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Latest reports say 49 dead, military personnel. EU contractors, I don't know...
http://edition.cnn.com/2014/06/14/world/europe/ukraine-crisis/index.html?hpt=hp_t1

Three Russian tanks that Avakov claimed had crossed the border into Ukraine on Thursday, prompting a skirmish between Ukrainian and Russian forces, are now in the Donetsk region, Geraschenko [adviser to acting Ukrainian Interior Minister Arsen Avakov] said

Geraschenko urged the tank drivers to leave their vehicles, warning they would soon be "destroyed from the air."

It is not clear if it has been shot down or fell because of some technical fault. They say there were around 30 men on board... 8)

And who are those EU contractors actually? ::)

Latest reports say 49 dead, military personnel. EU contractors, I don't know...
http://edition.cnn.com/2014/06/14/world/europe/ukraine-crisis/index.html?hpt=hp_t1

"europe burn wood".

And who are those EU contractors actually? ::)

According to them in Urkaine there are 1 million contractors , cia agents , black water troops and a few elves all of them fighting a 80 yo grandmother with an ak.

Niothor, what are you smoking? Russian propaganda machine? My posts were rather critical of Russian authoritarian regime.
Unless you are talking about 247crypto, but make this clear please...

I quoted your questions when both you and deisik where asking about those "contractors".
Of course there weren't any.

Ok, we're cool... About contractors (mercenaries): I believe there is a limited number of CIA and Blackwater operatives in eastern Ukraine,
but definitely less than the number of Spetsnaz ones (which started the trouble).

Ps.
For your quote on the spetsnaz troops you'll be labelled as a fascist soon enough ;)

Embassy of Russian Federation in Kiev and Aborigines.

As I understand, an attack on embassy is virtually equal to declaring a war.

Are those Ukrainians that stupid

It's much worse than a declaration of war. Declaration of war is a formal act performed through signing of a document. Attack on embassy is de facto and de jure aggression against sovereign territory without a formal declaration of war.

Ok, we're cool... About contractors (mercenaries): I believe there is a limited number of CIA and Blackwater operatives in eastern Ukraine,
but definitely less than the number of Spetsnaz ones (which started the trouble).

Talking about 200 gunmen in aircraft.
http://times.mk.ua/News/5045/v-sbitom-nad-luganskom-samolete-dolzhny-byli-letet-200-soldat-i-oficerov-vsu-nardep

Still no official data. Who will believe in empty cargo?

The important thing is that no MANPADS / IGLA / STRELA was used to down this aircraft. Even the Ukrainians have admitted that the plane went down as a result of heavy machine gun fire. This is a direct consequence of the Ukrainian Armed Forces using inexperienced pilots to navigate their aircraft.

There is hard presence of Iodine Deficit in central and western part of country.

http://thyro.info/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/Bez-imeni-11.png

The important thing is that no MANPADS / IGLA / STRELA was used to down this aircraft. Even the Ukrainians have admitted that the plane went down as a result of heavy machine gun fire. This is a direct consequence of the Ukrainian Armed Forces using inexperienced pilots to navigate their aircraft.

Check regions, if You check a large country as Russian Federation.

That claim medics, not me. http://www.iccidd.org/

Has anyone heard anything about a Su-25 (Su-24?) taken down the same day? ::)

There were reports of 4 Su-25 fighter jets being shot down, in the past two weeks. Three of them near Slavyansk and the fourth one near Kramatorsk. But the rebels have given no evidence for the same.

With no facts , pictures of the wreckage I would call those "reports" rumors.

Also , I doubt that the Ukraine army had 4 su25 capable of actually flying :)

WOW. Call Euronews or CNN, and ask, where are famous war correspondents and LIVE transmissions from Slavyansk-Lugansk-Donetsk  ;D ;D ;D

And here comes proof for one more downed aircraft. Remember that the Kiev junta never mentioned this aircraft among its losses. It is a military transport aircraft, and a large number of soldiers were killed when it crashed.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UIeuv3mZRHg

Again , you are wrong:

http://www.kyivpost.com/content/ukraine/five-members-of-aircraft-crew-killed-in-sloviansk-on-june-6-service-death-toll-rises-to-66-351638.html

I think we can call kyiv post a newspaper held by the Ukrainian government , right?

