reasonable experience in bitcoin/altcoins to add constructively to the discussion. Of course there will be always people who don't, no matter at which level of activity they are.
I believe that people who run signature campaigns share my opinion, as if we look at the reward difference between these two levels, it is about 20% vs. the requirement of nearly double the activity to be promoted from Sr. to Hero level.

Most of the campaigns I've seen offer higher pay rates for Hero members compared to Seniors or lower. However, it seems that Hero and Legendary accounts often have the same pay rates in signature campaigns, even though it takes much longer to reach Legendary rank than it does to become a Hero member.

That's true for most campaigns, that there's no real difference between Senior/Hero/Legendary on payout structure.

Only certain ones, like Bit-X for example, actually make it worthwhile with their pay per post payout scale:


Also, they add a 0.1BTC Bonus for finishing in the top 10 posters in a month, so they're rather generous.

It is just a guess :(. However, Sr member rank requires less posts and less activity to obtain. If one has more activity and post, it would signify that they have read a good amount of topics to be making good posts.(Of course account can be bought but let's take that out of this equation first.) Other than this, most people would trust a Hero member more than a Sr member. I believe more people would click on a link in a signature of a Hero member than sr member. Also, hero member's signature looks much smoother than a sr member's one.

Bit-X is the best one of signature camapaign right now
and the bonus is make this signature campaign different than any other signature campaign

That seems like a terrible way to make money, making the forum full of new people posting less constructive posts for the sake of money while disguised as advanced members ? :-X

OP is on Member level and there are no spots for Member on Bit-X

Yes, you're kind of promoting their service in return for a remuneration in BTC
i think with your activity(84) you can earn ~0.04 BTC a month and upwards, which will increase as you become a full member.

Many buy accounts and I am sure some people are professional posters and have many accounts. If you live in a poor country, you can make the average salary by posting on bitcointalk ;D

True at the moment, but OP isn't that far away now from Full Member status.

He's currently 84 activity, so in less than 3 activity jumps, he should meet Full Member requirements for Bit-X Sig campaign.

Or for the Primedice signature campaign if it is open by then.

yup, that's what i mean, only need 3 activity to become full member
and if OP have a patience, i suggest him to join bit-x signature campaign

3 jumps sounds small but that is alot of days
3rd activity jump will be on 1 april i think
a whole month

April 1? Or March 1? Isn't the activity rank-up set on a biweekly basis? 3 activity jump seems too important nowadays, as there are different signature campaigns out there that pay really good. Very relevant, as you say.

April 1
next activity jump is 3rd march , then more two after 28 days , which makes it 31st march or 1st april

I suggest that meanwhile, while waiting for the jumps, he could join member sig campaigns like secondstrade.

Exactly. The full list of signature campaigns is here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=615953.0
My suggestion is to choose the campaign where you can sign now, and then once your status allows, jump to a better paid one.

Well... Since second trade decreased payment I think that he could find a better choise.
It was great before but good times ends...

As stated here at https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=615953.0 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=615953.0), there are many better campaigns to be joined if he possess a Member level, including but not limited to; bitin.io, 777coin, cloudmining.website, etc...

Just saw the OP hasn't been online since 7 months and have negative feedback , why are we even discussing it anymore..
Someone just lock it please

The only person that can lock it is the op or a mod and I don't think mods lock topics here or rarely do. The op might not be interested anymore but the info is still valid for others, but if people stop posting in this thread it'll die eventually as most threads do at some point but if the topic is still relevant (which it is) people will probably keep chatting  ;D.

LOL okay sounds good enough to me
ANyways ! did anyone saw this ?
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=966666.0

Amazing campaign right

Most are not really getting compensated from signatures at this time.

Theres very little campaigns that are up, unless a new service is trying to get launched and even then its sketch unless they escrow the signature funds. Theres a link somewhere on a overview of all the current ones out.

And they limited on registration so that tells you something.