Still same shit. Check Kiev fakes with google, is easy.
http://www.unian.net/politics/926684-v-shtabe-ato-utochnyayut-chto-6-iyunya-boeviki-sbili-an-30b-kotoryiy-sovershal-nablyudatelnyiy-polet.html

How Kiev lies:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lOS8x7RO_g0

Now, see about "humanitaran cargo AN-26"
http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Peace/2014/06/06/Pro-Russians-Shoot-Down-Humanitarian-Plane-in-Slaviansk-Ukraine

Even when the rebels shot down the Mil helicopter in Ukraine (16 soldiers killed), the Kiev junta claimed the same BS. But after the remains of heavy machine guns and chopper-fired rockets were found from the crash site, they went silent. The current crash site is located inside the government controlled territory in the airport. So we will never find out the truth.

deisik
Who arrive there for first? Who know exactly what they carry out?

And where is official list of victims?

http://www.kp.ru/daily/26241.7/3124558/

Дecaнтники, кoтopыe нe дecaнтники.

You had earlier posted that most of the dead people were mercenaries from the EU? Seems like all of them were Ukrainian citizens. Also, it looks like most of the dead were from the province of Zaporizhye.

You had earlier posted that most of the dead people were mercenaries from the EU? Seems like all of them were Ukrainian citizens. Also, it looks like most of the dead were from the province of Zaporizhye.

Seems like all of them were Ukrainian citizens.

You're taking burn wood 247crypto post seriously?

eщё paз o мнoгocтpaдaльнoм ил-76. cтянyтo c вoйны и миpa.
 Heмнoгo пoдpoбнocтeй o cбитoм пoд Лyгaнcкoм Ил-76:
 Пoд Лyгaнcкoм c oчeнь бoльшoй дoлeй вepoятнocти был yничтoжeн штaб pyкoвoдcтвa зaxвaтoм Лyгaнcкa, вo глaвe кoтopoгo нaxoдилcя выcoкoпocтaвлeнный чин cшп (HATO).
 Эти нaeмники - eгo oxpaнa, т.к. нa cнимкax c мecтa пaдeния в лeвoй pyкe oпoлчeнцa - пиcтoлeт-пyлeмeт инocтpaннoгo пpoизвoдcтвa (нe УЗИ) - в бoю штyкa бecпoлeзнaя, нyжнa тoлькo пpи бoe внyтpи пoмeщeния.
 Ha Лyгaнcк шлo 3 бopтa. 1 - пepeдoвaя гpyппa дopaзвeдки (cтoит ceйчac нa пoлoce aэpoпopтa c пpocтpeлeнными в вoздyxe движкaми), 2 - caм штaб c ближнeй oxpaнoй (cбит), 3 - вoзмoжнo кaкaя-тo cпeцypa, cпeцcвязь, и.т.д. Caмый бeзoпacный - 2, т.к. 1 - пoпaдaeт в зacaдy, 3 - мoгyт ycпeть пoдтянyть cpeдcтвa ПBO. Лyгaнcкий aэpoпopт - yкpeплeнный пyнкт, кoнтpoлиpyeмaя зoнa кoтopoгo иcключaeт пopaжeниe caдящиxcя и взлeтaющиx caмoлeтoв ПЗPК и ЗУ. Иcключитeльнo yдoбнoe мecтo для paзвepтывaния штaбa.
 Утpoм нa cлeдyющий дeнь нaчaлocь выдвижeниe кoлoнн co cтopoны Hoвoaйдapa нa Cчacтьe и дaльшe нa Лyгaнcк, co cтopoны H. Oльxoвoй нa Cтaницy Лyгaнcкyю и Лyгaнcк. HO кoлoнны были oтoзвaны и вepнyлиcь в бaзoвыe лaгepя. Дaжe видeo ecть кaк нa въeздe в Cчacтьe кoлoннa бpoни paзвopaчивaeтcя и вoзвpaщaeтcя. T.e. пpoшлo нecкoлькo чacoв, пoкa былo вoccтaнoвлeнo yпpaвлeниe вoйcкaми.
 Bтopoй мoмeнт. Пoчти cpaзy пocлe пaдeния бopтa из aэpoпopтa выдвинyлocь дoфигa бpoни к мecтy пaдeния. Пpи тaкoм зapeвe - cпacшиxcя быть нe мoглo, нo мoгли ocтaтьcя дoкaзaтeльcтвa пpиcyтcтвия лиц, пpи идeнтификaции кoтopыx вoзник бы гpaндиoзный мeждyнapoдный cкaндaл. Пocлe этoгo c aэpoдpoмa yшлo нecкoлькo eдиниц бpoни пoд лeгeндoй cтpeльбы мeждy 2 чacтями дecaнтypы. Ушлa cкopee вceгo пepeдoвaя гpyппa c ocтaнкaми, кoтopыe OБЯЗATEЛЬHO HAДO ДOCTABИTЬ в кyeв (или дaльшe).
 Tpeтьe и caмoe глaвнoe. Peaкция нa cбитый caмoлeт. Из-зa кaкиx-тo дecaнтникoв. 1. Mepкeль в шoкe. 2. Глaвa coвeтa Eвpoпы - мы пepecмoтpим cвoe oтнoшeниe к кoнфликтy. 3. Macштaбнaя пpoвoкaция y cтeн пocoльcтвa PФ в кyeвe. 4. Heoжидaнный paзгoвop ПOPOC... и ПУTИHA o "гaзe". 5. Oчeнь cдepжaннaя peaкция Кpeмля нa пocoльcтвo (явнo в кypce кoгo cнecли c нeбa пoд Лyгaнcкoм). 6. Кoгдa cбили нa Кapaчyнe вepтyшкy c yкpoгeнepaлoм - ничeгo пoдoбнoгo, кpoмe тpaypa.
 Taк ктo жe тaм пoгиб?
 =======================
 Кaкими нaгpaдaми был нaгpaждeн нa Poдинe? (вoзмoжнo зa Иpaк, Aфгaн - вeдь тoлькo тaм peшaлиcь aнaлoгичныe зaдaчи пo взятию кpyпныx гopoдoв, в тo чтo мoгли быть eвpeи или cиpийцы (тoжe yжe yмeют)нe вepю - oнo им и нa нe нaдo).
 Ктo пoгиб c yкpaинcкoй cтopoны (пoлкoвники, мoлoдыe гeнepaлы, cтaжиpoвaвщиecя в HATO, cшп пo нaпpaвлeниям paбoты CБУ, BBC, Haцики, cyxoпyтныe, вoзмoжнo apтиллepиcты - для мaнeвpa oгнeм вce-тaки нyжны cпeцы, вoзмoжнo MBД).
 Зaдaчa пo ocтaнoвкe нacтyплeния нa Лyгaнcк былa peшeнa MHB - минимaльным нeoбxoдимым вoздeйcтвиeм (A. Aзимoв, poмaн "Кoнeц вeчнocти") - yничтoжeниeм штaбa c oфицepaми cвязи пo poдaм вoйcк.

 O тoм жe caмoм лyгaнcкoм Ил-76 нecкoлькo cкpoмнee из дpyгoгo иcтoчникa
 Интepecнo, чтo былo или ктo был в cбитoм в Лyгaнcкe ИЛ-76? Зa ним cпeциaльнo oxoтилиcь.
 B paйoнe aэpoдpoмa oбнapyжeнa лёжкa зeнитчикoв, кyчa бaнoк из пoд кoнcepвoв и тpи иглы. (Toecть, выжидaли нyжный бopт нe мeнee cyтoк). Ha мecтe лёжки ocтaлocь двe oтcтpeлянныe иглы и oднa нe cpaбoтaвшaя - нe вышлa из тpyбы. Eё пpocтo бpocили.
 Bceгo дoлжнo былo пpилeтeть 3 ИЛ-76. Oдин cпoкoйнo ceл. Bтopoй пoдбили. Пpичём били нaвepнякa. Aж тpeмя иглaми. Чтoбы нe ocтaвит шaнcoв.
 Tpeтий бopт yлeтeл.
 Toecть, xoтeли cбить имeннo втopoй.
 Ecли бы cбили пepвый - двa дpyгиx бы yлeтeли. Ecли бы xoтeли cбить тpeтий, тo двa пepвыx бы ceли.
 Ho cбили втopoй.
 Haвepнякa cpaбoтaлa paзвeдкa. Или ЛHP, или poccийcкaя.
 Пoчeмy нyжeн был имeннo втopoй бopт, paзвeдкa мoлчит.
 Пpoтoyкpы тoжe.
 Ho визгy oт ниx и пoддepживaющиx иx интepнeт-pecypcoв мнoгo.
 Знaчит, зaвaлили тex, кoгo нaдo.
 Кoгo или чтo?
 Boт тoлькo нe нaдo мнe зaдвигaть пpo нecчacтнoe пpизывнoe xoxлoмяco!
 B ИЛ-76 вмeщaeтcя 150-200 пaccaжиpoв. Ha фoтo c мecтa кpyшeния вcякиx тaнкoв и пpoчeгo жeлeзa нe пpoглядывaeтcя.
 Бpoня нe гopит.
 Знaчит, былo oднo мяco.
 Oбъявлeнo o 49ти yбитыx. Ктo ocтaльныe 100-150?

http://lifenews.ru/news/135150

Hm...

• IL-76 was empty;
• South Ossetia recognized independence of Luhansk People's Republic.

Have you seen the photos from the crash site? How could it possibly be empty if there is clearly distinguishable debris of combat vehicles (trucks, armor-plating, ammunition)... 8)

I've seen that. But ukrainian "authorities" have announced, that there were no vehicles... And now Bolotov said that it was empty. So, somebody is definetely involved in trolling there. :D

Hm...

• IL-76 was empty;
• South Ossetia recognized independence of Luhansk People's Republic.

I don't think more than 6-7 people died in the IL-76 crash (all of them crew). The Ukrainian government is probably trying to include their combat losses in Kramatorsk and Slavyansk to this figure, and thereby inflating it to 49 dead. The family members of the Army were assured that they will not be send to direct combat. So the authorities can't say that they died during the fighting in Donetsk. Better to claim that they died while delivering the humanitarian supplies (i.e Humvees, machine guns and ammo).

Not changing the headline? Someone had already posted the list of the dead soldiers.

Your logic fails at an important point. This would only be possible if those people who presumably died in the crash couldn't communicate with their family members, which is hardly so. This could work for 2-3 men but not for half a hundred... 8)

In kiev military forces is normal practice to take away smart phones  and cell phones. All that armed people have no independent news about situation.
At check points kiev forces are asking people to call relatives with notice, that they are alive with written messages on paper.

If the list of the people that supposedly died in the crash is authentic and they had been actually killed somewhere else, the truth would inevitably leak out and rather soon at that, since they evidently have comrades-in-arms and they would be outraged by this lie... 8)

no one has even taken the responsibility

So , first we have 200 foreign mercenaries killed in that plane...
Now , there are no bodies there.

And both those scenarios come from the Russian press ;).

Now , how much can you still trust them after this?

And both those scenarios come from the Russian press ;).

What for event need reaction from here (http://www.segodnya.ua/world/litva-zhestko-osudila-terakt-v-luganske-528611.html)? Why first Airplan landed with no shooting, and second with 3 missile lunch?

Why someone will need talking too much about real thngs in that cargo?

mercenaries, lol?

I worked as one and believe me, it ain't cheep. A serious fighter can cost $10K/day. There is no money in Ukraine for mercenaries. Maybe a trainer or two, but a fighting force would cost wayyyyyy more than the conscript army that Ukraine can muster.   

I worked as one and believe me, it ain't cheep. A serious fighter can cost $10K/day.
 

So , where there soldiers in the plane or not?
Your opinion in short,  yes or no.

Ok, let's calculate it. In Ukraine there are at least a dozen (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Ukrainian_billionaires) dollar multi-billionaires. Now they decide to spend just one billion dollars for mercenaries (actually, this is a small price they may be willing to pay). So, let's take the highest payment, i.e. $10K/day. And it turns out that with just one billion dollars we can allow an army of 1000 "serious" fighters for over 3 months... 8)

Billionaires such as Poroshenko and Kolomoyskyi are not the main sponsors. They might have spent more than a billion USD, though. Remember the $ 5 billion spent by the Americans? The funding will come out of that contribution.  ;D

So there should be no question of the ability to pay for seasoned fighters by the Ukrainian oligarchs, but it still remains to be seen if anyone would actually agree to fight for this country as a mercenary (save for some tear-aways indeed)? ::)

Actually they need very few foreign mercenaries. Mostly to work as trainers and tacticians. Remember that Ukraine is one of the biggest suppliers of mercenaries around the world. Ukrainian mercenaries have fought in many of the recent battles, such as Syria and Libya. They just need to recruit some 100 or 200 trainers from Germany or England, and the remaining can be recruited from Ukraine itself.

This I agree with. But it still leaves off consideration the main question which Russians had to deal with at the time in Chechnya, i.e. what to do with highly hostile local population, and mercenaries (and even Ukrainians themselves that make up, for example, the Right Sector) which don't care a thing about civilians ("subhumans") could only aggravate the situation... 8)

Poroshenko has the solution for this (hostile local population):

http://www.kyivpost.com/content/ukraine/ukraines-land-agency-give-land-to-soldiers-in-the-east-for-free-352100.html

It is called population replacement. Already some 700,000 people (12% of the total population) has fled to Russia. Gradually, the remaining population will be replaced by the Western Ukrainians.

That's what the Soviets did in Eastern Prussia after WW2... 8)

Actually, where did you get this number? 700,000 refugees is a huge number. If it has anything to do with reality, I think you confuse it with something else (e.g. people moving to Russia for seasonal works) ::)

An estimated 675,000 Ukrainians left for Russia in January and February, fearing the “revolutionary chaos” brewing in Ukraine, Russia's Federal Border Guard Service said. Officials fear a growing humanitarian crisis.

http://rt.com/news/ukrainians-leave-russia-border-452/

he United Nations also named a much lower figure at the end of May. The United Nations Refugee Agency (UNHCR) in Geneva said a little over 10,000 Ukrainians had been displaced by the fighting

Here:

http://rt.com/news/ukrainians-leave-russia-border-452/

Ukrainians have long formed a large presence in Russia. According to the official 2010 census, 1.9 million Ukrainians were officially living in Russia, although the head of the Federal Migration Service put that figure as high as 3.5 million one year before. While those migrants were often prompted by economic concerns, political turmoil has spiked the recent rise in Ukrainians attempting to leave the country

If 700 000 fled in January February alone , I think that the number has reached 60 millions by now according to russia today ;)

Most of the 700,000 figure given by the Russia Today is undoubtedly that of the economic migrants. But at the same time, it would be wrong to say that there are less than 20,000 refugees. There are tens of thousands of people who haven't registered as refugees yet. A large portion of the Eastern Ukrainians (may be a majority of them) have their relatives in Russia. Such people have moved to their relatives' houses, but at the same time they haven't registered as refugees.